From george33030 at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 00:18:35 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Mon May  1 00:18:35 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000501041827.3136.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Albi,
As for your comments about Japan (a racist nation that
has had beliefs of "Japanese Superiority"), were you
sleeping during World History class? 
If you had been awake, you may have heard the lesson
about how the United States blasted the smithereens
out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they had
surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
Harbor, Hawaii. 
As a result, the Japanese nation was occupied by our
forces under General Douglas McArthur who, because of
him, helped Japan come out of her rubble. 
It was due to our American aid and leadership (for
more than 20 years) that Japan once again became not
only a great and powerful nation, but also, one of our
greatest allies. 
The same holds true for Germany.
Perhaps, after you people in the Balkans finally get
your act together and learn to respect each other and
get along as you should, the world will be a better
place for EVERYONE, and perhaps you may one day truly
enjoy peace and prosperity as you should.
The message from us, the American people is: Stop the
vengeance and counter vengeance, stop the ethnic
cleansing and ethnic prejudice against each other and
LEARN to mingle, live with each other as brothers and
work together to bring a PERMANENT PEACE among
yourselves and the rest of the world. 
What's it going to take to get you to understand
something as simple as that? You only serve to turn
the world against ALL of you (Albanian and Serbian
alike) if you keep on going with your outdated and
senseless philosophies.
Do we have to continue to occupy your lands to teach
you a lesson? Or can we return our forces back to our
KFOR countries with the trust and hope that you will
FINALLY get it right?
Remember, that we have the power and ability to carry
out our philosophy of world peace and the KLA or
Milosevic's death squads are no match against us. Do
we have to beat you all of you BALKAN people senseless
until you learn your lesson?
I suggest you quit while you're ahead! 
--George

--- Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
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> 
> 
> >mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic
> purity"
> >I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN
> >convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND
> >historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove
> it.
> >Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH!
> 
> 
> see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even
> better condoms; the
> japanese have a higher standard of living, have
> longer life-spans, and the
> list goes on and on; the japanese are probably the
> most homogenous nation
> there is; they did not need diversity to achieve all
> that; they do not need
> to get europeans, africans, latinos, in order to be
> a great nation;
> 
> quit the rambling about the advantages of diversity;
> there are no advantages
> unless you are one the so called "minorities"; if
> you are a "minority," then
> yes, diversity is very good for you, no question
> about it;
> 
> 
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Mon May  1 01:03:41 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Mon May  1 01:03:41 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <00ca01bfb33a$c2f6ea20$b7aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>Dear Albi,
>As for your comments about Japan (a racist nation that
>has had beliefs of "Japanese Superiority"), were you
>sleeping during World History class?
>If you had been awake, you may have heard the lesson
>about how the United States blasted the smithereens
>out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they had
>surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
>Harbor, Hawaii.


Dear minority member,

enough already with your arrogance. You are not Mr. Clinton, and you cannot
talk in the name of Americans. We respect your OWN opinions, but don't
overdo it.

Now, if you care to go back and reread my message, there was a specific
point I made, and that was that for a nation, diversity is not necessary to
advance and achieve prosperity. I mentioned Japan as an example. Japan is
the biggest creditor in the world (bigger than US), although extremely poor
in land, poor in natural resources and with half the population of the US.

Since you could not possibly counter my argument, you avoid it totally and
mention something which is unrelated. But anyway. . . Wasn't the US a white
nation at the time of World War 2? Didn't US herd the few asians it had into
concentration camps?

To close this message, you seem to be fairly well disinformed about the
whole albanian-serb issue. I can assure you, and the feeling among albanians
is that in the future there will be peace among serbs and albanians. But not
now, not yet, because albanians are still counting the dead. You have to
understand this and everybody else has to understand this. Since Americans
gave themselves the right to completely flatten Dresden and to drop atomic
bombs on Japan, they should be in a good position to understand what revenge
and hatred is.




From george33030 at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 01:17:52 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Mon May  1 01:17:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
Message-ID: <20000501051745.5727.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com>

+Dear Sylo,
Thank you for your support on maintaining the topic of
this discussion. After all, isn't it a fact that the
problems in the Balkans have historically been caused
by the ethnic hatred and strife that has gone on for
too long and has served to make the Balkan countries a
most undesireable place with which the rest of the
world might have any type of relationship?
And if we were to stop this discussion because it
makes certain individuals upset, that would be a form
of censorship which we fredom-loving Americans detest.
Thank you for raising the fact that we non-Albanian
speakers are contributing to this forum and that
perhaps we can ALL learn from each other.
I agree that by limiting the list to ONLY the Albanian
language-speaking participants would constitute an
arrogant atmosphere to this forum and therefore those
of us Americans and others from other countries would
not be able to freely share our ideas. 
Thus, we'd only be able to read and watch the
discussions and continue to silently stand by as the
dialogue continues in the Albanian language.
--George
--- Sylo Taraku <sylo at online.no> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si
> administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te
> nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po
> shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet
> nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e
> rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une. 
> 
> Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe
> njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e
> tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne
> rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare
> teme te diskutohet ketu. 
> 
> Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan kontribuar,
> me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe prevojave, qe ne
> nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj "This list is for
> Albanian language only" e konsideroj si arrogante
> dhe te pabaze.  
> 
> Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni
> qendrimin tuaj. 
>  
> Perzemersisht:
> Sylo
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l]
> Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
> 
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> > Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me
> dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip)  =)
> > 
> > Dardani
> > 
> >
>
___________________________________________________________________
> > For you that are writing in English, another list
> exists 
> > (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language.
> This list is for Albanian language only.
> > 
> > Dardan
> > Prishtina-l Listowner
> > 
> >
>
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> 
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From puka at usa.net  Mon May  1 01:25:58 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Mon May  1 01:25:58 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000501045701.6065.qmail@nwcst318.netaddress.usa.net>

>If you had been awake, you may have heard the lesson
>about how the United States blasted the smithereens
>out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they had
>surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
>Harbor, Hawaii. 

Let me say it again , the US was a racist country in 1940, 90% white and
practically homogenous since the 10% blacks were not asked anything, so there
was no "diversity" in 1940's USA. 


>It was due to our American aid and leadership (for
>more than 20 years) that Japan once again became not
>only a great and powerful nation, but also, one of our
>greatest allies. 

They became powerful nations because they were nationalistic and loved their
country to the point of making extreme sacrifices in order to build it into
the economic superpower that it is now. 

If it was a diverse country like the USA, their energy would not be
coordianted in such an efficient way, most of it would be lost in the battle
between the pissed-off minority and agitated majority.



>Perhaps, after you people in the Balkans finally get
>your act together and learn to respect each other and
>get along as you should, the world will be a better
>place for EVERYONE, and perhaps you may one day truly
>enjoy peace and prosperity as you should.

Yes one day it will, when we all have our own ethnic countries (with small
minorities), we will be tolerant of inter-balkan issues, since we wont be
afraid of a single group taking over. But the diversity and "all live together
in one country" thing wont work, since it was tried by the west by creating an
artificial country called yugoslavia twice this century.

>The message from us, the American people is: Stop the
>vengeance and counter vengeance, stop the ethnic
>cleansing and ethnic prejudice against each other and
>LEARN to mingle, live with each other as brothers and
>work together to bring a PERMANENT PEACE among
>yourselves and the rest of the world. 

Emmm, no.. We will probably work together, but we wont be brothers anytime
soon (couple of hundred years). Permanent peace will be attained when there
are no large scale minorities in each other's countries.



>Do we have to continue to occupy your lands to teach
>you a lesson? Or can we return our forces back to our
>KFOR countries with the trust and hope that you will
>FINALLY get it right?

NATO/US/EU came into Kosova because of geostrategic interests (fear of large
scale war in Europe, which would be a vital national security risk for the
US), I have no illusion that if Kosova was close to Mongolia, Afghanistan or
somewhere in sub-saharan Africa, no one would help us.


>Remember, that we have the power and ability to carry
>out our philosophy of world peace and the KLA or
>Milosevic's death squads are no match against us. Do
>we have to beat you all of you BALKAN people senseless
>until you learn your lesson?

Thats why we will always make sure our goals are in par with the US/EU so that
we become natural allies in a future conflict. But let me tell you that the
US's goal is not to shove a multi-racial idea down our throat, since they know
it would be absurd. 


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From juniku at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 02:17:55 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Mon May  1 02:17:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000501061741.4803.qmail@hotmail.com>

Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,

ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni relativisht drejt dhe, 
fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.

I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne anglisht) shkrova se 
diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne atmosferes se nje kopshti 
zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi jeni shume fyes kunder 
nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por edhe kunder popullit serb. 
Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka: une kam qene ushtar i 
UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga vrases te llojit te 
regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te shkoja te luftoja edhe per 
serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder popullit serb- ajo u be 
kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe u be per lirine e 
Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder serbeve, mirepo ai eshte 
revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s' mund te falin. Dhe prape 
ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo, arsyetimi kryesor per kete 
eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin pergjegjes kryesore jane 
administratoret nderkombetare.

Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe insistoni se jeni amerikan. 
Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip. 
Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te reagojne me te njejtin 
intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e tyre e pare. Une mendoj 
se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me bindni per te kunderten 
shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje me shume per disa 
keqkuptime tuajat.

Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar ka te drejte te 
censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di kontributin e tij per 
lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires shqiptare, prandaj cdo 
perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte qesharake. E permendni diku  
punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase s' ka censure materiale 
por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se pronesise. Provoni te dergoni 
dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose The Nation dhe do te 
shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura per disa gjera eshte edhe 
me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo percaktohet nga monopoli i 
pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.

Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne probleme shqiptare dhe 
rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide jo sepse nuk do te duhej 
te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe etniciteti por sepse 
Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe 
batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama asgje. Te jeni i bindur se 
Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke shkuar ne rruge te Zotit. 
Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe kjo dite do te zgjase me 
shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe jo sa me gjate do te 
diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose edhe Kosove.


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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Mon May  1 05:48:03 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Mon May  1 05:48:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
References: <20000430180200.7206.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002801bfb352$70ef89e0$65c428c3@pbncomputer>

so nice to hear from you George (!)
and especially your anti-American opinion aswell (!)

Kosova has not yet cured its wounds caused from a beast nation (Serbia) who
not only has apologised for what they have done, but still they are trying
and doing their best to spread around those wounds.
Remember Mitrovica and East Kosova (Medvexha...)

So you in this situation you would want me to shake their criminal hands.
Put America in position of Kosova and you`ll find yourself in Anti-American
positions unless you have some links with those beasts whose profession and
hoby is killing, raping and mugging their neighbours.

As for that "United We Stand, Divided We Fall"
that`s completely true, but in our case it`s not us Albanians with Serbs,
but

All Albanians from Kosova , Albania, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro.

We all should get together because
United we stand ani kind of invasions from our neighbours and from the
others
and Divided we fall

anyway our country has been split by our neighbours so...


----- Original Message -----
From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks


> Delia,
> I see I've got your attention and I've got you cooking
> like Chicken Gumbo! Did I hit a nerve because I've
> exposed your neanderthal-style of thinking that is
> currently being emitted from that fekal miniscule of
> matter that you dare to call a "brain"?
> What's the matter - did you fall asleep during
> American History class?? For your information, there
> have been many incidents of American non-Hispanic
> Whites, Afro-Americans, Hispanic, Asians, etc. who
> have committed similar atrocities against one another.
> HOWEVER because in spite of these facts and incidents
> we ALL firmly believe in our motto: E Pluribus Unum
> and also: United We Stand, Divided We Fall, we come
> together and kick the enemy's ass because (if you look
> around in Kosovo and other places where our mighty
> military forces are found) you will see that our
> forces are comprised of every American ethnic group
> which makes our most powerful nation the greatest in
> the world.
> --George
>
> --- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje
> > shtaze parahistorike se
> > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi
> > ketu me na nervozu
> > palidhje.
> >
> > >This
> > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the
> > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country
> > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These
> > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is
> > >strength. United, they can stand proud before the
> > rest
> > >of the world, but divided as they are, they both
> > will
> > >fall and ultimately be destroyed.
> >
> > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli
> > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta
> > krijuar kete "unity"
> > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane
> > masakruar familjet, jane
> > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan
> > dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken
> > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar Yugoslavia
> >
> > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren
> > pjese ne shkaterrimin e
> > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin  me na
> > thane idiota )
> >
> > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare shkite
> > kane bere ne familjet
> > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote
> >
> > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother
> > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs:  in
> > order to be created this
> > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, Albanian
> > families masackred, they
> > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was
> > split , and all the time
> > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia
> > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian knife
> > under their throats
> >
> > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs
> > criticising why Albanians
> > took part in destroying their prison, plus you dare
> > call us "idiots" because
> > we did that)
> >
> > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family what
> > that beast nation did
> > to our ones what would you do or say, you filthy...
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM
> > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
> >
> >
> > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe e
> > ka shkru kete masi qe e
> > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te
> > racizmit e gjenocidit po
> > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna?
> > kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe
> > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet poshteruese
> > "nigger e gorilla" po
> > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo
> > prej atyne ne Kosove.
> > >
> > > Dardani
> > >
> > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me
> > autorin, prape se prape po
> > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx <xxxx at yahoo.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
> > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
> > >
> > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND
> > Serbs
> > > continue with their savage and auto-destructive
> > racism
> > > against one another. This is a racism and hate
> > against
> > > each other that has gone on for more than a
> > thousand
> > > years.
> > > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women
> > and
> > > children who have to sustain the atrocities and
> > die
> > > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own
> > > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others
> > as
> > > scapegoats and victimize those around them.
> > > Shame on these fools who now want to expand their
> > > racism to a man and woman who simply love each
> > other
> > > and should be left alone to enjoy their own life.
> > So
> > > what if she is white and he is black. There is
> > more
> > > strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding
> > of
> > > the human races.
> > > This is why we here in the United States are
> > finally
> > > learning that the reason we are the mightiest and
> > > greatest country in the world, is because we are
> > > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people
> > and
> > > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and
> > > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But
> > I
> > > wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent
> > > enough to learn this valuable lesson.
> > > The longer you keep on destroying one another, the
> > > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH
> > of
> > > you equally, will take you over and rip what's
> > left of
> > > your meager lands into further oblivion.
> > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs
> > Syndrome"
> > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of
> > those
> > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as
> > though
> > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom.
> > This
> > > is evidenced by the way they've handled the
> > > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a
> > country
> > > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These
> > > idiots have never known that in unity, there is
> > > strength. United, they can stand proud before the
> > rest
> > > of the world, but divided as they are, they both
> > will
> > > fall and ultimately be destroyed.
> > > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of
> > "Ethnic
> > > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you
> > that
> > > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people
> > to
> > > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and
> > > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used
> > the
> > > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of
> > world
> > > domination.
> > > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that
> > > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans
> > would
> > > have NEVER made it without us!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Mon May  1 05:51:55 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Mon May  1 05:51:55 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
References: <200004301430.AA156237888@prishtina.com>
Message-ID: <005101bfb352$fca00960$65c428c3@pbncomputer>

a eshte sharje me e madhe ta quajsh nje popull te tere idiot apo t`ia shash
nenen atij qe e shajti tere nje komb Mr Dardan
----- Original Message -----
From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e
martume ne nigger.]]]]]


> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes (shkurt
e shqip)  =)
>
> Dardani
>
> ___________________________________________________________________
> For you that are writing in English, another list exists
> (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. This list is for Albanian
language only.
>
> Dardan
> Prishtina-l Listowner
>




From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Mon May  1 05:57:07 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Mon May  1 05:57:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
References: <200004301430.AA156237888@prishtina.com> <004c01bfb2f1$aa1aaa80$ce5c4382@sylo>
Message-ID: <005e01bfb353$b6068000$65c428c3@pbncomputer>

hej Dardan kqyr mundohu ta ruajsh vazhden dictatit
Tung
Rama
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylo Taraku <sylo at online.no>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 11:15 PM
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???


> Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si administrator i kesaj liste, po
therrisni te nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po shifet, ka
angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe
konstruktiv. Teme e rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une.
>
> Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe njerezit te kene mundesi
te shkembejne mendimet e tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne
rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare teme te diskutohet ketu.
>
> Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa
argumenteve dhe prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj "This
list is for Albanian language only" e konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze.
>
> Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni qendrimin tuaj.
>
> Perzemersisht:
> Sylo
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e
martume ne nigger.]]]]]
>
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes
(shkurt e shqip)  =)
> >
> > Dardani
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________________
> > For you that are writing in English, another list exists
> > (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. This list is for Albanian
language only.
> >
> > Dardan
> > Prishtina-l Listowner
> >
> > _____________________________________________________
> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> >
> >
>
>




From zabeli at gmx.de  Mon May  1 06:05:57 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Mon May  1 06:05:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] xhorxhit
References: <20000501061741.4803.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <18923.957175554@www10.gmx.net>

xhorxhooo,

shkruj vllau jem shqip, se spo tmarrum vesh, e mos na shit dushk per
gogla. shyqyr qi kta herifat e prishtina.com e kane bo extra ne liste per
anglishtefolesit, e ti plus asaj pe mershe vesh shqipen. 
pe dime qi ti je njoni prej antarve te deritashem te listes, edhe mos u
muno me na shite mene shume, se tyben je ti amerikan mse une. edhe na e dime
qi amerika ashte ma e forta ne bote; por mos u muno mu na e shite edhe si ma
tmiren, se na krejt i dime edhe anet e kqija te amerikes.


shyqa

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From bressta at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 06:24:11 2000
From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci)
Date: Mon May  1 06:24:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
References: <20000501051745.5727.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005101bfb357$6bf1d240$e24811d4@telekabel.at>

Pos muj me thane se, qysh kur asht nise me u dikutue kjo teme, kam nise me
flejte dathun. Deri tash nuk e dijsha mire cka asht puna e Demes edhe
Kadrise (nga kanga e mocme folklorike autoktone "Cka po i thot Dema
Kadrise") dhe a po ia bajne ata me t'vertete gajlen Italise sic thuhet ne
kange apo qysh asht puna. Tash e mora vesh qi ajo gajle i asht mendue ne
rend te pare gajleve autoktone dmth. lokale te provinces prej kah kane
origjine ata.

A di kush me na diftue cfare sanksionesh juridike kane japonezet per gjind
(gjegjesisht per gra), qi martohen me raca tjera, apo si funksionon
kontrolla sociale gjegjesisht kanuni Leko-Sanit ne Japoni?

bresta


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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Mon May  1 06:25:16 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Mon May  1 06:25:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
References: <20000501034855.21317.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008501bfb357$a4b03040$65c428c3@pbncomputer>

Does this mean that you are prepared to try and force victims live together
with their butchers?

In order that this American mission to have success  then the very first
thing you should do is imprison and punish all those Serbs  who have blood
on their hands

otherwise I am telling you
YOUR MISSION WILL BE A FAILURE!

otherwise  if this mission is to cure Kosova`s wounds (which were caused by
Serbs)
I wish you success

----- Original Message -----
From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???


>
>
> --- Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Zoti Taraku,
> >
> >
> > Ndrrimi i temes menova qi kish me qene menyra ma e
> > lehte me i nale te shamet e ofendimet. Mujme me
> > vazhdu me kete teme nuk ka problem po jom kah
> > frikohna se po vritet kush e masnej po ma lane fajin
> > mu  =).
> >
> > Dardani
> > Dear Dardan,
> You are right about the uncalled for cursing. It is
> not necessary for me or anyone else in this forum to
> use foul language to get a point across.
> I aplogize for temporarily having let go of my control
> over my emotions after watching quietly and seeing the
> dialogue about interracial marriages, racism, ehnic
> strife, and so forth.
> However, as an American, I, like millions of others
> such as I, stand SOLIDLY behind our world quest for
> ethnic, religious and cultural tolerance, coexistence,
> ethnic and racial diversity among ALL human beings
> existing on this planet, especially in our own United
> States of America.
> The ethnically-based wars in the Balkans MUST END. We
> Americans are prepared to go to war against ANY
> abusers and oppressors of those they deem "inferior".
> "Why do you think we (Americans and our KFOR Allies)
> first drove out the Serbians out of Kosovo, then
> turned against those Albanians who started their
> vengeful atrocities against the Serbs? This is because
> we WILL NOT permit this type of foolishness FROM
> ANYONE. All we are concerned about is peace AND
> stability in the Balkans, and if we have to teach ALL
> AGGRESSORS a lesson in order to achieve peace,
> progress AND STABILITY in the the Balkans, then WE
> WILL DO SO. --PERIOD!
> --George
>
>
>
>
> > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > From: "Sylo Taraku" <sylo at online.no>
> > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:15:34 +0200
> >
> > >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >        Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > >Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si
> > administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te
> > nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po
> > shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet
> > nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e
> > rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une.
> > >
> > >Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe
> > njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e
> > tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne
> > rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare
> > teme te diskutohet ketu.
> > >
> > >Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan
> > kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe
> > prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj
> > "This list is for Albanian language only" e
> > konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze.
> > >
> > >Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni
> > qendrimin tuaj.
> > >
> > >Perzemersisht:
> > >Sylo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > >To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > >Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30
> > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l]
> > Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
> > >
> > >
> > >>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >>         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >>
> > >> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me
> > dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip)  =)
> > >>
> > >> Dardani
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> ___________________________________________________________________
> > >> For you that are writing in English, another list
> > exists
> > >> (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language.
> > This list is for Albanian language only.
> > >>
> > >> Dardan
> > >> Prishtina-l Listowner
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> _____________________________________________________
> > >> Prishtina-L discussion forum:
> > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> > >>
> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 07:57:37 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon May  1 07:57:37 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume
 nenigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000501115727.21201.qmail@hotmail.com>

>What do you mean? Exactly how does my point not stand? Why is China even
>mentioned above?

For the same reason that Japan was. China is quite monoethnic too, but they 
are not doing as well as Japan ...

>From: "Albi Qeli" <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e 
>martume nenigger.]]]]]
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:42:14 -0700
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>
>
> >>see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; ...
> >
> >Yes, but see China, so your point does not stand. Try again.
>
>
>What do you mean? Exactly how does my point not stand? Why is China even
>mentioned above?
>
>I said that a nation does not have to import all the races of the world in
>order to do well. I mentioned a rich and most advanced monoethnic nation
>(Japan) as an example.
>
>I wrote in response to that biology freshman who stated -- rather naively 
>--
>that interracial mixing has improved the genetic stock of the USA (and
>that's why USA is the greatest nation of all).
>
>
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 08:10:26 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon May  1 08:10:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
Message-ID: <20000501121014.79670.qmail@hotmail.com>

Well, here you go, you have answered your questiones yourself. There is a 
difference on point of looking at the problem. While for you Americans ... 
human diversity is part of everyday's life, for us Albanians is not. 
Moreover, for us maintaining of existence means not intermixed marriages 
with other nations but solely 'choosing your own kind'. Albanians are not in 
hundreds of millions like Americans. And the only way to exist in 'rough 
Balkan countries' is breed your own kind. So you can call it 'racism', we 
call it 'survival'...


>From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>
>
>--- Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Zoti Taraku,
> >
> >
> > Ndrrimi i temes menova qi kish me qene menyra ma e
> > lehte me i nale te shamet e ofendimet. Mujme me
> > vazhdu me kete teme nuk ka problem po jom kah
> > frikohna se po vritet kush e masnej po ma lane fajin
> > mu  =).
> >
> > Dardani
> > Dear Dardan,
>You are right about the uncalled for cursing. It is
>not necessary for me or anyone else in this forum to
>use foul language to get a point across.
>I aplogize for temporarily having let go of my control
>over my emotions after watching quietly and seeing the
>dialogue about interracial marriages, racism, ehnic
>strife, and so forth.
>However, as an American, I, like millions of others
>such as I, stand SOLIDLY behind our world quest for
>ethnic, religious and cultural tolerance, coexistence,
>ethnic and racial diversity among ALL human beings
>existing on this planet, especially in our own United
>States of America.
>The ethnically-based wars in the Balkans MUST END. We
>Americans are prepared to go to war against ANY
>abusers and oppressors of those they deem "inferior".
>"Why do you think we (Americans and our KFOR Allies)
>first drove out the Serbians out of Kosovo, then
>turned against those Albanians who started their
>vengeful atrocities against the Serbs? This is because
>we WILL NOT permit this type of foolishness FROM
>ANYONE. All we are concerned about is peace AND
>stability in the Balkans, and if we have to teach ALL
>AGGRESSORS a lesson in order to achieve peace,
>progress AND STABILITY in the the Balkans, then WE
>WILL DO SO. --PERIOD!
>--George
>
>
>
>
> > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > From: "Sylo Taraku" <sylo at online.no>
> > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:15:34 +0200
> >
> > >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >        Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > >Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si
> > administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te
> > nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po
> > shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet
> > nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e
> > rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une.
> > >
> > >Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe
> > njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e
> > tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne
> > rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare
> > teme te diskutohet ketu.
> > >
> > >Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan
> > kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe
> > prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj
> > "This list is for Albanian language only" e
> > konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze.
> > >
> > >Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni
> > qendrimin tuaj.
> > >
> > >Perzemersisht:
> > >Sylo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > >To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > >Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30
> > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l]
> > Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
> > >
> > >
> > >>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >>         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >>
> > >> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me
> > dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip)  =)
> > >>
> > >> Dardani
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>___________________________________________________________________
> > >> For you that are writing in English, another list
> > exists
> > >> (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language.
> > This list is for Albanian language only.
> > >>
> > >> Dardan
> > >> Prishtina-l Listowner
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>_____________________________________________________
> > >> Prishtina-L discussion forum:
> > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> > >>
> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 08:27:19 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon May  1 08:27:19 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000501122708.96424.qmail@hotmail.com>

Valla Uke qitash ke fole si burrat, me ty jom dej n'skej...

Jone dy spjegime ktu:
1. Xhorxhi osht shiptar e po shitet franquz i Amerikes, e po bohet toshe dej 
n'skej. Kto s'e besoj, se shiptari me e mohu gjithcka t'veten s'e ka pase 
zakon kurre, e bile as Kanuni s'e lejon ni gja t'tille.
2. Xhorxhi o shka, e tue mos mujte me fitu me teorite e vjetra e bajate 
shkinore(si psh teoria e shishes martinoviqe, etj.), tash mshefet nen 
flamurin e forte amerikan e shet men sa i forte shteti e populli amerikan 
osht. Kjo osht ma afer mendjes se shkijet s'e kane fort problem me u bo 
kameleona kur e lype nevoja.

Pra Dardan, krejt lirisht munesh me ia fute qizme, nese don me diskutu 
anglisht ne t'del n'listen tjeter ose ne t'del ne listen e shkive...

Pershendtje krejt shiptarve ku jone e ku s'jone...
Burimi



>From: "Uk Lushi" <juniku at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:17:40 PDT
>
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>Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
>
>ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni relativisht drejt dhe,
>fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
>
>I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne anglisht) shkrova se
>diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne atmosferes se nje kopshti
>zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi jeni shume fyes kunder
>nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por edhe kunder popullit 
>serb.
>Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka: une kam qene ushtar i
>UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga vrases te llojit te
>regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te shkoja te luftoja edhe 
>per
>serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder popullit serb- ajo u be
>kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe u be per lirine e
>Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder serbeve, mirepo ai eshte
>revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s' mund te falin. Dhe prape
>ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo, arsyetimi kryesor per kete
>eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin pergjegjes kryesore jane
>administratoret nderkombetare.
>
>Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe insistoni se jeni amerikan.
>Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip.
>Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te reagojne me te njejtin
>intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e tyre e pare. Une mendoj
>se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me bindni per te 
>kunderten
>shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje me shume per disa
>keqkuptime tuajat.
>
>Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar ka te drejte te
>censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di kontributin e tij per
>lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires shqiptare, prandaj cdo
>perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte qesharake. E permendni diku
>punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase s' ka censure materiale
>por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se pronesise. Provoni te 
>dergoni
>dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose The Nation dhe do te
>shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura per disa gjera eshte 
>edhe
>me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo percaktohet nga monopoli i
>pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.
>
>Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne probleme shqiptare dhe
>rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide jo sepse nuk do te duhej
>te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe etniciteti por sepse
>Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe
>batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama asgje. Te jeni i bindur se
>Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke shkuar ne rruge te Zotit.
>Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe kjo dite do te zgjase 
>me
>shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe jo sa me gjate do te
>diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose edhe Kosove.
>
>
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From sylo at online.no  Mon May  1 09:50:25 2000
From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku)
Date: Mon May  1 09:50:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Perhajr 1 MAJI ! 
References: <20000501122708.96424.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101bfb374$2a8fab20$565c4382@sylo>

Me rastin e 1 majit, po ju percjelle kete vic mbi racista ;-) 


                   Joke for May 1, 2000

                     PUT UP YOUR DUKE
                 - written by Scott Magri
                ___________________________

David Duke, former leader of the white supremacist organization
the Ku Klux Klan, died and was met at the Pearly Gates by St. Peter.

"David," said St. Peter, "I've got some good news and I've got some
bad news.  Which news do you want first?"

David Duke replied, "Give me the bad news."

"The bad news is that God disagrees with your racist opinions.
Heaven is completely integrated; we have Jews, Catholics, blacks
and all different kinds of people living up here."

"Okay.  What's the good news?"

"The good news," St. Peter smiled, "is that you won't have to worry
about that where you're going."


------------

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Burim Hana <burimh at hotmail.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 1. mai 2000 14:27
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza


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> 
> Valla Uke qitash ke fole si burrat, me ty jom dej n'skej...
> 
> Jone dy spjegime ktu:
> 1. Xhorxhi osht shiptar e po shitet franquz i Amerikes, e po bohet toshe dej 
> n'skej. Kto s'e besoj, se shiptari me e mohu gjithcka t'veten s'e ka pase 
> zakon kurre, e bile as Kanuni s'e lejon ni gja t'tille.
> 2. Xhorxhi o shka, e tue mos mujte me fitu me teorite e vjetra e bajate 
> shkinore(si psh teoria e shishes martinoviqe, etj.), tash mshefet nen 
> flamurin e forte amerikan e shet men sa i forte shteti e populli amerikan 
> osht. Kjo osht ma afer mendjes se shkijet s'e kane fort problem me u bo 
> kameleona kur e lype nevoja.
> 
> Pra Dardan, krejt lirisht munesh me ia fute qizme, nese don me diskutu 
> anglisht ne t'del n'listen tjeter ose ne t'del ne listen e shkive...
> 
> Pershendtje krejt shiptarve ku jone e ku s'jone...
> Burimi
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Uk Lushi" <juniku at hotmail.com>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
> >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:17:40 PDT
> >
> >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
> >
> >ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni relativisht drejt dhe,
> >fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
> >
> >I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne anglisht) shkrova se
> >diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne atmosferes se nje kopshti
> >zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi jeni shume fyes kunder
> >nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por edhe kunder popullit 
> >serb.
> >Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka: une kam qene ushtar i
> >UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga vrases te llojit te
> >regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te shkoja te luftoja edhe 
> >per
> >serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder popullit serb- ajo u be
> >kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe u be per lirine e
> >Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder serbeve, mirepo ai eshte
> >revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s' mund te falin. Dhe prape
> >ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo, arsyetimi kryesor per kete
> >eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin pergjegjes kryesore jane
> >administratoret nderkombetare.
> >
> >Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe insistoni se jeni amerikan.
> >Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip.
> >Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te reagojne me te njejtin
> >intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e tyre e pare. Une mendoj
> >se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me bindni per te 
> >kunderten
> >shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje me shume per disa
> >keqkuptime tuajat.
> >
> >Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar ka te drejte te
> >censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di kontributin e tij per
> >lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires shqiptare, prandaj cdo
> >perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte qesharake. E permendni diku
> >punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase s' ka censure materiale
> >por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se pronesise. Provoni te 
> >dergoni
> >dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose The Nation dhe do te
> >shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura per disa gjera eshte 
> >edhe
> >me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo percaktohet nga monopoli i
> >pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.
> >
> >Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne probleme shqiptare dhe
> >rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide jo sepse nuk do te duhej
> >te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe etniciteti por sepse
> >Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe
> >batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama asgje. Te jeni i bindur se
> >Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke shkuar ne rruge te Zotit.
> >Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe kjo dite do te zgjase 
> >me
> >shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe jo sa me gjate do te
> >diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose edhe Kosove.
> >
> >
> >Uk Lushi
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From kshporta at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 12:03:11 2000
From: kshporta at hotmail.com (Kreshnik Shporta)
Date: Mon May  1 12:03:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon May  1 23:21:18 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon May  1 23:21:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] kofa
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005012316320.602-100000@alb-net.com>

qe nje tregim prej prishtine:

nje shok me tregoi se nje dite (rrishtas) ia kish nise me piku uji prej
tavanit ne banesen e tij ne prishtine.  

shkon tipi nje kat ma nalt, e cka me pa, kojshia "i ri" e kish pase hjek
tepihun, e e kish marre nje kofe te mushun me uje e e shpraz ne parket
per me e la mire e mire...

tungi,

etriti.




From puka at usa.net  Mon May  1 23:51:11 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Mon May  1 23:51:11 2000
Subject: [[Prishtina-l] kofa]
Message-ID: <20000502034723.18216.qmail@nwcst316.netaddress.usa.net>

hehehe,, kena mu knaq me fshataret, nejse duhet mu bo "urban" kosova her do
kur do, ma mire me ja fillu qitashti.


>qe nje tregim prej prishtine:

>nje shok me tregoi se nje dite (rrishtas) ia kish nise me piku uji prej
>tavanit ne banesen e tij ne prishtine.  

>shkon tipi nje kat ma nalt, e cka me pa, kojshia "i ri" e kish pase hjek
>tepihun, e e kish marre nje kofe te mushun me uje e e shpraz ne parket
>per me e la mire e mire...




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From xythshoqi at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 01:41:18 2000
From: xythshoqi at yahoo.com (Xyth Shoqi)
Date: Tue May  2 01:41:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza kushe eshte per nje futboll t'vogel 
Message-ID: <20000502054106.2660.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com>

Uk Lushi te pershedndes shume se me ka marr malli me
te pa edhe pse nuk jemi pa qe 3 4 dite ...une di me
than vetem nje sen nese ka nevoj ketu per me gjete
dikon e bejem sa ora edhe e gjejm ,,,e nese nuk e gjej
ta marroj prej lloqit e ta bi O Uk Lushi por edhe me
ja thy koken mujna na na dina gjithcka ...te du shume 

E ti Dardan Blaku kuje qe ke hup ,,kqyr bone nje ekip
te vogel ta qesin nje futbolle se u mbytete me kta
kopjutera ...siq duket i kemi harruar lojrat sportive
krejt .....

P.s Me falni por vetm me intereson a eshte dikush ketu
dashamire i sportit e dashamire i i i i paqes :) edhe
dashurise le t'na qkrun naj histori se u mbytem me
politka ....
me respekt Xythshoqi 




--- Uk Lushi <juniku at hotmail.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
> 
> ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni
> relativisht drejt dhe, 
> fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
> 
> I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne
> anglisht) shkrova se 
> diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne
> atmosferes se nje kopshti 
> zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi
> jeni shume fyes kunder 
> nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por
> edhe kunder popullit serb. 
> Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka:
> une kam qene ushtar i 
> UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga
> vrases te llojit te 
> regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te
> shkoja te luftoja edhe per 
> serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder
> popullit serb- ajo u be 
> kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe
> u be per lirine e 
> Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder
> serbeve, mirepo ai eshte 
> revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s'
> mund te falin. Dhe prape 
> ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo,
> arsyetimi kryesor per kete 
> eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin
> pergjegjes kryesore jane 
> administratoret nderkombetare.
> 
> Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe
> insistoni se jeni amerikan. 
> Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e
> mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip. 
> Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te
> reagojne me te njejtin 
> intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e
> tyre e pare. Une mendoj 
> se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me
> bindni per te kunderten 
> shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje
> me shume per disa 
> keqkuptime tuajat.
> 
> Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar
> ka te drejte te 
> censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di
> kontributin e tij per 
> lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires
> shqiptare, prandaj cdo 
> perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte
> qesharake. E permendni diku  
> punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase
> s' ka censure materiale 
> por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se
> pronesise. Provoni te dergoni 
> dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose
> The Nation dhe do te 
> shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura
> per disa gjera eshte edhe 
> me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo
> percaktohet nga monopoli i 
> pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.
> 
> Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne
> probleme shqiptare dhe 
> rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide
> jo sepse nuk do te duhej 
> te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe
> etniciteti por sepse 
> Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te
> rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe 
> batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama
> asgje. Te jeni i bindur se 
> Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke
> shkuar ne rruge te Zotit. 
> Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe
> kjo dite do te zgjase me 
> shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe
> jo sa me gjate do te 
> diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose
> edhe Kosove.
> 
> 
> Uk Lushi
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue May  2 04:16:39 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue May  2 04:16:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Gëzuar 1 Majin!
Message-ID: <20000502081627.37523.qmail@hotmail.com>

Nje Maji - festa e punetoreve (komunist).

Pse komunistet kan nevoje (kan pas nevoje) per festa kur ashtu se ashtu nuk 
punojn (nuk kan punu) kurre.

Me nderime,
Alberti


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From jeton at hotmail.com  Tue May  2 14:00:30 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Tue May  2 14:00:30 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne
 nigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000502180015.16456.qmail@hotmail.com>

dear george,

i think a nuanced approach to people's fears and prejudices is needed.
as others' letters have shown, G.S.'s rhetorical bomb-throwing is a  salient 
from which others can voice (in a more p.c. way) their similiar xenophobic 
and pseudo-xenophobic anxieties.
i think it's important to confront peoples' concerns, fears and hatreds *on 
their intellectual hometurf, if possible*.

for instance,

G.S.: it's silly to pretend your not racist when you can later admit that 
you can envision reproachment between Albanians and Serbs (and 
intermarriage) but not Albanians and those of the Negroid 'race' (taken from 
the FALSE 19th century doctrine that humanity was in fact *3 separate 
species*. Since no 3-position genetic switch has ever been found 
(caucasoid/mongoloid/negroid), and since no example of 'race'-based 
infertility have been found ('blacks' from Zimbabwe can mate successfully 
with 'whites', (also 'yellows' 'pinks', etc.)
what your left with is various collections of traits that get under peoples' 
skin. riddle me this, g-thang: you believe ethnic reconciliation and 
intermarriage is possible twixt serbs and albanians but not between one 
'race' and another. but when i look at classic 3-position 'racial 
determinations' of various ethnic groups, i find that hindi (Aryans) are 
brown skinned but """"CAUCASIAN""""!!!

so is it 'race', or skin color, that turns u off and on? are you racist 
because you think you have to be ("must...protect... Albanians...!") or 
because u just feel like it ("ewww!, brown!!")?

but back to george, i think your tempting a much larger socio-political 
discussion than this forum can accomodate. just look at all the blithe 
'analysis' of the reasons for the U.S.' (current) position as global 
superpower that have been spouted off here: because/ in-spite-of 'racial' 
integration, which btw, doesn't fully exist yet, which is why Ramis and 
other's analysis has seemed so comically racist (oops, 'conservative'!)

...while your take of America as the 'shining empire on a hill' are 
comically jingoistic. and your belief that America is lookin' to take on the 
"white man's burden" in the Balkans is NOT shared by most people, in the 
U.S. State dept., or anywhere else. ideas, and not posturing, can bring 
people out of ignorance

so, everyone, please less jingo, and more insight?

jeton


>Dear Albi,
>As for your comments about Japan (a racist nation that
>has had beliefs of "Japanese Superiority"), were you
>sleeping during World History class?
>If you had been awake, you may have heard the lesson
>about how the United States blasted the smithereens
>out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they had
>surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
>Harbor, Hawaii.
>As a result, the Japanese nation was occupied by our
>forces under General Douglas McArthur who, because of
>him, helped Japan come out of her rubble.
>It was due to our American aid and leadership (for
>more than 20 years) that Japan once again became not
>only a great and powerful nation, but also, one of our
>greatest allies.
>The same holds true for Germany.
>Perhaps, after you people in the Balkans finally get
>your act together and learn to respect each other and
>get along as you should, the world will be a better
>place for EVERYONE, and perhaps you may one day truly
>enjoy peace and prosperity as you should.
>The message from us, the American people is: Stop the
>vengeance and counter vengeance, stop the ethnic
>cleansing and ethnic prejudice against each other and
>LEARN to mingle, live with each other as brothers and
>work together to bring a PERMANENT PEACE among
>yourselves and the rest of the world.
>What's it going to take to get you to understand
>something as simple as that? You only serve to turn
>the world against ALL of you (Albanian and Serbian
>alike) if you keep on going with your outdated and
>senseless philosophies.
>Do we have to continue to occupy your lands to teach
>you a lesson? Or can we return our forces back to our
>KFOR countries with the trust and hope that you will
>FINALLY get it right?
>Remember, that we have the power and ability to carry
>out our philosophy of world peace and the KLA or
>Milosevic's death squads are no match against us. Do
>we have to beat you all of you BALKAN people senseless
>until you learn your lesson?
>I suggest you quit while you're ahead!
>--George
>
>--- Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >
> > >mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic
> > purity"
> > >I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN
> > >convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND
> > >historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove
> > it.
> > >Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH!
> >
> >
> > see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even
> > better condoms; the
> > japanese have a higher standard of living, have
> > longer life-spans, and the
> > list goes on and on; the japanese are probably the
> > most homogenous nation
> > there is; they did not need diversity to achieve all
> > that; they do not need
> > to get europeans, africans, latinos, in order to be
> > a great nation;
> >
> > quit the rambling about the advantages of diversity;
> > there are no advantages
> > unless you are one the so called "minorities"; if
> > you are a "minority," then
> > yes, diversity is very good for you, no question
> > about it;
> >
> >
> >
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From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Tue May  2 14:26:30 2000
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Tue May  2 14:26:30 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne
 nigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000502182558.82910.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jeton,
I apologize for being "comically racist". I had no intention of being funny, 
however I am pleased to learn that I posses that talent as well. As far as 
me being a racist, I have no idea as to where did my writing imply that 
because, first, I am not one and second my argument ,opposing 
inter-ethnic(racial)marriages in Kosova, was not based on race but on my 
opinion that the Albanian society in KOSOVA has not achieved the level of 
development that would benefit from inter-ethnic(racial) marriages.  I 
emphasized KOSOVA because this does not apply to the Albanian communities 
outside of Kosova.
And, Jeton, when one asks for insight, one must be willing to provide it, 
although I still don't understand what kind of insight would I be able to 
provide you with, since I have not been in Kosova in the last 8 years. 
That's why I call my writings opinions.

Sincerely,
Ramis Ahmetaj

>From: "jeton ademaj" <jeton at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e 
>martume ne nigger.]]]]]
>Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:00:15 EDT
>
>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>dear george,
>
>i think a nuanced approach to people's fears and prejudices is needed.
>as others' letters have shown, G.S.'s rhetorical bomb-throwing is a  
>salient
>from which others can voice (in a more p.c. way) their similiar xenophobic
>and pseudo-xenophobic anxieties.
>i think it's important to confront peoples' concerns, fears and hatreds *on
>their intellectual hometurf, if possible*.
>
>for instance,
>
>G.S.: it's silly to pretend your not racist when you can later admit that
>you can envision reproachment between Albanians and Serbs (and
>intermarriage) but not Albanians and those of the Negroid 'race' (taken 
>from
>the FALSE 19th century doctrine that humanity was in fact *3 separate
>species*. Since no 3-position genetic switch has ever been found
>(caucasoid/mongoloid/negroid), and since no example of 'race'-based
>infertility have been found ('blacks' from Zimbabwe can mate successfully
>with 'whites', (also 'yellows' 'pinks', etc.)
>what your left with is various collections of traits that get under 
>peoples'
>skin. riddle me this, g-thang: you believe ethnic reconciliation and
>intermarriage is possible twixt serbs and albanians but not between one
>'race' and another. but when i look at classic 3-position 'racial
>determinations' of various ethnic groups, i find that hindi (Aryans) are
>brown skinned but """"CAUCASIAN""""!!!
>
>so is it 'race', or skin color, that turns u off and on? are you racist
>because you think you have to be ("must...protect... Albanians...!") or
>because u just feel like it ("ewww!, brown!!")?
>
>but back to george, i think your tempting a much larger socio-political
>discussion than this forum can accomodate. just look at all the blithe
>'analysis' of the reasons for the U.S.' (current) position as global
>superpower that have been spouted off here: because/ in-spite-of 'racial'
>integration, which btw, doesn't fully exist yet, which is why Ramis and
>other's analysis has seemed so comically racist (oops, 'conservative'!)
>
>...while your take of America as the 'shining empire on a hill' are
>comically jingoistic. and your belief that America is lookin' to take on 
>the
>"white man's burden" in the Balkans is NOT shared by most people, in the
>U.S. State dept., or anywhere else. ideas, and not posturing, can bring
>people out of ignorance
>
>so, everyone, please less jingo, and more insight?
>
>jeton
>
>
>>Dear Albi,
>>As for your comments about Japan (a racist nation that
>>has had beliefs of "Japanese Superiority"), were you
>>sleeping during World History class?
>>If you had been awake, you may have heard the lesson
>>about how the United States blasted the smithereens
>>out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they had
>>surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
>>Harbor, Hawaii.
>>As a result, the Japanese nation was occupied by our
>>forces under General Douglas McArthur who, because of
>>him, helped Japan come out of her rubble.
>>It was due to our American aid and leadership (for
>>more than 20 years) that Japan once again became not
>>only a great and powerful nation, but also, one of our
>>greatest allies.
>>The same holds true for Germany.
>>Perhaps, after you people in the Balkans finally get
>>your act together and learn to respect each other and
>>get along as you should, the world will be a better
>>place for EVERYONE, and perhaps you may one day truly
>>enjoy peace and prosperity as you should.
>>The message from us, the American people is: Stop the
>>vengeance and counter vengeance, stop the ethnic
>>cleansing and ethnic prejudice against each other and
>>LEARN to mingle, live with each other as brothers and
>>work together to bring a PERMANENT PEACE among
>>yourselves and the rest of the world.
>>What's it going to take to get you to understand
>>something as simple as that? You only serve to turn
>>the world against ALL of you (Albanian and Serbian
>>alike) if you keep on going with your outdated and
>>senseless philosophies.
>>Do we have to continue to occupy your lands to teach
>>you a lesson? Or can we return our forces back to our
>>KFOR countries with the trust and hope that you will
>>FINALLY get it right?
>>Remember, that we have the power and ability to carry
>>out our philosophy of world peace and the KLA or
>>Milosevic's death squads are no match against us. Do
>>we have to beat you all of you BALKAN people senseless
>>until you learn your lesson?
>>I suggest you quit while you're ahead!
>>--George
>>
>>--- Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
>> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>> >         Archives:
>> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>> >
>> >
>> > >mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic
>> > purity"
>> > >I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN
>> > >convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND
>> > >historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove
>> > it.
>> > >Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH!
>> >
>> >
>> > see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even
>> > better condoms; the
>> > japanese have a higher standard of living, have
>> > longer life-spans, and the
>> > list goes on and on; the japanese are probably the
>> > most homogenous nation
>> > there is; they did not need diversity to achieve all
>> > that; they do not need
>> > to get europeans, africans, latinos, in order to be
>> > a great nation;
>> >
>> > quit the rambling about the advantages of diversity;
>> > there are no advantages
>> > unless you are one the so called "minorities"; if
>> > you are a "minority," then
>> > yes, diversity is very good for you, no question
>> > about it;
>> >
>> >
>> >
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Tue May  2 16:43:17 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Tue May  2 16:43:17 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume
 ne nigger.]]]]]
In-Reply-To: <20000502182558.82910.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005021512100.560082-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

> Jeton,
> I apologize for being "comically racist". I had no intention of being funny, 
> however I am pleased to learn that I posses that talent as well. As far as 
> me being a racist, I have no idea as to where did my writing imply that 
> because, first, I am not one and second my argument ,opposing 
> inter-ethnic(racial)marriages in Kosova, was not based on race but on my 
> opinion that the Albanian society in KOSOVA has not achieved the level of 
> development that would benefit from inter-ethnic(racial) marriages.  I 
> emphasized KOSOVA because this does not apply to the Albanian communities 
> outside of Kosova.
> And, Jeton, when one asks for insight, one must be willing to provide it, 
> although I still don't understand what kind of insight would I be able to 
> provide you with, since I have not been in Kosova in the last 8 years. 
> That's why I call my writings opinions.


Since Jeton does not know the difference between "your" and "you're", it
is very likely that he went to a really bad high school; this makes 
opinions coming from him highly suscpect of being less valued than the ink
he spent to write them :) 

Jeton,

Racial/color diversity per se has no value; it is completely unnecessary,
nothing good comes from it; after establishing this, it remains to be said
that purity of race has no intrinsic value either; Then why prefer one
over the other? I will pose another question, the answer to which answers
both: Why introduce diversity a-la americana when nothing good comes from
it, it is not necessary to do so, and it ends up creating problems?  

We should not try particularly hard to import people who look unlike
anybody else we have seen and then make them Albanians. We do not need
affirmative actions, admission quotas and the such; And there is nothing
wrong with the mother or the father who is happy when her/his child looks
alike her/him.

Then, since we do not have the problems that made Americans invent racial
diversity, we do not have to worry about solving them. 

_____

As far as that girl whose shortsightedness started all this discussion,
she never intended to stay and live in her homeland. (The probablility
that the previous assertion is true is 0.999) Albanians did not kick her,
she wanted to leave, and that's why she married a foreigner who was sooner
or later going to leave. 




From puka at usa.net  Tue May  2 17:15:51 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Tue May  2 17:15:51 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000502211549.18260.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net>

>G.S.: it's silly to pretend your not racist when you can later admit >that
you can envision reproachment between Albanians and Serbs (and 
>intermarriage)

I do not hate other races. I actually think the Asian race is smarter than the
white race. I have a Latin girlfriend (Although I will marry an Alb),
Indian/Chinese/Black friends at work and school, we all have fun and joke
around. But I want a country where I can return to and have my children grow
up in. I want to have an identity, race-mixing and ethnic-interrmarriage will
degrade it down. If that is considered racist, then yes I am.

I never said intermarriage between us and the Serbs, that would be insane. And
what do you exactly mean reproachment ? I consider it when most Serbs accept
the fact that they need to stop listening to Belgrade and start working with
the Albanians, then they can slowly start to stay and live in peace. I did not
say that then we can all screw each other and create a new nation.


> but not Albanians and those of the Negroid 'race' (taken from the FALSE
>19th century doctrine that humanity was in fact *3 separate species*. >Since
no 3-position genetic switch has ever been found 
>(caucasoid/mongoloid/negroid), and since no example of 'race'-based 
>infertility have been found ('blacks' from Zimbabwe can mate >successfully
with 'whites', (also 'yellows' 'pinks', etc.)
>what your left with is various collections of traits that get under >peoples'
skin. riddle me this, g-thang: you believe ethnic >reconciliation and
intermarriage is possible twixt serbs and albanians >but not between one
'race' and another. but when i look at classic 3->position 'racial
determinations' of various ethnic groups, i find that >hindi (Aryans) are
brown skinned but """"CAUCASIAN""""!!!


You can successfully make a hybrid between an apple and a pear(They grow it in
Spain),you can also mate a horse and a donkey, does that mean that they are
the same. What you are saying is that " that the apple and pear look and taste
the same, and to think otherwise is criminal"

Race is a population of peoples that share certain similar genes, it does not
mean a different species.

HERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE : The Albanians and Serbs hate each other, but
imagine if an Serb baby were to be taken to Albania and brought up as an
Albanian he would then become Albanian. The same thing if it were that an
Albanian baby was taken to Serbia.  Now what if a black baby was taken to the
US from Africa, would it be brought up as an American or African-American ? Or
if a black baby was taken to Kosova or China , etc ? Its physical aspects
would not allow it to assimilate, and I did not make it that way, nature did,
the only difference is that I see it and you dont want to.

Now two questions to you Ali G.,
 
1-which country is truly inter-racial where race does not matter ? Tell me of
a country that is having or has ever had a great multi-racial experience. And
I dont mean small minorities that have full-fledged rights. 

2-What makes you think that the Albanians who have had gypsies (which are 10
times closer to whites than Africans are) and Serbs (who are different in
culture/religion) for 1000 years and never intermarried with them are going to
jump into national/racial suicide with a potential African group ? Give me
some concrete steps on how you envision a multi-racial integrated new race of
"Albanians" ?



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From puka at usa.net  Tue May  2 17:18:44 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Tue May  2 17:18:44 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000502211841.26841.qmail@nwcst279.netaddress.usa.net>

>G.S.: it's silly to pretend your not racist when you can later admit >that
you can envision reproachment between Albanians and Serbs (and 
>intermarriage)

I do not hate other races. I actually think the Asian race is smarter than the
white race. I have a Latin girlfriend (Although I will marry an Alb), Indian/

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From puka at usa.net  Tue May  2 17:35:41 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Tue May  2 17:35:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Race-mixing "dream" !!
Message-ID: <20000502213539.19982.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net>

Who has given you this utterly false and dangerous idea that race-mixing is a
virtue, and that only advanced people can grasp it, since not agreeing to
race-mixing is primitive ? Primitive people 10,000 years ago were involved in
blind race-mixing. Why is it that Japan/Germany/USA does not accept
race-mixing ? Does that mean that Cuba is an advanced country ? and even Cuba
does not have blind race-mixing.  

>I am not one and second my argument ,opposing inter-ethnic(racial)>marriages
in Kosova, was not based on race but on my 
>opinion that the Albanian society in KOSOVA has not achieved the level >of
development that would benefit from inter-ethnic(racial) marriages.

The only benefit Kosova would have from race-mixing would be WAR, Bosnia had
ethnic-mixing which is a lot softer than race-mixing and it suffered for it,
the world did not know who was who, even the bosnians did not know. Kosova was
90% pure and it gave the world a stark choich. 

Imagine if Kosova had been full of "intellectual's" like the ones we have here
.Imagine if we would have been 40% Albanian 50% mixed marriage, and 10% Serb,
you know what the world would have done NOTHING and we would have died like
the Bosnians did. ITS THANKS TO OUR PARENTS AND OTHERS BEFORE US THAT WE
STAYED ALBANIAN AND MANAGED TO PROCREATE. 

I have nothing towards (and most Albanians do not) Albanians bringing in
foreign wifes and husbands to Kosova as long as they are caucasian, then their
kids will be Albanian. But this inter-racial thing in Kosova is absolutely
insane, its an extreme radical idea, made up by left-wing fanatic dreamers and
idealists, that will only take our nation towards oblivion.


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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Tue May  2 18:07:04 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Tue May  2 18:07:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_Re:_=5BALBANIAN=5D_G=EBzuar_1_Majin!?=
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me siguri per mi mashtru punetoret(ata qe komunistet i rjepin)

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> Nje Maji - festa e punetoreve (komunist).
>
> Pse komunistet kan nevoje (kan pas nevoje) per festa kur ashtu se ashtu
nuk
> punojn (nuk kan punu) kurre.
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> Me nderime,
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>
>
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From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 01:17:50 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 01:17:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503051717.15492.qmail@nwcst294.netaddress.usa.net>

>Then, since we do not have the problems that made Americans invent racial
>diversity, we do not have to worry about solving them. 

And the interesting thing is that there is no racial integration in the US or
even the UK (where Jeton is I beleive). In the US, Blacks and Whites, are
divided/different on every aspect such as movies, music, tv-sitcoms, language,
food, lifestyle etc. Their view on everything is totally different from each
other. Its all kept up with this fake facade by the liberal left.

The only inter-racial dating/marriage between white and black is usually a
black man with a white woman (95% of the time). The white women that
date/marry black men are usually either 300 pound obese women that no one
looks at, or its your usual Clubbing diehard's (the ones that you see in clubs
every night, and usually work as strip bar dancers during the day). I have
rarely seen a black man with a white girl who is not in these two categories,
and have only met one white man married to a black woman in the 5 years I have
lived in the US.


>As far as that girl whose shortsightedness started all this discussion,
>she never intended to stay and live in her homeland. (The probablility
>that the previous assertion is true is 0.999) Albanians did not kick her,
>she wanted to leave, and that's why she married a foreigner who was >sooner
or later going to leave. 

And the "intellectuals" portray it as an Endless love story from a book or
something "Well they loved each other and because of you primitive racist
Albanians they can not live together happily ever after". She is probably a
whore, and the guy is just another "brother" looking to score and impregnate a
white girl (so that he can look cool with his homies back in Compton). 

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From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 01:17:54 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 01:17:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
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>Then, since we do not have the problems that made Americans invent racial
>diversity, we do not have to worry about solving them. 

And the interesting thing is that there is no racial integration in the US or
even the UK (where Jeton is I beleive). In the US, Blacks and Whites, are
divided/different on every aspect such as movies, music, tv-sitcoms, language,
food, lif

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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 02:47:12 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 02:47:12 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
Message-ID: <20000503022912.9996.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Delia,
Sorry I have not responded earlier, but I've been out
of town and did not return to my PC till today. I'm
somewhat confused by your comment: "...your
anti-American opinion as well!" 
My good friend, let me inform you that my opinion IS
VERY AMERICAN and VERY PRO-AMERICAN AT THAT! My
opinion is not PRO-SERBIAN or PRO-ETHNIC ALBANIAN.
Have you forgotten the fact that our allied forces
NEVER went into Kosovo to liberate it and have it
become a part of Albania or an independent state? That
has never been our intention as it was implied by the
KLA.
All we want is peace and a stop to the genocide being
practiced by most ALL of you people in the Balkans.
If you say that "Kosova has yet to cure its wounds
caused by Serbia, etc., etc., then my question to you
is: WHEN will ANYONE in the Balkans stop using this as
a pretext to continue with the bloodshed of innocent
men, women and children from ALL of the Balkans.
>From our American point of veiw, EVERYONE in the
Balkans is guilty of these attrocities, of revenge and
counter revenge, etc.
The question here in the U.S. is: When will the
butchering of ALL Balkan innocents stop? When will ALL
sides stop dragging their chains of hate and ethnicism
(a form of racism) that have bound them all for more
than 1,000 years? 
The rest of the world IS SICK of it. We here in the
U.S. want for our soldiers to come home and not have
to risk their lives because two rabid dogs cannot stop
fighting each other. 
What will it take to get you Albanians and Serbians to
understand this simple question? Your hearts are so
full of hate for one another that you can't see
anything else but vengeance and counter-vengeance.
And, OK (for this discussion's sake), let's consider
your suggestion that we put my country in Kosova's
position, fair enough?
Consider the historical fact that two-thirds of Mexico
was taken over by the United States back in the
mid-1800s (Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah,
California, , parts of Kansas, parts of Oklahoma,
parts of Washington State, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona,
Wyoming and Montana). This constitutes more than two
thirds of what used to be part of Mexico. 
Present-day Mexico now only has but about one third of
its origininal territory.
However, the Mexican-American people who are either
born and raised in the United States, or have
immigrated into the U.S. and have become naturalized
U.S. citizens (though they are of Mexican ethnic
origin), consider themselves U.S. Americans. 
They have their alligiance TO THE UNITED STATES and
NOT to Mexico, though they share cultural ties to
Mexico. The Mexican-Americans (though persecuted in
the U.S. for a very long time) have never had ANY
intention of declaring the southwestern part of the
U.S. as a new and independent nation, or as a
re-joined part of "Occupied Mexico."
That is because we here in the U.S. believe that no
matter what has happened in the past, we are the
people of the United States of America and THAT
matters more than ethnic or racial divisionism.
The same holds true for African-Americans (whose
ancestors have suffered some of the worst cases of
racism, slavery and other attrocities committed by
whites against them) yet, they are proud to be
Americans, and like everyone else in our country, we
ALL recognize that in our great diversity we possess
the most powerful gift God can bestow upon a nation
such as ours: The brotherhood of Man.
Is that lesson too much to learn for Serbians and
Albanians, including everyone else in the former
Yugoslavia?
...By the way, though Mitrovica IS part of Kosova,
Medvexha and the Presheva Valley belong to Serbia.
This is the way these regions and borders are
recognized by our country as well as the international
community.
Don't forget that in Tirana, they listen to Serbian
music. Maybe the Albanians in Albania are far more
progressive than the Albanians in Kosova. Have you
ever wondered why the Albanians in Albania are not too
enthused about "Albanianism"?
Don't tell me that they are because we here in the
U.S. (thanks to CNN) are well aware of the terrible
way the Albanian refugees from Kosova were treated by
the Albanians in Albania.
--George    

--- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> so nice to hear from you George (!)
> and especially your anti-American opinion aswell (!)
> 
> Kosova has not yet cured its wounds caused from a
> beast nation (Serbia) who
> not only has apologised for what they have done, but
> still they are trying
> and doing their best to spread around those wounds.
> Remember Mitrovica and East Kosova (Medvexha...)
> 
> So you in this situation you would want me to shake
> their criminal hands.
> Put America in position of Kosova and you`ll find
> yourself in Anti-American
> positions unless you have some links with those
> beasts whose profession and
> hoby is killing, raping and mugging their
> neighbours.
> 
> As for that "United We Stand, Divided We Fall"
> that`s completely true, but in our case it`s not us
> Albanians with Serbs,
> but
> 
> All Albanians from Kosova , Albania, Macedonia,
> Serbia and Montenegro.
> 
> We all should get together because
> United we stand ani kind of invasions from our
> neighbours and from the
> others
> and Divided we fall
> 
> anyway our country has been split by our neighbours
> so...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 7:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
> 
> 
> > Delia,
> > I see I've got your attention and I've got you
> cooking
> > like Chicken Gumbo! Did I hit a nerve because I've
> > exposed your neanderthal-style of thinking that is
> > currently being emitted from that fekal miniscule
> of
> > matter that you dare to call a "brain"?
> > What's the matter - did you fall asleep during
> > American History class?? For your information,
> there
> > have been many incidents of American non-Hispanic
> > Whites, Afro-Americans, Hispanic, Asians, etc. who
> > have committed similar atrocities against one
> another.
> > HOWEVER because in spite of these facts and
> incidents
> > we ALL firmly believe in our motto: E Pluribus
> Unum
> > and also: United We Stand, Divided We Fall, we
> come
> > together and kick the enemy's ass because (if you
> look
> > around in Kosovo and other places where our mighty
> > military forces are found) you will see that our
> > forces are comprised of every American ethnic
> group
> > which makes our most powerful nation the greatest
> in
> > the world.
> > --George
> >
> > --- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka
> nje
> > > shtaze parahistorike se
> > > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi
> > > ketu me na nervozu
> > > palidhje.
> > >
> > > >This
> > > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the
> > > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a
> country
> > > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians.
> These
> > > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is
> > > >strength. United, they can stand proud before
> the
> > > rest
> > > >of the world, but divided as they are, they
> both
> > > will
> > > >fall and ultimately be destroyed.
> > >
> > > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli
> > > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per
> ta
> > > krijuar kete "unity"
> > > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane
> > > masakruar familjet, jane
> > > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar
> atedheuan
> > > dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken
> > > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar
> Yugoslavia
> > >
> > > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret
> moren
> > > pjese ne shkaterrimin e
> > > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin  me na
> > > thane idiota )
> > >
> > > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare
> shkite
> > > kane bere ne familjet
> > > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote
> > >
> > > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother
> > > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: 
> in
> > > order to be created this
> > > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses,
> Albanian
> > > families masackred, they
> > > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was
> > > split , and all the time
> > > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia
> > > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian
> knife
> > > under their throats
> > >
> > > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs
> > > criticising why Albanians
> > > took part in destroying their prison, plus you
> dare
> > > call us "idiots" because
> > > we did that)
> > >
> > > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family
> what
> > > that beast nation did
> > > to our ones what would you do or say, you
> filthy...
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM
> > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj
> qe e
> > > ka shkru kete masi qe e
> > > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te
> > > racizmit e gjenocidit po
> > > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder
> kujna?
> > > kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe
> > > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet
> poshteruese
> > > "nigger e gorilla" po
> > > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves,
> jo
> > > prej atyne ne Kosove.
> > > >
> > > > Dardani
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me
> > > autorin, prape se prape po
> > > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message
> > > ----------------------------------
> > > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx <xxxx at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
> > > >
> > > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND
> > > Serbs
> > > > continue with their savage and
> auto-destructive
> > > racism
> > > > against one another. This is a racism and hate
> > > against
> > > > each other that has gone on for more than a
> > > thousand
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 03:18:52 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 03:18:52 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503033359.11449.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
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> 
> 
> >Dear Albi,
> >As for your comments about Japan (a racist nation
> that
> >has had beliefs of "Japanese Superiority"), were
> you
> >sleeping during World History class?
> >If you had been awake, you may have heard the
> lesson
> >about how the United States blasted the smithereens
> >out of Nippon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki after they
> had
> >surprised us with their infamous attack at Pearl
> >Harbor, Hawaii.
> 
> 
> Dear Albi-Minority Member, (ethnic Albanians ARE a
minority in the Balkans AND in the former Yugoslavia),

Thank God I'm not Mr. Clinton! I'm a Republican and
our next president will be George W. Bush!
And YES I CAN talk in the name of most of our fellow
Americans because I constantly travel all over our
country, engage in many forums and discussions
pertaining to many local, national and international
topics and derive my information from sources far
greater and much more diverse than from your limited
veiwpoint obtained from one of the most underdeveloped
regions of Europe.
-By the way, at least I can vote for whoever is to
rule our great country, which is something you and the
rest of you Balkan/former Yugos have never been able
to accomplish!
And I can tell you without a doubt, that we Americans
are sick and tired of your incessant attrocities
against each other and all we really want is for ALL
of you (Serbian and Albanian Kosovars alike) to get
your act together so our soldiers can come home where
they belong. Your lousy excuse of "now is not the time
for peace in Kosova" holds no merit and we see it as
an excuse to continue with the vengeance and
counter-vengeance that has existed in your cursed part
of the world.
As far as for erroneous assumption that I "could not
possibly counter" your so-called argument... WRONG
AGAIN!! 
I haven't avoided it in the least bit whatsoever: 
Your uneducated comments pertaining to modern Japan (a
nation WE created and molded into the greatness of our
own nation), has one of the highest per capita suicide
rates in the world, as well as many other afflictions
too long to mention. Besides, Japan's population far
exceeds that of Kosova and therefore, Downs Syndrome,
hemophilia and other genetically-based infermities are
not as prevelant and the possibility of this occuring
due to interbreeding is far less greater than among
lesser populations such as yours.
The greater the diversity of the gene pools, the more
resistant these are to genetic deseases that might be
caused from interbreeding.
Let me remind you that in our country, we've mostly
ALWAYS have maintained a greatly diversed gene pool
due to the fact that within ALL of the multitude of
racial and ethnic groups in our country, there's
always been a great diversity even among our Native
Americans who were here long before anyone arrived to
our shores from Europe, Asia, Africa and other parts
of the world.
It is not until recently that the world has really
begun to recognize just how diverse our country has
really always been.
You are WRONG AGAIN: The United States was NOT "mostly
white" (as you put it) when it fought the second world
war. (Our military forces were comprised from most
ethnic groups originating from all three racial
groups) Though the ethnic groups mostly came from the
American White race, ethnic groups derived from the
Black American race, as well as ethnic grups
originating from the Asian American race also fought
against our enemies. 
However, during WW-II, racist and ignorant Americans
stupidly interned Japanese-Americans in concentration
camps, continued to discriminate against other Asians,
Jews, Mexican-Americans, Afro-Americans, Irish
Americans, some German-Americans, Italian-Americans,
etc.
Yet many of the children of these very same people who
were proud to be Americans (in spite of the
subjegation they suffered at the hands of some
ignorant fellow Americans) went to war to proudly
defend freedom and democracy and help liberate YOUR
neck of the woods.
Yet African-American soldiers fought against the
Japanese in the Pacific Theatre of the war as well as
in the European war theatre, while Japanese and
Chinese Americans also fought in Europe against the
Axis Powers.
Therefore, please brush up on American History and
Anthropology if you wish to hold an intelligent
discussion with me.
By the way, yes you ARE right: Japan's unprovoked
attack against us at Pearl Harbor DID give us the
right to flatten her at Hiroshima and Nagazaki, and
Germany's unprovoked attack against Poland,
Czeckoslovakia, Russia, England, France the
Netherlands, Norway, Finland, the Balkans, etc. etc.
gave us the right to flatten Dresden, Cologne, etc.
Just as we might consider taking the right to flatten
ALL of Serbia and Kosova if they don't stop their
attacks against each other.
--George   
> 
> enough already with your arrogance. You are not Mr.
> Clinton, and you cannot
> talk in the name of Americans. We respect your OWN
> opinions, but don't
> overdo it.
> 
> Now, if you care to go back and reread my message,
> there was a specific
> point I made, and that was that for a nation,
> diversity is not necessary to
> advance and achieve prosperity. I mentioned Japan as
> an example. Japan is
> the biggest creditor in the world (bigger than US),
> although extremely poor
> in land, poor in natural resources and with half the
> population of the US.
> 
> Since you could not possibly counter my argument,
> you avoid it totally and
> mention something which is unrelated. But anyway. .
> . Wasn't the US a white
> nation at the time of World War 2? Didn't US herd
> the few asians it had into
> concentration camps?
> 
> To close this message, you seem to be fairly well
> disinformed about the
> whole albanian-serb issue. I can assure you, and the
> feeling among albanians
> is that in the future there will be peace among
> serbs and albanians. But not
> now, not yet, because albanians are still counting
> the dead. You have to
> understand this and everybody else has to understand
> this. Since Americans
> gave themselves the right to completely flatten
> Dresden and to drop atomic
> bombs on Japan, they should be in a good position to
> understand what revenge
> and hatred is.
> 
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 03:58:24 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 03:58:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000503042715.21339.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Uk Lushi,
It is interesting that you who complains about
name-calling and cursing has the audacity to begin
this dialogue with me by resorting to name-calling.
(There's SOMETHING wrong with this picture!)
However, by ignoring your hypocracy, I'll try to
answer some of your questions and respond to your
comments as best I can.
1) Those people whom you say: "have lost everything"
ARE NOT the ones who are engaged in vengeance. These
people are the innocents who have suffered at the
hands of the Serbs. They know what its like to lose
everything to the invading Serbs, including their
loved ones. 
These innocent victims are not the type of people who
would do that to someone else. 
However, among the Albanian Kosovars there are those
who are immersed in greed and who want to take over
the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
These Albanian Kosovars are exploiting the grief and
and loss of the innocents to further THEIR own
interests and to acquire property in an unlawful
manner. 
Isn't this the typical communist style of acquiring
things? We saw it in Russia in 1917 after the
communist takeover and we saw it in Cuba after the
Castro takeover. Now we see it in Kosova.
You might argue that since the Serbian Kosovars fled
and left their homes unoccupied, Albanian Kosovar
refugees left homeless by the Serbian attrocities have
a right to occupy deserted homes not belonging to
them.
Howver, in a family of (let's say) five brothers (who
once lived together in the same home) there is no need
for them to occupy five separate apartments. Also, the
Serbian Kosovars who fled their homes in terror STILL
own those homes, just as the the Albanian Kosovars
STILL own and have a right to return to the homes they
were forced to abandon when Milosevic's death squads
forced them out at gunpoint.  
As we here in the U.S. see it, this stupid situation
has developed into a war over exploitation and coveted
property belonging to both Serbian and Albanian
Kosovars, instead of the so-called war of ethnic
cleansing. 
In northern Mitrovica, Serbians are taking over the
properties of Albanian families, while most evertwhere
else in Kosova, the ethnic Albanian Kosovars are
taking over the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
Where is the logic in this?
2)Why can't I write in Albanian? This is because I'm
not as fortunate as you who has demonstrated to me
your great capability in expressing yourself in my
native English language. 
At the moment, I can mostly read and understand much
(though not all) of your Albanian language. But (for
now) I can't do as well when I try to express myself
in Albanian. 
I hope to one day be able to write AND speak Albanian
(as well as other great languages) as well as you can
write and probably speak my English.
Therefore, in order for me to express myself as
effectively as I can, I can only do so in my own
language. 
I'm sure you can understand this since you yourself
explained to me why it is easier for those reading
these dialogues can only express themselves easier by
doing so in their native Albanian language.
It is past midnight and I've a long and busy day
tomorrow. 
I'll be happy to continue with this dialogue later and
will return as soon as I am able.
If you doubt the fact that I'm a
true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I say? I
don't know what it will take to prove it. 
Howver, I'm not going to waste my time trying to do
so. If you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you
will find out soon enough that I'm as American as
apple pie and indeed I'm a true Yankee-Doodle Dandee!
--George



  
--- Uk Lushi <juniku at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
> 
> ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni
> relativisht drejt dhe, 
> fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
> 
> I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne
> anglisht) shkrova se 
> diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne
> atmosferes se nje kopshti 
> zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi
> jeni shume fyes kunder 
> nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por
> edhe kunder popullit serb. 
> Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka:
> une kam qene ushtar i 
> UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga
> vrases te llojit te 
> regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te
> shkoja te luftoja edhe per 
> serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder
> popullit serb- ajo u be 
> kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe
> u be per lirine e 
> Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder
> serbeve, mirepo ai eshte 
> revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s'
> mund te falin. Dhe prape 
> ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo,
> arsyetimi kryesor per kete 
> eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin
> pergjegjes kryesore jane 
> administratoret nderkombetare.
> 
> Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe
> insistoni se jeni amerikan. 
> Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e
> mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip. 
> Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te
> reagojne me te njejtin 
> intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e
> tyre e pare. Une mendoj 
> se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me
> bindni per te kunderten 
> shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje
> me shume per disa 
> keqkuptime tuajat.
> 
> Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar
> ka te drejte te 
> censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di
> kontributin e tij per 
> lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires
> shqiptare, prandaj cdo 
> perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte
> qesharake. E permendni diku  
> punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase
> s' ka censure materiale 
> por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se
> pronesise. Provoni te dergoni 
> dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose
> The Nation dhe do te 
> shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura
> per disa gjera eshte edhe 
> me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo
> percaktohet nga monopoli i 
> pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.
> 
> Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne
> probleme shqiptare dhe 
> rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide
> jo sepse nuk do te duhej 
> te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe
> etniciteti por sepse 
> Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te
> rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe 
> batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama
> asgje. Te jeni i bindur se 
> Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke
> shkuar ne rruge te Zotit. 
> Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe
> kjo dite do te zgjase me 
> shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe
> jo sa me gjate do te 
> diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose
> edhe Kosove.
> 
> 
> Uk Lushi
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From jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 04:36:09 2000
From: jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com (Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis)
Date: Wed May  3 04:36:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance
References: <20000428180541.56913.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20000503083426.41527.qmail@hotmail.com>

Hi everybody.

I've been watching this discussion for the last few days and, in many ways,
it highlights why I have difficulties returning to Kosovo now.

Before the war (when I talk about the war, I mean pre-November 1997), I
worked in Kosovo for years. My main objective was documenting and reporting
on the situation, and trying to get the international community more
involved. They didn't do enough good until too late. When they finally did
intervene, I was quite disappointed with how many people reacted to the new
situation. I could understand violence against those with "dirty hands," but
I can't condone violence against children, extremely elderly, or others who
did not contribute to the situation. I'm also disappointed at the rise in
other crimes. Traffic in women, drugs, stolen goods . . . it doesn't reflect
well on those who want an honest, prosperous society, and normal lives, now
that they have the chance.

I won't accept anyone who says I don't understand the situation or culture.
I was more involved than a lot of Albanians. I was even planning to marry
one. During the bombings, there were never less than 11 Kosovars in my 72m2
apartment. Even so, there are some things I just don't understand.

On the point of racism, while the racism bothers me, the selective racism
bothers me even more. Technically, I am mixed race. But no one has ever been
racist against me. Why? Because I am Celt/Anglo-Saxon. Technically mixed
race, but solidly white and west European. That's acceptable. I have quite a
few friends in marriages and relationships with Albanians. For white
Americans and Europeans, it doesn't seem to be a problem. I even know an
Albanian woman married to a Polish man. No problem. But non-European or
American, and there is a problem. Especially for an Albanian woman.

How do you choose which ethnicities are acceptable, and which not? And why
is it more acceptable for a man to marry outside of his race and culture
than for a woman? The children will still have just as much Albanian blood.
I've heard most of the arguments, but I have trouble with them. Especially
when so many Albanian men that I know have no trouble sleeping with
international women (including Asians, Africans, and even Slavs), whom they
would never consider marrying, or having children with.

Next problem: rape babies. I can understand the disgrace felt by the
families. But don't forget the disgrace of the mothers. They didn't deserve
it. It was an act of war. I personally know of two fathers who abandoned
their wives when they found out she was pregnant with a rape baby. In both
cases, there was no other possibility for the presence of the child. But
what about the legitimate children of the victim and her husband? How do you
just turn your back on your wife and your own children? Why do punish the
woman for being one more victim of the same oppressors who have destroyed
your country for centuries?

To the discussion on the US: there is a small amount of true integration
between blacks and whites. The majority of this tends to be between higher
educated individuals, or the celebrities of pop-culture. For the most part,
however, there is no true integration. In many ways, integration is
discouraged. When you apply to university or for a job, it is always to your
advantage to mark "black" if you can. Many companies and most universities
have quota systems, encouraging them to have a certain percentage of
minority employees and students. The negative side of this is that some
underqualified students and employees get positions based solely on their
race. It builds a lot of racial tension.

I am not a big fan of inter-racial marriage. But I am not a racist. My
objections stem from my own experiences. (I have not lived in my home
country for many years.) From my own experience, it is extremely difficult
to have a long term, meaningful relationship with someone who speaks a
different mother tongue. I speak my second language almost as fluently as my
first. But you can never truly express your deepest feelings in any language
but your mother tongue. Cultural differences (within the US being excluded,
as most US cultures are fairly similar), are also a major problem.
Especially for the person living in the "other" culture. While your partner
might accept that you do not know about or wish to participate in certain
parts of the culture, the rest of the society is usually not so accepting.

Primitive people rarely engaged in race mixing. In fact, the vast majority
of is was the product of "rape and pillage." Race mixing could be a virtue,
but in many cases (especially traumatized societies) it's more of an
exercise in intolerance, leading to mental anguish for the couple and any
children they may have. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see a world in which
everyone could choose the person they wanted to be with, with no regard for
others or the views of society. But there are still major obstacles to
overcome before we get there. For the couple, the society, and the children.

Racial mixing does not degrade a culture unless it is allowed too. I know
many children of inter-racial marriages. (Including white/white inter-racial
marriages.) It is a responsibility for the parents. If the parents teach the
children about their cultures, and instill the value and importance of each,
then the culture is never degraded. It is when children are not taught that
they loose the culture. This is not only a problem of mixed marriages. From
the people I know, more of the Kosovo Albanians abroad who are married to
Kosovo Albanians have children who do not know about their language and
culture, than Kosovo Albanians abroad married to foreigners. You can lose
your culture within Kosovo, with no inter-marriage, if the culture is not
properly instilled in the children.

For all my talk about inter-racial marriage, I still see the value in
tolerance. I will always strive to be tolerant, regardless of race, sexual
orientation, or whatever else. One person can never change the thousands of
years that have made societies what they are. All we can do, as decent human
 beings, is not make life any more difficult for others than it already has
to be.

Jennifer




From f_qerimi at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 05:43:35 2000
From: f_qerimi at hotmail.com (Fidan Qeimi)
Date: Wed May  3 05:43:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000503094209.745.qmail@hotmail.com>

I'm sorry,but I don't wanna comunicate with you and your friends,so don't 
write to me.
P.S.I realy don't want to comunicate with you.

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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Wed May  3 07:09:17 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Wed May  3 07:09:17 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <002301bfb500$26d23100$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>


>true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I say? I
>don't know what it will take to prove it.


Try to learn some English for a beginning; the word "hypocracy" does not
even exist (I guess you were trying to write "hypocrisy" but did not know
how to)

Keep bragging about your americanism; For us uneducated Albanians it is
obvious that you know your English no better than your biology; You are the
worst kind of American one can meet: arrogant and ignorant;




From jashar.mehmeti at omik.org  Wed May  3 07:19:46 2000
From: jashar.mehmeti at omik.org (jashar mehmeti)
Date: Wed May  3 07:19:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
References: <002301bfb500$26d23100$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>
Message-ID: <39100A6E.58F1FB4E@omik.org>


Albi Qeli wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> >true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I say? I
> >don't know what it will take to prove it.
>

just as he said...

>
> Try to learn some English for a beginning; the word "hypocracy" does not
> even exist (I guess you were trying to write "hypocrisy" but did not know
> how to)
>
> Keep bragging about your americanism; For us uneducated Albanians it is
> obvious that you know your English no better than your biology; You are the
> worst kind of American one can meet: arrogant and ignorant;
>
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Wed May  3 07:24:21 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Wed May  3 07:24:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance
Message-ID: <002901bfb502$43a7dda0$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>And why is it more acceptable for a man to marry outside of his race
>and culture than for a woman? The children will still have just as
>much Albanian blood.

I didn't think this was the case at all; "It is better" when men marry with
Albanian girls as well; marriages with others are best avoided even
when you are a male;

Or maybe you are right, and for women it is less acceptable to marry
foreigners; an explanation would be that people care about the fate of the
children; (in the Balkans children belong to the father)

>Next problem: rape babies. I can understand the disgrace felt by the
>families. But don't forget the disgrace of the mothers. They didn't deserve
>it. It was an act of war. I personally know of two fathers who abandoned
>their wives when they found out she was pregnant with a rape baby. In both
>cases, there was no other possibility for the presence of the child. But
>what about the legitimate children of the victim and her husband? How do
you
>just turn your back on your wife and your own children? Why do punish the
>woman for being one more victim of the same oppressors who have destroyed
>your country for centuries?


I think that this is a real problem, but it is just too hard to talk about
it;




From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Wed May  3 08:07:10 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Wed May  3 08:07:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <005e01bfb508$3e08e780$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>However, during WW-II, racist and ignorant Americans
>stupidly interned Japanese-Americans in concentration
>camps, continued to discriminate against other Asians,
>Jews, Mexican-Americans, Afro-Americans, Irish
>Americans, some German-Americans, Italian-Americans,etc.

I don't suppose you are calling  F.D. Roosevelt "a stupid racist" and "an
ignorant fellow american," are you?

George, George, what are you doing?

Everybody, young and old, black and white or what have you, everybody knows
that the war was a white enterprise; blacks and 200 asians who participated
on the american side were used as cannon fodder; sad but true;

You have to admit that "diversity" -- as it is known in US -- is a recent
invention; It certainly did not exist during WW2;




From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 10:59:24 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 10:59:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503145922.11113.qmail@nwcst293.netaddress.usa.net>

George,

Who are you kidding man ? Most of us live in the US, you are talking to us as
though we are some kind of peasants in Mongolia who have only heard about the
US by word of mouth. We know how the racial integration facade is kept up by
the liberal left-wing like you. Why is it then you left-wing champions of
multi-culturalism are the first to leave one you neighbourhood and city starts
to become "darker" ? Somehow its a great contribution when the whole country
gets darker, but once your neighbourhood does, you are the first in "White
flight". Stop this BS.

And the second part is what are you trying to do know, saying that Albanians
in Albania do not like us and listen to Serbian music etc. Are you trying to
divide us up ? So you'r dream is a divided Albanian nation that is overwhelmed
by Africans and destroyed by breeding with our women. Whats this ? And no
American knows about the Tirana Serbian music, you are from the Balkans and
I'm pretty sure your an liberal Albanian brainwashed in this mulit-culturalism
stuff, trying to act like an American, thinking that we will get down on our
knees and obey you. Your pathetic man.





Thank God I'm not Mr. Clinton! I'm a Republican and
our next president will be George W. Bush!
And YES I CAN talk in the name of most of our fellow
Americans because I constantly travel all over our
country, engage in many forums and discussions
pertaining to many local, national and international
topics and derive my information from sources far
greater and much more diverse than from your limited
veiwpoint obtained from one of the most underdeveloped
regions of Europe.
-By the way, at least I can vote for whoever is to
rule our great c

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From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 11:06:59 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 11:06:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503150657.7890.qmail@www0h.netaddress.usa.net>

George,

Who are you kidding man ? Most of us live in the US, you are talking to us as
though we are some kind of peasants in Mongolia who have only heard about the
US by word of mouth. We know how the racial integration facade is kept up by
the liberal left-wing like you. Why is it then you left-wing champions of
multi-culturalism are the first to leave one you neighbourhood and city starts
to become "darker" ? Somehow its a great contribution when the whole country
gets darker, but once your neighbourhood does, you are the first in "White
flight". Stop this BS.

And the second part is what are you trying to do know, saying that Albanians
in Albania do not like us and listen to Serbian music etc. Are you trying to
divide us up ? So you'r dream is a divided Albanian nation that is overwhelmed
by Africans and destroyed by breeding with our women. Whats this ? And no
American knows about the Tirana Serbian music, you are from the Balkans and
I'm pretty sure your an liberal Albanian brainwashed in this mulit-culturalism
stuff, trying to act like an American, thinking that we will get down on our
knees and obey you. Your pathetic man.





Thank God I'm not Mr. Clinton! I'm a Republican and
our next president will be George W. Bush!
And YES I CAN talk in the name of most of our fellow
Americans because I constantly travel all over our
country, engage in many forums and discussions
pertaining to many local, national and international
topics and derive my information from sources far
greater and much more diverse than from your limited
veiwpoint obtained from one of the most underdeveloped
regions of Europe.
-By the way, at least I can vote for whoever is to
rule our great c

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From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk  Wed May  3 12:00:50 2000
From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi)
Date: Wed May  3 12:00:50 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume m
Message-ID: <200005031600.e43G0j928254@alb-net.com>

Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    27 Apr 00, 20:37
    To:      prishtina-l at alb-net.com
    Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume me MUSLIMAN te Nigeris.

Was read at 17:00, 3 May 100.




From b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk  Wed May  3 12:19:25 2000
From: b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk (Bujar Dibra)
Date: Wed May  3 12:19:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
References: <20000503022912.9996.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008101bfb55d$a9ef9520$989d883e@pc>

----- Original Message -----
From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 02 May 2000 19:29
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks


>my opinion IS
> VERY AMERICAN and VERY PRO-AMERICAN AT THAT! My
> opinion is not PRO-SERBIAN or PRO-ETHNIC ALBANIAN.

All I can say is that your opinion is politically correct.....(do you need
explanation what this means)....

> Have you forgotten the fact that our allied forces
> NEVER went into Kosovo to liberate it and have it
> become a part of Albania or an independent state? That
> has never been our intention as it was implied by the
> KLA.
> All we want is peace and a stop to the genocide being
> practiced by most ALL of you people in the Balkans.

Of course all the points you made are true....( you forgot to mention some
'little' points but never mind)...but every process has it's by-product, in
this case Independence.....and they (Nato & US) knew it.....( please don't
tell us they were stupid )......

> If you say that "Kosova has yet to cure its wounds
> caused by Serbia, etc., etc., then my question to you
> is: WHEN will ANYONE in the Balkans stop using this as
> a pretext to continue with the bloodshed of innocent
> men, women and children from ALL of the Balkans.
> From our American point of veiw, EVERYONE in the
> Balkans is guilty of these attrocities, of revenge and
> counter revenge, etc.

Absolutely true with one amendment, one cannot equalise the crimes made by a
state to that of some individuals, difference is shocking.....

> The question here in the U.S. is: When will the
> butchering of ALL Balkan innocents stop? When will ALL
> sides stop dragging their chains of hate and ethnicism
> (a form of racism) that have bound them all for more
> than 1,000 years?

We Albanians cannot answer this....only Serbs can. Why ?!
Who started this time and time again, certainly not Albanians, we were
always in receiving end...

> The rest of the world IS SICK of it.

Not more than we are....

>We here in the
> U.S. want for our soldiers to come home and not have
> to risk their lives because two rabid dogs cannot stop
> fighting each other.

No sir, one is a rabid dog the other one is always defending himself
( I believe that is called survival, correct me if I'm wrong)....

> What will it take to get you Albanians and Serbians to
> understand this simple question? Your hearts are so
> full of hate for one another that you can't see
> anything else but vengeance and counter-vengeance.
> And, OK (for this discussion's sake), let's consider
> your suggestion that we put my country in Kosova's
> position, fair enough?
> Consider the historical fact that two-thirds of Mexico
> was taken over by the United States back in the
> mid-1800s (Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah,
> California, , parts of Kansas, parts of Oklahoma,
> parts of Washington State, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona,
> Wyoming and Montana). This constitutes more than two
> thirds of what used to be part of Mexico.
> Present-day Mexico now only has but about one third of
> its origininal territory.
> However, the Mexican-American people who are either
> born and raised in the United States, or have
> immigrated into the U.S. and have become naturalized
> U.S. citizens (though they are of Mexican ethnic
> origin), consider themselves U.S. Americans.
> They have their alligiance TO THE UNITED STATES and
> NOT to Mexico, though they share cultural ties to
> Mexico. The Mexican-Americans (though persecuted in
> the U.S. for a very long time) have never had ANY
> intention of declaring the southwestern part of the
> U.S. as a new and independent nation, or as a
> re-joined part of "Occupied Mexico."
> That is because we here in the U.S. believe that no
> matter what has happened in the past, we are the
> people of the United States of America and THAT
> matters more than ethnic or racial divisionism.

Two-third of Mexico was not taken over by US, they were gift of Mexican
General, whose 'Mason ass' was more precious than Mexico (even though
Mexican Forces were three or more times stronger than US-Forces, correct me
if I'm wrong Mr Garza )....nevertheless you learned to live with it...and US
help in this direction is unquestionable...

As for the discussion sake, your version of putting Mexico instead of Kosovo
does not hold...
The proper version would have been, if US would have tried to deport all
ethnic-Mexicans over the border to Mexico (as Serbs did to us) than please
explain to us what your response would have been...

> The same holds true for African-Americans (whose
> ancestors have suffered some of the worst cases of
> racism, slavery and other atrocities committed by
> whites against them) yet, they are proud to be
> Americans,

Of course they are because no one is spitting on their ethnic,cultural or
religion background..

>and like everyone else in our country, we
> ALL recognize that in our great diversity we possess
> the most powerful gift God can bestow upon a nation
> such as ours: The brotherhood of Man.

hehehe...For one moment I thought I was reading Martin Luther King....

> Is that lesson too much to learn for Serbians and
> Albanians, including everyone else in the former
> Yugoslavia?

Not a lesson to learn, but some of Kosovars belived in that......how wrong
they were...

> Don't forget that in Tirana, they listen to Serbian
> music.

Trust me, we used to listen more than them....

> Maybe the Albanians in Albania are far more
> progressive than the Albanians in Kosova. Have you
> ever wondered why the Albanians in Albania are not too
> enthused about "Albanianism"?
> Don't tell me that they are because we here in the
> U.S. (thanks to CNN) are well aware of the terrible
> way the Albanian refugees from Kosova were treated by
> the Albanians in Albania.

Do I see a tendency of generalising things on basis of one or two cases ?!!
This is very unlike you Mr Garza......










From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 13:12:20 2000
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Wed May  3 13:12:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000503171212.36091.qmail@hotmail.com>

George,
I don't care who you are, what you are, where you are, and I didn't care to 
know how sadly ignorant you are, but I couldn't help notice it from your 
e-mails. You believe that you know so much about the Balkans, however you 
appear to know only what you saw on CNN. NOTHING MORE.
We are dealing with the Balkans here, not the U.S. For them your inclusion 
of Mexican-Americans in this discussion is nothing more than sheer 
stupidity. When you do that you put the United States in the same level with 
Serbia, and I know that is not true.  I hope you feel the same. From what 
you are saying, I can only see a picture of open-armed Mexicans grateful of 
Gringo's occupation, and that is not correct.  It took a long time for the 
Mexican-American relationships to reach the level that they are today, but 
you expect Albanian and Serbs to forget about everything that happened in a 
matter of months.  Kind of silly.
You can go on about the racial(ethnic, religious)equality in the US, but 
nobody will buy it. At least not us living in the US. We know about the 
projects, racial profiling, police brutality, Rodney King, Abner Louima, 
Amadou Diallo, Bob Jones University(G.W. Bush knows about it)etc. Do they 
ring a bell?
George, if you live in the United States, you must know that no wounds are 
healed fast.

Ramis Ahmetaj



>From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
>Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>Dear Uk Lushi,
>It is interesting that you who complains about
>name-calling and cursing has the audacity to begin
>this dialogue with me by resorting to name-calling.
>(There's SOMETHING wrong with this picture!)
>However, by ignoring your hypocracy, I'll try to
>answer some of your questions and respond to your
>comments as best I can.
>1) Those people whom you say: "have lost everything"
>ARE NOT the ones who are engaged in vengeance. These
>people are the innocents who have suffered at the
>hands of the Serbs. They know what its like to lose
>everything to the invading Serbs, including their
>loved ones.
>These innocent victims are not the type of people who
>would do that to someone else.
>However, among the Albanian Kosovars there are those
>who are immersed in greed and who want to take over
>the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
>These Albanian Kosovars are exploiting the grief and
>and loss of the innocents to further THEIR own
>interests and to acquire property in an unlawful
>manner.
>Isn't this the typical communist style of acquiring
>things? We saw it in Russia in 1917 after the
>communist takeover and we saw it in Cuba after the
>Castro takeover. Now we see it in Kosova.
>You might argue that since the Serbian Kosovars fled
>and left their homes unoccupied, Albanian Kosovar
>refugees left homeless by the Serbian attrocities have
>a right to occupy deserted homes not belonging to
>them.
>Howver, in a family of (let's say) five brothers (who
>once lived together in the same home) there is no need
>for them to occupy five separate apartments. Also, the
>Serbian Kosovars who fled their homes in terror STILL
>own those homes, just as the the Albanian Kosovars
>STILL own and have a right to return to the homes they
>were forced to abandon when Milosevic's death squads
>forced them out at gunpoint.
>As we here in the U.S. see it, this stupid situation
>has developed into a war over exploitation and coveted
>property belonging to both Serbian and Albanian
>Kosovars, instead of the so-called war of ethnic
>cleansing.
>In northern Mitrovica, Serbians are taking over the
>properties of Albanian families, while most evertwhere
>else in Kosova, the ethnic Albanian Kosovars are
>taking over the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
>Where is the logic in this?
>2)Why can't I write in Albanian? This is because I'm
>not as fortunate as you who has demonstrated to me
>your great capability in expressing yourself in my
>native English language.
>At the moment, I can mostly read and understand much
>(though not all) of your Albanian language. But (for
>now) I can't do as well when I try to express myself
>in Albanian.
>I hope to one day be able to write AND speak Albanian
>(as well as other great languages) as well as you can
>write and probably speak my English.
>Therefore, in order for me to express myself as
>effectively as I can, I can only do so in my own
>language.
>I'm sure you can understand this since you yourself
>explained to me why it is easier for those reading
>these dialogues can only express themselves easier by
>doing so in their native Albanian language.
>It is past midnight and I've a long and busy day
>tomorrow.
>I'll be happy to continue with this dialogue later and
>will return as soon as I am able.
>If you doubt the fact that I'm a
>true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I say? I
>don't know what it will take to prove it.
>Howver, I'm not going to waste my time trying to do
>so. If you are as intelligent as you claim to be, you
>will find out soon enough that I'm as American as
>apple pie and indeed I'm a true Yankee-Doodle Dandee!
>--George
>
>
>
>
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> > Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
> >
> > ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni
> > relativisht drejt dhe,
> > fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
> >
> > I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne
> > anglisht) shkrova se
> > diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne
> > atmosferes se nje kopshti
> > zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv. Separi
> > jeni shume fyes kunder
> > nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij por
> > edhe kunder popullit serb.
> > Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije dicka:
> > une kam qene ushtar i
> > UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise nga
> > vrases te llojit te
> > regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja te
> > shkoja te luftoja edhe per
> > serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be kunder
> > popullit serb- ajo u be
> > kunder vrasesve serbe nga regjimi i Milosevicit dhe
> > u be per lirine e
> > Kosoves. Nuk e them dot se s' ka krim kunder
> > serbeve, mirepo ai eshte
> > revansh nga njerez qe kane humbur gjithcka dhe s'
> > mund te falin. Dhe prape
> > ky nuk eshte arsyetimi kryesor pse ndodh kjo,
> > arsyetimi kryesor per kete
> > eshte mosfunksionimi i ligjit per te cilin
> > pergjegjes kryesore jane
> > administratoret nderkombetare.
> >
> > Eshte e cuditshme qe merrni vesh edhe shqip dhe
> > insistoni se jeni amerikan.
> > Nese e folni shqipen atehere kjo eshte e
> > mrekulleshme- shkruani ne shqip.
> > Fakti qe shkruani ne anglisht i pengon shumicen te
> > reagojne me te njejtin
> > intensitet si ju sepse anglishtja nuk eshte gjuha e
> > tyre e pare. Une mendoj
> > se identiteti juaj eshte i rrejshem. Nese doni te me
> > bindni per te kunderten
> > shkruamni ne adresen private dhe do t' ju iformoje
> > me shume per disa
> > keqkuptime tuajat.
> >
> > Dardan Blaku eshte moderatori i listes dhe si pronar
> > ka te drejte te
> > censuroje listen. E njoh edhe personalisht dhe ia di
> > kontributin e tij per
> > lirine e shprehjes edhe jashte kiberohapsires
> > shqiptare, prandaj cdo
> > perpjekje qe ai te paraqitet si censurues eshte
> > qesharake. E permendni diku
> > punen e censures ne SHBA. Bull shit. Ne SHBA mbase
> > s' ka censure materiale
> > por ajo misherohet si e tille permes fuqise se
> > pronesise. Provoni te dergoni
> > dicka te majte ose liberale ne New York Times ose
> > The Nation dhe do te
> > shihni si nuk do te botohet kurre. Ne SHBA censura
> > per disa gjera eshte edhe
> > me e keqe se ne vende te tjera te botes. Ajo
> > percaktohet nga monopoli i
> > pronesise dhe fuqise monetare. Ju e dini kete.
> >
> > Listat shqiptare ne pergjithesi jane te fokusuara ne
> > probleme shqiptare dhe
> > rreth shqiptareve. Thirrja e Dardanit eshte valide
> > jo sepse nuk do te duhej
> > te diskutohej rreth temave si racizmi, urrejtja dhe
> > etniciteti por sepse
> > Kosoves i mungojne disa gjera tjera me te
> > rendesishme sesa teoretizimet dhe
> > batutat akademike qe nuk mund te nderrojne ama
> > asgje. Te jeni i bindur se
> > Kosova dhe populli shqiptar ne Ballkan jane duke
> > shkuar ne rruge te Zotit.
> > Ballkani do te jete gadishull i paqes nje dite, dhe
> > kjo dite do te zgjase me
> > shume sa me shume te rrije Milosevici ne pushtet dhe
> > jo sa me gjate do te
> > diskutohet ne kete liste per racizmin ne SHBA ose
> > edhe Kosove.
> >
> >
> > Uk Lushi
> >
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From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk  Wed May  3 13:23:35 2000
From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi)
Date: Wed May  3 13:23:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] leter
Message-ID: <200005031723.e43HNT929281@alb-net.com>

MIDITA OSE MIRMBREMA


     KJO ESHT HERA E PAR QE SHKRUAJ NE KET FORUM E SI 
DUKET EDHE HERA E MBRAM.PO BARKU JA NISI ME MDHIMT 
KUR I LEXOVA DISA LETRA TE SHKRUJTUR NGA DISA 
SHQIPFOLS .PER TE CILIT PERZIRJA E GJAKUT TON(E RACES 
SON)ME ATO TE TJERVE E SHOHIN SI PERPARIM,SI 
INTEGRIM NE BOTEN E CIVILIZUAR.PER MUA KETA PERSONA 
SE PARI NUK KAN RESPEKT NDAJ VETVETES E LERE MA 
NDAJ POPULLIT SHQIPTAR,JU MUNGON VETDIJA KOMBTARE 
DHE TE VETMEN RRUGDALJE E SHOHIN NE KRIJIMIN E 
NJEFAR  HIBRID POPULLI OSE VET JAN HIBRID,E KETU NA 
PARAQITEN SI LIBERAL .SA I PERKET ARGUMENTIT SE KETO 
GJANA NDODHIN EDHE NE GJERMANI OSE UK,KY 
ARGUMENT SKA KURRFAR BAZE.SE PARI KETO NACIONE 
PER NGA NUMERI JAN SHUM ME TE MDHEJ SE NE DHE 
RREZIKU I HUMBJES SE INDITITETIT KOMBTAR ESHTE SHUM 
ME I VOGEL SE TE NE .SE DYTI  SHUMICA E ATYRE 
FEMRAVE NE KETO VENDE QE I MARTOJN TE HUAJT JAN 
VET NGA FAMILJET TE PERZIRA OSE JAN A-SOCIJAL(MARRIN 
DROG OSE PIJN ALKOHOL OSE MARTOHEN PER PARA)
 
 QIKAQ PREJ MEJE RROFT POPULLI SHQIPTAR DHE 
PASTERTIJA ETNIKE POSHT LIBERALET DHE HIBRIDET




From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 13:26:07 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 13:26:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance
Message-ID: <20000503150654.19684.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Jennifer,
I can never thank you enough for what you've written.
I could not have expressed it better myself. Let's
hope the people in the Balkans read this and learn
from it.
Perhaps one day they can truly join the rest of the
world and quit finding excuses to prey upon each other
and contributing to the destruction of innocent men,
women and children.
Keep on writing! Everyone needs to hear more of this.
--George 

--- Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis <jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com>
wrote:
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> Hi everybody.
> 
> I've been watching this discussion for the last few
> days and, in many ways,
> it highlights why I have difficulties returning to
> Kosovo now.
> 
> Before the war (when I talk about the war, I mean
> pre-November 1997), I
> worked in Kosovo for years. My main objective was
> documenting and reporting
> on the situation, and trying to get the
> international community more
> involved. They didn't do enough good until too late.
> When they finally did
> intervene, I was quite disappointed with how many
> people reacted to the new
> situation. I could understand violence against those
> with "dirty hands," but
> I can't condone violence against children, extremely
> elderly, or others who
> did not contribute to the situation. I'm also
> disappointed at the rise in
> other crimes. Traffic in women, drugs, stolen goods
> . . . it doesn't reflect
> well on those who want an honest, prosperous
> society, and normal lives, now
> that they have the chance.
> 
> I won't accept anyone who says I don't understand
> the situation or culture.
> I was more involved than a lot of Albanians. I was
> even planning to marry
> one. During the bombings, there were never less than
> 11 Kosovars in my 72m2
> apartment. Even so, there are some things I just
> don't understand.
> 
> On the point of racism, while the racism bothers me,
> the selective racism
> bothers me even more. Technically, I am mixed race.
> But no one has ever been
> racist against me. Why? Because I am
> Celt/Anglo-Saxon. Technically mixed
> race, but solidly white and west European. That's
> acceptable. I have quite a
> few friends in marriages and relationships with
> Albanians. For white
> Americans and Europeans, it doesn't seem to be a
> problem. I even know an
> Albanian woman married to a Polish man. No problem.
> But non-European or
> American, and there is a problem. Especially for an
> Albanian woman.
> 
> How do you choose which ethnicities are acceptable,
> and which not? And why
> is it more acceptable for a man to marry outside of
> his race and culture
> than for a woman? The children will still have just
> as much Albanian blood.
> I've heard most of the arguments, but I have trouble
> with them. Especially
> when so many Albanian men that I know have no
> trouble sleeping with
> international women (including Asians, Africans, and
> even Slavs), whom they
> would never consider marrying, or having children
> with.
> 
> Next problem: rape babies. I can understand the
> disgrace felt by the
> families. But don't forget the disgrace of the
> mothers. They didn't deserve
> it. It was an act of war. I personally know of two
> fathers who abandoned
> their wives when they found out she was pregnant
> with a rape baby. In both
> cases, there was no other possibility for the
> presence of the child. But
> what about the legitimate children of the victim and
> her husband? How do you
> just turn your back on your wife and your own
> children? Why do punish the
> woman for being one more victim of the same
> oppressors who have destroyed
> your country for centuries?
> 
> To the discussion on the US: there is a small amount
> of true integration
> between blacks and whites. The majority of this
> tends to be between higher
> educated individuals, or the celebrities of
> pop-culture. For the most part,
> however, there is no true integration. In many ways,
> integration is
> discouraged. When you apply to university or for a
> job, it is always to your
> advantage to mark "black" if you can. Many companies
> and most universities
> have quota systems, encouraging them to have a
> certain percentage of
> minority employees and students. The negative side
> of this is that some
> underqualified students and employees get positions
> based solely on their
> race. It builds a lot of racial tension.
> 
> I am not a big fan of inter-racial marriage. But I
> am not a racist. My
> objections stem from my own experiences. (I have not
> lived in my home
> country for many years.) From my own experience, it
> is extremely difficult
> to have a long term, meaningful relationship with
> someone who speaks a
> different mother tongue. I speak my second language
> almost as fluently as my
> first. But you can never truly express your deepest
> feelings in any language
> but your mother tongue. Cultural differences (within
> the US being excluded,
> as most US cultures are fairly similar), are also a
> major problem.
> Especially for the person living in the "other"
> culture. While your partner
> might accept that you do not know about or wish to
> participate in certain
> parts of the culture, the rest of the society is
> usually not so accepting.
> 
> Primitive people rarely engaged in race mixing. In
> fact, the vast majority
> of is was the product of "rape and pillage." Race
> mixing could be a virtue,
> but in many cases (especially traumatized societies)
> it's more of an
> exercise in intolerance, leading to mental anguish
> for the couple and any
> children they may have. Don't get me wrong. I'd love
> to see a world in which
> everyone could choose the person they wanted to be
> with, with no regard for
> others or the views of society. But there are still
> major obstacles to
> overcome before we get there. For the couple, the
> society, and the children.
> 
> Racial mixing does not degrade a culture unless it
> is allowed too. I know
> many children of inter-racial marriages. (Including
> white/white inter-racial
> marriages.) It is a responsibility for the parents.
> If the parents teach the
> children about their cultures, and instill the value
> and importance of each,
> then the culture is never degraded. It is when
> children are not taught that
> they loose the culture. This is not only a problem
> of mixed marriages. From
> the people I know, more of the Kosovo Albanians
> abroad who are married to
> Kosovo Albanians have children who do not know about
> their language and
> culture, than Kosovo Albanians abroad married to
> foreigners. You can lose
> your culture within Kosovo, with no inter-marriage,
> if the culture is not
> properly instilled in the children.
> 
> For all my talk about inter-racial marriage, I still
> see the value in
> tolerance. I will always strive to be tolerant,
> regardless of race, sexual
> orientation, or whatever else. One person can never
> change the thousands of
> years that have made societies what they are. All we
> can do, as decent human
>  beings, is not make life any more difficult for
> others than it already has
> to be.
> 
> Jennifer
> 
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 13:37:01 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 13:37:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503151546.21117.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear G.S.,
There you go again with your outdated, myopic point of
view. You are beginning to sound like the neanderthals
we have in our country: The Knight of the Invisible
Empire (The KKK); the Aryan Brotherhood; the
Neo-Nazis, etc.
Why do you persist with your limited views when you
could probably put your energies to more productive
results that would help the Balkans achieve a lasting
peace and prosperity, for EVERYONE!
What a shame. Did you not read Jennifer's letter. She
expresses my views and feelings quite well, as well as
those of quite a few of our fellow Americans. Your
stereotype of our country is quite outdated. Listen up
and educate yourself, for Pete's sake.
--George 
--

--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
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> >Then, since we do not have the problems that made
> Americans invent racial
> >diversity, we do not have to worry about solving
> them. 
> 
> And the interesting thing is that there is no racial
> integration in the US or
> even the UK (where Jeton is I beleive). In the US,
> Blacks and Whites, are
> divided/different on every aspect such as movies,
> music, tv-sitcoms, language,
> food, lifestyle etc. Their view on everything is
> totally different from each
> other. Its all kept up with this fake facade by the
> liberal left.
> 
> The only inter-racial dating/marriage between white
> and black is usually a
> black man with a white woman (95% of the time). The
> white women that
> date/marry black men are usually either 300 pound
> obese women that no one
> looks at, or its your usual Clubbing diehard's (the
> ones that you see in clubs
> every night, and usually work as strip bar dancers
> during the day). I have
> rarely seen a black man with a white girl who is not
> in these two categories,
> and have only met one white man married to a black
> woman in the 5 years I have
> lived in the US.
> 
> 
> >As far as that girl whose shortsightedness started
> all this discussion,
> >she never intended to stay and live in her
> homeland. (The probablility
> >that the previous assertion is true is 0.999)
> Albanians did not kick her,
> >she wanted to leave, and that's why she married a
> foreigner who was >sooner
> or later going to leave. 
> 
> And the "intellectuals" portray it as an Endless
> love story from a book or
> something "Well they loved each other and because of
> you primitive racist
> Albanians they can not live together happily ever
> after". She is probably a
> whore, and the guy is just another "brother" looking
> to score and impregnate a
> white girl (so that he can look cool with his homies
> back in Compton). 
> 
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Wed May  3 13:43:44 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Wed May  3 13:43:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <200005031348.AA185729338@prishtina.com>

OK.

This is the last warning. This page is for Albanian language discussions only. One more post in english, and you will be permanently removed from this list.

I've stated earlier and I am doing it again. If you want to debate in english, use the Prishtina-E list (prishtina-e at alb-net.com).







From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 13:59:02 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 13:59:02 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503155249.21693.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com>

G.S.,
There you go again. You've come to MY country and
continue with your myopic B.S. and than have the
stupidity to label me as a "liberal, brainwashed
Albanian" -what a laugh!
And (as you said it yourself!), you ARE acting like
"some kind of peasant in Mongolia" who's only heard of
the U.S. by word of mouth. 
If you have truly lived in the U.S. all this time,
apparently you're still living in a cocoon or are
stuck in some ethnic Albanian enclave in our country. 
That makes you a prime candidate for membership in the
Klu Klux Klan, the Aryan Brotherhood, etc., or some
other hate group comprised of other dregs of our
American society.
Tell me something, are you busy polishing your boots
or still bootlicking to those other idiots who try to
undermine our American ideals and values? 
I bet you like to engage in Nazi-style goose stepping,
were a Hitler-style moustache and have posters of your
F?hrer plastered all over the walls of your hovel.
AND, for your information, I'm a registered Republican
and have voted for our party's candidates for many,
many years.
Do you vote? If you have been living in my country for
as long as you say you have, have you become a
naturalized U.S. Citizen, registered to vote and
participated in our elections? 
I seriously doubt it. You are probably like many
ignorant immigrants (though NOT ALL immigrants are
like you, thank God!) that only come to our country to
get on our wellfare rolls and become a parasite upon
our socio-economic way of life.
--George  

--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
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> 
> George,
> 
> Who are you kidding man ? Most of us live in the US,
> you are talking to us as
> though we are some kind of peasants in Mongolia who
> have only heard about the
> US by word of mouth. We know how the racial
> integration facade is kept up by
> the liberal left-wing like you. Why is it then you
> left-wing champions of
> multi-culturalism are the first to leave one you
> neighbourhood and city starts
> to become "darker" ? Somehow its a great
> contribution when the whole country
> gets darker, but once your neighbourhood does, you
> are the first in "White
> flight". Stop this BS.
> 
> And the second part is what are you trying to do
> know, saying that Albanians
> in Albania do not like us and listen to Serbian
> music etc. Are you trying to
> divide us up ? So you'r dream is a divided Albanian
> nation that is overwhelmed
> by Africans and destroyed by breeding with our
> women. Whats this ? And no
> American knows about the Tirana Serbian music, you
> are from the Balkans and
> I'm pretty sure your an liberal Albanian brainwashed
> in this mulit-culturalism
> stuff, trying to act like an American, thinking that
> we will get down on our
> knees and obey you. Your pathetic man.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank God I'm not Mr. Clinton! I'm a Republican and
> our next president will be George W. Bush!
> And YES I CAN talk in the name of most of our fellow
> Americans because I constantly travel all over our
> country, engage in many forums and discussions
> pertaining to many local, national and international
> topics and derive my information from sources far
> greater and much more diverse than from your limited
> veiwpoint obtained from one of the most
> underdeveloped
> regions of Europe.
> -By the way, at least I can vote for whoever is to
> rule our great c
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 14:01:45 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 14:01:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000503153250.24150.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Albi Queki,
Is that the best you can do?? I type in a
typographical error of the word: hypocrisy (or
misspelling if you wish), and you make a big deal out
of it in your quest to try to identify me as some
Serbian or other nationality that is not American.
Then you assume I must be a Serbian! You're a joke!
Obviously, you seem to suffer from the same insecurity
as the rest of those who keep on contributing to the
destruction of the Balkans and the continuation of
ethnic turmoil and strife that you are unable to stop
due to your continued hatred of one another.
...too bad, its only YOU that loses in the long run,
not to mention ALL the innocent men, women and
children of the entire Balkan area.
Why do you think our KFOR forces have disarmed the
KLA? DO you really think that their recent award to
our General Clark was seen in any other light than a
futile attempt to suck up to our American forces in
Kosova?
We, the American people want our soldiers home as soon
as possible and we don't want the loss of Amrican
lives due to the fact that BOTH Serbians and ethnic
ALbanians cotinue to go at each other like rabid dogs.
--George
--George 

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> > >true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I
> say? I
> > >don't know what it will take to prove it.
> >
> 
> just as he said...
> 
> >
> > Try to learn some English for a beginning; the
> word "hypocracy" does not
> > even exist (I guess you were trying to write
> "hypocrisy" but did not know
> > how to)
> >
> > Keep bragging about your americanism; For us
> uneducated Albanians it is
> > obvious that you know your English no better than
> your biology; You are the
> > worst kind of American one can meet: arrogant and
> ignorant;
> >
> >
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 14:09:37 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 14:09:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000503160716.1142.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Albi Queli,
Sorry to disappoint you, my good man. But ethnic
diversity IS NOT a "recent American Invention" (as you
put it. It's been around for quite a while but perhaps
has not been heard of before as much as it is these
days.
And, yes, as much as I admire much about president
Roosevelt, he DID have racist views and a somewhat
myopic point of view on mqany American ethnic issues.
Please go to your nearest college or university and
enroll in an ethnic studies class, an American History
class, or a studies in American Athropology class.
You'll be glad you did.
However, why don't we get back to the REAL issue of
this forum: 
Addressing the continued ethnic strife and violence
that is plaguing Kosova and her people; the attempt to
find a peaceful and long-lasting solution to the
Balkan problem; and a quest to stop the excuses for
vengeance and counter vengeance between the Serbs and
ethnic Albanians in Kosova.
Also, what can be done to topple Milosevic from power
and bring about a truly democratic society in the
Balkans so that they can prosper and have peace.
THAT'S what we need to address- don't you think?
--George 

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> >However, during WW-II, racist and ignorant
> Americans
> >stupidly interned Japanese-Americans in
> concentration
> >camps, continued to discriminate against other
> Asians,
> >Jews, Mexican-Americans, Afro-Americans, Irish
> >Americans, some German-Americans,
> Italian-Americans,etc.
> 
> I don't suppose you are calling  F.D. Roosevelt "a
> stupid racist" and "an
> ignorant fellow american," are you?
> 
> George, George, what are you doing?
> 
> Everybody, young and old, black and white or what
> have you, everybody knows
> that the war was a white enterprise; blacks and 200
> asians who participated
> on the american side were used as cannon fodder; sad
> but true;
> 
> You have to admit that "diversity" -- as it is known
> in US -- is a recent
> invention; It certainly did not exist during WW2;
> 
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 14:15:22 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 14:15:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance
Message-ID: <20000503161304.29406.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Albi Qeli,
These are good points you are making. I agree with
most of what you say.
--George

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> >And why is it more acceptable for a man to marry
> outside of his race
> >and culture than for a woman? The children will
> still have just as
> >much Albanian blood.
> 
> I didn't think this was the case at all; "It is
> better" when men marry with
> Albanian girls as well; marriages with others are
> best avoided even
> when you are a male;
> 
> Or maybe you are right, and for women it is less
> acceptable to marry
> foreigners; an explanation would be that people care
> about the fate of the
> children; (in the Balkans children belong to the
> father)
> 
> >Next problem: rape babies. I can understand the
> disgrace felt by the
> >families. But don't forget the disgrace of the
> mothers. They didn't deserve
> >it. It was an act of war. I personally know of two
> fathers who abandoned
> >their wives when they found out she was pregnant
> with a rape baby. In both
> >cases, there was no other possibility for the
> presence of the child. But
> >what about the legitimate children of the victim
> and her husband? How do
> you
> >just turn your back on your wife and your own
> children? Why do punish the
> >woman for being one more victim of the same
> oppressors who have destroyed
> >your country for centuries?
> 
> 
> I think that this is a real problem, but it is just
> too hard to talk about
> it;
> 
> 
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 14:19:34 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 14:19:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000503161710.1148.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Fidan Qeimi,
You asked for it, youv've got it! -Toyota!
It's YOUR LOSS and you're outta here! NEXT!
--George

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> I'm sorry,but I don't wanna comunicate with you and
> your friends,so don't 
> write to me.
> P.S.I realy don't want to comunicate with you.
> 
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Wed May  3 14:23:33 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Wed May  3 14:23:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <00fb01bfb53c$c74ada60$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>typographical error of the word: hypocrisy (or
>misspelling if you wish), and you make a big deal out

Misspelling?!! From "hypocrisy" to "hypocracy"?

Don't bother explaining George; I can tell the difference between a typo and
complete ignorance; The kind of "spelling mistake" you made is only too
common among uneducated Americans; Foreigners don't do that kind of mistake;
It is an American mistake; It is not a simple misspelling, and you _are_ an
ignorant;

Let me give you another example -- this is what you wrote:

>I bet you like to engage in Nazi-style goose stepping,
>were a Hitler-style moustache and have posters of your
>F?hrer plastered all over the walls of your hovel.

It is not "were a moustache" George, it is "wear a moustache";
("were" is the past tense of the verb "to be";)

I have not seen a single -- not a single! -- foreigner make that mistake,
typo or otherwise. Only American highschool dropouts.

>of it in your quest to try to identify me as some
>Serbian or other nationality that is not American.
>Then you assume I must be a Serbian! You're a joke!

I never said you are not American; I don't care where you come from. I just
said that you do not know your English. (You don't know your biology
either.)

>Obviously, you seem to suffer from the same insecurity
>as the rest of those who keep on contributing to the
>destruction of the Balkans and the continuation of
>ethnic turmoil and strife that you are unable to stop


Cut it out George. You are too ignorant to give us lectures; Go and do your
homework pal.

P.S. In keeping with the _rules_ of the list, I will never ever again write
in English here. This was meant to be an Albanian language list.




From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Wed May  3 14:28:00 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Wed May  3 14:28:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <011001bfb53d$67487ea0$26aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>Also, what can be done to topple Milosevic from power
>and bring about a truly democratic society in the
>Balkans so that they can prosper and have peace.
>THAT'S what we need to address- don't you think?


On an exceptionally  good day I would care about that Slobo and the rest of
serbs; but today I will just say "hangershin koken e vet";




From jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 14:28:04 2000
From: jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com (Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis)
Date: Wed May  3 14:28:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance
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George,

Thanks for your message.

But, keep this mind: though I do believe there is a lot of senseless crime
and violence in Kosovo, not ALL of the violence is undeserved. I saw known
war criminals walking the streets a few days after the NATO bombings ending.
For those who have done wrong, I can not condemn whatever form of justice is
doled out. We all know how little the international community will ever do
about them.

Jennifer



From juniku at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 14:29:27 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Wed May  3 14:29:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000503182919.62853.qmail@hotmail.com>

I nderuari Garza,


nese une ju kam fyer me te ashtuquajturin name-calling kerkoj te falur, 
mirepo nese ju e dini se c' eshte polemika atehere do te duhej ta kishit 
kuptuar se cfare kam synuar me drejtimin e papercaktuar personit tuaj.

E kam thene edhe perpara ne kete liste se ketu mungon fryma e diskutimeve 
konstruktive. Kjo ndodh sipas meje per dy arsye. E para, ngase mungon nje 
kulture diskutimi dhe e dyta, ngase mungon nje pergatitje profesionale per 
temat qe shoshiten. Me fjale tjera njerezit e kane te veshtire te pranojne 
mendimet tjera sepse mendojne se jane drejt vetem vete. Hapen shume tema dhe 
nuk mund permbyllen ne diskutim.

Ju jeni drejt ne shume pika qe i ngrisni por edhe jeni shume fyes kunder 
kolektiviteteve. Disa nga reagimet e diskutanteve kane qene puro raciste. 
Eshte shume e qarte, mirepo une mendoj se demokracia ka te beje me degjimin 
edhe te ketyre ideve dhe bindjeve. Duke degjuar nuk do te thote se jemi 
raciste.


Krejt ne fund, e thashe edhe ne letren e kaluar, ju mund te me shkruani ne 
adresen private per t' mi davaritur dyshimet se jeni ai qe thoni. Shume 
evidence deshmon dyshimin tim. Une p.sh. mund t' ju jap cdo informate per 
mua bile edhe publikisht ne liste. Nese edhe ju mund ta beni kete atehere 
besoj se qellimi juaj eshte i pastert dhe i qarte nese jo, cka po mbetet 
atehere?


Uk Lushi

P.S. Vazhdoni te injoroni hipokrizine time dhe edhe ju do te beheni 
hipokrit!


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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 14:40:59 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 14:40:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Race-mixing "dream" !!
Message-ID: <20000503162554.4345.qmail@web4502.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear G.S.,
HELLO!!! --Earth to G.S., wake up! wake u--u--p! It's
time to join the new millenium! Your OUTDATED ideas
don't cut the mustard. STOP living in a cocoon. Your
neanderthalistic tendencies are showing!
Try Comedy Central, maybe you can make them laugh with
your jokes!
--George

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> Who has given you this utterly false and dangerous
> idea that race-mixing is a
> virtue, and that only advanced people can grasp it,
> since not agreeing to
> race-mixing is primitive ? Primitive people 10,000
> years ago were involved in
> blind race-mixing. Why is it that Japan/Germany/USA
> does not accept
> race-mixing ? Does that mean that Cuba is an
> advanced country ? and even Cuba
> does not have blind race-mixing.  
> 
> >I am not one and second my argument ,opposing
> inter-ethnic(racial)>marriages
> in Kosova, was not based on race but on my 
> >opinion that the Albanian society in KOSOVA has not
> achieved the level >of
> development that would benefit from
> inter-ethnic(racial) marriages.
> 
> The only benefit Kosova would have from race-mixing
> would be WAR, Bosnia had
> ethnic-mixing which is a lot softer than race-mixing
> and it suffered for it,
> the world did not know who was who, even the
> bosnians did not know. Kosova was
> 90% pure and it gave the world a stark choich. 
> 
> Imagine if Kosova had been full of "intellectual's"
> like the ones we have here
> .Imagine if we would have been 40% Albanian 50%
> mixed marriage, and 10% Serb,
> you know what the world would have done NOTHING and
> we would have died like
> the Bosnians did. ITS THANKS TO OUR PARENTS AND
> OTHERS BEFORE US THAT WE
> STAYED ALBANIAN AND MANAGED TO PROCREATE. 
> 
> I have nothing towards (and most Albanians do not)
> Albanians bringing in
> foreign wifes and husbands to Kosova as long as they
> are caucasian, then their
> kids will be Albanian. But this inter-racial thing
> in Kosova is absolutely
> insane, its an extreme radical idea, made up by
> left-wing fanatic dreamers and
> idealists, that will only take our nation towards
> oblivion.
> 
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From jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 14:47:15 2000
From: jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com (Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis)
Date: Wed May  3 14:47:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Urgent for English message senders!
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I'd love to continue these discussions, but could we please move them to:

prishtina-e at alb-net.com 

We are violating the rules by posting them here.

Thanks!

Jennifer



From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 15:25:31 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 15:25:31 2000
Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503165504.16659.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear G.S.,
Good valid points on his one. But now I'm really
confused by your zig-zagging on BOTH points of the
issue? One minute you come across as a pro-Albanian
racist, then the next minute you take the other point
of view. Are you in ned of some therapy?? (Perhaps
wall-to-wall counselling???)
--George

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> >G.S.: it's silly to pretend your not racist when
> you can later admit >that
> you can envision reproachment between Albanians and
> Serbs (and 
> >intermarriage)
> 
> I do not hate other races. I actually think the
> Asian race is smarter than the
> white race. I have a Latin girlfriend (Although I
> will marry an Alb),
> Indian/Chinese/Black friends at work and school, we
> all have fun and joke
> around. But I want a country where I can return to
> and have my children grow
> up in. I want to have an identity, race-mixing and
> ethnic-interrmarriage will
> degrade it down. If that is considered racist, then
> yes I am.
> 
> I never said intermarriage between us and the Serbs,
> that would be insane. And
> what do you exactly mean reproachment ? I consider
> it when most Serbs accept
> the fact that they need to stop listening to
> Belgrade and start working with
> the Albanians, then they can slowly start to stay
> and live in peace. I did not
> say that then we can all screw each other and create
> a new nation.
> 
> 
> > but not Albanians and those of the Negroid 'race'
> (taken from the FALSE
> >19th century doctrine that humanity was in fact *3
> separate species*. >Since
> no 3-position genetic switch has ever been found 
> >(caucasoid/mongoloid/negroid), and since no example
> of 'race'-based 
> >infertility have been found ('blacks' from Zimbabwe
> can mate >successfully
> with 'whites', (also 'yellows' 'pinks', etc.)
> >what your left with is various collections of
> traits that get under >peoples'
> skin. riddle me this, g-thang: you believe ethnic
> >reconciliation and
> intermarriage is possible twixt serbs and albanians
> >but not between one
> 'race' and another. but when i look at classic
> 3->position 'racial
> determinations' of various ethnic groups, i find
> that >hindi (Aryans) are
> brown skinned but """"CAUCASIAN""""!!!
> 
> 
> You can successfully make a hybrid between an apple
> and a pear(They grow it in
> Spain),you can also mate a horse and a donkey, does
> that mean that they are
> the same. What you are saying is that " that the
> apple and pear look and taste
> the same, and to think otherwise is criminal"
> 
> Race is a population of peoples that share certain
> similar genes, it does not
> mean a different species.
> 
> HERE IS THE BEST EXAMPLE : The Albanians and Serbs
> hate each other, but
> imagine if an Serb baby were to be taken to Albania
> and brought up as an
> Albanian he would then become Albanian. The same
> thing if it were that an
> Albanian baby was taken to Serbia.  Now what if a
> black baby was taken to the
> US from Africa, would it be brought up as an
> American or African-American ? Or
> if a black baby was taken to Kosova or China , etc ?
> Its physical aspects
> would not allow it to assimilate, and I did not make
> it that way, nature did,
> the only difference is that I see it and you dont
> want to.
> 
> Now two questions to you Ali G.,
>  
> 1-which country is truly inter-racial where race
> does not matter ? Tell me of
> a country that is having or has ever had a great
> multi-racial experience. And
> I dont mean small minorities that have full-fledged
> rights. 
> 
> 2-What makes you think that the Albanians who have
> had gypsies (which are 10
> times closer to whites than Africans are) and Serbs
> (who are different in
> culture/religion) for 1000 years and never
> intermarried with them are going to
> jump into national/racial suicide with a potential
> African group ? Give me
> some concrete steps on how you envision a
> multi-racial integrated new race of
> "Albanians" ?
> 
> 
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From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 15:26:51 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 15:26:51 2000
Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Racism, culture, and tolerance]
Message-ID: <20000503192641.23361.qmail@nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net>

> How do you choose which ethnicities are acceptable,
> and which not?

In a broad sense, caucasian (ie: the original inhabitants of north africa,
Europe, and the middle east). Thats like the border of ethnic acceptability in
our culture as far as I see.

> And why is it more acceptable for a man
> to marry outside of his race and culture
> than for a woman? 

I would speculate that its biological because a woman is more valuable in
procrating than a man is. A single man can make 10,000 babies but a single
woman can not usually have more than 30 children in her lifetime. So women are
more valuable. 

> To the discussion on the US: there is a small amount
> of true integration between blacks and whites.
> The majority of this tends to be between higher educated
> individuals,  or the celebrities of pop-culture.

And even that integration is more like assimilation, usually its a successfull
black male who wants to become white (ie OJ Simpson). 

And the low class inter-marriage is usually a black male and a white
trash jerry springer female, in this case its usually assimiliation of 
the girl into inner-city black culture, the girl has found out that she
is "a black woman traped in a white womans body".

So either way, its one camp gaining over the other, not true 
integration.


 
> Primitive people rarely engaged in race mixing. 

I do not think that cave men really asked what race you were before they mated
with you. Same thing with animals, do dogs care if they interbreed ? According
to liberals a cave man would never have slept with another race.

> From the people I know, more of the Kosovo Albanians
> abroad who are married to Kosovo Albanians have children
> who do not know about their language and
> culture, than Kosovo Albanians abroad married to
> foreigners. You can lose your culture within Kosovo, 
> with no inter-marriage, if the culture is not
> properly instilled in the children.

I do not think anyone is against an Albanian marrying a foreign caucasian
person. I certainly am not, one of my families best friend is an Albanian
doctor who is married to a woman from the UK, she has lived in Kosova for 35
years, she speaks Albanian, she has an adopted Albanian name and her children
are Albanians and so are here grandchildren. Thats perfect assimilation. Try
doing that with a person from Zimbabwe. 


 
> For all my talk about inter-racial marriage, I still
> see the value in tolerance. I will always strive to be
> tolerant, regardless of race, sexual  orientation, or 
> whatever else. One person can never change the thousands of
> years that have made societies what they are. All we
> can do, as decent human beings, is not make life any more 
> difficult for others than it already has  to be.

No one is saying lets go out and kill a black person. I have black school
friends and even have a homosexual co-worker. When I am at work or at school
we usually all gather there and talk, joke around etc. But thats tolerance,
now I do not think we should mix and I dont want non-white immigrants to ever
come to my country (in the future when its prosperous) since I know the
consequences of not being able to assimilate, and non-whites have no chance of
being assimilated. Is that racism ? Or is it half racism ? Maybe I'm a racist
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 15:28:08 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Wed May  3 15:28:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
Message-ID: <20000503164905.12914.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Bujar Dibra,
Sorry to disappoint you, but: The two thirds of
Mexican territory our country took away from Mexico
WAS NOT a gift. It was taken AT GUN POINT. ALso,
immediately after the war, many Mexicans living in
what is now the southwestern part of the U.S. WERE IN
FACT SENT SOUTH of the new U.S. Mexican border. Those
who remained were forced to learn English and to
assimilate as best as possible. Nevertheless, today
many Mexican-Americans I speak to consider themselves
U.S. Americans, are willing to fight and die for our
country, AND DO NOT politically consider themselves
MEXICAN. They consider themselves Americans of Mexican
ancestry.
And NO, Mr.Dibra, I know perfectly well what the term:
"Politically Correct" means. --So, what's your point??
Are you saying that the by-product of our invasion and
occupation of Kosova is independence? -Well, I'm not
so sure. That remains to be seen. However, consider
the fact that the KLA has had to be disarmed due to
their Milosevic-style vengeance upon the ethnic
Serbian Kosovars.
Not so fast with your excuse that "Only the Serbs can
answer the question pertaining to when will true peace
and prosperity will be acheived in the Balkans."
This is a question that can ONLY be answered by Serbs,
Serbian Kosovars and Albanian Kosovars alike. NOBODY
weasels out of this one!
Your "one rabid dog" analogy does not hold water
because BOTH Serbians, Serbian Kosovars AND Albanian
Kosovars claim to be the victims and blame the other
side as being the aggressors. PUH-LEEEZE! Gimme a
break!
As for martin Luther King, he was indeed a great man
who did a lot for our country's African Americans, as
well as for many others in our country. Because of him
and others like him, we are a much better country than
we've ever been.
--George  

--- Bujar Dibra <b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: 02 May 2000 19:29
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks
> 
> 
> >my opinion IS
> > VERY AMERICAN and VERY PRO-AMERICAN AT THAT! My
> > opinion is not PRO-SERBIAN or PRO-ETHNIC ALBANIAN.
> 
> All I can say is that your opinion is politically
> correct.....(do you need
> explanation what this means)....
> 
> > Have you forgotten the fact that our allied forces
> > NEVER went into Kosovo to liberate it and have it
> > become a part of Albania or an independent state?
> That
> > has never been our intention as it was implied by
> the
> > KLA.
> > All we want is peace and a stop to the genocide
> being
> > practiced by most ALL of you people in the
> Balkans.
> 
> Of course all the points you made are true....( you
> forgot to mention some
> 'little' points but never mind)...but every process
> has it's by-product, in
> this case Independence.....and they (Nato & US) knew
> it.....( please don't
> tell us they were stupid )......
> 
> > If you say that "Kosova has yet to cure its wounds
> > caused by Serbia, etc., etc., then my question to
> you
> > is: WHEN will ANYONE in the Balkans stop using
> this as
> > a pretext to continue with the bloodshed of
> innocent
> > men, women and children from ALL of the Balkans.
> > From our American point of veiw, EVERYONE in the
> > Balkans is guilty of these attrocities, of revenge
> and
> > counter revenge, etc.
> 
> Absolutely true with one amendment, one cannot
> equalise the crimes made by a
> state to that of some individuals, difference is
> shocking.....
> 
> > The question here in the U.S. is: When will the
> > butchering of ALL Balkan innocents stop? When will
> ALL
> > sides stop dragging their chains of hate and
> ethnicism
> > (a form of racism) that have bound them all for
> more
> > than 1,000 years?
> 
> We Albanians cannot answer this....only Serbs can.
> Why ?!
> Who started this time and time again, certainly not
> Albanians, we were
> always in receiving end...
> 
> > The rest of the world IS SICK of it.
> 
> Not more than we are....
> 
> >We here in the
> > U.S. want for our soldiers to come home and not
> have
> > to risk their lives because two rabid dogs cannot
> stop
> > fighting each other.
> 
> No sir, one is a rabid dog the other one is always
> defending himself
> ( I believe that is called survival, correct me if
> I'm wrong)....
> 
> > What will it take to get you Albanians and
> Serbians to
> > understand this simple question? Your hearts are
> so
> > full of hate for one another that you can't see
> > anything else but vengeance and counter-vengeance.
> > And, OK (for this discussion's sake), let's
> consider
> > your suggestion that we put my country in Kosova's
> > position, fair enough?
> > Consider the historical fact that two-thirds of
> Mexico
> > was taken over by the United States back in the
> > mid-1800s (Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Utah,
> > California, , parts of Kansas, parts of Oklahoma,
> > parts of Washington State, Oregon, Nevada,
> Arizona,
> > Wyoming and Montana). This constitutes more than
> two
> > thirds of what used to be part of Mexico.
> > Present-day Mexico now only has but about one
> third of
> > its origininal territory.
> > However, the Mexican-American people who are
> either
> > born and raised in the United States, or have
> > immigrated into the U.S. and have become
> naturalized
> > U.S. citizens (though they are of Mexican ethnic
> > origin), consider themselves U.S. Americans.
> > They have their alligiance TO THE UNITED STATES
> and
> > NOT to Mexico, though they share cultural ties to
> > Mexico. The Mexican-Americans (though persecuted
> in
> > the U.S. for a very long time) have never had ANY
> > intention of declaring the southwestern part of
> the
> > U.S. as a new and independent nation, or as a
> > re-joined part of "Occupied Mexico."
> > That is because we here in the U.S. believe that
> no
> > matter what has happened in the past, we are the
> > people of the United States of America and THAT
> > matters more than ethnic or racial divisionism.
> 
> Two-third of Mexico was not taken over by US, they
> were gift of Mexican
> General, whose 'Mason ass' was more precious than
> Mexico (even though
> Mexican Forces were three or more times stronger
> than US-Forces, correct me
> if I'm wrong Mr Garza )....nevertheless you learned
> to live with it...and US
> help in this direction is unquestionable...
> 
> As for the discussion sake, your version of putting
> Mexico instead of Kosovo
> does not hold...
> The proper version would have been, if US would have
> tried to deport all
> ethnic-Mexicans over the border to Mexico (as Serbs
> did to us) than please
> explain to us what your response would have been...
> 
> > The same holds true for African-Americans (whose
> > ancestors have suffered some of the worst cases of
> > racism, slavery and other atrocities committed by
> > whites against them) yet, they are proud to be
> > Americans,
> 
> Of course they are because no one is spitting on
> their ethnic,cultural or
> religion background..
> 
> >and like everyone else in our country, we
> > ALL recognize that in our great diversity we
> possess
> > the most powerful gift God can bestow upon a
> nation
> > such as ours: The brotherhood of Man.
> 
> hehehe...For one moment I thought I was reading
> Martin Luther King....
> 
> > Is that lesson too much to learn for Serbians and
> > Albanians, including everyone else in the former
> > Yugoslavia?
> 
> Not a lesson to learn, but some of Kosovars belived
> in that......how wrong
> they were...
> 
> > Don't forget that in Tirana, they listen to
> Serbian
> > music.
> 
> Trust me, we used to listen more than them....
> 
> > Maybe the Albanians in Albania are far more
> > progressive than the Albanians in Kosova. Have you
> > ever wondered why the Albanians in Albania are not
> too
> > enthused about "Albanianism"?
> > Don't tell me that they are because we here in the
> > U.S. (thanks to CNN) are well aware of the
> terrible
> > way the Albanian refugees from Kosova were treated
> by
> > the Albanians in Albania.
> 
> Do I see a tendency of generalising things on basis
> of 
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From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 15:37:20 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 15:37:20 2000
Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]]
Message-ID: <20000503193718.5666.qmail@nw176.netaddress.usa.net>

>Do you vote? If you have been living in my country for
>as long as you say you have, have you become a
>naturalized U.S. Citizen, registered to vote and
>participated in our elections? 

Nope I'm not a citizen yet and it takes longer than 5 years. Once I do
I will.


>I seriously doubt it. You are probably like many
>ignorant immigrants (though NOT ALL immigrants are
>like you, thank God!) that only come to our country to
>get on our wellfare rolls and become a parasite upon
>our socio-economic way of life.
>--George  

Hehehehe,, man your pretty fired up arent you ? And you were saying that I'm a
neo-nazi ? Cool it down man. 

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From sylo at online.no  Wed May  3 16:02:23 2000
From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku)
Date: Wed May  3 16:02:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] F. Brovina luftetare kunder racizmit -viktim e racizmit !
References: <20000503193718.5666.qmail@nw176.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <00f001bfb53a$75845280$5b5d4382@sylo>

Hallo, 

mbase qe teme e diskutimit ishte racizmi dhe te drejtat e gruas (posaqersisht asaj kosovare), po i percjelli fjalet e Flora Brovines, ne gjyqin e saje te padrejte ne Nis. Ndoshta disa ketu mund te mesojne diqka nga qendrimet e kesaj gruaje te forte.  Njerez te tille si Flora Brovina, jane fatkeqsisht te ralle ne Kosove, por po shtohen...

-------------------------------------- 

WORDS OF FLORA BROVINA
TRIAL IN NIS 
9 of December '99

 

On this trial Flora Brovina, Albanian poet and medical doctor, was sentenced to 12 years of inprisonment by serbian authorities. This is what she said:

"I dedicated my whole life to children and children do not choose their ethnicity, children do not know what ethnicity they are if their parents do not tell them. With my patients, I have never divided them according to their ethnicity, according to religion or the ideological choice of their parents. I feel proud because of this and even if I was not an Albanian woman I would have done the same thing. I am one of the persons most involved in humanitarian work in Kosovo; I have sacrificed my health in order to help women and children. If I were free, I would have had much work, I would help those that are suffering more now; now it is not Albanians that are suffering the most, now it is others, and I would work with all my strength in order to help them, Serb, Roma people.

My duty has been to dedicate myself also as a woman, as a doctor, as a poet to the emancipation of the Albanian woman, to her consciousness, to women's human rights, to help them fight for their freedom, to understand that without independence economics cannot succeed nor can freedom. In the League for Albanian Women, I have created bridges of friendship in the country and in the whole world. We have cooperated the most with Serbian women. Serbian women have given me the strongest support, perhaps they knew our problems best, and they have presented our problems best. The Albanian women of Kosovo should never forget this.

I am very sorry that the court underestimates the role of women in the world. It is very important that women enjoy the same equality as men. I will never renounce the right to fight for the rights of women. I will always fight for women's rights. What the court has accused me of having fought for the secession of Kosovo and the annexation of Albania, I repeat: My country is where my friends are and where my poems are read. My poems are read in Switzerland, India, Brazil, Poland, in each of these countries it is as if I am in their own house. My poems have been published in the Encyclopedia of Poets of Yugoslavia (ex-Yugoslavia) and it is something very important for Albanian women. 

The Albanian community has never behaved in this manner with their neighbors, women, and children. Right now in Kosovo, they have gone back to revenge at the end of the twentieth century. I am very sorry for not being free, for being in jail, for not being able to influence more what is happening now in Kosovo, for not being able to do more to lend a hand, to help those that are expelled, displaced. I believe that they will do it as if I were with them; I hope that they will make it because they are women, I hope that they behave in a just manner. I would do anything for them so that they could return to their houses, I would do anything so that the Serbian community and the Albanians reconcile. The intellectuals of Kosovo should give their support to reconciliation, other communities have also fought, they have made even larger wars between each other and now they have reconciled." Flora left the court walking slowly; the police showed with harsh and arrogant words to the family and friends of Flora that they were not permitted to have any contact with her. Flora's two sisters that arrived from Kosovo, the poet Radmila Lazic, and I went to accompany Flora up to the police car. For a moment, we succeeded in putting the palms of our hands on the window of the police car. At that moment one of the policemen said with an insolent voice, "She's in safe hands. . ." Two policemen were in the front seat of the vehicle. Before my eyes surged imprisoned women: Leyla Zana, Kurdish, imprisoned in Turkey, Rigoberta Menchu, Aung Suun Ki . .. . . We waved goodbye to Flora until the police vehicle was gone, while we could see it. I was in a state of "black shame," as Ana Ahmatova says, because each one of us could have been on her place.

Stasa Zajovic
Women in Black
Belgrade, 14. december 99

 
 




----- Original Message ----- 
From: G.S <puka at usa.net>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 3. mai 2000 21:37
Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]]]


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> 
> >Do you vote? If you have been living in my country for
> >as long as you say you have, have you become a
> >naturalized U.S. Citizen, registered to vote and
> >participated in our elections? 
> 
> Nope I'm not a citizen yet and it takes longer than 5 years. Once I do
> I will.
> 
> 
> >I seriously doubt it. You are probably like many
> >ignorant immigrants (though NOT ALL immigrants are
> >like you, thank God!) that only come to our country to
> >get on our wellfare rolls and become a parasite upon
> >our socio-economic way of life.
> >--George  
> 
> Hehehehe,, man your pretty fired up arent you ? And you were saying that I'm a
> neo-nazi ? Cool it down man. 
> 
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From Gjelina at aol.com  Wed May  3 17:08:39 2000
From: Gjelina at aol.com (Gjelina at aol.com)
Date: Wed May  3 17:08:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Race-mixing "dream" !!
Message-ID: <c.4aace97.2641ef3b@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/3/00 2:41:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
george33030 at yahoo.com writes:

<< Dear G.S.,
 HELLO!!! --Earth to G.S., wake up! wake u--u--p! It's
 time to join the new millenium! Your OUTDATED ideas
 don't cut the mustard. STOP living in a cocoon. Your
 neanderthalistic tendencies are showing!
 Try Comedy Central, maybe you can make them laugh with
 your jokes!
 --George >>


George,

I normally do not partake in these discussions because of lack of time, but I 
am a bit perturbed by your input (as far as I can see from your postings, you 
seem to be very opinionated, very racist and very childish).  

What exactly is your aim in joining this group anyway?  Is it to offend and 
provoke?  Then I must commend you; you are doing an excellent job.



From puka at usa.net  Wed May  3 17:56:05 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed May  3 17:56:05 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Asimilimi dhe racizmi
Message-ID: <20000503215603.9855.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net>

Siduket shumica njerzve ne kete forum i kan perzi asimilimin me racizem. A ka
dallim ndermnjet asimilit dhe racizmit ? 

Si e shof une :

Racizem eshte menimi se raca e jote eshte ma e mira dhe racat tjera duhet mu
zhduke nga ky planet ose me qene nen races tuaj.

Diskutimi qe mundona une me bo ketu eshte se per mu asimilu ne kombesin
shqiptare nje person duhet me qene i bardhe. A eshte ajo "racizem" simbas juve
? Nje shembul qe e kam shkrujt edhe anglisht : Nese nje bebe serbe, 1 mujsh,
mirret nga serbia,identiteti saj mshefet, dhe rritet ne kosove me prinder
shqiptar, ajo do te jete 100% shqiptar. Po nese bohet i njejti "eksperiment"
me nje zezak , a mendoni qe zezaku kishte qene 100% shqiptar apo zezak qe flet
shqip ? 

Ashtu qe asimilimi dhe racizmi jan dy gjera te ndryshme, kudo ne bote nese don
mu bo anetare e nje kombesije duhesh me qene perafersisht anetar i njejtes
race. Racizmi eshte komplet send tjeter, te lutem mos i perzini.

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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 01:41:12 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Thu May  4 01:41:12 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume m
Message-ID: <20000503223844.13712.qmail@web4504.mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Avdyl Gashi,
Good for her! And good for him. Perhaps their children
will show the rest of the world that great things can
happen when the different races and ethnic groups get
together!
---George

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> Confirmation of reading: your message -
> 
>     Date:    27 Apr 00, 20:37
>     To:      prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>     Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e
> martume me MUSLIMAN te Nigeris.
> 
> Was read at 17:00, 3 May 100.
> 
> 
>
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From george33030 at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 02:05:01 2000
From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza)
Date: Thu May  4 02:05:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
Message-ID: <20000503230816.12345.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com>

Ramis Ahmeta,
Apparently, you don't care about anything except
finding ways to justify the continuation of
hostilities between Serbians and Albanians in Kosova.
Its a shame you are (from the sound of your name, you
might be a Moslem) probably still smarting from the
attrocities committed against your people in the
Balkans.
However, as most intelligent people know: NOW and NOT
TOMORROW is the best time to start developing peace
and quit dragging the chains of hatred, vengeance,
counter vengeance and ignorance.
And for YOUR information, I DO KNOW quite a bit about
the Balkans. Do you stupidly think my sole source of
information is CNN? Don't be stupid.
And (you are right) we ARE talking about the Balkans
here and NOT THE U.S. 
However, if you fail to see some of the parallels I've
drawn up, it's probably because you are not a product
of our American history and society and can only see
things in the myopic way an immigrant like you (who
seems to STILL be enveloped with the hate typical of
the land he abandoned in order to come to our great
country)would see things.
Since you fail to see the parallel pertaining to the
Mexican and Mexican-AMerican experience in this
country, as well as that of Afro-Americans, the Irish,
Italians, etc., it only reflects your sad state of
being.
And in spite of the examples you've given pertaining
to Rodney King, etc., how do you explain ALL of our
ethnic and racial groups represented by the great
diversity of our mighty armed forces who are ready,
willing and able to kick ass to ANY and ALL of our
enemies (whoever and wherever they may be) and are
willing to defend our country.
What you fail to understand, that in spite of all the
wrongs we Americans have historically done to one
another, we have the ability to move on and can unite
(whatever our background) in a common cause.
(Something you and the others continue to prove that
you are incapable of doing since you continue to drown
in your hate for each other and your penchant to
endlessly go on with something that has lasted for
more than a thousand years.
Give it up! Get a life!
And yes,I now that some wounds are hard to heal.
However, why do you try to justify the fact that you
keep clawing at the scabs and continue to pick them
raw? No wonder these wounds won't heal! It's high time
you tried something different.
--George  

--- Ramis Ahmetaj <ramis39 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> 
> George,
> I don't care who you are, what you are, where you
> are, and I didn't care to 
> know how sadly ignorant you are, but I couldn't help
> notice it from your 
> e-mails. You believe that you know so much about the
> Balkans, however you 
> appear to know only what you saw on CNN. NOTHING
> MORE.
> We are dealing with the Balkans here, not the U.S.
> For them your inclusion 
> of Mexican-Americans in this discussion is nothing
> more than sheer 
> stupidity. When you do that you put the United
> States in the same level with 
> Serbia, and I know that is not true.  I hope you
> feel the same. From what 
> you are saying, I can only see a picture of
> open-armed Mexicans grateful of 
> Gringo's occupation, and that is not correct.  It
> took a long time for the 
> Mexican-American relationships to reach the level
> that they are today, but 
> you expect Albanian and Serbs to forget about
> everything that happened in a 
> matter of months.  Kind of silly.
> You can go on about the racial(ethnic,
> religious)equality in the US, but 
> nobody will buy it. At least not us living in the
> US. We know about the 
> projects, racial profiling, police brutality, Rodney
> King, Abner Louima, 
> Amadou Diallo, Bob Jones University(G.W. Bush knows
> about it)etc. Do they 
> ring a bell?
> George, if you live in the United States, you must
> know that no wounds are 
> healed fast.
> 
> Ramis Ahmetaj
> 
> 
> 
> >From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe
> Garza
> >Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:27:15 -0700 (PDT)
> >
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> >
> >Dear Uk Lushi,
> >It is interesting that you who complains about
> >name-calling and cursing has the audacity to begin
> >this dialogue with me by resorting to name-calling.
> >(There's SOMETHING wrong with this picture!)
> >However, by ignoring your hypocracy, I'll try to
> >answer some of your questions and respond to your
> >comments as best I can.
> >1) Those people whom you say: "have lost
> everything"
> >ARE NOT the ones who are engaged in vengeance.
> These
> >people are the innocents who have suffered at the
> >hands of the Serbs. They know what its like to lose
> >everything to the invading Serbs, including their
> >loved ones.
> >These innocent victims are not the type of people
> who
> >would do that to someone else.
> >However, among the Albanian Kosovars there are
> those
> >who are immersed in greed and who want to take over
> >the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
> >These Albanian Kosovars are exploiting the grief
> and
> >and loss of the innocents to further THEIR own
> >interests and to acquire property in an unlawful
> >manner.
> >Isn't this the typical communist style of acquiring
> >things? We saw it in Russia in 1917 after the
> >communist takeover and we saw it in Cuba after the
> >Castro takeover. Now we see it in Kosova.
> >You might argue that since the Serbian Kosovars
> fled
> >and left their homes unoccupied, Albanian Kosovar
> >refugees left homeless by the Serbian attrocities
> have
> >a right to occupy deserted homes not belonging to
> >them.
> >Howver, in a family of (let's say) five brothers
> (who
> >once lived together in the same home) there is no
> need
> >for them to occupy five separate apartments. Also,
> the
> >Serbian Kosovars who fled their homes in terror
> STILL
> >own those homes, just as the the Albanian Kosovars
> >STILL own and have a right to return to the homes
> they
> >were forced to abandon when Milosevic's death
> squads
> >forced them out at gunpoint.
> >As we here in the U.S. see it, this stupid
> situation
> >has developed into a war over exploitation and
> coveted
> >property belonging to both Serbian and Albanian
> >Kosovars, instead of the so-called war of ethnic
> >cleansing.
> >In northern Mitrovica, Serbians are taking over the
> >properties of Albanian families, while most
> evertwhere
> >else in Kosova, the ethnic Albanian Kosovars are
> >taking over the properties of the Serbian Kosovars.
> >Where is the logic in this?
> >2)Why can't I write in Albanian? This is because
> I'm
> >not as fortunate as you who has demonstrated to me
> >your great capability in expressing yourself in my
> >native English language.
> >At the moment, I can mostly read and understand
> much
> >(though not all) of your Albanian language. But
> (for
> >now) I can't do as well when I try to express
> myself
> >in Albanian.
> >I hope to one day be able to write AND speak
> Albanian
> >(as well as other great languages) as well as you
> can
> >write and probably speak my English.
> >Therefore, in order for me to express myself as
> >effectively as I can, I can only do so in my own
> >language.
> >I'm sure you can understand this since you yourself
> >explained to me why it is easier for those reading
> >these dialogues can only express themselves easier
> by
> >doing so in their native Albanian language.
> >It is past midnight and I've a long and busy day
> >tomorrow.
> >I'll be happy to continue with this dialogue later
> and
> >will return as soon as I am able.
> >If you doubt the fact that I'm a
> >true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I say?
> I
> >don't know what it will take to prove it.
> >Howver, I'm not going to waste my time trying to do
> >so. If you are as intelligent as you claim to be,
> you
> >will find out soon enough that I'm as American as
> >apple pie and indeed I'm a true Yankee-Doodle
> Dandee!
> >--George
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Uk Lushi <juniku at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > Zoti ose Zonja ose Hermafroditi Garza,
> > >
> > > ne shume pika jeni drejt, ne shume te tjera jeni
> > > relativisht drejt dhe,
> > > fatkeqesisht, ne me shume jeni tmerrshem gabim.
> > >
> > > I keni perzier gjerat. Ne nje leter me heret (ne
> > > anglisht) shkrova se
> > > diskutimet ne kete liste shpesh i pergjasojne
> > > atmosferes se nje kopshti
> > > zoologjik. Ju jeni bere zeri me distinktiv.
> Separi
> > > jeni shume fyes kunder
> > > nje populli, atij shqiptar, dhe jo vetem atij
> por
> > > edhe kunder popullit serb.
> > > Mos po cuditeni?! Lermeni t' ju bej me dije
> dicka:
> > > une kam qene ushtar i
> > > UCK-se dhe neser po ti nevojitej ndihme Serbise
> nga
> > > vrases te llojit te
> > > regjimit serb ne Kosove une nuk do te hezitoja
> te
> > > shkoja te luftoja edhe per
> > > serbet. Pse? Sepse lufta ne Kosove nuk u be
> kunder
> 
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From jashar.mehmeti at omik.org  Thu May  4 06:03:56 2000
From: jashar.mehmeti at omik.org (jashar mehmeti)
Date: Thu May  4 06:03:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nderrimi i temes dhe Garza
References: <20000503153250.24150.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39114A20.8428CA94@omik.org>

hey george,

it is the first time im writing here, and i can see that you are the
most active in this page
stop calling the albnians rabid dogs or whatever.
 i dont know what your problem is, but i would say that you attedned a
serbian school, or you read some serbian history book (written in
advance for 10 or 15 coming years)

P.S.

when talking about the disarming of the KLA, do not forget about TMK, it
is US that formed them. TMK was never even mentioned in any agreement
(Ramboulliet....). Lot of people think that they are fire-brigade. But i
dont know why do they have to carry two times bigger machine guns than
british soliders do. And why do they need all the commanders they
have.
George Garza wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> Dear Albi Queki,
> Is that the best you can do?? I type in a
> typographical error of the word: hypocrisy (or
> misspelling if you wish), and you make a big deal out
> of it in your quest to try to identify me as some
> Serbian or other nationality that is not American.
> Then you assume I must be a Serbian! You're a joke!
> Obviously, you seem to suffer from the same insecurity
> as the rest of those who keep on contributing to the
> destruction of the Balkans and the continuation of
> ethnic turmoil and strife that you are unable to stop
> due to your continued hatred of one another.
> ...too bad, its only YOU that loses in the long run,
> not to mention ALL the innocent men, women and
> children of the entire Balkan area.
> Why do you think our KFOR forces have disarmed the
> KLA? DO you really think that their recent award to
> our General Clark was seen in any other light than a
> futile attempt to suck up to our American forces in
> Kosova?
> We, the American people want our soldiers home as soon
> as possible and we don't want the loss of Amrican
> lives due to the fact that BOTH Serbians and ethnic
> ALbanians cotinue to go at each other like rabid dogs.
> --George
> --George
>
> --- jashar mehmeti <jashar.mehmeti at omik.org> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >
> >
> > Albi Qeli wrote:
> >
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > >true-blue-dye-in-the-wool American, what can I
> > say? I
> > > >don't know what it will take to prove it.
> > >
> >
> > just as he said...
> >
> > >
> > > Try to learn some English for a beginning; the
> > word "hypocracy" does not
> > > even exist (I guess you were trying to write
> > "hypocrisy" but did not know
> > > how to)
> > >
> > > Keep bragging about your americanism; For us
> > uneducated Albanians it is
> > > obvious that you know your English no better than
> > your biology; You are the
> > > worst kind of American one can meet: arrogant and
> > ignorant;
> > >
> > >
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From neab at freesurf.ch  Thu May  4 06:23:41 2000
From: neab at freesurf.ch (Presheva Info)
Date: Thu May  4 06:23:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BB__=BB__=BB__SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?PPPPPPP_=AB_=AB_=AB_?=
Message-ID: <000f01bfb5b2$d26e18a0$c3f8e6c2@compuneab>

...po a dini t? ndalur ju more burra? Po a kan? kufi k?to diskutimet e juaja bajate dhe pa kurr?far? vlere dhe r?nd?sie?!?! 
E ??sht? m? e keqja  ju filluat edhe n? anglisht! Thua se do t? ta zgjedhni n? gjuh?n e huaj ....
Mor shqiptar?,......
Problemi nuk zgjidhet ashtu!?!? 
Ja  tani, si po e shihni do t? inkuadrohen edhe t? huajt......
Si duket kjo na ?sht? b?r? "domosdoshm?ri", q? n? zgjedhjen ?do "mosmarr?veshjeje" t? na ndihmojn?(imponojn?) t? huajt!?
?- Nj?herit lus administrator?t e faqes q? t? m? shlyejn? nga lista e faqes n? m?nyr? q? t? m? kursejn? ng diskutime t? tilla shterrp?.......
e nderime,
Nexhat Abdiu, Zvic?r...
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Thu May  4 11:48:18 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu May  4 11:48:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Largim nga lista
Message-ID: <200005040703.AA462160202@prishtina.com>

george33030 at yahoo.com has been removed from Prishtina-L. 

Nese edhe dikush tjeter vazhdon diskutimet ne gjuhen angleze, do ta kete fatin e njejte si te "George-it".




From mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch  Thu May  4 11:49:20 2000
From: mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch (Mentor Latifi)
Date: Thu May  4 11:49:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] adresa te grupeve studentore
Message-ID: <39119C0F.14712CA8@stud.unibas.ch>

a mos dine kush ndonje adrese, resp. e-mail, te ndonje grupi studentor nga
prishtina ose ne pergjithesi nga kosova?

mentori




From terakili20 at mbs.fi  Thu May  4 12:03:40 2000
From: terakili20 at mbs.fi (IL)
Date: Thu May  4 12:03:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Largim nga lista
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.20000504185625.4107b0d8@mercuria.mbs.fi>

Pun? me mend!

At 07:03 4.5.2000 -0400, you wrote:
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>george33030 at yahoo.com has been removed from Prishtina-L. 
>
>Nese edhe dikush tjeter vazhdon diskutimet ne gjuhen angleze, do ta kete
fatin e njejte si te "George-it".
>
>
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Thu May  4 12:58:40 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu May  4 12:58:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: [NYC-L] IOM/OKR (Out of Kosovo Registration)
Message-ID: <200005041249.AA8585726@prishtina.com>

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "OKR-Helpdesk" <OKR-Helpdesk at gmx.net>
Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:45:46 +0200

          === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===


E/i nderuara/i Zonje/Zoteri

Na lejoni te ju informojme se regjistrimi i VOTUESVE kosovare jashte Kosoves
behet vetem permes POSTES ose FAKS-it, duke plotesuar FORMULARET perkates si
dhe duke ia bashkangjitur formulareve edhe fotokopjet e dokumentacionit
perkates.

Fatkeqesisht regjistrimi nuk mund te behet permes internetit pasi qe sic u
permend me lart, na duhen fotokopjet e dokumenteve perkatese.

Udhezimet per plotesimin e formulareve i keni ne anen e pasme te formularit.
Formularet si dhe informatoret tjere relevant, poashtu edhe informatoret per
Studente ne shkollim te perkohshem jashte Kosoves mund ti gjeni prane
shoqatave e asociacioneve te ndryshme kosovare ne rrethinat tuaja.

Eshte me rendesi qe te permendet qe FORMULARET mund edhe te fotokopjohen dhe
te perdoren si te tille..

Perdoruesit e internetit mund ti gjejne formularet ne gjuhen shqipe si dhe
te gjithe informatoret e nevojshem ( te gjitha keto ne gjuhen shqipe) ne
adresen e internetit ne :

<http://www.osce.org/kosovo/elections/registration/okr/index.htm>

Na lejoni qe t?ua bejme te qarte, se jashte Kosoves behet vetem regjistrimi
i VOTUESVE kosovar per zgjedhjet e ardhshme komunale e jo edhe regjistrimi
CIVIL i popullates. Regjistrimi CIVIL i popullates behet vetem ne Kosove.

Adresa ku duhet te dergohen formularet se bashku me kopjet e dokumenteve
eshte:

IOM/OKR
OF 609, A-1040
Vienna , Austria

Formularet se bashku me fotokopjet e dokumenteve mund ti dergoni edhe ne
faks-in:

Faks.:+43 1 503 15 33

Ne vazhdim po ua japim disa numra te telefonave ku mund ti merrni te gjitha
informatat e nevojshme:

Qendra e Regjistrimit te Kosovareve jashte Kosoves
IOM/OKR VIENNA
+43 1 503 15 09
+43 1 503 15 11
 e-mail: okr-helpdesk at gmx.net


Zyrja ne Berlin
+49 (30) 278 778 88

Zyrja ne Bruksel
+32 (2) 230 27 24
+32 (2) 230 27 37

Zyrja ne Zheneve
+41 (22) 717 95 05
+41 (22) 717 94 00

Zyrja ne Rome
+39 (06) 442 31 428

Zyrja ne Washington
+1 877 691 28 62

Me nderime:
IOM/OKR Vienna



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From neab at freesurf.ch  Thu May  4 13:55:45 2000
From: neab at freesurf.ch (Presheva Info)
Date: Thu May  4 13:55:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?E_Mail-i_i_RTK-s=EB?=
Message-ID: <003301bfb5ee$d43748a0$41cee6c2@compuneab>

A ka  E Mail RTK - ja dhe a e din dikush ate.....?
Me nderime N.A.
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From drin at usa.com  Thu May  4 21:19:43 2000
From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU)
Date: Thu May  4 21:19:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Largim nga lista
Message-ID: <381183670.957477136263.JavaMail.root@web135-mc.mail.com>

Pse Dardan e hjeke Gjorgjin, Le le t'hin prap n'lis? e t'kena me kon me lujt
q....
------Original Message------
From: "Dardan Blaku" <dardan at prishtina.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: May 4, 2000 11:03:18 AM GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Largim nga lista


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george33030 at yahoo.com has been removed from Prishtina-L.

Nese edhe dikush tjeter vazhdon diskutimet ne gjuhen angleze, do ta kete
fatin e njejte si te "George-it".


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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Fri May  5 11:23:40 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Fri May  5 11:23:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] italian
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005050912450.579776-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

Ne artikullin e botuar ne revisten italiane "Panorama" thuhet se NATO po
kerkon nje konflikt tjeter, dhe se US dhe UK kane derguar tashme
keshilltaret ushtarake tek presidenti malazez Gjukanovi?. 

http://www.mondadori.com/panorama/area_2/area_2_4946.htm





From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon May  8 00:43:03 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon May  8 00:43:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] kerkim librash
Message-ID: <v04003a00b53beeed2153@[165.247.97.46]>

Jungjatjeta,

jam duke i kerkuar tre libra nga Shkelzen Maliqi, i pari me titull "Nyja e
Kosoves", i dyti "Albanski Ghandizam", ndersa i treti "Conflict or
Dialogue: Serbian-Albanian Relations and Integration of the Balkans"
(redaktuar bashke me Dushan Janjiqin). Do t'i isha mirenjohes kujtdo qe
mund te me ndihmoje me ndonje informate se ku mund t'i gjeje keta libra.

Falimnderit,
Besniku





From juniku at hotmail.com  Mon May  8 01:07:54 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Mon May  8 01:07:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kerkim librash
Message-ID: <20000508050739.51064.qmail@hotmail.com>

Besnik,

jam i sigurte se librin e trete- Relacionet shqiptaro-serbe- e kam ne 
biblioteken time ne Gjermani. Antoni ose Xheki ose Beqa do te duhej ti kene 
te tria. Shkruaj Antonit ne antoni at journalist.com dhe pyete! Nese nuk i ka 
te gjitha ose asnjeren nga librat pyete per adresen e Xhekit dhe kerko nga 
Xheki te ta dergoje librin e trete nga biblioteka ime.

Te fala.

Uki


>>Jungjatjeta,
>
>jam duke i kerkuar tre libra nga Shkelzen Maliqi, i pari me titull "Nyja e
>Kosoves", i dyti "Albanski Ghandizam", ndersa i treti "Conflict or
>Dialogue: Serbian-Albanian Relations and Integration of the Balkans"
>(redaktuar bashke me Dushan Janjiqin). Do t'i isha mirenjohes kujtdo qe
>mund te me ndihmoje me ndonje informate se ku mund t'i gjeje keta libra.
>
>Falimnderit,
>Besniku
>

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From besnik at alb-net.com  Wed May 10 18:51:16 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Wed May 10 18:51:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <v04003a00b53f9859163a@[165.247.97.163]>

Vazhdojn? hetimet pas p?rleshjes s? dy bandave shqiptare n? Britani

Prishtin?, 10 maj (QIK) - Policia britanike n? provinc?n Uilltsher thot? se
po vazhdon hetimet mbi shkaqet e p?rleshjeve dit?n e h?n? n? qytetin Suinden
mes dy bandave t? cil?suara si shqiptare nga Kosova, njofton BBC. Hetimet po
vazhdojn? ende p?r shkak t? v?shtir?sive n? p?rkthime gjat? seancave t?
marrjes n? pyetje. Nd?rkoh? policia ka arrestuar 10 shqiptar?.
Ngjarja ka ndodhur n? nj? qend?r tregtare, kur dy grupe shqiptar?sh nga
Kosova u p?rlesh?n me nj?ri tjetrin me shufra hekuri, me thika e madje edhe
me nj? shpat? e cil?suar si shpat? e samurait japonez. N? k?t? p?rleshje
jan? plagosur dy vet?.





From BShehu7580 at aol.com  Wed May 10 20:57:22 2000
From: BShehu7580 at aol.com (BShehu7580 at aol.com)
Date: Wed May 10 20:57:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <e8.4367a13.264b5f64@aol.com>

    habitem...autoritetet e Uilltsher-it s'paskan mesuar shqip 
akoma...!!!..apo... ato shqiptaret flisnin vetem me gjuhen e tingujve dhe 
shenjave...;) hummm...kjo e dyta duket si me e pranueshme



From valon5 at email.com  Thu May 11 06:13:42 2000
From: valon5 at email.com (Valon Hamiti)
Date: Thu May 11 06:13:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <381442224.958040020316.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01>

Te nderuar vellezer, 
veq sa per tju kujtuar se ne angli jane mbi 15000 shqiptar te shqiprise qe paraqiten si kosovar per ti fituar te drejtat e azilit dhe te ndihmave sociale.
Ma merr mandja se kuptohet kush jane njerezit ne keto banda edhe a jane nga kosova a jo!

Pershendetje

Valoni

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To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Sent: May 10, 2000 10:52:40 PM GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors


             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

Vazhdojn? hetimet pas p?rleshjes s? dy bandave shqiptare n? Britani

Prishtin?, 10 maj (QIK) - Policia britanike n? provinc?n Uilltsher thot? se
po vazhdon hetimet mbi shkaqet e p?rleshjeve dit?n e h?n? n? qytetin Suinden
mes dy bandave t? cil?suara si shqiptare nga Kosova, njofton BBC. Hetimet po
vazhdojn? ende p?r shkak t? v?shtir?sive n? p?rkthime gjat? seancave t?
marrjes n? pyetje. Nd?rkoh? policia ka arrestuar 10 shqiptar?.
Ngjarja ka ndodhur n? nj? qend?r tregtare, kur dy grupe shqiptar?sh nga
Kosova u p?rlesh?n me nj?ri tjetrin me shufra hekuri, me thika e madje edhe
me nj? shpat? e cil?suar si shpat? e samurait japonez. N? k?t? p?rleshje
jan? plagosur dy vet?.



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From berisha at telia.com  Thu May 11 06:14:53 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Thu May 11 06:14:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
In-Reply-To: <v04003a00b53f9859163a@[165.247.97.163]>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEOEJBCAAA.berisha@telia.com>

Perleshje te tilla ndodhin n? mesin e qdo grupi, por? ?sht? fatkeq?si se si
n? k?te koh? kur? bota i ka t? kthyer syt nga ne si n? Kosov? ashtu edhe ne
ato vende t? cilat gjindemi nuk b?hen perpjekje q? ti evitojm k?to dukuri qe
e damtojn? emrin ton?. N? vend qe ti b?jm? k?to perpjekje jemi epur pas?
profitit
personal, dhe nuk brengosemi p?r damet qe sjellin dukuri t? tilla.
N? Suedi ku un? jetoj, ka dukuri t? tilla qe fatkeq?sisht? jan? aq? t? ulta
dhe
jo civilizuese nj?koh?sisht aq irituese saq? edhe at? pak simpati qe u
krijua tek
populli suedez p?r ne shqiptar?t po vorroset dita-dit?s.

Do t? kisha deshir? qe qdo nj?ri nga ne t? ngreh z?rin p?r dukuri t? tilla
qe
damtojn? imigjin tan? si popull n? syt? e k?saj bote qe ?sht? aq e zgjut?.

Pershendetje nga jashar Berisha/Suedi

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[mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Besnik Pula
Sent: den 11 maj 2000 00:53
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors


             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

Vazhdojn? hetimet pas p?rleshjes s? dy bandave shqiptare n? Britani

Prishtin?, 10 maj (QIK) - Policia britanike n? provinc?n Uilltsher thot? se
po vazhdon hetimet mbi shkaqet e p?rleshjeve dit?n e h?n? n? qytetin Suinden
mes dy bandave t? cil?suara si shqiptare nga Kosova, njofton BBC. Hetimet po
vazhdojn? ende p?r shkak t? v?shtir?sive n? p?rkthime gjat? seancave t?
marrjes n? pyetje. Nd?rkoh? policia ka arrestuar 10 shqiptar?.
Ngjarja ka ndodhur n? nj? qend?r tregtare, kur dy grupe shqiptar?sh nga
Kosova u p?rlesh?n me nj?ri tjetrin me shufra hekuri, me thika e madje edhe
me nj? shpat? e cil?suar si shpat? e samurait japonez. N? k?t? p?rleshje
jan? plagosur dy vet?.



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From berisha at telia.com  Thu May 11 06:15:31 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Thu May 11 06:15:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
In-Reply-To: <e8.4367a13.264b5f64@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEEEJCCAAA.berisha@telia.com>

Perleshje te tilla ndodhin n? mesin e qdo grupi, por? ?sht? fatkeq?si se si
n? k?te koh? kur? bota i ka t? kthyer syt nga ne si n? Kosov? ashtu edhe ne
ato vende t? cilat gjindemi nuk b?hen perpjekje q? ti evitojm k?to dukuri qe
e damtojn? emrin ton?. N? vend qe ti b?jm? k?to perpjekje jemi epur pas?
profitit
personal, dhe nuk brengosemi p?r damet qe sjellin dukuri t? tilla.
N? Suedi ku un? jetoj, ka dukuri t? tilla qe fatkeq?sisht? jan? aq? t? ulta
dhe
jo civilizuese nj?koh?sisht aq irituese saq? edhe at? pak simpati qe u
krijua tek
populli suedez p?r ne shqiptar?t po vorroset dita-dit?s.

Do t? kisha deshir? qe qdo nj?ri nga ne t? ngreh z?rin p?r dukuri t? tilla
qe
damtojn? imigjin tan? si popull n? syt? e k?saj bote qe ?sht? aq e zgjut?.

Pershendetje nga jashar Berisha/Suedi



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    habitem...autoritetet e Uilltsher-it s'paskan mesuar shqip
akoma...!!!..apo... ato shqiptaret flisnin vetem me gjuhen e tingujve dhe
shenjave...;) hummm...kjo e dyta duket si me e pranueshme

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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu May 11 11:23:30 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu May 11 11:23:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fw: Kosovo question
Message-ID: <00c001bfbb4f$a18dd2a0$69aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

this is the reply I received from christian science monitor

-----Original Message-----
From: Broman-Worthington, Kristen <Worthink at csps.com>
To: 'aqeli1 at uic.edu' <aqeli1 at uic.edu>
Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:43 AM
Subject: Kosovo question


>Dear Mr. Qeli,
>Thanks for your query on the Kosovo article by Richard Mertens. He says
>American officials in Kosovo dont want him to name the State Dept official
>who is also a Serb Orthodox priest for security reasons.
>
>The situation does sound odd, but it's not unheard of. During the US and UN
>intervention in Somalia, the son of faction leader Mohammad Farah Aideed
was
>in the contingent of US Marines that served in Somalia.
>
>Cheers,
>Kristen Broman Worthington
>Europe desk editor
>




From vali2k at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 11:31:56 2000
From: vali2k at hotmail.com (val alba)
Date: Thu May 11 11:31:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <20000511134507.55061.qmail@hotmail.com>

Tung te gjitheve
Ne respekt te temes nuk kisha ndryshuar asgje nga korespondenca e
Valonit duke qene se jetoj edhe vet ne Angli dhe plotesisht pajtohem
me konkludimin e tije.Konfliktet e tilla jane te shpeshta dhe 99.99%
autore jane "kosovaret"


>From: Valon Hamiti <valon5 at email.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>Te nderuar vellezer,
>veq sa per tju kujtuar se ne angli jane mbi 15000 shqiptar te shqiprise qe 
>paraqiten si kosovar per ti fituar te drejtat e azilit dhe te ndihmave 
>sociale.
>Ma merr mandja se kuptohet kush jane njerezit ne keto banda edhe a jane nga 
>kosova a jo!
>
>Pershendetje
>
>Valoni
>
>------Original Message------
>From: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Sent: May 10, 2000 10:52:40 PM GMT
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>
>
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>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Vazhdojn? hetimet pas p?rleshjes s? dy bandave shqiptare n? Britani
>
>Prishtin?, 10 maj (QIK) - Policia britanike n? provinc?n Uilltsher thot? se
>po vazhdon hetimet mbi shkaqet e p?rleshjeve dit?n e h?n? n? qytetin 
>Suinden
>mes dy bandave t? cil?suara si shqiptare nga Kosova, njofton BBC. Hetimet 
>po
>vazhdojn? ende p?r shkak t? v?shtir?sive n? p?rkthime gjat? seancave t?
>marrjes n? pyetje. Nd?rkoh? policia ka arrestuar 10 shqiptar?.
>Ngjarja ka ndodhur n? nj? qend?r tregtare, kur dy grupe shqiptar?sh nga
>Kosova u p?rlesh?n me nj?ri tjetrin me shufra hekuri, me thika e madje edhe
>me nj? shpat? e cil?suar si shpat? e samurait japonez. N? k?t? p?rleshje
>jan? plagosur dy vet?.
>
>
>
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From lindi60 at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 12:23:34 2000
From: lindi60 at hotmail.com (lindita lushaj)
Date: Thu May 11 12:23:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fw: Kosovo question
Message-ID: <20000511162303.40693.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "Albi Qeli" <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>, "Etrit Bardhi" <etrit at alb-net.com>
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fw: Kosovo question
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:48:40 -0700
>
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>
>this is the reply I received from christian science monitor
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Broman-Worthington, Kristen <Worthink at csps.com>
>To: 'aqeli1 at uic.edu' <aqeli1 at uic.edu>
>Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:43 AM
>Subject: Kosovo question
>
>
> >Dear Mr. Qeli,
> >Thanks for your query on the Kosovo article by Richard Mertens. He says
> >American officials in Kosovo dont want him to name the State Dept 
>official
> >who is also a Serb Orthodox priest for security reasons.
> >
> >The situation does sound odd, but it's not unheard of. During the US and 
>UN
> >intervention in Somalia, the son of faction leader Mohammad Farah Aideed
>was
> >in the contingent of US Marines that served in Somalia.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kristen Broman Worthington
> >Europe desk editor
> >
>
>
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 12:34:25 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu May 11 12:34:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <20000511122958.49333.qmail@hotmail.com>

Valoni ka te drejte. Me teper se 95% te Shqipetareve t'Kosoves ne UK jetojne 
ne dhe shume afer Londres.


>From: Valon Hamiti <valon5 at email.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 06:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Te nderuar vellezer,
>veq sa per tju kujtuar se ne angli jane mbi 15000 shqiptar te shqiprise qe 
>paraqiten si kosovar per ti fituar te drejtat e azilit dhe te ndihmave 
>sociale.
>Ma merr mandja se kuptohet kush jane njerezit ne keto banda edhe a jane nga 
>kosova a jo!
>
>Pershendetje
>
>Valoni
>
>------Original Message------
>From: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Sent: May 10, 2000 10:52:40 PM GMT
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Vazhdojn? hetimet pas p?rleshjes s? dy bandave shqiptare n? Britani
>
>Prishtin?, 10 maj (QIK) - Policia britanike n? provinc?n Uilltsher thot? se
>po vazhdon hetimet mbi shkaqet e p?rleshjeve dit?n e h?n? n? qytetin 
>Suinden
>mes dy bandave t? cil?suara si shqiptare nga Kosova, njofton BBC. Hetimet 
>po
>vazhdojn? ende p?r shkak t? v?shtir?sive n? p?rkthime gjat? seancave t?
>marrjes n? pyetje. Nd?rkoh? policia ka arrestuar 10 shqiptar?.
>Ngjarja ka ndodhur n? nj? qend?r tregtare, kur dy grupe shqiptar?sh nga
>Kosova u p?rlesh?n me nj?ri tjetrin me shufra hekuri, me thika e madje edhe
>me nj? shpat? e cil?suar si shpat? e samurait japonez. N? k?t? p?rleshje
>jan? plagosur dy vet?.
>
>
>
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu May 11 12:36:53 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu May 11 12:36:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Fw: Kosovo question
In-Reply-To: <00c001bfbb4f$a18dd2a0$69aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005111235250.2787-100000@alb-net.com>

This is a very interesting response!  Thanks Albi.  I think we should do
some more research in seeing who this State Dept official is.  Maybe the
NAAC in Washington can get some info.

Etrit.

On Thu, 11 May 2000, Albi Qeli wrote:

> this is the reply I received from christian science monitor
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Broman-Worthington, Kristen <Worthink at csps.com>
> To: 'aqeli1 at uic.edu' <aqeli1 at uic.edu>
> Date: Thursday, May 11, 2000 4:43 AM
> Subject: Kosovo question
> 
> 
> >Dear Mr. Qeli,
> >Thanks for your query on the Kosovo article by Richard Mertens. He says
> >American officials in Kosovo dont want him to name the State Dept official
> >who is also a Serb Orthodox priest for security reasons.
> >
> >The situation does sound odd, but it's not unheard of. During the US and UN
> >intervention in Somalia, the son of faction leader Mohammad Farah Aideed
> was
> >in the contingent of US Marines that served in Somalia.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Kristen Broman Worthington
> >Europe desk editor
> >
> 




From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 12:57:19 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 12:57:19 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <20000511165615.86608.qmail@hotmail.com>

>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:29:58 PDT
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>Valoni ka te drejte. Me teper se 95% te Shqipetareve t'Kosoves ne UK 
>jetojne ne dhe shume afer Londres.

Albert

Besoj se edhe pa kontributin tend do ta kishim ditur se shumica e shqiptarve 
ne Angli jetojne ne dhe rreth Londres.  Nuk po mund ta kuptoj a je ti i 
verber, injorant apo vetem i trashe ne koke.  Poenta eshte se:

1. Te gjithe shqiptaret e shqiperise paraqiten ne UK si Kosovare.
2. Disa prej tyre mirren me prostitucion dhe kriminalitet dhe kur zihe 
mediat lajmrojne per ta se jane Kosovar.
3.  Ti ndoshta nuk e din por ka tash dy vite qe inner London boroughs i 
dergojne te gjitha azilantet, kosovar e shqipetar te shqiperise jashte 
Londres, pastaj Swindon eshte 50 milja jashte Londres keshtu qe spo e kuptoj 
poenten tende.

Ne si kosovare na pengon ky fakt se reputacioni yne ne Angli po vuan nga 
kjo.  Ne e kuptojme se Shqiptaret e Shqiperise e kan hallin e tyre dhe kan 
arsye te kerkojne azil ne Britani, por nuk mundemi te simpatizojme me 
elementin kriminel mes tyre.

Shpresoj se e ke te qarte tani apo jo?!?

Tjeter here mos u gut me i kontribu ksaj liste se po na mbushet inboxi me 
pallavra.

Te falenderoj per mirkuptim.

Jetemiri
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From berisha at telia.com  Thu May 11 15:48:37 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Thu May 11 15:48:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
In-Reply-To: <20000511165615.86608.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEMEJDCAAA.berisha@telia.com>

Jetmirit

Po qfar? r?ndesie ka se a ?sht? shqiptar i Shqip?ris, Kosov?s, Maqedonis,
malit t? Zi, Londres apo Berlinit.

Baba im thot? kur? ?sht? fjala p?r Krahasime.
Shqip?tar i shqip?ris apo shqip?tar i Kosov?s: MERRE NJE MOLL E NDAJE
PERGJYSM?, kur? ?sht? fjala p?r krahasime t? mira
ndersa p?r krahasime t? keqija thot?: MERRE NJ? M... E NDAJE PERGJYSM?..
M... ANDEJ E M....K?NDEJ.
Qka pretendon t? thush?, mos? ndoshta se ne kosovar?t jemi ma t? mir?, ma t?
sjellshem apo m? t? bukur?, nese mendon? k?shtu
e ke gabim.
Ajo se qka ?sht? interesant ne k?t? rast ?shte se ne duhet t? japim
kontributin ton aty ku jemi dhe ta ngritim imigjin ton
si popull qe dita dit?s po zbehet dhe kur shum? instanca shtet?rore t? shum?
shteteve Evropjane pore edhe m? gj?r, Problemin
e identifikojn? me shqiptar?...
Ta kesh parasysh? se qka m? thot baba im mua, besoj se nj? gj? t? till? e ke
ndegjuar? edhe ti nga babai yt.

-----Original Message-----
From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
[mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Jetemir Balaj
Sent: den 11 maj 2000 19:56
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)


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>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:29:58 PDT
>
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>
>Valoni ka te drejte. Me teper se 95% te Shqipetareve t'Kosoves ne UK
>jetojne ne dhe shume afer Londres.

Albert

Besoj se edhe pa kontributin tend do ta kishim ditur se shumica e shqiptarve
ne Angli jetojne ne dhe rreth Londres.  Nuk po mund ta kuptoj a je ti i
verber, injorant apo vetem i trashe ne koke.  Poenta eshte se:

1. Te gjithe shqiptaret e shqiperise paraqiten ne UK si Kosovare.
2. Disa prej tyre mirren me prostitucion dhe kriminalitet dhe kur zihe
mediat lajmrojne per ta se jane Kosovar.
3.  Ti ndoshta nuk e din por ka tash dy vite qe inner London boroughs i
dergojne te gjitha azilantet, kosovar e shqipetar te shqiperise jashte
Londres, pastaj Swindon eshte 50 milja jashte Londres keshtu qe spo e kuptoj
poenten tende.

Ne si kosovare na pengon ky fakt se reputacioni yne ne Angli po vuan nga
kjo.  Ne e kuptojme se Shqiptaret e Shqiperise e kan hallin e tyre dhe kan
arsye te kerkojne azil ne Britani, por nuk mundemi te simpatizojme me
elementin kriminel mes tyre.

Shpresoj se e ke te qarte tani apo jo?!?

Tjeter here mos u gut me i kontribu ksaj liste se po na mbushet inboxi me
pallavra.

Te falenderoj per mirkuptim.

Jetemiri
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From puka at usa.net  Thu May 11 16:07:36 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Thu May 11 16:07:36 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <20000511200734.8908.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net>

Shumica shqiptarve nga Kosova kur e krahasohin shqiperine me Kosoven e marrin
dy ekstremet, pershembul e paramendojin naj Prishtinali te shkollum dhe e
krahasojin me najnjo te varfer shqipnise pa shkolle qe mirret me dalavera
neper rruget e Tiranes. Shqipnija ka edhe shmekerat e vet neper qytete, ka
klasen e shkollum edhe kosmopolitan (edi se kom jetu 1 vjet atje). Pse spe
merni parasyshe najnjo qashtu me naj selak kosoves qe vjen ne Prishtine e
bertet "Oj nooowwwnneeee gjuma do byyyykkee" e ja gjune nona prej katit 9
baneses. 

>Baba im thot? kur? ?sht? fjala p?r Krahasime.
>Shqip?tar i shqip?ris apo shqip?tar i Kosov?s: MERRE NJE MOLL E NDAJE
>PERGJYSM?, kur? ?sht? fjala p?r krahasime t? mira
>ndersa p?r krahasime t? keqija thot?: MERRE NJ? M... E NDAJE PERGJYSM?..
>M... ANDEJ E M....K?NDEJ.



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From kosova at jps.net  Thu May 11 16:10:27 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Thu May 11 16:10:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Vendimi_i_Senatit_p=EBr_Kosov=EBn_?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFOEEHCOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Vendimi i Senatit p?r Kosov?n
zemron Sht?pin? e Bardh? dhe Pentagonin

Isuf Hajrizi (P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?)

WASHINGTON, 11 maj, 2000

	Vendimi q? mori Senati amerikan t? mart?n p?r t? kusht?zuar financimin e
misionit ushtarak n? Kosov? e ka zemruar Sht?pin? e Bardh? dhe Pentagonin.
Sipas amandamentit t? miratuar n? Senat (me vot? 23 p?r dhe 3 kund?r)
parashihet t?rheqja e forcave amerikane nga Kosova, po q? se Kongresi nuk e
miraton q?ndrimin e tyre.  Ky vendim, thon? qeveritar?t, do t? d?rgon sinjal
t? gabuesh?m tek armiku.
	"Kjo vot? tani mund t? d?rgoj? mesazh t? gabuesh?m tek armiqt p?r ato q?
kemi b?r? atje, tek Millosheviqi dhe t? tjer?t dhe gjithashtu do t? d?rgon
mezazh t? gabuesh?m tek ushtar?t tan? t? cil?t atje po b?jn? pun? t?
r?nd?sishme.," deklaroi Xho Llakhart (Joe Lockhart), z?dh?n?s i Sht?pis? s?
Bardh?.  Drejtori i buxhetit p?r Sht?pin? e Bardh? Xhak Lu (Jacob "Jack"
Lew) tha se nj? propozim i till? "?sht? tejet kund?produktiv dhe i forcon
ata q? po presin p?r ne q? t? largohemi."  Deklarata t? ngjashme kan? ardhur
edhe nga Pentagoni.
	Amandamentin p?r kufizimin e misionit amerikan n? Kosov? e paraqiti
senatori demokrat nga shteti Virgjinia Per?ndimore, Robert Byrd, i cili e
p?rpiloi k?t? pjes? legjislature bashk? m? kryetarin e komisionit t? Senatit
p?r armatim, Xhohn Uorner, republikan nga Virgjinia.  Dokumenti n? fjal?
?sht? pjes? e fondit prej 8 miliard? dollar?sh ku p?rfshihen, p?rvec
Kosov?s, edhe lufta kund?r drog?s n? shtetin e Amerik?s Latine, Kolumbia,
dhe ndihma p?r viktimat e sht?rgat?s s? ashtuquajtu Fllojd dhe fatkeq?sit e
tjera q? kan? goditur Amerik?n vitin e kaluar.  Fondi i aprovuar ?sht? m? i
vog?l se sa ai prej 13 miliard? dollar?ve q? e pat aprovuar Dhoma e
P?rfaq?sues?ve, por n? t? njejt?n koh? ?sht? m? shum? p?r 5 miliard? m? i
madh se sa fundi q? ka k?rkuar presidenti. Fonti i propozuar p?r Kosov?n
?sht? diku rreth 2 miliard? dollar?.
	Senatori Byrd ?sht? i njohur si "luftarak" dhe i cili ?sht? vet?-emruar si
"mbrojt?s" i rolit t? Kongresit n? politik?n e jashtme dhe n? l?min e
ushtris?.  Fakti q? ?sht? nj? demokrat q? e ka paraqitur amandamentin dhe
fakti q? disponimi i shumic?s republikane dhe rritja e numrit t?
demokrate?ve kund?r angazhimit t? forcave amerikane n? Ballkan, seriozisht
mund ta kufizoj? pun?n e qeveris? n? plot?simin e synimeve p?r paqe dhe
rind?rtim n? rajon.  Fakti q? disa senator? si Miq M?kan?ll (Mitch
McConnell), nj? p?rkrah?s i c?shtjes shqiptare deri me tani, tregon se
c?shtja ?sht? m? serioze se sa duket n? shikim t? par?.  Po q? se ky
amandament do t? shd?rrohej n? ligj, do t? nd?rpritej financimi p?r
vazhdimin e misionit amerikan n? Kosov? deri n? vitin 2001.  Amandamenti
gjithashtu do t? ndalonte disa fonde p?r Kosov?n deri sa Presidenti Klinton
apo pasardh?si i tij t? mos marr? miratimin e kongresit p?r mbajtjen e
m?tutjeshme t? forcave ushtarake n? Kosov?.
	Amandamenti i Senatit duhet t? kaloj? n?p?r disa faza para se t? b?het
ligj.  Me q? amandamenti t? mart?n u miratua vet?m n? njer?n nga komitetet e
Senatit, p?r te n? t? ardhm?n do t? votoj? i t?r? Senati, me c'rast
amandamenti n? fjal? mund t? ndryshoj? apo edhe t? anulohet t?r?sisht.
Dhoma e P?rfaq?suesve muajin e kaluar vet?m me 19 vota m? shum? "kund?r" nuk
e aprovoi t? njejtin amandament.
	Po q? se amandamenti i Senatorit Byrd aprovohet siq ?sht? paraqitur, pastaj
t? dy dhumat e Kongresit -- Senati dhe Dhoma e P?rfaq?suesve - do t? b?jn?
negoiciata p?r gjuh?n p?rfundimtare n? te.  Ka gjasa q? Dhoma e
P?rfaq?suesve do ta humb betej?n n? k?t? rast sepse republikan?t q? jan?
shumic? e p?rkrahin amandamentin e Senatorit Byrd dhe ata gjithashtu e kan?
t? drejt?n e em?rimit t? negociator?ve.
	Mir?po edhe Sht?pia e Bardh? ka mund?si ta p?rdor? influenc?n e vet n?
pengimin e aprovimit t? amandamentit n? fjal? duke u k?rc?nuar me "veton" e
saj p?r ta anuluar n? fund amandamentin.  Administrata gjithashtu do t?
thirret n? anketat e realizuara koh?ve t? fundit me votuesit amerikan t?
cil?t e p?rkrahin q?ndrimin e forcave amerikane n? Kosov? deri sa t?
vendoset nj? sistem demokratik dhe t? sigurohet paqa n? rajon.
	Senati fillimisht e ka autorizuar fushat?n e mombardimit nga ajri kund?r
forcave serbe me 23 mars t? vitit t? kaluar, por nuk e ka autorizuar
pjes?marrjen pa afat t? caktuar t? trupave amerikane n? Kosov?.





From kosova at jps.net  Thu May 11 16:10:37 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Thu May 11 16:10:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?B?kVTrIGhhcnJ1YXJpdJIgdGFuaSBu6yBsaXN0624gZSBuZOtya29tYg==?=
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Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFAEEICOAA.kosova@jps.net>

?T? harruarit? tani n? list?n e nd?rkomb?tar?ve
Por sa do t? b?het n? k?t? drejtim?

Isuf Hajrizi
(10 Maj 2000, Uashington)
P?r revist?n ?Z?ri?, Prishtin?

	Kur Misioni i Kombeve t? Bashkuara (UNMIK) u vendos n? Kosov? ver?n e
kalur, ??shtja e t? burgoru?ve shqiptar? n? Serbi nuk figuronte n? list?n e
gj?rave "p?r t? b?r?."
	Jav?n e kaluar, me t'u kthyer n? Nju Jork nga vizita tri-dit?she n? Kosov?,
ambasadori q? udh?hoqi delegacionin e K?shillit t? Sigurimit tha se gj?ja m?
e r?nd?sishme tani p?r UNMIK-un ?sht? angazhimi p?r lirimin e t? burgosur?ve
t? cil?t qe nj? vit mbahen n? burgjet serbe.  An?tar?ve t? delegacionit, tha
ai, u kishte "dh?mbsur zemra" kur kishin par? qindra familje me fotografit?
e t? af?rmeve t? tyre n? k?rkes? t? liris? p?r ta.
	Nd?rkomb?tar?t vazhdimisht e kan? rezistuar angazhimin p?r t? burgosurit me
arsyetimin se ata nuk kishin marr?dh?nje diplomatike me Serbin?.  Puna
filloi nga aktivist? t? rendomt?, qytetar? t? shqet?suar q? nuk ishin
pjestar? t? ndonj? organizate q? do t? duhej t? merrej me pun? t? tilla.  M?
von? nga trysnia e vazhdueshme e k?tyre aktivist?ve mbi zyrat e
insitucioneve n? Uashington (Departmentin e shtetit), n? Nju Jork (Kombet e
Bashkuara) dhe Gjenev? filloi t? rrokullisej ngadal? topi i angazhimit t? t?
zyrtar?ve n? pozita t? insitucioneve m? t? larta.

Nj? nism? e vog?l por me vler? n? Amerik?

	Ishte data 12 qershor, 1999, dhe nj? gazetar n? Nju Jork po bisedonte me dy
aktiviste p?r t? drejtat e njeriut-- nj?ra nga Kalifornia, Naida Dukaj dhe
tjetra nga shteti Maine, Alis? Mid? (Alice Mead).  Tema e bised?s s? tyre
nuk preokuponte shum? njer?z n? at? koh?.  T? burgosurit politik? nuk ishin
nj? ??shtje par?sore p?r NATO-n, kur vet?m nj? dit? m? par? ishte n?nshkruar
marr?veshja n? Kumanov? dhe ku nuk ishte e par? e udh?s q? fati i mij?ra t?
burgosur?ve dhe t? zhdukur?ve shqiptar? t? parashtrohej si pjes? e
marr?veshjes.   Kishin kaluar dy jav? dhe bashk?bideduesit e dat?s 12
pyesnin se si ishte e mundur q? askush ende nuk i kishte p?rmendur t?
burgosurit -- as Shtetet e Bashkuara, as evropian?t, as serb?t dhe as
shqiptar?t?  Pyetja pa pap?rgjigje sillej v?rdall? -- kush do t? merrej me
k?t? ??shtje dhe kur?
	Po kalonin dit?t, pastaj edhe jav?t dhe ??shtja e t? burgosur?ve vazhdonte
t? mbetej n? heshtje nga komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar e n? t? shumt?n e rasteve
edhe nga politikan?t dhe aktivist?t shqiptar?.
	Dukaj dhe Mid? n? koordimin me Prishtin?n themeluan shoqat?n "elektronike"
p?r t? burgosurit.  Pra u hap faqja elektronike "web page" ku p?rveq
infomacionit p?r t? burgosurit q? jepej n? m?nyr? t? rregullt p?rmes
broshur?s javore n? k?t? faqe, AlbNet, lexues? nga t?r? bota n?nshkruanin
peticionin e bashkangjitur drejtuar zyrtar?ve t? NATO-s, Amerik?s
organizatave evropiane dhe Kombeve t? Bashkuara q? t? vepronin p?r lirimin e
t? burgosur?ve t? cil?ve tash iu referohej si pengje, sepse ata ishin t?
till?.  Me grupin nism?tar filluan t? bashk?punojn? organizata qeveritare
dhe zyrtar? qeveritar? n? Uashington dhe Evrop?.
	U mblodh?n mij?ra n?nshkrime, filloi komunikimi nd?rshtet?ror dhe pasuan
demostrata t? vogla aty k?tu n? Amerik?, Evrop? dhe n?p?r Kosov? q? i b?nin
thirrje bot?s q? t? mos injoroheshin "t? harruarit" e Kosov?s. Demostratat
m? von? u rrit?n, t? shoq?ruara ndonj?her? me greva urie, por krahas tyre
intensifikohej edhe gjykimi i t? burgosur?ve n? Serbi.  Disa aty-k?tu edhe
liroheshin.  Beogradi me mjeshtri d?shironte q? t? linte p?rshtypjen se nuk
d?nonte t? gjith? p?r shkak t? p?rkat?sis? etnike.
	Komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar filloj t? zgjohej ngadal? nga gjumi kur Flora
Brovina d?nohet me 12 vjet burg.  Syt? e organizatave nd?rkomb?tare u hap?n
m? tutje kur m? von? denohet Albin Kurti, t? cilin e njihnin shum? nga
pjestar?t e organizatave t? ndryshme n? Evrop? dhe Amerik? deri tek zyrtar?t
e Departmentit t? shtetit.
	Nd?rsa thirrjet e Brovin?s silleshin rreth ndaljes s? dhun?s dhe pajtimit
midis shqiptar?ve dhe serb?ve, deklaratat e moskompromisit dhe k?mb?ngulja e
Kurtit se gjykimi i shqiptar?ve b?hej vet?m pse ishin shqiptar? kurse ai si
p?rgjigje ndaj akuzave  vendosm?risht thot? se nuk njihte as qeverin? as
shtetin q? e d?nonte tronditi shum? k?nd. Stoicizmi i Kurtit duke mos
k?rkuar m?shir? pse kishte qen? udh?heq?s i l?vizjes s? student?ve kund?r
regjimit serb dhe m? von? z?dh?n?s i U?K-n? si dhe v?rejtjet e tij se lufta
p?r pava?rsin? e Kosov?s do t? vazhdonte, kishte porosi me theks edhe p?r
serb?t edhe p?r nd?rkomb?tar?t:  p?r t? par?t -- ka marr? fund ideja se
shqiptar?t do t? jetojn? n?n Serbi, prandaj filloni meditimin p?r heqjen
dor? nga Kosova, kurse p?r nd?rkomb?tar?t -- injorimi i problemit t? t?
burgosur?ve mund t? shkaktoj? revolt? tek t? rinjt? tjer? n? Kosov? q? do t?
frym?zoheshin nga q?ndrimet e Kurtit dhe kjo mund t? rrezikonte paq?n dhe
bashk? me te edhe misionin e UNMIK-ut dhe t? NATO-s.

Nevoja p?r nj? misionar t? ve?ant

	Delegacionin e K?shillit t? Sigurimit e ka impresionuar masiviteti i
njer?zve n? demostratat kur ata po vizitonin Kosov?n.  An?tar?t e
delegcionit kan? deklaruar se biseda p?r t? burgosurit ishte n? krye t?
list?s s? rendit t? dit?s me secilin q? kishin biseduar -- nga
administratori Kushner n? Prishtin? deri tek kamiongjiu Xhafer n? Gjakov?.
Si p?rfundim, kishin vendosur zyrtar?t e OKB-s?, fati misionit t? UNMIK-ut
tash lidhet drejt? p?r drejt? me fatin e t? burgosur?ve.  N? raportin q?
delegacioni ka paraqitur n? OKB, thuhet se moszgjidhja e c?shtjes s? t?
burgosur?ve p?r UNMIK-un do t? ishte vdekjeprur?se.
	P?r t'u marr? m? seriozisht m? problemin e t? burgosur?ve, n? OKB tash po
diskutohet em?rimi sa m? i shpejt i nj? p?rfaq?suesi t? vecant q? do t?
komunikonte me qeverin? e Beogradit.
	?'?sht? e v?rteta misionari n? fjal? ve? ?sht? emruar nga K?shilli i
Sigurimit me dat?n 6 mars por n? m?nyr? misterioze misioni i tij ka ngelur
aty ku ka filluar.  Misionari asnj?her? nuk ?sht? paraqitur n? sken?n ku ai
do ta fillonte pun?n e tij.
	?sht? fjala p?r suedezin Henrik Amneus.  Pas emrimit t? tij ai do t? duhej
t? udh?tonte n? Prishtin? me p?rfaq?sues?n e OKB-s? zonj?n Meri Robinson.
Mandati i tij ishte i till? q? p?r misionin e tij nuk do t? ekzistonin
kufinj gjeografik, pra ai do t? vepronte n? secilin shtet q? ai e shihte t?
arsyeshme, duke p?rfshir? Serbin?.  Disa n? Uashington spekulojn? se arsyeja
pse Amneus nuk u paraqit n? Prishtin? ishte nisma e zonj?s Barbara Davis,
p?rfaq?suese komisionerit p?r t? drejtat e nj?riut, e cila privatisht kishte
insistuar q? t? mos d?rgohej mdonj? p?rson i ve?ant n? k?t? koh? sepse ajo
kishte besim se p?rmes angazhimit t? saj Millosheviqi do t'i jepte amnesti
pjes?s m? t? madhe t? t? burgosur?ve nga Kosova.
	Mir?po plani i zonj?s Dejvis nuk u realizua, prandaj tani ekzistojn?
shenjat se K?shilli i Sigurimit ?sht? paksa i frutruar dhe d?shiron q? t?
emruarin ta d?rgoj? sa m? par? n? Kosov?.  N? Uashington nuk dihet shum? p?r
k?t? individ.  Mandej, edhe pse Kushneri e ka b?r? lajm?rimin n? TV se zoti
Amneus ?sht? emruar q? t? kryeson misionin p?r lirimin e t? burgosur?ve, nuk
?sht? e ?art? se n?se ky njeri e ka pranuar apo jo postin q? i ?sht? besuar.
	P?r cdo marr?veshje p?r lirimin e t? burgosur?ve duhet t? vendos
Millosheviqi, prandaj po q? se zoti Amneur e refuzon detyr?n e re, ai thuhet
se do ta b?nte at? mbi baz?n se nuk ?sht?  i gatsh?m q? t? b?j? negociata me
nj? kriminel lufte. Millosehviqi nga ana e tij do t'i p?rdor? t? burgosurit
p?r manipulimin e pozit?s s? tij krahas gjykat?s s? Hag?s.  I vetmi lloz q?
i ka mbetur Millosehviqit tani lidhur me Kosov?n jan? t? burgosurit.
	Nd?rsa komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar q?ndronte i heshtur p?r t? burgosurit p?r
nj? koh? t? gjat?, t? njejt?n gj? b?nte edhe Beogradi, i cili priste
momentin e duhur p?r t'u marr? me k?t? c?shtje.  Si rezultat, shumica e t?
burgosur?ve q?ndronin me muaj n? burg pa ndonj? akt akuz? t? vecant?.  Me
zhurm?n e shtuar nga jasht?, filluan gjykimet n?n akuzat e "terrorizmit,"
p?r t'i arsyetuar veprimet ilegale t? qeveris? s? Millosheviqit.
	Tani duket se komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar ?sht? molisur rreth tem?s se si ta
zhv?ndos Millosheviqin nga froni, si m?nyra m? e shpejt p?r zgjedhjen e shum
? problemeve duke p?rfshir? edhe lirimin e t? burgosur?ve.  Duke mos dashur
t? shikohen si bashk?puntor me nj? kriminel t? luft?s, zyrtar?t per?ndimor
deri me tash e kan? injoruar edhe ??shtjen e t? burgosur?ve.

Kush ishte shkaktar i "harres?s"

	Por injorimi i t? burgosur?ve u b? q? nga fillimi.  Aktivist?t e t?
drejatve t? njeriut e kan? faj?suar Uashingtonin p?r "krijimin" e problemit
t? t? burgosur?ve.  Ata thon? se  ishin zyrtar?t amerikan? q? kishin lejuar
heqjen e pik?s p?r t? burgosurit nga e ashtuquajtura marr?veshja teknike e
Kumanov?s kur gjeneral?t serb kishin kund?rshtuar p?rfshirjen e t?
burgosur?ve n? marr?veshje.  Mir?po edhe pse t? burgosurit u lan? jasht
marr?veshjes, kjo nuk e liron Serbin? nga obligimet nd?rkomb?tare p?r
pengjet e luft?s, ligje p?r t? cilat ajo ?sht? zotuar se do t'i respektoi
dhe ka obligime q? t'i respektoi po q? se planifikon q? nj? dit? t? kthehet
n? gjirin e familjeve t? qytet?ruara.  Konventat nd?rkomb?tare dhe
marr?veshjet paraprake do t? jen? pik?nisja p?r pun?n e t? d?rguarit t?
posa??m t? OKB-s? -- kushdo qoft? ai.
	Mir?po problemi kryesor me nj? ide t? till? ?sht? sepse Millosheviqit nuk i
ngutet q? ta p?rqafoj? bot?n per?ndimore, e as kjo e fundit nuk ?sht? e
gatshme ta p?rqafoj? nj? kriminel t? luft?s.  Llozi i sankcioneve deri me
tash ka d?shtuar n? detyrimin e qeveris? n? Beograd p?r t? l?shuar pe, sepse
sankcionet vazhdimisht jan? shkelur nga miqt e Serbis?.  Llozi tjet?r i
vet?m do t? ishte kompromisi i Hag?s me Milloshviqin p?r lirimin e t?
burgosur?ve, por nj? gj? e till?, s? paku siq ?sht? mendimi i tash?m, nuk do
t? ndodh?.  Shpresa e vetme q? ka mbetur ?sht? humbja e Millosheviqit n?
zgjedhjet e ardhshme, por edhe nj? gj? e till? nuk duket se ?sht?
shpres?dh?n?se, sepse diktatori serb e ka konsoliduar pozit?n e tij deri n?
at? pik? sa q? n? nj? shkrim t? revist?s Newsweek, thuhet se Millosheviqi ka
qen? shum? m? i suksessh?m n? rind?rtimin e Serbis? s? pas luft?s se sa
UNMIK-u n? Kosov?.  Opcioni tjet?r q? zihet n? goj? aty-k?tu ?sht? q? NATO
ta arrestoj? Millosheviqin dhe k?t? jo vet?m p?r t? burgosurit politik? por
p?r fatin e t?r? rajonit dhe misionit nd?rkomb?tar n? te.




From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu May 11 16:24:00 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu May 11 16:24:00 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <00df01bfbb96$ebba3200$80acf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>neper rruget e Tiranes. Shqipnija ka edhe shmekerat e vet neper qytete, ka
>klasen e shkollum edhe kosmopolitan (edi se kom jetu 1 vjet atje).

bukur fort e ke thene; une kam jetu gjysmen e jetes ne Tirane, dhe nuk ben
t'i barazosh gjithe shqiptaret me ata "kosovaret"; nuk po du te zgjatem, po
ne shqiperi ka plot budalla qe gjithe diten e shtyjne duke numeruar te
keqijat e kosovareve, a thua se nuk jemi krejt njelloj;




From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu May 11 16:52:45 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu May 11 16:52:45 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94097B905C@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

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>neper rruget e Tiranes. Shqipnija ka edhe shmekerat e vet neper qytete, ka
>klasen e shkollum edhe kosmopolitan (edi se kom jetu 1 vjet atje).

bukur fort e ke thene; une kam jetu gjysmen e jetes ne Tirane, dhe nuk ben
t'i barazosh gjithe shqiptaret me ata "kosovaret"; nuk po du te zgjatem, po
ne shqiperi ka plot budalla qe gjithe diten e shtyjne duke numeruar te
keqijat e kosovareve, a thua se nuk jemi krejt njelloj;


Jo nuk jemi krejt njesoj. Bile edhe kur dikush prej Kosova ben ndonje
marrezi ai siurisht nuk eshte prej Prishtine, edhe nese qellon te jete prej
Prishtine atehere sigurisht nuk banon ne lagjen time, sikur edhe kjo te
ndodhe fundja nuk prish pune se nuk e ka shtepine ne rrugen time etj. etj.

Kjo logjike duhet te na ndihmoje te flejme rahat te vetedijshem se jemi me
te mire se tjetri.

Natyrisht nese ndonje shqiptar ben ndonje te mire atehere pavareisht se nga
eshte me rendesi eshte se eshte shqiptar.

Besniku



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From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:06:28 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:06:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
Message-ID: <5a.50a6894.264c7abc@aol.com>

mes na lodh fort 



From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:09:52 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:09:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <d9.3ff9086.264c7b90@aol.com>

oj lopa jeme ta qifsha noenen edhe baben e masne edhe ty maj kurv
maj e pa shkoll ti qifsha tant rant mar e mrapsht
merre pa librin edhe masa ta qift libri e molla nonen



From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:12:09 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:12:09 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <73.3274678.264c7c15@aol.com>

ta gjujasha nonen edhe motren edhe ty prej baneses en kar temin e ti qifsha 
gjalt  e deknit mar mut
ma selaki i kosoves Po kush taka jap t kompjuterin mar qan
ma mir shka ngraji lopt mar mut



From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:12:48 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:12:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Vendimi_i_Senatit_p=E
Message-ID: <71.2fe4e7a.264c7c3e@aol.com>

aje budall ti
qysh vlla i shkrun niri tanato sene 



From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu May 11 17:21:13 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu May 11 17:21:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
In-Reply-To: <d9.3ff9086.264c7b90@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005111620050.230084-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

bishti i qenit sado ta drejtosh -- bisht qeni mbetet; 




From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 17:30:24 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 17:30:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <20000511213000.2087.qmail@hotmail.com>

I nderuar Posta Jote
dhe te tjere qe e gjetet kohem me u bashkangjite ne kete diskutim!

Reagimi im ishte drejtuar Alberiti qe na e leshoj nje margaritar ne 
qarkullim qe ishte i barabart me nje deklarate qe po e bej tash>

Shumica e Britanezeve jetojne ne juglindje te Britanise!

Derisa e vertete cka ka kjo lidhje me biseden tone?  Kujt po i intereson apo 
si i kntribon kjo diskutimit.  Nese dikush e zbulon se uji eshte i laget ju 
lutem permbajuni nga dergesa e menjehereshme e e-mailit ne kete liste!


Se dyti me vjen shume keq qe shoh se disa ne kete mailin list paskan memorje 
selektive apo lexojne vetem ate cka ju pelqen duke i injoruar pjeset tjera!

Eshte me rendesi se a jane Shqiptar nga Kosova apo Shqiperia sepse prej 
vitit 1997 ne Britani kane ardhur me dhjetra mijra Shqipetar nga Shqiperija. 
  Nje numer i tyre jane kriminel te rregjur, pjestare bandash apo mafjash 
siq i quajne ne Shqiperi.  Ne kete kohe ne Britani mes komunitetit shqipetar 
(i cili deri atehere ka qene me shumice Kosovar)nuk ka pasur kriminalitet te 
theksuar e sidomos jo te organizuar.  Nuk ka pasur prostitucion e as 
dhunime.

Prej vitit 1997 sipas komenteve nga punetore te Scotland Yard numri i 
kriminalitetit mes komunitet Shqipetar eshte shtuar drastikisht dhe shumica 
e krimineleve, se paku atyre qe jane arrestuar eshte nga Shqiperia.  Kjo 
eshte fakt!

Poashtu eshte fakt se te gjithe keta te arrestuar jane deklaruar se jane 
Kosovare per ceshtje te azilit dhe si te tille i kan raportuar gazetat dhe 
mediat tjera.  Kjo e ka demtuar shume reputacionin e Kosovareve ne Britani.  
Britanezet nuk e dijne se egziston nje dallimj i vogel mes shqipetareve nga 
Kosova dhe nga Shqiperia, sidomos ne numrin e krimineleve.

Poashtu eshte fakt se p.sh. ne Gjermani Kosovaret (ne kete rast te vertete 
apo me te vertete nga Kosova) kan kryer krime te hatashme dhe sume te 
turpshme.

Kete fakt po e shprehi per te treguar se ne asnje moment nuk diskriminoj 
ndaj Shqipetareve nga shqiperia.  E di nga pervoja personale se ata qe jane 
te ngritur jane me te ngritur ne nivel te pergjithshem se Kosovaret.  Ne 
anen tjeter kriminelet nga Shqiperia jane ne nivel vetem me bandat Ruse.

Pra nuk pretendoj te them asgje me shume se qe kam thene ne porosine time te 
pare.  Se elemnit kriminel Shqiptare ne Britani e ka me se shumti 
prejardhjen nga Shqiperia!  Kete po e them nga experienca ime si perkthyes 
ne shume stacione policore, burgje etj ne Britani.

I pranoj te gjitha perjashtimet dhe nuk pretendoj ti perfshije te gjith 
Shqiptaret nga Shqiperia ne kete kategori.  Nuk me duket ta kem bere kete ne 
porosine e pare!

Tani me duhet te theksoj se anekdotat e degjuara nga babai yt nuk mund te 
perfshihen ne nje bisede si argumenete, por vetem si anekdota.  Une nuk te 
njoh ty e aq me pak babain tend por shpresoj se nuk ofendohesh kur te them 
se e ke kot nese e pret ti pranoj une fjalet e tij si prova apo deshmi ne 
kete rast.  Ti mund ta idealizosh ate si "njeri te drejte qe din nga keto 
pune".  Mirpo une te pyes ty se a e ka studjuar kete teme nga afer, sa libra 
i ka shkruar ne te dhe a ka eksperience personale qe ja deshmon se shumica e 
krimineleve shqiptare ne Britani nuk jane nga Shqiperia?  Besoj se pergjegja 
eshte jo.

Prandaj pranoje deklaraten time si fakt, ashtu si e kam shprehur, pra 
kushtimisht dhe pa pergjithesime te teperta e as diskriminim ndaj 
Shqiptareve prej kahdo qe jan.  Me vie keq qe meselet mbesin ende element i 
argumentit nder ne Shqipetaret prej kahdo jemi.

Babai im ka thene se me kend shkon ashtu behesh ne njue tentim per te me 
bindur se i kam zgjedhur disa shoke te gabuar.  Shtohet pyetja po te shkoja 
me autobus cka do te behesha? Te lutem pra mos me trego cka ka thene babai 
yt se me te vertete me duket teper egocentriste dhe argumentim i dobet.

Ne kete menyre sdo ta ngritim aspak imigjin tone kombetar as ne trojet tona 
as jashte, me mesele e me dokrra si:  "Ke te drejte se shumica e 
Shqipetareve ne Angli jetojne rreth apo ne Londer".


Disa kontribute per klasen e shmekerave ne Shqiperi apo per budallakine e 
disa nga shqiperia nuk po i perfshije sepse meritat e tyre duken.  Prap 
lexim selektiv dhe perfundime pa i kuptuar letrat e mia.  Kot fare ashtu e 
di qe ka shmekera ne tirane e zdrala ne Prishtine e te ju tregoj te 
gjitheve.

Ne Gjakove thojne "Shuj djel sha m'kallxove.  Mkini flakru qitash!"
PRA FOLNI KUR KENI DICKA PER TE THENE ok?

Me nderime

Jetemiri

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From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:50:18 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:50:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <aa.4f254b2.264c850b@aol.com>

qaj bishti qenit drejtohet  kur tja shti nones jote en  bir ko taka bo kryt
shuj tash e mes LEH si qeni mo mar mut



From ALleshi at aol.com  Thu May 11 17:51:17 2000
From: ALleshi at aol.com (ALleshi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 17:51:17 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <7b.3f08828.264c8544@aol.com>

qysh une mundem ti bashkangjitem atij muhabetit te juaj qe po flisni
faleminderit



From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu May 11 18:09:47 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu May 11 18:09:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005111706250.613838-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

Ju lutem te gjitheve t'ia dergoni nje e-mail te tille administratorevre te
AOL (abuse at aol.com)


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Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:02:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu>
To: abuse at aol.net



Dear AOL mail administrator;

I -- and an entire mailing list -- received very obscene messages from an
AOL user; the offending address is below:

ALleshi at aol.com

Please advice the user of this email to show restraint. I understand
that you cannot control the users _before_ they send emails -- however I
expect that you will take appropriate measures to educate the sender now
that you have been informed. 

Sincerely,
Albi Qeli
aqeli1 at uic.edu







From sylo at online.no  Thu May 11 18:19:22 2000
From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku)
Date: Thu May 11 18:19:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?B?xnNqLi4uISA=?=
References: <7b.3f08828.264c8544@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003b01bfbb96$ec58e300$d65c4382@sylo>

E lus administratorin e ketij forumi, te me c'regjistroj nga ky "mailinglist". 

Sa per informacion: Dy faqe te reja per Kosoven ne internet: www.kosova.no dhe www.kosovainfo.net 

Sylo, Norway
http://home.sol.no/~sylo  



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From: <ALleshi at aol.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 11. mai 2000 23:51
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)


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> qysh une mundem ti bashkangjitem atij muhabetit te juaj qe po flisni
> faleminderit
> 
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From mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch  Thu May 11 18:26:26 2000
From: mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch (Mentor Latifi)
Date: Thu May 11 18:26:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ALleshi
References: <Pine.A41.4.10.10005111706250.613838-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>
Message-ID: <391B33E9.8AB070E9@stud.unibas.ch>

albi, 
 
ide shume e mire; e perndryshe ka qene mire qe edhe etriti ta largoje ate
lahper nga lista!



Albi Qeli wrote:
Ju lutem te gjitheve t'ia dergoni nje e-mail te tille administratorevre te
AOL (abuse at aol.com)


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:02:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu>
To: abuse at aol.net



Dear AOL mail administrator;

I -- and an entire mailing list -- received very obscene messages from an
AOL user; the offending address is below:

ALleshi at aol.com

Please advice the user of this email to show restraint. I understand
that you cannot control the users _before_ they send emails -- however I
expect that you will take appropriate measures to educate the sender now
that you have been informed. 

Sincerely,
Albi Qeli
aqeli1 at uic.edu



From Pasqyristi at aol.com  Thu May 11 19:27:43 2000
From: Pasqyristi at aol.com (Pasqyristi at aol.com)
Date: Thu May 11 19:27:43 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <2f.5255a20.264c9be6@aol.com>

Pajtohem me Besnikun;

- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga Shqiperia 
para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe 
faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te natyrshme 
ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per te 
gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper te 
cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere: 
p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i 
komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti shfaqin 
mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper naive)...

- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape

tung te gjitheve,
 nga Ari 



From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 19:55:42 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 19:55:42 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <20000511235535.68967.qmail@hotmail.com>

ALleshi

A u bone nelvoz a? Hahahahaha, ska knaqesi me te madhe kur e takon nje gomar 
qe nuk din me fole po vetem me sha edhe shpreson se ja len sheje dikujte!  
Hahahahahahah!

Gati kam kerku me u cregjistru prej kesaj liste po tash u pendova se me vjen 
mire kur i nervozoj injorantat kshtu.

E ti bal mundesh me me shkru ne adrese private ne jbalaj at hotmail.com e mos 
me i trazu tjeret!

Te don shume

Jetemiri

>From: ALleshi at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra 
>(bullshit!)]
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:11:49 EDT
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>ta gjujasha nonen edhe motren edhe ty prej baneses en kar temin e ti qifsha
>gjalt  e deknit mar mut
>ma selaki i kosoves Po kush taka jap t kompjuterin mar qan
>ma mir shka ngraji lopt mar mut
>
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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 20:12:22 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 20:12:22 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <20000512001052.70154.qmail@hotmail.com>

O pasqyrist vllau jem qe mirret me filozofi te rende qe e mban gjethmone 
rrugen e mesit dhe kurre kurgjo nuk arrine ( ne Anglish:  You bleeding 
hearted liberal) dhe qe eshte me e rrezikshme se dhete shkije me kallasha 
edhe me shlivovice

O shoq ju metevertet spo kuptoni kjo nuk eshte nje pune qe kerkon gjykim!  
Shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Britani jane me prejardhje nga Shqiperia!  
Kjo eshte fakt! Edhe ska pajtim as gjykim as argumentim.  Ne mundemi me 
argumentu se a eshte bora e bardhe a e zeze po per kete ska argument!  Sikur 
qe ska argument qe shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Gjermani jane Kosovare 
me prejardhje!

A te pyetemi tani se a i kane dsahur prindet kur ishin te vegjel.  Se a i ka 
ledhatuar nena mjaft?  A i ka rrahur babai?  Apo mos jane traumatizuar kur e 
kane degjuar nenen dhe babain duke bere seks?  Po, po mesiguri eshte faji 
shoqerise se ashper Kosovare e bile edhe i shkijeve qe disa te rinje 
Kosovare e rrahin dhe e dhunojne plaken 67 vjecare, e plackisin e lene te 
lidhur dhe ne fund e pshurrin tu mos dite cka me bo.  Fati qe autoritetet 
Gjermane (megjthse jane krejte nacista) nuk pajtohen me ju shoqni dhe nuk ju 
intereson femijeria jone e pafat (kolektive) shqiptare po te rrasin ne burg.

Mundemi me diskutu se a kane te drejte p.sh. shqiptaret nga shqiperia te 
kerkojne azil ne Britani dhe te paraqiten si Kosovare.  Une mendoj se po.  
Mirpo per temen e mesiperme mund te argumentoni ad infinitum pa e ndryshu 
faktin. ( Jo te paren te mesiperme po ate tjetren te mesiperme a pe dini per 
Britani dhe kriminela)

Pra ne anen tjeter cdokush mundet me e shprehe mendimin e vet per ckado po 
jo te me bezdis me dokrra dokra dokra se kot e keni foli palidhje edhe ska 
arsyetim nepermes mailin listes.

ce nje teme interesante:

A mendoni se po ta kishin nenshkruar Serbet marrveshjen e Ramboulliet do te 
kishte perfunduar Kosova si Sierra Leone???

Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!

Jetemiri

>From: Pasqyristi at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:27:34 EDT
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Pajtohem me Besnikun;
>
>- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga 
>Shqiperia
>para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe
>faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te natyrshme
>ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per 
>te
>gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper 
>te
>cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere:
>p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i
>komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti 
>shfaqin
>mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper 
>naive)...
>
>- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape
>
>tung te gjitheve,
>  nga Ari
>
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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 20:13:44 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 20:13:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vendimi i Senatit p=Eimi_i_Senatit_p=E
Message-ID: <20000512001202.69756.qmail@hotmail.com>

Sha ki djel a u traumatizove a?  A sunmun pi lixon a?


>From: ALleshi at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vendimi i Senatit p=Eimi_i_Senatit_p=E
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:12:30 EDT
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>aje budall ti
>qysh vlla i shkrun niri tanato sene
>
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From berisha at telia.com  Thu May 11 20:59:06 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Thu May 11 20:59:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
In-Reply-To: <20000511213000.2087.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEAEJHCAAA.berisha@telia.com>

I nderuari Jetmir!

Un? e lexova mir? se qka kishe shkruar ti.
Reagimi in? n? at? t? paren por edhe n? k?t? te dyden ?sht? si vijon:
Ne mundohemi kot qe ti ikim pergj?gj?sis per veprimet tona si individ por
edhe
si kolektiv duke perseritur gjithmon at? se jo un? po ai, jo ne Kosovar?t
por?
shqiptar?t nga shqip?ria.
At? se qka ti krijon, kam bindjen se jo me vet?dije n? k?t? rast ?sht?
pik?risht ajo qe
serbia me shekuj u mundua ta b?j, ti krijoj dy popuj nga populli shqiptar.
Dy popuj qe
ndyshojn? n? kultur, sjellje pra n? veti por? edhe n? cil?si, kosovar?t qe
kan? sjellje t? mir? dhe
shqiptar?t qe jan? kriminel e na muaren n? qaf?.
Nj? gj? duhet ta kesh parasysh, pa marr? parasysh se a ?sht? i Shqip?rs, i
Kosov?s a Maqedonis
apo nga ?vend ai vjen, n? statistikat e k?tyre vendeve del se ai ?sht?
shqiptar.
Qka mund t? thuash ti p?r shqiptar?t n? Suedi qe 99%t? tyre jan? Kosovar dhe
se para jo m?
shum? se kat?r viteve, ministresha e emigracionit para t? gjitha mjeteve t?
masmedias vendase
dhe atyre bot?rore deklaroj se shqiptaret na e paskan hajnin n? gjene (gjak,
qka thua ti qe
n? institucionet suedeze sote flitet hapur p?r (Kosova sjukan) semundjen
kosovare qe ka kuptimin
se kosovar?t nuk din? gj? tjet?r vetem t? shfryt?zojn sistemin si parazit.

P?r mua nuk ?sht? me rendesi t? die se nga ishte ai qe e b?ri krimin,
fatkeq?sia ?sht? aty se krimin
e b?ri nj? shqiptar, e ai shqiptar? ?sht? nga Gjakova, Tirana apo Tetova.
Mos mendo se Kosovari ka reputacion m? t? favorshem se Shqiptari nga
Shqip?ria.
Kultura jon? shifet qart? n? partit politike; b?ja nj? veshtim partive
politike n? Prishtin? dhe atyre n? Tiran,
a sheh ndonj? dallim? K?shtu t? njeh bota. Jan? t? shpesht? artikujt e
gazetava n? Suedi "Prishtina qerdhe e kriminalitetit"

Ti zot?riu i moderuar, anekdodat shqiptare mund t? perdoren si argument n?
at? mas? kur? ajo perdoret drejt.
Ta perseris edhe nj? here:
Shqip?tari i shqip?ris dhe shqip?tari i Kosov?s jan? t? mir? si me nda nj?
MOLL? N? MES, moll andej e moll k?ndej
Po nganj?here ?sht? edhe si me nda nj? Bajg n? mes; Bajg andej e bajg
k?ndej.
E fatkeq?sisht bajga ka edhe n? Tiran edhe n? Prishtin? edhe n? Skrapar edhe
n? Gjakov bajga ?sht? bajg.
Mos? u merakos shum? se ne kosovar?ve po na bjen imigji shum?, e ma shum? se
kush ?sht? shkaktari- fatkeq?sisht
e kemi patur imigjin mjaft? ul?t - kjo simpati qe u krijua per? nj? moment
?sht? e rastit, Botes p?r nj? qast
i erdhi keq p?r ne - neve na mbetet qe me pun? t? tregojm? se kush jemi. T?
gjith edhe ne Kosovar?t edhe "Ata" shqiptar?t.

Me rrespekt Jashar Berisha

--Original Message-----
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[mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Jetemir Balaj
Sent: den 12 maj 2000 00:30
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Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)


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I nderuar Posta Jote
dhe te tjere qe e gjetet kohem me u bashkangjite ne kete diskutim!

Reagimi im ishte drejtuar Alberiti qe na e leshoj nje margaritar ne
qarkullim qe ishte i barabart me nje deklarate qe po e bej tash>

Shumica e Britanezeve jetojne ne juglindje te Britanise!

Derisa e vertete cka ka kjo lidhje me biseden tone?  Kujt po i intereson apo
si i kntribon kjo diskutimit.  Nese dikush e zbulon se uji eshte i laget ju
lutem permbajuni nga dergesa e menjehereshme e e-mailit ne kete liste!


Se dyti me vjen shume keq qe shoh se disa ne kete mailin list paskan memorje
selektive apo lexojne vetem ate cka ju pelqen duke i injoruar pjeset tjera!

Eshte me rendesi se a jane Shqiptar nga Kosova apo Shqiperia sepse prej
vitit 1997 ne Britani kane ardhur me dhjetra mijra Shqipetar nga Shqiperija.
  Nje numer i tyre jane kriminel te rregjur, pjestare bandash apo mafjash
siq i quajne ne Shqiperi.  Ne kete kohe ne Britani mes komunitetit shqipetar
(i cili deri atehere ka qene me shumice Kosovar)nuk ka pasur kriminalitet te
theksuar e sidomos jo te organizuar.  Nuk ka pasur prostitucion e as
dhunime.

Prej vitit 1997 sipas komenteve nga punetore te Scotland Yard numri i
kriminalitetit mes komunitet Shqipetar eshte shtuar drastikisht dhe shumica
e krimineleve, se paku atyre qe jane arrestuar eshte nga Shqiperia.  Kjo
eshte fakt!

Poashtu eshte fakt se te gjithe keta te arrestuar jane deklaruar se jane
Kosovare per ceshtje te azilit dhe si te tille i kan raportuar gazetat dhe
mediat tjera.  Kjo e ka demtuar shume reputacionin e Kosovareve ne Britani.
Britanezet nuk e dijne se egziston nje dallimj i vogel mes shqipetareve nga
Kosova dhe nga Shqiperia, sidomos ne numrin e krimineleve.

Poashtu eshte fakt se p.sh. ne Gjermani Kosovaret (ne kete rast te vertete
apo me te vertete nga Kosova) kan kryer krime te hatashme dhe sume te
turpshme.

Kete fakt po e shprehi per te treguar se ne asnje moment nuk diskriminoj
ndaj Shqipetareve nga shqiperia.  E di nga pervoja personale se ata qe jane
te ngritur jane me te ngritur ne nivel te pergjithshem se Kosovaret.  Ne
anen tjeter kriminelet nga Shqiperia jane ne nivel vetem me bandat Ruse.

Pra nuk pretendoj te them asgje me shume se qe kam thene ne porosine time te
pare.  Se elemnit kriminel Shqiptare ne Britani e ka me se shumti
prejardhjen nga Shqiperia!  Kete po e them nga experienca ime si perkthyes
ne shume stacione policore, burgje etj ne Britani.

I pranoj te gjitha perjashtimet dhe nuk pretendoj ti perfshije te gjith
Shqiptaret nga Shqiperia ne kete kategori.  Nuk me duket ta kem bere kete ne
porosine e pare!

Tani me duhet te theksoj se anekdotat e degjuara nga babai yt nuk mund te
perfshihen ne nje bisede si argumenete, por vetem si anekdota.  Une nuk te
njoh ty e aq me pak babain tend por shpresoj se nuk ofendohesh kur te them
se e ke kot nese e pret ti pranoj une fjalet e tij si prova apo deshmi ne
kete rast.  Ti mund ta idealizosh ate si "njeri te drejte qe din nga keto
pune".  Mirpo une te pyes ty se a e ka studjuar kete teme nga afer, sa libra
i ka shkruar ne te dhe a ka eksperience personale qe ja deshmon se shumica e
krimineleve shqiptare ne Britani nuk jane nga Shqiperia?  Besoj se pergjegja
eshte jo.

Prandaj pranoje deklaraten time si fakt, ashtu si e kam shprehur, pra
kushtimisht dhe pa pergjithesime te teperta e as diskriminim ndaj
Shqiptareve prej kahdo qe jan.  Me vie keq qe meselet mbesin ende element i
argumentit nder ne Shqipetaret prej kahdo jemi.

Babai im ka thene se me kend shkon ashtu behesh ne njue tentim per te me
bindur se i kam zgjedhur disa shoke te gabuar.  Shtohet pyetja po te shkoja
me autobus cka do te behesha? Te lutem pra mos me trego cka ka thene babai
yt se me te vertete me duket teper egocentriste dhe argumentim i dobet.

Ne kete menyre sdo ta ngritim aspak imigjin tone kombetar as ne trojet tona
as jashte, me mesele e me dokrra si:  "Ke te drejte se shumica e
Shqipetareve ne Angli jetojne rreth apo ne Londer".


Disa kontribute per klasen e shmekerave ne Shqiperi apo per budallakine e
disa nga shqiperia nuk po i perfshije sepse meritat e tyre duken.  Prap
lexim selektiv dhe perfundime pa i kuptuar letrat e mia.  Kot fare ashtu e
di qe ka shmekera ne tirane e zdrala ne Prishtine e te ju tregoj te
gjitheve.

Ne Gjakove thojne "Shuj djel sha m'kallxove.  Mkini flakru qitash!"
PRA FOLNI KUR KENI DICKA PER TE THENE ok?

Me nderime

Jetemiri

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From vali2k at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 21:03:32 2000
From: vali2k at hotmail.com (val alba)
Date: Thu May 11 21:03:32 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Rambuliet ...]
Message-ID: <20000512010324.93788.qmail@hotmail.com>

Tentim i mire per tu lerguar nga pallavrat
Po ta kishin nenshkruar serbet marreveshjen e Rambuliet ndoshta do te
kalonim edhe me keq se qe kaluam.


>From: "Jetemir Balaj" <jbalaj at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:10:52 BST
>
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>O pasqyrist vllau jem qe mirret me filozofi te rende qe e mban gjethmone
>rrugen e mesit dhe kurre kurgjo nuk arrine ( ne Anglish:  You bleeding
>hearted liberal) dhe qe eshte me e rrezikshme se dhete shkije me kallasha
>edhe me shlivovice
>
>O shoq ju metevertet spo kuptoni kjo nuk eshte nje pune qe kerkon gjykim!
>Shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Britani jane me prejardhje nga Shqiperia!
>Kjo eshte fakt! Edhe ska pajtim as gjykim as argumentim.  Ne mundemi me
>argumentu se a eshte bora e bardhe a e zeze po per kete ska argument!  
>Sikur
>qe ska argument qe shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Gjermani jane Kosovare
>me prejardhje!
>
>A te pyetemi tani se a i kane dsahur prindet kur ishin te vegjel.  Se a i 
>ka
>ledhatuar nena mjaft?  A i ka rrahur babai?  Apo mos jane traumatizuar kur 
>e
>kane degjuar nenen dhe babain duke bere seks?  Po, po mesiguri eshte faji
>shoqerise se ashper Kosovare e bile edhe i shkijeve qe disa te rinje
>Kosovare e rrahin dhe e dhunojne plaken 67 vjecare, e plackisin e lene te
>lidhur dhe ne fund e pshurrin tu mos dite cka me bo.  Fati qe autoritetet
>Gjermane (megjthse jane krejte nacista) nuk pajtohen me ju shoqni dhe nuk 
>ju
>intereson femijeria jone e pafat (kolektive) shqiptare po te rrasin ne 
>burg.
>
>Mundemi me diskutu se a kane te drejte p.sh. shqiptaret nga shqiperia te
>kerkojne azil ne Britani dhe te paraqiten si Kosovare.  Une mendoj se po.
>Mirpo per temen e mesiperme mund te argumentoni ad infinitum pa e ndryshu
>faktin. ( Jo te paren te mesiperme po ate tjetren te mesiperme a pe dini 
>per
>Britani dhe kriminela)
>
>Pra ne anen tjeter cdokush mundet me e shprehe mendimin e vet per ckado po
>jo te me bezdis me dokrra dokra dokra se kot e keni foli palidhje edhe ska
>arsyetim nepermes mailin listes.
>
>ce nje teme interesante:
>
>A mendoni se po ta kishin nenshkruar Serbet marrveshjen e Ramboulliet do te
>kishte perfunduar Kosova si Sierra Leone???
>
>Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!
>
>Jetemiri
>
>>From: Pasqyristi at aol.com
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!
>>)]
>>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:27:34 EDT
>>
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>>Pajtohem me Besnikun;
>>
>>- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga
>>Shqiperia
>>para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe
>>faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te 
>>natyrshme
>>ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per
>>te
>>gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper
>>te
>>cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere:
>>p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i
>>komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti
>>shfaqin
>>mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper
>>naive)...
>>
>>- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape
>>
>>tung te gjitheve,
>>  nga Ari
>>
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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Thu May 11 21:29:32 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Thu May 11 21:29:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <20000512012924.58569.qmail@hotmail.com>

I dashur kurr i paharrueshem Postaime Jashar

Ne nuk kemi naj mosmarrveshje po me duket une po e pranoj faktin se ka 
kriminel ne cdo polull e ashtu edhe ner shqiptare.  Ne bBritani ata jane 
kryesisht nga Shqipria ne vende tjera ne evrope nga Kosova si rasti i 
Suedise qe e permende.  DMTH na kater e-maila rrehm uje ne havan!  Kot fare 
vec pse definicionet tua nuk pajtohen me te mijat.  Pranoje shokut edhe 
krejt e harrojme kete pune!

Deshtem e sdeshtem Serbia dhe Xhaxhi na kane bere dy kombe apo ma mire me 
thone Internacionalja Komuniste dhe fuqite  medha na kane bere ne pse kombe. 
  Ata ne mal te zi gati se kan harruar shqipen.  Ne Maqedoni e verrtajtin 
najllen (e sillin xerron ne telefon) e ne shqiperi e kane lekun ne shpirte e 
ne Kosove e kem kryenecsine e gomarit edhe nuk jeme hajri i vetes!  Ne 
evrope e bote jemi bere nje hibrifd i deshtuar i vendasve dhe i shqiptareve. 
  Tragjedi po, po jeta e tille a?!  Ndoshta edhe bashkohem ndoshta edhe 
shkrihem si shqiptaret ne Turqi e Misire kush e di.  Une e di cka do te 
kisha dashur.  Po as lufta ne Kosove sna ka bashkuar e le me paqja.  
Fatkeqesisht nuk e kemi vetedijen kombetare te ngriotur mjaft per ta pranuar 
diversitetin pa percarje, vec en dore te zotit ishalla.

Vetem nje vrejtje, ne Britani se paku e kemi pase reputacionin e 
shkelqyeshem se pake der ne 1997.  Pyete kend te duash qe ka sdado pak 
eksperience nga atje.  Edhe une se kam prishe imigjin e shqiptareve atje e 
kane prishe bandat kriminele qe kane ardhe nga shqiperia.  FAKT edhe smund 
ti ikim as ta mohojme!  Lexoje edhe jeher cka thashe per Gjermani e Evrope, 
etj.

Une nuk po krijoj dy popuj as si serbia as si askush, une po te them ce 
realiteti eshte se jemi dy popuj deshtem a sdeshtem se as mu sma kona 
kusheri hiq faktin qe jemi te tille, besom.  Skem nevoje me i shite noni 
tjetrit patriotizem.  Edhe mos me akuzo se po i stereotipizoj shqiptaret e 
shqiperise.  I kam intervistaur 100 prej tyre ne Grqi qe punojne si qenet 
edhe i trajtojne si qenet.  Kam qene shpesh ne Shqiperi edhe jau di halle 
shume shume mire, ose se paku me mire se kosovari mesatar.

E sa per molle andej e molle kendej une kam me shume te perbashket me disa 
nga tirana se me disa kusheri te mijet nga Podrimja, ske nevoje ta thuash 
prap.  Mirpo, fakti qendron per kriminalitet ne Angli.

Sa i perket imigjit une deri vone kam qene i lumtur edhe shume krenar te 
them se jam Shqiptear, jo Kosovar po Albanian ne Angli.  Tash nuk e di, e 
them e ndihem si me qene shak a po din me qene Serb e me thone jam nga 
Serbia.  Thshe e them a, ase mu shumica e Anglezve ne Angli me thrrin Albi 
pra shkurt per ALBANIAN e jam ky qe jam i zi i keq hajn, kriminel, i mvarur 
nga ndihmat sociale e dhunues i plakave angleze e gjermane e....  Nuk e 
mohoj po e kam hupe krenarine, kusheri, ska ma faqe te bardhe per ne.  Ne 
Angli jo me.  Ne evrope e kemi hupe moti po ne angli e hupem ne 1997 edhe jo 
pse ne nga Kosova qe ishim aty qe 7 vjet e dhime po erdhen vllaznija nga 
shipnija edhe e kishin lekun en sy edhe rezultatet po sheh edhe vet.  E po 
me vjen inati kushe se duhet tash me ungje kryte kur thom jome shiptare!  
Soshte mire a.  Ne gjermani ma bojshin Kosova Albani si me thone mut ma i 
keq se muti, po aty e kom fajin vete se ni kusheri i jemi e ka kalle ni 
diskoteke me banden e vet se se kane lone me hi mrena.  e me pa ti ata en 
hymje se kishe lone me hi le n'diskoteke po cka me bo ...

Sa per pune kot fare kusherini jem Jashar se bota nuk po te gjykojke ne baze 
te punes e te karakterit po po te gjykojke prej kah je!  Edhe kjo fakt shoku 
jem.  Te na ktyne here te kane vete kah i kie dajte!

Edhe sa per mesele, sti pranoj per argument, perdor prova, deshmi apo 
argumente logjike.

E per fund ni fore.

USHTARET GJERMAN TE STACIONUAR NE PRIZREN KANE THONE:

KEMI ME JAU MARRE KREJT CIKAT SHIPTARE ...

SE JU NA I KENI MARRE NANAT GJERMANE



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From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu May 11 23:13:44 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu May 11 23:13:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
In-Reply-To: <d9.3ff9086.264c7b90@aol.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a00b54127138560@[165.247.98.60]>

Zotni,

te lutem ndihmona ne zgjidhjen e dilemes, a jane me te mire shqiptaret e
Shqiperise apo ata te Kosoves.

Te lutem deklarohu prej nga je.


At 5:09 PM -0400 5/11/00, ALleshi at aol.com wrote:
>oj lopa jeme ta qifsha noenen edhe baben e masne edhe ty maj kurv
>maj e pa shkoll ti qifsha tant rant mar e mrapsht
>merre pa librin edhe masa ta qift libri e molla nonen





From puka at usa.net  Thu May 11 23:25:45 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Thu May 11 23:25:45 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <20000512032543.557.qmail@nw174.netaddress.usa.net>

>Sa i perket imigjit une deri vone kam qene i lumtur edhe shume krenar te 
>them se jam Shqiptear, jo Kosovar po Albanian ne Angli.  Tash nuk e di, >e
them e ndihem si me qene shak a po din me qene Serb e me thone jam nga 
>Serbia.  Thshe e them a, ase mu shumica e Anglezve ne Angli me thrrin >Albi
pra shkurt per ALBANIAN e jam ky qe jam i zi i keq hajn, kriminel, >mvarur nga
ndihmat sociale e dhunues i plakave angleze e gjermane e....  

Para nja 70 vjetve me pas thane qe je irlandez ose italian ne Amerike, je kon
ma zi se magjup, krejt irlandezet jan kqyr si kriminela, e per italianet mos
te folim, qitashti krejt Amerikanet e kan si krenari me thane se prijardhjen e
kan prej Irlandes ose Italise (edhe nese nuk e kan). Kjo kohe qe po jetojmi
qitashti eshte kulminacioni i kesaj kriminalitetit dhe problemeve qe bojin
shqiptaret (kosoves/shqipnise/maqedonise etj) ne perendim. Heket mos u
merzitni :-))



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From puka at usa.net  Thu May 11 23:44:42 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Thu May 11 23:44:42 2000
Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)]
Message-ID: <20000512034441.7183.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net>

Une jam i Kosoves edhe mendoj qe shqiptaret e Bulgarise ma te miret jan. :-))

>te lutem ndihmona ne zgjidhjen e dilemes, a jane me te mire shqiptaret e
>Shqiperise apo ata te Kosoves.
>Te lutem deklarohu prej nga je.


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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri May 12 00:58:42 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri May 12 00:58:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ALleshi
In-Reply-To: <391B33E9.8AB070E9@stud.unibas.ch>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005120055470.2787-100000@alb-net.com>

On Fri, 12 May 2000, Mentor Latifi wrote:

> albi, 
>  
> ide shume e mire; e perndryshe ka qene mire qe edhe etriti ta largoje ate
> lahper nga lista!

e kisha largu, po me nuk jam administrator dhe nuk muj ta largoj
teknikisht, po besoj se dardani (administratori i ri) do ta largoje se
shpejti... ;-)

para 4-5 viteve administrimi i listave ka qene shume i lehte pasi qe jo
gjithkush ka pase e-mail...

etriti.

p.s. ideja e albit ishte e shkelqyeshme, ia dergova nje mesazh
administratorit te aol-it, por siq e dini, aol-i te lejon t'i keshe nja 7
e-maila te ndryshem (screen names)... :(




From kosova at jps.net  Fri May 12 01:16:04 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Fri May 12 01:16:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nj=EB_raport_q=EB_godet_sh=EBnjestrat_e_NATO-s?=
Message-ID: <NEBBJGGBHLPACBNCPDHNCEBDCAAA.kosova@jps.net>

Nj? raport q? godet sh?njestrat e NATO-s

Isuf Hajrizi
UASHINGTON (11 Maj, 2000)

P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

	Nj? raport i mbajtur fsheht deri me tash nga Forcat ajrore amerikane e q?
?sht? zbuluar nga revista Newsweek, tregon se numri i sh?njestrave t?
q?lluara nga bombarde?t e NATO-s ishte shum? m? i vog?l se sa kishin th?n?
oficer?t ushtarak fillimisht.
	Raporti tregon se vet?m 14 tanke ishin shkat?rruar, jo 120; 18 automjete t?
blinduara, jo 220; dhe 20 copa artilerie dhe jo 450.  Dhe n? vend t? 744
goditjeve t? ?konfirmuara? t? pilot?ve t? NATO-s gjat? luft?s, hetuesit e
Forc?s ajrore, t? cil?t thuhet se kaluan jav? t? t?ra duke hetuar cdo
imt?si, zbuluan prova p?r vet?m 58 goditje.  Ky raport d?mtues ?sht? mbajtur
n? fsheht?si nga oficer? t? lart? n? ushtri, kurse zyrtar?t n? Pentagon, t?
cil?t kan? biseduar me Newsweek, jan? p?rpjekurr p?r ta minimizuar r?nd?sin?
e raportit.
	Gjenerali Uesli Kllark, komandanti kryesor i NATO-s gjate luft?s n? Kosov?,
u p?rpoq q? ta merrte raportin e sakt? t? bombardimeve, njofton revista
javore amerikane n? artikullin e saj n? numrin e fundit.  Kah mbarimi i
qershorit, Kllark em?roi nj? ekip prej 30 vetash p?r t? grumbullaur
informacion t? lut?s n? Kosov?.  Ekipi n? fjal? kishte p?r detyr? vler?simin
e efikasitetit t? arm?ve.
	Bombardimi, u zbulua ishte v?rtet? i sakt? ndaj sh?njestrave t? pa
levizshme, siq jan? bunker?t dhe urat.  ?Por serbet na kan? mashtruar shpesh
duke I kamufluar gj?rat ,? thot? nj? an?tar i ekipit hulumtues.  Serb?t, p?r
shembull, e kishin shp?tuar nj?r?n nga urat e v?rteta duke nd?rtuar nj? ur?
tjet?r nga copa t? m?dha plastike q? e kishin zgjatur an? e p?rtej lumit dhe
	NATO e kishte q?lluar ur?n falco disa her?.
	Gjithashtu artileria e v?rtet? ishte z?v?nd?suar me dy rrota kamioni te
vjet?r dhe nje lis n? vend t? tyt?s q? te dukej si top.  Ekipi punonj?s
gjat? hetimeve t? tij mori 2,600 fotografi dhe kur informoi epror?t ata nuk
e besuan.
	?Si ?sht? e mundur t? mos kemi goditur me shum? tanke,? citohet t? ket?
Gjenerali Uallter Bergert, ndihm?s komandant i forcave ajrore amerikane n?
Evrop?.  ?Nuk ?sht? e mundur.  Un? nuk e besoj nj? gj? t? till?,? kishte
reaguar gjenerali Kllark.
	Forat ajrore pastaj mor?n urdh?rin q? ta p?rgatisin nj? raport tjet?r dhe
brenda nj? muaji nxorr?n nj? raport q? i plot?soj k?rkesat e Gjeneralit
Kllark.  N? raport thuhej s? NATO kishte q?lluar 93 tanke, m? af?r numrit
120, numer q? kishte ardhur nga Gjenerali Shelton I shtatmadhori? amerikane
n? mabrim t? luft?s; si dhe 153 automjete t? blinduara, jo shum? larg? nga
ajo q? kishte deklaruar Shelton.  Raporti i dyt? p?rq?ndrohet m? shum? n?
faktet q? do ta mbronte interesin e pilot?ve, por p?rpiluesit e tij
k?mb?ngulin se mund t? jen? b?r? manipulume me numrat.
	Mir?po CIA dhe njer?zit rreth Kllarkut si dhe zyrtar?t britanik? kan?
deklaruar se nuk e besojn? raportin e fundit.




From Mprebreza at aol.com  Fri May 12 02:51:33 2000
From: Mprebreza at aol.com (Mprebreza at aol.com)
Date: Fri May 12 02:51:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pershendetje
Message-ID: <34.4f4d046.264a9e0e@aol.com>

Ju pershendes te gjitheve !

Per here te pare sot kuptova se kemi nje forum ku mund te diskutohet ne sfera 
te ndryshme per kosoven.Mandej lexova edhe disa diskutime dhe E-mails.me sa 
kuptova te gjitha diskutimet behen dhe sillen duke marre ne goje 
personalitete, njerz te thjeshte.Nuk me ra ne sy asnje teme qe do te ishte 
produktive per ardhmerine e Kosoves. Une medoj pamarre parasysh se kush eshte 
me i mire , ai apo tjetri , nuk eshte me rendesi fare.Nje duhet te jete e 
qarte " POPULLI YNE NUK E MERITON TE VUAJ ME" ka vaujtur me dekada, ka qene i 
manipuluar dhe sherbyes i Serbise.
Tash AI eshte i lire , edhe pse i traumatizuar nga lufta, mbledh te gjitha 
forcat dhe ka filluar jeten, ndertimin.
John Kennedy ka thene " mos siko se cka mund te beje atdheu per ty, por siko 
cka mund te besh ti, ti per atdheun tend ".
Ne duhet ti lem grindjet, xhelozite ne mes veit, ta respektojme njeri 
tjetrin, ta duam edhe nese mendoj ne menyra te ndryshme politikisht.Partine 
mund ta zgjidhes, por shteti duhet te ket nje kase shtetrore, nje kuvend, nje 
kryetrar, minister qeverie etj.
Duhet ta rrespektojme njeri tjetrin per nder te gjakut qe u derdh, per 
deshmoret qe dhane jeten per kete dite.

Pershendetje nga Mala




From dardan at prishtina.com  Fri May 12 02:57:04 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Fri May 12 02:57:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FW: Prishtina-L Unsubscribe Notification
Message-ID: <NDBBJFPKMPLAOHAJMJPFAEHHCCAA.dardan@prishtina.com>

Me falni per vonese.


Dardani



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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 04:44:12 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Fri May 12 04:44:12 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
Message-ID: <20000512084405.1368.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jo Jetemire, nuk jam as i verber, as injorant as as i trash ne koke. E qe 
besa nuk ma merre mendja qe bullshit-i (por sidocoft me dashje apo pa dashje 
i ngoj disa here pas here, i.e. me vijen ne inbox-in tim por jam tolerant 
dhe nuk kundershtoj). Nuk i ofendoje njerezit e per kete arsye as nuk kam 
deshire te jem i ofenduar.

Une i njohe dhe i rrespektoj prinderit e tu. Ti fatekeqesishte nuk qenke si 
ata. Shpresoj qe si minimum e sheh te udhes te me kerkosh falje per fjalet e 
tua.

Te gjithat qe i shkrove ne lidhje me shqipetaret une i di sepse jan common 
knowledge dhe si i tille plotesishte pajtohna me cka po thua. E per poenten 
te pyes ndonje here tjeter.

I deshpruar,
Alberti

>From: "Jetemir Balaj" <jbalaj at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!)
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:56:15 BST
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>
>>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] samurai warriors
>>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 05:29:58 PDT
>>
>>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
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>>
>>Valoni ka te drejte. Me teper se 95% te Shqipetareve t'Kosoves ne UK
>>jetojne ne dhe shume afer Londres.
>
>Albert
>
>Besoj se edhe pa kontributin tend do ta kishim ditur se shumica e 
>shqiptarve
>ne Angli jetojne ne dhe rreth Londres.  Nuk po mund ta kuptoj a je ti i
>verber, injorant apo vetem i trashe ne koke.  Poenta eshte se:
>
>1. Te gjithe shqiptaret e shqiperise paraqiten ne UK si Kosovare.
>2. Disa prej tyre mirren me prostitucion dhe kriminalitet dhe kur zihe
>mediat lajmrojne per ta se jane Kosovar.
>3.  Ti ndoshta nuk e din por ka tash dy vite qe inner London boroughs i
>dergojne te gjitha azilantet, kosovar e shqipetar te shqiperise jashte
>Londres, pastaj Swindon eshte 50 milja jashte Londres keshtu qe spo e 
>kuptoj
>poenten tende.
>
>Ne si kosovare na pengon ky fakt se reputacioni yne ne Angli po vuan nga
>kjo.  Ne e kuptojme se Shqiptaret e Shqiperise e kan hallin e tyre dhe kan
>arsye te kerkojne azil ne Britani, por nuk mundemi te simpatizojme me
>elementin kriminel mes tyre.
>
>Shpresoj se e ke te qarte tani apo jo?!?
>
>Tjeter here mos u gut me i kontribu ksaj liste se po na mbushet inboxi me
>pallavra.
>
>Te falenderoj per mirkuptim.
>
>Jetemiri
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 05:00:35 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Fri May 12 05:00:35 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <20000512090022.48704.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jetemir,

Stating the obvious is not necessarily a bad thing. Your last couple of 
messages have reconfirmed that. So do not jump up and down when other people 
do just that.

E sa i perket komentit tende:

"Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!"

Te lutem mos ne dis-respekto se ne kete list ka edhe njerez te menqem.

Mirembetsh.

>From: "Jetemir Balaj" <jbalaj at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:10:52 BST
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>O pasqyrist vllau jem qe mirret me filozofi te rende qe e mban gjethmone
>rrugen e mesit dhe kurre kurgjo nuk arrine ( ne Anglish:  You bleeding
>hearted liberal) dhe qe eshte me e rrezikshme se dhete shkije me kallasha
>edhe me shlivovice
>
>O shoq ju metevertet spo kuptoni kjo nuk eshte nje pune qe kerkon gjykim!
>Shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Britani jane me prejardhje nga Shqiperia!
>Kjo eshte fakt! Edhe ska pajtim as gjykim as argumentim.  Ne mundemi me
>argumentu se a eshte bora e bardhe a e zeze po per kete ska argument!  
>Sikur
>qe ska argument qe shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Gjermani jane Kosovare
>me prejardhje!
>
>A te pyetemi tani se a i kane dsahur prindet kur ishin te vegjel.  Se a i 
>ka
>ledhatuar nena mjaft?  A i ka rrahur babai?  Apo mos jane traumatizuar kur 
>e
>kane degjuar nenen dhe babain duke bere seks?  Po, po mesiguri eshte faji
>shoqerise se ashper Kosovare e bile edhe i shkijeve qe disa te rinje
>Kosovare e rrahin dhe e dhunojne plaken 67 vjecare, e plackisin e lene te
>lidhur dhe ne fund e pshurrin tu mos dite cka me bo.  Fati qe autoritetet
>Gjermane (megjthse jane krejte nacista) nuk pajtohen me ju shoqni dhe nuk 
>ju
>intereson femijeria jone e pafat (kolektive) shqiptare po te rrasin ne 
>burg.
>
>Mundemi me diskutu se a kane te drejte p.sh. shqiptaret nga shqiperia te
>kerkojne azil ne Britani dhe te paraqiten si Kosovare.  Une mendoj se po.
>Mirpo per temen e mesiperme mund te argumentoni ad infinitum pa e ndryshu
>faktin. ( Jo te paren te mesiperme po ate tjetren te mesiperme a pe dini 
>per
>Britani dhe kriminela)
>
>Pra ne anen tjeter cdokush mundet me e shprehe mendimin e vet per ckado po
>jo te me bezdis me dokrra dokra dokra se kot e keni foli palidhje edhe ska
>arsyetim nepermes mailin listes.
>
>ce nje teme interesante:
>
>A mendoni se po ta kishin nenshkruar Serbet marrveshjen e Ramboulliet do te
>kishte perfunduar Kosova si Sierra Leone???
>
>Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!
>
>Jetemiri
>
>>From: Pasqyristi at aol.com
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!
>>)]
>>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:27:34 EDT
>>
>>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>>
>>Pajtohem me Besnikun;
>>
>>- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga
>>Shqiperia
>>para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe
>>faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te 
>>natyrshme
>>ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per
>>te
>>gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper
>>te
>>cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere:
>>p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i
>>komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti
>>shfaqin
>>mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper
>>naive)...
>>
>>- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape
>>
>>tung te gjitheve,
>>  nga Ari
>>
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>>   For English discusions, use the Prishtina-l list.
>
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From berisha at telia.com  Fri May 12 05:11:29 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Fri May 12 05:11:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pershendetje
In-Reply-To: <34.4f4d046.264a9e0e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEOEJICAAA.berisha@telia.com>

T? Peshendes!

?sht? ashtu Mal?!

Koha ?sh? qe qdo nj?ri t? mendoj dhe t? veproj n? at? frym qe ti e shkruan
ashtu siq Kenedi ka th?n...

Shpresoj qe t? kemi tema qe nxisin k?t qendrim qe n? fakt ?sht? i vetmi
p?r prosperitetin e popullit tan? pa marr? parasyshe se n? cilen pjes?
gjindet.

T? pershendet Jashar Berisha/Helsingborg/Suedi

-----Original Message-----
From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
[mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Mprebreza at aol.com
Sent: den 10 maj 2000 13:12
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pershendetje


             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

Ju pershendes te gjitheve !

Per here te pare sot kuptova se kemi nje forum ku mund te diskutohet ne
sfera
te ndryshme per kosoven.Mandej lexova edhe disa diskutime dhe E-mails.me sa
kuptova te gjitha diskutimet behen dhe sillen duke marre ne goje
personalitete, njerz te thjeshte.Nuk me ra ne sy asnje teme qe do te ishte
produktive per ardhmerine e Kosoves. Une medoj pamarre parasysh se kush
eshte
me i mire , ai apo tjetri , nuk eshte me rendesi fare.Nje duhet te jete e
qarte " POPULLI YNE NUK E MERITON TE VUAJ ME" ka vaujtur me dekada, ka qene
i
manipuluar dhe sherbyes i Serbise.
Tash AI eshte i lire , edhe pse i traumatizuar nga lufta, mbledh te gjitha
forcat dhe ka filluar jeten, ndertimin.
John Kennedy ka thene " mos siko se cka mund te beje atdheu per ty, por siko
cka mund te besh ti, ti per atdheun tend ".
Ne duhet ti lem grindjet, xhelozite ne mes veit, ta respektojme njeri
tjetrin, ta duam edhe nese mendoj ne menyra te ndryshme politikisht.Partine
mund ta zgjidhes, por shteti duhet te ket nje kase shtetrore, nje kuvend,
nje
kryetrar, minister qeverie etj.
Duhet ta rrespektojme njeri tjetrin per nder te gjakut qe u derdh, per
deshmoret qe dhane jeten per kete dite.

Pershendetje nga Mala


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From berisha at telia.com  Fri May 12 05:13:57 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (posta ime)
Date: Fri May 12 05:13:57 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
In-Reply-To: <20000512090022.48704.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPECEJJCAAA.berisha@telia.com>

Ashtu ?sht?
t? pershendet Jashari!

-----Original Message-----
From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
[mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Albert Hyseni
Sent: den 12 maj 2000 11:00
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra
(bullshit! )]


             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

Jetemir,

Stating the obvious is not necessarily a bad thing. Your last couple of
messages have reconfirmed that. So do not jump up and down when other people
do just that.

E sa i perket komentit tende:

"Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!"

Te lutem mos ne dis-respekto se ne kete list ka edhe njerez te menqem.

Mirembetsh.

>From: "Jetemir Balaj" <jbalaj at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!
>)]
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 01:10:52 BST
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>O pasqyrist vllau jem qe mirret me filozofi te rende qe e mban gjethmone
>rrugen e mesit dhe kurre kurgjo nuk arrine ( ne Anglish:  You bleeding
>hearted liberal) dhe qe eshte me e rrezikshme se dhete shkije me kallasha
>edhe me shlivovice
>
>O shoq ju metevertet spo kuptoni kjo nuk eshte nje pune qe kerkon gjykim!
>Shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Britani jane me prejardhje nga Shqiperia!
>Kjo eshte fakt! Edhe ska pajtim as gjykim as argumentim.  Ne mundemi me
>argumentu se a eshte bora e bardhe a e zeze po per kete ska argument!
>Sikur
>qe ska argument qe shumica e krimineleve shqiptar ne Gjermani jane Kosovare
>me prejardhje!
>
>A te pyetemi tani se a i kane dsahur prindet kur ishin te vegjel.  Se a i
>ka
>ledhatuar nena mjaft?  A i ka rrahur babai?  Apo mos jane traumatizuar kur
>e
>kane degjuar nenen dhe babain duke bere seks?  Po, po mesiguri eshte faji
>shoqerise se ashper Kosovare e bile edhe i shkijeve qe disa te rinje
>Kosovare e rrahin dhe e dhunojne plaken 67 vjecare, e plackisin e lene te
>lidhur dhe ne fund e pshurrin tu mos dite cka me bo.  Fati qe autoritetet
>Gjermane (megjthse jane krejte nacista) nuk pajtohen me ju shoqni dhe nuk
>ju
>intereson femijeria jone e pafat (kolektive) shqiptare po te rrasin ne
>burg.
>
>Mundemi me diskutu se a kane te drejte p.sh. shqiptaret nga shqiperia te
>kerkojne azil ne Britani dhe te paraqiten si Kosovare.  Une mendoj se po.
>Mirpo per temen e mesiperme mund te argumentoni ad infinitum pa e ndryshu
>faktin. ( Jo te paren te mesiperme po ate tjetren te mesiperme a pe dini
>per
>Britani dhe kriminela)
>
>Pra ne anen tjeter cdokush mundet me e shprehe mendimin e vet per ckado po
>jo te me bezdis me dokrra dokra dokra se kot e keni foli palidhje edhe ska
>arsyetim nepermes mailin listes.
>
>ce nje teme interesante:
>
>A mendoni se po ta kishin nenshkruar Serbet marrveshjen e Ramboulliet do te
>kishte perfunduar Kosova si Sierra Leone???
>
>Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!
>
>Jetemiri
>
>>From: Pasqyristi at aol.com
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit!
>>)]
>>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:27:34 EDT
>>
>>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>>
>>Pajtohem me Besnikun;
>>
>>- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga
>>Shqiperia
>>para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe
>>faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te
>>natyrshme
>>ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per
>>te
>>gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper
>>te
>>cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere:
>>p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i
>>komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti
>>shfaqin
>>mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper
>>naive)...
>>
>>- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape
>>
>>tung te gjitheve,
>>  nga Ari
>>
>>_______________________________________________________
>>This list is for discussions in Albanian language only.
>>   For English discusions, use the Prishtina-l list.
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 09:36:28 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Fri May 12 09:36:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000512133621.18848.qmail@hotmail.com>

O Albert Hyseni i dashuri i perendise

Mos u prek te lutem, po sun mun i duroj do deklarata qe e heqin fokusin nga 
poenta e e vene diku pa lidhje.  E pranoje se deklarata jote pak e kaloj 
krejt temen e doli ne gjegrafi. Pak e ndoshta se ka merituar reaksionin tim 
po ce e thashe!

Te lutem mos me gjyko ne baze te prinderve te mij po ne baze te veprimeve te 
mija.  Nese mendon se me turpron kjo reference ne prindet e mij gabohesh.  
Une nuk pranoj te jetoj nen hijen e tyre sido qe te jete ajo!  Me te vertete 
nuk jam si ata e a me i mire a me i keq, ... kush e di edhe kujt po i 
intereson.  Fundi i fundit jeten e jetojme vet a, e jo per prinderit tane, 
apo jo?

Nese ishe i ofenduar u ofendove per shkat te heqjes se fokusit nga tema si 
thashe me lart!  Me fal per reaksion te tejkaluar, por nuk mendoj se duhet 
te te kerkoj falje pse kam reaguar!

Nejse kalojme ne tema tjera apo ne tema qe kane te bejne me perparimin e 
Kosoves a dicka me interesant si P>SH> KUSH ESHTE PRONAR I GRANDIT DHE KUSH 
I MERR PARATE E FITUARA NGA AI?

Me rrespekt

Jetemiri
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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 09:50:16 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Fri May 12 09:50:16 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <20000512135002.2522.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te dashur

Mos u prekni se po me leni te dyshoj se kemi te bejme me probleme 
miz-mas-veshore.

Stating the obvious can also be boring and unproductive, and please allow 
for the fact that I am a jumpy kind of person that gets wound up from time 
to time.  Me kane traumatizuar ne angli duke me thene Nice day today isnt 
it!  Pra po e shihni se nuk eshte faji im po i shoqerise si dhe i shkijeve 
qe me kane detyruar ta leshoj vendlindjen ne moshe te re dhe te rritem pa 
kujdesin e prinderve qe me ka traumatizuar.

hehehehe

Mos ma zini per te madhe smujta me u duru!

>E sa i perket komentit tende:
>
>"Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!"
>
>Te lutem mos ne dis-respekto se ne kete list ka edhe njerez te menqem.
>

Ne cilin vend po them une se ska njerze te mencur ketu?  Ndoshta komenti im 
mund te interpretohet si "Deri tani skemi folur shume menqur" - pra as une 
si antare i ksaj liste!  Ne anen tjeter- eketu natyrisht perfshihem edhe 
une- deri tani une se paku nuk pashe prova pozitive te mencurise tone!  A 
jane komentet e tua per mencurine e antareve te kesaj liste (athua me ke 
perfshire edhe mua ketu?!?)shenje e nen-vetidijshme e kompleksit te vleres 
se ulet? A po degjoj miza dikund apo ndoshta po gutem perseri!

Ne ate raste injorojeni kete prorosi ose nese qendrimet e mia ju duken te 
papranueshme une jam i gatshem te terhiqem nga kjo liste!  Si te doni!  
Besoni kete process po e marr pa kurfar idhnimi dhe shpresoj se edhe ju e 
pranoni se diskutimet provokative jane me interesante apo jo!.

Ju pershendes

Jetemiri
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From vali2k at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 15:21:33 2000
From: vali2k at hotmail.com (val alba)
Date: Fri May 12 15:21:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: diskutime
Message-ID: <20000512192107.58039.qmail@hotmail.com>

Mendoj se te gjithe pjesemarresit e diskutimit qe prej dje pasdite
kemi dhene kontributin meritore per "asgje" e lere me per Kosoven
te cilen te gjithe e dojme.Shpresoj se te gjithe do t`i kthehemi tani
qellimit per te cilin kjo liste edhe eshte krijuar
[korigjomeni nes gabohem]
Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Vali



>From: "Jetemir Balaj" <jbalaj at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:50:02 BST
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Te dashur
>
>Mos u prekni se po me leni te dyshoj se kemi te bejme me probleme
>miz-mas-veshore.
>
>Stating the obvious can also be boring and unproductive, and please allow
>for the fact that I am a jumpy kind of person that gets wound up from time
>to time.  Me kane traumatizuar ne angli duke me thene Nice day today isnt
>it!  Pra po e shihni se nuk eshte faji im po i shoqerise si dhe i shkijeve
>qe me kane detyruar ta leshoj vendlindjen ne moshe te re dhe te rritem pa
>kujdesin e prinderve qe me ka traumatizuar.
>
>hehehehe
>
>Mos ma zini per te madhe smujta me u duru!
>
>>E sa i perket komentit tende:
>>
>>"Qprehuni vllazni shiptare nga bota mbare e te folim najsen meqem!"
>>
>>Te lutem mos ne dis-respekto se ne kete list ka edhe njerez te menqem.
>>
>
>Ne cilin vend po them une se ska njerze te mencur ketu?  Ndoshta komenti im
>mund te interpretohet si "Deri tani skemi folur shume menqur" - pra as une
>si antare i ksaj liste!  Ne anen tjeter- eketu natyrisht perfshihem edhe
>une- deri tani une se paku nuk pashe prova pozitive te mencurise tone!  A
>jane komentet e tua per mencurine e antareve te kesaj liste (athua me ke
>perfshire edhe mua ketu?!?)shenje e nen-vetidijshme e kompleksit te vleres
>se ulet? A po degjoj miza dikund apo ndoshta po gutem perseri!
>
>Ne ate raste injorojeni kete prorosi ose nese qendrimet e mia ju duken te
>papranueshme une jam i gatshem te terhiqem nga kjo liste!  Si te doni!
>Besoni kete process po e marr pa kurfar idhnimi dhe shpresoj se edhe ju e
>pranoni se diskutimet provokative jane me interesante apo jo!.
>
>Ju pershendes
>
>Jetemiri
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From mukata at swissonline.ch  Fri May 12 16:44:11 2000
From: mukata at swissonline.ch (Bajram Mukata)
Date: Fri May 12 16:44:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?ka_nevoj=EB_per_ndrim_t=EB_mendimeve_por_jo_sharje?=
Message-ID: <001301bfbc52$be0b1240$b85a18c3@default>

Sot n? m?ngjes i lexova disa diskutime por t? them t? drejt?n nuk m?sova dhe nuk kuptova asgj?. Shumica e tyre ishin sharje me njeri tjetrin. me duket se ka vend? dhe nevoj? per diskutima m? serioze se sa t? shahemi n? mes vehte
ju p?rsh?ndes

Bajrami  
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From DNV990 at cj.aubg.bg  Sat May 13 06:15:26 2000
From: DNV990 at cj.aubg.bg (Velija      Dardan	 NA)
Date: Sat May 13 06:15:26 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bul
Message-ID: <24525AB7A66@cj.aubg.bg>

ku je ari?



From:           Pasqyristi at aol.com
Date sent:      Thu, 11 May 2000 19:27:34 EDT
Subject:        Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
To:             prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Send reply to:  prishtina-l at alb-net.com

Pajtohem me Besnikun;

- dhe deshiroj qe te gjithe ne (kosovaret) dhe vete shqiptaret nga Shqiperia 
para se te japin ndonje gjykim le te mendojne me shume per rrethanat dhe 
faktoret qe ndikuan ne shfaqjen e ndryshimeve (qe per mua jane te natyrshme 
ne cdo popuull) brenda etnitetit shqiptar (kur them "shqiptar" mendoj per te 
gjithe shqiptaret kudo qe jetojne). Kjo eshte nje faze e domosdoshme neper te 
cilen populli yne duhet patjeter te kaloj (ashtu edhe si popuj te tjere: 
p.sh. p. gjerman...), dhe ky nuk do te jete proces homogjen, por mjaft i 
komplikuar dhe i ndryshueshem, ku njerezit fat(keq)miresisht mund ti shfaqin 
mendimet e tyre pa u ndrydhur (edhe nese ato njdonjehere jane teper naive)...

- ... do t'ju shkruaj prape

tung te gjitheve,
 nga Ari 




From uzsymc at uni-bonn.de  Sat May 13 10:24:38 2000
From: uzsymc at uni-bonn.de (Mentor Sahiti)
Date: Sat May 13 10:24:38 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <LPBBJMMNPKOECNJCEHDJKEAMCAAA.uzsymc@uni-bonn.de>

Jetemir edhe ti mos u prek, veq prej nja 50 emailave ne kete liste, 25%
ishin nga ti,
dhe 99% e tyre ishin reagime ndaj personave tjere. Te ti po dominon sidomos
fjala
_pranoje_. Si me pas kone prokuror, a gjykates! Edhe rolin e moderatorit po
ki qef
me lu.
Nese deshiron me diskutu me dikend, atehere rregulli eshte me i ndegju dhe
me
respektu edhe mendimin e te tjer?ve, e jo me i detyru me pranu mendimin
tend - qe
sipas teje - i vetmi mendim i drejte qenka. Nese niset secili me mendimin se
ai vet eshte me i men?mi, atehere nuk do te kete kurrfare diskutimi
produktiv, si e pashe diten e pare te anetaresimit tim ne kete liste.
Jetemir, ky reagim nuk ka te beje kurgje me pjesen permbajtesore te emailave
tu, por me (jo)respektin tend ndaj anetareve tjere te listes.
Nese nuk e ke keqkuptu kete email, atehere nuk do te beshe reply ne kete
message.

Greetings
mentori


P.S. une p'e _pranoj_





From burimh at hotmail.com  Sat May 13 11:20:41 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Sat May 13 11:20:41 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! )]
Message-ID: <20000513152030.49768.qmail@hotmail.com>

Kush ia ka inatin Jetmirit i cofte qeni ja maca(n'paqit)...
A e dini bre ju kush o Jetmir Balaj? Jetmiri o kone organizatori kryesor i 
demonstratave ne Edinburg gjate luftes n'kosove, si dhe demonstratave tjera. 
Ata qi jetojne, punojne, e vjedhin n'Londer e dine kete pune...
Pra, lexoni shkrimet e tina e ngritnu pak, e vetni veten cka keni bo ju 
gjate luftes perpos qi e keni harxhite palidhje ajrin(natyrisht, kjo vlen 
vec per ata qi kane bo seri...).

Jetmir, vec perpara...

I joti deri n'amshim
Burimi


>From: "Mentor Sahiti" <uzsymc at uni-bonn.de>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:39:31 +0200
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Jetemir edhe ti mos u prek, veq prej nja 50 emailave ne kete liste, 25%
>ishin nga ti,
>dhe 99% e tyre ishin reagime ndaj personave tjere. Te ti po dominon sidomos
>fjala
>_pranoje_. Si me pas kone prokuror, a gjykates! Edhe rolin e moderatorit po
>ki qef
>me lu.
>Nese deshiron me diskutu me dikend, atehere rregulli eshte me i ndegju dhe
>me
>respektu edhe mendimin e te tjer?ve, e jo me i detyru me pranu mendimin
>tend - qe
>sipas teje - i vetmi mendim i drejte qenka. Nese niset secili me mendimin 
>se
>ai vet eshte me i men?mi, atehere nuk do te kete kurrfare diskutimi
>produktiv, si e pashe diten e pare te anetaresimit tim ne kete liste.
>Jetemir, ky reagim nuk ka te beje kurgje me pjesen permbajtesore te 
>emailave
>tu, por me (jo)respektin tend ndaj anetareve tjere te listes.
>Nese nuk e ke keqkuptu kete email, atehere nuk do te beshe reply ne kete
>message.
>
>Greetings
>mentori
>
>
>P.S. une p'e _pranoj_
>
>
>
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From kosova at jps.net  Sat May 13 19:43:06 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Sat May 13 19:43:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Afrimi_i_afatit_t=EB_zgjedhjeve_shkakton_dilema_rret?=
 =?Windows-1252?Q?h_=22nd=EBrgjegj=EBsimit=22_t=EB_shtypit_kosovar?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFCEGBCOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Afrimi i afatit t? zgjedhjeve shkakton dilema rreth
"nd?rgjegj?simit" t? shtypit kosovar

Isuf Hajrizi (12 Maj - Uashington)
P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

   Edhe pse n? Kongres ekziston nj? ndenj? se trupat amerikane do t? duhej
t? t?rhiqeshin nga Kosova sa m? par?, qeveria n? an?n  tjet?r gjithnj? e m?
tep?r po inkuadrohet n? marrjen e vendimeve drejt p?rmir?simit t? gjendjes
n? Kosov?, nganjeher? edhe mbi kok?n e UNMIK-ut.  Kjo m? s? miri v?rehet n?
vendimin e qeveris? amerikane q? zgjedhjet bashkiake n? Kosov? t? mbahen m?
s? largu deri n? fillim t? muajit tetor.  Edhe pse zyrtar?t e OKB-s? dhe
OSBE-s? nuk e p?rkrah?n iden?, duke u ankuar se nuk kishte koh? t?
mjafueshme p?r p?rgatitjen e zgjedhjeve, Uashingtoni e ka refuzouar
kompromisin.
   "Shtetet e Bashkuara besojn? se fillimi i tetorit ?sht? koha e fundit e
arsyeshme kur do t? mbahen zgjedhjet," deklaroi prerazi ambasadori amerikan
Dejvid Xhonson i cili kryeson misionin e Organizat?s p?r Siguri dhe
Bashk?punim n? Evrop?. Ai i b?ri komemntet e tij jav?n e kaluar para
K?shillit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? OSBE-s? n? Vien?.
   Mir?po p?r t? shkuar zgjedhjet si duhet, ambasadori amerikan i b?ri
thirrje krye administratorit t? OKB-s? n? Kosov?, Bernard Kushner dhe
kryesuesit t? OSBE-s? Dan Everts q? t? marrin masa p?r "rregullimin" e
shtypit kosovar q? nxit? urrejtje midis shqiptar?ve dhe serb?ve.
   "Zoti Kushner, zoti Everts, Shtetet e Bashkuara kan? arritur konkludimin
se fatkeq?sisht na duhet t? nd?rmarrim masa t? rrepta ndaj deklaratave
nxit?se," deklaroi Xhonson.  Ai krahas p?rg?zimit t? vendimit q? UNMIK-u ka
nd?rmarr? p?r miratimin e "kodit t? sh?rbimit" p?r televizion dhe radio,
ambasadori amerikan tha se gazetat duhet sa m? par? t'i n?nshtorhen
"rregullit" q? ka paraqitrur OKB.
   "Ne jemi t?r?sisht t? mendimit se metodat e ndryshme p?r t'ju kund?rvuar
(k?tij lloj shtypi) duhet t? nd?rmerren sa m? par?," deklaroi zyrtari
amerikan.
   Gazetat q? do t? hyjn? n? thumbin e kritik?s amerikane jan? ato q?
Uashingtoni i konsideron "ekstremiste" dhe t? cilat n? faqet e tyre shpesh
b?jn? thirrje p?r hajmarrje kund?r serb?ve. Nd?r gazetat dhe agjencit?
"nxit?se" ?sht? identifikuar Bota Sot, p?r shembull.  P?r k?t? gazet?
shkroi muajin e kaluar e p?rditshmja amerikane The ?ashington Post.  N? nj?
shkrim t? botuar n? k?t? gazet? me dat?n 3 prill thuhet se n? faqet e
gazet?s kosovare lexuesit "gjejn? nj? bot? t? mbushur me urrejtje"  Sipas
Bot?s Sot, shkruan ?ashington Post, "t? gjith? serb?t q? jetojn? sot n?
Kosov? jan? kriminel?" dhe se "hakmarrja kund?r tyre ?sht? nj? instinkt i
natyrsh?m."  M? tutje citohet Bota Sot se nd?rkomb?tar?t, "jan? solidarizuar
dhe haptas bashk?punojn? me kriminel?t serb?."
   Shkrimet e tilla n? shtypin shqiptar?, kan? frik? zyrtar?t amerikan?,
mund ta rrezikojn? realizimin e zgjedhjeve t? lira, si dhe do ta b?jn? t?
pamundur realizimin e planit tjet?r amerikan p?r kthimin e serb?ve n?
Kosov?.
   Mir?po p?rkund?r shqet?simeve t? tyre p?r shtypin "nxit?s," zyrtar?t
amerikan? n? ve&anti dhe ata pe?ndimor? n? p?rgjith?si jan? t? vet?dijsh?m
se nuk do t? kan? mund?si p?r ta ndaluar nj? lloji shtypi t? till? p?rmes
ndonj? mase arbitrare, p?r shkak se ata n? t? nj?jt?n koh? d?shirojn? q? n?
Kosov? t? inkurrajohet shtypi dhe fjala e lir?.  Por ata shpresojn? se
miratimi i kusht?tut?s s? Kosov?s p?r t? cil?n po punohet me nism?n
amerikane, do t? mund?soj? edhe kufizimin e shtypit t? "papergjegj?sh?m,"
siq i referohen ata, sikurse ?sht? rasti n? Shtete e Bashkuara ku mjetet e
informimit si dhe autor?t e shkrimit padit?n n? gjyq nga i "d?mtuari." Pra
nuk ?sht? ligji p?r shtypin (gj? q? n? Amerik? as q? ekziston nj? ligj i
till?) por frika nga padia ajo q? e mban median amerikane t?
"nd?rgjegj?shme."
   Aryeja pse amerikan?t jan? t? shqet?suar p?r fatin e mjeteve t?
informimit n? Kosov? ?sht? roli i fuqish?m q? luan media sot n? marrjen e
vednimeve t? udh?heq?sve si n? politik?n e jashtme ashtu edhe n? problemet e
brendshme.
   Media dhe mb?shtetja n? te ka p?suar evolucion dom?th?n?s q? nga vitet
60-ta e k?ndej.  Gjat? kriz?s amerikane m? Rusin? n? t? ashtuquajtur?n Krize
e raketave kubane n? vitin 1962, sekretari i mbrojtjes n? at? koh?, Robert
Meknemara, e kishte pranuar haptas se gjat? t?r? kriz?s nuk e kishte shikuar
televizionin n? koh?n kur presidenti Xhon Kenedi dhe k?shilltar?t e tij po
merreshin me &?shtjet q? mund t? qonin Amerik?n n? nj? luft? b?rthamore me
Bashkimin Sovjetik.
   Po t? shtyhet ora p?rpara deri n? vitin 1999 n? konfliktin e Kosov?s,
?sht? maramend?s roli q? luajti media n? vendimin q? mori m? von? qeveria
p?r nd?rhyrje.   Nga imazhet trishtuese t? ikjes s? refugjat?ve shqiptar?,
te propaganda e luft?s n? internet dhe deri te k?shillatr?t e presidentit
Klinton duke debatuar se si t'i paraqesin objektivat e qeveris? para
publikut, informimi luajti rolin dominues n? politik?n e jashtme amerikane
gjat? konfliktit n? Kosov?.
   Zyrtar?t amerikan tash jan? bindur se ?sht? gabim q? qeveria t? injoroi
rolin influnecues s? medias.  Q? nga viti 1992 deri me 1995, Presidenti
Xhorxh Bush dhe m? von? Presidenti Klinton nuk besonin se lufta n? Bosnj?
k?rc?non interesat amerikane deri n? at? pik? q? duhej d?rguar forcat
ushtarake atje.  Por mbulimi i vazhduesh?m nga media i masakrave dhe
vuajtjes njer?zore i bindi udh?heq?sit amerikan s? kjo luft? nuk mund t?
injorohej m? tutje.
   Shtetet e Bashkuara po punojn? me intenzitet q? n? Kosov? sa m? shpejt t?
v?rehet nj?far? rezultati nga lufta e NATO-s kund?r Serbis?.  Ata gjithashtu
d?shirojn? q? me &do kusht ta p?rmir?sojn? imazhin e tyre si "tep?r
pro-shqiptar? dhe anti-serb?" dhe si pik?nisje n? k?t? drejtim po p?rpiqen
q? t'ju mund?sojn? serb?ve kthimin e tyre n? Kosov?.  Ata jan? t?
vet?dijshsh?m se rol kryesor n? k?t? fush? do t? luan media.  Me afrimin e
afatit t? zgjedhjeve n? Kosov?, pritet q? t? shtohet edhe trysnia mbi median
q? ajo t? jet? objektive, t? informoj? drejt dhe t'ja l? t? drejt?n p?r
gjykim lexuesit.





From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Sat May 13 19:43:16 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Sat May 13 19:43:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Demant Burim Hana
Message-ID: <20000513234309.7934.qmail@hotmail.com>

Me lejoni te demantoj ashper porosine e meposhtme derguar nga Zoti Burim 
Hana per arsye si vijojne:

1.  Ptu, ptu ptu, larg kofte edhe tybe stukfurullah me i cofe kujte maca a 
qeni, edhe nese keto kafshe shtepiake jane vetem imagjinare apo te 
pllastikes!

Sidomos per shkak te inatit ndaj meje!  Une e pranoj inatin si emocion 
themelore dhe shtytes kryesore ne shoqerine njerezore!  Mos te ishte inati i 
shkaut ku ja kishim gjete vetes funin na shiptaret.  Ata qe nuk pajtohen le 
ta shiqojne gjendjen e tanishme ne Kosoven e lire e multikultietnike!

2.  Une kurre nuk kam qene ne Edinburg, e aq me pak kam organizuar 
demonstrata atje!  Metutje meritat e mija ne Britani gjate luftes zbehen dhe 
nuk mund te permendedn ne krahasim me meritat e atyre qe e kane deshmu veten 
TU VENI! (kete e them me plot seriozitet)

E kam vetem nje prehje: se nuk kam shkuar si perkthyes ne kampe te 
refugjatve per 10 tupana oren!

Me kete rast shfrytzoj kete rast ti pershendes ata qe punojne ne Londer, 
ilegalisht apo edhe me letra (hajnat not included!), e ne mes tyre edhe 
shokun dhe bashkativistin Zotin Burim Hana ne partyn e te cillit me ka pas 
mete boll zhig qe sun mun shkova.

Burim fjalet e tua jane prehje e kendshme per nje artist, poet dhe filozof 
si une sidomos ne keto ore te vona te nates kur po i shkruaj kta rreshta!

Te don deri ne vdekje and beyond

Jetemiri



>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:20:30 GMT
>
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>Kush ia ka inatin Jetmirit i cofte qeni ja maca(n'paqit)...
>A e dini bre ju kush o Jetmir Balaj? Jetmiri o kone organizatori kryesor i 
>demonstratave ne Edinburg gjate luftes n'kosove, si dhe demonstratave 
>tjera. Ata qi jetojne, punojne, e vjedhin n'Londer e dine kete pune...
>Pra, lexoni shkrimet e tina e ngritnu pak, e vetni veten cka keni bo ju 
>gjate luftes perpos qi e keni harxhite palidhje ajrin(natyrisht, kjo vlen 
>vec per ata qi kane bo seri...).
>
>Jetmir, vec perpara...
>
>I joti deri n'amshim
>Burimi

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From jbalaj at hotmail.com  Sat May 13 20:08:21 2000
From: jbalaj at hotmail.com (Jetemir Balaj)
Date: Sat May 13 20:08:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] A egziston me shume se nje e vertete?!?
Message-ID: <20000514000810.95663.qmail@hotmail.com>

Mentor Sahiti me qkroi:

>Nese nuk e ke keqkuptu kete email, atehere nuk do te beshe reply ne kete 
>message.
>
>Greetings
>mentori
>P.S. une p'e _pranoj_

Dhe me nxuni ngushte me nje argument cirkulare (mu si sharra me te njejtin 
emer) dhe gati se me detyroj ta mbylle gojen per here te pare prejse kam 
shkuar ne zhytje. He cma ke qu mallin e do kushave te mij ne Dobordelan qe 
gjith u munojshin me me mujte me do ksi kungja si p.sh.  Cilla oshte ma e 
rone a ni kille lesha ni kille plum.

Une se kom keqekuptu kete e-mail edhe kjo nuk eshte reply ne kete msg.  Po e 
hapi nje teme tjeter me kete rast (nese me lejoni)e tema eshte korrektesia 
politike!

Po e kerkoj mendimin tuaj ju lutem:

Kur nuk pajtohesh me dikend, kur mendimi i dikujte te duket i pavlefte (spo 
perdori fjale me te renda se po dua te tregoj permbajtje dhe rrrrrespekt) a 
duhet medoemos te thuash:

"Me fal po nuk mund te pajtohem me kete mendim tendin te cilin e cmoj sipas 
principit te rrespektimit te mendimit te te tjereve, por megjithate nuk 
pajtohem me te!"

apo ka te drejte personi jo-pajtues te thote:

"Ke fole pa lidhje shoq edhe tash baj pasojat te cilat munde te jen e-maila 
mos rrespektues, ne mes tjerash."  A nuk eshte kjo nje rrezik qe cdo njeri e 
pranon kushtimisht sa here e hape gojen!?! (pa perjashtuar vetveten!)

A nuk eshte baza themelore e rrespektit cmimi i mendimit te dikujte dhe 
menyres se mendimit si pjese integrale te karakterit te atij personi?

Apo duhet ti rrespektojme njerezit ne baze te faktoreve tjere si p.sh. 
mosha, pozita ne shoqeri, statuti i tyre, prejardhja, etj.

Apo ndoshta jemi te detyruar ti rrespektojme njerezit kushtimisht, pa marre 
parasyshe cka flasin ata (dmth cfare eshte karakteri i tyre)!

Mendimi im eshte qe njeriu duhet ta thote te verteten ashtu si e sheh pa 
marre parasyshe efektin emocional qe mund ta kete ne dikend tjeter (larg 
qofte prej meje ta traumatizoj dikend), apo se a i ka thyer ca rregulla te 
miresjelles se shoqerise moderrne (shqiptare apo te huaj) ne raste kur keto 
rregulla e cenojne lirin e tij te te shprehurit.

Ne kete mendim une e bazoj praktiken time te quajtjes se gjerave me emrin e 
tyre, ashtu si i shoh une!  Nuk ua mohoj te tjereve kete te drejte pervec ne 
raste kur shfrytzimi i kesaj te drejte nga te tjeret me nervozon!  Pra, nese 
e drejta te cilen e marr duke i mos rrespektuar te tjeret ju nervozon dhe 
mendoni se ia shkurton te drejten te tjereve ne lirine e te shprehurit, ju 
ftoj te me mosrrespektoni edhe ju apo te me kick/ban nga ky discussion list 
apo te me sanksiononi si mendoni se ka nevoje!  Une ua pranoj kete te 
drejte!

Ja pra edhe une pranova dicka!  Se pervegj gjykatesit, prokurorit, avokatit 
dhe jurise une di te jem edhe i akuzuari! (shenja shizofrenie me 
personalitete te shumta apo vetem imagjinata e zhvilluar - vendosni vete)

E falenderoj zotin Mentor Sahiti per oferte te postit te moderatorit te 
kesaj liste por kjo pozite e kerkon nje "moderim" dhe "korrektiesi politike" 
te cilen nuk e kam!  (hehehe smu duru pak pa u shegar shoqni mos ma nxini 
per te madhe)

Ne fund po ju le me pyetjen shekullore: a egziston vetem nje e vertete apo e 
verteta nuk egziston fare, vetem pikpamje te ndryshme te njerzve te 
ndryshem? (IS THERE SUCH A THING AS TRUTH/FACT?)

I juaji deri ne aksham,

Jetemiri

P.S. Mailat prej keasaj liste i pranoj me gezim dhe buzqeshje veshum vesh 
dhe ju falenderohem per kohen e juaj ne diskutim!

Argumentet ma produktive jane kur hallku e rrespektojne njeri tjetrin!  
Argumentet ma interesante dhe qesharake jane mes personave qe kurrsesi nuk 
pajtohen me njerti tjetrin pa marre parasyshe temen.  Kjo liste ndoshta nuk 
eshte produktive po interesant DEFINITIVISHT!

>From: "Mentor Sahiti" <uzsymc at uni-bonn.de>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bullshit! 
>)]
>Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:39:31 +0200
>
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>Jetemir edhe ti mos u prek, veq prej nja 50 emailave ne kete liste, 25%
>ishin nga ti,
>dhe 99% e tyre ishin reagime ndaj personave tjere. Te ti po dominon sidomos
>fjala
>_pranoje_. Si me pas kone prokuror, a gjykates! Edhe rolin e moderatorit po
>ki qef
>me lu.
>Nese deshiron me diskutu me dikend, atehere rregulli eshte me i ndegju dhe
>me
>respektu edhe mendimin e te tjer?ve, e jo me i detyru me pranu mendimin
>tend - qe
>sipas teje - i vetmi mendim i drejte qenka. Nese niset secili me mendimin 
>se
>ai vet eshte me i men?mi, atehere nuk do te kete kurrfare diskutimi
>produktiv, si e pashe diten e pare te anetaresimit tim ne kete liste.
>Jetemir, ky reagim nuk ka te beje kurgje me pjesen permbajtesore te 
>emailave
>tu, por me (jo)respektin tend ndaj anetareve tjere te listes.
>
>
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From vali2k at hotmail.com  Sun May 14 05:37:08 2000
From: vali2k at hotmail.com (val alba)
Date: Sun May 14 05:37:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]Respekt dhe lavdata
Message-ID: <20000514093700.8383.qmail@hotmail.com>

Ka tri dite qe jam inkuadruar ne kete liste dhe jam plotesisht i
zhgenjyer me rrjedhen dhe permbajtjen e "dialogut" [se ketu diskutime
nuk kishte po vetem dialog mes personave te caktuar re:problemeve per-
sonale]. Me duhet te pranoj se diapazoni i njohurive qe treguat eshte
per lavdata dhe gezohem qe kemi nje rini aq te shendoshe , por
gjithashtu me duhet te them se nuk jam regjistruar ne kete liste per
te humbur kohe me krekosjet e individeve te caktuar.Prap po them,
gjitha lavdatat per njohurit dhe ju lutem edhe njeher perdorini ne
favor te qellimit te egzistimit te kesaj liste.I kisha lutur
organizatoret e listes te me korrigjojne nese e kam keqekuptuar
qellimin themelor te listes sepse vetem disa shkrime deri tani ishin
me permbajtje meritore.Shpresoj se nuk do te jeme i detyruar te
c`regjistrohem.
Me respekt te gjithe atedhedashesve
Vali


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From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk  Mon May 15 09:01:02 2000
From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi)
Date: Mon May 15 09:01:02 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos f
Message-ID: <200005151300.e4FD0ul15141@alb-net.com>

Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    13 May 00, 13:31
    To:      prishtina-l at alb-net.com
    Subject: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos fol dokrra (bul

Was read at 14:00, 15 May 100.




From berisha at telia.com  Mon May 15 10:54:17 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (Jashar B)
Date: Mon May 15 10:54:17 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Kur ske cka flet mos f
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Kujt i drejtohesh Avdyl... me k?t? mesazh..
pershendetje jashar berisha

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Was read at 14:00, 15 May 100.


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From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk  Mon May 15 11:48:08 2000
From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi)
Date: Mon May 15 11:48:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] leter
Message-ID: <200005151548.e4FFm6l18333@alb-net.com>

pershendetje te gjithve 


 ju kisha lutur operatorit te kesaj liste te me qlyj nga adresati i 
prishtina-l at alba-net.com 


    KJO ESHT HERA E DYT QE JA U BEJ KET KERKES

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From fsi at gmx.net  Mon May 15 12:05:35 2000
From: fsi at gmx.net (fsi at gmx.net)
Date: Mon May 15 12:05:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice
Message-ID: <5579.958406568@www8.gmx.net>

tungatjeta te gjithve,

nuk kam qen 16 vjet ne Kosove. A mos e dini, se jan Pistat ne brezovice
per tu skijat ne funkcijon apo ndeshta i kan bombarduar??


Faleminderit

Fatmiri

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From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk  Mon May 15 12:06:20 2000
From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi)
Date: Mon May 15 12:06:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <200005151606.e4FG6El19149@alb-net.com>

MIRDITA VLLAZER DHE MOTRA 



     VETEM NJE HER KAM SHKRUAJTUR NE KET FORUM DHE 
THASH SE SDO TE SHKRUAJ ME .PO QKA TE BAJSH JU 
EDHE TE VDEKURIN PO E SHTIJSHI TE FOL ME ATO 
PARAGJYKIME CINIKE QE SKAN KURRFAR BAZE.

     KRIMINELI SKA AS KOMB E AS FE .NE VEND QE TE 
SHIQOJM SE QKA NA BASHKON,KOMBI QE ESHT MAS E 
RANDSISHMJA NE SHIQOJM SE QKA NA NDAN DHE E SHAJM 
NJERI TJETRIN DUKE MENDUAR SE KOJ NA BEN MA 
PATRIOTE E SE DIJM QE PO E SHAJM VETVETEN.

      DUKE ILEXUAR KETO LETRA E SHOHI PSE NE (KOSOVA)
SKEMI HALA SHTET TONIN EDHE PSE KY KONKLUDIM VRET 
PRAPSEPRAP ESHT I VERTET.
NEVE THJESHT NA MUNGON KULTURA E DIALOGUT TE NE 
HALA MBIZOTRON MENDIMI "SJE ME MUA JE KUNDER MEJE"
KERKOJ FALJE ATYRE QE PA DESHIR I KAM IDHNUAR.






From Pasqyristi at aol.com  Mon May 15 13:07:53 2000
From: Pasqyristi at aol.com (Pasqyristi at aol.com)
Date: Mon May 15 13:07:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:ku je ARI
Message-ID: <38.5f158de.265188df@aol.com>

I dashuri(a) ...X

...me falni po nuk po ju njoh. Do te ishte mire nese ne email-in e ardhshem 
te prezentoheni!

te pershendete,
ARI 



From fadilsadiku at hotmail.com  Mon May 15 15:10:28 2000
From: fadilsadiku at hotmail.com (Fadil Sadiku)
Date: Mon May 15 15:10:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] kush jam Une
Message-ID: <20000515191004.78711.qmail@hotmail.com>

Pasi deshironi ta dini se kush jame:
Nje nga Gjilani dhe nese deshiron te dish diqka me teper pyet prap?
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From Kujtim5 at aol.com  Mon May 15 20:23:45 2000
From: Kujtim5 at aol.com (Kujtim5 at aol.com)
Date: Mon May 15 20:23:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] kush jam Une
Message-ID: <28.5a7f6ee.2651ef01@aol.com>

Me fal,
E pashe se je nga Gjilani me behet qejfi pasi qe edhe une jam nga Gjilani. Do 
te kisha deshire te dija dicka me teper per ty, ku jeton, dhe qe sa je 
larguar nga Gjilani?
Kujtim Latifi
Princeton NJ
USA
Perndryshe nje vit qe e kam lene Gjilanin si pasoje e luftes...
Tung



From valon5 at email.com  Tue May 16 12:25:58 2000
From: valon5 at email.com (Valon Hamiti)
Date: Tue May 16 12:25:58 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice
Message-ID: <381543759.958494352595.JavaMail.root@web07.pub01>

o djal un nuk jom kan qe 2 vjet ne brezovic e me ka mar malli shum, po ti ste koke ne tok hiq, spo e din.
pistat ne brezovice jan te parekura po brezovica eshte ba e shkret. 

Le krejt po nuk po dishe ti hala qe kamba e shqiptair nuk guxon me shkel ne brezovice se hiq, lene mo me i shku menja me skiju.

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tungatjeta te gjithve,

nuk kam qen 16 vjet ne Kosove. A mos e dini, se jan Pistat ne brezovice
per tu skijat ne funkcijon apo ndeshta i kan bombarduar??


Faleminderit

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From teuta.m at usa.net  Tue May 16 15:29:17 2000
From: teuta.m at usa.net (teuta.m at usa.net)
Date: Tue May 16 15:29:17 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice]
Message-ID: <20000516192914.17637.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net>

Valon Hamiti <valon5 at email.com> wrote:
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o djal un nuk jom kan qe 2 vjet ne brezovic e me ka mar malli shum, po ti ste
koke ne tok hiq, spo e din.
pistat ne brezovice jan te parekura po brezovica eshte ba e shkret. 

Le krejt po nuk po dishe ti hala qe kamba e shqiptair nuk guxon me shkel ne
brezovice se hiq, lene mo me i shku menja me skiju.

------Original Message------
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To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Sent: May 15, 2000 4:02:48 PM GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice


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tungatjeta te gjithve,

nuk kam qen 16 vjet ne Kosove. A mos e dini, se jan Pistat ne brezovice
per tu skijat ne funkcijon apo ndeshta i kan bombarduar??


Faleminderit

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Valon po cuditem se si paske shku ti para dy viteve ne Brezovice kur edhe
atehere ka qene e okupuar nga shkijet. Une per vehte nuk kam qene prej vitit
"89 per te skijuar ne Brezovice edhe pse dikur kam qene kampione e Kosoves.

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From p9 at mail.com  Tue May 16 16:22:44 2000
From: p9 at mail.com (___P_9___ bomba)
Date: Tue May 16 16:22:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <383271005.958508561893.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com>

A do t? jet? Gojart Kelmendi polic i ardhsh?m i Kosov?s?



Biri i Jusuf Kelmendit, ish-drejtor i Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, (i cili ka
ikur n? Serbi bashk? me forcat serbe t? sigurimit), v?lla i pun?torit t?
Sh?rbimit Sekret serb, Gojarti nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars 1999 ka ndjekur
Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd, Dega e Kriminalistik?s. Dy dit? pas fillimit
t? bombardimeve ?sht? kthyer n? Kosov? dhe pas kat?r-pes? dit?sh, me maric?
t? policis? serbe, s? bashku me familjen ka ikur n? Beograd, n? koh?n kur
afro nj? milion shqiptar? ishin strehuar n? kampet e Shqip?ris? dhe t?
Maqedonis?. Me gjith? biografin? e dyshimt?, Gojarti sot vijon Shkoll?n
Policore n? Vushtrri.



Prishtin?, 15 maj (Kosovapress) ? Gojart Kelmendi gjith? jet?n ka ?nd?rruar
t? b?het polic. ?far? ngjyre dhe cilit pushtet do t?i p?rkas? uniforma e
tij, p?r t? nuk ka edhe aq r?nd?si. Nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars t? vitit
1999, kur filluan bombardimet e NATO-s mbi caqet ushtarake t? ?RFJ-s?", ai
ka vijuar Deg?n e Kriminalistik?s, n? Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd. N? koh?n
kur ishin nx?n?sit e k?saj shkolle i zbatonin me p?rpik?ri n? Kosov?
urdh?rat e regjimit, duke vrar? e torturuar shqiptar?. I veshur me uniform?,
pantallona ngjyr? kafe dhe k?mish? oker, n? xhepin e s? cil?s mbante t?
varur kart?n e studentit t? klas?s D2 t? gjenerat?s s? kat?rt t? Shkoll?s
Policore n? Vushtrri, t? m?rkur?n, n? lokalet e k?saj shkolle, Gojarti
p?rpiqej t? mbroj? ?t? drejt?n" e tij, p?r t? qen? pjes?tar i policis? s? re
t? Kosov?s. ?M? ?sht? dukur m? mir? ta l? at? shkoll? (n? Beograd) dhe t?
vij? k?tu", thoshte Gojarti, 21 vje?ar, pa pik? gjaku n? fytyr? dhe me duart
q? i dridheshin. Nd?n?se e mohon, Gojarti edhe dy-tri her? t? tjera, ka
konkurruar n? Sh?rbimin Policor t? Kosov?s (ShPK), por ?sht? refuzuar. Cila
ishte arsyeja? Babai i Gojartit, Jusuf Kelmendi, ishte drejtor i Burgut t?
Smrekovnic?s n? koh?n kur Kosova administrohej nga serb?t, nd?rsa t? gjith?
pun?tor?t shqiptar? ishin d?buar me dhun? nga vendet e pun?s. P?r m? tep?r,
Jusuf Kelmendi edhe sot i q?ndron besnik pun?dh?n?sve t? vet?. Ndodhet diku
n? Serbi dhe ?sht? an?tar i Bordit t? drejtor?ve t? burgjeve t? Serbis?.
Burgjeve prapa grilave t? t? cilave mbahen qindra shqiptar?. Nd?rkoh?,
v?llai i Gojartit, Memli shkon gjurm?ve t? t? atit. Madje, ai kishte nj?
detyr? edhe m? ?fisnike". Ishte pjes?tar i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. Gojarti
insiston t? vazhdoj? tradit?n familjare policore. Por, a ?sht? ky njeriu q?
i duhet policis? s? re dhe demokratike t? Kosov?s? Z?ved?skomisioneri p?r
planifikim dhe zhvillim i policis? s? UNMIKU-ut, amerikani John Collins,
pohon se kur ?sht? pranuar kandidatura e Gojartit, kan? pasur informacione
se ?far? ka punuar babai i tij. ?Ne kishim informacione se babai i tij ka
qen? drejtor burgu dhe se vazhdon t? punoj? n? serbi, por nuk kemi mundur t?
v?rtetojm? asgj? t? keqe p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit", thot? Collins dhe
shpjegon se ?disa fqinj dhe miq? t? tij, na kan? treguar p?r baban?, por
kan? th?n? se Gojarti i p?rmbush kriteret p?r polic". P?rve? intervistave
dhe testeve me kandidat?, n? hetimet e policis? s? UNMIK-ut dhe t?
mbik?qyr?sve t? OSBE-s?, p?rfshihen edhe dy apo tri d?shmi t? miqve dhe t?
njohurve t? kandidat?ve p?r polic? t? ardhsh?m t? Kosov?s. P?r Gojartin kan?
d?shmuar halla e tij dhe fqinji i tij, Ajri Begu, drejtor i Autoritetit p?r
Banka dhe Pagesa t? Kosov?s (Ajri Begu ?sht? bashk?shorti i doktoresh?s
Flora Brovina, e cila ?sht? rr?mbyer nga forcat serbe dhe tani mbahet n?
burgun e Pozharevcit - sh?n i KP).  ?Pyetni Ajri Begun, ai mund t?u flas p?r
mua, sepse ai ma ka n?nshkruar d?shmin?", insistonte Gojarti. ?Un? e njoh
Gojartin si nj? djal? t? ri, t? kulturuar, t? edukuar? Nuk di p?r t?
kaluar?n e familjes s? tij", tha p?r ?KD", Ajri Begu. T? nj?jten d?shmi,
Begu e ka dh?n? edhe n? polici dhe ka theksuar se ?nuk d?shiron t? komentoj?
t? kaluar?n e familjes s? Gojartit". K?to dy d?shmi, i kan? mjaftuar
policis? s? UNMIK-ut, q? t?i jap? Gojartit titullin e studentit t? shkoll?s
policore t? Kosov?s. N? komisionin p?r zgjedhjen e kandidat?ve, nd?rkaq nuk
jan? t? involvuar kosovar?t. Por, policia nd?rkomb?tare pohon se ?gjithmon?
i mir?pret d?shmit? nga qytetyr?t, t? cil?t din? di?ka p?r t? kaluar?n e
kandidat?ve p?r polic?". Nj? fqinj i Gojartit, i cili nuk pranon t?
identifikohet thot? se, ?para luft?s, Gojarti ngiste makinat e policis?
serbe dhe krekosej para moshatar?ve t? vet?. Shfryt?zonte funksionin e
babait dhe sillej me arroganc? me njer?zit".Gojarti mohon k?to. Po me maric?
t? policis? serbe, dy jav? pas fillimit t? bombardimeve, s? bashku me n?n?n
dhe v?llain ai ka ikur nga Kosova dhe ?sht? strehuar n? Beograd, at?her? kur
kampet e Maqedonis? dhe Shqip?ris?, strehonin afro nj? milion shqiptar?.
?Nj? shok i babait, serb i veshur n? uniform?, ka vozitur maric?n e policis?
ku ishte familja ime, nd?rsa un? e kam vozitur makin?n e shokurt tim, ku
ishin an?tar?t e familjes dhe kemi shkuar n? Beograd", tregon ai. N? Kosov?
ishin kthyer dy jav? para p?rfundimit t? luft?s. Koleg?t e tij t? klas?s D2
e din? se biri i kujt ?sht? Gojart Kelmendi, por nuk d?shirojn? t? thon?
n?se u pengon kjo apo jo. ?Ka mundur t? bie viktim? e prind?rve", thot?
kolegu i tij, Xhevat Krasniqi, ish-polic i Kosov?s dhe ish-ushtar i U?K-s?,
i cili pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s, s? bashku me dy bashk?luft?tar? kishte
shkuar n? banes?n e Jusuf Kelmendit p?r ta ?armatosur dhe p?r t? marr? nga
ai informata rreth Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, q? gjat? tre muajve t?
bombardimeve, ishte shnd?rruar n? kamp p?rq?ndrimi, n?p?r katrahurat e t?
cilit kishin kaluar rreth 5 mij? burra t? pafajsh?m shqiptar?. Por, Jusufi
nuk kishte qen? n? sht?pi. Ai kishte ikur n? Serbi, s? bashku me forcat
serbe t? sigurimit. ?E kemi marr? n? pyetje djalin e tij, Memlin, i cili
dy-tri vjet?t e fundit ka punuar n? Sh?rbimin Sekret serb. Ai ka kryer disa
p?rcjellje t? personaliteteve shqiptare, pohon Krasniqi. Gojarti nuk e
pranon se v?llai i tij, Memli, ka qen? pun?tor i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. ?E
di vet?m se ka punuar n? SPB, nuk e di ?ka ka punuar aty"! Nd?rsa kolegu
tjet?r nga klasa D2, Erhan Bu?inca, nuk d?shiron t? komentoj? t? kaluar?n e
familjes s? Gojartit. Madje, at? e nervozon fakti se gazeta merret me t?
kaluar?n e p?rgjegj?sve t? ardhsh?m t? siguris? dhe rendit n? Kosov?. ?Un?
kam punuar dhjet? muaj me t?. Ai ?sht? djal? i mir?", shprehet ai. Para se
t? pranohet n? shkoll?n policore, Gojarti ka punuar si p?rkthyes n?
stacionin policor nr.1, n? Prishtin?. T? kaluar?n e Jusuf Kelmendit e din?
t? gjith? ata q? e kan? njohur. Pik?risht, p?r shkak t? bashk?punimit me
regjimin serb, djali i madh i Jusufit, Mentori ishte distancuar nga i jati
dhe tash jeton n? Gjermani. Por, Gojarti nuk e ka nd?rmend t? disatancohet
nga babai. ?Nuk kam p?rse. Babi im nuk ka b?r? asgj? t? keqe. P?rkundrazi,
ai u ka ndihmuar shqiptar?ve. Po u ndihmon edhe tash t? burgosurve shqiptar?
n? burgje". Gojarti, t? m?rkur?n asesi nuk pranonte se me 21 vjet?t e tij ka
b?r? ndonj? vep?r t? keqe. ?Pyetni k? t? doni, n?se del dikush dhe thot? se
un? kam b?r? di?ka t? keqe, vet? do t? largohem q? k?tej", thoshte ai
gjithnj? i shqet?sur se mund t? p?rjashtohet nga shkolla, po qe se gazeta do
t? shkruaj? p?r t?. ?Mund ta humbas karrier?n?" Ekipi p?r hetime i policis?
s? UNMIK-ut dhe OSBE-s?, ka filluar rishqyrtimin e rastit dhe mbledhjen e
d?shmive t? reja p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit. A do t? realizoj? Gojart
Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t?u b?r? polic, do t? kuptohet
m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e Sh?rbimit Policor t?
Kosov?s.(?Koha Ditore")

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From berisha at telia.com  Tue May 16 17:09:38 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (Jashar B)
Date: Tue May 16 17:09:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
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Nese Gojart Kelmendi do ta realizoj ?ndrren e tij? a jo!?

N? baz? t? historikut t? familjes t? Gojartit t? p?rshkruar m? posht? edhe
m? i padituri qe deshiron t? ket? nj? Kosov? t? ardhshme t? ndertuar mbi
baza t? sh?ndosha dhe t? Pavarur do t? thoshte se Gojarti le t? shkoj n?
Serbi - atje ku baba i tij v?llau e t? tjer?t kan? sherbye me besnik?rin e
qenit.
Mir?po, nj? gj? dihet, Kosov?n nuk do t? kemi mund?si ta ndertojm? me
diferencime t? reja. Kosova sot? ka nevoj p?r nj? toleranc t? madhe. Nese
fillojm? t? diferencojm? bjen fjala sa do t? mbeten t? past?r, sa e sa t?
mjer? n? nj? menyr? apo tjet?r i kan? sherbye pushtetit t? at?hershem me
vet?dije apo pa vet?dije.
N? vitin 1992 familjen e agj?s tim e diferencoj i t?r fshati pse djali i
tij? kishte pre dru n? malin e kish?s s? De?anit (n? fakt mal i shqiptar?ve
por? i uzurpuar nga kisha). Mua at?here edhe pse isha n? mosh? t? re me
erdhi keq jo p?r agjen por? p?r ata t? gjor?t qe n? menyr?n m? naive u b?n
dor? e partis dhe e pushtetit serb.
Un? mendoj se me nje toleranc t? madhe kemi mund?si ta b?jm? Kosov?n, e at?
do ta b?jm?. Edhe Gojartit t? ri ndoshta i hyn? n? qef? nj? Kosov? e
pavarur, vet?m at?here Gojarti mund ta prek kok?n e ti mallkoj bab e v?lla.

Ju p?rshendes v?llaz?risht t? gjith?ve/ lus t? kemi k?mbim mendimesh n?
menyr? konstruktive
Jashar Berisha


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A do t? jet? Gojart Kelmendi polic i ardhsh?m i Kosov?s?



Biri i Jusuf Kelmendit, ish-drejtor i Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, (i cili ka
ikur n? Serbi bashk? me forcat serbe t? sigurimit), v?lla i pun?torit t?
Sh?rbimit Sekret serb, Gojarti nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars 1999 ka ndjekur
Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd, Dega e Kriminalistik?s. Dy dit? pas fillimit
t? bombardimeve ?sht? kthyer n? Kosov? dhe pas kat?r-pes? dit?sh, me maric?
t? policis? serbe, s? bashku me familjen ka ikur n? Beograd, n? koh?n kur
afro nj? milion shqiptar? ishin strehuar n? kampet e Shqip?ris? dhe t?
Maqedonis?. Me gjith? biografin? e dyshimt?, Gojarti sot vijon Shkoll?n
Policore n? Vushtrri.



Prishtin?, 15 maj (Kosovapress) ? Gojart Kelmendi gjith? jet?n ka ?nd?rruar
t? b?het polic. ?far? ngjyre dhe cilit pushtet do t?i p?rkas? uniforma e
tij, p?r t? nuk ka edhe aq r?nd?si. Nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars t? vitit
1999, kur filluan bombardimet e NATO-s mbi caqet ushtarake t? ?RFJ-s?", ai
ka vijuar Deg?n e Kriminalistik?s, n? Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd. N? koh?n
kur ishin nx?n?sit e k?saj shkolle i zbatonin me p?rpik?ri n? Kosov?
urdh?rat e regjimit, duke vrar? e torturuar shqiptar?. I veshur me uniform?,
pantallona ngjyr? kafe dhe k?mish? oker, n? xhepin e s? cil?s mbante t?
varur kart?n e studentit t? klas?s D2 t? gjenerat?s s? kat?rt t? Shkoll?s
Policore n? Vushtrri, t? m?rkur?n, n? lokalet e k?saj shkolle, Gojarti
p?rpiqej t? mbroj? ?t? drejt?n" e tij, p?r t? qen? pjes?tar i policis? s? re
t? Kosov?s. ?M? ?sht? dukur m? mir? ta l? at? shkoll? (n? Beograd) dhe t?
vij? k?tu", thoshte Gojarti, 21 vje?ar, pa pik? gjaku n? fytyr? dhe me duart
q? i dridheshin. Nd?n?se e mohon, Gojarti edhe dy-tri her? t? tjera, ka
konkurruar n? Sh?rbimin Policor t? Kosov?s (ShPK), por ?sht? refuzuar. Cila
ishte arsyeja? Babai i Gojartit, Jusuf Kelmendi, ishte drejtor i Burgut t?
Smrekovnic?s n? koh?n kur Kosova administrohej nga serb?t, nd?rsa t? gjith?
pun?tor?t shqiptar? ishin d?buar me dhun? nga vendet e pun?s. P?r m? tep?r,
Jusuf Kelmendi edhe sot i q?ndron besnik pun?dh?n?sve t? vet?. Ndodhet diku
n? Serbi dhe ?sht? an?tar i Bordit t? drejtor?ve t? burgjeve t? Serbis?.
Burgjeve prapa grilave t? t? cilave mbahen qindra shqiptar?. Nd?rkoh?,
v?llai i Gojartit, Memli shkon gjurm?ve t? t? atit. Madje, ai kishte nj?
detyr? edhe m? ?fisnike". Ishte pjes?tar i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. Gojarti
insiston t? vazhdoj? tradit?n familjare policore. Por, a ?sht? ky njeriu q?
i duhet policis? s? re dhe demokratike t? Kosov?s? Z?ved?skomisioneri p?r
planifikim dhe zhvillim i policis? s? UNMIKU-ut, amerikani John Collins,
pohon se kur ?sht? pranuar kandidatura e Gojartit, kan? pasur informacione
se ?far? ka punuar babai i tij. ?Ne kishim informacione se babai i tij ka
qen? drejtor burgu dhe se vazhdon t? punoj? n? serbi, por nuk kemi mundur t?
v?rtetojm? asgj? t? keqe p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit", thot? Collins dhe
shpjegon se ?disa fqinj dhe miq? t? tij, na kan? treguar p?r baban?, por
kan? th?n? se Gojarti i p?rmbush kriteret p?r polic". P?rve? intervistave
dhe testeve me kandidat?, n? hetimet e policis? s? UNMIK-ut dhe t?
mbik?qyr?sve t? OSBE-s?, p?rfshihen edhe dy apo tri d?shmi t? miqve dhe t?
njohurve t? kandidat?ve p?r polic? t? ardhsh?m t? Kosov?s. P?r Gojartin kan?
d?shmuar halla e tij dhe fqinji i tij, Ajri Begu, drejtor i Autoritetit p?r
Banka dhe Pagesa t? Kosov?s (Ajri Begu ?sht? bashk?shorti i doktoresh?s
Flora Brovina, e cila ?sht? rr?mbyer nga forcat serbe dhe tani mbahet n?
burgun e Pozharevcit - sh?n i KP).  ?Pyetni Ajri Begun, ai mund t?u flas p?r
mua, sepse ai ma ka n?nshkruar d?shmin?", insistonte Gojarti. ?Un? e njoh
Gojartin si nj? djal? t? ri, t? kulturuar, t? edukuar
 Nuk di p?r t?
kaluar?n e familjes s? tij", tha p?r ?KD", Ajri Begu. T? nj?jten d?shmi,
Begu e ka dh?n? edhe n? polici dhe ka theksuar se ?nuk d?shiron t? komentoj?
t? kaluar?n e familjes s? Gojartit". K?to dy d?shmi, i kan? mjaftuar
policis? s? UNMIK-ut, q? t?i jap? Gojartit titullin e studentit t? shkoll?s
policore t? Kosov?s. N? komisionin p?r zgjedhjen e kandidat?ve, nd?rkaq nuk
jan? t? involvuar kosovar?t. Por, policia nd?rkomb?tare pohon se ?gjithmon?
i mir?pret d?shmit? nga qytetyr?t, t? cil?t din? di?ka p?r t? kaluar?n e
kandidat?ve p?r polic?". Nj? fqinj i Gojartit, i cili nuk pranon t?
identifikohet thot? se, ?para luft?s, Gojarti ngiste makinat e policis?
serbe dhe krekosej para moshatar?ve t? vet?. Shfryt?zonte funksionin e
babait dhe sillej me arroganc? me njer?zit".Gojarti mohon k?to. Po me maric?
t? policis? serbe, dy jav? pas fillimit t? bombardimeve, s? bashku me n?n?n
dhe v?llain ai ka ikur nga Kosova dhe ?sht? strehuar n? Beograd, at?her? kur
kampet e Maqedonis? dhe Shqip?ris?, strehonin afro nj? milion shqiptar?.
?Nj? shok i babait, serb i veshur n? uniform?, ka vozitur maric?n e policis?
ku ishte familja ime, nd?rsa un? e kam vozitur makin?n e shokurt tim, ku
ishin an?tar?t e familjes dhe kemi shkuar n? Beograd", tregon ai. N? Kosov?
ishin kthyer dy jav? para p?rfundimit t? luft?s. Koleg?t e tij t? klas?s D2
e din? se biri i kujt ?sht? Gojart Kelmendi, por nuk d?shirojn? t? thon?
n?se u pengon kjo apo jo. ?Ka mundur t? bie viktim? e prind?rve", thot?
kolegu i tij, Xhevat Krasniqi, ish-polic i Kosov?s dhe ish-ushtar i U?K-s?,
i cili pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s, s? bashku me dy bashk?luft?tar? kishte
shkuar n? banes?n e Jusuf Kelmendit p?r ta ?armatosur dhe p?r t? marr? nga
ai informata rreth Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, q? gjat? tre muajve t?
bombardimeve, ishte shnd?rruar n? kamp p?rq?ndrimi, n?p?r katrahurat e t?
cilit kishin kaluar rreth 5 mij? burra t? pafajsh?m shqiptar?. Por, Jusufi
nuk kishte qen? n? sht?pi. Ai kishte ikur n? Serbi, s? bashku me forcat
serbe t? sigurimit. ?E kemi marr? n? pyetje djalin e tij, Memlin, i cili
dy-tri vjet?t e fundit ka punuar n? Sh?rbimin Sekret serb. Ai ka kryer disa
p?rcjellje t? personaliteteve shqiptare, pohon Krasniqi. Gojarti nuk e
pranon se v?llai i tij, Memli, ka qen? pun?tor i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. ?E
di vet?m se ka punuar n? SPB, nuk e di ?ka ka punuar aty"! Nd?rsa kolegu
tjet?r nga klasa D2, Erhan Bu?inca, nuk d?shiron t? komentoj? t? kaluar?n e
familjes s? Gojartit. Madje, at? e nervozon fakti se gazeta merret me t?
kaluar?n e p?rgjegj?sve t? ardhsh?m t? siguris? dhe rendit n? Kosov?. ?Un?
kam punuar dhjet? muaj me t?. Ai ?sht? djal? i mir?", shprehet ai. Para se
t? pranohet n? shkoll?n policore, Gojarti ka punuar si p?rkthyes n?
stacionin policor nr.1, n? Prishtin?. T? kaluar?n e Jusuf Kelmendit e din?
t? gjith? ata q? e kan? njohur. Pik?risht, p?r shkak t? bashk?punimit me
regjimin serb, djali i madh i Jusufit, Mentori ishte distancuar nga i jati
dhe tash jeton n? Gjermani. Por, Gojarti nuk e ka nd?rmend t? disatancohet
nga babai. ?Nuk kam p?rse. Babi im nuk ka b?r? asgj? t? keqe. P?rkundrazi,
ai u ka ndihmuar shqiptar?ve. Po u ndihmon edhe tash t? burgosurve shqiptar?
n? burgje". Gojarti, t? m?rkur?n asesi nuk pranonte se me 21 vjet?t e tij ka
b?r? ndonj? vep?r t? keqe. ?Pyetni k? t? doni, n?se del dikush dhe thot? se
un? kam b?r? di?ka t? keqe, vet? do t? largohem q? k?tej", thoshte ai
gjithnj? i shqet?sur se mund t? p?rjashtohet nga shkolla, po qe se gazeta do
t? shkruaj? p?r t?. ?Mund ta humbas karrier?n
" Ekipi p?r hetime i policis?
s? UNMIK-ut dhe OSBE-s?, ka filluar rishqyrtimin e rastit dhe mbledhjen e
d?shmive t? reja p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit. A do t? realizoj? Gojart
Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t?u b?r? polic, do t? kuptohet
m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e Sh?rbimit Policor t?
Kosov?s.(?Koha Ditore")

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From v_noci at hotmail.com  Tue May 16 21:22:40 2000
From: v_noci at hotmail.com (viktor noci)
Date: Tue May 16 21:22:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Polici qe kishte Baben spijun
Message-ID: <20000517012232.63950.qmail@hotmail.com>

Emrin e kam Viktor,jam nga Shqiperia.

E kam lexua me shume interes artikullin e shkruar ne agjensine e lajmeve 
Kosovapress.Te thom te drejten une nuk kam kene kurre ne Kosove,dhe ne nje 
vend qe nuk e viziton ose nuk jeton noshta nuk mund te japesh nje gjykim te 
drejte,por mekense kjo liste eshte nje liste qe mund te japim mendime dhe te 
diskutojme me aftesit qe kemi edhe une po e jap mendimin tim.
Edhe ne Shqiperi ne kohen e kumunizmit ka pasur raste te tilla(bile 
shume)baben e ka pase spijun,vllane punonjes te policise ose sigurimit,kane 
ba shume krime dhe poshtersi,por ka nolle qe djali i vogel pershemull te 
kete kene shume i mire dhe noshta shume besnik.Me sa kam kuptua une ne 
shkrimin e Kosovapressit nuk kishte ndonje person qe te thote ndonje fjale 
te keqe persa i perket djaloshit Gojart(perjashto ketu baben dhe vellane)Une 
jam i menimit qe keti djaloshi ti jepet mundesia,qe te japin kontributin e 
vet qe te ndertoj ate Kosove qe baba dhe vellaj i tije punuan aqe shume ta 
shkatrrojne,ti jepet mundesia qe te shohin shpirtin tolerant te popullit 
kosovare dhe te atyre qe ndoshta babai me vellane e tije u shkatrruan 
jeten,ti jepet mundesia te shohin dhe te kuptojne se c'fare shpirti katilash 
ishin dhe jane pjestaret e tije te familjes(ndoshta jo te gjithe).
Te ndergjegjesohet se duke punuar per Kosoven,punon per kombin e tije,u 
sherben idealeve me te larta,i sherben amanetit te mijrave atyre qe dhane 
jeten per lirine, qe Kosova po gezon sot dhe do ta gezoje per mot.
Dhe jam i mendimit se po te pranosh te tolerosh do te jesh gjithmone 
fitimtare.Vetem nje krahasim shikoni Shqiperine tone se ku ka shkua dhe ku 
po shkon,askush nuk pranon gabimin ose krimin,askush nuk kerkon falje apo 
fale,ka vetem akuza dhe trillime nga te gjitha palet,asnje nuk 
toleron,pranaj(mendimi im)dhe Shqiperia eshte ne kete gjendje.
Dote urosha me gjithe shpirte,qe Kosova te zgjedhe nje rruge ma demokratike 
dhe ma tolerante,dhe u uroj nga zemra gjithe popullit shqiptare gezuar 
LIRINE e shumepritur per shekuj.
KJOFTE I PERJETSHEM KUJTIMI I DESHMORVE QE DHANE JETEN PER LIRINE E 
KOSOVES.(Ju kisha lute te me falin ndonje person qe mendon ndryshe ky asht 
vec menimi i jem)Te fala krejt grupit.
Me rrespekt Viktor Noci





>From: "Jashar B" <berisha at telia.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:09:54 +0200
>
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>
>
>Nese Gojart Kelmendi do ta realizoj ?ndrren e tij? a jo!?
>
>N? baz? t? historikut t? familjes t? Gojartit t? p?rshkruar m? posht? edhe
>m? i padituri qe deshiron t? ket? nj? Kosov? t? ardhshme t? ndertuar mbi
>baza t? sh?ndosha dhe t? Pavarur do t? thoshte se Gojarti le t? shkoj n?
>Serbi - atje ku baba i tij v?llau e t? tjer?t kan? sherbye me besnik?rin e
>qenit.
>Mir?po, nj? gj? dihet, Kosov?n nuk do t? kemi mund?si ta ndertojm? me
>diferencime t? reja. Kosova sot? ka nevoj p?r nj? toleranc t? madhe. Nese
>fillojm? t? diferencojm? bjen fjala sa do t? mbeten t? past?r, sa e sa t?
>mjer? n? nj? menyr? apo tjet?r i kan? sherbye pushtetit t? at?hershem me
>vet?dije apo pa vet?dije.
>N? vitin 1992 familjen e agj?s tim e diferencoj i t?r fshati pse djali i
>tij? kishte pre dru n? malin e kish?s s? De?anit (n? fakt mal i shqiptar?ve
>por? i uzurpuar nga kisha). Mua at?here edhe pse isha n? mosh? t? re me
>erdhi keq jo p?r agjen por? p?r ata t? gjor?t qe n? menyr?n m? naive u b?n
>dor? e partis dhe e pushtetit serb.
>Un? mendoj se me nje toleranc t? madhe kemi mund?si ta b?jm? Kosov?n, e at?
>do ta b?jm?. Edhe Gojartit t? ri ndoshta i hyn? n? qef? nj? Kosov? e
>pavarur, vet?m at?here Gojarti mund ta prek kok?n e ti mallkoj bab e v?lla.
>
>Ju p?rshendes v?llaz?risht t? gjith?ve/ lus t? kemi k?mbim mendimesh n?
>menyr? konstruktive
>Jashar Berisha
>
>
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>A do t? jet? Gojart Kelmendi polic i ardhsh?m i Kosov?s?
>
>
>
>Biri i Jusuf Kelmendit, ish-drejtor i Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, (i cili ka
>ikur n? Serbi bashk? me forcat serbe t? sigurimit), v?lla i pun?torit t?
>Sh?rbimit Sekret serb, Gojarti nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars 1999 ka 
>ndjekur
>Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd, Dega e Kriminalistik?s. Dy dit? pas fillimit
>t? bombardimeve ?sht? kthyer n? Kosov? dhe pas kat?r-pes? dit?sh, me maric?
>t? policis? serbe, s? bashku me familjen ka ikur n? Beograd, n? koh?n kur
>afro nj? milion shqiptar? ishin strehuar n? kampet e Shqip?ris? dhe t?
>Maqedonis?. Me gjith? biografin? e dyshimt?, Gojarti sot vijon Shkoll?n
>Policore n? Vushtrri.
>
>
>
>Prishtin?, 15 maj (Kosovapress) ? Gojart Kelmendi gjith? jet?n ka ?nd?rruar
>t? b?het polic. ?far? ngjyre dhe cilit pushtet do t?i p?rkas? uniforma e
>tij, p?r t? nuk ka edhe aq r?nd?si. Nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars t? vitit
>1999, kur filluan bombardimet e NATO-s mbi caqet ushtarake t? ?RFJ-s?", ai
>ka vijuar Deg?n e Kriminalistik?s, n? Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd. N? 
>koh?n
>kur ishin nx?n?sit e k?saj shkolle i zbatonin me p?rpik?ri n? Kosov?
>urdh?rat e regjimit, duke vrar? e torturuar shqiptar?. I veshur me 
>uniform?,
>pantallona ngjyr? kafe dhe k?mish? oker, n? xhepin e s? cil?s mbante t?
>varur kart?n e studentit t? klas?s D2 t? gjenerat?s s? kat?rt t? Shkoll?s
>Policore n? Vushtrri, t? m?rkur?n, n? lokalet e k?saj shkolle, Gojarti
>p?rpiqej t? mbroj? ?t? drejt?n" e tij, p?r t? qen? pjes?tar i policis? s? 
>re
>t? Kosov?s. ?M? ?sht? dukur m? mir? ta l? at? shkoll? (n? Beograd) dhe t?
>vij? k?tu", thoshte Gojarti, 21 vje?ar, pa pik? gjaku n? fytyr? dhe me 
>duart
>q? i dridheshin. Nd?n?se e mohon, Gojarti edhe dy-tri her? t? tjera, ka
>konkurruar n? Sh?rbimin Policor t? Kosov?s (ShPK), por ?sht? refuzuar. Cila
>ishte arsyeja? Babai i Gojartit, Jusuf Kelmendi, ishte drejtor i Burgut t?
>Smrekovnic?s n? koh?n kur Kosova administrohej nga serb?t, nd?rsa t? gjith?
>pun?tor?t shqiptar? ishin d?buar me dhun? nga vendet e pun?s. P?r m? tep?r,
>Jusuf Kelmendi edhe sot i q?ndron besnik pun?dh?n?sve t? vet?. Ndodhet diku
>n? Serbi dhe ?sht? an?tar i Bordit t? drejtor?ve t? burgjeve t? Serbis?.
>Burgjeve prapa grilave t? t? cilave mbahen qindra shqiptar?. Nd?rkoh?,
>v?llai i Gojartit, Memli shkon gjurm?ve t? t? atit. Madje, ai kishte nj?
>detyr? edhe m? ?fisnike". Ishte pjes?tar i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. Gojarti
>insiston t? vazhdoj? tradit?n familjare policore. Por, a ?sht? ky njeriu q?
>i duhet policis? s? re dhe demokratike t? Kosov?s? Z?ved?skomisioneri p?r
>planifikim dhe zhvillim i policis? s? UNMIKU-ut, amerikani John Collins,
>pohon se kur ?sht? pranuar kandidatura e Gojartit, kan? pasur informacione
>se ?far? ka punuar babai i tij. ?Ne kishim informacione se babai i tij ka
>qen? drejtor burgu dhe se vazhdon t? punoj? n? serbi, por nuk kemi mundur 
>t?
>v?rtetojm? asgj? t? keqe p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit", thot? Collins dhe
>shpjegon se ?disa fqinj dhe miq? t? tij, na kan? treguar p?r baban?, por
>kan? th?n? se Gojarti i p?rmbush kriteret p?r polic". P?rve? intervistave
>dhe testeve me kandidat?, n? hetimet e policis? s? UNMIK-ut dhe t?
>mbik?qyr?sve t? OSBE-s?, p?rfshihen edhe dy apo tri d?shmi t? miqve dhe t?
>njohurve t? kandidat?ve p?r polic? t? ardhsh?m t? Kosov?s. P?r Gojartin 
>kan?
>d?shmuar halla e tij dhe fqinji i tij, Ajri Begu, drejtor i Autoritetit p?r
>Banka dhe Pagesa t? Kosov?s (Ajri Begu ?sht? bashk?shorti i doktoresh?s
>Flora Brovina, e cila ?sht? rr?mbyer nga forcat serbe dhe tani mbahet n?
>burgun e Pozharevcit - sh?n i KP).  ?Pyetni Ajri Begun, ai mund t?u flas 
>p?r
>mua, sepse ai ma ka n?nshkruar d?shmin?", insistonte Gojarti. ?Un? e njoh
>Gojartin si nj? djal? t? ri, t? kulturuar, t? edukuar? Nuk di p?r t?
>kaluar?n e familjes s? tij", tha p?r ?KD", Ajri Begu. T? nj?jten d?shmi,
>Begu e ka dh?n? edhe n? polici dhe ka theksuar se ?nuk d?shiron t? 
>komentoj?
>t? kaluar?n e familjes s? Gojartit". K?to dy d?shmi, i kan? mjaftuar
>policis? s? UNMIK-ut, q? t?i jap? Gojartit titullin e studentit t? shkoll?s
>policore t? Kosov?s. N? komisionin p?r zgjedhjen e kandidat?ve, nd?rkaq nuk
>jan? t? involvuar kosovar?t. Por, policia nd?rkomb?tare pohon se ?gjithmon?
>i mir?pret d?shmit? nga qytetyr?t, t? cil?t din? di?ka p?r t? kaluar?n e
>kandidat?ve p?r polic?". Nj? fqinj i Gojartit, i cili nuk pranon t?
>identifikohet thot? se, ?para luft?s, Gojarti ngiste makinat e policis?
>serbe dhe krekosej para moshatar?ve t? vet?. Shfryt?zonte funksionin e
>babait dhe sillej me arroganc? me njer?zit".Gojarti mohon k?to. Po me 
>maric?
>t? policis? serbe, dy jav? pas fillimit t? bombardimeve, s? bashku me n?n?n
>dhe v?llain ai ka ikur nga Kosova dhe ?sht? strehuar n? Beograd, at?her? 
>kur
>kampet e Maqedonis? dhe Shqip?ris?, strehonin afro nj? milion shqiptar?.
>?Nj? shok i babait, serb i veshur n? uniform?, ka vozitur maric?n e 
>policis?
>ku ishte familja ime, nd?rsa un? e kam vozitur makin?n e shokurt tim, ku
>ishin an?tar?t e familjes dhe kemi shkuar n? Beograd", tregon ai. N? Kosov?
>ishin kthyer dy jav? para p?rfundimit t? luft?s. Koleg?t e tij t? klas?s D2
>e din? se biri i kujt ?sht? Gojart Kelmendi, por nuk d?shirojn? t? thon?
>n?se u pengon kjo apo jo. ?Ka mundur t? bie viktim? e prind?rve", thot?
>kolegu i tij, Xhevat Krasniqi, ish-polic i Kosov?s dhe ish-ushtar i U?K-s?,
>i cili pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s, s? bashku me dy bashk?luft?tar? kishte
>shkuar n? banes?n e Jusuf Kelmendit p?r ta ?armatosur dhe p?r t? marr? nga
>ai informata rreth Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, q? gjat? tre muajve t?
>bombardimeve, ishte shnd?rruar n? kamp p?rq?ndrimi, n?p?r katrahurat e t?
>cilit kishin kaluar rreth 5 mij? burra t? pafajsh?m shqiptar?. Por, Jusufi
>nuk kishte qen? n? sht?pi. Ai kishte ikur n? Serbi, s? bashku me forcat
>serbe t? sigurimit. ?E kemi marr? n? pyetje djalin e tij, Memlin, i cili
>dy-tri vjet?t e fundit ka punuar n? Sh?rbimin Sekret serb. Ai ka kryer disa
>p?rcjellje t? personaliteteve shqiptare, pohon Krasniqi. Gojarti nuk e
>pranon se v?llai i tij, Memli, ka qen? pun?tor i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. ?E
>di vet?m se ka punuar n? SPB, nuk e di ?ka ka punuar aty"! Nd?rsa kolegu
>tjet?r nga klasa D2, Erhan Bu?inca, nuk d?shiron t? komentoj? t? kaluar?n e
>familjes s? Gojartit. Madje, at? e nervozon fakti se gazeta merret me t?
>kaluar?n e p?rgjegj?sve t? ardhsh?m t? siguris? dhe rendit n? Kosov?. ?Un?
>kam punuar dhjet? muaj me t?. Ai ?sht? djal? i mir?", shprehet ai. Para se
>t? pranohet n? shkoll?n policore, Gojarti ka punuar si p?rkthyes n?
>stacionin policor nr.1, n? Prishtin?. T? kaluar?n e Jusuf Kelmendit e din?
>t? gjith? ata q? e kan? njohur. Pik?risht, p?r shkak t? bashk?punimit me
>regjimin serb, djali i madh i Jusufit, Mentori ishte distancuar nga i jati
>dhe tash jeton n? Gjermani. Por, Gojarti nuk e ka nd?rmend t? disatancohet
>nga babai. ?Nuk kam p?rse. Babi im nuk ka b?r? asgj? t? keqe. P?rkundrazi,
>ai u ka ndihmuar shqiptar?ve. Po u ndihmon edhe tash t? burgosurve 
>shqiptar?
>n? burgje". Gojarti, t? m?rkur?n asesi nuk pranonte se me 21 vjet?t e tij 
>ka
>b?r? ndonj? vep?r t? keqe. ?Pyetni k? t? doni, n?se del dikush dhe thot? se
>un? kam b?r? di?ka t? keqe, vet? do t? largohem q? k?tej", thoshte ai
>gjithnj? i shqet?sur se mund t? p?rjashtohet nga shkolla, po qe se gazeta 
>do
>t? shkruaj? p?r t?. ?Mund ta humbas karrier?n?" Ekipi p?r hetime i policis?
>s? UNMIK-ut dhe OSBE-s?, ka filluar rishqyrtimin e rastit dhe mbledhjen e
>d?shmive t? reja p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit. A do t? realizoj? Gojart
>Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t?u b?r? polic, do t? kuptohet
>m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e Sh?rbimit Policor 
>t?
>Kosov?s.(?Koha Ditore")
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Wed May 17 04:05:50 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Wed May 17 04:05:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Polici qe kishte Baben spijun
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0ED2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Viktor,

Vetem nje permiresim te vogel, artikulli nuk eshte shkruar nga "Kosovapres"
por nga "Koha Ditore". Shih fjaline e fundit te artikullit.

Besniku


-> Emrin e kam Viktor,jam nga Shqiperia.
-> 
-> E kam lexua me shume interes artikullin e shkruar ne 
-> agjensine e lajmeve 
-> Kosovapress....


-> A do t? 
-> realizoj? Gojart
-> >Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t'u b?r? 
-> polic, do t? kuptohet
-> >m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e 
-> Sh?rbimit Policor 
-> >t?
-> >Kosov?s.("Koha Ditore")



From fsi at gmx.net  Wed May 17 04:20:31 2000
From: fsi at gmx.net (fsi at gmx.net)
Date: Wed May 17 04:20:31 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice]
Message-ID: <28128.958551623@www2.gmx.net>

mire mingjesi shoke dhe shoqe,

si e more vesh, nuk paska mundesi me u skijua ne brezovice. A jeni te
sigurt?
Une ndexhova se ushtaret e KFORit ne dimer jan skijua ne brezovice.

Vetem du me dit, se a funkcijonojn liftat, edhe a kan lan shum mina
shkijet aty. Nuk eshte shume e shnetshme per te skijojsh permi mina eksplosive.

Une kesh ne Januar qeti viti ne Uludag (Turki) me dy shoke te mi. Kujtum
se ne Turki nuk eshte pushimi shume shtrejt si ne baze te pushimit veror. Amo
ne Uludag ishin Elita e Turkijes (Ibu, edhe do tjere) edhe ish shum shtrejt
aty. 

Ne vere kam me ardh ne Kosove edhe do te informona ma konkret per rastin
ne Brezovic. Ndoshta ka mundesi mu taku me juaj te cillet jeni te interesuar
si une.

Neqofse e dini naj Website ose numer telefoni ku muj me mare informata ma
detajlisht, ju lutem tregoni.


Tung 

Fatmiri

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From burimh at hotmail.com  Wed May 17 06:20:08 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Wed May 17 06:20:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Polici qe kishte Baben spijun
Message-ID: <20000517102001.8022.qmail@hotmail.com>

Krej n'rregull, po ktu ni dallaver i vogel po livritke...
Kta me hesap ishin tre djem, i vogli ish distancue prej babes t'vet, e ky qi 
po dojke me u bo polic as qi e kish nermen...
Natyrisht qi osht mire me fale atehere kur duhet me fale, po para se 
m't'fale dikush duhesh vet me lype falje

Ejvalla nihere


>From: "viktor noci" <v_noci at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>CC: V_noci at hotmail.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Polici qe kishte Baben spijun
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 21:22:32 EDT
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Emrin e kam Viktor,jam nga Shqiperia.
>
>E kam lexua me shume interes artikullin e shkruar ne agjensine e lajmeve 
>Kosovapress.Te thom te drejten une nuk kam kene kurre ne Kosove,dhe ne nje 
>vend qe nuk e viziton ose nuk jeton noshta nuk mund te japesh nje gjykim te 
>drejte,por mekense kjo liste eshte nje liste qe mund te japim mendime dhe 
>te diskutojme me aftesit qe kemi edhe une po e jap mendimin tim.
>Edhe ne Shqiperi ne kohen e kumunizmit ka pasur raste te tilla(bile 
>shume)baben e ka pase spijun,vllane punonjes te policise ose sigurimit,kane 
>ba shume krime dhe poshtersi,por ka nolle qe djali i vogel pershemull te 
>kete kene shume i mire dhe noshta shume besnik.Me sa kam kuptua une ne 
>shkrimin e Kosovapressit nuk kishte ndonje person qe te thote ndonje fjale 
>te keqe persa i perket djaloshit Gojart(perjashto ketu baben dhe 
>vellane)Une jam i menimit qe keti djaloshi ti jepet mundesia,qe te japin 
>kontributin e vet qe te ndertoj ate Kosove qe baba dhe vellaj i tije punuan 
>aqe shume ta shkatrrojne,ti jepet mundesia qe te shohin shpirtin tolerant 
>te popullit kosovare dhe te atyre qe ndoshta babai me vellane e tije u 
>shkatrruan jeten,ti jepet mundesia te shohin dhe te kuptojne se c'fare 
>shpirti katilash ishin dhe jane pjestaret e tije te familjes(ndoshta jo te 
>gjithe).
>Te ndergjegjesohet se duke punuar per Kosoven,punon per kombin e tije,u 
>sherben idealeve me te larta,i sherben amanetit te mijrave atyre qe dhane 
>jeten per lirine, qe Kosova po gezon sot dhe do ta gezoje per mot.
>Dhe jam i mendimit se po te pranosh te tolerosh do te jesh gjithmone 
>fitimtare.Vetem nje krahasim shikoni Shqiperine tone se ku ka shkua dhe ku 
>po shkon,askush nuk pranon gabimin ose krimin,askush nuk kerkon falje apo 
>fale,ka vetem akuza dhe trillime nga te gjitha palet,asnje nuk 
>toleron,pranaj(mendimi im)dhe Shqiperia eshte ne kete gjendje.
>Dote urosha me gjithe shpirte,qe Kosova te zgjedhe nje rruge ma demokratike 
>dhe ma tolerante,dhe u uroj nga zemra gjithe popullit shqiptare gezuar 
>LIRINE e shumepritur per shekuj.
>KJOFTE I PERJETSHEM KUJTIMI I DESHMORVE QE DHANE JETEN PER LIRINE E 
>KOSOVES.(Ju kisha lute te me falin ndonje person qe mendon ndryshe ky asht 
>vec menimi i jem)Te fala krejt grupit.
>Me rrespekt Viktor Noci
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Jashar B" <berisha at telia.com>
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
>>Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:09:54 +0200
>>
>>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>>
>>
>>
>>Nese Gojart Kelmendi do ta realizoj ?ndrren e tij? a jo!?
>>
>>N? baz? t? historikut t? familjes t? Gojartit t? p?rshkruar m? posht? edhe
>>m? i padituri qe deshiron t? ket? nj? Kosov? t? ardhshme t? ndertuar mbi
>>baza t? sh?ndosha dhe t? Pavarur do t? thoshte se Gojarti le t? shkoj n?
>>Serbi - atje ku baba i tij v?llau e t? tjer?t kan? sherbye me besnik?rin e
>>qenit.
>>Mir?po, nj? gj? dihet, Kosov?n nuk do t? kemi mund?si ta ndertojm? me
>>diferencime t? reja. Kosova sot? ka nevoj p?r nj? toleranc t? madhe. Nese
>>fillojm? t? diferencojm? bjen fjala sa do t? mbeten t? past?r, sa e sa t?
>>mjer? n? nj? menyr? apo tjet?r i kan? sherbye pushtetit t? at?hershem me
>>vet?dije apo pa vet?dije.
>>N? vitin 1992 familjen e agj?s tim e diferencoj i t?r fshati pse djali i
>>tij? kishte pre dru n? malin e kish?s s? De?anit (n? fakt mal i 
>>shqiptar?ve
>>por? i uzurpuar nga kisha). Mua at?here edhe pse isha n? mosh? t? re me
>>erdhi keq jo p?r agjen por? p?r ata t? gjor?t qe n? menyr?n m? naive u b?n
>>dor? e partis dhe e pushtetit serb.
>>Un? mendoj se me nje toleranc t? madhe kemi mund?si ta b?jm? Kosov?n, e 
>>at?
>>do ta b?jm?. Edhe Gojartit t? ri ndoshta i hyn? n? qef? nj? Kosov? e
>>pavarur, vet?m at?here Gojarti mund ta prek kok?n e ti mallkoj bab e 
>>v?lla.
>>
>>Ju p?rshendes v?llaz?risht t? gjith?ve/ lus t? kemi k?mbim mendimesh n?
>>menyr? konstruktive
>>Jashar Berisha
>>
>>
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>>A do t? jet? Gojart Kelmendi polic i ardhsh?m i Kosov?s?
>>
>>
>>
>>Biri i Jusuf Kelmendit, ish-drejtor i Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, (i cili ka
>>ikur n? Serbi bashk? me forcat serbe t? sigurimit), v?lla i pun?torit t?
>>Sh?rbimit Sekret serb, Gojarti nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars 1999 ka 
>>ndjekur
>>Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd, Dega e Kriminalistik?s. Dy dit? pas fillimit
>>t? bombardimeve ?sht? kthyer n? Kosov? dhe pas kat?r-pes? dit?sh, me 
>>maric?
>>t? policis? serbe, s? bashku me familjen ka ikur n? Beograd, n? koh?n kur
>>afro nj? milion shqiptar? ishin strehuar n? kampet e Shqip?ris? dhe t?
>>Maqedonis?. Me gjith? biografin? e dyshimt?, Gojarti sot vijon Shkoll?n
>>Policore n? Vushtrri.
>>
>>
>>
>>Prishtin?, 15 maj (Kosovapress) ? Gojart Kelmendi gjith? jet?n ka 
>>?nd?rruar
>>t? b?het polic. ?far? ngjyre dhe cilit pushtet do t?i p?rkas? uniforma e
>>tij, p?r t? nuk ka edhe aq r?nd?si. Nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars t? vitit
>>1999, kur filluan bombardimet e NATO-s mbi caqet ushtarake t? ?RFJ-s?", ai
>>ka vijuar Deg?n e Kriminalistik?s, n? Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd. N? 
>>koh?n
>>kur ishin nx?n?sit e k?saj shkolle i zbatonin me p?rpik?ri n? Kosov?
>>urdh?rat e regjimit, duke vrar? e torturuar shqiptar?. I veshur me 
>>uniform?,
>>pantallona ngjyr? kafe dhe k?mish? oker, n? xhepin e s? cil?s mbante t?
>>varur kart?n e studentit t? klas?s D2 t? gjenerat?s s? kat?rt t? Shkoll?s
>>Policore n? Vushtrri, t? m?rkur?n, n? lokalet e k?saj shkolle, Gojarti
>>p?rpiqej t? mbroj? ?t? drejt?n" e tij, p?r t? qen? pjes?tar i policis? s? 
>>re
>>t? Kosov?s. ?M? ?sht? dukur m? mir? ta l? at? shkoll? (n? Beograd) dhe t?
>>vij? k?tu", thoshte Gojarti, 21 vje?ar, pa pik? gjaku n? fytyr? dhe me 
>>duart
>>q? i dridheshin. Nd?n?se e mohon, Gojarti edhe dy-tri her? t? tjera, ka
>>konkurruar n? Sh?rbimin Policor t? Kosov?s (ShPK), por ?sht? refuzuar. 
>>Cila
>>ishte arsyeja? Babai i Gojartit, Jusuf Kelmendi, ishte drejtor i Burgut t?
>>Smrekovnic?s n? koh?n kur Kosova administrohej nga serb?t, nd?rsa t? 
>>gjith?
>>pun?tor?t shqiptar? ishin d?buar me dhun? nga vendet e pun?s. P?r m? 
>>tep?r,
>>Jusuf Kelmendi edhe sot i q?ndron besnik pun?dh?n?sve t? vet?. Ndodhet 
>>diku
>>n? Serbi dhe ?sht? an?tar i Bordit t? drejtor?ve t? burgjeve t? Serbis?.
>>Burgjeve prapa grilave t? t? cilave mbahen qindra shqiptar?. Nd?rkoh?,
>>v?llai i Gojartit, Memli shkon gjurm?ve t? t? atit. Madje, ai kishte nj?
>>detyr? edhe m? ?fisnike". Ishte pjes?tar i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. Gojarti
>>insiston t? vazhdoj? tradit?n familjare policore. Por, a ?sht? ky njeriu 
>>q?
>>i duhet policis? s? re dhe demokratike t? Kosov?s? Z?ved?skomisioneri p?r
>>planifikim dhe zhvillim i policis? s? UNMIKU-ut, amerikani John Collins,
>>pohon se kur ?sht? pranuar kandidatura e Gojartit, kan? pasur informacione
>>se ?far? ka punuar babai i tij. ?Ne kishim informacione se babai i tij ka
>>qen? drejtor burgu dhe se vazhdon t? punoj? n? serbi, por nuk kemi mundur 
>>t?
>>v?rtetojm? asgj? t? keqe p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit", thot? Collins dhe
>>shpjegon se ?disa fqinj dhe miq? t? tij, na kan? treguar p?r baban?, por
>>kan? th?n? se Gojarti i p?rmbush kriteret p?r polic". P?rve? intervistave
>>dhe testeve me kandidat?, n? hetimet e policis? s? UNMIK-ut dhe t?
>>mbik?qyr?sve t? OSBE-s?, p?rfshihen edhe dy apo tri d?shmi t? miqve dhe t?
>>njohurve t? kandidat?ve p?r polic? t? ardhsh?m t? Kosov?s. P?r Gojartin 
>>kan?
>>d?shmuar halla e tij dhe fqinji i tij, Ajri Begu, drejtor i Autoritetit 
>>p?r
>>Banka dhe Pagesa t? Kosov?s (Ajri Begu ?sht? bashk?shorti i doktoresh?s
>>Flora Brovina, e cila ?sht? rr?mbyer nga forcat serbe dhe tani mbahet n?
>>burgun e Pozharevcit - sh?n i KP).  ?Pyetni Ajri Begun, ai mund t?u flas 
>>p?r
>>mua, sepse ai ma ka n?nshkruar d?shmin?", insistonte Gojarti. ?Un? e njoh
>>Gojartin si nj? djal? t? ri, t? kulturuar, t? edukuar? Nuk di p?r t?
>>kaluar?n e familjes s? tij", tha p?r ?KD", Ajri Begu. T? nj?jten d?shmi,
>>Begu e ka dh?n? edhe n? polici dhe ka theksuar se ?nuk d?shiron t? 
>>komentoj?
>>t? kaluar?n e familjes s? Gojartit". K?to dy d?shmi, i kan? mjaftuar
>>policis? s? UNMIK-ut, q? t?i jap? Gojartit titullin e studentit t? 
>>shkoll?s
>>policore t? Kosov?s. N? komisionin p?r zgjedhjen e kandidat?ve, nd?rkaq 
>>nuk
>>jan? t? involvuar kosovar?t. Por, policia nd?rkomb?tare pohon se 
>>?gjithmon?
>>i mir?pret d?shmit? nga qytetyr?t, t? cil?t din? di?ka p?r t? kaluar?n e
>>kandidat?ve p?r polic?". Nj? fqinj i Gojartit, i cili nuk pranon t?
>>identifikohet thot? se, ?para luft?s, Gojarti ngiste makinat e policis?
>>serbe dhe krekosej para moshatar?ve t? vet?. Shfryt?zonte funksionin e
>>babait dhe sillej me arroganc? me njer?zit".Gojarti mohon k?to. Po me 
>>maric?
>>t? policis? serbe, dy jav? pas fillimit t? bombardimeve, s? bashku me 
>>n?n?n
>>dhe v?llain ai ka ikur nga Kosova dhe ?sht? strehuar n? Beograd, at?her? 
>>kur
>>kampet e Maqedonis? dhe Shqip?ris?, strehonin afro nj? milion shqiptar?.
>>?Nj? shok i babait, serb i veshur n? uniform?, ka vozitur maric?n e 
>>policis?
>>ku ishte familja ime, nd?rsa un? e kam vozitur makin?n e shokurt tim, ku
>>ishin an?tar?t e familjes dhe kemi shkuar n? Beograd", tregon ai. N? 
>>Kosov?
>>ishin kthyer dy jav? para p?rfundimit t? luft?s. Koleg?t e tij t? klas?s 
>>D2
>>e din? se biri i kujt ?sht? Gojart Kelmendi, por nuk d?shirojn? t? thon?
>>n?se u pengon kjo apo jo. ?Ka mundur t? bie viktim? e prind?rve", thot?
>>kolegu i tij, Xhevat Krasniqi, ish-polic i Kosov?s dhe ish-ushtar i 
>>U?K-s?,
>>i cili pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s, s? bashku me dy bashk?luft?tar? kishte
>>shkuar n? banes?n e Jusuf Kelmendit p?r ta ?armatosur dhe p?r t? marr? nga
>>ai informata rreth Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, q? gjat? tre muajve t?
>>bombardimeve, ishte shnd?rruar n? kamp p?rq?ndrimi, n?p?r katrahurat e t?
>>cilit kishin kaluar rreth 5 mij? burra t? pafajsh?m shqiptar?. Por, Jusufi
>>nuk kishte qen? n? sht?pi. Ai kishte ikur n? Serbi, s? bashku me forcat
>>serbe t? sigurimit. ?E kemi marr? n? pyetje djalin e tij, Memlin, i cili
>>dy-tri vjet?t e fundit ka punuar n? Sh?rbimin Sekret serb. Ai ka kryer 
>>disa
>>p?rcjellje t? personaliteteve shqiptare, pohon Krasniqi. Gojarti nuk e
>>pranon se v?llai i tij, Memli, ka qen? pun?tor i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. ?E
>>di vet?m se ka punuar n? SPB, nuk e di ?ka ka punuar aty"! Nd?rsa kolegu
>>tjet?r nga klasa D2, Erhan Bu?inca, nuk d?shiron t? komentoj? t? kaluar?n 
>>e
>>familjes s? Gojartit. Madje, at? e nervozon fakti se gazeta merret me t?
>>kaluar?n e p?rgjegj?sve t? ardhsh?m t? siguris? dhe rendit n? Kosov?. ?Un?
>>kam punuar dhjet? muaj me t?. Ai ?sht? djal? i mir?", shprehet ai. Para se
>>t? pranohet n? shkoll?n policore, Gojarti ka punuar si p?rkthyes n?
>>stacionin policor nr.1, n? Prishtin?. T? kaluar?n e Jusuf Kelmendit e din?
>>t? gjith? ata q? e kan? njohur. Pik?risht, p?r shkak t? bashk?punimit me
>>regjimin serb, djali i madh i Jusufit, Mentori ishte distancuar nga i jati
>>dhe tash jeton n? Gjermani. Por, Gojarti nuk e ka nd?rmend t? disatancohet
>>nga babai. ?Nuk kam p?rse. Babi im nuk ka b?r? asgj? t? keqe. P?rkundrazi,
>>ai u ka ndihmuar shqiptar?ve. Po u ndihmon edhe tash t? burgosurve 
>>shqiptar?
>>n? burgje". Gojarti, t? m?rkur?n asesi nuk pranonte se me 21 vjet?t e tij 
>>ka
>>b?r? ndonj? vep?r t? keqe. ?Pyetni k? t? doni, n?se del dikush dhe thot? 
>>se
>>un? kam b?r? di?ka t? keqe, vet? do t? largohem q? k?tej", thoshte ai
>>gjithnj? i shqet?sur se mund t? p?rjashtohet nga shkolla, po qe se gazeta 
>>do
>>t? shkruaj? p?r t?. ?Mund ta humbas karrier?n?" Ekipi p?r hetime i 
>>policis?
>>s? UNMIK-ut dhe OSBE-s?, ka filluar rishqyrtimin e rastit dhe mbledhjen e
>>d?shmive t? reja p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit. A do t? realizoj? Gojart
>>Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t?u b?r? polic, do t? 
>>kuptohet
>>m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e Sh?rbimit Policor 
>>t?
>>Kosov?s.(?Koha Ditore")
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From kosova at jps.net  Wed May 17 06:44:22 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Wed May 17 06:44:22 2000
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N? per?ndim fillon identifikimi i aktor?ve politik t? Kosov?s

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 14 Maj)
P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

	Tash q? kan? filluar p?rgatitjet p?r zgjedhjet e para n? Kosov?, shtypi
per?ndimor ka filluar identifikimin e aktor?ve politik dhe partive t? trye.
Megjitjat? ecili politikan kosovar vazhdon t? mbetet enigmatik n? m?nyr?n e
vet p?r analist?t amerikan? dhe ata nd?rkom?btar?. P?r Hashim Thacin
prognozat nuk jan? shum? shpres?dh?n?se; l?vizjet e Ramush Hajradinaj po
shikohen me kujdes; kurse Ibrahim Rugova pa konkurenc? q?ndron n? "shtyll?n
mistike", por atij mund t'ja prish? cerdh?n e rehatis? Naim Maloku.
	Me shk?putjen e Haradinajt nga krahu i Partis? p?r Prosperitet Demokratik
t? Kosov?s n? krye me Tha?in p?r analist?t ka krijuar v?shtir?si p?r dh?nj?
parashikimesh t? sakta se ?far? do t? ndodh? n? rethin p?rfundimtar t?
fushat?s zgjedhore n? tetor. Disa mendojn? se shk?putja e Haradinajt e ka
d?mtuar Thacin dhe partin? e tij deri n? moskthim p?r ish komandantin e ri
t? UCK-s?, i cili n? nj? m?nyr? faj?sohet pse nuk ka qen? n? gjendje q? ta
artikuloi planin p?r ardhm?rin? e Kosov?s. Dikur nj? z?dh?n?s i vendosur dhe
luft?tar? p?r pavar?sin? e Kosov?s, Thaci tash po ndjek vijen e
rekomandimeve t? kryeadministratorit t? OKB-s? dhe Uashingtonit duke th?n?
se s? pari do t? duhej t? nd?rtoheshin insititucionet shtet?rore t? Kosov?s
para se t? insistohet n? pavar?sin? e saj. Kjo vij? pragmatike e Thacit mund
t'i siguroj? atij miq n? Uashington, Lond?r dhe Nju Jork, por ekziston
rreziku i d?mtimit t? baz?s s? tij n? Kosov? tek populli i cili n? fund do
ta ket? fjal?n p?rfundimtare.
	Nj? anket? e Gallupit e realizuar nga Organizata p?r Siguri dhe Bashk?punim
m? Evrop? (OSCE) tregon se partia e Tha?it do t? merrete vet?m 20 p?rqind t?
vot?s, po q? se zgjedhjet do t? mbaheshin sot. "?sht? tep?r heret p?r ta
konsideruar (Thacin) si forc? t? hargjuar, por tani p?r tani ai duket se po
stagnon," citohet n? revist?n Newsweek t? ket? th?n? nj? zyrtar per?ndimor.
Sipas nj? analize n? k?t? revist?, problemet kryesore t? Thacit lidhen m?
krimet, plackitjet, atentatet dhe ndejkjet e serb?ve nga Kosova n? koh?n kur
ai p?rgjigjej p?r UCK-n?. Edhe pse Tha?i personalisht nuk ?sht? lidhur m?
asnj? nga krimet p?r t? cilat ?sht? akuzuar UCK, thuhet n? analiz?n e
revist?s Newsweek, kjo megjithat? nuk do ta ndihmon t? arrdhm?n e tij
politike. Edhe epse Thaci ende g?zon respekt n? mesin e luft?tar?ve t?
UCK-s?, p?r te thuhet se nuk ka patur mund?si q? ta krojoi nj? baz? t? fort?
n? popullat?.
	"Por Thaci, nj? fol?s indiferent, ka d?shtuar n? ndezjen e pasioneve n?
mesin e popullat?s kosovare," shkruan Newsweek. Bashk?lut?tari i Thacit
dikur, tash rival politik, Ramush Haradinaj, q? Newsweek e quan nj?
udh?heq?s "karizmatik" -- paraqitet si nj? politikan n? ngritje. Ajo q? i
mungon Thacit nuk i mungon edhe Haradinajt - pra mb?shtetja e mas?s. Edhe
pse Haradinajt i mungojn? miqt n? per?ndim momentalisht, kjo mund t?
ndryshoi me koh?n po q? se emri i tij nuk lidhet me krime kur komandonte n?
terren dhe po q? se p?r te vazhdon t? flitet n? superlativ nga disa
organizata shqiptaro-amerikane dhe po q? se njer?zit q? flasin n? em?r t?
tij jan? elokuent.
	N? nj? d?shmi muajin e kaluar p?rfaq?suesja e Lig?s Qytetare
Shqiptaro-Amerikane Shirley Cloyes e p?rshkroi k?shtu ish luft?tarin e
UCK-s?: "Emri i Ramush Haradinajt i cili ?sht? i vizatuar n? muret mbetura
t? betonit t? sulmuara nga ushtria serbe n?p?r t?r? vendin, mbetet si em?r
q? me nder? mbrojti popullin shqiptar t? Kosov?s. Pra ?sht? ai, dhe jo
Hashim Thaci, q? ?sht? n? zemr?n dhe shpirtin e Ushtris? ?lirimtare t?
Kosov?s p?r shqiptar?t e Kosov?."
	Disa analist? mednojn? se shk?putja e Haradinajt nga rrethi i Thacit n?
fakt mund ta ndihmoj? k?t? t? fundit, sepse Haradinaj n? per?ndim vazhdon t?
shihet si "ektremistit". Prandaj ikja e "ekstremnist?ve" nga partia e Th&it
e b?n? at? m? t? pranuesh?m p?r nd?rkomb?tar?t, t? cil?t, p?rderisa jan? n?
Kosov? do ta ken? fjal?n p?rfundimtare.
	Mir?po edhe Tha?i edhe Haradinaj jan? t? rrezikur politikisht nga "ujku i
vjet?r" Ibrahim Rugova i cili me politik?n e tij t? "pritjes" dhe p?rkund?r
rrethanave kontraverze q? e rrethojn? at? nga takimi me Millosehviqin,
kryetari i LDK-s?, sipas Gallupit do t? merrte 50 p?rqind t? vot?s. S? paku
LDK-ja si parti do t? marrte nj? p?rqindje kaq t? lart, kurse sa i p?rket
udh?heq?sit t? saj at? mund ta rrezikoj nj? kund?rshtar tjet?r me emrin Naim
Maloku. Si ish an?tar i LDK-s? i cili u shk?put nga Rugova p?r t? komandaur
forcat e UCK-s?, ai shikohet si njeriu q? mund ta l?kund baz?n e LDK-s?
rreth Rugov?s dhe ta kthej partin? p?r vete rreth Partis? Liberale t?
Q?ndres. Sa p?r mb?shtetjen e Rugov?s n? Uashington, "miqt" e tij t?
dikursh?m edhe pse jan? t? kujdessh?m n? deklaratat e tyre publike,
privatisht pothuaj se e kan? humbur entuziazmin p?r ta mb?shtetur edhe m?
tutje udh?heq?sin paq?sor. Sidomos tash kur ai e ka forcuar q?ndrimn e tij
p?r pavar?sin? e Kosov?s.
	Rugova n? t? kaluar?n gjithmon? ?sht? par? si nj? udh?heq?s q? mund t?
llogaritej n? te p?r kompromis. Mir?po tani me dob?simin e imazhit t? tij,
Rugov?s si veg?l n? lufte p?r mbijetes?n politike i ka mbetur startegjia "ja
pavar?si, ja hiq." Mir?po kund?rshtar?t e tij mund ta deskriditojn? Rugov?n
n? k?t? pik? duke e akuzuar at? si njeri q? parull?n "pavar?si" e ka
p?rdorur vet?m si retorik? politike por kur ka ardhur momenti p?r t? luftuar
p?r te, ai nuk ka qen? n? gjendje t? jep sakrific?n maksimale. Edhe pse
mendohet se takimi i Rugov?s m? Millosheviqin ?sht? tjekaluar, n? val?n e
fushat?s dhe propagand?s nga rival?t e tij, ajo mund t'i hakmirret n? fund.






From p9 at mail.com  Wed May 17 08:27:49 2000
From: p9 at mail.com (___P_9___ bomba)
Date: Wed May 17 08:27:49 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice]
Message-ID: <384191114.958566467859.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com>

o djalo a ke ndi per anen veriore te mitrovices qe nuk pe lshojne shkijet eh
qashtu eshte edhe puna e brezovices . brezovica eshte momentalisht e okupuar
nga shkijet

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Sent: May 17, 2000 8:20:23 AM GMT
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mire mingjesi shoke dhe shoqe,

si e more vesh, nuk paska mundesi me u skijua ne brezovice. A jeni te
sigurt?
Une ndexhova se ushtaret e KFORit ne dimer jan skijua ne brezovice.

Vetem du me dit, se a funkcijonojn liftat, edhe a kan lan shum mina
shkijet aty. Nuk eshte shume e shnetshme per te skijojsh permi mina
eksplosive.

Une kesh ne Januar qeti viti ne Uludag (Turki) me dy shoke te mi. Kujtum
se ne Turki nuk eshte pushimi shume shtrejt si ne baze te pushimit veror.
Amo
ne Uludag ishin Elita e Turkijes (Ibu, edhe do tjere) edhe ish shum shtrejt
aty.

Ne vere kam me ardh ne Kosove edhe do te informona ma konkret per rastin
ne Brezovic. Ndoshta ka mundesi mu taku me juaj te cillet jeni te interesuar
si une.

Neqofse e dini naj Website ose numer telefoni ku muj me mare informata ma
detajlisht, ju lutem tregoni.


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From berisha at telia.com  Wed May 17 12:45:23 2000
From: berisha at telia.com (Jashar B)
Date: Wed May 17 12:45:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Viktorit
In-Reply-To: <20000517012232.63950.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIBDDLJAMLJIGPDPEMEKACAAA.berisha@telia.com>

Viktor!
Mos? e thuaj? at? fjal Viktor, Kosova ?sht? sa e imja aq edhe e juja.
Shqip?ri ?sht? e t?ra.
Pajtohem plot?sisht me mendimin se t? pranosh t? tolerosh do t? dal?sh
fitimtar.
Kjo ndjenj? duhet t? na p?rfshij? t? gjith?ve si n? Kosov? ashtu edhe n?
Shqip?ri.

Mir? se vjen!

Jashar Berisha



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Emrin e kam Viktor,jam nga Shqiperia.

E kam lexua me shume interes artikullin e shkruar ne agjensine e lajmeve
Kosovapress.Te thom te drejten une nuk kam kene kurre ne Kosove,dhe ne nje
vend qe nuk e viziton ose nuk jeton noshta nuk mund te japesh nje gjykim te
drejte,por mekense kjo liste eshte nje liste qe mund te japim mendime dhe te
diskutojme me aftesit qe kemi edhe une po e jap mendimin tim.
Edhe ne Shqiperi ne kohen e kumunizmit ka pasur raste te tilla(bile
shume)baben e ka pase spijun,vllane punonjes te policise ose sigurimit,kane
ba shume krime dhe poshtersi,por ka nolle qe djali i vogel pershemull te
kete kene shume i mire dhe noshta shume besnik.Me sa kam kuptua une ne
shkrimin e Kosovapressit nuk kishte ndonje person qe te thote ndonje fjale
te keqe persa i perket djaloshit Gojart(perjashto ketu baben dhe vellane)Une
jam i menimit qe keti djaloshi ti jepet mundesia,qe te japin kontributin e
vet qe te ndertoj ate Kosove qe baba dhe vellaj i tije punuan aqe shume ta
shkatrrojne,ti jepet mundesia qe te shohin shpirtin tolerant te popullit
kosovare dhe te atyre qe ndoshta babai me vellane e tije u shkatrruan
jeten,ti jepet mundesia te shohin dhe te kuptojne se c'fare shpirti katilash
ishin dhe jane pjestaret e tije te familjes(ndoshta jo te gjithe).
Te ndergjegjesohet se duke punuar per Kosoven,punon per kombin e tije,u
sherben idealeve me te larta,i sherben amanetit te mijrave atyre qe dhane
jeten per lirine, qe Kosova po gezon sot dhe do ta gezoje per mot.
Dhe jam i mendimit se po te pranosh te tolerosh do te jesh gjithmone
fitimtare.Vetem nje krahasim shikoni Shqiperine tone se ku ka shkua dhe ku
po shkon,askush nuk pranon gabimin ose krimin,askush nuk kerkon falje apo
fale,ka vetem akuza dhe trillime nga te gjitha palet,asnje nuk
toleron,pranaj(mendimi im)dhe Shqiperia eshte ne kete gjendje.
Dote urosha me gjithe shpirte,qe Kosova te zgjedhe nje rruge ma demokratike
dhe ma tolerante,dhe u uroj nga zemra gjithe popullit shqiptare gezuar
LIRINE e shumepritur per shekuj.
KJOFTE I PERJETSHEM KUJTIMI I DESHMORVE QE DHANE JETEN PER LIRINE E
KOSOVES.(Ju kisha lute te me falin ndonje person qe mendon ndryshe ky asht
vec menimi i jem)Te fala krejt grupit.
Me rrespekt Viktor Noci





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>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:09:54 +0200
>
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>
>
>
>Nese Gojart Kelmendi do ta realizoj ?ndrren e tij? a jo!?
>
>N? baz? t? historikut t? familjes t? Gojartit t? p?rshkruar m? posht? edhe
>m? i padituri qe deshiron t? ket? nj? Kosov? t? ardhshme t? ndertuar mbi
>baza t? sh?ndosha dhe t? Pavarur do t? thoshte se Gojarti le t? shkoj n?
>Serbi - atje ku baba i tij v?llau e t? tjer?t kan? sherbye me besnik?rin e
>qenit.
>Mir?po, nj? gj? dihet, Kosov?n nuk do t? kemi mund?si ta ndertojm? me
>diferencime t? reja. Kosova sot? ka nevoj p?r nj? toleranc t? madhe. Nese
>fillojm? t? diferencojm? bjen fjala sa do t? mbeten t? past?r, sa e sa t?
>mjer? n? nj? menyr? apo tjet?r i kan? sherbye pushtetit t? at?hershem me
>vet?dije apo pa vet?dije.
>N? vitin 1992 familjen e agj?s tim e diferencoj i t?r fshati pse djali i
>tij? kishte pre dru n? malin e kish?s s? De?anit (n? fakt mal i shqiptar?ve
>por? i uzurpuar nga kisha). Mua at?here edhe pse isha n? mosh? t? re me
>erdhi keq jo p?r agjen por? p?r ata t? gjor?t qe n? menyr?n m? naive u b?n
>dor? e partis dhe e pushtetit serb.
>Un? mendoj se me nje toleranc t? madhe kemi mund?si ta b?jm? Kosov?n, e at?
>do ta b?jm?. Edhe Gojartit t? ri ndoshta i hyn? n? qef? nj? Kosov? e
>pavarur, vet?m at?here Gojarti mund ta prek kok?n e ti mallkoj bab e v?lla.
>
>Ju p?rshendes v?llaz?risht t? gjith?ve/ lus t? kemi k?mbim mendimesh n?
>menyr? konstruktive
>Jashar Berisha
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>A do t? jet? Gojart Kelmendi polic i ardhsh?m i Kosov?s?
>
>
>
>Biri i Jusuf Kelmendit, ish-drejtor i Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, (i cili ka
>ikur n? Serbi bashk? me forcat serbe t? sigurimit), v?lla i pun?torit t?
>Sh?rbimit Sekret serb, Gojarti nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars 1999 ka
>ndjekur
>Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd, Dega e Kriminalistik?s. Dy dit? pas fillimit
>t? bombardimeve ?sht? kthyer n? Kosov? dhe pas kat?r-pes? dit?sh, me maric?
>t? policis? serbe, s? bashku me familjen ka ikur n? Beograd, n? koh?n kur
>afro nj? milion shqiptar? ishin strehuar n? kampet e Shqip?ris? dhe t?
>Maqedonis?. Me gjith? biografin? e dyshimt?, Gojarti sot vijon Shkoll?n
>Policore n? Vushtrri.
>
>
>
>Prishtin?, 15 maj (Kosovapress) ? Gojart Kelmendi gjith? jet?n ka ?nd?rruar
>t? b?het polic. ?far? ngjyre dhe cilit pushtet do t?i p?rkas? uniforma e
>tij, p?r t? nuk ka edhe aq r?nd?si. Nga viti 1997 deri m? 24 mars t? vitit
>1999, kur filluan bombardimet e NATO-s mbi caqet ushtarake t? ?RFJ-s?", ai
>ka vijuar Deg?n e Kriminalistik?s, n? Shkoll?n Policore n? Beograd. N?
>koh?n
>kur ishin nx?n?sit e k?saj shkolle i zbatonin me p?rpik?ri n? Kosov?
>urdh?rat e regjimit, duke vrar? e torturuar shqiptar?. I veshur me
>uniform?,
>pantallona ngjyr? kafe dhe k?mish? oker, n? xhepin e s? cil?s mbante t?
>varur kart?n e studentit t? klas?s D2 t? gjenerat?s s? kat?rt t? Shkoll?s
>Policore n? Vushtrri, t? m?rkur?n, n? lokalet e k?saj shkolle, Gojarti
>p?rpiqej t? mbroj? ?t? drejt?n" e tij, p?r t? qen? pjes?tar i policis? s?
>re
>t? Kosov?s. ?M? ?sht? dukur m? mir? ta l? at? shkoll? (n? Beograd) dhe t?
>vij? k?tu", thoshte Gojarti, 21 vje?ar, pa pik? gjaku n? fytyr? dhe me
>duart
>q? i dridheshin. Nd?n?se e mohon, Gojarti edhe dy-tri her? t? tjera, ka
>konkurruar n? Sh?rbimin Policor t? Kosov?s (ShPK), por ?sht? refuzuar. Cila
>ishte arsyeja? Babai i Gojartit, Jusuf Kelmendi, ishte drejtor i Burgut t?
>Smrekovnic?s n? koh?n kur Kosova administrohej nga serb?t, nd?rsa t? gjith?
>pun?tor?t shqiptar? ishin d?buar me dhun? nga vendet e pun?s. P?r m? tep?r,
>Jusuf Kelmendi edhe sot i q?ndron besnik pun?dh?n?sve t? vet?. Ndodhet diku
>n? Serbi dhe ?sht? an?tar i Bordit t? drejtor?ve t? burgjeve t? Serbis?.
>Burgjeve prapa grilave t? t? cilave mbahen qindra shqiptar?. Nd?rkoh?,
>v?llai i Gojartit, Memli shkon gjurm?ve t? t? atit. Madje, ai kishte nj?
>detyr? edhe m? ?fisnike". Ishte pjes?tar i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. Gojarti
>insiston t? vazhdoj? tradit?n familjare policore. Por, a ?sht? ky njeriu q?
>i duhet policis? s? re dhe demokratike t? Kosov?s? Z?ved?skomisioneri p?r
>planifikim dhe zhvillim i policis? s? UNMIKU-ut, amerikani John Collins,
>pohon se kur ?sht? pranuar kandidatura e Gojartit, kan? pasur informacione
>se ?far? ka punuar babai i tij. ?Ne kishim informacione se babai i tij ka
>qen? drejtor burgu dhe se vazhdon t? punoj? n? serbi, por nuk kemi mundur
>t?
>v?rtetojm? asgj? t? keqe p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit", thot? Collins dhe
>shpjegon se ?disa fqinj dhe miq? t? tij, na kan? treguar p?r baban?, por
>kan? th?n? se Gojarti i p?rmbush kriteret p?r polic". P?rve? intervistave
>dhe testeve me kandidat?, n? hetimet e policis? s? UNMIK-ut dhe t?
>mbik?qyr?sve t? OSBE-s?, p?rfshihen edhe dy apo tri d?shmi t? miqve dhe t?
>njohurve t? kandidat?ve p?r polic? t? ardhsh?m t? Kosov?s. P?r Gojartin
>kan?
>d?shmuar halla e tij dhe fqinji i tij, Ajri Begu, drejtor i Autoritetit p?r
>Banka dhe Pagesa t? Kosov?s (Ajri Begu ?sht? bashk?shorti i doktoresh?s
>Flora Brovina, e cila ?sht? rr?mbyer nga forcat serbe dhe tani mbahet n?
>burgun e Pozharevcit - sh?n i KP).  ?Pyetni Ajri Begun, ai mund t?u flas
>p?r
>mua, sepse ai ma ka n?nshkruar d?shmin?", insistonte Gojarti. ?Un? e njoh
>Gojartin si nj? djal? t? ri, t? kulturuar, t? edukuar
 Nuk di p?r t?
>kaluar?n e familjes s? tij", tha p?r ?KD", Ajri Begu. T? nj?jten d?shmi,
>Begu e ka dh?n? edhe n? polici dhe ka theksuar se ?nuk d?shiron t?
>komentoj?
>t? kaluar?n e familjes s? Gojartit". K?to dy d?shmi, i kan? mjaftuar
>policis? s? UNMIK-ut, q? t?i jap? Gojartit titullin e studentit t? shkoll?s
>policore t? Kosov?s. N? komisionin p?r zgjedhjen e kandidat?ve, nd?rkaq nuk
>jan? t? involvuar kosovar?t. Por, policia nd?rkomb?tare pohon se ?gjithmon?
>i mir?pret d?shmit? nga qytetyr?t, t? cil?t din? di?ka p?r t? kaluar?n e
>kandidat?ve p?r polic?". Nj? fqinj i Gojartit, i cili nuk pranon t?
>identifikohet thot? se, ?para luft?s, Gojarti ngiste makinat e policis?
>serbe dhe krekosej para moshatar?ve t? vet?. Shfryt?zonte funksionin e
>babait dhe sillej me arroganc? me njer?zit".Gojarti mohon k?to. Po me
>maric?
>t? policis? serbe, dy jav? pas fillimit t? bombardimeve, s? bashku me n?n?n
>dhe v?llain ai ka ikur nga Kosova dhe ?sht? strehuar n? Beograd, at?her?
>kur
>kampet e Maqedonis? dhe Shqip?ris?, strehonin afro nj? milion shqiptar?.
>?Nj? shok i babait, serb i veshur n? uniform?, ka vozitur maric?n e
>policis?
>ku ishte familja ime, nd?rsa un? e kam vozitur makin?n e shokurt tim, ku
>ishin an?tar?t e familjes dhe kemi shkuar n? Beograd", tregon ai. N? Kosov?
>ishin kthyer dy jav? para p?rfundimit t? luft?s. Koleg?t e tij t? klas?s D2
>e din? se biri i kujt ?sht? Gojart Kelmendi, por nuk d?shirojn? t? thon?
>n?se u pengon kjo apo jo. ?Ka mundur t? bie viktim? e prind?rve", thot?
>kolegu i tij, Xhevat Krasniqi, ish-polic i Kosov?s dhe ish-ushtar i U?K-s?,
>i cili pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s, s? bashku me dy bashk?luft?tar? kishte
>shkuar n? banes?n e Jusuf Kelmendit p?r ta ?armatosur dhe p?r t? marr? nga
>ai informata rreth Burgut t? Smrekovnic?s, q? gjat? tre muajve t?
>bombardimeve, ishte shnd?rruar n? kamp p?rq?ndrimi, n?p?r katrahurat e t?
>cilit kishin kaluar rreth 5 mij? burra t? pafajsh?m shqiptar?. Por, Jusufi
>nuk kishte qen? n? sht?pi. Ai kishte ikur n? Serbi, s? bashku me forcat
>serbe t? sigurimit. ?E kemi marr? n? pyetje djalin e tij, Memlin, i cili
>dy-tri vjet?t e fundit ka punuar n? Sh?rbimin Sekret serb. Ai ka kryer disa
>p?rcjellje t? personaliteteve shqiptare, pohon Krasniqi. Gojarti nuk e
>pranon se v?llai i tij, Memli, ka qen? pun?tor i Sh?rbimit Sekret serb. ?E
>di vet?m se ka punuar n? SPB, nuk e di ?ka ka punuar aty"! Nd?rsa kolegu
>tjet?r nga klasa D2, Erhan Bu?inca, nuk d?shiron t? komentoj? t? kaluar?n e
>familjes s? Gojartit. Madje, at? e nervozon fakti se gazeta merret me t?
>kaluar?n e p?rgjegj?sve t? ardhsh?m t? siguris? dhe rendit n? Kosov?. ?Un?
>kam punuar dhjet? muaj me t?. Ai ?sht? djal? i mir?", shprehet ai. Para se
>t? pranohet n? shkoll?n policore, Gojarti ka punuar si p?rkthyes n?
>stacionin policor nr.1, n? Prishtin?. T? kaluar?n e Jusuf Kelmendit e din?
>t? gjith? ata q? e kan? njohur. Pik?risht, p?r shkak t? bashk?punimit me
>regjimin serb, djali i madh i Jusufit, Mentori ishte distancuar nga i jati
>dhe tash jeton n? Gjermani. Por, Gojarti nuk e ka nd?rmend t? disatancohet
>nga babai. ?Nuk kam p?rse. Babi im nuk ka b?r? asgj? t? keqe. P?rkundrazi,
>ai u ka ndihmuar shqiptar?ve. Po u ndihmon edhe tash t? burgosurve
>shqiptar?
>n? burgje". Gojarti, t? m?rkur?n asesi nuk pranonte se me 21 vjet?t e tij
>ka
>b?r? ndonj? vep?r t? keqe. ?Pyetni k? t? doni, n?se del dikush dhe thot? se
>un? kam b?r? di?ka t? keqe, vet? do t? largohem q? k?tej", thoshte ai
>gjithnj? i shqet?sur se mund t? p?rjashtohet nga shkolla, po qe se gazeta
>do
>t? shkruaj? p?r t?. ?Mund ta humbas karrier?n
" Ekipi p?r hetime i policis?
>s? UNMIK-ut dhe OSBE-s?, ka filluar rishqyrtimin e rastit dhe mbledhjen e
>d?shmive t? reja p?r t? kaluar?n e Gojartit. A do t? realizoj? Gojart
>Kelmendi n? Kosov? ?ndrr?n e kahmotshme, p?r t?u b?r? polic, do t? kuptohet
>m? 20 maj, kur pritet t? diplomoj? gjenerata e kat?rt e Sh?rbimit Policor
>t?
>Kosov?s.(?Koha Ditore")
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From kosova at jps.net  Thu May 18 12:06:36 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Thu May 18 12:06:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Amandamenti per Kosoven
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFOEKECOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Dhoma e P?rfaq?suesve miratoi t?rheqjen e ushtris? amerikane nga Kosova
Senati mund t? ndjek t? njejtin shembull

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 17 Maj)
P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

   Amandamenti p?r t?rheqjen e forcave amerikane nga Kosova gjithnj? e m?
tep?r po i afrohet momentit kur do t? shd?rrohej n? legjislatur? obliguese,
pra n? ligj.  Pas nj? debati t? ashp?r, Dhoma e P?rfaq?suesve, nj?ra nga dy
dhomat e Kongresit amerikan e miratoi dje amandamentin n?fljal? i cili
t?rheqjen e parasheh deri me dat?n 1 korrik, 2001.
Gjithashtu mbr?m? von? edhe Senati e filloj? debatin p?r t? njetin
amandament dhe votimi, i cili do t? realizohet sonte, pritet q? t? k?t?
rezultat t? ngjash?m me at? t? Dhom?s s? P?rfaq?suesve.  Pas vot?s n? Senat,
teksti p?rfundimtar i amandamentit do t? duhej t? miratohej nga komisioni i
p?rbashk?t i t? dy dhomave para se t'i d?rgohet presidentit p?r n?nshkrim,
gj? q? ai ?sht? k?rc?nuar se do t? p?rdor? lapsin e vetos.
   Masa e nd?rmarr? n? Dhom?n e p?rfaq?suesve k?rkon q? presidenti amerikan
t? v?rifikoj? deri me 1 prill vitin e ardhsh?m se aleat?t e NATO-s i kan?
p?rmbushur shumic?n e premtimeve p?r financimin e policis?, rind?rtimin dhe
sigurimin e ndihmave humanitare p?r Kosov?n.
   Pa nj? verifikim t? till? nga presidenti, fondet e miratuara p?r
operacionet paq?ruajt?se n? Kosov? do t? p?rdoreshin vet?m p?r t?rheqjen n?
m?nyr? t? rregullt t? rreth 6,000 trupave amerikane q? tani jan? t?
ngarkuara me detyr?n e ruajtjes s? paq?s n? nj? pjes? t? Kosov?s.
   Administrata e Klintonit e quajti veprimin e Dhom?s s? P?rfaq?suesve -- e
cila votoi 264 n? favor dhe 153 kund?r -- nj? "loj? t? rrezikshme" dhe humje
durimi t? panevojsh?m dhe me pasoja.
   Sekretarje amerikane e shtetit Medllin Allbrajt, e njohur p?r stilin e
saj konfrontues, tha se k?rkesa p?r t'i t?rhequr forcat amerikane nga Kosova
para kohe ishte "loj? me zjarr," sepse siq u shpreh ajo, "n? Ballkan humbja
e durimit mund t? interpretohet si shenj? e dob?sis?."
    Sekretarja amerikane e shtetit tha se stabiliteti n? Kosov? dhe Ballkan
?sht? i r?nd?sish?m p?r interesat amerikane edhe n? se nevojit?n vite t?
t?ra p?r t? arritur nj? stabilitet t? till?. Ajo tha se Shtetet e Bashkuara
nuk do t? mund t? plot?sonin synimet e tyre n? Evrop?n jug-lindore "duke
mbajtur syt? kah ora dhe p?rq?ndrimin n? at? se si po veprojn? t? tjer?t."
Nj? gj? e till? tha Allbrajt ?sht? e d?mshme p?r Amerik?n sepse, siq u
shpreh ajo "ne (amerikan?t) jemi m? tep?r se sa kontabilista dhe spektator?
* ne jemi udh?heq?s dhe objektivi yn? n? Evrop?n jug-lindore nuk ?sht? q? t?
largohemi, por t? fitojm?."
   Z?rit t? zonj?s Allbraj iu bashkangjit edhe Sekretari i P?rgjithsh?m i
NATO-s Xhorxh Robertson, i cili tha se t?rheqja e nj?anshme e Amerik?s nga
operacionet e NATO-s n? Kosov? do ta d?mtonte aleanc?n dhe nj?herit do ta
ndihmonte Sllobodan Millosheviqin.
   Mir?po kongresit?t si Xhon Kasic, republikan nga Ohio dhe bashk?-sponzor
i amandamentit, gjet?n k?naq?si t? vecant n? vendimin e Dhom?s s?
P?rfaq?suesve.
   "Duhet q? t'ua mbajm? k?mb?t mbi zjarr," tha ai p?r aleat?t e NATO-s,
edhe pse vet e pranoi se ata kan? b?r? m? shum? n? muajt e fundit duke marr?
mbi vete nj? pjes? t? barr?s s? Kosov?s.  Amandamenti q? u miratua dje nuk
ndryshon shum? nga ai q? Dhoma e P?rfaq?suesve nuk e miratoi muajin e
kaluar, p?rvec se ky i fundit i jep mund?si presidentit q? ta shty afatin e
v?rifikimit t? pun?s s? aleat?ve dy her? nga 90 dit? p?r shkaqe t? "siguris?
komb?tare."
   Amandamenti n? fjal? ?sht? i lidhur me fondet prej 8.6 miliard? dollar?sh
p?r nd?rtimtari n? ushtri, nga e cila shum? 4.7 miliard? dollar? jan?
caktuar p?r t? mbuluar "paket?n e shpenzimeve emergjente" p?r fondet q? vec
jan? shpenzuar n? Kosov? deri me tani.  Presidenti Klinton ?sht? k?rc?nuar
se do ta p?rdor? veton e tij, dhe kjo i ka shqet?suar sponzoruesit e
amandamentit, t? cil?t jan? shprehur se jan? t? gatsh?m p?r bisedime me
presidentin -- ndoshta edhe p?r ta anuluar t?r?sisht tekstin p?r Kosov?n --
vet?m q? mos t? anulohet buxheti p?r nd?rtimtari n? ushtri, buxhet i cili
?sht? i domosdosh?m p?r t? funksionuar si duhet Departmenti i Mbrojtjes.
    Mir?po p?r dy arsye ekziston nj? mund?si e vog?l q? amandamenti n? fjal?
t? anulohet n? t?r?si ose n? Senat ose n? t? ahstuquajtur?n konferenc? e
p?rbashk?t para se ai t? arrij? n? tavolin?n e presidentit.  Nj?ra nga
arsyet ?sht? sepse nj?ri nga senator?t, Karl Levin, do ta paraqes? nj?
amandament tjet?r n? t? cil?n do t? votohet p?r anulimin e amandamentit p?r
t?rheqje t? spnzoruar nga senator?t Byrd dhe Uorner p?r Kosov?n.  Kurse
arsyeja tjet?r ?sht? kandidati republikan p?r president Xhorxh Bush.
   Guvernatori nga Teksasi ?sht? kund?r amandamentit t? koleg?ve t? tij Byrd
dhe Uorner dhe e ka quajtur p?rpjekjen e Kongresit p?r ta kufizuar pushtetin
e presidentit kur ?sht? fjala p?r ushtrin? nj? "st?rzgjatje" t? dor?s
legjislative.  Kund?rshtimi i amandamenti nga Bushi e ka ndalur duksh?m
hovin e republikan?ve n? Senat dhe sipas kryetarit t? Komitetit t?
Rregulllimeve prej nga e kishte zanafill?n amandamenti, q?ndrimi i Bushit
mund ta anuloj? t?r?sisht k?te pjes?  legjislature.
   "Po q? se Guvernatori Bush e kund?rshton, amandamenti ?sht? i vdekur,"
tha senatori Ted Stivens nga Alaska, i cili ?sht? edhe bashk?-sponzor i
amandamentit p?r t?rheqje.  Kund?r amandamenti ?sht? edhe senatori me ndikim
dhe ish kandidati p?r president nga arizona, Xhon M?kein, i cili edhe pse
republikan, ishte shtylla kryesore n? mb?shtetje t? presidentit Klinton
gjat? fushat?s bombarduese kund?r Serbis?.
   "Jemi t? vendosur q? t? luftojm? deri n? fund p?r ta nxjerr jasht tekstin
(p?r Kosov?n) nga ky amandament," tha M?kein nd?rkoh? q? amandamentin e
quajti "t? pa vend."





From fadilsadiku at hotmail.com  Thu May 18 14:55:06 2000
From: fadilsadiku at hotmail.com (Fadil Sadiku)
Date: Thu May 18 14:55:06 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice]
Message-ID: <20000518185459.72103.qmail@hotmail.com>

Si duket nuk jemi aqe trima sa na ka marr mendja dhe i kemi bere qejf 
vetit.Nga nje grrumbull Serbesh asnje nga Ne nuk guzojme te  shkojme ne 
Brezovic dhe te kalojme nje kohe te mire atje.
Ndoshta nje dite do ta kuptojme se vertet duhemi te punojme me teper per 
lirin e ketij vendi dhe Jo vetem te mundohemi ta nxeme nje Fotele dikund ne 
nje vend Udheheqes.

Nese dikujt nuk i pelqejne keto fjale ju lutem qe me argumente dhe pa lavdi 
kombtare te pergjigjeni?.
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From p9 at mail.com  Fri May 19 10:45:15 2000
From: p9 at mail.com (___P_9___ bomba)
Date: Fri May 19 10:45:15 2000
Subject: [RE: [Prishtina-l] Pista ne Brezovice]
Message-ID: <382901932.958747511001.JavaMail.root@web135-mc.mail.com>

po mire e ke zoteri se kishim mujt me thy barieren e shkijeve ne shterpce
por porblemi eshte qe KFOR-i e ka blloku ate vend dhe nuk ke shanse te
shkosh te molika hiq sepse edhe une jam qe nja 15 rregullisht duke shku ne
brezovice por qe dy sezona skam shku per kete. kjo ishte pergjigje pa lavdi
kombtare

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Si duket nuk jemi aqe trima sa na ka marr mendja dhe i kemi bere qejf
vetit.Nga nje grrumbull Serbesh asnje nga Ne nuk guzojme te  shkojme ne
Brezovic dhe te kalojme nje kohe te mire atje.
Ndoshta nje dite do ta kuptojme se vertet duhemi te punojme me teper per
lirin e ketij vendi dhe Jo vetem te mundohemi ta nxeme nje Fotele dikund ne
nje vend Udheheqes.

Nese dikujt nuk i pelqejne keto fjale ju lutem qe me argumente dhe pa lavdi
kombtare te pergjigjeni?.
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From kosova at jps.net  Fri May 19 11:42:40 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Fri May 19 11:42:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Ushtria_amerikane_do_t=EB_mbetet_n=EB_Kosov=EB?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFKELPCOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Senati q?llon amandamentin p?r vdekje
Ushtria amerikane do t? mbetet n? Kosov?

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington)
19 Maj, 2000

   Me nj? veprim t? papritur Senati amerikan i tha ?jo? amandamentit q?
k?rkonte largimin e trupave amerikane nga Kosova deri n? vitin e ardhsh?m.
   Presidenti Klinton me nj? raket? politike t? drejtuar me laz?r, ose m?
sakt?sisht me ndihm?n e kund?rshtarit t? tij politik Xhorxh Bush, arriti q?
ta q?lloi p?r vdekje amandamentin e paraqitur nga senator?t nga shtetet
Virgjinia, Robert Byrd dhe Xhon Uorner.  N? Uashington dhe n? kryeqytetet
tjera per?ndimore, si dhe n? bot?n shqiptare tani po merret frym? lirisht
pas nj? shqet?simi dhe agonije nj?-javore nd?sa po diskutohej amandamenti n?
dy dhomat e Kongresit amerikan.
   Amandamenti q? u anulua t? enjt?n pas dite n? Senat, n? vet?vete
p?rmbante disa porosi figurative:  Millosheviqi nuk do t? kthehej n? Kosov?;
shqiptar?t do t? ken? rast t? punojn? drejt t? ardhm?s s? tyre m? t? mir?;
NATO mbetej unike; dhe Kongresi tregoi se nuk ishte institucion q? mund t?
manipulohej nga dy-tre ligj?v?n?ns (Kasi&, Frank) me agjend? t? fsheht?.
   Pas nj? debati q? zgjati mbi dhjet? or?, debat q? her?-her? i ngjante
dyluftimit t? glladiatorve n? ringun politik, amandamenti i ashtuquajtur
Byrd-Uorner u refuzua me 53 vota p?r dhe 47 kund?r, duke lejuar k?shtu
q?ndrimin me afat t? pacaktuar t? ushtris? amerikane n? Kosov?.  I
shnd?rruar n? ligj, amandamenti do t? nd?rpriste fondet p?r rreth 6,000
ushtar?t amerikan n? Kosov? dhe do obligonte presidentin q? t? fillonte
t?rheqjen e trupave me 1 korrik vitin e ardhsh?m.
   Kur amandamenti n? fjal? u miratua n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve t? m?rkur?n
me vot? 264-153, miratimi i t? nj?jtit dokument n? Senat t? nes?rm?n u duk
pun? e kryer.
   Mir?po n? amandament filluan t? duk?n plasaritje kur n? ring u hodh?n
legjislator? t? kategoris? s? r?nd? si Xhon M?kein, Xhorxh Bush, Karl Levin,
Ri&?rd Lug?r -- t? ujdhes?s legjislative; Uesli Kllark, Bill Klinton,
Medllin Albrajt, Uilliam Koh?n, Al Gore t? ujdhes?s ekzekutive.  Z?ri i
arsyes dhe alarmit erdhi edhe nga ana tjet?r e Atllantikut me theks britanik
t? Sekretarit t? P?rgjithsh?m Xhorxh Robertson.
   Arsyetimi i tyre p?r ta anuluar amandamentin arsyetohej leht?.  Si do t?
arsyetohej Uashingtoni, fillimisht para NATO-s, pastaj para bot?s dhe n?
fund para kosovar?ve se ishin amerikan?t ata t? cil?t pa ndonj? nevoj? t?
kuptueshme, po l?shonin arm?t dhe po ktheheshin n? sht?pi kur n? Kosov?
vet?m sa ka filluar beteja p?r nd?rtimin e paq?s?
      Miratimi i amandamentit n? fjal? do t? ?krijonte nj? periudh? t?
rrezikshme pasigurie, nj? periudh? destabilizuese pasigurie,? deklaroi gjat?
debatit t? tij t? zjarrt senatori demokrat nga Mi&igeni, Karl Levin.  Ai
bashk? me senatorin M?kein e paraqit?n kund?r-amandamentin e tyre q? do ta
anulonte tekstin e amandamentit Byrd-Uorner nga buxheti prej 8.6 miliard?
dollar?sh p?r nd?rtimtari n? ushtri.
   ?Po q? se e miratojm? k?t? amandament (p?r Kosov?n), ne do ta nd?zim
fitilin,? u k?rc?nua n? or?t e fundit t? debatit para votimit udh?heq?si i
demokrat?ve n? senat, Tom Dash?l.  Ai posa kishte filluar debati n? or?t e
m?ngjesit, i kishte telefonuar urgjentisht n?npresidentit Al Gore q? t?
kthehej n? Senat n? rast se vota do t? ishte baraz 50-50.  N?npresidenti ka
t? drejt vote dhe ndonj?her? ftohet p?r ta ushtruar k?t? t? drejt? p?r ta
thyer barazimin.  K?saj here, edhe pse Gore besnik?risht q?ndroi deri n?
fund t? votimin n? Senat, ndihma e tij nuk ishte e nevojshme.
   Sponzoruesit e amandamentit, senator?t Robert Byrd dhe Xhon Uorner me
kok? posht? e pranuan se kalimi i guvernatorit Xhorxh Bush n? an?n e kund?rt
t? k?saj pjese t? legjislatur?s e kishte goditur r?nd? nism?n e tyre.  Ata
premtuan se do t? p?rpiqeshin p?r ta ngjallur amandamentin me nj? tekst ?m?
t? but?? q? do t? k?rkonte angazhim m? serioz n? Kosov? t? evropian?ve.
   Mir?po Sekretari i p?rgjitghsh?m i NATO-s Xhorxh Robertson tha se Byrd
dhe Uorner mund t?i kishin shifrat gabim. Trupat evropiane, sipas tij, tash
p?rb?nin 80 p?rqind t? forc?s nd?rkomb?tare n? Kosov? dhe se Evropa ?duksh?m
mbante barr?n m? t? madhe financiare.?  Ai tha se t?rheqja e amerikan?ve nga
Kosova do ta l?ndonte misionin paq?ruajt?s.
   Udh?heq?sit e NATO-s jan? t? bindur se Millosheviqi ka plane p?r t?u
kthyer nj? dit? n? Kosov?, prandaj largimi i amerikan?ve nga rajoni do t?i
hapte atij nj? dritare mund?sie dhe do t?ja shtonte apetititn p?r realizimin
e planit t? tij.  Kjo n? t? njet?n koh? do t?i alarmonte edhe shqiptar?t,
thon? zyrtar?t e NATO-s.
   Mu p?r k?t?, sekretari Robertson u detyrua q? n? m?nyr? t? pazakonshme t?
nd?rhynte n? pun?t e Kongresit nj? dit? para se t? votonte Senati p?r t?ju
p?rkujtuar senator?ve amerikan? si Byrd dhe Uorner, se ata, p?rkund?r
disponimit negativ q? kan? p?r evropian?t, n? t? njet?n koh? kan? obligime
ndaj aleanc?s s? NATO-s.



From mehollim at hotmail.com  Mon May 22 16:10:14 2000
From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:10:14 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [nisjobs] UNCHS jobs in Kosovo
Message-ID: <20000522201015.92535.qmail@hotmail.com>

>UNITED NATIONS CENTRE FOR HUMAN SETTLEMENTS
>(HABITAT)
>
>Housing and Property Directorate
>Housing and Property Claims Commission
>
>
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>mandated by the UN Secretary General to regularise housing and
>property rights in Kosovo until such a time as local
>courts and governmental institutions are able to operate effectively
>and impartially.
>
>Candidates are required for the following posts:
>
>           Executive Director
>           Registrar Claims Commission
>           Senior Legal Advisor
>           Regional Co-ordinator / Legal Officer
>           Housing Mediator
>           Housing Allocations Officer
>           Mediator / Legal Officer (8 posts)
>           Training Officer
>           Housing Officer
>           Information Technology Officer
>           Information Officer
>
>All posts require a minimum of 3 years experience in a related
>position. International recruitment conditions apply.
>
>Some of the above posts may be funded by the European Union
>and could be available as secondments from European Public
>Institutions such as national and local government / agencies or
>educational institutions.
>
>Interested candidates for recruitment or secondment should forward
>a copy of their CV and / or Personal History Form by e-mail to:
>
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>
>Applications will be accepted for two weeks following publication of
>this advert. Further information, Personal History Forms and job
>descriptions are available from the UNCHS (Habitat) web site
>located at http://www.unchs.org
>
>
>
>
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From puka at usa.net  Mon May 22 17:07:08 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: 22 May 00 17:07:08 EDT
Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Pershtypjet nga Prishtina]
Message-ID: <20000522210708.23852.qmail@nwcst291.netaddress.usa.net>

Shume mire e ka shkrujt, se shipecat tjere zakonisht kur i pyt najsen vetem te
thojin ose "mire ke" , "llom eshte", duhet me dana me ju nxjerr fjalt. 

---
T'atjeta Etrit,
Shkova me ballon deri ne Shkup , direkt prej Gatwickut (aeroport afer
Londres). Aty, mbeturinat e Bugarve (Maqendonet) me thane se me duhet viza
transit dhe se kushton 30 marka per person. I nxerra markat e ata me thane ,
na nuk marrim marka , duhet me i kthye ne Denare. Ku me i thye? - pyeta une
i trullosur. Qe, ne kete zyre, 3 metra ma larg. I theva 100 marka e  ata nuk
me kthyen kusure hic. Kur i pyeta per kusur me thane : sega e dobro. Qe ma
merr mendja do me thene, mire eshte. I lane tips vetes. Nejse mi jomshen 10
marka e kurre hajrin mos jau pafshin. Gjithashtu kjo me kushtoi nja nje ore
vonese por s'ka dert. Pa dale mire prej aeroportit me grabiten taksistat ,
shqiptare. Ku po shkon o vllavi i jem? Sa deri ne Prishtine? 150 mark. Dheze
dramen e hajt nisu. Me vone psai qe te kem mberi  ne Prishtine me thane se
150mark jane shume dhe se 100 eshte shume rreale. Edhe pse rruga ishte shume
e keqe, plot me gropa ne te cilat mujke me u mshefe krejt nje traktor i
madh, edhe pse femija 15 vjecar ishin shoferat ma te mire ne rruge, mas 2-3
oreve ja mrrina ne maje te Veterrnikut.
 Aaaaaiiiiiiiihhaaaaa , Prishtina si Los Angeles-i, plot drita. Si LA-ja vec
edhe si djath zvicerran. Plot antena sateliti. Shkova ne shtepi e i
shastrisa krejt. Kurkush nuk e ka dite qe po shkoj dhe nje nate perpara sa
folem me tel. I befasova shume po edhe veten e befasova edhe ma shume. Po,
me duhet me pranu, po, kam qajte pak. Per pak kohe u bo hallakame. Erdhen te
njofshmit e kojshia me u pa me mue. Une dola me vellaun me i percjelle do
musafire deri te Grandi dhe kijata deri ne kafiqa. 
Plot rini, tollovi, njerzia te veshun e te ndrequn mire, pije me bollek,
fakin najs. Femna po. Te reja e te mira po. Koha e nxehte. Shume pluhun dhe
shume tym. Krejt pijshin duhon. 
Mue shume me ka pelqye atje. Gjinja ishin te nxone shume me pune dhe kishin
takate e vullnet per gjithcka. Natyrisht, cifrat e markave qe u permendshin,
ishin hala te madhaja per ne ketu (si edhe perpara). Shume shoke te mi tash
ma nuk dilshin nate per nate dhe dite per dite, vec edhe kur dilshin kishin
cka me shpenzue.
Po qe pak kishte ma shume njerez se ka infrasrukture Prishtina, po qe kishte
ma shume berllog e pluhur se qe duhet te kete nje qytet por nuk ishin gjera
qe nuk perballohen. Qysh nuk ka gjygje, polici e pushtet atje ishte shume
qete dhe shume mire. Per dy jave sa qendrova atje nuke pashe asnje aksident
trafiku dhe asnje incident ndernjerzore, ndoshta pata fat. Gjithnje me
kujtohej se si ka qene para nje viti. Kryesorja qe shkije e qirilice nuk
kishte per ilace. Kur i shifja ushtaret e TMK-se me u niforma, mue valla me
behej zemra mal. Nje nate na nali policia nderkombetare me disa te vendit.
Isha i dejun rrote. Shume mire u sillen dhe mjaftonte qe polici te drejtohej
ne shqipe. Mund te them qe jam kenaqe. Njerezit me thonin qe per dy jave nuk
ke mundesi ti shijosh te keqijat e mua perkundrazi ma merr mendja se te
keqen e shef per nje minute. Nuk dua qe te rrej, atje nuk ishte si ne
Zvicerr apo ndonje vend ne perendim por ishte ajo Prishtine ne te cilen jam
rritur por pa shkije. enderr qe per mua u be zhgenderr.
Nje verejtje: Ruaju kur te kthehesh. Ka me te mbyte nostalgjia e besa edhe
depresioni. Ndoshta vetem mua por, isha pase mesuar pa Prishtine qe 9 vite
dhe shume gjera as qe me kujtoheshin. E kisha pas tejkaluar Home-sicknessin,
e tash e ripertiva. Dola ne gyrbet prej fillimit.
Kaq e me te mira

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Ja nje observim prej nje te huaji:
Everywhere you go you see graffiti - UCK Nato. Now at first, I thought
this was rude word, with the F painted out. But UCK is the Albanian for
KLA, the Kosovo Liberation Army. 


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From burimh at hotmail.com  Tue May 23 07:51:37 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:51:37 GMT
Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Pershtypjet nga Prishtina]
Message-ID: <20000523115137.1566.qmail@hotmail.com>

A e din kush qat web-sajtin e atij erifit qi e kish bo fjalorin
ship-anglisht dhe bythprap?
ju falenderohna ne perpara...

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From kosova at jps.net  Tue May 23 09:42:04 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:42:04 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Per=EBndimi_me_opozit=EBn_-_Lindja_me_Millosheviqin?=
Message-ID: <NEBBJGGBHLPACBNCPDHNGEDFCAAA.kosova@jps.net>

Per?ndimi me opozit?n ? Lindja me Millosheviqin
Cili do t? fiton n? Beograd?

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 22 May)
P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

   Zyrtar?t amerikan? kan? filluar koordinimin e veprimeve me evropian?t p?r
ta ndihmuar opozit?n serbe kund?r Millosheviqit.
   N? an?n tjet?r Rusia me disa veprime koheve t? fundit, &artas ka dalur n?
krahun e diktatorit serb duke injoruar marr?veshjet nd?rkomb?tare.
   Shenjat e para se Rusia po fillonte bashk?punimin me Millosheviqin ishte
vizita e ambasador?ve rus dhe kinez n? Beograd muajin e kaluar p?rkund?r
protestave t? shteteve t? tjera an?tare t? delegacionin q? vizitoj? Kosov?n.
   Jav?n e kaluar bashk?punimi Mosk?-Beograd u trash edhe m? tutje kur
ministri serb i mbrojtjes, gjenerali Dragoljub Ojdanic, i cili gjendet n?
list?n e t? paditur?ve p?r krime t? luft?s n? Kosov? vizitoi Mosk?n. Atje ai
u prit me nderime nga zyrtar? t? lart? rus? dhe mori pjes? n? ceremonin? e
inaugurimit t? presidenti t? ri sur, Vladimir Putin.
   Sipas marr?veshjeve nd?rkomb?tare q? ka n?nshkruar Rusia si an?tare e
p?rhershme e K?shillit t? Sigurimit n? OKB, gjenerali serb duhej t?
arrestohej dhe t?i dor?zohej Hag?s.  Sipas aktakuz?s s? gjykat?s
nd?rkomb?tare p?r krimet e luft?s, Ojdaniq ?sht? p?rgjegj?s p?r s? paku
shtat? masakra civile t? shqiptar?ve n? Kosov?.   Jo vet?m q? nuk ndodhi
arrestimi, por serbi i akuzuar p?r krime lufte b?ri marr?dh?nje ushtarake,
me &?rast Rusia i dha Millosheviqit nj? ndihm? prej 102 milion? dollar?sh
dhe paralajm?roi nj? hua tjet?r prej 32 milion? dollar?sh n? form? nafte p?r
Beogradin.
   Ideja e ndihm?s ruse Millosheviqit ting?llon edhe m? ironike kur dihet se
Moska ndihmat q? ja jep nj? t? akuzuari p?r krime t? luft?s i merr nga Banka
Bot?rore dhe Fondi Monetar Nd?rkomb?tar, ku nj? pjes? t? madhe t?
kontributit n? k?to institucione nd?rkombn?tare e jep Amerika.
   Me t? marr? vesh p?r vizit?n e gjeneralit serb, edhe gjykata e Hag?s edhe
Uashingtoni reaguan me zemrim, por deri me tash nuk ?sht? e &art n?se
Shtetet e Bashkuara do t? nd?rmarrin ndonj? hap konkret p?r pengimin e
ndihmave t? Rusis? nga per?ndimi.
   Sipas disa analizave t? m?hershme thuhej se Putini mund t? mos ishte
shum? dashamir?s i Millosheviqit dhe spekulohej se ai ndoshta edhe mund ta
ndohmonte NATO-n nj? dit? n? arrestimin e luft?nxit?sit serb.  Analist?t
kishin arritur n? nj? p?rfundim t? till? sepse gjat? gjith? fushat?s s? tij
p?r president, Putini nuk e kishte z?n? fare n? goj? Millosheviqin dhe shum?
pak kishte folur p?r Serbin?.
   Mir?po mik?pritja q? Rusia i b?ri nj? t? akuzuari p?r kriminel t? luft?s
dhe dh?nja e ndihmave Millosheviqit prerazi e ndan Rusin? nga per?ndimi kur
?sht? fjala p?r Millosheviqin dhe Serbin?.  Papritmas veprimet e Putinit
edhe m? tutje e kan? komplikuar pun?n e per?ndimit n? orvatjet p?r ta
rr?zuar Millosheviqin nga ?froni i kuq?.  P?rveq marr?veshjes ushtarake dhe
p?r ndihma financiare, Moska dhe Beogradi jan? marr? vesh? edhe p?r
koordiminin e pun?s n? zhdukjen e z?rit t? opozit?s duke mbyllur me dhun?
mediat e tyre.  Edhe Moska edhe Borgradi koh?ve t? fundit kan? sulmuar
organ?t e informimit t? pavarur.
   Krahas k?saj, si duket Rusia gjithashtu ka koordinuar pun?n me aleat?t e
saj p?r t?i ndihmuar Serbis? n? planin ekonomik dhe ushtarak.
   Me dat?n 8 maj, presidenti Sllovak, Rudolf Shyster u takua me homologun e
tij grek, Kostis Stefanopullus dhe kryeministrin grek Kostas Simitis n?
Athin? dhe u pajtuan p?r ta p?rkrahur iden? e heqjes s? sanksioneve ndaj
Serbis?.  Me deklarimin e tij n? favor t? heqjes s? sanksioneve n? fjal?,
tregon se presidenti sllovak ka l?vizur nga q?ndrimi i tij i m?parsh?m q?
p?rputhej me at? t? NATO-s dhe tash ?sht? kthyer kah Moska.  Sa p?r Greqin?,
Athina vazhdimisht ?sht? gjetur n? krahun e Mosk?s kur ka qen? n? pyetje
Serbia.  Vet?m nj? dit? m? von? pas takimit me udh?heq?sin sllovak, ministri
grek i mbrojtjes e kritikoi ?sanksionet anakronistike nd?rkomb?tare? kund?r
Serbis? duke th?n? se Greqia ishte t?r?sisht n? kund?rshtim me Uashingtonin
p?r k?t? &?shtje.
   Kjo nuk ?sht? hera e par? q? Greqia nuk ?sht? n? pajtim me kryeqytetin
amerikan kur ?sht? fjala p?r Serbin?.  Grek?t ishin t? vetmit q? refuzuan t?
marrin pjes? n? fushat?n bombarduese kund?r Serbis? p?r Kosov?n dhe n? t?
nj?jt?n koh? u p?rpoq?n q? t? pengonin trupat amerikane q? t? kalonin n?p?r
territorin e tyre p?r t? mb?shtetur forcat e NATO-s n? rajon gjat? sulmit
kund?r Serbis? vitin e kaluar.
  Koalicioni pro-Millosheviqit nuk ndalet me kaq.  Me q? Serbia tash po
krenohet me suksesin e saj p?r t?i mashtruar raketat e NATO-s me manipulime
t? sh?njestrave p?r t?u dukur si t? v?rteta, ajo k?t? ?zhd?rvjellt?si? ia ka
ofruar armikut t? Amerik?s dhe NATO-s, Sadam Huseinit t? Irakut.  Sipas disa
analizave t? ekspert?ve amerikan?, Iraku dhe Serbia t? ndihmuar nga Rusia,
bashk?punuan n? taktikat mbrojt?se p?rpara, gjat? dhe pas luft?s p?r
Kosov?n.  Sipas disa raporteve, kan? filluar kontakte t? nivelit t? lart?
midis k?tyre tri shteteve q? nga prilli dhe Iraku ka dekluar se si rezultat
i ndihm?s nga Rusia, Bagdati tash ?sht? n? gjendje t? mbrohet nga raketat
amerikane t? tipit HARM q? jan? p?rdorur p?r t? q?lluar sh?njestrat m? par?
n? Irak e m? von? kund?r Serbis?.  Po q? se raportet nga Iraku jan? t?
v?rteta, aeroplan?t amerikan? dhe britanik? q? tani patrullojn? ?zon?n e
mosfluturimit? mbi Irak mund t? rrezikohen.
      P?r ta dob?suar pozit?n e Millosheviqit, per?ndimi ka filluar
angazhim, ose s? paku, planifikim m? serioz p?r ta ndihmuar opozit?n serbe
kund?r qeveris? n? Beograd.  Sekretarja amerikane e shtetit Medllin Ollbrajt
dhe Xhejmi Gama, ministri i jasht?m portugez, i cili udh?heq kryesin? e
Bashkimit Evropian, deklaruan se ishin inkurrajuar nga protestat publike
kund?r Millosheviqit.  Ollbrajt deklaroi se pala amerikane kishte biseduar
me evropian?t ?p?r ta rritur p?rkrahjen p?r burrat dhe grat? trime q? po
k?rkojn? t? drejtat e tyre n? qytetet dhe fshatrat e t?r? Serbis?.?
   Gama gjithashtu tha se BE po p?rq?ndrohet n? bashk?punim m? t? ngusht? me
opozit?n ne ndihm?n p?r ?shoq?rin? civile, median s? pavarur, komunat
opozitare, duke p?r t? krijuar k?shtu kushtet p?r nj? opozit? t? fort? e
cila do t? dilte n? rrug? p?r t? shprehur vullnetin e popullit.?
  Mir?po gjykuar nga numri i pjes?marr?sve n? protest?n e fundit n? Beograd
(vet?m 2,000) krahasuar me nj? tjet?r vet?m dy dit? m? par? (10,000) tregon
se taktika e Millosheviqit tash p?r tash ?sht? ?sht? me me efekt.
   Disa analist? n? t? kaluar?n e kan? parapar? se lufta e fundit n?
shp?rb?rjen e Jugosllavis? do t? zhvillohet n? Beograd.  Me k?mb?nguljen e
Millosheviqit p?r t? q?ndruar n? pushtet (me ndihm?n e aleat?ve t? tij) n?
mbrojtje t? pozit?s dhe tani edhe t? jet?s s? vet, si dhe m? shtytjen e
opozit?s nga per?ndimi n? luft?n ?p?r liri?, ky vit mund t? jet? realizues i
parashikimeve t? lartp?rmendura.



From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Tue May 23 14:17:12 2000
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:17:12 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
Message-ID: <20000523181712.62812.qmail@hotmail.com>

Question to George:

Who are you? Do you speak Albanian or is someone translating for you?

Regards

M.
>From: George Garza <george33030 at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ???
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:17:45 -0700 (PDT)
>
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>+Dear Sylo,
>Thank you for your support on maintaining the topic of
>this discussion. After all, isn't it a fact that the
>problems in the Balkans have historically been caused
>by the ethnic hatred and strife that has gone on for
>too long and has served to make the Balkan countries a
>most undesireable place with which the rest of the
>world might have any type of relationship?
>And if we were to stop this discussion because it
>makes certain individuals upset, that would be a form
>of censorship which we fredom-loving Americans detest.
>Thank you for raising the fact that we non-Albanian
>speakers are contributing to this forum and that
>perhaps we can ALL learn from each other.
>I agree that by limiting the list to ONLY the Albanian
>language-speaking participants would constitute an
>arrogant atmosphere to this forum and therefore those
>of us Americans and others from other countries would
>not be able to freely share our ideas.
>Thus, we'd only be able to read and watch the
>discussions and continue to silently stand by as the
>dialogue continues in the Albanian language.
>--George
>--- Sylo Taraku <sylo at online.no> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> > Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si
> > administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te
> > nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po
> > shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet
> > nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e
> > rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une.
> >
> > Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe
> > njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e
> > tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne
> > rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare
> > teme te diskutohet ketu.
> >
> > Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan kontribuar,
> > me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe prevojave, qe ne
> > nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj "This list is for
> > Albanian language only" e konsideroj si arrogante
> > dhe te pabaze.
> >
> > Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni
> > qendrimin tuaj.
> >
> > Perzemersisht:
> > Sylo
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30
> > Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l]
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> > > Dardani
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From kosova at jps.net  Wed May 24 09:57:26 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 06:57:26 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Veprimet_e_Putinit_shqet=EBsuese_p=EBr_amerikan=EBt?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFIEOLCOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Veprimet e Putinit shqet?suese p?r amerikan?t

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 24 May)

   M? p?rhapjen e lajmit se SHBA-t? dhe evropian?t do t?i koordinojn?
p?rpjekjet p?r mb?shtetjen m? t? fuqishme t? opozit?s serbe, Moska ka
filluar koordinimet e veta dhe ka ftuar opozit?n p?r bisedime reciproke.
Analist?t politik? spekulojn? se ftesa e opozitar?ve t? Millosheviqit p?r ta
vizituar Mosk?n me 29 maj mund t? ket? q?llim t? dyfisht.
   E para mund t? jet? orvatja e presidentit rus Vladimir Putin p?r t?i
zbutur kritikat e per?ndimit duke e siguruar at? se Moska nuk bashk?punon
vet?m me qeverin? e diktatorit serb, por edhe me opozit?n e tij p?r t? mir?n
e Serbis? dhe se po p?rpiqet q? t? promovoj? demokraci n? republik?n q?
vazhdimisht ka shkaktuar gjakderdhje dhe shkat?rrim gjat? dekad?s s? fundit.
   Kurse q?llimi tjet?r -- dhe i cili ?sht? edhe m? real -- ka t? b?j? m?
?k?shillat? q? do t?i jep Moska opozit?s p?r t? mos nxitur ndonj? luft?
civile brenda shtetit t? saj.  Disa analist? parashohin se me shtimin e
ndihm?s nga per?ndimi p?r opozit?n dhe vazhdim?sia e  Rusis? dhe Kin?s p?r
ta ndihmuar Millosheviqin mund t? shkaktoj? konflikt brenda Serbis? sepse
diktatori serb ?sht? i gatsh?m, mendojn? ata, q? t? vras edhe popullin e vet
p?r t? shp?tuar l?kur?n e tij.
   Mir?po fakti se v?llau i Millosheviqit q? ?sht? ambasador n? Rusi, nuk ka
shprehur shqet?sin p?r ftes?n e Mosk?s, tregon se vizita e opozit?s tek
aleati num?r nj? i Serbis? mund t? mos jet? k?rc?nuese p?r v?llaun e tij
pushtetar n? Beograd. Borisllav Millosheviqi ?sht? cituar n? agjencin? ruse
Interfaks t? ket? th?n? se ?Moska kurr nuk do t? angazhohej p?r rr?zimin e
qeveris? s? Beogradit.?
   Zyra e ministris? se jashtme serbe e quajti ftes?n p?r vizit? t? opozit?s
nj?  ?gj? private? dhe t? par?nd?sishme.  N? an?n tjet?r Beogradi m? t?
madhe po shp?rndan deklarata n? per?ndim p?r ?marr?dh?njet e mrekullueshme?
midis qeveris? serbe dhe qeverive t? Rusis? dhe asaj kineze.  Ministria
serbe lajm?roi se s? shpejti n? kryeqytetin serb do t? vij? p?r vizit?
kreytari i parlamentit kinez Li Peng (q? nga mbarimi i luft?s vjet, Kina i
ka dh?n? qindra miliona dollar? ndihm? Millosheviqit) dhe se Beogradi po
nd?rmerrte masa ligjore p?r t?  ?ndaluar aktivitetet terroriste? t?
opozit?s.
   Nd?rkoh? n? SHBA vazhdon t? shtohet indinjata rreth veprimeve t? Putinit
i cili jav?n e kaluar ishte nikoqir i nj? t? akuzuari p?r krime t? luft?s n?
Kosov?, gjenerali Dragolub Ojdaniq.  P?r Uashingtonin ishte gjithashtu
shqet?sues fakti se Rusia i dha qeveris? serbe nj? pako ndihmash prej 102
milion? dollar?sh plus 32 milion? n? form? karburantesh.  Veprimet e Mosk?s
jan? sulmuar ashp?r nga shtypi amerikan.  Dje n? faqet editoriale t? t?
p?rditshm?s ?The Washington Post? thuhej se ?vizita e Ojdaniqit tregon nj?
kalkulim t? sudiuar (mir? nga Rusia) p?r mosp?rfilljen e Kombeve t?
Bashkuara, gjykat?s s? OKB-s? p?r krimet e luft?s n? Hag? ? dhe p?r at? q?
?sht? m? e r?nd?sishmja ? mosp?rfillje p?r moralin.?  Gazeta i krahason
veprimet e ?mysafirit? t? Mosk?s (Ojdaniqit) me grumbullimin e hebrait?ve t?
cil?t futeshin n?p?r trenat e bag?tive dhe d?rgoheshin n? kampet e
p?rq?ndrimit gjat? Hollokaustit.
   ?Mik?pritja q? i b?ri Moska Ojdaniqit ? mosperfillja e normave t?
p?rgjithshme morale ? t? p?rkujton dit?t kur (Moska) p?rkrahte organizatat
terroriste.  At?bot?, Bashkimii Sovjetik i kishte duart plot gjak. Tani
Rusia cartas po e injoron gjakun q? t? tjer?t kan? n? duart e tyre? duke
bashk?punuar me ta.
   Shtetet e Bashkuara, thot? kjo gazet?, jan? tejet t? shqet?suera p?r
veprimet e Putinit, por n? vend q? t? protestojn? publikisht kan? vendosur
q? ta b?jn? k?t? n? m?nyr? private kur Medllin Albrajt t? takohet me
homologun rus Igor Ivanovin dhe kur Presidenti Klinton t? takohet me vet
Putinin n? konferenc?n e muajit t? ardhsh?m.
   Kritik?t thon? se jan? disa arsye pse administrata amerikane po tregohet
e kujdesshme p?r t? mos e kritikuar m? ashp?r ( s? paku publikisht) Rusin?
p?r marr?dh?njet e saja me qeverin? n? Beograd.  Nj? nd?r arsyet ?sht? sepse
Uoshingtoni nuk do t? d?shironte q? Moska ?t? cmendej? po q? se Amerika
vendos q? ta realizoj planin e saj p?r mbrojtjen nga raketat ballistike, nj?
sistem q? do t? mund?sonte q? territori i Amerik?s t? b?h?t i papreksh?m nga
armiqt e jasht?m.  Arsyeja tjet?r ?sht? sepse administrata amerikane ka
nevoj? q? ta arsyetoi mb?shtetjen q? i ka dh?n? deri tash Rusis?, p?rkund?r
protestave t? disave n? Kongres ndaj nj? trajtimi t? till?.  Dhe n? fund,
Uashinngtoni ende po e peshon karakterin e Putinit, p?r t? par? se a ?sht?
ai v?rtet? ?njeri i fjal?ve q? qet?sojn?, apo njeri i veprimeve alarmuese.?



From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed May 24 11:45:15 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 11:45:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje leter prej prishtine
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005241143380.3433-100000@alb-net.com>

qe edhe nje leter tjeter qe ma dergoi nje shok prej PR-se...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

Ketu eshte si ne filmin Wild Wild West . Tash eshte
merzi edhe me dale dikund se krejt Drenica , Krejt Llapi edhe krejt
katundaret dhe malesoret e Kosovws jane ne Prishtine . A e din si po i
thijne Prishtines tani ( Katundi me i madh ne Kosove). 
Nuk po e din kujt me iu friku sepose gjithkush ka revole ose
thike apo naj shrafciger etj, etj. Keshtu qe ma se miri eshte mos me
dale hic ose me dale me kerr por edhe me kerr eshte bere rrezik .Nje
dite njeri me gabimin e vet dul prej kerrit edhe nxurr dicka e per pak
kesh tu e hanger .
Nejse mos harro te me shkruash
Tung



From kosova at jps.net  Thu May 25 12:40:39 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:39 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_Ollbrajt_Evrop=EBs:__Kosova_=EBsht=EB_cel=EBsi_yt?=
 =?Windows-1252?Q?_k=EBrkon_shtimin_e_polic=EBve_nd=EBrkomb=EBtar?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFOEPPCOAA.kosova@jps.net>

Ollbrajt Evrop?s:  Kosova ?sht? cel?si yt
K?rkon shtimin e polic?ve nd?rkomb?tar

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 25 Maj)

Debati i ashp?r q? u zhvillua k?to dit? n? ?ashington p?r t?rheqjen e
forcave amerikane nga Kosova po q? se evropian?tr vazhdojn? me letargjin? e
tyre ndaj premtimeve t? dh?na, mund t? ket? patur efektin e vet n? planin
afatgjat?.  N? takimin ministror t? m?rkur?n n? Itali, Sekretarja amerikane
e shtetit Meddlin Ollbrajt insistoi q? Evropa duhet sa m? shpejt q? t?
nd?rroi shpejt?sin? e veprimit n? Kosov?, n? m?nyr? q? administrata e
Klintonit ta bind Kongresin p?r mbajtjen e trupave amerikane si pjes?
p?rb?rse e NATO-s.
     Si pik? e par?, tha ajo, ?sht? e domosdoshme q? t? plot?sohet numri i
polic?ve, num?r ky q? do t? duhej t? ishte 6,000, nd?rsa tani nuk ?sht? as
3,000.
   ?Po iu lus q? t? b?ni at? q? ?sht? e mundur q? t?i mbani premtimet (p?r
Kosov?n) n? m?nyr? q? t? plot?sohen shpraz?tirat e krijuara,? u tha Ollbrajt
ministrave t? NATO-s.  Ajo u tha disave se shtetet e tyre kishin kishin b?r?
pun? t? mir? n? dh?nj?n e ndihmave t? premtuara p?r Kosov?n, por, shtoi ajo,
kjo nuk mjaftonte.
   E vet?dijshme p?r q?ndrimet her?-her? t? ashpra t? disa ligj?v?nsve
amerikan? ndaj politik?s evropiane n? Kosov?, Ollbrajt
premtoi se Shtetet e Bashkuara do t? ofronin nj? pako propozimesh q? do t?
nihmonin n? bashk?punimin m? t? af?rt midis Uashingtonit dhe kryeqyteteve
evropiane n? l?min e mbrojtjes.  Nj?ra nd?r propozimet e SHBA-ve do t? jet?
krijimi i nj? tregu t? p?rbashk?t n? l?min e mbrojtjes midis Amerik?s dhe
disa nga aleat?t m? t? besuesh?m t? saj n? Evrop? me nj? ?mur? m? t? fort?
ndaj rrjedhjeve teknologjike p?r shtetet jasht tregut.?  P?r ta realizuar
nj? treg t? till?, Shtetet e Bashkuara do t?ju mund?sojn? aleat?ve marrjen e
lejes p?r blerjen e arm?ve amerikane n? kushte m? t? volitshme.
    Ajo i siguroj aleat?t evropian? se sistemi amerikan i mbrojtjes nga
raketat ballistike (umbrell? e cila do ta mbronte Amerik?n nga cdo sulm nga
jasht?) nuk do t? thoshte se Uashingtoni do t? zvog?lonte bashk?punimin me
aleat?t evropian?.  Udh?heq?sit evropian? kan? shprehur shqet?sim se nj?
sistem i till? amerikan do ta hidh?ronte Rusin? dhe n? t? nj?jt?n koh? do ta
zvog?lonte p?rkushtimin e Amerik?s ndaj Evrop?s, e cila nuk besohet se do t?
p?rfshihej n?n umbrell?n mbrojt?se amerikane.  Mir?po zonja Ollbrajt e
p?rs?riti p?rkushtimin amerikan ndaj Evrop?s duke th?n? se pa marr? parasush
se a do t? realizohet plani i mbrojtjes apo jo, p?rkushtimi i Amerik?s ndaj
aleanc?s s? NATO-s dhe qytetar?ve t? saj nuk do t? ndryshoj?.
   Rusia dhe Amerika kan? n?nshkruar traktatin p?r mos nd?rtimin e nj?
sistemi t? till? qysh n? vitet ?70 dhe Rusia tash ?sht? k?rc?nuar se nuk do
ta zvog?loi armatimin b?rthamor drejtuar Evrop?s, po q? se Amerika e prish
traktatin.
   Por zyrtar?t amerikan jav?n e kaluar deklaruan se Uashingtoni ishte i
gatsh?m t? t?rhiqej nga traktati (i ashtuquajtur Start 2) po q? se rus?t nuk
pranojn? ndryshimet n? traktat dhe po q? se departmenti amerikan i mbrojtjes
vendos se nj? sistem i till? ?sht? i domosdosh?m p?r Amerik?n.
   Por zonja Ollbrajt u tha ministrave t? NATO-s se edhe ata duhej q? t?
angazhoheshin p?r bartjen e pesh?s s? tyre.  Si pik? e par?, insistoi ajo,
Kosova ishte problemi kyc q? duhej t? zgjidhej para se Evropa t? ishte nj?
kontinent i bashkuar dhe i fuqish?m.  Sipas saj, Kosova ishte test p?r
Evrop?n.  Ajo tha se problemi kryesor me t? cilin ballafaqohen aleat?t n?
Kosov? ishte "eliminimi i politik?s s? urrjetjes" midis shqiptar?ve dhe
serb?ve.  P?r t'ja arritur nj? q?llimi t? till?, sekretarja amerikane e
shtetet tha se ishte e domosdoshme q? NATO t? posedonte trupat e nevojshme
p?r ta kryer pun?n si duhet, nd?rsa n? rrafshin politik, sipas saj, duhej
mb?shtetur "ata persona q? besojn? n? nj? shoq?ri tolerante dhe
demokratike."

Moska k?rkon falje p?r afer?n Ojdanic

Gjat? takimit t? ministrave t? NATO-s n? Itali, p?rfaq?suesi rus k?rkoi
falje p?r mik?pritjen q? shteti i tij i kishte b?r? koh?ve t? fundit
ministrit serb t? mbrojt?s Dragoljub Ojdaniq. Shtetet e Bashkuara kan?
protestuar ashp?r (m? shum? privatisht) ndaj nj? vizite t? till?, nd?rsa
korit amerikan iu kan? bashkangjitur edhe shum? shtete evropiane dhe shtete
t? tjera an?tare t? Kombeve t? Bashkuara.
   Ministri i jasht?m rus, Igor Ivanov, u tha homolog?ve t? tij n? NATO se
vizita e Ojdaniqit ishte organizuar nga departmenti i mbrojtjes dhe se krahu
politik nuk kishte qen? n? dijeni p?r nj? vizit? t? till?.  Ai tha se ndaj
zyrtar?ve q? kan? b?r? ftes?n p?r t? akuzuarin serb p?r krime t? luft?s n?
Kosov?, do t? merreshin ?masa diciplinore?.
   Mir?po deklarata e Ivanovit se presidenti rus Vladimir Putin nuk kishte
qen? n? dijeni p?r vizit?n n? fjal? ka krijuar dyshime se ose rus?t nuk jan?
t? sinqert me partner?t nd?rkomb?tar, ose ushtria ruse ende ?sht? jasht
kontrollit t? krahut politik sikurse n? koh?n e ish presidentit Boris
Jelcin.  Dekraratat e minsitrit rus? t? m?rkur?n u ngjanin arsyetimeve t?
administrat?s s? Jelcinit me rastin e pushtimit rus (pa lejen e NATO-s) t?
aeroportit t? Prishtin?s kur forcate NATO-s po zbarkonin n? Kosov?.
Arsyetimet zyrtare n? at? koh? ishin se gjeneral?t rus kishin vepruar kok?
n? vete dhe se ky nuk ishte vendim i udh?heqjes politike.
   Sekretarja Ollbrajt nuk e fshehi shqet?simin amerikan rreth veprimeve t?
Mosk?s me Ojdaniqin, sidomos p?r faktin, sic tha ajo, se administrata e
Putinin i ka ngrohur marr?dh?njet me NATO-n pas fushat?s s? bombardimit
ajror kund?r Serbis? vitin e kaluar:
   ?Prandaj vizita e koh?ve t? fundit n? Mosk? nga minsitri I mbrojtes nga
Beogradi ?sht? v?shtir? t? kuprohen dhe ?sht? e pamundur t? pranohet.?



From kosova at jps.net  Thu May 25 12:40:42 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_Veprimet_e_Putinit_shqet=EBsuese_p=EBr_amerikan?=
 =?Windows-1252?Q?=EBt?=
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Veprimet e Putinit shqet?suese p?r amerikan?t

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 24 Maj)

M? p?rhapjen e lajmit se SHBA-t? dhe evropian?t do t?i koordinojn?
p?rpjekjet p?r mb?shtetjen m? t? fuqishme t? opozit?s serbe, Moska ka
filluar koordinimet e veta dhe ka ftuar opozit?n p?r bisedime reciproke.
Analist?t politik? spekulojn? se ftesa e opozitar?ve t? Millosheviqit p?r ta
vizituar Mosk?n me 29 maj mund t? ket? q?llim t? dyfisht.
   E para mund t? jet? orvatja e presidentit rus Vladimir Putin p?r t?i
zbutur kritikat e per?ndimit duke e siguruar at? se Moska nuk bashk?punon
vet?m me qeverin? e diktatorit serb, por edhe me opozit?n e tij p?r t? mir?n
e Serbis? dhe se po p?rpiqet q? t? promovoj? demokraci n? republik?n q?
vazhdimisht ka shkaktuar gjakderdhje dhe shkat?rrim gjat? dekad?s s? fundit.
   Kurse q?llimi tjet?r -- dhe i cili ?sht? edhe m? real -- ka t? b?j? m?
?k?shillat? q? do t?i jep Moska opozit?s p?r t? mos nxitur ndonj? luft?
civile brenda shtetit t? saj.  Disa analist? parashohin se me shtimin e
ndihm?s nga per?ndimi p?r opozit?n dhe vazhdim?sia e  Rusis? dhe Kin?s p?r
ta ndihmuar Millosheviqin mund t? shkaktoj? konflikt brenda Serbis? sepse
diktatori serb ?sht? i gatsh?m, mendojn? ata, q? t? vras edhe popullin e vet
p?r t? shp?tuar l?kur?n e tij.
   Mir?po fakti se v?llau i Millosheviqit q? ?sht? ambasador n? Rusi, nuk ka
shprehur shqet?sin p?r ftes?n e Mosk?s, tregon se vizita e opozit?s tek
aleati num?r nj? i Serbis? mund t? mos jet? k?rc?nuese p?r v?llaun e tij
pushtetar n? Beograd. Borisllav Millosheviqi ?sht? cituar n? agjencin? ruse
Interfaks t? ket? th?n? se ?Moska kurr nuk do t? angazhohej p?r rr?zimin e
qeveris? s? Beogradit.?
   Zyra e ministris? se jashtme serbe e quajti ftes?n p?r vizit? t? opozit?s
nj?  ?gj? private? dhe t? par?nd?sishme.  N? an?n tjet?r Beogradi m? t?
madhe po shp?rndan deklarata n? per?ndim p?r ?marr?dh?njet e mrekullueshme?
midis qeveris? serbe dhe qeverive t? Rusis? dhe asaj kineze.  Ministria
serbe lajm?roi se s? shpejti n? kryeqytetin serb do t? vij? p?r vizit?
kreytari i parlamentit kinez Li Peng (q? nga mbarimi i luft?s vjet, Kina i
ka dh?n? qindra miliona dollar? ndihm? Millosheviqit) dhe se Beogradi po
nd?rmerrte masa ligjore p?r t?  ?ndaluar aktivitetet terroriste? t?
opozit?s.
   Nd?rkoh? n? SHBA vazhdon t? shtohet indinjata rreth veprimeve t? Putinit
i cili jav?n e kaluar ishte nikoqir i nj? t? akuzuari p?r krime t? luft?s n?
Kosov?, gjenerali Dragolub Ojdaniq.  P?r Uashingtonin ishte gjithashtu
shqet?sues fakti se Rusia i dha qeveris? serbe nj? pako ndihmash prej 102
milion? dollar?sh plus 32 milion? n? form? karburantesh.  Veprimet e Mosk?s
jan? sulmuar ashp?r nga shtypi amerikan.  Dje n? faqet editoriale t? t?
p?rditshm?s ?The Washington Post? thuhej se ?vizita e Ojdaniqit tregon nj?
kalkulim t? sudiuar (mir? nga Rusia) p?r mosp?rfilljen e Kombeve t?
Bashkuara, gjykat?s s? OKB-s? p?r krimet e luft?s n? Hag? ? dhe p?r at? q?
?sht? m? e r?nd?sishmja ? mosp?rfillje p?r moralin.?  Gazeta i krahason
veprimet e ?mysafirit? t? Mosk?s (Ojdaniqit) me grumbullimin e hebrait?ve t?
cil?t futeshin n?p?r trenat e bag?tive dhe d?rgoheshin n? kampet e
p?rq?ndrimit gjat? Hollokaustit.
   ?Mik?pritja q? i b?ri Moska Ojdaniqit ? mosperfillja e normave t?
p?rgjithshme morale ? t? p?rkujton dit?t kur (Moska) p?rkrahte organizatat
terroriste.  At?bot?, Bashkimii Sovjetik i kishte duart plot gjak. Tani
Rusia cartas po e injoron gjakun q? t? tjer?t kan? n? duart e tyre? duke
bashk?punuar me ta.
   Shtetet e Bashkuara, thot? kjo gazet?, jan? tejet t? shqet?suera p?r
veprimet e Putinit, por n? vend q? t? protestojn? publikisht kan? vendosur
q? ta b?jn? k?t? n? m?nyr? private kur Medllin Albrajt t? takohet me
homologun rus Igor Ivanovin dhe kur Presidenti Klinton t? takohet me vet
Putinin n? konferenc?n e muajit t? ardhsh?m.
    Kritik?t thon? se jan? disa arsye pse administrata amerikane po tregohet
e kujdesshme p?r t? mos e kritikuar m? ashp?r ( s? paku publikisht) Rusin?
p?r marr?dh?njet e saja me qeverin? n? Beograd.  Nj? nd?r arsyet ?sht? sepse
Uoshingtoni nuk do t? d?shironte q? Moska ?t? cmendej? po q? se Amerika
vendos q? ta realizoj planin e saj p?r mbrojtjen nga raketat ballistike, nj?
sistem q? do t? mund?sonte q? territori i Amerik?s t? b?h?t i papreksh?m nga
armiqt e jasht?m.  Arsyeja tjet?r ?sht? sepse administrata amerikane ka
nevoj? q? ta arsyetoi mb?shtetjen q? i ka dh?n? deri tash Rusis?, p?rkund?r
protestave t? disave n? Kongres ndaj nj? trajtimi t? till?.  Dhe n? fund,
Uashinngtoni ende po e peshon karakterin e Putinit, p?r t? par? se a ?sht?
ai v?rtet? ?njeri i fjal?ve q? qet?sojn?, apo njeri i veprimeve alarmuese.?




From juniku at hotmail.com  Fri May 26 20:03:42 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:03:42 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
Message-ID: <20000527000342.72529.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "Mimoza Pumo" <mimozap at hotmail.com>
>To: bota-letrare at eGroups.com
>Subject: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:32:00 MDT
>
>FAN NOLI
>
>BERLIN 1926
>
>"SPICA"
>
>NGA KETO ZGHIDH E MERR
>
>1
>
>A te duhen luftetare
>Dhe arratine armiku te marre
>A do botes t'i vesh zjarr
>Merr nja dhjete kosovar?.
>
>
>2
>
>A do trima e sejmen?
>Kapardisur kudo ven?
>Gjumi pa i zene, mos flen?
>Per tre mirditor b?je ben?.
>
>
>3
>
>A do urt? njerezit te rrin?
>Ne komande te kesh ushtrin?
>Ne bidat te vesh njerezine
>Merr te gjithe laberin?.
>
>4
>
>Do per pune nje kor?ar
>I ke bujq e ustallar?
>Me gra bashke e hapin varr
>Krah e koke s'u ka te share.
>
>5
>
>A te duhen genjeshtar?
>Matrapaz e kokethar?
>R?r?n ta shesin per far?
>Merr krutan e je i lar?.
>
>6
>
>Po qeflinj, a te duhen
>Qe me jevgat dine te kruhen
>Zonjat qe u pjellin ?do vit
>Ve? Elbasani i rrit.
>
>
>7
>
>Me dy kembe do hajvan?
>Budallenj pa din? pa han?
>Ku ti flasesh dine te ven?
>Dil shetit gjithe Myzeqene.
>
>
>8
>
>A do te ruash florine
>Katandine dhe shtepine
>Me dy qofte mbush sinin?
>Ec e merr Gjirokastrine.
>
>
>9
>
>Do te hash te besh qejfe
>Sofren shtruar si per mbret
>Pastertar e per yzmet
>Te tille gjen vetem ne Permet.
>
>
>10
>
>Do ministra kolonjar
>Se mbahen burra me mend
>Duan kudo te jene te pare
>Ne magjis e ne kuvend.
>
>
>11
>
>Hall i madh per Skrapalline
>Ka rrezik te hash dhe dru
>Dy ministra le te rrine
>Se na duhen edhe pa tru.
>
>
>12
>
>O i gjore mos harrosh Vloren
>Se ky faj lahet me gjak
>Ve? sihanet dhe shiritat
>Kesaj pune i vene kapak.
>
>
>...................
>
>Pershendetje
>
>MP
>
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
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>
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>
>Kendi i mbikqyresve:
>Jemi ne pritje te shprehjes se kerkesave nga antaret per te marre pjese ne 
>grupin e kritikeve te Botes Letrare.
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From bbbelegu at hotmail.com  Sat May 27 06:23:44 2000
From: bbbelegu at hotmail.com (burim belegu)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:23:44 GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
Message-ID: <20000527102344.7609.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "Uk Lushi" <juniku at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:03:42 PDT
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>
>
>>From: "Mimoza Pumo" <mimozap at hotmail.com>
>>To: bota-letrare at eGroups.com
>>Subject: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:32:00 MDT
>>
>>FAN NOLI
>>
>>BERLIN 1926
>>
>>"SPICA"
>>
>>NGA KETO ZGHIDH E MERR
>>
>>1
>>
>>A te duhen luftetare
>>Dhe arratine armiku te marre
>>A do botes t'i vesh zjarr
>>Merr nja dhjete kosovar?.
>>
>>
>>2
>>
>>A do trima e sejmen?
>>Kapardisur kudo ven?
>>Gjumi pa i zene, mos flen?
>>Per tre mirditor b?je ben?.
>>
>>
>>3
>>
>>A do urt? njerezit te rrin?
>>Ne komande te kesh ushtrin?
>>Ne bidat te vesh njerezine
>>Merr te gjithe laberin?.
>>
>>4
>>
>>Do per pune nje kor?ar
>>I ke bujq e ustallar?
>>Me gra bashke e hapin varr
>>Krah e koke s'u ka te share.
>>
>>5
>>
>>A te duhen genjeshtar?
>>Matrapaz e kokethar?
>>R?r?n ta shesin per far?
>>Merr krutan e je i lar?.
>>
>>6
>>
>>Po qeflinj, a te duhen
>>Qe me jevgat dine te kruhen
>>Zonjat qe u pjellin ?do vit
>>Ve? Elbasani i rrit.
>>
>>
>>7
>>
>>Me dy kembe do hajvan?
>>Budallenj pa din? pa han?
>>Ku ti flasesh dine te ven?
>>Dil shetit gjithe Myzeqene.
>>
>>
>>8
>>
>>A do te ruash florine
>>Katandine dhe shtepine
>>Me dy qofte mbush sinin?
>>Ec e merr Gjirokastrine.
>>
>>
>>9
>>
>>Do te hash te besh qejfe
>>Sofren shtruar si per mbret
>>Pastertar e per yzmet
>>Te tille gjen vetem ne Permet.
>>
>>
>>10
>>
>>Do ministra kolonjar
>>Se mbahen burra me mend
>>Duan kudo te jene te pare
>>Ne magjis e ne kuvend.
>>
>>
>>11
>>
>>Hall i madh per Skrapalline
>>Ka rrezik te hash dhe dru
>>Dy ministra le te rrine
>>Se na duhen edhe pa tru.
>>
>>
>>12
>>
>>O i gjore mos harrosh Vloren
>>Se ky faj lahet me gjak
>>Ve? sihanet dhe shiritat
>>Kesaj pune i vene kapak.
>>
>>
>>...................
>>
>>Pershendetje
>>
>>MP
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Old school buds here:
>>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/16650/_/959369521/
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Kendi i mbikqyresve:
>>Jemi ne pritje te shprehjes se kerkesave nga antaret per te marre pjese ne 
>>grupin e kritikeve te Botes Letrare.
>>
>>
>
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From herbaltherapist at sympatico.ca  Sat May 27 23:55:38 2000
From: herbaltherapist at sympatico.ca (Raif Emini)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Prishtina-l] bashkpunimi
Message-ID: <393098BA.233E6C9C@sympatico.ca>

Ekipit administrativ - Prishtina-l,

Te nderuar zoterinj, te nderuara zonja,

Ne fillim ju falenderoj (koxha ju kam lodh - pa qellim) per
mireseardhje-bashkpunimi
qe me shprehet ne letren tuaj te fundit.
- Mendoj se njerezit ne tere boten si femij te vegjel jan te pasherr,
por duke u rrit
femiu edukohet nga prinderit dhe kur fillon te shkoj ne shkolle per tu
ber i dijshem
fillon edukimi nga shkolla...
Mendoj se ne shqiptaret gjithnji jemi edukuar nga prinderit tan qe mos
te urrejm popujt tjere pa marr parasysh.  Kjo eshte mir por mendoj se ne
duhet te dijm se
popujt qe mendojn vetem kec per neve(udheheqesit dhe perkrahesit e tyre)
se paku duhet ti dijm dhe kurr nuk duhet ti harrojm ne menyre qe te jemi
te gatshem qe mos te na damtojn ma, kurr.
Popujt qe na perkrahin neve ne rend te par SHBA-te duhet ti bindim edhe
me shume
qe ne me te vertet meritojme perkrahjen e tyre.
Kjo (mendoj keshtu) mund te behet nese nuk i perseritim gabimet e bera
perpara.
Kesaj radhe me kaq.
pershendetje dhe pune te mbar nga
Raifi



From AVuniqi at aol.com  Sun May 28 00:36:11 2000
From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:36:11 EDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Evolucioni
Message-ID: <ae.5a0a41e.2661fc3b@aol.com>

Interesat nacionale mbi ato partiake

Agim Vuniqi

Logjika e nd?rtimit apo rr?nimit...?!

    Inspiruesit e logjik?s s? rr?nimit e kan? shum? m? leht?  t? sajojn? 
strategjin? e rr?nimit se sa t? nd?rtimit meq? ajo ?sht? m? e leht? dhe 
gjejn? ndoshta edhe p?rkrahje te njer?zit e shtresave t? gj?ra ngase 
mund?sit? p?r p?rhapjen e nj? filozofie t? till? jan? t? panum?rta dhe kjo n? 
faz?n kritike mund t? shpie n? vet?shkatrrim dhe anarki, krijimin e 
rregullave pa mb?shtetje t? q?ndrueshme juridike, politike, por edhe 
logjike...!
    P?rpjekjet e treshit shqiptar n? KPA p?r t? vendosur rregull n? planin 
afatshkurt?r jan? t? pakoordinuara meq? iu mungon kooperativiteti paraprak 
dhe mbesin vet?m n? suaza t? deklarimeve pa nj? strategji t? p?rbashk?t. 
Kooperativiteti dhe puna ekipore ?sht? nj? nd?r ??shjet m? p?rbajt?sore t? 
zgjidhjes s? problemeve dhe konflikteve t? brend?shme, strategji afatgjate t? 
cil?n e aplikon SHBA -ja, tash s? fundit po gjen mb?shtetje n? vet sistemin 
shkollor (n? at? publik dhe privat), dhe at? me k?rkes? decidive t? kompanive 
t? m?dha dhe t? korporatave multinacionale, q? ?sht? e nd?rlidhur ngusht me 
ndarjen nd?rkomb?tare t? pun?s dhe procesin e globalizimit si projekt i 
ardhm?ris?. Prandaj zhvillimet e m?tejme politike por edhe ekonomike n? 
Kosov? do t? duhej t? mb?shteteshin n? vazhdimin e kontinuitetit t? 
institucioneve para shkatrrimit t? autonomis? s? Kosov?s t? p?rmbledhura nga 
kuvendar?t me Deklarat?n Kushtetuese t? 2 Korrikut e t? sforcuara me 
Kushtetut?n e Ka?anikut, t? institucioneve utopiste t? mb?shtetura kinse n? 
Kushtetut?n e Ka?anikut (pa kurr?far? p?rpjekje p?r ta zbatuar at?, por edhe 
duke shkelur n? t? - "p?r t? mir?n e Kosov?s dhe qytetar?ve t? saj" ) dhe t? 
institucioneve t? pas luft?s. T? gjitha k?to jan? n? l?kundje, ngaq? n? 
shumic?n e rasteve iu mungon vigjilenca dhe vendosm?ria p?r t? p?rmbushur 
objektivat e parap?rcaktuara dhe deklarimet para popullit p?r shtet?si, vet?m 
p?r t? mbetur n? sken?n politike. Shtrohet vet?m nj? pyetje ku ?sht? morali 
politik dhe shkalla e p?rgjegj?sis? p?r mashtrimin e popullit dhe a vlen 
institucioni i dor?heqjes p?r mosp?rmbushjen e detyrimeve para popullit?
    Logjika p?r nd?rtimin e shtetit ?sht? mbi at? partiake ngase pasqyron 
kultur?n politike n? nj?r?n an?, por edhe diciplin?n qytetare, n? an?n 
tjet?r, q? ?sht? paramet?r me r?nd?si dhe si shprehje e vullnetit politik por 
edhe vet?sakrific?s p?r rind?rtim. 
    Lufta solli shum? vuajtje dhe plag? t? pash?rueshme, por..., nxori n? 
sip?rfaqe edhe forc?n politike dhe ushtarake U?K-n? si aleate t? NATO-s, q? 
ka edhe t? drejt?n legjitime t'i g?zoi frytet e fitores. Por a ?sht? e t?ra 
kjo? Jo! Ngase logjika e rind?rtimit ?sht? m? e v?shtir?, dhe at? duhet ta 
p?rqafojn? t? gjith? pa p?rjashtim.
    Edhe pse situata e re imponon l?vizje t? matura politike-diplomatike p?r 
marrjen e vendimeve me r?nd?si, ato duhet t? pakt?n t? plot?sojn? kriteret s? 
paku minimale t?  demokratizimit t? brendsh?m q? do t? ishin shprehje e 
koncenzusit politik p?r marrjen e vendimeve q? do ta kishin fuqin? e ligjit 
(p?rrkoh?sisht) deri n? zgjedhjet e lira t? qytetar?ve t? Kosov?s, por t? 
definuara qart? me statusin politiko-juridik dhe territorial   
t? Kosov?s. F?rkimet me administrat?n civile t? OKB-s? nuk duhej t? ishin t? 
buta, prandaj detyr? prioritare e treshit (Tha?i, Qosja dhe Rugova) jan?:  
rregullimi i marrdh?nieve t? brend?shme politike, q? do t? thot? ndarje nga 
format imponimit t? mendimit politik nga lart posht?, por iniciativat t? 
rrjedhin nga qytetar?t, prandaj ?sht? i nevojsh?m edhe decentralizimi i 
pushtetit ku b?m?n m? t? madhe p?r zhvillim ekonomik do ta bart? qendra 
administrative ("County", sipas p?rvoj?s amerikane), me k?t? do t? 
eleminoheshin tendencat p?r krijimin e komunave t? reja pa marr?veshje 
paraprake t? qendr?s administrative dhe do t? eleminoheshin tendencat p?r 
krijimin e komunave t? m?vetsishme e q? m? von? do t? rrezikonin t?rsin? 
territoriale t? Kosov?s ( meq? nuk ?sht? i definuar ende statusi 
politiko-juridik i Kosov?s) duke insistuar n? "t? drejt?n" e shk?putjes me 
"referendum"-rasti i Zve?anit; pastaj vendosja e policis? lokale, duke ua 
imponuar zgjidhjet optimale (t? p?rshtatshme p?r shqiptar?t) administrator?ve 
civil t? KB-s? deri n? definimin e p?rhersh?m t? statusit politik t? Kosov?s, 
meq? t? derjt?n e udh?heqjes s? pushtetit lokal kan? t? drejt? ta imponojn? 
qytetar?t, pavar?sisht prej konturave t? rregullimit t? ardhsh?m politik.
    KPA-ja si institucion ?sht? d?shtimi m? i madh? politik i shqiptar?ve, 
meq? n? fakt ky ?sht? nj? organ konsultativ pa p?rmbajtje. Nuk jan? definuar 
??shtjet par?sore si prona dhe titullari i pron?s, nuk jan? p?rcaktuar 
kornizat e siguris? p?r qytetar?, nuk jan? definuar detyrat  konkrete dhe 
konkretizuar p?rgjegj?sit?, nuk ?sht? b?r? afatizimi i zgjidhjes s? 
problemeve etj. 
    Moskoordinimi i mjaftuesh?m i subjekteve ky?e politike lejoi t? krijohet 
hap?sira politike q? vras?tar?t t? barazohen me viktima (bile, bile edhe t? 
sigurohen nga trupat e KFOR-it). Nuk jan? definuar qart? detyrat e KFOR-it 
dhe administrator?ve civil? (meq? rendin dhe qet?sin e qytetar?ve do t? duhej 
ta sigunte policia nd?rkomb?tare e jo ushtar?t e KFOR-it), ngase duhet t? 
dihet qart? a ?sht? Kosova n?n administrimin ushtarak apo civil.    Esht? i 
papranuesh?m fakti i komunikimit me serb?, meq? ata n? asnj? rast nuk treguan 
vullnet t? mir?, bile as q? pranuan statusin e tash?m t? Kosov?s n?n 
administrimin civil t? OKB-s?. Faktori i pa konsoliduar shqiptar? nuk arriti 
bile s? paku ta ket? nj? marr?veshje paraprake me KFOR-in q? do t? ishte 
dokument me r?nd?si p?r t? ardhmen e Kosov?s.
    Rezultatet e nj? politike t? till? do t? jen? d?shtake me reperkusione t? 
m?dha n? t'ardhmen e Kosov?s, e cila kishte nj? status politiko-administrativ 
dhe territorial t? sanksionuar me Kushtetut?n e KSAK e t? definuar me 
Kushtetut?n e Ka?anikut t? ndar? territorialisht nga Serbia. Zhvillimet e 
tanishme politike jan? t? rrezikshme meq? Kosova po shnd?rrohet n? "Bashk?si 
t? komunave", prandaj edhe zgjedhjet lokale p?r pushtet lokal n?p?r komuna 
jan? t? pakuptimta, nd?rsa do t? fitonin n? p?rmbajtje po t? realizoheshin 
n?p?r qendra administrative (Prishtin?, Mitrovic?, Gjakov?, Ferizaj, Gjilan, 
Pej? dhe Prizren), e m? von? pas p?rcaktimit t? qart? t? kompetencave t? 
komunave t? mbaheshin edhe n? nivel lokal.



From AVuniqi at aol.com  Sun May 28 00:37:32 2000
From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 00:37:32 EDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Patriotizmi
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Qeverisje p?r pushtet apo per shtet?

Agim Vuniqi

??shtja e mir?qenies s? nj? populli dhe zhvillimet e brendshme politike 
shpeshher? jan? n? shp?rputhje t? plot?, meq? logjika politike n? t? shumt?n 
e rasteve ?sht? e ndar? nga d?shira, vullneti por edhe aspiratat e 
qytetar?ve. Proceset e dezintegrimit, nderrimet institucionale t? sistemit, 
ndryshimi i logjik?s s? t? menduarit, por edhe t? konceptit jet?sor jan? n? 
kufijt? e elasticitetit politik (vlimet e brendshme jan? ende n?n kontroll) 
p?r aq koh? sa do t? jet? aft?sia e qeverisjes, koh? pas kohe mund t? 
rrezikohen por edhe t? shp?rthejn? vrullsh?m (rasti i "demokracis? shqiptare" 
n? Shqip?ri) saq? mund t? rrezikojn? interesat nacionale dhe shtet?rore.
Zhvillimet e fundit politike n? Kosov? por edhe ato p?r KQZ n? Shqip?ri, si 
dhe ato rreth institucionalizimit t? Univerzitetit t? Tetov?s d?shmojn? p?r 
agresivitetin politik brenda shqiptar?ve dhe kalkulimet politike t? tyre: 
- p?r t? marr? pushtetin e paqen? (meq? nuk ?sht? definuar ende statusi 
politiko-administrativ dhe territorial i Kosov?s), me t? vetmin synim 
materializimin financiar e jo materializimin e vullnetit politik t? popullit,
- p?r t? zhvendosur institucionet nga parlamenti n? rrug?, duke mos pranuar 
dialogun, fuqin? e argumentit por edhe trasparenc?n si mjet civilizues p?r t? 
nd?rtuar institucionet shtet?rore stabile t? mb?shtetura nga elektorati por 
edhe populli, duke pranuar por edhe mb?shtetur nga t? gjith? pa p?rjashtim 
institucionet q? do t? dilnin nga vota e popullit;
- p?r t? fshehur mosefikasitetin politik subjektet politike shqiptare PPD dhe 
PDSH-ja (pa ndonj? pesh? t? ve?ant? politike t? koalicionit me partit? 
politike maqedonase, duke sh?rbyer si dekor i pluralizmit maqedonas) 
manipulojn? me elektoratin p?r q?llime t? caktuara politike-individuale, duke 
dashur q? t? personalizohen dhe politizohen institucionet shqiptare t? 
arsimit e jo t? mb?shteten ato kategorikisht n? baza konstitucionale ?far? 
jan? Univerzitetet maqedonase, apo edhe p?r t? nj?jtat t? vlej? i nj?jti 
kriter- t? privatizohen.
Koncepti shqiptar i qeverisjes ?sht? i mb?shtetur vet?m n? faktorin e jasht?m 
duke zhvler?suar t?rsisht organizimin e brendsh?m politik (konsultimet 
paraprake me grupacione tjera politike edhe pse minoritare n? t? shumt?n e 
rasteve edhe m? cil?sore) dhe shkon aq larg saq? jipen deklarata frustruese, 
t? pamatura dhe t? d?mshme, n? k?t? prin sidomos deri von? i vet?quajturi 
"president"- Rugova, i cili duke dashur t? arsyeton m?vet?sin? ekonomike t? 
Kosov?s para lexuesve t? Der Spiegelit sqaron se Kosova mund t? prodhoj? 
600.000 mij? ton? mis?r, logjika e till? e t? menduarit ?sht? e tejkaluar dhe 
i takon koh?s s? "Zadrugave" n? ex_Jugosllavin? popullore, meq? tani ?sht? 
koh? e globalizmit, ndarjes nd?rkomb?tare t? pun?s, burz?s, proceseve 
ekonomike integruese, kompanive multinacionale, holdingjeve etj., ?sht? koh? 
e k?rkes?s dhe ofert?s p?rmes internetit-ka shum? shtete q? nuk prodhojn? 
aspak mis?r  jan? ekonomikisht shum? t? zhvilluara. Deklaratat e tilla aspak 
dinjitoze por edhe t? d?mshme kalonin edhe n? "perverzitet 
politiko-religjioz" apo imponim t? "pornografis? demokratike" (fale NATO-s, 
Bashk?sis? nd?rkomb?tare, Zotit, shqiptar?t jan? t?lir???-fjalor t? cilin e 
p?rdori shefi i administrat?s s? tij n? televizionin privat "Era" n? Shkup 
gjat? nj? takimi q? pati me ministrin e pun?ve t? prendshme t? Maqedonis? e i 
p?rcjellur deri n? kufi nga DB-ja serbe, n? koh?n e masakrave m? t? m?dha mbi 
popullat?n shqiptare - q?llimi p?r tu strehuar sa m? rehatsh?m).,?far? 
mesazhi p?rmban kjo deklarat?, kujt i drejtohet ajo? Fundja kend e 
p?rfaq?sonte ai i cili deri von? thirrej me nofk?n "president", t? mb?shtetur 
nga elektorati, t? cilin e p?rbuzi duke mos e pyetur at? fare -"p?r t? mir?n 
e Kosov?s dhe qytetar?ve t? saj". Eshte i p?r?udsh?m fakti se n? fjalorin e 
tij politik fare pak p?rmenden shqiptar?t z?vend?sim kosovar?t fjalor tipik i 
" internacionalizmit proletar ", ku ?sht? p?rgj?gj?sia e tij "shtet?rore"  n? 
"kreatur?n e tij shtet?rore" p?r mosorganizim n? planin e brendsh?m duke 
krijuar sistemin e vetmashtrimit- se shqiptar?t jan? duke kryer? obligimin 
komb?tar me futjen e vot?s n? kuti (kot s? koti), apo dh?nien e 
"trep?rqindshit" duke nd?rtuar sistemin e but? mafioz p?r mbledhjen e tagrave 
(sipas Hillit), duke mos i dh?n? askujt p?rgjegj?si p?r asgj?.
    P?r k?t? m? s? miri d?shmoi koha, jo rast?sisht Wesly  Clark dekoroi 
ish-komandantin e p?rgjithsh?m t? U?K, tani komandant i TMK-s? , ngase n? 
koh?n e zbrazjes etnike t? Kosov?s, e vetmja forc? politike dhe ushtarake q? 
mbeti ishte U?K-ja, e cila krijoi parakushtet p?r instalimin e trupave 
paqeruajt?s t? KFOR-it dhe ruajti krenarin? e p?rbaltur t? shqiptar?ve. 
Jan? brengos?se faktet tek shqiptar?t se si interesat partiake jan? mbi ato 
shtet?rore, kjo ngase klasa politike nuk ?sht? e pavarur n? gjykimet 
politike, meq? nuk ka pavar?sin? ekonomike, prandaj ndodh? q? interesat e 
shtetit jan? t? nd?rlidhura me interesat privat?e, prandaj ?sht? e shpesht? 
edhe dukuria e grabitjes s? kapitalit popullor me metoda mafioze. Deri sa 
elektorati si n? Shqip?ri, ashtu edhe n? Kosov? ?sht? n? hamendje p?r shkaqe 
t? pasiguris? ekonomike nuk mund t? thuhet se ka elektorat stabil, meq? edhe 
ai udh?hiqet nga interesat e ngushta. Nuk mund t? flitet p?r ndonj? menagjmim 
t? suksessh?m financiar n? ?far?do fushe p?r shkaqe t? "biznis patriotizmit", 
por edhe t? asaj se ekonomia ?sht? e shkat?rruar plot?sisht, prandaj tash p?r 
tash biznisi m? profitabil ?sht? "patriotizmi", q? nd?rlidhet ngusht me 
th?nien e Konic?s se "shqiptar?t patriotizmin e kan? biznis". Si mund t? 
flitet p?r stabilitet politik por edhe realizim t? aspiratave shtet?rore kur 
shoqatat humanitare-religjioze diktojn? l?vizjet shoq?rore, prandaj k?to n? 
vazhdim?si kan? ndikim m? t? madh? se vet institucionet komb?tare, ngase ato 
ofrojn? "valut? konvertibile", q? pak a shum? zbusin mjerimin social-ekonomik 
dhe mbajn? situat?n n?n kontroll? t? moseskalimit t? dhunsh?m social, por n? 
an?n tjet?r pengojn? n? realizimin e aspiratave politike dhe shtet?rore 


From kosova at jps.net  Sun May 28 20:41:03 2000
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Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:41:03 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:Perkujtohen_gazetar=EBt_q=EB_ran=EB_n=EB_Sierra_Le?=
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Perkujtohen gazetar?t q? ran? n? Sierra Leone

Vrasja e gazetarit amerikan 'humbje e madhe p?r gazetarin?

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 26 Maj)
Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine

P?r vrasjen e gazetar?ve t? agjencive Asoshietit Pres dhe Rojters amerikanin
Kurt Shork dhe spanjollin Mihuel Gil Moreno shprehen ngush?llime shum?
udh?heq?s per?ndimor nga Presidenti Klinton deri te koleg?t e tyre me t?
cil?t ata kishin punuar.
    Dy k?ta gazetar? t? njohur u vran? n? nj? prit? n? Sierra Leone t?
merkur?n.  Gjat? k?tij incidenti t? r?nd? q? ka tronditur bot?n gazetareske
dhe at? politike, gjithashtu u l?nduan kat?r ushtar? t? ushtris? s? Sierra
Leone?s dhe dy gazetar? t? tjer? t? agjencis? Rojters, kamermani Mark
Qisholm dhe foto reporteri Janis Behrakis.  P?r sulmin jan? faj?suar rebel?t
e Sierra Len?s t? cil?t po luftojn? kund?r ushtir? s? k?tij vendi.
   T? gjith? k?ta gazetar? kan? mbuluar edhe ngjarjet n? Kosov?.  Sidomos
Shork ?sht? dalluar me raportet e tij plot? ngjyra, t? thella dhe sipas
vler?simit t? shumic?s q? kan? patur rastin t? lexojn? k?to raporte, t?
balancuara.
   "Jam shum? i m?rzitur sot," deklaroi Presidenti Klinton para gazetar?ve
n? Sht?pin? e Bardh?.  Ai tha se Shork ishte "njeri i mir? dhe n?se shikon
t? gjitha vendet prej nga ai ka raportuar, del se ai ishte trim.  Ai ka
shkuar n? shum? vende t? trazuara dhe t? rrezikshme..."
   Ishte Shork ai q? filloi i pari t? raportonte n? thell?si n? bot?
per?ndimore p?r Ushtrin? clirimtare t? Kosov?n nga mal?t dhe
vendp?rq?ndrimet e luft?tar?ve shqiptar? kur shumica ende v?nin n?
pik?pyetje ekzistenc?n e k?saj ushtrie.  Ai shpesh kthehej n? Uashington p?r
t'i informuar zyrtar?t p?r detajet e l?vizjes shqiptare dhe ishte b?r? z? i
besuesh?m edhe n? carqet gazetareske edhe n? ato diplomatike e politike n?
kryeqytetet per?ndimore.  N? konferenc?n s? paq?s n? Rambujem Shork ishte z?
i koshinec?s dhe dituris? p?r Kosov?n p?r gazetar?t e tjer? dhe diplomat?t.
   Vdekja e Shorkut dhe koleg?ve t? tij (me t? cil?t ai shpesh ka udh?tuar
edhe m? par? n? mbulimin e ngjarjeve n? Kroaci, Bosnj?, Kosov? e s? fundit
n? Sierra Leone) ka q?llim t? caktuar, sipas Sekretarit t? p?rgjithsh?m t?
Kombeve t? Bashkuara.
   "Ata ishin profesionist?, q? u p?rpoq?n p?r t? raportuar nga nj? luft? e
p?rgjakshme e cila veq ka marrur shum? jet?ra deri me tash," tha Anan p?rmes
nj? deklarate t? tij p?r shtyp.  "Ata po b?nin at? q? po b?jn? gazetar?t e
tjer? n?p?r bot? -- duke rrezikuar jet?n e tyre p?r t? na informuar neve t?
tjer?ve.  Porosia t? cil?n ata d?rguan nga Sierra Leone ishte se lufta ende
nuk ka pushuar."
  "K?ta gazetar? u vran? nga nj? grup rrugac?sh vras?s, t? cil?t me vite
q?llimisht kan? v?n? n? sh?njest?r gazetar?t e vendit dhe korrespondent?t e
huaj q? kan? mbuluar konfliktin e Sierra Leon?s," deklaroi Ann Kuper,
drejtoresha e Komitetit p?r mbrojtjen e gazetar?ve.  "Ka ardhur koha q?
rebel?t e Frontit t? Bashkuar Revolucionar dhe lideri i tyre Fodaj Sanko t?
japin p?rgjegj?si p?r sulmet e tyre vras?se, q?llimi i t? cilave ?sht?
eliminimi i raportimit t? pavarur n? njer?n nga konfliktet m? t? ashpra n?
bot?," tha Kuper.
   Sipas Komitetit p?r mbrojtjen e gazetar?ve 13 gazetar? jan? vrar? n?
Sierra Leone nga forcat rebele q? nga viti 1997.  Shumica ishin gazetar? t?
vendit, t? cil?t u vran? p?r m?nyr?n e raportimit t? tyre q? nuk u pelqente
rebel?ve.
   P?rkund?r marr?veshjes s? paq?s q? u n?nshkrua vitin e kaluar midis
rebel?ve dhe forcave pro-qeveritare, luftimet n? Sierra Leone vazhduan n?
fillim t? muajit maj kur luft?tar?t e Frontit t? Bashkuar Revolucionar
rr?mbyen 500 paq?ruajt?s t? Kombeve t? Bashkuara dhe pastaj sulmuan drejt
kryeqytetit Fritoun.  Q? nga at?her?, forcat qeveritare ngadal? kan? filluar
zbrapsjen e e rebel?ve nga kryeqyteti.
   Sipas nj? raporti q? u b? publik koh?ve t? fundit nga Komiteti p?r
mbrojtjen e gazetar?ve, tre vras?sit m? t? njohur t? gazetar?ve sot jan?
Fodej Sonka i Sierra Leon?s, Ajatollah Ali Komeini i Iranit dhe Sllobodan
Millosheviqi.
   Prap Ann Kuper:  "K?ta armiq t? shtypit p?rdorin metoda q? p?rfshijn?
tortur?n dhe vrasjen dhe metoda t? tjera p?r t? penguar publikimin e t?
v?rtet?s.  N? Jugosllavi dhe Iran, k?rc?nimet jan? aq t? ashpra  sa q? media
e pavarur ?sht? n? rrezik t? madh p?r t'u zhdukur n? nj? t? ardhme t?
af?rt."
   Gazetar?t shpesh vrit?n n? heshtje dhe p?r ta pak raportohet.  Por kur
vrit?n veteran? t? njohur si Shork, at?her? vrasja e gazetar?ve merr permasa
nd?rkomb?tare.
   Ric?rd Hollbruk, ambasadori amerikan n? Kombet e Bashkuara e quajti
Shorkun "nj?rin nga m? trimat, m? t? menqur dh? m? t? mir? q? kam punuar
ndonj?her? n? k?to 35 vjet?t e fundit."
   "Ai gati gjithmon? kishte t? drejt?.  Asnj?her? nuk anoi.  Ai ishte i
buz?qeshur pa marr? parasysh se sa e tmerrshme ishte situata.  Ai besonte se
gazetar?t ishin nj? forc? b?mir?sie n? bot? duke raportuar p?r t? v?rtet?n
sic e shihte ai.  Vdekja e tij ?sht? nj? humbje e madhe p?r gazetarin?," tha
Hollbruk.
   P?r Shorkun u cituan n? shtypin per?ndimor t? ken? komentuar qindra
gazetar?, diplomat? e politikan? duke p?rfshir? edhe Sekretar?n e amerikane
t? shtetin Medllin Ollbrajt, the Sekretari I NATO-s Xhorxh Robertson deri t?
Haris Silajxhiq I Bosnj?s dhe Hashim Thaci, t? gjith? me p?rkujtimet q? jan?
baza e matjes s? r4eputacionit t? nj? gazetari: paanshm?ria.
   Njeri nga koleg?t e gazetarit tjet?r fatkeq nga Spanja, 32-vjecarin
Moreno dhe mikun e tij amerikan, i p?rkujtoi n? k?t? m?nyr? n? t?
p?rditsh?mn El Pais:  "Vdekja gjithmon? i pret ata q? e shikojn? at? n? sy*I
vetmi ngush?llim p?r mua ?sht? kur mendoj se ata humb?n jet?n duke b?r?
pun?n q? ata e desh?n, detyr? q? ?sht? aq e keqkuptuar p?r shkak se paraqet
t? v?rtet?n q? pak kush d?shiron ta di."




From kosova at jps.net  Sun May 28 20:42:22 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:42:22 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:=91Lirohen=92_40_milion=EB_dollar=EB_p=EBr_Kosov?=
 =?Windows-1252?Q?=EBn?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFOEBICPAA.kosova@jps.net>


?Lirohen? 40 milion? dollar? p?r Kosov?n

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 27 Maj)

Sekretari i p?rgjithsh?m i Kombeve t? Bashkuara Kofi Anan, gjithmon? ?sht?
ankuar se bota per?ndimore po u kushton tep?r r?nd?si vendeve si Kosova dhe
Bosnia duke injoruar vendet problematike t? banuara kryesisht me zezak?, siq
?sht? p?r shembull Afrika e Jugut.
   I prir? nga kjo ndjenj?, thuhet se udh?heq?si i organizat?s m? t? madhe
bot?rore ka tentuar koh?ve t? fundit q? fondet e shteteve t? ndryshme t?
dh?na p?r Kosov?n, t?i ri-drejtoi kah Aftika dhe Timori Lindor.
   Mir?po disa n? Kongresin amerikan? nuk pajtohen me nj? politik? t? till?
t? udh?heq?sit t? OKB-s? prandaj kan? intervenuar n? ndaljen e fondeve
amerikane deri sa t? sqarohet situata se fondet e Kosov?s nuk do t?
p?rfundojn? n? ndonj? vend tjet?r.
   Nj?ri nga senator?t republikan t? shtetit  Nju Hampsh?r u takua k?t? jav?
me ambasadorin amerikan n? OKB, Ric?rd Hollbruk p?r ta diskutuar k?t?
c?shtje. P?r disa muaj rrjesht Senatori Xhad Greg i ka bllokuar n? Senat
rreth 260 million dollar? t? dedikuara p?r opracionet paq?ruajt?se n? Kosov?
nga frika se me to do t? manipulohej n? OKB.
   Mir?po pas takimit me amdabsadorin Hollbruk, senatori amerikan ?sht?
pajtuar q? ta liroi nj? pjes? t? fondeve n? fjal? -- nj? shum? prej 40
milion? dollar?sh -- pasi q? ?sht? siguruar se ato do t? p?rfundojn? n?
Kosov?.  An?tar?t e personelit t? Senatorit Xhad jan? cituar n? mjetet e
informimit amerikan t? ken? th?n? se Hollbruku e kishte bindur senatorin se
ishte tejet e r?nd?sishme t? zhbllokoheshin fondet dhe kishte dh?n? idet? t?
holl?sishme dhe  konstruktive.
   ?Ambasadori Hollbruk kishte disa ide produktive p?r zgjedhjen e situat?s
(n? Kosov?) dhe ?sht? angazhuar p?r jet?simin e propozimeve (t? tij),? u
citua t? ket? th?n? sekretari i shtypit nga zyra e senatorit Xhad.
   Senatori Xhad ?sht? sidomos kund?r financimit t? misionit n? Sierra
Lione, ku Shtetet e Bashkuara dhe Britania e kan? mb?shtetur marr?veshjen
p?r paqe vitin e kaluar, marr?veshje kjo e cila i mund?soi udh?heq?sit t?
rebel?ve, Fodaj Sanko q? t? merrte pjes? n? qeveri si i barabart.  Mir?po
Sanko dhe njer?zit e tij nuk i jan? p?rmbajtur marr?veshjes dhe jan? akuzuar
se qysh at?her? kan? vrar? qindra civil?. Njer?zit e Sankos gjithashtu jan?
akuzuar p?r vrasjen e dy gazetar?ve t? huaj n? fillim t? jav?s ?
korrespondentin veteran t? luft?s nga Uashingtoni Kurt Shork dhe spanjollin
Miguel Moreno.  Mir?po vet Sonka u kap me dat?n 17 maj nga forcat e qeveris?
s? Sierra Leon?s, t? cil?t kan? deklaruar se s? shpejti do ta njerrin para
gjyqit liderin rebel.  Kurse Shtetet e Bashkuara tash kan? dh?n? shenja se
do t? marrin q?ndrim m? t? ashp?r ndaj l?vizjes s? Sankos sidomos pas
rr?mbimit n? fillim t? muajit t? m? se 500 paq?ruajt?ve t? OKB-s? dhe
mbajtjes s? tyre peng mbi dy jav?.
   Mir?po p?rkund?r thyerjes s? marr?veshjes dhe rr?mbimit t? paq?ruajt?sve
t? tij, Sekretari Anan deklaroi t? enjt?n n? Uashoington se ndalimi i
fondeve nga ?nj? senator i vet?m nuk e ndihmonte situat?n.?   Deklarata e
tij jep shenja se shumica nga fondet q? i kishte bllokuar Xhad dhe q? ishin
t? sh?njuara p?r Kosov?n do t? p?rfundonin n? Sierra Leone.  Anan u duk aq i
zemruar n? senatorin amerikan sa q? e provokoi at? q? ?n?se nuk t? pelqen
plani yn? i paq?s, at?here mund ta b?sh vet.?
  Mir?po shum?n tjet?r t? mbetur prej 223 milion? dollar?sh tash po e
bllokon kongresisiti republikan nga shteti Kentaki, Herold Rogjers, kryetar
i n?nkomitetit t? rregullimeve n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?sues?ve.  Ai ka ngul k?mb?
se nuk do t? zhbllokoi fondet n? fjal? deri sa qeveria amerikane t? mos i
paraqes atij nj? list? q? tregon se ku kan? shkuar fondet e deritashme dhe
ta sigurojn? at? se fondet e Kosov?s nuk do t? p?rdor?shin p?r misione t?
tjera n? bot?.
   Nj? an?tar i p?rsonelit t? zyr?s s? Rogjers ?sht? cituar t? jet?
arsyetuar k?shtu p?r veprimet e kongresistit:  ?Kryetri ?sht? i shqet?suar
sepse si duket ekziston nj? strategji (n? OKB) t? plackitjes s? Hysenit p?r
t?i dh?n? Hasanit.?




From kollsex at hotmail.com  Mon May 29 16:38:29 2000
From: kollsex at hotmail.com (leonora Kolloni)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:38:29 CEST
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
Message-ID: <20000529143829.18629.qmail@hotmail.com>

i liked it. thanks


>From: "Uk Lushi" <juniku at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:03:42 PDT
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>
>
>>From: "Mimoza Pumo" <mimozap at hotmail.com>
>>To: bota-letrare at eGroups.com
>>Subject: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:32:00 MDT
>>
>>FAN NOLI
>>
>>BERLIN 1926
>>
>>"SPICA"
>>
>>NGA KETO ZGHIDH E MERR
>>
>>1
>>
>>A te duhen luftetare
>>Dhe arratine armiku te marre
>>A do botes t'i vesh zjarr
>>Merr nja dhjete kosovar?.
>>
>>
>>2
>>
>>A do trima e sejmen?
>>Kapardisur kudo ven?
>>Gjumi pa i zene, mos flen?
>>Per tre mirditor b?je ben?.
>>
>>
>>3
>>
>>A do urt? njerezit te rrin?
>>Ne komande te kesh ushtrin?
>>Ne bidat te vesh njerezine
>>Merr te gjithe laberin?.
>>
>>4
>>
>>Do per pune nje kor?ar
>>I ke bujq e ustallar?
>>Me gra bashke e hapin varr
>>Krah e koke s'u ka te share.
>>
>>5
>>
>>A te duhen genjeshtar?
>>Matrapaz e kokethar?
>>R?r?n ta shesin per far?
>>Merr krutan e je i lar?.
>>
>>6
>>
>>Po qeflinj, a te duhen
>>Qe me jevgat dine te kruhen
>>Zonjat qe u pjellin ?do vit
>>Ve? Elbasani i rrit.
>>
>>
>>7
>>
>>Me dy kembe do hajvan?
>>Budallenj pa din? pa han?
>>Ku ti flasesh dine te ven?
>>Dil shetit gjithe Myzeqene.
>>
>>
>>8
>>
>>A do te ruash florine
>>Katandine dhe shtepine
>>Me dy qofte mbush sinin?
>>Ec e merr Gjirokastrine.
>>
>>
>>9
>>
>>Do te hash te besh qejfe
>>Sofren shtruar si per mbret
>>Pastertar e per yzmet
>>Te tille gjen vetem ne Permet.
>>
>>
>>10
>>
>>Do ministra kolonjar
>>Se mbahen burra me mend
>>Duan kudo te jene te pare
>>Ne magjis e ne kuvend.
>>
>>
>>11
>>
>>Hall i madh per Skrapalline
>>Ka rrezik te hash dhe dru
>>Dy ministra le te rrine
>>Se na duhen edhe pa tru.
>>
>>
>>12
>>
>>O i gjore mos harrosh Vloren
>>Se ky faj lahet me gjak
>>Ve? sihanet dhe shiritat
>>Kesaj pune i vene kapak.
>>
>>
>>...................
>>
>>Pershendetje
>>
>>MP
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Old school buds here:
>>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/16650/_/959369521/
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Kendi i mbikqyresve:
>>Jemi ne pritje te shprehjes se kerkesave nga antaret per te marre pjese ne 
>>grupin e kritikeve te Botes Letrare.
>>
>>
>
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Mon May 29 14:05:55 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:05:55 -0400
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: DONATOR=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CB?=T
Message-ID: <200005291405.AA54526266@prishtina.com>

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Armend Zeqiraj" <armendz at hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:15:08 PDT

Te nderuar miqe,

I prekur thelle ne situaten qe ndodhem desha se pari te ju falenderoj qe 
jeni duke e lexuar kete email. Ne mungese te mjeteve financiare dhe 
mundesive per sherim ne Kosove xhaxhait tim Avdyl Zeqiraj dita dites po i 
keqesohet gjendja shendetetsore drejt nje vdekje te sigurt.

Xhaxhai im vuan nga nje semundje e quajtur Hodgkins Diesease (Hogjkins 
diziz) e cila ben pjese ne semundjet kancerogjene, fatmiresisht ne perendim 
kudo ne Europe dhe ne USA eksziston mundesia e sherimit ku me metodat e reja 
perqindja e mundesise se shpetimit rritet dukshem duke arritur ne 97%, pra 
vetem ne disa raste nuk ka shpetim.

Krejt kjo do te ishte e vertet edhe me Sptialin e Prishtines po te 
ekzistonin metodat e zbulimit te sakte te stadiumit te semundjes dhe 
terapite e duhura bashkekohore. Po ju tregoj se stadiumi i semundjes ne 
Prishtine ka dalluar me hulumtinim e njejte ne Shkup ku edhe me terapine e 
Shkupit iu ka permiresuar gjendja dukshem, terapite e metutjeshme kane qene 
te pasuksesshme, PRANDAJ E LUS.

Cdo person i cili ka mundesi qofte informative, financiare, dhe qafredo 
tjeter te me ndihmoje qe te shpetojme jeten e nje njeriu, nje burri i cili 
ka familje grua dhe femije.

Sipas njohurive te mija dhe infrmatave qe kam marre ekzistojne organizata ne 
Europe dhe USA qe kane donacione dhe DONATORE qe japin donacione per 
sherimin e semundjeve te tilla, ju kisha lut gjithesecilit qe ka mundesi te 
me informoje apo te me veje ne kontakt me organizata dhe njerez te till? qe 
te bejme dicka qe xhaxhai im te marre terapine e duhur dhe te sherohet sa ma 
shpejt sa nuk eshte bere vone. Mundesia me e mire dhe me siguri me e 
skuksesshmje do te ishte qe xhaxhai im te marr sherimin ne Europe apo edhe 
USA.

Ju falenderoj per cfaredo informate dhe per mir?kuptimin qe keni mundur te 
tregoni qofte edhe duke e lexuar kete email.

Me zemer te thyer
ju pershendet

Armend Zeqiraj, Prishtine




From mire038 at hotmail.com  Mon May 29 18:14:33 2000
From: mire038 at hotmail.com (Mirvete Sekiraça)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:14:33 GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] pershendetje
Message-ID: <20000529221433.14012.qmail@hotmail.com>

  JU FALEMINDERIT SHUME...

>From: "leonora Kolloni" <kollsex at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:38:29 CEST
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>i liked it. thanks
>
>
>>From: "Uk Lushi" <juniku at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 17:03:42 PDT
>>
>>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>>
>>
>>
>>>From: "Mimoza Pumo" <mimozap at hotmail.com>
>>>To: bota-letrare at eGroups.com
>>>Subject: [bota letrare] "Spica"
>>>Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:32:00 MDT
>>>
>>>FAN NOLI
>>>
>>>BERLIN 1926
>>>
>>>"SPICA"
>>>
>>>NGA KETO ZGHIDH E MERR
>>>
>>>1
>>>
>>>A te duhen luftetare
>>>Dhe arratine armiku te marre
>>>A do botes t'i vesh zjarr
>>>Merr nja dhjete kosovar?.
>>>
>>>
>>>2
>>>
>>>A do trima e sejmen?
>>>Kapardisur kudo ven?
>>>Gjumi pa i zene, mos flen?
>>>Per tre mirditor b?je ben?.
>>>
>>>
>>>3
>>>
>>>A do urt? njerezit te rrin?
>>>Ne komande te kesh ushtrin?
>>>Ne bidat te vesh njerezine
>>>Merr te gjithe laberin?.
>>>
>>>4
>>>
>>>Do per pune nje kor?ar
>>>I ke bujq e ustallar?
>>>Me gra bashke e hapin varr
>>>Krah e koke s'u ka te share.
>>>
>>>5
>>>
>>>A te duhen genjeshtar?
>>>Matrapaz e kokethar?
>>>R?r?n ta shesin per far?
>>>Merr krutan e je i lar?.
>>>
>>>6
>>>
>>>Po qeflinj, a te duhen
>>>Qe me jevgat dine te kruhen
>>>Zonjat qe u pjellin ?do vit
>>>Ve? Elbasani i rrit.
>>>
>>>
>>>7
>>>
>>>Me dy kembe do hajvan?
>>>Budallenj pa din? pa han?
>>>Ku ti flasesh dine te ven?
>>>Dil shetit gjithe Myzeqene.
>>>
>>>
>>>8
>>>
>>>A do te ruash florine
>>>Katandine dhe shtepine
>>>Me dy qofte mbush sinin?
>>>Ec e merr Gjirokastrine.
>>>
>>>
>>>9
>>>
>>>Do te hash te besh qejfe
>>>Sofren shtruar si per mbret
>>>Pastertar e per yzmet
>>>Te tille gjen vetem ne Permet.
>>>
>>>
>>>10
>>>
>>>Do ministra kolonjar
>>>Se mbahen burra me mend
>>>Duan kudo te jene te pare
>>>Ne magjis e ne kuvend.
>>>
>>>
>>>11
>>>
>>>Hall i madh per Skrapalline
>>>Ka rrezik te hash dhe dru
>>>Dy ministra le te rrine
>>>Se na duhen edhe pa tru.
>>>
>>>
>>>12
>>>
>>>O i gjore mos harrosh Vloren
>>>Se ky faj lahet me gjak
>>>Ve? sihanet dhe shiritat
>>>Kesaj pune i vene kapak.
>>>
>>>
>>>...................
>>>
>>>Pershendetje
>>>
>>>MP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________________________________________________
>>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Old school buds here:
>>>http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/9/_/16650/_/959369521/
>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>Kendi i mbikqyresve:
>>>Jemi ne pritje te shprehjes se kerkesave nga antaret per te marre pjese 
>>>ne grupin e kritikeve te Botes Letrare.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>________________________________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>>
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>>This list is for discussions in Albanian language only.
>>  For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list.
>
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From AVuniqi at aol.com  Mon May 29 18:42:30 2000
From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:42:30 EDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ide, drejtuar stafit drejtues te Prishtina.com-it dhe bashkatdhetareve
Message-ID: <5a.5cf3f35.26644c56@aol.com>

Pas nje bisede te sinqerte dhe konstruktive me disa bashkatdhetar permes 
internetit lindi ideja te cilen e dha Gjon Nikollaj  per themelimin e 
shoqates "Miqte e U?K-se" e cila do te kishte karakter human per te ndihmuar 
luftaret e U?K-se, familjet e deshmoreve, invalidet, bonjaket etj. Perveq te 
tjerave eshte menduar qe shoqata te regjistrohet prane institucioneve 
juridike amerikane, qe ndihmat te zyrtarizohen dhe qe donatoret te lirohen 
prej taksave, gjithashtu eshte menduar qe shoqata te ndihmoj femijte e ketyre 
familjeve gjate shkollimit me bursa, te ndihmohet ne aftesimin dhe trejnimin 
e tyre per pune, qe do te nenkuptonte rikualifikimin e tyre perfshire edhe 
ndihmen financiare per ekspertet qe do te aftesoheshin per te ndihmuar 
TMK-ne. Mendojme qe kjo ide eshte me interes te gjere, e qe karakter paresor 
do te kishte ndihmen financiare per aftesimin e kuadrove per ministrine e 
ardheshme te mbrojtjes. Shoqata nuk do te kete nuanca politike por do te kete 
karakter thellesisht humanitar dhe atdhetar.
Organ ekzekutiv i saj do te jete bordi drejtues, i cili do te votohej permes 
internetit, ku mendohet te perfshihen biznismen shqiptare, por edhe amerikan 
qe do te shprehnin  vullnetin e mire per te ndihmuar shoqaten, por edhe per 
te udheqequr me te. Anetaresimi do te jete ne baza vullnetare dhe nuk do te 
percaktohet vlera e mjeteve te deponuara, puna do te jete transparente dhe do 
te publikohet permes internetit. Anteraesimi dhe deponimi i mjeteve mund te 
behet edhe permes internetit ne xhirollogarin e caktuar qe do te themelohet, 
per kete do te kerkohet ndihme nga stafi drejtues i Prishtina.com, te cilet 
do te benin bilancin financiar ne menyre elektronike.

Ju pershendesin perzemersisht Gjon Nikollaj dhe Agim Vuniqi


From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon May 29 23:55:47 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:55:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Hej, qenkem bo kampiona...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0005292355230.17083-100000@alb-net.com>

"Kosova" kampione e "Kupks botkrore" nk futboll, qk mbahet nk Kanada

Toronto, 29 maj (QIK) - Nk kampionatin futbollistik "Kupa boterore", qk
mbahet pkr gdo vjet nk Toronto tk Kanadask, sivjet morkn pjesk 36 shtete,
si Brazili, Italia, Anglia, Franca, Holanda, Nigeria, Uruguaji, Kroacia,
Jugosllavia e vetkshpallur e tk tjera, njofton bashkkpunktori ynk nga
Toronto Agim Hadri.

Katkr prej kktyre ekipeve arritkn nk gjysmkfinale: Portugalia, Turqia,
Italia dhe Kosova. Nk gjysmkfinale "Kosova" e mundi "Turqink", me rezultat
4:3, kurse "Portugalia" e mundi "Italink" me rezultat 2:1.

Nk ndeshjen finale tk kktij kampionati "Kosova" u takua me
"Portugalink" dhe e mundi me rezultat 1:0, me golin qk e shknoi Gentian
Buzalli, nk minuten e fundit, i cili u shpall edhe lojtari mk i mirk i
kampionatit.

Kkshtu, nk njk konkurenck shumk tk fortk, "Kosova" e fitoi kupkn botkrore
dhe shpkrblimin prej 10 mijk dollarksh, qk ishte dedikuar pkr kampionin. 


 




From bleron at whoever.com  Tue May 30 08:45:20 2000
From: bleron at whoever.com (bleron limani)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:45:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: DONATOR=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CB?=T
Message-ID: <382067725.959690721015.JavaMail.root@web303-mc.mail.com>

s? pari t? tregoj se po m? vjen shum? keq p?r xhaxhain tend. T? kuptoj
plot?sisht se axha im ka vdekur nga nj? s?mundje e pash?rueshme.
ajo q? deshta t? them ?sht? q? t? provosh n? IOM n? Prishtin?. Nuk jam
sakt?sisht i informuar vet?m se e di se e kan? nj? program p?r raste t?
tilla.

P?rsh?ndetje

Bleroni

------Original Message------
From: "Dardan Blaku" <dardan at prishtina.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: May 29, 2000 6:05:55 PM GMT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: DONATOR=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=CB?=T


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---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Armend Zeqiraj" <armendz at hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 07:15:08 PDT

Te nderuar miqe,

I prekur thelle ne situaten qe ndodhem desha se pari te ju falenderoj qe
jeni duke e lexuar kete email. Ne mungese te mjeteve financiare dhe
mundesive per sherim ne Kosove xhaxhait tim Avdyl Zeqiraj dita dites po i
keqesohet gjendja shendetetsore drejt nje vdekje te sigurt.

Xhaxhai im vuan nga nje semundje e quajtur Hodgkins Diesease (Hogjkins
diziz) e cila ben pjese ne semundjet kancerogjene, fatmiresisht ne perendim
kudo ne Europe dhe ne USA eksziston mundesia e sherimit ku me metodat e reja
perqindja e mundesise se shpetimit rritet dukshem duke arritur ne 97%, pra
vetem ne disa raste nuk ka shpetim.

Krejt kjo do te ishte e vertet edhe me Sptialin e Prishtines po te
ekzistonin metodat e zbulimit te sakte te stadiumit te semundjes dhe
terapite e duhura bashkekohore. Po ju tregoj se stadiumi i semundjes ne
Prishtine ka dalluar me hulumtinim e njejte ne Shkup ku edhe me terapine e
Shkupit iu ka permiresuar gjendja dukshem, terapite e metutjeshme kane qene
te pasuksesshme, PRANDAJ E LUS.

Cdo person i cili ka mundesi qofte informative, financiare, dhe qafredo
tjeter te me ndihmoje qe te shpetojme jeten e nje njeriu, nje burri i cili
ka familje grua dhe femije.

Sipas njohurive te mija dhe infrmatave qe kam marre ekzistojne organizata ne
Europe dhe USA qe kane donacione dhe DONATORE qe japin donacione per
sherimin e semundjeve te tilla, ju kisha lut gjithesecilit qe ka mundesi te
me informoje apo te me veje ne kontakt me organizata dhe njerez te till? qe
te bejme dicka qe xhaxhai im te marre terapine e duhur dhe te sherohet sa ma
shpejt sa nuk eshte bere vone. Mundesia me e mire dhe me siguri me e
skuksesshmje do te ishte qe xhaxhai im te marr sherimin ne Europe apo edhe
USA.

Ju falenderoj per cfaredo informate dhe per mir?kuptimin qe keni mundur te
tregoni qofte edhe duke e lexuar kete email.

Me zemer te thyer
ju pershendet

Armend Zeqiraj, Prishtine


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From juniku at hotmail.com  Tue May 30 11:53:17 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 08:53:17 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ide, drejtuar stafit drejtues te Prishtina.com-it dhe
 bashkatdhetareve
Message-ID: <20000530155317.88734.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te dashur zoterinje Vuniqi dhe Nikollaj,

kjo eshte nje ide shume e mire- sidomos duke pasur parasysh faktin qe UCK-ja 
si kuptim abstrakt vazhdon te jete nje "legjende" per shume shqiptare dhe 
joshqiptare anembane botes. Ajo ende mbetet nje lloj i ndergjegjes (per disa 
e keqe trazuese e per disa e mire lehtesuese) ndersa gjithmone ka qene dhe 
vazhdon te jete nje realitet tranformues per Ballkanin si nje regjion 
parcial dhe mbare boten si nje teresi integrale.

Nese jeni te interesuar te bashkpunoni me Shoqaten Atlantiku e cila eshte 
Shoqata e Veteraneve te UCK-se nga SHBA atehere ose kontaktoni me mua ne 
juniku at hotmail.com, ose me kryetarin e Shoqates Arber Muriqi ne 
alonzos at bigplanet.com ose me Milot Bucajn ne milot_bucaj at hotmail.com.

Ky propozim i juaji vjen ne nje moment shume simbolik sic qe dita memoriale 
per ushtaret amerikane dje kur i tere kombi amerikan perulet para 
sakrificave te ushtareve te vet. Mendoj se edhe shqiptaret do te duhej te 
mesonim si ti respektojme ushtaret. Ne jemi nje pjese e trungut.


Te fala.

Uk Lushi


>From: AVuniqi at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ide, drejtuar stafit drejtues te Prishtina.com-it 
>dhe bashkatdhetareve
>Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:42:30 EDT
>
>              --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>         Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>Pas nje bisede te sinqerte dhe konstruktive me disa bashkatdhetar permes
>internetit lindi ideja te cilen e dha Gjon Nikollaj  per themelimin e
>shoqates "Miqte e U?K-se" e cila do te kishte karakter human per te 
>ndihmuar
>luftaret e U?K-se, familjet e deshmoreve, invalidet, bonjaket etj. Perveq 
>te
>tjerave eshte menduar qe shoqata te regjistrohet prane institucioneve
>juridike amerikane, qe ndihmat te zyrtarizohen dhe qe donatoret te lirohen
>prej taksave, gjithashtu eshte menduar qe shoqata te ndihmoj femijte e 
>ketyre
>familjeve gjate shkollimit me bursa, te ndihmohet ne aftesimin dhe 
>trejnimin
>e tyre per pune, qe do te nenkuptonte rikualifikimin e tyre perfshire edhe
>ndihmen financiare per ekspertet qe do te aftesoheshin per te ndihmuar
>TMK-ne. Mendojme qe kjo ide eshte me interes te gjere, e qe karakter 
>paresor
>do te kishte ndihmen financiare per aftesimin e kuadrove per ministrine e
>ardheshme te mbrojtjes. Shoqata nuk do te kete nuanca politike por do te 
>kete
>karakter thellesisht humanitar dhe atdhetar.
>Organ ekzekutiv i saj do te jete bordi drejtues, i cili do te votohej 
>permes
>internetit, ku mendohet te perfshihen biznismen shqiptare, por edhe 
>amerikan
>qe do te shprehnin  vullnetin e mire per te ndihmuar shoqaten, por edhe per
>te udheqequr me te. Anetaresimi do te jete ne baza vullnetare dhe nuk do te
>percaktohet vlera e mjeteve te deponuara, puna do te jete transparente dhe 
>do
>te publikohet permes internetit. Anteraesimi dhe deponimi i mjeteve mund te
>behet edhe permes internetit ne xhirollogarin e caktuar qe do te 
>themelohet,
>per kete do te kerkohet ndihme nga stafi drejtues i Prishtina.com, te cilet
>do te benin bilancin financiar ne menyre elektronike.
>
>Ju pershendesin perzemersisht Gjon Nikollaj dhe Agim Vuniqi
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From kosova at jps.net  Wed May 31 11:17:20 2000
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:20 -0700
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_Amerika_p=EBrkujton_t=EB_r=EBn=EBt_=96_8=2C100_en?=
 =?Windows-1252?Q?de_t=EB_zhdukur?=
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFKEGFCPAA.kosova@jps.net>

Amerika p?rkujton t? r?n?t ? 8,100 ende t? zhdukur

Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 31 Maj)
P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin?

Shqiptar?t e Kosov?s me plot t? drejt ankohen p?r mos angazhimin sa duhet t?
komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar p?r gjetjen e mij?ra shqiptar?ve t? humbur gjat?
luft?s vitin e kaluar.  P?r familjet e atyre q? ende nuk dihet se ku jan?
(edhe pse p?r shumic?n besohet se jan? t? vrar?) nj? vit ?sht? shum i gjat?.
    Shpresophet se shqiptar?t nuk do ta ken? fatin e keq q? t? presin  50
vjet p?r t? m?suar p?r fatin e t? dashur?ve t? tyre.  Po aq vite kan? pritur
amerikan?t p?r kthimin e kufomave t? atyre q? kan? r?n? n? luft?n e Kores?.
Dhe ata vazhdojn?  t? presin p?r 8,100 ushtar?t ende n? list?n e ?t?
humbur?ve n? akcion.?  Q? nga viti 1996 kur Amerika p?r her? t? par? filloi
aksionin p?r t? humburit, vet?m 42 kufoma jan? gjetur deri me tash nga lufta
q? u zhvillua pes? dekada m? par?.
   T? h?n?n ishte ?dit? p?rkujtimore? p?r amerikan?t, dit? q? festrohet p?r
cdo vit.  Mir?po ky vit mund t? jet? m? shpres?dh?n?s p?r shkak se p?r her?
t? par? Shtetet e Bashkuara do ta rifillojn? k?rkimin e t? humbur?ve me
ndihm?n e autoriteteve koreane.  K?shtu paralajm?roi Presidenti Klinton
gjat? ceremonis? p?rkujtimore n? varrezat e kombn?tare n? Arlington.
   N? vitin e tij t? fundit n? postin e presidentit, presidenti amerikan u
zotua se do ta vazhdonte p?rpjekjen p?r t? gjetur ushtarur?t e humbur
amerikna?.  N? k?t? drejtim zyrtar?t amerikan? dhe korean? do t? takohen n?
Kuala Lumpur jav?n e ardhshme p?r t? diskutuar p?r vazhdimin e k?rkimeve
pasi q? ishin nd?rprer? vitin e kaluar kur Pentagoni refuzoi k?rkes?n e
Kores? Veriore p?r m? shum? ndihmn? humanitare po q? se d?shironte gjetjen e
t? humbur?ve.
   ?Shtetet e Bashkuara gjithmon? do t?i nderojn? dhe kurr? nuk do t?i
harrojn? heronjt e r?n? dhe ne nuk do t?ju kthejm? shpin?n familjeve t?
tyre,? tha Presidneti Klinton gjat? ceremonis? t? h?n?n.
   Mbi 100,000 ushtar? amerikan? kan? humbur jet?n n? luft?n e Kores? dhe
asaj t? Vietnamit.  Besohet se rreth 500 kufoma gjend?n n? nj? vend t?
Kores? Veriore t? quajtur Unsan, ku u zhvillua nj?ra nd?r betejat m? t?
rrepta midis focave amerikane dhe atyre kineze n? n?ntor t? vitit 1950.  Ky
vend do t? jet? pik?synim i k?rkues?ve amerikan? k?saj here t? cil?t pritet
se do t?i fillojn? gjurmimet kah fundi i k?tij viti.
    Gjenerali Kollin Pouell e p?rshkroi k?shtu misionin e atyre q? ran?:
?N? nj? an?, ata e shp?tuan nj? komb nga komunizmi, komb i cili tash ?sht?
shnd?rruar n? nj? demokraci t? v?rtet? dhe t? begatshme,? tha ish shefi i
shtat?madhjoris? amerikane duke iu referuar Kores?.  ?N? an?n tjet?r, ne e
humb?m luft?n dhe tirania fitoj?.?  Amerika i humbi q? t? dy k?to luft?ra
dhe trash?gimia e tyre edhe sot e k?saj dite v?rehet n? kujtimet e
amerikan?ve.  Kur ligj?v?n?sit dhe analit?t d?shirojn? t? kund?rshtojn?
d?rgimin e forcave amerikane jasht vendit, ata vazhdimisht i referohen
luft?s n? Vietnam ku Amerika thuhet se ka humbur mbi 55,000 ushtar?.
   N? or?n 3 pas dite, Presidenti Klinton k?rkoi nga popullin amerikan q? t?
mbanin nj? minut? heshtje n? shenj? nderimi p?r t? r?n?t dhe t? zhdukurit.
   N? varrezat p?rkujtimore ku Presidenti Klinton vuri nj? kuror? lulesh mbi
Varrin e Ushtarit t? Panjohur, presidenti tregoi p?r nj? ushtar? 20-vjecar
me emrin Xhon Kraulli, helikoptetri i t? cili ishte rr?zuar mbi Laos n?
vitin 1970.  Pas shum? vitesh, autoritetet amerikane e gjet?n vendin ku
kishte r?n? ky i ri.  T? premt?n q? kaloi, ai u varros me nderime n?
varrezat komb?tare n? Arlington jo shum? larg nga kryeqyteti amerikan.
   ?Amerikan?t asnj?her? nuk luftuan p?r perandori, p?r teritor, p?r
mbizot?rim, por shum?, shum? amerikan? dhan? jet?n p?r liri,? tha presidenti
amerikan gjat? ceremonis? n? varrezat komb?tare.




From AVuniqi at aol.com  Wed May 31 14:12:23 2000
From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:12:23 EDT
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Miqt=EB=20e=20U=C7K-s=EB?=
Message-ID: <6d.48138ed.2666b007@aol.com>

Uk Lushit, Arber Muriqit dhe Milot Bucajt, te gjithe bashkmendimtareve dhe 
stafit drejtues te Prishtina.com-it, 

Ideja per themelimin e shoqates eshte nje kontribut i qytetareve te rendomte 
per t'iu dalur ne ndihme mjerezve te jashtezakonshem qe ia kthyen krenarine 
shqiptareve, qe ishte e perbaltur  me vite te tera, atyre qe nderruan faqen e 
historise. Njeriu qe eshte  mesuar dhe i eshte adaptuar roberise me vite e ka 
shume veshtire t'i pershtatet jetes ne liri, meqe ajo kerkon shume me teper, 
kerkon pergjegjesi me te madhe, dicipline qytetare, veteinciative, por edhe 
sakrifice per rindertim. Pervoja amerikane na meson per dic te tille, e cila 
mbeshtet edhe sot ne levizjet voluntere, per te ndihmuar ata qe kane nevoje 
per ndihme. Motivi yne per formimin e nje shoqate te tille me karakter 
thellesisht human, nuk eshte qe te bejme dic me shume se te tjeret, eshte 
vetem nje perpjekje per te vazhhduar rrugen ne kushte paqe per ata qe ia 
dhuruan lirine dhe paqen shqiptareve. Do te angazhohemi dhe do te punojme ne 
ate drejtim qe te zyrtarizojme nje ide te tille, por jo edhe te udheheqim me 
shoqaten. Ate duhet ta bejne bashkmendimtaret-biznismene se bashku me 
luftaret e lirise te Batalionit "Atlantiku" tani shqata e veteraneve te UCK, 
duke perfshire studentet qe studjojne jasht, por edhe ata te stafit drejtues 
te Prishtina.com-it (te cilet ndoshta do ta bartin barren me te rende per 
realizimin e kesaj ideje). Lidhur me realizimin e kesaj ideje mund te 
kontaktoni me Dr. Mehdi Hyseni, studjues per maredhenie nderkombetare, ne 
e-mail Mehdi_Hyseni at hotmail.com, i cili gjindet ne Boston. 
Jemi mirenjohes per perkrahjen tuaj.
Agim Vuniqi dhe Gjon Nikollaj