From kosova at jps.net Sat Jul 1 13:23:46 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:23:46 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Thellohet lidhja Beograd-Bagdad kunder Uashingtonit Message-ID: Thellohet lidhja Beograd-Bagdad kunder Uashingtonit Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 1 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Marr?dh?njet midis Serbis? dhe Irakut n? fushat?n e tyre kund?r Shteteve t? Bashkuara u thelluan edhe p?r nj? shkall? t? enjt?n kur ministrat e k?tyre dy qeverive diktatoriale n?nshkruan marr?veshje p?r bashk?punim n? l?min e tregtis?, nd?rtimit dhe armatimit. N? n?ntor Beogradi dhe Bagdadi pat?n n?nshkruar nj? marr?veshje p?r tregtin? e naf?s kurse k?t? jav? t? dy kryeqytetet tash t? izoluara nga bota per?ndimore u mor?n vesh p?r shitblerjen e automjeteve Zastava q? tash Serbia ka filluar t?i riprodhoj? me kapacitet t? zvog?luar p?r shkak t? d?m?ve q? kan? shkaktuar bombardimet e NATO-s n? fabrikat ku prodhohen automjetet e k?tij lloji. Marr?dh?njet e Serbis? me Irakun n? l?min e ushtris? shqet?sojn? zyrtar?t per?ndimor? p?r shkak t? lidhjeve t? af?rta t? k?tyre dy shteteve me Rusin? dhe Kin?n. Si rezultat i k?tyre lidhjeve, efikasiteti i operacioneve ushtarake t? SHBA-s? dhe Anglis? p?r ta mbajtur n?n kontroll Irakun tash jan? rrezikuar. Kurse operacionet e NATO-s mbi Serbin? vjet gati sa nuk shkaktuan d?shtimin e fushat?s bombarduese p?r shkak se Beogradi posedonte raketa ruse t? tipit tok?-ajr (SAM). K?to raketa i detyruan aeroplan?t bombardues t? NATO-s t? ngrihen lart n? qiell duke rritur k?shtu shansat p?r bombardime aksidelntalisht t? popullat?s civile. Gazeta Uashington Times n? mars t? vitit 1999 pat cituar nj? zyrtar t? intelligjenc?s amerikane t? ket? th?n? se disa nga raketat tok?-aj?r t? Irakut kishin ?origjin? jugosllave? t? cilat mund t? kishin ardhur nga Rusia p?rmes Serbis?. Sipas nj? gazete izraelite, teknik?t serb? rregullisht b?nin mir?mbajtjen e aeroplan?ve luftarak MIG-21 dhe MIG-29. Sipas raporteve t? medias, Iraku dhe Serbia arrtit?n m? von? marr?veshjen q? Serbia t? ?kujdesej? p?r p?r mir?simin e sitemit t? mbrojtjes kund?rajrore t? Irakut, kurse Iraku si shk?mbim do ta furnizonte Beogradin me naft? dhe fonde t? nevojshme p?r vazhdimin e luft?s. Sipas raporteve t? medias amerikane q? citojn? burime anonime, thuhet se ishte e mundur q? serbet e kishin rr?zuar nj? aeroplan bombnardues amerikan t? tipit F-117 me raketat SAM sepse aeroplani kishte r?n? n?n 20,000 k?mb? (rreth 7 mij? metra), me crast serb?t e kishin par? dhe q?lluar aeroplanin n? fjal?. Gazeta Times of London pat raportuar me dat?n 7 tetor se Rusia, duke shkelur sanksionet kund?r Serbis? i kishte dh?n? Beogradit t? ashtuquajtrurit plumba me ngarkes?, siguresa dhe sensor? p?r t? mund?suar aktivizimin e raketave SA-6, q? jan? pjes? p?rb?r?se e sistemit raketor SAM. Marr?veshja e mbram? midis Beogradit dhe Bagdadit u b? n? t? nj?t?n dit? kur Sekretarja amerikane e shtetit Medllin Ollbrajt i b?ri thirrje Millosheviqit q? t? dor?zohet sa m? par? n? Hag? p?r t?u gjykuar bashk? me disa nga njer?zit e tij p?r krimet e luft?s q? ata kan? b?r? n? Kosov?. Ollbrajt i b?ri akuzat kund?r Millosheviqit si ?shkat?rrues i demokracis?? n? shtetin e tij nga konferenca n? Berlin t? enjt?n e kaluar. Denoncimeve t? zonj?s Ollbrajt kund?r Millosheviqit iu bashkangjit edhe homologu i saj gjerman Joshka Fisher I cili ishte nikoqir I udh?heq?sve serb? t? opozit?s. Deklaratat e zonj?s Ollbrajt dhe Fisher kishin gjithashtu q?llimin q? t?i kund?rshtonin raportet n? media koh?ve t? fundit se gjoja SHBA-t? mund t?i jepnin Millosheviqit imunitet po qe se ai zbret nga pozita e tij n? m?nyr? paq?sore. Millosheviqi, insistoi Ollbrajt ?duhet t? dor?zohet n? Hag? dhe t? gjykohet p?r krimet e luft?s p?r t? cilat ai ?sht? paditur.? T? gjith? zyrtar?t amerikan? deri me tash e kan? mohuar raportin q? doli jav?n e kaluar n? Nju Jork Times se ishte e mundur q? Millosheviqi t? fal?t. Nj? gj? t? till? nuk e besojn? as analist?t politik? as legjislator?t. I pyetur p?r mund?sin? e lirimit t? diktarit serb nga SHBA-t?, nj? burim i af?rt me zyr?n e ambasadorit Ric?rd Hollbruk n? OKB u p?rgjigj shkurt: ?Kurr?n e kurr?s.? Mir?po nj? analist amerikan p?r Ballkanin, edhe pse kritik ndaj politik?s s? administrat?s s? Klinotnit n? p?rgjith?si, tha se nj? veprim I till? I administrat?s do t? ishte vet?vras?s. Mir?po shpjegoi I njejti burim, ekzisotn mund?sia q? qeveria t? mbyll syt? derisa t? largohet Millosheviqi dhe pastaj t? reagon gjoja e befasuar. Kurse t? premt?n p?rvaq?suesi special i Kombeve t? Bashkuara n? Ballkan Karl Billt kategorikisht e mohoi se nj? marr?veshje e till? p?r lirimin e Millosheviqit ?sht? e mundur. Sipas tij, ?Millosheviqi nuk ?sht? budalla. Pyetja e par? e tij do t? ishte: Si do t? m? garantosh p?r k?t?? P?rgjigja do t? ishte negative dhe ai pastaj do t? thoshte mirupafshim.? Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From astritd at hotmail.com Sat Jul 1 13:45:03 2000 From: astritd at hotmail.com (astrit dobra) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 19:45:03 +0200 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000704065645.17509.qmail@hotmail.com> Jeta jone me serbet tani per tani eshte e pa realizueshme, meqense serbet kane formuar enklavat e tyre dhe as qe jane te interesuar per te bashkepunuar sepse e din se e kan humbur Kosoven pergjithmon dhe keshtu me keto manipulime dhe zhagitje tentojn ta ndalojn rregullimin e situates ne kosove dhe poashtu rregullimin e statusit te kosoves. Serbet e dine se vendet perendimore, per shkak te lidhjes serbe me rusine, po tentojn qe maksimalisht ta shfrytezojn per ta zhagitur zgjidhjen e ceshtjes shqiptare. Problemi kryesor tani per tani eshte Mitrovica, sepse dihet edhe pse ekzistojn dhe enklava tjera prapseprap fuqia e atyre enklavave eshte shume me e vogel e mitrovices sepse mitrovica eshte ne kufirin me Serbine dhe keshtu serbet do ta shfrytezojn kete mundesi te butesis Franceze dhe te kufirit te hapur per destabilizimin e vazhdueshem te kosoves. Une mund vetem te ceki se fitorja eshte e jone vetem se ne duhet te jemi me syqel dhe me politikan ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/ -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From kosova at jps.net Tue Jul 4 13:50:02 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:50:02 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_P=EBr_4_Korrikun=2C_Nju_Jorku_udh=EBheq_me_flamur?= =?Windows-1252?Q?in_e_fest=EBs?= Message-ID: P?r 4 Korrikun, Nju Jorku udh?heq me flamurin e fest?s Isuf Hajrizi (Nju Jork, 4 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Af?r 2,000 shqiptaro-amerikan? festuan 2 korrikun n? nj? park t? Nju Jorkut af?r lumit Hadson me qebap?, muzik?, vall?zim dhe lojra t? ndryshme sportive. Kur shqiptar?t e Amerik?s mblidh?n p?r k?t? fest? vjetore t? shpalljes s? pavar?sis? s? Kosov?s, amerikan?t zakonisht e marrin k?t? ceremoni t? shqiptar?ve si ngjarje festive p?r 4 Korrikun, dit?n e pavar?sis? s? Amerik?s. Por festa e shqiptar?ve n? Nju Jork sivjet nuk ishte ?lajmi i dit?s? n? k?t? qytet madh?shtor q? shpesh quhet kryeqyteti i bot?s. Nju Jorku sivjet mori mbi vete q? p?r fest?n e pavar?sis? amerikane t? vitit 2000 t? sh?nohet n? histori me organizimin e t? ashtuquajturit ?OpSail 2000? lundrim madh?shtor n? lumenjt? qe e rrethojn? k?t? ujdhedh? madheshtore. Rreth kat?r milion? nj?r?z ishin radhitur q? n? or?t e hershme t? paradit?s t? mart?n p?rgjat? brigjeve t? lumenj?ve q? ndajn? Manhatenin me provincat tjera t? Kuinist, Bruklinint dhe Staten Ajlendit. Presidenti Klinton lundroi heret n? m?ngjes mbi luftanij?n amerikane ?Hju Siti? n? lumin Hadson p?r t? p?rsh?nd?tur marinar?t prej 43 shteteve t? cil?t q?ndruan n? pozit? ?gaditu? nd?rsa parakaloi presidenti amerikan, n? k?t? rast n? rolin e kryekomandantit t? forcave amerikane dhe nikoqir i k?saj ngjarje historike. Lumenjt? Hadson (Hudson River) dhe ai Lindor (East River) dukeshin se do t? dilnin nga shtrati si shkak i pesh?s s? 130 anijeve gjigante, 50 anijeve luftarake dhe 60 mij? e m? tep?r barkave t? rendomta q? lundronin mbi val?t e k?tyre lumenj?ve q? shikuar nga lart mezi ku dukej uji. Anijet q? kishin ardhur nga e gjith? bota, duke filluar nga Polonia, Italia dhe Ukraina deri te Indonezia, Argjentina, Zelanda e Re dhe Japonia lundruan nga porti i Nju Jorkut p?rgjat? lumit Hadson n?n ur?n famoze Xhorxh Uashington Brixh para se t? ktheheshin p?r t? z?n? vend p?rgjat? brigjeve t? qytetit ku u hap?n p?r vizitor?t e shumt? kurreshtar?. Vizitor?t do t? kan? mund?si q? t? ngjit?n mbi k?to anije madh?shtore gjat? t?r? jav?s deri me dat?n 9 korrik, kur ato do t? lundrojn? drejt qytetit Boston, ku organizohet nj? ceremoni e ngjashme. Nju Jorku ?sht? i njohur p?r manifestimet e 4 Korrikut, mir?po k?saj here shp?rthimi i mbi 60 mij? fishekzjarr?ve (2,000 sosh p?r cdo minut) t? llojeve dhe ngjyrave t? ndryshme, sipas zyrtar?ve, sh?noi ekstravaganz?n m? t? madhe t? k?tij lloji n? histoprin? e njer?zimit. Nj? karakteristik? tjet?r e k?saj shfaqje uji ?sht? paraqitja e kopjes s? anij?s s? skllav?reve Amistad, sipas s? cil?s quhet edhe filmi m? t? njejtin em?r. Origjinali i k?saj anije q? peshon 136 tonelata ishte vendndodhja ku shop?rtheu nj? kryengritje e skllav?rve n? vitin 1839 nga e cila 53 zezak? skllav? fituan lirin? n? gjyqin suprem t? saja kohe. Siguria ?sht? n? kulm. Mbi qytetin e Nju Jorkut ?sht? vendosur nj? ?No-Fly-Zone? p?r t? cil?n (ngjash?m me qiellin e Irakut dhe t? Ko?ov?s) e mbrojn? helikopter?t luftarak q? mund t? q?ndrojn? pezull sipas nevoj?s me or? t? t?ra n? qiell, si dhe aeroplan?t e shpejt luftarak F-16. N? tok? qyteti ka angazhuar rreth 30,000 polic? dhe agjent? t? byros? federative t? hetimeve, FBI si dhe agjent? t? dogan?s kurse Garda Bregdetare amerikane ka angazhuar 2,500 patrullues mbi 200 barka q? do t? kontrollojn? ujrat. Kjo parad?, edhe pse m? e madhje n? historin? amerikane dhe padyshim n? at? bot?rore, ?sht? e pesta e llojit t? vet n? Amerik?. E para u organizua n? vitin 1964 nga Presidenti Xhon Kenedi me rastin e nj? afere treg?tare bot?rore q? u mbajt n? Nju Jork. Paradat tjera u mbajt?n n? vitin 1976, n? vitin 1986 p?r nder? t? 100-vjetorit t? Statuj?s s? Liris?, n? vitin 1992 p?r 500-vjetorin e udh?timit t? Kristofor Kolombos n?p?r bot?. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From preshev at yahoo.com Wed Jul 5 08:33:36 2000 From: preshev at yahoo.com (Armend Bilalli) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 05:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000705123336.7010.qmail@web1505.mail.yahoo.com> Astrit jam shume dakord me ty por do te doja te beja nje pyetje fare te shkurt ty apo anetareve te tjere te listes. Pse i lam te krijojne Serbet Enklavat e tyre???Kujt i interesoi Fuqizimi i ketyre lobeve serbe ne Kosove dhe pse nuk ekziston nje "kunder Lob" shqiptar po themi, qe te ndaloj serbet te fuqizohen ne kosove???Kush duhet t'i ndaloj? ne apo NATO?? Mendoj se jane dy pyetje shume te thjeshta te cilave mund t'i pergjigjet ?do Shqiptar por ama ketu ne liste, e jo...--- astrit dobra wrote:> Jeta jone me serbet tani per tani eshte e pa> realizueshme, meqense serbet kane formuar enklavat e> tyre dhe as qe jane te interesuar per te> bashkepunuar sepse e din se e kan humbur Kosoven> pergjithmon dhe keshtu me keto manipulime dhe> zhagitje tentojn ta ndalojn rregullimin e situates> ne kosove dhe poashtu rregullimin e statusit te> kosoves.> Serbet e dine se vendet perendimore, per shkak te> lidhjes serbe me rusine, po tentojn qe maksimalisht> ta shfrytezojn per ta zhagitur zgjidhjen e ceshtjes> shqiptare.> Problemi kryesor tani per tani eshte Mitrovica,> sepse dihet edhe pse ekzistojn dhe enklava tjera> prapseprap fuqia e atyre enklavave eshte shume me e> vogel e mitrovices sepse mitrovica eshte ne kufirin> me Serbine dhe keshtu serbet do ta shfrytezojn kete> mundesi te butesis Franceze dhe te kufirit te hapur> per destabilizimin e vazhdueshem te kosoves.> Une mund vetem te ceki se fitorja eshte e jone vetem> se ne duhet te jemi me syqel dhe me politikan > -----------------------------------------------------> Click here for Free Video!!> http://www.gohip.com/free_video/> > --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 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From etrit at alb-net.com Thu Jul 6 18:56:08 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina In-Reply-To: <385054105.962923191878.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Message-ID: tung edmond, faleminderit per pergjigje te shpejte... nese don dikush prej listes me u taku ne prishtine do te jem prej 12 korrikut deri me 9 gusht... shihemi, etriti. 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On Fri, 7 Jul 2000 antoni at journalist.com wrote: > tung etrit, > > un? nisem nes?r me makin?, t? diel?n jam n? pej?, diku nga e martja ose e m?rkurja ndoshta n? prishtin?. ku takohen rinia ma s? shumti? edhe si ia bajn? t? takohen njer?zit q? s'e njohim nj?ri-tjetrin? :) > > antoni > > > > tung edmond, > > > > faleminderit per pergjigje te shpejte... nese don dikush prej listes me > > u taku ne prishtine do te jem prej 12 korrikut deri me 9 gusht... > > > > shihemi, > > > > etriti. > > > From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Fri Jul 7 00:34:47 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 23:34:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > faleminderit per pergjigje te shpejte... nese don dikush prej listes > me u taku ne prishtine do te jem prej 12 korrikut deri me 9 gusht... and I will be in tirana from the 9th of july to the 7th of august; From peshku_2000 at hotmail.com Fri Jul 7 03:37:19 2000 From: peshku_2000 at hotmail.com (vala peshku) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:37:19 GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: <20000707073719.66226.qmail@hotmail.com> Po shkon edhe dollari po me mire eshte te kesh marka. Jo nuk ka rrezik me marre taksi prej sllatines (sa eshte drite!!!) Vala >From: Etrit Bardhi >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >tung, > >a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me >marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper >rruge te "rrezikshme"? > >etriti. > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de Fri Jul 7 05:02:28 2000 From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de (grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:02:28 +0200 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: <200007070902.LAA14418@smtp.everymail.net> E a mund te thote dikush si eshte te udhetosh nga Airoporti i Shkupit per Prishtine. Une nuk pata fat si Etriti te gjej bilete per Prishtine. Aty duhe tte merret edhe nje vize tranzitore, a ka probleme me maqedon. E puna e taksive, me mire eshte te udhetohet gjer te kufiri e nga kufiri ne Prishtine apo me mire te mirret direkt nje taksi gjer ne Prishtine. Flmn paraprakishte per pergjigje eventuale Pershendetje Gezimi prishtina-l at alb-net.com wrote at Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:37:19 GMT: > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >Po shkon edhe dollari po me mire eshte te kesh marka. Jo nuk ka rrezik me >marre taksi prej sllatines (sa eshte drite!!!) > >Vala > >>From: Etrit Bardhi >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina >>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) >> >> --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- >> Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >>tung, >> >>a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me >>marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper >>rruge te "rrezikshme"? >> >>etriti. >> >>_______________________________________________________ >>This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. >> For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > -------------------------------------------------- everymail.net - :Ostry Gratis e-mail http://www.everymail.net From jashar.mehmeti at omik.org Fri Jul 7 05:09:19 2000 From: jashar.mehmeti at omik.org (jashar mehmeti) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:09:19 +0200 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina References: <200007070902.LAA14418@smtp.everymail.net> Message-ID: <39659E3F.DF2E2249@omik.org> gezim, kur te del prej aeroportit kan me te rrethu taksistat, e merr ni taksist shqiptar edhe vjen deri n'kufi. edhe aty masi qe e kalon kufinin ki me pas shum taksi (edhe nuk jon hiq shtrejt). sa per vize, ata e merr n'aeroport, edhe nuk osht problem (edhe pse maqedont jon shum pizda). tung grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de wrote: > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > E a mund te thote dikush si eshte te udhetosh nga Airoporti i Shkupit per > Prishtine. Une nuk pata fat si Etriti te gjej bilete per Prishtine. Aty > duhe tte merret edhe nje vize tranzitore, a ka probleme me maqedon. E puna > e taksive, me mire eshte te udhetohet gjer te kufiri e nga kufiri ne > Prishtine apo me mire te mirret direkt nje taksi gjer ne Prishtine. > > Flmn paraprakishte per pergjigje eventuale > > Pershendetje > Gezimi > > prishtina-l at alb-net.com wrote at > Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:37:19 GMT: > > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Po shkon edhe dollari po me mire eshte te kesh marka. Jo nuk ka rrezik me > >marre taksi prej sllatines (sa eshte drite!!!) > > > >Vala > > > >>From: Etrit Bardhi > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > >>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >> --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > >> Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >>tung, > >> > >>a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me > >>marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper > >>rruge te "rrezikshme"? > >> > >>etriti. > >> > >>_______________________________________________________ > >>This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > >> For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > everymail.net - :Ostry Gratis e-mail > http://www.everymail.net > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From gujda at hotmail.com Fri Jul 7 06:33:15 2000 From: gujda at hotmail.com (Shkumbin Hamiti) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 03:33:15 PDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: <20000707103315.2665.qmail@hotmail.com> Tung te gjitheve, Une nuk kam shume eksperience te mire me maqedon. Se pari, "aeroporti" is Shkupit eshte aeroporti me i poshter qe e kam pa. Kam prite me e kalu kufirin (ne aeroport) diku rreth 4 ore, ndersa per ta kaluar "kufirin" ne Han te Elezit, mund te ndodhe te presish deri ne 10-15 ore. Dhe natyrisht ata plehat maqedon i vjedhin Shqiptaret ku te munden. Une te rekomandoj Ty edhe te gjitheve, qe nese eshte e mundur, t'i ikni "aeroportit" te Shkupit. Momentalisht per Prishtine fluturojne dy vija te rregullta: Tyrolean prej Vjenes, dhe Adria prej Ljubljanes. E di se keto linja jane mjaft te ngarkuara, por mund te gjinden vende te lira, natyrisht bileta do te jete me shtrenjte. Por e vlen te paguhet pak me shume...se paku udheton si njeri... Te fala, Shkumbini >From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina >Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:02:28 +0200 > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >E a mund te thote dikush si eshte te udhetosh nga Airoporti i Shkupit per >Prishtine. Une nuk pata fat si Etriti te gjej bilete per Prishtine. Aty >duhe tte merret edhe nje vize tranzitore, a ka probleme me maqedon. E puna >e taksive, me mire eshte te udhetohet gjer te kufiri e nga kufiri ne >Prishtine apo me mire te mirret direkt nje taksi gjer ne Prishtine. > >Flmn paraprakishte per pergjigje eventuale > >Pershendetje >Gezimi > > >prishtina-l at alb-net.com wrote at >Fri, 07 Jul 2000 07:37:19 GMT: > > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Po shkon edhe dollari po me mire eshte te kesh marka. Jo nuk ka rrezik me > >marre taksi prej sllatines (sa eshte drite!!!) > > > >Vala > > > >>From: Etrit Bardhi > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > >>Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) > >> > >> --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > >> Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >>tung, > >> > >>a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik >me > >>marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper > >>rruge te "rrezikshme"? > >> > >>etriti. > >> > >>_______________________________________________________ > >>This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > >> For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________________ > >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > > > > > >-------------------------------------------------- > everymail.net - :Ostry Gratis e-mail > http://www.everymail.net >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From gujda at hotmail.com Fri Jul 7 06:38:04 2000 From: gujda at hotmail.com (Shkumbin Hamiti) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 03:38:04 PDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: <20000707103804.56922.qmail@hotmail.com> Tung Etrit, Ne Prishtine po shkojshin te gjitha valutat normale, veq a ki cash. Por me se miri eshte qe kur te mberrijsh ne ndonje aeroport ne Evrope, ti nderrojsh dollaret ne marka. Duke marre parasysh pozite e mire te dollarit ndaj Euros, sigurisht qe ma mire do te kalojsh. Rruge te mbare, Shkumbini P.S. Edhe une do te jem ne PR, prej 12 korrikut. Ndoshta takohemi dikund. >From: Etrit Bardhi >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina >Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:29:01 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >tung, > >a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me >marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper >rruge te "rrezikshme"? > >etriti. > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bleron at whoever.com Fri Jul 7 07:46:58 2000 From: bleron at whoever.com (bleron limani) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 07:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] Xhevdet Doda Message-ID: <385402240.962970418325.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com> per gjithe ata qe kane qene, jane dhe mendojne te jene ne "Xhevdet Dode" ju kisha lute ta shikoni websajtin oficial te saj. Ende nuk ka perfundu edhe nuk osht ku me dit se cka "fancy". veq prape se prape osht websajti i pare i ni shkolle te mesme te Kosoves ( sa e di une ) ashtu qe ia vlen per ta shikuar. perkohesisht eshte ne www.geocities.com/bleron edhe ju lutem komentet dergoni ne kete discussion list pasi qe e-maili i webmasterit nuk eshte i aktivizuar ende. flm bleroni ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From Kujtim5 at aol.com Fri Jul 7 09:53:20 2000 From: Kujtim5 at aol.com (Kujtim5 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:20 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: <6a.476b639.26973ad0@aol.com> Ti nuk kishe fat te merresh bilete per Prishtine, une nuk pata fat te marr bilete as per Shkup, mu desht te shkoj ne Sofje dhe nga atje Xhaxhai im do te me marre...Nuk di se si do te behet nga andej...Sa per Shkup mos ke dert disa shoke te mi kane shkuar nga andej nuk kane pasur probleme... Vizite te kendshme ne Kosove te gjithe juve. Kujtimi From RIMO1EI at aol.com Fri Jul 7 12:45:57 2000 From: RIMO1EI at aol.com (RIMO1EI at aol.com) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:45:57 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Soros Foundation... Message-ID: Tung... A e dini ku eshte zyra e Fondacionit Soros ne Prishtin? Faliminderit, Perparimi From iliriana at usa.net Fri Jul 7 14:23:25 2000 From: iliriana at usa.net (Iliriana Mushkolaj) Date: 7 Jul 00 14:23:25 EDT Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Soros Foundation...] Message-ID: <20000707182325.16441.qmail@nwcst287.netaddress.usa.net> Perparim, Adresa e Soros-it ne Prishtine eshte: Kosova Foundation for Open Society, Aktashi II,Banjalluka 38, Prishtine Tel: 389 70 255 357 Tel: 063 408 592 Kjo adrese eshte e postuar ne web sitein e "Kosova Foundation" ku perndryshe jane te postuara adresat e shumices se OJQ-ve, kombetare dhe nderkombetare, qe punojne ne Kosove. Adresa mund te kete ndryshuar pasiqe ishte postuar ne Shkurt te ketij viti, por jam e sigurte qe numri i dyte i telefonit duhet te jete i njejte ende. Iliriana RIMO1EI at aol.com wrote: --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Tung... A e dini ku eshte zyra e Fondacionit Soros ne Prishtin? Faliminderit, Perparimi _______________________________________________________ This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From kosova at jps.net Fri Jul 7 15:35:26 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:35:26 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_Analist=EBt_amerikan=EB:__bojkotimi_i_Thacit_mu?= =?Windows-1252?Q?nd_t=EB_jet=EB_thik=EB_me_dy_teha?= Message-ID: Analist?t amerikan?: bojkotimi i Thacit mund t? jet? thik? me dy teha Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 6 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Sipas analist?ve politik? n? Uashington vendimi i Hashim Thacit, kreytari i Partis? Demokratike t? Kosov?s p?r t?u t?rhequr nga administrata e p?rbashk?t mund t?i sjell atij dhe partis? t? cil?n ai e kryeson vet?m t? mira. S? paku n? periudh?n afatshkurt?r. Por n? se ai fiton titullin e ?bojkotuesit profesionist? duke e shd?rruar politik?n e bojkotimit n? resperator p?r t? mbijetuar politikisht pa ndonj? plan origjinal p?r t? ardhm?n e popullat?s kosovare, nj? taktik? e till? mund t?i hakmerret n? periudh?n afatgjate. Nj? fat i till? e p?rcolli dikur kryetarin e Partis? Demokratike t? Shqip?ris?, Sali Berish?n. S? pari, p?rmes bojkotimit t? K?shillit t? udh?hequr nga Bernard Kushner, ish komandanti i Ushtirs? clirimtare t? Kosov?s p?rfiton ?v?mendje? si nga media ashtu edhe nga diplomacia nd?rkomb?tare. ?Thaci momentalisht nuk ka se si t? humb me k?t? gjest,? deklaroi p?r gazet?n Z?ri nj? analist politik dhe ekspert p?r Ballkanin n? Uashington. ?Serbet disa her? kan? b?r? t? njejt?n gj? dhe secil?n her? kan? p?rfituar dicka. At?her? pse t? mos luajn t? njejt?n loj? edhe shqiptar?t,? thot? i njejti analist. 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Por i njejti analist? ?sht? i mendimit se ekziston rrezik politik p?r Thacin dhe partin? e tij po q? se bojkotimi i tij interpretohet si kok?fort?si dhe arroganc?. ?Pra bojkotimi p?r momentin mund t? nxjerr? ndonj? kock? p?r krahun e Thacit, por mund t? jet? edhe thik? me dy teha, po qe se teprohet n? k?t? drejtim,? thot? analisti i lart p?rmendur. Edhe pse serb?t kan? marr? vazhdimnisht ?kocka? nga nd?rkomb?tar?t si shkas i bojkotimit, k?rkesat e tyre jan? p?rputhur me ato t? komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar q? vetes detyr? kryesore i ka paraqitur mbrojtjen e serb?ve dhe t? krijimit t? nj? Kosove multi-etnike. Kerkesat e Thacit, edhe pse t? arsyeshme nga shumica shqiptare, mund t? konsiderohen si t? pa realizueshme nga nd?rkomb?tar?t, t? cil?t n? k?t? rast nuk do t? nd?rmerrnin asnj? hap q? do t? p?rconte edhe dyshimin m? t? vog?l se komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar nuk po b?n? maksimumin p?r t? mbrojtur interesat e serb?ve t? mbetur n? Kosov?. N? k?t? rast k?rkesat e Thacit t? raportuara n? shtyp mund t? trajtohen si t? paarsyeshme nga t? huajt t? cilat mbajn timonin e fatiti politik dhe ekonomik t? Kosov?s. Sipas nj? raporti t? Grupit Nd?rkomb?tar t? Kriz?s me seli n? Uashington, UNMIK-u dhe NATO jan? t? interesuar q? n? Kosov? t? identifikojn? njer?zit q? jan? t? gatsh?m p?r bashk?punim me ta dhe t? izolojn? ata q? shd?rrohen n? porblemxhinj?. N? an?n serbe mandati i ?bashk?punuesit? i ?sht? besuar udh?heq?sit fetar Artemije, kurse nga pala shqiptare k?t? vend tash e mban LDK dhe Rugova. ?Rugova p?r partin? e tij n? nj?far? m?nyr? ?sht? sikurse Drashkoviqi p?r t? vet?n,? thot? nj? expert amerikan. ?Njer?zit n? partin? e tij jan? m?rzitur me te, por partia si parti ?sht? e organizuar dhe ai ka mbetur si simbol i nj? organizimi t? till?.? Edhe pse zyrtarisht nuk ka deklarime p?r favorit?t shqiptar? n? zgjedhjet e ardhshme n? Kosov?, analist?t politik? jan? t? mendimit se p?rkrahja amerikane do t? depozitohet n? k?ndin e ?investimit pa rrezikim.? Pra heshtazi amerikan?t ka gjas? q? do ta p?rkrahin Rugov?n edhe pse ?Mandella i Ballkanit? nuk ?sht? m? i preferueshmi i Uashingtonit si shkas i neglizhenc?s s? tij si udh?heq?s. Mir?po fakti q? Rugova mund t? jet? i pranuesh?m p?r shumic?n shqiptare (s? paku sipas anketave q? jan? b?r? nga organizatat per?ndimore), p?r Beogradin dhe p?r Mosk?n, si i till? ?sht? edhe p?r Uashingtonin, n? koh?n kur kryeqyteti amerikan po p?rpiqet q? to mos i indinjoj? rus?t n? marr?dh?njet e tij me Beogradin. ?P?r k?t? shkak, t? v?n? n? peshoj?n e zgjedhjes, zyrtar?t tan? do ta marrin Rugov?n para Thacit, sepse ky i fundit, sipas mendimt t? tyre, ?sht? i pazgjedhsh?m,? u shpreh nj? analist q? i ka p?rcjellur zhvillimet politike ne Kosov? me vite. Mir?po n? Uashington ekziston shpresa q? nga gjiri i LDK-s? t? del ndonj? udh?heq?s i ri, q? do ta zgjonte partin? me an?tar?si m? t? madhe n? Kosov? nga gjumi dhjet?vjecar i udh?heq?sit t? saj. Nd?rkoh? n? Uashington po p?rcillen me v?mendje l?vizjet e Ramush Haradinajt, i cili me pak fat dhe shum? ndihm? nga ekspert? politik? mund t? i shfryt?zoj gabimet e Thacit me politik?n e tij agresive dhe t? Rugov?s me pasivitet duke t?rhequr nj? vij? t? kujdesshme ?t? bashkimit, jo t? urrejtjes dhe p?rcarjes? q? ekziston midis Thacit dhe Rugov?s dhe partive t? tyre. Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s edhe pse aludon n? at? se Haradinaj mund t? ket? patur lidhje n? trafikimin e naft?s dhe cigareve midis Kosov?s dhe Malit t? Zi, e p?rshkruan ish komandantin e rajonit t? Dukagjinit si njeriun ?m? t? fuqish?m? n? Kosov? dhe I cili ?sht? kund?r grindjeve nd?rpartiake kosovare. Nd?rsa mbetet c?shtje e koh?s se si do t? zhvillohet fushata zgjedhore n? Kosov? e cila do t? jet? provimi i par? i shqiptar?ve p?r t? krijuar nj? Kosov? t? lir? dhe demokratike, nj? gj? vazhdon t? jet? evidente: n? Kosov? do t? fitoi ai q? n? k?ndin e tij ka Uashingtonin. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From etrit at alb-net.com Fri Jul 7 16:14:22 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] germia In-Reply-To: <383403161.962997177380.JavaMail.root@web313-mc.mail.com> Message-ID: e ne germi a po shkojne njerezit hiq, i.e. a eshte rrezik prej minave me dale neper pyjet e germise? On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, ___P_9___ bomba wrote: > pasi qe ne prishtine jane momentalisht temperaturat e larta tropike ne foton > e pare mund te shihni qe bazeni i prishtines eshte i mbushur me uje dhe se > ai punon nganjehere dhe ne ate vend mund te freskoheni gjate ketyre diteve > te nxehta prishtinase poashtu ne foton e dyte deshta tju njoftoj qe eshte > hapur nje kafiq ne germi kur ka qene njefar pushimore qaty dikun rruges per > me shku te koshat dhe aty po bohet mire tash veres edhe ne pike te dites. > njerzit po dalin aty po e marrin nj pije te ftoft dhe nen freskin e germis > dhe cicerimen e zogjve te lirise dhe poashtu ngapak nen eren e "barutit" te > germis po pushojne ne keto dite te nxehta prishtinase. > > edmond pruthi From kosova at jps.net Sat Jul 8 15:30:15 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:30:15 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per shqiptaret Message-ID: Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per shqiptaret Por jan? tri probleme q? k?rkojn? zgjidhje para zgjedhjeve, thot? Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 8 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Zgjedhjet lokale q? do t? mbahen n? vjesht? jan? hapi i par? p?r krijimin e shtetit t? Kosov?s, por Grupit Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s i p?rb?r? nga mendimtar? t? njohur nga e gjith? bota, ka radhitur tri probleme t? cilat duhet zgjidhur para zgjedhjeve. Sipas k?tij grupi (i cili k?to dit? publikoi emrat e ri t? bordit t? vet ku nd?r t? tjer? p?rfshihen p?rsonalitete t? njohura si gjenerali Uesli Klark, Ema Bonino, Morton Abramovic, Marti Atisari, Branislav Geremek dhe Luiz? Arbor), korrupsioni ?sht? nd?r problemet kyce q? parashohin kosovar?t dhe komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar. ??sht? e domosdoshme q? t? publikohet gjendja finaciare si dhe t? vihen kufizime t? rrepta mbi shpenzimet p?r fushat?n n? m?nyr? q? t? minimozohet influenca e krimit dhe korrupsionit n? sistemin elektoral,? thuhet n? nj? deklarat? t? Grupit q? u botua t? premten. Si c?shtje e dyt? problematike, sipas Grupit, ?sht? media kosovare, s? cil?s tani i ka dal? nami si e pap?rgjegj?si dhe nxit?se e urrejtjes dhe krimit. Nuk mjaftojn?, thuhet n? deklarat?, kufizimet e paraqitura n? t? ashtuquajturin ?kod t? veprimit? t? Organizat?s p?r Siguri dhe Bashk?punim n? Evrop? (OSBE) sepse kufizimet dhe d?nimet jan? tep?r t? p?rgjith?suara. ?Kodi duhet t? sht?rngohet edhe m? tep?r dhe aplikimi i tij t? zbatohet vet?m gjat? periudh?s zgjedhore,? thuhet n? deklatat?. Disa analist? t? medias n? Uashington thon? se zyrtar?t amerikan? jan? t? shqet?suar p?r fatin e medias kosovare sepse sic thon? ata ?shum?kush mendon se media atje ?sht? e shitur, ?sht? n? xhepin e k?tij apo atij dhe gj?ra t? tilla t? ngjashme.? Frik?simi dhe k?rc?nimi i votues?ve nga grupe, individ? dhe parti t? ndryshme t? p?rfshira n? zgjedhje ?sht? shqet?sim tjet?r me t? cilin preokupohet Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s. ?UNMIK-u dhe OSBE duhet t? v?zhgojn? dhe t? b?jn? hetime si dhe t? imponojn? nd?shkime penale kund?r dhun?s q? ka lidhje me zgjedhjet ndaj partive dhe kandidat?ve,? thuhet m? tutje n? deklarat?n e Grupit. N? nj? intervist? me Z?rin e cila do t? botohet n? numrin e ardhsh?m t? javor?s, ish ndihm?ssekretari amerikan i shtetit, Morton Abramovic, thot? se shqiptar?t duhet te jen? t? kujdessh?m q? t? mos shkaktojn? d?shtimin e zgjedhjeve. ?Shum? njer?z k?tu (n? Amerik?) jan? t? shqet?suar dhe t? preokupuar q? arm?t mos ta p?rcaktojn? rezultatin e zgjedhjeve,? thot? Abramovic i cili u kthye k?t? jav? nga nj? vizit? disadit?she n? Kosov?. Ai aludon n? at? se n? Kosov? mund t? ket? ende grupe ? shqiptare dhe serbe -- q? posedojn? arm? q? mund t? p?rdor?n n? p?rpjekje e sip?r p?r t? ndryshuar rezultatin e votimeve. ?K?shtu q? n? se zgjedhjet d?shtojn?, p?r cfar?do arsye qoft?, at?her? do t? rrezikohet mbajtja e zgjedhjeve t? p?rgjithshme t? cilat jan? shum? m? t? r?nd?sishme p?r ta p?rcaktuar fatin e Kosov?s.? Zgjedhjet, sipas tij, ?fillojn? procesin me c?rast kosovar?t fillojn? t? vendosin p?r vet?veten, fillojn? t?i kryejn? pun?t vet, fillojn? t? definojn? se kush jan? udh?heq?sit e tyre, fillojn? t? gjenerojn? nj?far? ligj?shm?rie p?r udh?heq?sit e tyre.? Sa u p?rket serb?ve, Grupit Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s i b?n thirrje OSBE-s? q? t? vazhdoj? me mbajtjen e zgjedhjeve pa marr? parasysh bojkotimin nga pala serbe por duke patur parasysh se ata mund t?i bashkangjit?n qeveris? lokale m? von?. Grupi gjithashtu i drejtohet UNMIK-ut me k?rkes?n q? t? caktoj? nj? dat? p?r zgjedhjet e p?rgjithshme komb?tare t? Kosov?s deri n? qershor t? vitit 2001 n? m?nyr? q? t? inaugurohet nj? qeveri q? do t? del nga ato zgjedhje, por e cila do t? vazhdoj? pun?n n?n mbikqyrjen e komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar. ?Heretavon?,? thot? Abramovic, i cili ?sht? nd?r t? huajt e pakt? q? e mbron iden? p?r pavar?sin? e Kosov?s, ?Per?ndimi duhet t? heq dor? nga administrimi i Kosov?s dhe t?ja dor?zoi k?t? p?rgjegj?si institucioneve kosovare.? Sipas tij, zgjedhjet lokale jan? tejet t? r?nd?sishme edhe p?r faktin se jo kush do ta udh?heq Pej?n, p?r shembull, por p?r v?njen e themelit t? nj? shteti efektiv sepse tani p?r tani Kosova nuk ka form? shteti.? Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From AVuniqi at aol.com Sat Jul 8 18:16:23 2000 From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:16:23 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vendimi=20i=20Tha=E7it=20l=EBkund=20pozicionin=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?"kukull"=20t=EB=20shqiptar=EBve=20n=EB=20KPA?= Message-ID: VENDIMI I THACIT LEKUND POZICIONIN "KUKULL" TE SHQIPTAREVE NE KPA Agim Vuniqi Deri sa p?rpjekjet e treshit shqiptar n? KPA p?r t? vendosur rregull n? planin afatshkurt?r ishin t? pakoordinuara meq? iu mungonte kooperativiteti paraprak dhe t? nj?jtat mbeteshin vet?m n? suaza t? deklarimeve (pa nj? strategji t? p?rbashk?t, pa finalizim t? q?ndrimeve t? p?rbashk?ta), pala serbe kete e shfrytezoi maksimalisht duke i krijuar vetes hapesire politike te mjaftueshme manovrimi (edhe pse ate e kishin te ngushtuar) dhe duke shfrytezuar koketimin me Kushnerin ne njeren ane dhe obstrukcionin dhe kushtezimin per te marre pjese ne KPA, ne anen tjeter, u bene pale kryesore per bisedime. Faktori shqiptar i perqare thelle duke i bere obstrukcione njeri tjetrit dobesoi tej mase poziten e favorshme politike dhe diplomatike te krijuar nga diplomacia amerikane, sidomos me mos kushtezimin per pjesemarrje ne KS te OKB-se, pastaj me lejimin e bastisjes masive ne Drenice dhe me demonstrimin e vonshem te qytetareve si gjithnje ne politiken shqiptare, pastaj demonstrimi i dhunes politike dhe zbrazja e energjise mendore dhe fizike per te siguruar pozita sa me te favorshme lojaliteti ndaj te huajve e uli imazhin e krijuar te krijuar gjate luftes dhe pas saj, me kthimin masiv te qytetareve ne Kosove. Metodat e eliminimit fizik te oponenteve politik filluan t'i zbehin te gjitha vuajtjet, masakrat, djegiet qe perjetuan shqiptaret me vite te tera, duke procesuar krizen politike brendashqiptare, e cila tash per tash mbeshtetet ne elementin rebel per te dominuar njerei mbi tjetrin, duke mos qare koken per fatin e ardhmerise se Kosoves, por edhe qytetareve te saj. Ate qe nuk arriti pala shqiptare serbet te tubuar rreth keshillit nacional serb arriten nje marreveshje mirekuptimi me Kushnerin, duke krijuar nje realitet te ri politik ate te ndarjes se Kosoves duke fituar edhe privilegje duke krijuar zonat e sigurise nen mbrojtje te administrates civile te OKB-se por edhe policore dhe ushtarake. Asnjehere treshi shqiptar nuk e pa te arsyeshme te bisedoi me subjektet tjera politike, me qytetar te rendomte por edhe intelektual per te kerkuar edhe mendimin e tyre (edhe pse u takua disa here me Trajkoviqin, Artemijen ), por te gjitha takimet e deritanishme ishin vetem ne suaza te marketingut partiak. Kooperativiteti dhe puna ekipore ?sht? nj? nd?r ??shjet m? p?rbajt?sore t? zgjidhjes s? problemeve dhe konflikteve t? brend?shme, strategji afatgjate t? cil?n e aplikon SHBA -ja, tash s? fundit po gjen mb?shtetje n? vet sistemin shkollor (n? at? publik dhe privat), dhe at? me k?rkes? decidive t? kompanive t? m?dha dhe t? korporatave multinacionale, q? ?sht? e nd?rlidhur ngusht me ndarjen nd?rkomb?tare t? pun?s dhe procesin e globalizimit si projekt i ardhm?ris?. Prandaj zhvillimet e m?tejme politike por edhe ekonomike n? Kosov? do t? duhej t? mb?shteteshin n? bisedime te vazhdueshme, kontakte, duke afirmuar vlerat e mirekuptimit ne mes vete e jo ato te perqarjes. Logjika p?r nd?rtimin e shtetit ?sht? mbi at? partiake ngase pasqyron kultur?n politike n? nj?r?n an?, por edhe diciplin?n qytetare, n? an?n tjet?r, q? ?sht? paramet?r me r?nd?si dhe si shprehje e vullnetit politik per shtetesi por edhe vet?sakrific?s p?r rind?rtim. Lufta solli shum? vuajtje dhe plag? t? pash?rueshme, por..., nxori n? sip?rfaqe edhe forc?n politike dhe ushtarake U?K-n? si aleate t? NATO-s, q? ka edhe t? drejt?n legjitime t'i g?zoi frytet e fitores. Por a ?sht? e t?ra kjo? Jo! Ngase logjika e rind?rtimit ?sht? m? e v?shtir?, dhe at? duhet ta p?rqafojn? t? gjith? pa p?rjashtim. Edhe pse situata e re imponon l?vizje t? matura politike-diplomatike p?r marrjen e vendimeve me r?nd?si, ato duhet t? pakt?n t? plot?sojn? kriteret s? paku minimale t? demokratizimit t? brendsh?m q? do t? ishin shprehje e koncenzusit politik p?r marrjen e vendimeve q? do ta kishin fuqin? e ligjit (p?rrkoh?sisht) deri n? zgjedhjet e lira t? qytetar?ve t? Kosov?s, por t? definuara qart? me statusin politiko-juridik dhe territorial t? Kosov?s. Vendimi i PD per te ngrire aktivitetin ne KPA eshte shume domethenes por varet edhe nga faktoret tjere sa do ta perkrahin por edhe qytetaret, me kete ne fakt pas nje kohe te gjate te pozicionit "kukull" duhet te filloje te levize, te konsolidohet dhe te dinamizohet faktori shqiptar deri me tash statik. F?rkimet me administrat?n civile t? OKB-s? nuk duhej t? jane t? buta, prandaj detyr? prioritare e treshit (Tha?i, Qosja dhe Rugova) jan?: rregullimi i marrdh?nieve t? brend?shme politike, q? do t? thot? ndarje nga format imponimit t? mendimit politik nga lart posht?, por iniciativat t? rrjedhin nga qytetar?t, prandaj ?sht? i nevojsh?m edhe decentralizimi i pushtetit ku b?m?n m? t? madhe p?r zhvillim ekonomik do ta bart? qendra administrative ("County", sipas p?rvoj?s amerikane), me k?t? do t? eleminoheshin tendencat p?r krijimin e komunave t? reja pa marr?veshje paraprake t? qendr?s administrative dhe do t? eleminoheshin tendencat p?r krijimin e komunave t? m?vetsishme e q? m? von? do t? rrezikonin t?rsin? territoriale t? Kosov?s ( meq? nuk ?sht? i definuar ende statusi politiko-juridik i Kosov?s). KPA-ja si institucion ishte d?shtimi m? i madh? politik i shqiptar?ve, meq? n? fakt ky ?sht? nj? organ konsultativ pa p?rmbajtje. Nuk jan? definuar ??shtjet par?sore si prona dhe titullari i pron?s, nuk jan? p?rcaktuar kornizat e siguris? p?r te gjithe qytetar?t, nuk jan? definuar detyrat konkrete dhe konkretizuar p?rgjegj?sit?, nuk ?sht? b?r? afatizimi i zgjidhjes s? problemeve etj., prandaj shqiptaret perkohsisht duhet te kene nje marreveshje te heshtur ne mes vete per te gjitha ?eshtjert me rendesi. From zabeli at gmx.de Sun Jul 9 06:38:48 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:38:48 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Vendimi_i_Tha=E7it_l=EBkund_pozicionin_"kukull"_t=EB_shqip?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tar=EBve_n=EB_KPA?= References: Message-ID: <18726.963139128@www2.gmx.net> mua me duket se abstenimi i thacit nga kpa eshte vetem nje akt per te mbledhur poena politik: ai do ta kete shume ma lehte te thote para mases, se "e kum dit, qe ko mu bo qishtu, e qata sdojsha une me pase kurregjo me ta", e kesisoj ka shansa pastaj, qe edhe masa te thote: "nime qyky thaci i mequm forte; qetij dojme me ja dhane voten". ne nuk po dijme ta luajme asnje loje; ne jemi gati gjithnje ata qe kukasim, se rregullat e lojes nuk po na pershtatet, deri sa herifat tjere (lexo: shkijet ne krye me popin e tyne) brenda rregullave aktuale, te cilat dmth. azginat tone (qosja, rugova e thaci) i kontestojne, arrijne nje asi marreveshje, qe, sic tha agimi, te qet para aktit te kryer. neve si nuk po na shkon pershtati, fajin po ia vejme gjyqtarit (lexo kouchnerit). disi po me duket si ajo loja e basketbollit ne mitrovice, qe para nje kohe e tregoi tvk-ja. herifat basketbollistat kishin shkue ne mitrovice prej peje apo gjakove, nuk jam i sigurte, per me lujte basketbolle dhe e kishin pase ndale lojen ne gjysme, si proteste - se mas lehti eshte mi mledhe plackat e m'ia therre - qysh ia ka ba thaci... me t'mira, shyqa > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > VENDIMI I THACIT LEKUND POZICIONIN "KUKULL" TE SHQIPTAREVE NE KPA > > Agim Vuniqi > > Deri sa p?rpjekjet e treshit shqiptar n? KPA p?r t? vendosur rregull n? > > planin afatshkurt?r ishin t? pakoordinuara meq? iu mungonte > kooperativiteti > paraprak dhe t? nj?jtat mbeteshin vet?m n? suaza t? deklarimeve (pa nj? > > strategji t? p?rbashk?t, pa finalizim t? q?ndrimeve t? p?rbashk?ta), > pala > serbe kete e shfrytezoi maksimalisht duke i krijuar vetes hapesire > politike > te mjaftueshme manovrimi (edhe pse ate e kishin te ngushtuar) dhe duke > shfrytezuar koketimin me Kushnerin ne njeren ane dhe obstrukcionin dhe > kushtezimin per te marre pjese ne KPA, ne anen tjeter, u bene pale > kryesore > per bisedime. Faktori shqiptar i perqare thelle duke i bere obstrukcione > > njeri tjetrit dobesoi tej mase poziten e favorshme politike dhe > diplomatike > te krijuar nga diplomacia amerikane, sidomos me mos kushtezimin per > pjesemarrje ne KS te OKB-se, pastaj me lejimin e bastisjes masive ne > Drenice > dhe me demonstrimin e vonshem te qytetareve si gjithnje ne politiken > shqiptare, pastaj demonstrimi i dhunes politike dhe zbrazja e energjise > > mendore dhe fizike per te siguruar pozita sa me te favorshme lojaliteti > ndaj > te huajve e uli imazhin e krijuar te krijuar gjate luftes dhe pas saj, > me > kthimin masiv te qytetareve ne Kosove. Metodat e eliminimit fizik te > oponenteve politik filluan t'i zbehin te gjitha vuajtjet, masakrat, > djegiet > qe perjetuan shqiptaret me vite te tera, duke procesuar krizen politike > brendashqiptare, e cila tash per tash mbeshtetet ne elementin rebel per > te > dominuar njerei mbi tjetrin, duke mos qare koken per fatin e ardhmerise > se > Kosoves, por edhe qytetareve te saj. Ate qe nuk arriti pala shqiptare > serbet > te tubuar rreth keshillit nacional serb arriten nje marreveshje > mirekuptimi > me Kushnerin, duke krijuar nje realitet te ri politik ate te ndarjes se > Kosoves duke fituar edhe privilegje duke krijuar zonat e sigurise nen > mbrojtje te administrates civile te OKB-se por edhe policore dhe > ushtarake. > Asnjehere treshi shqiptar nuk e pa te arsyeshme te bisedoi me subjektet > tjera > politike, me qytetar te rendomte por edhe intelektual per te kerkuar > edhe > mendimin e tyre (edhe pse u takua disa here me Trajkoviqin, Artemijen > ), por > te gjitha takimet e deritanishme ishin vetem ne suaza te marketingut > partiak. > Kooperativiteti dhe puna ekipore ?sht? nj? nd?r ??shjet m? p?rbajt?sore > t? > zgjidhjes s? problemeve dhe konflikteve t? brend?shme, strategji > afatgjate t? > cil?n e aplikon SHBA -ja, tash s? fundit po gjen mb?shtetje n? vet > sistemin > shkollor (n? at? publik dhe privat), dhe at? me k?rkes? decidive t? > kompanive > t? m?dha dhe t? korporatave multinacionale, q? ?sht? e nd?rlidhur ngusht > me > ndarjen nd?rkomb?tare t? pun?s dhe procesin e globalizimit si projekt i > ardhm?ris?. Prandaj zhvillimet e m?tejme politike por edhe ekonomike n? > Kosov? do t? duhej t? mb?shteteshin n? bisedime te vazhdueshme, > kontakte, > duke afirmuar vlerat e mirekuptimit ne mes vete e jo ato te perqarjes. > Logjika p?r nd?rtimin e shtetit ?sht? mbi at? partiake ngase pasqyron > kultur?n politike n? nj?r?n an?, por edhe diciplin?n qytetare, n? an?n > tjet?r, q? ?sht? paramet?r me r?nd?si dhe si shprehje e vullnetit > politik per > shtetesi por edhe vet?sakrific?s p?r rind?rtim. > Lufta solli shum? vuajtje dhe plag? t? pash?rueshme, por..., nxori n? > sip?rfaqe edhe forc?n politike dhe ushtarake U?K-n? si aleate t? NATO-s, > q? > ka edhe t? drejt?n legjitime t'i g?zoi frytet e fitores. Por a ?sht? e > t?ra > kjo? Jo! Ngase logjika e rind?rtimit ?sht? m? e v?shtir?, dhe at? duhet > ta > p?rqafojn? t? gjith? pa p?rjashtim. > Edhe pse situata e re imponon l?vizje t? matura politike-diplomatike > p?r > marrjen e vendimeve me r?nd?si, ato duhet t? pakt?n t? plot?sojn? > kriteret s? > paku minimale t? demokratizimit t? brendsh?m q? do t? ishin shprehje e > koncenzusit politik p?r marrjen e vendimeve q? do ta kishin fuqin? e > ligjit > (p?rrkoh?sisht) deri n? zgjedhjet e lira t? qytetar?ve t? Kosov?s, por > t? > definuara qart? me statusin politiko-juridik dhe territorial t? > Kosov?s. > Vendimi i PD per te ngrire aktivitetin ne KPA eshte shume domethenes > por > varet edhe nga faktoret tjere sa do ta perkrahin por edhe qytetaret, me > kete > ne fakt pas nje kohe te gjate te pozicionit "kukull" duhet te filloje te > > levize, te konsolidohet dhe te dinamizohet faktori shqiptar deri me tash > > statik. F?rkimet me administrat?n civile t? OKB-s? nuk duhej t? jane t? > > buta, prandaj detyr? prioritare e treshit (Tha?i, Qosja dhe Rugova) > jan?: > rregullimi i marrdh?nieve t? brend?shme politike, q? do t? thot? ndarje > nga > format imponimit t? mendimit politik nga lart posht?, por iniciativat t? > > rrjedhin nga qytetar?t, prandaj ?sht? i nevojsh?m edhe decentralizimi i > pushtetit ku b?m?n m? t? madhe p?r zhvillim ekonomik do ta bart? qendra > administrative ("County", sipas p?rvoj?s amerikane), me k?t? do t? > eleminoheshin tendencat p?r krijimin e komunave t? reja pa marr?veshje > paraprake t? qendr?s administrative dhe do t? eleminoheshin tendencat > p?r > krijimin e komunave t? m?vetsishme e q? m? von? do t? rrezikonin t?rsin? > > territoriale t? Kosov?s ( meq? nuk ?sht? i definuar ende statusi > politiko-juridik i Kosov?s). > KPA-ja si institucion ishte d?shtimi m? i madh? politik i > shqiptar?ve, > meq? n? fakt ky ?sht? nj? organ konsultativ pa p?rmbajtje. Nuk jan? > definuar > ??shtjet par?sore si prona dhe titullari i pron?s, nuk jan? p?rcaktuar > kornizat e siguris? p?r te gjithe qytetar?t, nuk jan? definuar detyrat > konkrete dhe konkretizuar p?rgjegj?sit?, nuk ?sht? b?r? afatizimi i > zgjidhjes > s? problemeve etj., prandaj shqiptaret perkohsisht duhet te kene nje > marreveshje te heshtur ne mes vete per te gjitha ?eshtjert me rendesi. > > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From gujda at hotmail.com Mon Jul 10 04:38:04 2000 From: gujda at hotmail.com (Shkumbin Hamiti) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:38:04 PDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per shqiptaret Message-ID: <20000710083804.65573.qmail@hotmail.com> Tung, Pajtohem plotesisht se korrupsioni eshte rreziku me i madh qe i kanoset Kosoves ne kete periudhe "tranzicioni". Nuk ka nevoje te argumentohet ky fakt; pasojat e nje korrupsioni te organizuar shihen mjaft mire ne Shqiperi. Prandaj eshte me se e nevojshme qe qytetaret e Kosoves te kerkojne nga administratori i Kosoves nje ligj apo rregullore (mund te jete i perkoheshem) per vendosjen e nje ekipi per luftimin e korrupsionit. Ky ekip do te duhej te kishte mandat per mbledhjen e informatave mbi gjendjen financiare te te gjithe personave qe kandidohen apo mbajne poste publike, publikimine e informatave, mbledhjen e informatave mbi rastet e korrupsionit, si dhe vendosjen e denimeve te rrepta per te gjithe ata qe e keqperdorin poziten ne poste publike. A mos din ndokush a e kziston ndonje iniciative e ngjajshme ne Kosove? Fatkeqesisht, kam ndegjuar se shenja te korrupsionit te organizuar ne Kosove ka qysh sot. Kjo eshte e tmerrshme... te fala, Shkumbini >From: >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: "Albanews Discussion" , >"Prishtina-L" >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per >shqiptaret >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:30:15 -0700 > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per shqiptaret > >Luiz? Arbor), korrupsioni ?sht? nd?r problemet kyce q? parashohin kosovar?t >dhe komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar. > ??sht? e domosdoshme q? t? publikohet gjendja finaciare si dhe t? vihen >kufizime t? rrepta mbi shpenzimet p?r fushat?n n? m?nyr? q? t? minimozohet >influenca e krimit dhe korrupsionit n? sistemin elektoral,? thuhet n? nj? >deklarat? t? Grupit q? u botua t? premten. >Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista >Zeri, Prishtine. > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From etrit at alb-net.com Mon Jul 10 12:23:28 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Zgjedhjet ne Kosove, rast historik per shqiptaret In-Reply-To: <20000710083804.65573.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: Besoj se menyra e pare e luftimit te korrupsionit eshte publikimi i emrave te zyrtareve te korruptuar neper gazetat lokale si KD, etj... Etriti. On Mon, 10 Jul 2000, Shkumbin Hamiti wrote: > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > Tung, > > Pajtohem plotesisht se korrupsioni eshte rreziku me i madh qe i kanoset > Kosoves ne kete periudhe "tranzicioni". Nuk ka nevoje te argumentohet ky > fakt; pasojat e nje korrupsioni te organizuar shihen mjaft mire ne Shqiperi. > > Prandaj eshte me se e nevojshme qe qytetaret e Kosoves te kerkojne nga > administratori i Kosoves nje ligj apo rregullore (mund te jete i > perkoheshem) per vendosjen e nje ekipi per luftimin e korrupsionit. > Ky ekip do te duhej te kishte mandat per mbledhjen e informatave mbi > gjendjen financiare te te gjithe personave qe kandidohen apo mbajne poste > publike, publikimine e informatave, mbledhjen e informatave mbi rastet e > korrupsionit, si dhe vendosjen e denimeve te rrepta per te gjithe ata qe e > keqperdorin poziten ne poste publike. > > A mos din ndokush a e kziston ndonje iniciative e ngjajshme ne Kosove? > > Fatkeqesisht, kam ndegjuar se shenja te korrupsionit te organizuar ne Kosove > ka qysh sot. Kjo eshte e tmerrshme... > > te fala, > Shkumbini > From meriton at yahoo.com Thu Jul 6 18:54:38 2000 From: meriton at yahoo.com (Rachi's) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 18:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Etrit, Te kisha preferu me i ble markat ne SH.B.A. se kursi eshte ma i volitshem. Sllatina ka pase transformim koheve te fundit, siguria eshte si ne cdo aeroport tjeter. Rruga deri ne Prishtine eshte e sigurte, nuk ke kurfar rreziku. Sinqerisht, Meritoni -----Original Message----- From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com [mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Etrit Bardhi Sent: July 6, 2000 6:29 PM To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l tung, a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper rruge te "rrezikshme"? etriti. _______________________________________________________ This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From atelaku at lehman.com Mon Jul 10 18:28:22 2000 From: atelaku at lehman.com (Telaku, Agron) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: An extremely quiet day. Rates backed up in the face of all the new issuance this week. This is not the first time we have seen rates get ahead of themselves after a strong or weak number. No large flows to report, but we did see a few accounts paying fixed in swaps versus buying corporates and mortgages. > -----Original Message----- > From: Rachi's [SMTP:meriton at yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:55 PM > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > Etrit, > > Te kisha preferu me i ble markat ne SH.B.A. se kursi eshte ma i volitshem. > Sllatina ka pase transformim koheve te fundit, siguria eshte si ne cdo > aeroport tjeter. Rruga deri ne Prishtine eshte e sigurte, nuk ke kurfar > rreziku. > > Sinqerisht, > > Meritoni > > -----Original Message----- > From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > [mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Etrit Bardhi > Sent: July 6, 2000 6:29 PM > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > tung, > > a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik me > marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper > rruge te "rrezikshme"? > > etriti. > > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From atelaku at lehman.com Mon Jul 10 18:32:50 2000 From: atelaku at lehman.com (Telaku, Agron) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:32:50 -0400 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina Message-ID: oops Please ignore my previous message as I sent it by mistake to your list. Again, I apologize. > -----Original Message----- > From: Telaku, Agron [SMTP:atelaku at lehman.COM] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 6:28 PM > To: 'prishtina-l at alb-net.com' > Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > An extremely quiet day. Rates backed up in the face of all the new > issuance > this week. This is not the first time we have seen rates get ahead of > themselves after a strong or weak number. No large flows to report, but > we > did see a few accounts paying fixed in swaps versus buying corporates and > mortgages. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rachi's [SMTP:meriton at yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 6:55 PM > > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > > > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Etrit, > > > > Te kisha preferu me i ble markat ne SH.B.A. se kursi eshte ma i > volitshem. > > Sllatina ka pase transformim koheve te fundit, siguria eshte si ne cdo > > aeroport tjeter. Rruga deri ne Prishtine eshte e sigurte, nuk ke kurfar > > rreziku. > > > > Sinqerisht, > > > > Meritoni > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > [mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Etrit Bardhi > > Sent: July 6, 2000 6:29 PM > > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] dollari dhe sllatina > > > > > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > tung, > > > > a shkon dollari hiq ne prishtine apo vetem marka? poashtu a ka rrezik > me > > marre taksi prej sllatines per ne qytet, i.e. a kalon automobili neper > > rruge te "rrezikshme"? > > > > etriti. > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From AVuniqi at aol.com Mon Jul 10 18:37:23 2000 From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:37:23 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] A eshte cdo gje historike per shqiptare? Message-ID: A nuk ishte Deklarata Kushtetuese historike? Anuk ishte Kushtetuta e Kacanikut historike? A eshte cdo gje historike per shqiptare? Eshte i per?udshem fakti se subjektet politike shqiptare nuk studjojne dhe nuk analizojne aspak ceshtjen e zgjedhjeve, sistemin zgjedhor, perparsite dhe te metat, por kuturu japin vleresime se keto zgjedhje jane historike dhe nje hap drejt pavaresise se Kosoves. Se pari keto zgjedhje nuk jane aspak historike, ngase jane zgjedhje lokale (komunale), jane gara per te pasur nje cope pushtet, aty ku pushtetin e ka Kushneri. Se pari nuk jane percaktuar ceshtjet paresore si: Prona dhe titullari i prones (kjo nuk eshte ne kompetenca te komunes), Nuk jane percaktuar kornizat e sigurise per te gjithe qytetaret e Kosoves, Nuk jane percaktuar saktesisht kompetencat e komunave Cfare do te jete koordinimi nderkomunal (meqe Kosova nuk ka bile amandamente kalimtare kushtetuese, e as nje status te definuar nga obdusmani i Kosoves, qe me vone do te inkorporoheshin ne Kushtetuten e Kosoves) etj. Jane te pacarta sidomos disa ceshtje rreth organizimit territorial te Kosoves meqe Kosova para rrenimit kushtetues me tankse ka pasur 22 komuna, ndersa tash me keto zgjedhje legjitimohen 30. Eshte e natyrshme qe cfaredo ndryshimi territorial dhe administativ duhet te kalon ne fazen e diskutimit publik, por edhe referendumit, per kete nuk diskutohet aspak...!? Nuk eshte e thene qe cfaredo vleresimi apriori qe vjen nga te huajt te jete ne pajtueshmeri me interesat nacionale te shqiptareve, per kete nuk mund te vendosin vetem subjektet politike, meqe kjo eshte ceshtje mbi te gjitha ceshtjet dhe eshte e drejte e cdo qytetari bile te jap mendimin e vet publikisht apo permes "kokrres" ne kutine e "kokrrave". Cfare ne te vertete fitojne shqiptaret me keto zgjedhje -do te fitojne nje pushtet fiktiv ne nivel komunal (nder shqiptare ashtu sic e pat LDK-ja), rreziku i nje lufte te ashper brenda shqiptare meqe kryetaret e komunave do te jene te subjekteve te ndryshme, pra nuk do te kete komunikim te lirshem), subjektet politike do te margjinalizohen, do te pjesezohet homogjeniteti politik brendashqiptare (do te doja qe keto vleresime te mos jene te sakta) etj. Kosova me nje tersi administrativo-territorial cfare e kishte me Kushtetuten e KSAK dhe ate te Kacanikut dalengadale po shnderrohet ne Bashkesi te 30 komunave e cila do te legjitimohet me "zgjedhjet historike", e perafert me nje projekt te mehershem te Ratko Markoviqit, ku sistemi politik i Kosoves do te mbeshtetet ne statute te Komunave e jo ne nje Kushtetute te qendrueshme qe legjitimon qeverisjen e qytetareve te kosoves me resurset qe disponon Kosova edhe pse jo ne kete faze, por bile se paku te qartesohet pozita politike e Kosoves per ne t'ardhemn). Me keto zgjedhje do t'iu mundesohet serbeve qe ne t'ardhmen te mbajne edhe "referendum" per kantonizim te kosoves por edhe shkeputje, meqe Bashkesia nderkombetare do t'i pranoi realitetet e reja faktike siq ndodhi ne Kroaci dhe Bosnje. A do te duhej pra subjektet politike shqiptare te analizojne te gjitha keto e pastaj te marrin nje vendim te pranueshem dhe te perbashket apo duhet te "turren" per nje fotele komunale? ( Do te isha i kenaqur qe keto vleresime te jene te gabuara, por cdo gje duhet marre me rezerva) From Daqki at aol.com Tue Jul 11 00:44:22 2000 From: Daqki at aol.com (Daqki at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 00:44:22 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] A eshte cdo gje historike per shqiptare? Message-ID: <25.823c595.269c0026@aol.com> Zgjedhjet e tetorit jane zgjedhje te rendomta (zgjedhje lokale) neper demokracite perendimore. Eshte vetem nje instrument i demokracise elektorale. Pse te na keto zgjedhje kane aq rendesi, jo te rendomte ,eshte per shkak se gjate gjithe shekullit te fundit nuk kemi pase mundesi te dalim ne zgjedhje dhe te shprehim vullnetin me kete instrument te demokracise. Romantizmin anash, "historizimi" i qdo vendimi politik ne kete rast justifikohet=))...keto zgjedhje kane karakter jo vetem lokal( zgjedhjen e asambleve komunale etj), me keto zgjedhje do te tregojme se a jemi te gatshem per demokracin procedurale.Para se te mbaroje periodi i "tranzacionit" nderkombetar ne duhet te deshmojme se keto "manifestime" te demokracise do t'kalojne me dinjitet. Keto do te hapin rrugen per krijimin shoqerise civile dhe de jure pamvarsimin e shtetit tone. From kosova at jps.net Tue Jul 11 11:50:03 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:50:03 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese Message-ID: Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese Por shqiptar?t nuk b?n t? d?sh?projn? Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 11 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Askush nuk ka sygjeruar ndonj?her? se puna q? ka marr? p?rsip?r Misioni i Kombave t? Bashkuara n? Kosov? i udh?hequr nga francezi Bernard Kushner ?sht? i leht?. P?rkundrazi, analist?t e njohur politik? e kanw kan? pranuar se misioni n? Kosov? ?sht? aq i komplikuar dhe i zorsh?m sa q? ata kan? parashikuar edhe d?shtimin e misionit UNMIK, apo sic e quajn nganj?her? shqiptar?t cinik?, ANMIK. P?r UNMIK-un Kosova mund t? shd?rrohet n? nj? "Mission impossible" sepse ?sht? i nd?rtuar mbi baz?n e nj? rezolute (1244) e cila n? thelbin e saj p?rmban nene dhe artikuj q? jan? t? parealizueshme (parasheh q? Kosova t? mb?t?t n?n influenc?n e Beogradit) sepse injoron vullnetin e popullit t? Kosov?s q? t? deklarohet p?r t? ardhm?n e tij politike n? m?nyr? demokratike. Padyshim se e t?r? filozofia e per?ndimit ?sht? paradoksale kur ?sht? fjala p?r p?rcaktimin se n? c'drejtim duhet t? shkoj? Kosova. N? njer?n an? Per?ndimi insiston q? Kosova duhet t? jet? demokratike ku secili grup etnik duhet t? p?rfaq?sohet n? m?nyr? t? barabart? dhe t? ket? t? drejt? deklarimi n? m?nyr? demokratike p?rmes vot?s s? lir?, kurse n? an?n tjet?r t? njejtit popull i mohohet e drejta e vot?s p?r t'u shk?putur nga nj? regjim i cili gjithnj? ka synuar eliminimin e t?r?sish?m t? popullat?s shqiptare n? Kosov?. Misioni i Kushnerit nuk ?sht? i rrezikuar sepse shqiptar?t jan? njer?z hak?marr?s t? cil?t "ende jetojn? me mentalitetin e klaneve," sic kan? sygjeruar disa "ekspert?" per?ndimor?. Misioni ?sht? i rrezikuar sepse synon dicka q? njer?zisht ?sht? amorale kurse ligj?risht e pa realizueshme. Misioni i OKB-s? n? Kosov? ?sht? ngarkuar me detyr?n e r?nd? q? t? realizoj? nj? Kosov? shum?-etnike dhe "bashk?jetes? normale" me ata q? deri dje i vran?, i dhunuan, ua dogj?n sht?pit? shqiptar?ve dhe ua "shk?rdhyen" atyre edhe minjt n? gardh, siq thot? nj? fjal? popullore. Por shqiptar?t vazhdimisht porosit?n nga t? huajt q? t? mos mbajn? inat dhe mos t? tregojn? hasm?ri ndaj "fqinj?ve" t? tyre, p?rndryshe do t? etiketohen si primitiv? dhe t? pakultur?. Per?ndimor?t e b?jn? k?t? pjes?risht p?r shkak se ata nuk ishin n? Kosov? gjat? viteve '80 dhe pastaj gjat? fushat?s p?rfundim?tare spastruese t? periudh?s janar-qershor t? vitit 1999. Do t? ishte interesant t? shihej reagimi n? fytyrat e ebrenj?ve po qe se menj?her? pas p?rfundimit t? Luft?s s? Dyt? Bot?rore, t'ju propozohej dicka e ngjashme - pra t'ju thuhej se "ju tani duhet t? bashk?jetoni me nazist?t gjerman?." I v?n? n? thumb t? kritik?s nga Beogradi, Moska dhe Pekini p?r "lejimin e spastrimit etnik t? serb?ve," si dhe duke u nisur nga filozofia e tij p?r ti dalur zot "viktim?s," Kushner e ndjeu obligim moral q? t? n?nshkruante nj? marr?veshje mir?kuptimi me serb?t, duke u premtuar atyre edhe nj? varg "dhuratash" q? do t? p?rfshijn? nd?r t? tjera edhe "p?rmir?sim t? siguris? p?r lirin? e qarkullimit, t? formoj? nj? forc? policore t? vecant? p?r enklavat serbe dhe t? hap rreth 20 zyra t? vecanta p?r serbet." Me nj? fjal? nj? sistem qeveris?s jasht cdo norme q? parasheh rezoluta 1244, e cila edhe ashtu ?sht? e gjymt?. Kuptohet se shqiptar?t tani n? koh?n e paq?s, si rregull e p?rgjithshme jo vet?m me fjal?, por edhe n? vep?r duhet t? angazhohen q? t? garantohet siguria e cdo personi n? Kosov? duke p?rfshir? edhe serb?t pa marr? parasysh se sa e v?shtir? do t? jet? nj? gj? e till? (n? se dikush ka dyshim se kjo ?sht? dicka e leht?, le t? bisedoj? me disa nga familjet n? Dukagjin e Drenic? q? kan? humbur edhe deri n? 25 an?tar? familje nga duart e serb?ve). Mir?po, "nuk ?sht? e th?n? q? t? jesh? mik me dik? q? t? punosh me te" thot? nj? shprehje amerikane. Analist?t ndoshta kan? t? drejt? kur thon? se Hashim Thaci mund ta ket? bojkotuar K?shillin e Kushnerit p?r arsye personale, por protesta e Thacit nuk duhet injoruar t?r?sisht. Mir?po Thaci i vetmuar, assesi nuk mund t? del fitimtar n? fund po q? se kund?rshtar?t e tij politik? shkojn? n? drejtim t? kund?rt. K?rkesat e shqiptar?ve nuk do t? plot?sohen po qe se nj? parti apo udh?heq?s partiak proteston rreth ndonj? padrejt?sie kurse partia ose udh?heq?si tjet?r ua b?jn? "tamir?" nd?rkomb?tar?ve dhe pajtohen m? veprimet e tyre pa marr? parasysh pasojat. Nuk duhet t? besohet se Kushneri ka far? plani t? fsheht? anti-shqiptar. Puna e tij deri me tash, q? shpesh ka ra nd?sh me vet planet e organizat?s s? tij, OKB, ka b?r? q? sot Kosova ?sht? nisur drejt pavar?simit nga Beogradi. Serb?t e kan? emwruar at? si "armiku num?r nj?" i tyre. Mir?po koh?ve t? fundit shqiptar?t nuk jan? t? vetmit q? ia kan? z?n? p?r t? madhe Kushnerit p?r ledhatimet e tepruara t? tij ndaj serb?ve q? para nj? jave i vuri maje memorandumi prej tet? pik?sh q? ai e n?nshkroi me Kryepeshkopin Artemije. "Fatkeq?sisht, veprimi i OKB-s? (Kushnerit) nuk b?ri asgj? n? drejtim t? t?rheqjes s? serb?ve p?r t? marr? pjes? n? zgjedhje, nd?rsa ka krijuar mund?si q? shqiptar?t t'i bojkotojn? t?r?sisht zgjedhjet si kund?reagim," shkruan n? raportin prej 29 faq?sh p?r zgjedhjet, Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s. T? vetmin koncesion q? mori Kushneri n? k?t? marr?veshje ?sht? pjes?marrja edhe p?r tre muaj e serb?ve n? qeverin? e tij -- dhe at? si v?zhgues. Nuk mund t? mos merret si shqet?suese prirja e Kushnerit p?r ta injoruar t?r?sisht faktorin shqiptar n? Kosov? koh?ve t? fundit kur ai u b?n? premtime serb?ve n? llogari t? shqiptar?ve. P?rveq injorimit t? shqiptar?ve me rastin e arritjes s? marr?veshjes me serb?t jav?n e kaluar, para nj? muaj ai vendosi q? n? OKB duhej t? ftoheshin vet?m serb?t dhe se vet?m z?ri i tyre meritonte t? nd?gjohej para trupit t? K?shillit t? Sigurimit. Kjo padyshim, p?rveq q? ishte gjest ofendues kund?r shqiptar?ve, tregonte haptas nj?anshm?rin? e Kushnerit, gj? q? p?r t? njejt?n gj? at? dikur e akuzonin serb?t. "Pwrsonalisht, un? vazhdimisht kam mbajtur an?n e atyre q? vuajn," u citua t? ket? th?n? ai n? The New York Times duke theksuar se k?saj here pala q? "vuante" ishin serb?t.. Q?ndrimi i Kushnerit edhe k?saj here shkaktoi reagim nga amerikan?t dhe detyroi ambasadorin Ric?rd Hollbruk q? t? distancohej publikisht duke th?n? se veprimi i OKB-s? (Kushnerit) ishte i papranuesh?m. Mir?po imitimi i serb?ve nga pala shqiptare p?r t? bojkotuar pun?n e nd?rkomb?tar?ve nuk ?sht? zgjidhje. Bojkotimi mund t? vlej? vet?m sa p?r t? t?rhequr v?rejtjen p?rkoh?sisht por bojkotimi i vazhduesh?m vet?m sa do t'ju krijoj? edhe m? shum? antagonizma n? Per?ndim shqiptar?ve. E vetmja m?nyr? p?r t'ju kund?rvuar nj?anshm?ris? s? Per?ndimit (i cili desh?n s'desh?n q? ta pranojn? disa shqiptar? e ka shp?tuar Kosov?n nga spastrimi total) n? k?t? koh? ?sht? unifikimi i z?rit p?rmes angazhimit intenziv "nga brenda," pra p?rmes UNMIK-ut dhe NATO-s t? realizojn? at? q? shqiptar?t e kan? pritur kaq shum? koh? - zgjedhjet t? cilat do t? njihen si legale dhe demokratike. Cdo rrug? tjet?r q? qon n? konfrontim t? shqiptar?ve me nd?rkomb?tar?t dhe midis veti, garanton humje t? shansit t? vet?m q? u ?sht? dh?n? atyre ndonj?her? p?r ta realizuar nj? dit? pavar?sin? e Kosov?s. N? se dikush dyshon n? k?t?, at?her? le t? p?rkujtoj? periudh?n janar-qershor t? vitit 1999. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From pilika at yahoo.com Tue Jul 11 15:31:21 2000 From: pilika at yahoo.com (Asti Pilika) Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:31:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] 5 vjet nga masakra e Srebrenices Message-ID: <20000711193121.5677.qmail@web803.mail.yahoo.com> Sot u mbushen 5 vjet nga masakra e Srebrenices. Familjet thone se jane vrare 10,000 vete. Jane gjetur eshtrat e 4,000 veteve. Shkruhet se Karaxhici fshihet, por me siguri paqeruajtesit refuzojne ta arrestojne. Lexoni artikullin e NYTimes. ------------ July 11, 2000 Bosnian Muslims Remember Massacre in Srebrenica -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- REUTERS INDEX | INTERNATIONAL | BUSINESS | TECHNOLOGY -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Filed at 1:57 p.m. ET By Reuters SREBRENICA (Reuters) - Around 3,000 Bosnian Muslims held a solemn prayer meeting amid tight security in Serb-controlled Srebrenica Tuesday to mark the fifth anniversary of the worst massacre of the Bosnian war. The Muslims, many of them back in their home town for the first time since the devastating 1995 events, lined up in front of the former headquarters of the U.N. battalion where a group took shelter after Bosnian Serb forces overran the town. Bosnian Muslim Srebrenica was one of six towns designated by the U.N. Security Council in May 1993 as a ``safe area,'' but 110 lightly armed Dutch U.N. troops were powerless against a Serb onslaught on July 11, 1995. The Red Cross estimated that more than 7,000 inhabitants were ``missing'' after the attack on Srebrenica and the remains of some 4,000 were later found. Many other men were killed when they tried to break out of the town through Serb lines. Their families say 10,000 people disappeared. United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan said the tragedy would forever haunt the world body. Groups of women among the crowd Tuesday -- who arrived in a long column of buses driven through Bosnian Serb territory amid heavy security by local police and international police and troops -- began wailing when they returned to the scene. FAMILIES BLAME UNITED NATIONS ``Let them scream. We all need to scream,'' said 55-year-old Fahira, who said she had lost all her adult male family members in the massacre. She earlier berated a passing U.N. official who turned away from the crying women, some of them crouched over in agony. ``Why turn your head? Don't turn your head. You should see our tragedy,'' she said. ``The last time I was in Srebrenica I was here at this very site.'' Ismet Celikovic, one of the organizers of the ceremony, which was much larger than last year's first commemoration at the site, said the bus he came in had been stoned by Serbs in Bratunac. A Western official said a woman had been arrested over the incident, which followed the burning of an empty Muslim house in Srebrenica overnight by unknown arsonists. Bosnian Serbs lined the road on the way to the ceremony in silence and some children gave the three-fingered Serb salute when the buses passed but there were no other incidents. One Serb from Bratunac said people there also felt pain from the war. ``Our wounds are too recent, which is why Muslims traveling to Srebrenica across Bosnian Serb territory can't feel completely safe,'' said Blazenka Nogo, 46. In Geneva, about 100 Bosnian Muslim survivors of the massacre, along with relatives of those killed, gathered outside the U.N.'s European headquarters. Children carried signs that said: ``Five years after genocide in Srebrenica, where is my Daddy?.'' A white banner read: ``10,000 missing civilians. Whoever pardons a crime becomes its accomplice.'' ``I was lucky to get out of Srebrenica after it fell,'' Avdurahman Avdic told reporters at the commemoration in Switzerland. ``We walked for seven days to reach Tuzla, hiding in the forests by day and walking at night. There was an immense column of 15,000 people, easy targets.'' SOME FAMILIES GOING BACK Two Muslim families have returned to Srebrenica recently, encouraging international officials who are trying to reintegrate a country still deeply divided by the 1992-95 war. Asked if she would return, one mourner, Behara Alic, said she had been to look at her house. ``I lost three sons but I have no choice but to come back. God willing I will,'' she said. Alija Izetbegovic, the Muslim member of the three-person joint Bosnian postwar presidency, was among many senior local and Western officials attending the ceremony in Srebrenica. It was his first visit to the area since it became Bosnian Serb territory. Dragutin Bjelica, a 53-year-old Serb from Bratunac, said the Bosnian Serb police lining the route should have arrested Izetbegovic for war crimes, while Dragan Bogdanovic, 34, said the whole event was a ``charade'' that had disgusted local people. The head of the local branch of the hard-line Serbian Democratic Party (SDS), founded by Radovan Karadzic in 1990, said his party would hold a ceremony Tuesday evening to mark the ``liberation'' of Srebrenica by Serb forces. Karadzic, now in hiding, was indicted in 1995 for orchestrating the capture of Srebrenica. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From jashari at uaz.de Wed Jul 12 04:13:41 2000 From: jashari at uaz.de (jashari at uaz.de) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:13:41 +0200 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese References: Message-ID: <000e01bfebd9$17b8c980$c265a8c0@taulant> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Albanews Discussion ; Prishtina-L Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese Por shqiptar?t nuk b?n t? d?sh?projn? Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 11 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Askush nuk ka sygjeruar ndonj?her? se puna q? ka marr? p?rsip?r Misioni i Kombave t? Bashkuara n? Kosov? i udh?hequr nga francezi Bernard Kushner ?sht? i leht?. P?rkundrazi, analist?t e njohur politik? e kanw kan? pranuar se misioni n? Kosov? ?sht? aq i komplikuar dhe i zorsh?m sa q? ata kan? parashikuar edhe d?shtimin e misionit UNMIK, apo sic e quajn nganj?her? shqiptar?t cinik?, ANMIK. P?r UNMIK-un Kosova mund t? shd?rrohet n? nj? "Mission impossible" sepse ?sht? i nd?rtuar mbi baz?n e nj? rezolute (1244) e cila n? thelbin e saj p?rmban nene dhe artikuj q? jan? t? parealizueshme (parasheh q? Kosova t? mb?t?t n?n influenc?n e Beogradit) sepse injoron vullnetin e popullit t? Kosov?s q? t? deklarohet p?r t? ardhm?n e tij politike n? m?nyr? demokratike. Padyshim se e t?r? filozofia e per?ndimit ?sht? paradoksale kur ?sht? fjala p?r p?rcaktimin se n? c'drejtim duhet t? shkoj? Kosova. N? njer?n an? Per?ndimi insiston q? Kosova duhet t? jet? demokratike ku secili grup etnik duhet t? p?rfaq?sohet n? m?nyr? t? barabart? dhe t? ket? t? drejt? deklarimi n? m?nyr? demokratike p?rmes vot?s s? lir?, kurse n? an?n tjet?r t? njejtit popull i mohohet e drejta e vot?s p?r t'u shk?putur nga nj? regjim i cili gjithnj? ka synuar eliminimin e t?r?sish?m t? popullat?s shqiptare n? Kosov?. Misioni i Kushnerit nuk ?sht? i rrezikuar sepse shqiptar?t jan? njer?z hak?marr?s t? cil?t "ende jetojn? me mentalitetin e klaneve," sic kan? sygjeruar disa "ekspert?" per?ndimor?. Misioni ?sht? i rrezikuar sepse synon dicka q? njer?zisht ?sht? amorale kurse ligj?risht e pa realizueshme. Misioni i OKB-s? n? Kosov? ?sht? ngarkuar me detyr?n e r?nd? q? t? realizoj? nj? Kosov? shum?-etnike dhe "bashk?jetes? normale" me ata q? deri dje i vran?, i dhunuan, ua dogj?n sht?pit? shqiptar?ve dhe ua "shk?rdhyen" atyre edhe minjt n? gardh, siq thot? nj? fjal? popullore. Por shqiptar?t vazhdimisht porosit?n nga t? huajt q? t? mos mbajn? inat dhe mos t? tregojn? hasm?ri ndaj "fqinj?ve" t? tyre, p?rndryshe do t? etiketohen si primitiv? dhe t? pakultur?. Per?ndimor?t e b?jn? k?t? pjes?risht p?r shkak se ata nuk ishin n? Kosov? gjat? viteve '80 dhe pastaj gjat? fushat?s p?rfundim?tare spastruese t? periudh?s janar-qershor t? vitit 1999. Do t? ishte interesant t? shihej reagimi n? fytyrat e ebrenj?ve po qe se menj?her? pas p?rfundimit t? Luft?s s? Dyt? Bot?rore, t'ju propozohej dicka e ngjashme - pra t'ju thuhej se "ju tani duhet t? bashk?jetoni me nazist?t gjerman?." I v?n? n? thumb t? kritik?s nga Beogradi, Moska dhe Pekini p?r "lejimin e spastrimit etnik t? serb?ve," si dhe duke u nisur nga filozofia e tij p?r ti dalur zot "viktim?s," Kushner e ndjeu obligim moral q? t? n?nshkruante nj? marr?veshje mir?kuptimi me serb?t, duke u premtuar atyre edhe nj? varg "dhuratash" q? do t? p?rfshijn? nd?r t? tjera edhe "p?rmir?sim t? siguris? p?r lirin? e qarkullimit, t? formoj? nj? forc? policore t? vecant? p?r enklavat serbe dhe t? hap rreth 20 zyra t? vecanta p?r serbet." Me nj? fjal? nj? sistem qeveris?s jasht cdo norme q? parasheh rezoluta 1244, e cila edhe ashtu ?sht? e gjymt?. Kuptohet se shqiptar?t tani n? koh?n e paq?s, si rregull e p?rgjithshme jo vet?m me fjal?, por edhe n? vep?r duhet t? angazhohen q? t? garantohet siguria e cdo personi n? Kosov? duke p?rfshir? edhe serb?t pa marr? parasysh se sa e v?shtir? do t? jet? nj? gj? e till? (n? se dikush ka dyshim se kjo ?sht? dicka e leht?, le t? bisedoj? me disa nga familjet n? Dukagjin e Drenic? q? kan? humbur edhe deri n? 25 an?tar? familje nga duart e serb?ve). Mir?po, "nuk ?sht? e th?n? q? t? jesh? mik me dik? q? t? punosh me te" thot? nj? shprehje amerikane. Analist?t ndoshta kan? t? drejt? kur thon? se Hashim Thaci mund ta ket? bojkotuar K?shillin e Kushnerit p?r arsye personale, por protesta e Thacit nuk duhet injoruar t?r?sisht. Mir?po Thaci i vetmuar, assesi nuk mund t? del fitimtar n? fund po q? se kund?rshtar?t e tij politik? shkojn? n? drejtim t? kund?rt. K?rkesat e shqiptar?ve nuk do t? plot?sohen po qe se nj? parti apo udh?heq?s partiak proteston rreth ndonj? padrejt?sie kurse partia ose udh?heq?si tjet?r ua b?jn? "tamir?" nd?rkomb?tar?ve dhe pajtohen m? veprimet e tyre pa marr? parasysh pasojat. Nuk duhet t? besohet se Kushneri ka far? plani t? fsheht? anti-shqiptar. Puna e tij deri me tash, q? shpesh ka ra nd?sh me vet planet e organizat?s s? tij, OKB, ka b?r? q? sot Kosova ?sht? nisur drejt pavar?simit nga Beogradi. Serb?t e kan? emwruar at? si "armiku num?r nj?" i tyre. Mir?po koh?ve t? fundit shqiptar?t nuk jan? t? vetmit q? ia kan? z?n? p?r t? madhe Kushnerit p?r ledhatimet e tepruara t? tij ndaj serb?ve q? para nj? jave i vuri maje memorandumi prej tet? pik?sh q? ai e n?nshkroi me Kryepeshkopin Artemije. "Fatkeq?sisht, veprimi i OKB-s? (Kushnerit) nuk b?ri asgj? n? drejtim t? t?rheqjes s? serb?ve p?r t? marr? pjes? n? zgjedhje, nd?rsa ka krijuar mund?si q? shqiptar?t t'i bojkotojn? t?r?sisht zgjedhjet si kund?reagim," shkruan n? raportin prej 29 faq?sh p?r zgjedhjet, Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s. T? vetmin koncesion q? mori Kushneri n? k?t? marr?veshje ?sht? pjes?marrja edhe p?r tre muaj e serb?ve n? qeverin? e tij -- dhe at? si v?zhgues. Nuk mund t? mos merret si shqet?suese prirja e Kushnerit p?r ta injoruar t?r?sisht faktorin shqiptar n? Kosov? koh?ve t? fundit kur ai u b?n? premtime serb?ve n? llogari t? shqiptar?ve. P?rveq injorimit t? shqiptar?ve me rastin e arritjes s? marr?veshjes me serb?t jav?n e kaluar, para nj? muaj ai vendosi q? n? OKB duhej t? ftoheshin vet?m serb?t dhe se vet?m z?ri i tyre meritonte t? nd?gjohej para trupit t? K?shillit t? Sigurimit. Kjo padyshim, p?rveq q? ishte gjest ofendues kund?r shqiptar?ve, tregonte haptas nj?anshm?rin? e Kushnerit, gj? q? p?r t? njejt?n gj? at? dikur e akuzonin serb?t. "Pwrsonalisht, un? vazhdimisht kam mbajtur an?n e atyre q? vuajn," u citua t? ket? th?n? ai n? The New York Times duke theksuar se k?saj here pala q? "vuante" ishin serb?t.. Q?ndrimi i Kushnerit edhe k?saj here shkaktoi reagim nga amerikan?t dhe detyroi ambasadorin Ric?rd Hollbruk q? t? distancohej publikisht duke th?n? se veprimi i OKB-s? (Kushnerit) ishte i papranuesh?m. Mir?po imitimi i serb?ve nga pala shqiptare p?r t? bojkotuar pun?n e nd?rkomb?tar?ve nuk ?sht? zgjidhje. Bojkotimi mund t? vlej? vet?m sa p?r t? t?rhequr v?rejtjen p?rkoh?sisht por bojkotimi i vazhduesh?m vet?m sa do t'ju krijoj? edhe m? shum? antagonizma n? Per?ndim shqiptar?ve. E vetmja m?nyr? p?r t'ju kund?rvuar nj?anshm?ris? s? Per?ndimit (i cili desh?n s'desh?n q? ta pranojn? disa shqiptar? e ka shp?tuar Kosov?n nga spastrimi total) n? k?t? koh? ?sht? unifikimi i z?rit p?rmes angazhimit intenziv "nga brenda," pra p?rmes UNMIK-ut dhe NATO-s t? realizojn? at? q? shqiptar?t e kan? pritur kaq shum? koh? - zgjedhjet t? cilat do t? njihen si legale dhe demokratike. Cdo rrug? tjet?r q? qon n? konfrontim t? shqiptar?ve me nd?rkomb?tar?t dhe midis veti, garanton humje t? shansit t? vet?m q? u ?sht? dh?n? atyre ndonj?her? p?r ta realizuar nj? dit? pavar?sin? e Kosov?s. N? se dikush dyshon n? k?t?, at?her? le t? p?rkujtoj? periudh?n janar-qershor t? vitit 1999. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. _______________________________________________________ This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. Veprimet e Kushnerit jane shqetesuese,qka presim ne shqiptaret nga Kushneri dhe klika e tije,mos te harrojme se ai Kushneri eshte Francez sikur ata qe e ndane Mitrovicen. E nder te tjera nuke varet aq shume fati yne nga Kushneri por nga vete ne shqiptaret dhe "Politikanet" tane, te cilet sillen ne menyre injoruese ndaj disa gjerave ,te cilat do te jene vendimtare per te ardhmen e Kosoves. Qka do te ndodh me ne Shqiptaret, ne raste se psh:Rugova e pranon nje veprim te Kushnerit i cili do ta sillte vdekjen e Pavarsise e Thaqi do ta refuzonte;apo ne te kunderten Thaqi pranon e Rugova jo,der kur do te veprojne "Politikanet" tane per e me inate te njeri tjetrit. Zgjohuni Shqiptare se ora eshte edhe pese minuta ne dymbedhjete,o Sote o kurre se neser do te jete me teper se vone. <<"Do t? ishte interesant t? shihej reagimi n? fytyrat e ebrenj?ve po qe se menj?her? pas p?rfundimit t? Luft?s s? Dyt? Bot?rore, t'ju propozohej dicka e ngjashme - pra t'ju thuhej se "ju tani duhet t? bashk?jetoni me nazist?t gjerman?">> Sikuse ne Shqiptaret te ishim te vetedijshem dhe te organizuar sikurse Hebrenjet, nuke do ti kishim pasur punet ashtu siq i kemi sote. Dhe parasegjithash ne duhet (per te miren e se ardhmes tone)te bashkejetojme ,por vetem me ata Serbe te cilet nuke i kane duart e lyera me Gjake;te mirremi se pari me veteveten, ta realizojme njehere e pergjithmone kete enderr te kahmoteshme PAVARESINE,e pastaj do te kemi kohe me shume te merremi edhe me serbet,sepse do te jete me lehte kur ta kemi pushtetin vete ne dore e jo Kushneri apo Prinz Vidi e ku ta di une se kushtjeter;spse ne te gjithe e dime se Serbet ne raste se do te vije dita e Pavaresise se Kosoves te gjithe do te ikin ,sepse ata jane mesuar te jene vetem ne pozita udheheqese. Keta serbe qe kane mbete ne Kosove jane dore e zgjatur e Milosheviqit per te ber diversime dhe probleme duke u munduar ti tregojne Botes se ja Shqiptaret nuke jane te zote te udheheqin dhe nuke duan te kene minoritete;ose ata i mbane ende shpresa se nje dite prape do te vije ushtria serbe dhe do te jene prape ata serbet qe qeverisnin me Kosoven,prandaj o vellezer Shqipetar dhe ju o "Politaikanje"kujdes dhe mblidhni mesime nga keto pesimet tona te fundit ne njeqindvjetet e fundit Pershendetje te Gjithe Shqipetareve ku jane hajro From kosova at jps.net Wed Jul 12 11:48:30 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:48:30 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: TMK sulmohet ne kongresin amerikan Message-ID: TMK sulmohet ne kongresin amerikan Ne rrezik 5 milione dollare ndihme Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 12 korrik, 2000) Per gazeten Zeri, Prishtine Nj? grup ligj?v?n?sish me prejardhje sllave n? kongresin amerikan vazhdon p?rpjekjet p?r pengimin e misionit nd?rkomb?tar n? Kosov?. K?saj here n? sh?njest?r jan? Trupat Mbrojt?se t? Kosov?s. Dje pritej q? n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve t? paraqitej nj? amendament p?r votim i cili, po qe se aprovohet, anulon shum?n prej 5 milion dollar?sh t? caktuar p?r TMK-n? p?r k?t? vit. Sipas raporteve n? shtyp TMK financohet kryesisht nga Shtetet e Bashkuara dhe Gjermania. Autori i k?tij amandamenti ?sht? kongresisti me prejardhje kroate, Denis Kuciniq, an?tar i Partis? Demokrate nga Ohio, shtet ku ka nj? p?rq?ndrim t? theksuar t? komunitetit serb. Nj? nj? let?r q? u d?rgoi koleg?ve t? tij n? kongres t? mart?n Kuciniq k?rkon mb?shtetje p?r amandamentin e tij, duke i th?n? ?jo? ndihm?s amerikane p?r TMK-n? q? ai e quan t? ?pap?rgjegj?shme.? Duke cituar nj? raport ?t? brendsh?m dhe t? pabotuar? t? Kombeve t? Bashkuara t? dat?s 29 shkurt, Kuciniq e akuzon TMK-n? p?r ?dhun?, grabitje, vrasje, tortur? dhe p?rdhunime.? Kongresisti nga Ohio gjithashtu p?rdor? nj? artikull t? botuar n? gazet?n britanike Guardian ku citohet raporti i OKB-s? duke e marr? nj? shembull nga nj? rast n? Dragash ku me dat?n 11 shkurt policia e OKB-s? ka arrestuar ?dy an?tar? t? TMK-s? dhe tre t? tjer? n? lidhje me vrasjen e nj? gorani etnik.? ?Argumenti i Kuciniqit ?sht? sikurse dikush t? insitonte q? t?r? Forc?s Policore t? Los Angjellosit ti nd?rpriteshin fondet sepse disa nga polic?t e k?saj force e kan? thyer ligjin,? shkruan n? reagimin me shkrim K?shilli Komb?tar Shqiptaro-Amerikan (KKSHA) me seli n? Uashington. Drejtori ekzekutiv i k?tij k?shilli, Ilir Zherka tha se letra reaguese e organizat?s q? ai p?rfaq?son u ?sht? d?rguar t? gjith? ligj?v?n?sve duke i inkurrajuar ata q? t? votojn? me ?jo? kund?r amandamentit t? Kuciniqit. Megjith?se nuk ishte e qart? se cfar? fati do t? gjente amandamenti n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve, Zherka e pranoi se ?n? fund t? fundit do t? mvaret se sa do t? angazhohet Sht?pia e Bardh? dhe Departmenti i Shtetit p?r ta paraqitur t? v?rtet?n p?r TMK-n? para ligj?v?n?sve.? N? letr?n e KKSHA-s? theksohet fakti se pjestar?t e U?K-s? jan? carmatosur vullnetarisht ?n? p?rpjekje e sip?r p?r t?u b?r? nj? forc? pozitive p?r rind?rtimin e Kosov?s,? dhe se amandamenti i Kuciniqit do t? d?nonte t? gjith? an?tar?t e Trupave Mbrojt?se t? Kosov?s p?r shkak t? veprave t? disa individ?ve. Kuciniq p?rpiqet q? n? amandamentin e tij ta paraqet TMK-n? si nj? U?K me em?r tjet?r dhe merr shembullin se Agim cekut, ish kryesues i UcK-s? tani e kryeson TMK-n?. I pyetur nga nj? gazetar sa a mos kishte amandamenti i kongresistit me prejardhje kroate lidhje ndoshma me ndjenjat personale t? tij ndaj ish presidentit kroat, Franjo Tuxhman, n? ushtrin? e t? cilit ka sh?rbyer ceku, nj? z?dh?n?s i zyr?s s? Kuciniqit u p?rgjigj: ?Kjo pyetje ?sht? absurde ? iniciativa e kongresisit ?sht? thjesht? c?shtje e t? drejtave t? njeriut.? Kongresisti Kucinich ?sht? an?tar i komitetit p?r t? drejtat e njeriut n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve, insitucion ky q? nuk e ka par? politik?n e ish presidentit kroat m? sy t? mir?. Kucinich ?sht? nj?ri nga kat?r ligj?v?n?sit me prejardhje sllave n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?sues?ve ? ai dhe Xhon Kasiq (autor i amandamentit t? d?shtuar p?r t?rheqjen e forcave amerikane nga Kosova) jan? me prejardhje kroate, kurse Rod Blagojeviq dhe Xhorxh Vojinoviq kan? prejardhje serbe. Q? t? gjith? k?ta kan? qen? aktiv n? Kongres rreth c?shtjes p?r ish Jugosllavin? dhe angazhimit amerikan n? te. Kurse n? an?n tjet?r z?ri i shqiptar?ve n? Kongres sivjet ?sht? zbehur, kreysisht p?r shkak t? angazhimit n? fushat?n p?r rizgjedhje t? kongresistit Eliot Engel. Kongresisti i njohur p?r mbrojtjen e t? drejtave t? shqiptar?ve dhe nj?herit bashk?kryetar dhe themelues i K?shillit p?r c?shtje Shqiptare n? Kongres, thuhet se ka rrezik q? t?i humb zgjedhjet para kund?rkandidatit t? tij zezak nga Bronksi. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From aridobroshi at yahoo.com Wed Jul 12 15:42:20 2000 From: aridobroshi at yahoo.com (Arianit Dobroshi) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me nevojitet pasaporta Message-ID: <20000712194220.6950.qmail@web1506.mail.yahoo.com> Tung! A keni ndonje ide se si mund ta nxerri nje pasaporte per nje kohe te shkurter. UNMIK-u eshte shume i ngadalshem, tek serbet nuk dua. Ndonje ide tjeter? Tung! Niti __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From puka at usa.net Wed Jul 12 18:09:30 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: 12 Jul 00 18:09:30 EDT Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Me nevojitet pasaporta] Message-ID: <20000712220930.12479.qmail@nwcst293.netaddress.usa.net> A ke fitu naj azil najkah ? >Tung! >A keni ndonje ide se si mund ta nxerri nje pasaporte >per nje kohe te shkurter. UNMIK-u eshte shume i >ngadalshem, tek serbet nuk dua. Ndonje ide tjeter? >Tung! >Niti ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de Fri Jul 14 02:26:41 2000 From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Gezim RUGOVA) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:26:41 +0200 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajmi i ketij mijevjecari!!! Message-ID: <396EB2A0.826DEE6A@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> Jeni kurreshtar te dini se cili eshte lami i ketij mijevjecari. Jo nuk eshte lajme as publikimi i listave te zeza kohe me pare ne shtypin tone per likuidimin e kundershtarve politik ne Kosove, as nuk eshte lajme hapja e zjarrit afer rezidences se Rugoves, as jeta e njerezve neper tende nje vit pas lufte, as humbja e italianeve ne kampionatin evropian, as ... Lajme i ketij shekulli eshte ardhje e Fatos Nanos dhe me vone e Ilir Metes ne RTK. RTK-ja si mikeprites per nder te mysafirve te larte, ju kushton seclit nga nje ore live ne emisione te ndare se te pkten ti kish ftuar te dy ne nje emision sebashku nuk do te ishte tragjedia aq e madhe. Kush eshte ai qe shikon Fatos Nanon nje ore live ne RTK, apo RTK-ja bejne plotesime deshirash e jo program per shikuesit? Pershendetje Gezimi From AVuniqi at aol.com Fri Jul 14 03:38:05 2000 From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:38:05 EDT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Letra juaj shpeton nje te ri (vetem anglisht) Message-ID: <5b.8862979.26a01d5d@aol.com> Per t'i ndihmuar Luanit ju lutem te gjithe lexuesve sidomos te atyre qe gjenden ne SHBA t'i shkruajne leter gjykatesit per te influencuart te ai qe Luanin mos ta kethejne ne Kosove. Cdo leter e juaja eshte ndihme per te. Ai ka nevoje per ndihmen tone, vetem nje leter e juaja.... letrat duhet te dergohen ne anglishte dhe ate deri me 07.14.2000 ne ora 16:00 sipas kohes amerikane. JUDGE HACKER FAX-i 1(810)230-1231 (te jeni serioz ne vleresime ju lutem, mos deshtoni) Luan Goci (i lindur me 19 janar 1975, e ka leshuar Kosoven me 1990-91 dhe ka shkuar ne Londer per shkak se e kane kerkuar te shkonte ne sherbimin ushtarak te ish "APJ"-se, atje ka qendruar deri ne vitin 1994, pastaj ka ardhe ne Amerike per tu bashkuar me familje) ai ka pasur nje e fatkeqesi komunikacioni gjate se ciles ka vdeke nje vajze 17 vjecare ndersa Luani ka qene i lenduar rende. Ne naten kritike Luani ka qene ne caffe te nje kusheri i tij, ate e ka lutur nje kamariere qe ta vozise vajzen e saj deri ne shtepi meqe i kishte lene dy femije te vegjel, Luani ka pranuar dhe gjate vozitjes vajza e ka lutur qe ta vozise pak meqe i kishte pelqyer vetura. Po ate nate ne dalje te express-it ne nje shpejtesi te madhe rrokulliset kerri ne te cilen peson amerikanja ndersa ky i derguar ne "shok dhome" sherohet. Pas sherimit te tij deri sa ishte ne liri per cdo dite e kishte vizituar varrin e saj. Me vone ai gjykohet dhe burgoset me nje vit heqje lirie. Problemi qendron se atij i duhen edhe 6 muaj per te plotesuar kushtet per shtetesi amerikane dhe se posedon me green karte. Eshte veshtiresuar qendrimi i tij i metejme ne SHBA meqe gjykatesit qe do te vendos a do ta kethejne ne Kosove apo jo? i kane shkruar mbi 150 qytetare duke e cilesuar ate si kriminel dhe se eshte i rrezikshem per rrethin dmth problemi qendron me Immigration, duhet bindur gjykatesin se ai nuk eshte vetem. Faxi i Judge Hacker eshte 1(810) 230-1231 Per njoftime me te hollsishme drejtohuni te avokatja Julia L. Black tel. 1(810) 230-1415 office From atelaku at lehman.com Fri Jul 14 15:40:14 2000 From: atelaku at lehman.com (Telaku, Agron) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:40:14 -0400 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Letra juaj shpeton nje te ri (vetem anglisht) Message-ID: Me vjen keq per fatketqesine e Luanit. Kam nje pyetje: 1. Cila ishte arsya konkrete (ne dokumente) e thene/shkruar nga [JUDGE HACKER?] per marrjen e nje vite lirie? > -----Original Message----- > From: AVuniqi at aol.com [SMTP:AVuniqi at aol.com] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 3:38 AM > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Letra juaj shpeton nje te ri (vetem anglisht) > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > Per t'i ndihmuar Luanit ju lutem te gjithe lexuesve sidomos te atyre qe > gjenden ne SHBA t'i shkruajne leter gjykatesit per te influencuart te ai > qe > Luanin mos ta kethejne ne Kosove. Cdo leter e juaja eshte ndihme per te. > Ai > ka nevoje per ndihmen tone, vetem nje leter e juaja.... letrat duhet te > dergohen ne anglishte dhe ate deri me 07.14.2000 ne ora 16:00 sipas kohes > amerikane. > JUDGE HACKER FAX-i 1(810)230-1231 (te jeni serioz ne vleresime ju lutem, > mos > deshtoni) > Luan Goci (i lindur me 19 janar 1975, e ka leshuar Kosoven me 1990-91 dhe > ka > shkuar ne Londer per shkak se e kane kerkuar te shkonte ne sherbimin > ushtarak > te ish "APJ"-se, atje ka qendruar deri ne vitin 1994, pastaj ka ardhe ne > Amerike per tu bashkuar me familje) ai ka pasur nje e fatkeqesi > komunikacioni gjate se ciles ka vdeke nje vajze 17 vjecare ndersa Luani ka > > qene i lenduar rende. Ne naten kritike Luani ka qene ne caffe te nje > kusheri > i tij, ate e ka lutur nje kamariere qe ta vozise vajzen e saj deri ne > shtepi > meqe i kishte lene dy femije te vegjel, Luani ka pranuar dhe gjate > vozitjes > vajza e ka lutur qe ta vozise pak meqe i kishte pelqyer vetura. Po ate > nate > ne dalje te express-it ne nje shpejtesi te madhe rrokulliset kerri ne te > cilen peson amerikanja ndersa ky i derguar ne "shok dhome" sherohet. Pas > sherimit te tij deri sa ishte ne liri per cdo dite e kishte vizituar > varrin > e saj. Me vone ai gjykohet dhe burgoset me nje vit heqje lirie. Problemi > qendron se atij i duhen edhe 6 muaj per te plotesuar kushtet per shtetesi > amerikane dhe se posedon me green karte. Eshte veshtiresuar qendrimi i tij > i > metejme ne SHBA meqe gjykatesit qe do te vendos a do ta kethejne ne Kosove > > apo jo? i kane shkruar mbi 150 qytetare duke e cilesuar ate si kriminel > dhe > se eshte i rrezikshem per rrethin dmth problemi qendron me Immigration, > duhet > bindur gjykatesin se ai nuk eshte vetem. > > Faxi i Judge Hacker eshte 1(810) 230-1231 > > Per njoftime me te hollsishme drejtohuni te avokatja Julia L. Black tel. > 1(810) 230-1415 office > _______________________________________________________ > This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From kosova at jps.net Fri Jul 14 16:08:09 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:08:09 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Abramovic: Po qe se themeloni institucione demokratike Message-ID: Abramovic: Po qe se themeloni institucione demokratike, do te keni shkuar bukur larg ne themlimin e pavaresise se Kosov?s Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 13 korrik, 2000) P?r revist?n javore Z?ri, Prishtin? Mort?n Ambramovic (Morton Abramo?itz) ?sht? ish ambasador amerikan n? Tajland? dhe Turqi si dhe ish ndihm?ssekretar shteti p?r inteligjenc? dh? hulumtime n? administrat?n e ish Presidentit Ronald Regan. Ai ishte edhe k?shilltar (n? prapavj?) i delegacionit kosovar? n? konferenc?n p?r paqe n? Rambuje, Franc?. Abramovic ?sht? an?tar? dhe themelues i nj? grupi "think tank," Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s, q? n? gjirin e vet brenda pes? vjet?sh ka grumbulluar emra t? njohur mendimtar?sh, ish udh?heq?sish dhe specialist?sh t? rajoneve t? ndryshme n?p?r bot?. Abramovic, nj?ri nd?r z?rat m? t? respektuesh?m n? Uashington p?r politik?n e jshtme, ?sht? p?rkrah?s i ides? p?r pavar?sin? e Kosov?s. Pas kthimit t? tij nga Kosova ku ai ishte p?r nj? vizit? disadit?she koh?ve t? fundit, ish ndihm?ssekretari amerikan i shtetit b?ri nj? bised? rreth burimeve t? konflikti dhe problemeve tjera n? Kosov? me revist?n javore "Z?ri" q? botohet n? Prishtin?. Z?ri: A pajtoheni se nj? nd?r burimet e konfliktit ?sht? denoncimi i shqiptar?ve nga nd?rkomb?tar?t dhe media e huaj n? nj? an? dhe moskufizimi i influenc?s s? Millosheviqit n? Kosov? si dhe mungesa e rezultatit n? rind?rtimin e Kosov?s, n? an?n tjet?r? Abramovic: Po, t? gjitha k?to q? p?rmendet jan? burime konflikti n? Kosov?. Kosovar?t nuk po b?jn? sa duhet, Milosheviqi ka influenc? t? madhe brenda Kosov?s, nd?rsa rind?rtimi ka ngecur duksh?m. Sa u p?rket shqiptar?ve, ata e kan? si obligim q? t'i mbrojn? minoritetet - ose do ta b?jn? k?t? pun? vet shqiptar?t ose komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar? do t? detyrohet q? t? d?rgoi trupa shtes? p?r t'i mbrojtur jo-shqiptar?t. Nd?rsa kur ?sht? fjala p?r Milosheviqin, influenca e tij shtrihet n? t?r? rajonin dhe sidomos n? Mitrovic?, ku ai ?sht? duke i furnizuar serb?t me materiale nd?rsa komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar? rri duarkryq dhe e ka pranuar influenc?n e tij. T? gjitha k?to probleme duhet t? korrigjohen sa m? par? sepse ato krijojn? tensione dhe jan? burim shqet?simesh. Z?ri: Nj? nd?r burimet tjera t? konfliktit ?sht? edhe Mitrovica dhe m?nyra se si francez?t praktikisht kan? lejuar ndarjen e k?tij qyteti dhe m? k?t? edhe t? ndarjes s? Kosov?s. Ta z?m? se Presidenti Klinton t? fton nes?r dhe t? thot?: "Zoti Ambasador, t? lut?m ma zgjith? k?t? problem." Si do ta k?shilloje? Abramovic: K?tu nuk ka shkop magjik dhe Mitrovica v?rtet? ?sht? problem serioz. N? nj?r?n an? mund t? themi se rajoni n? fakt ?sht? ndar?, nd?rsa n? an?n tjet?r komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar po p?rpiqet q? ta trajtoj? k?t? problem me shum? kujdes duke inicuar mund?sin? e dialogut midis dy pal?ve. Heretavon? nd?rkomb?tar?t do t? detyrohen q? ta inkorperojn? Mitrovic?n me pjes?n tjet?r t? Kosov?s, gj? q? nuk do t? jet? leht?. Ekziston frika nga dhuna dhe situata n? Mitrovic? vertet? ?sht? e rrezikshme dhe m? t? th?n? t? v?rtet?n nuk kam shkop magjik p?r k?t? problem. Nj? nd?r problemet me Mitrovic?n dhe m? t?r? rajonin ?sht? se secili po pret q? Millosheviqi t? largohet, q? shikuar realitetin, nuk duket se do t? ndodh? nj? gj? e till?. E t?r? c?shtja e Kosov?s, dhe c?shtjet tjera n? rajon, si p?r shembull Mali i Zi, ende kan? mbetur t? lidhura me nocionin se gj?rat do t? p?rmir?sohen posa ta kemi vendosur nj? regjim t? ri n? Beograd. Pritja p?r largimin e Milosheviqit nuk besoj se do t? jep far rezultati sepsa largimi i tij nuk po duket se ?sht? iminent, por kushedi, nes?r ndodhta dikush do ta rr?zoj at? nga froni. Z?ri: Nj? brim tjet?r i konfliktit jan? t? burgosurit politik? dhe t? zhdukurit. Krijohet p?rshtypja se komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar ?sht? m? shum? i preokupuar me kthimin e serb?ve n? Kosov? se sa n? kthimin e t? burgosur?ve. Abramovic: Un? mendoj se t? gjith? jan? t? preokupuar dhe t? shqet?suar p?r fatin e t? burgosur?ve. c?shtja k?tu nuk ?sht? ndonj? dirkriminim m? q?llim kund?r shqiptar?ve. Ndoshta nuk mjafton retorika e nd?rkomb?atr?ve p?r t? b?r? trysni m? tep?r, por nuk jam shum? i sigurt p?r k?t? sepse nuk e kam p?rcjellur k?t? c?shtje p?r s? af?rmi. Kuptohet se kjo ?sht? nj? c?shtje tejet? e r?nd?sishme p?r shqiptar?t dhe nj? c?shtje q? komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar? duhet t? p?rq?ndrohet m? tep?r n? te. Ndoshta ka dicka q? po zhvillohet n? prapasken? lidhur me k?t? problem. Sidoqoft? t? burgosurit jan? pjes? e c?shtjes s? p?rgjithshme t? problemit -- si ta ndryshosh Beogradin? Z?ri: c?shtja e pavar?sis? s? Kosov?s ndoshta ?sht? burimi m? i madh i konfliktit n? Kosov?. UNMIK dhe NATO jan? ngarkuar me detyr?n e nd?rtimit t? institucoioneve q? l?jn? Kosov?n pjes? t? Serbis? apo t? RFJ-j?. Mir?po shum? mendimtar? si ju jan? t? mendimit se pavar?sia ?sht? e realizueshme. A ka far? shenjash se n? qeverin? amerikane do t? ndryshoj? dicka lishur m? k?t?? Abramovic: Nuk kam v?rjetur se ka far? ndryshimesh n? pozicionin e qeveris? sa i p?rket pavar?sis? s? Kosov?s. M? lejoni q? t? jap mendimin tim lidhur m? k?t?. Pik? s? pari kemi t? b?jm? me nj? situat? tejet? t? cuditshme ku komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar ?sht? ngarkuar me detyr?n q? t? nd?rtoj? institucione vet?qeveris?se n? Kosov?, gj? q? do t? jet? tep?r v?shtir?. Gjat? udh?timit tim n? Kosov? u takova me serb?t q? jan? kund?r Milosheviqit, Kryepeshkopi Artemije dhe At Sava dhe ata ishin t? prer? n? iden? se regjimi serb - jo regjimi i Milosheviqit - bashk? me serb?t e ikur do t? kthehen n? Kosov?. Ky q?ndrim paraqet probleme serioze dhe p?r k?t? arsye ?sht? m? r?nd?si q? komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar duhet t? vazhdoj? n? nd?rtimin e insitutcioneve n? Kosov?. Kuptohet se k?to institucione duhet t? jen? efektive - udh?heq?sit kosovar? duhet t? angashohen n? udh?heqjen e vendit t? tyre pas zgjedhjeve. Rrjedh pyetja se a do t? jen? k?ta udh?heq?s demokrarik?, a do t? jen? n? gjendje t'i mbrojn? minoritar?t dhe a do t? jen? n? gjendje q? t? krijojn? kushte ku minoritetet do t? p?rfaq?sohen n? qeverin? e re kosovare? Tani p?r tani gj?ra t? tilla nuk ekzistojn? n? Kosov?. Po qe se themeloni institucione demokratike, do te keni shkuar bukur larg n? themlimin e pavar?sis? s? Kosov?s dhe zvog?limin e cdo mund?sie t? kthimit t? ndonj? regjimi nga Beogradi. Mir?po n? se institucionet demokratike nuk vendos?n n? vend, at?her? nuk e di se cfar? marr?dh?njesh do t? vendos?n midis Beogradit dhe Kosov?s. Nuk ?sht? e sigurt se si do t? vendos? komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar? n? at? rast. Prandaj mendoj se ?sht? shum? m? r?nd?si q? n? dy vjet?t e ardhshme populli i Kosov?s t? krijon institucione t? v?rteta demokratike p?r mbrojtjen e minoritetetve, gj? q? nuk ekzistojn? aktualisht. Komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar? duhet t? b?j? gjithcka ?sht? e mundur p?r t? krijuar institucione t? mir?fillta, q? t? siguroj? zgjedhje t? rregullta dhe t? pranueshme dhe se qeveria q? vjen si rezultat i k?tyre zgjedhjeve ?sht? e gatshme q? t'i pranoj? normat dhe obligimet e komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar. Z?ri: Por a mendoni se problemi ?sht? tek shqiptar?t se gjoja nuk po e "nd?gjojn?" kumunitetin nd?rkomb?tar apo ?sht? mungesa e institucioneve ku shqiptar?t mund t? venin gurin e themelit p?r nj? Kosov? demokratike? Abramovic: N? k?t? moment mungojn? institucionet shqiptare - kemi t? b?j? me nj? num?r udh?heq?sish shqiptar? me pikpamje t? ndryshme, kemi t? b?j? me sulme t? motivuara etnikisht, kemi t? b?j? me hakmarrje dhe kemi t? b?j? me munges?n e sistemit juridik. P?r k?t? nuk ?sht? faji i shqiptar?ve, sepse komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar nuk ka qen? efektiv n? krijimin e nj? sistemi juridik dhe nj? force policore etj, etj. K?shtu q? nuk dua t? them se ?sht? t?r?sisht faji i shqiptar?ve apo i komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar, por dua t? them se brenda dy vitesh shqiptar?t duhet t? krijojn? nj? sistem q? do t? jet? i pranuesh?m p?r komunitetin nd?rkomb?tar. Po q? se shqiptar?t e humbin p?rkrahjen e t? huajve, ata do t? jen? t? rrezikuar. P?r shkak se ata jan? aq? t? mvarur nga komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar p?r sigurin? e tyre, nuk mendoj se duhet t?rhequr t?r?sisht forcat nd?rkomb?tare nga aty. Nuk e di se kur do t? t?rhiqen t?r?sisht paq?ruajt?sit nga Kosova, por nuk besoj se ata do t? t?rhiq?n n? nj? t? ardhme t? af?rt. Shum? gj?ra mvar?n edhe n? faktin se cfar? do t? ndodh? n? Beograd. Mandej mendoj se Kosova dhe Serbia duhet q? dikur t? fillojn? nj?far? dialogu , sepse ato nuk mund t? jetojn? p?rgjithmon? n? armiq?si dhe n?n v?shgimin e komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar. E kuptoj se kjo ?sht? nj? tem? e v?shtir? dhe askush nuk mund t? jep nj? udh?rr?fim t? cart? se si cfar? rruge duhej t? ndiqej n? k?t? drejtim. Z?ri: Zgjedhjet n? Kosov? - a do t? ndryshojn? dicka dhe n? se po, cka? Abramovic: Edhe pse nuk do t? ket? far? ndryshimi kozmik, zgjedhjet lokale n? Kosov? do ta fillojn? nj? proces ku kosovar?t do t? fillojn? t? b?jn? gj?rat vet; do t? fillojn? q? t? definojn? se kush jan? udh?heq?sit e tyre dhe kush do t? jan? partit? udh?heq?se. Siq q?ndron puna tani, si mund ta p?rcaktosh se kush ?sht? udh?heq?s n? Kosov?? Megjithat? ?sht? shum? m? r?nd?si q? arm?t mos t? p?rcaktojn? rrjedhat e zgjedhjeve. Ky ?sht? nj? shqet?sim q? kan? shum? nj?r?z. Nj? shqet?sim tjetr?r ?sht? media, p?r t? cil?n mendohet s? ?sht? e shitur. Un? mendoj se procesi i zgjedhjeve ?sht? shum? m? r?nd?si p?r t? filluar nd?rtimin e entitetit t? Kosov?s t? udh?hequr nga njer?zit e saj. Por n? se zgjedhjet d?shtojn?, pa marr? parasysh shkakun, at?her? do t? rrezikohen zgjedhjet komb?tare gjith?-kosovare, t? cilat jan? shum? m? m? r?nd?si p?r t? p?rcaktuar se kush do ta udh?heq Kosov?n. Heretavon?, komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar duhet t? heq dor? nga udh?heqja e Kosov?s p?r t'ja dor?zuar at? institucioneve q? do ta udh?hiqnin Kosov?n n? m?nyr? demokratike. Z?ri: Thirrjet e disave n? Kongres p?r gjetjen e nj? strategjie daljeje jan? edhe nj? burim tjet?r konflikti, sepse shqiptar?t e kan? parasysh se pa forcat amerikane n? Kosov? siguria e tyre do vihej n? pikpyetje serioze. Abramovic: Nuk besoj se forcat amerikane do t? largohen p?r nj? koh? t? gjat?. Por ju duhet ta kuptoni se shtetet demokratike i bazojn? vendimet e tyre n? mas? dhe n? disponimin e popullit. Po q? se m?bshtetja popullore nd?rkomb?tare p?r shqiptar?t e Kosov?s q? ishte shum? e theksuar n? vitet 1998-99 zbehet, kjo v?rtet? do t? ishte nj? fatkeq?si. Vota n? Kongres ishte pjes?risht nj? p?rpjekje p?r t'i shtyr? evropian?t q? t? marrin m? shum? p?rgjegj?si p?r Kosov?n. Arsyeja pse amerikan?t bejn? trysni ndaj Evrop?s ?sht? sepse forcat amerikane jan? m? t? besueshmet dhe pa to evropian?t do t? ziheshin ngusht. Prandaj amerik?n?t presin q? Evropa t? b?j? m? shum? sa i p?rket sigurimit t? fondeve, md?rsa roli amerikan t? mbetetm? shum? n? l?min e siguris?. Z?ri: A do t? pajtohej Uashingtoni me faljen e Milosehviqit dhe lejimin e tij q? t? pensionohej diku me siguri t? garantuar p?r te, familjen dhe pasurin? e tij personale q? thuhet se nuk ?sht? e vog?l? Abramovic: Personalisht, nuk besoj se qeveria amerikane do t? b?nt? nj? marr?veshje t? till? me Milosehviqin. Kjo do t? ishte tep?r, tep?r e pakapshme. Mir?po ekzistojn? disa njer?z q? do t? d?shironin q? ai t? largohej. Por jam skeptik se ka dicka konkrete n? at? drejtim. Z?ri: A ka mund?si q? SHBA t? mbyllin syt? nd?rsa t? tjer?t b?jn? marr?veshje me Milosheviqin? Abramovic: Kjo ?sht? nj? pyetje hipotetike. SHBA-t? kan? q?ndrim t? prer? n? k?t? dretim e q? thot? se Milosehviqi si kriminel i luft?s duhet t? gjykohet n? Hag? si e vetmja m?nyr? p?r ta zgjidhur problemin. Z?ri: A mendomni se v?rtet? Milosheviqi do t? del para gjyqit ndonj?her?? Abramovic: Nuk e p?rjashtoj mund?sin?. Mir?po gjithnj? ekziston edhe "zgjidhja" causheskane p?r te. Tani p?r tani nuk duket se ekziston mund?sia q? Milosheviqi t? del para gjyqit, por gjb?rat mund t? ndryshojn?. Por nd?rkoh? duhet t? b?jm? c'mos q? ta izolojm? dhe mos ta lejojm? q? ai t? ket? influenc? n? Bosnj? dhe Kosov?. Z?ri: Inkuadrimi i Rusis? n? Kosov? dhe gjestet q? ka b?r? Moska deri me tash kan? treguar se rus?ve nuk mund t'ju besohet. Abramovic: Mendoj se inkuadrimi i rus?ve (n? Kosov?) ka qen? mjaft? i prapsht dhe I pap?rgjegj?si dhe edhe pse na kan? ndihmuar p?r ta arritur marr?veshjen (me Serbin?) shih se k?nd ata po e mb?shtesin sot: Milosheviqin dhe Sadam Huseinin! Si mund ta admirosh nj? gjest t? till? t? Rusis?? Rus?t do t? mund ta detyronin Milosheviqin q? t? vepronte ndryshe, por vendos?n t? kund?rt?n p?r nj? varg arsyesh. Un? gjithmon? kam qen? i mendimit se Jugoslavia, Bosnia, Kosova kan? qen? c?shtje t? vogla p?r Rusin? por vazhdimisht kishte z?nka midis elit?s ruse p?r k?t? duke e paraqitur k?t? rajon si tejet? t? r?nd?sish?m p?r ta. Mandaj ata vazhdimisht e kan? egzagjeruar zgjerimin e NATO-s, duke i dh?n? k?shtu shans? k?saj elite p?r t? k?rkuar m?nyra dhe raste p?r t'ju kund?rvu SHBA-ve. Z?ri: Ju keni qen? forca intelektuale mbrapa politik?s s? t? ahstuquajturit "intervenim humanitar" siq ishte ai n? Kosov?* Abramovic: Po, theksi im kryesor ishte se d?shtimi i SHBA-ve p?r t? nd?rhyr? q? n? fillim t? konfliktit ka q?n? nj? fatkeq?si. Vendimi i Per?ndimit p?r t? mos nd?rhyr? gjithmon? ka p?rfunduar n? vdekjen e shum? personave, n? humbjen e shum? parave dhe shkaktimin e shum? komplikimeve politike. Nd?rsa nuk ?sht? gjithmon? e cart se si duhet t? veprohet n? ato raste, mendoj se d?shtimi p?r t? intervenuar n? vitin 1991-92 n? Krocai dhe Bosnj? si dhe n? vitin 1996-97 n? Kosov? shkaktoj? shum? m? shum? probleme. Pra c?shtja kryesore ishte se si t'i bind?sh shtetet demokratrike q? t? reagojn? ndaj terrorit t? mundsh?m para se t? zhvendos?n miliona njer?z dhe qindra-mij?ra t? jen? vrar?? P?rgjigja k?tu ?sht? e v?shtir?, por q?ndrimi im ishte q? n? fund ne (Per?ndimi) do t? detyrohemi, jo vet?m t? nd?rhyjm?, por edhe t? shpenzojm? rreth 100 milion? dollar? p?r rind?rtimin e Bosnj?s dhe Kosov?s. Si shkas i pamund?sis? p?r t? nd?rhyr? me vorc? dhe vendosm?ri n? fillim (n? ish Jugosllavi) ne sot jemi d?shmitar? t? vrasjes s? 200-300 mij? njer?zve. Z?ri: Si e sheh Ballkanin n? dhjet? vjet?t e ardhshme? Abramovic: Nuk di se si t'i p?rgjigjem k?saj pyetje. cfar? do t? d?shiroja t? shoh ?sht? nj? Ballkan ku shtetet e tij fillojn? nj? proces p?rmes t? cilit p?rq?ndrimi kryesor do t? ishte n? gjetjen e rrug?ve p?r pranim n? Bashkimin Evropian. Un? nuk besoj n? rajonalizma p?r t? luajtur rolin kryesor n? ndryshimin e Ballkanit. Un? shikoj kah evropianizimi p?r ta luajtur rolin vendimntar p?r ndryshimet n? Ballkanit. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From kosova at jps.net Fri Jul 14 16:10:38 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:10:38 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?Windows-1252?Q?Lajme:_Amandamenti_kunder_TMK_=22ka_mundesi_t=EB_perkr?= =?Windows-1252?Q?ahet=22?= Message-ID: Amandamenti kunder TMK "ka mundesi t? perkrahet," thon? burimet n? Uashington Por Kongresisti Engel zotohet se do ta luftoi "me gjith? forc?n" Ku?iniqin Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 13 korrik, 2000) P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin? P?r shkak t? nj? debati t? gjat? n? Dhom?n e p?rfaq?suesve t? Kongresit amerikan p?r buxhetin e ndihmave t? jashtme, amandamentit i cili synon nd?rprerjen e fondeve p?r Trupat Mbrojt?se t? Kosov?s (TMK) dhe i cili ?sht? pjes? e ndihm?s p?r Kosov?n prej 150 milion? dollar?sh nuk i erdhi radha p?r votim t? merkur?n. Pritej q? p?r amandamentin e sponzoruar nga kongresisti i Ohios, Denis Ku?iniq, t? votohej t? enjt?n von? dhe sipas burimeve n? Kongres, ekziston mund?sia q? ai t? miratohet. Mir?po bashk?kryetari i komitetit p?r ??shtje shqiptare n? Kongres kongresisti Eliot Engel, u zotua se do ta luftonte ?me gjith? forc?n? k?t? amandament, t? cilin ai e quajti t? ?pap?rgjegjsh?m.? N? nj? intervist? me gazet?n Z?ri t? m?rkur?n, Engel tha se ai i kishte bindur disa miq t? tij n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve -- p?rfshir? edhe kolegun e tij t? partis? republikane nga Nju Jorku Ben Gilman, kryetar i komitetit p?r marr?dh?nje nd?rkomb?tare -- q? t? votojn? kund?r k?tij amandamenti. ?Besoj se kemi mund?si q? ta mundim k?t? amandament, por ka mund?si q? ai edhe t? miratohet sepse n? Dhom? gjithnj? ka mbizot?ruar ndjenja se ne nuk do t? duhej t? angazhoheshim n? Kosov?,? tha Engel. Ai tha se p?rkund?r zhg?njimit t? shum? ligj?v?n?sve duke p?rfshir? edhe vet at? ndaj trajtimit t? serb?ve nga shqiptar?t pas p?rfundimit t? luft?s n? Kosov?, ?nj? arsye tjet?r pse Kosova vazhdon t? kritikohet nd?rkomb?tarisht ka t? b?j? pjes?risht me ndjenjen kund?r-intervencioniste q? mbret?ron n? Kongres.? (Dy nga teorit? p?r t? cilat Engel vazhdon t? ngul k?mb? jan? pavar?sia e Kosov?s dhe involvimi i Shteteve t? Bashkuara n? ? ?shtjet nd?rkomb?tare, ?si e vetmja m?nyr? p?r t? q?ndruar n? krye t? rrjeshtit si sup?rfuqi.?) Kongresisti nga Nju Jorku, i cili sivjet po ballafaqohet me betej?n m? t? v?shtir? n? jet?n e tij politike p?r tu rizgjedhur n? pozit?n e kongresisitit nga qyteti Bronks, e p?rg?zoi Presidentin Klinton ?p?r guximin e madh? q? ai ka treguar p?r t? intervenuar n? Kosov?. ?Presidenti Klinotn v?rtet? ka treguar nj? kurrajo t? pashoqe p?rkund?r faktit se Kongresi n? realitet asnj?her? nuk e ka miratuar vendimin p?r nd?rhyrje n? Kosov?,? tha Engel. Amandamenti i Ku?iniqit (si i miratuar) do t? nd?rpriste fondet amerikane prej 5 milion? dollar?sh n? vit (nga buxheti i p?rgjithsh?m amerikan p?r Kosov?n prej rreth 150 milion? dollar?sh) me arsyetimin se ?TMK-ja ?sht? shd?rruar n? nj? organizat? paramilitare brutale dhe vras?se, nj? fakt q? ?sht? konfirmuar nga organizatat jo-qeveritare t? Kombeve t? Bashkuara.? ?Shtetet e Bashkuara nuk mund t? vazhdojn? t? vinancojn? aktivitete t? tilla (t? TMK-s?)?dhe duhet t? tregojn? vendosm?rin? e tyre kund?r spastrimit etinik dhe kund?r shkeljes s? drejtave t? njeriut n? Ballkan,? shkruan Ku?iniq n? letr?n e tij t? shp?rndar? n? Kongres. Kongresisti nga Ohio, p?r t? cilin personeli i tij thot? se ka prejardhje kroate (por disa burime kan? spekuluar se ai mund t? jet? serb me prejardhje nga Kroacia) vazhdimisht ?sht? angazhuar me koleg?t e tij n? Kongres me prejardhje sllave kund?r intervenimit amerikan n? Ballkan dhe sidomos n? Kosov?. Burimet n? Uashington kan? spekuluar se arsyeja pse Ku?iniq mund t? jet? angazhuar p?r nd?rprerjen e fondeve p?r TMK-n? ka t? b?j? me lidhjet q? ka patur komandanti i TMK-s? Agim ? eku m? ish presidentin kroat Franjo Tuxhman, i cili ?sht? kund?rshtuar nga njer?zit si Ku?iniq n? Kongres me arsyetimin se ai ka ndjekur nj? politik? diktatoriale dhe anti-per?ndimore. Zyra e Kuciniqit, megjithat?, energjikisht e ka mohuar nj? spekulim t? till?, duke th?n? se ?ideja e kongrestit kund?r TMK-s? ?sht? thjesht ??shtje e t? drejtave t? njeriut.? (Ku?iniq ?sht? an?tar i komitetit p?r t? drejtat e njeriut n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve). Grupi Nd?rkomb?tar i Kriz?s, nj? ?think tank? me ndikim n? Uashington q? ka b?r? nj? varg analizash dhe raportesh p?r Kosov?n, n? raportin e muajit mars p?r transformimin e UCK-s?, citon burime t? KFOR-it t? ken? th?n? p?r Cekun se ?ai ?sht? nj? profesionist i past?r?m? i past?rti dhe m? i ?ilt?ri.? Kund?rshtar?t e amandamentit t? Ku?iniqit jan? ankuar se nuk ?sht? e drejt? q? ai synon t? hakmirret ndaj nj? organizate si TMK-ja si t?r?si, p?r shkak t? veprimeve t? nj? numri t? vog?l t? pjestar?ve t? saj, t? cil?t sipas raporteve t? nd?rkomb?tar?ve, jan? p?rfshir? n? krime. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From kosova at jps.net Fri Jul 14 16:12:22 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Amandamenti Kuciniq peson humbje Message-ID: Amandamenti Kuciniq peson humbje Engel-Gilman shp?tojn? fondet p?r TMK-n? Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 14 korrik, 2000) P?r gazet?n Z?ri, Prishtin? N? pyetje ishin 5 milion? dollar p?r financimin e Turpave Mbrojt?se t? Kosov?s (TMK). P?r anulimin e k?saj shume ishte nj? kongresist nga shteti amerikan Ohio me prejardhje sllave, Denis Ku?iniq. P?rball? tij ishin dy ?koleg?? t? tij nga Nju Jorku, Eliot Engel dhe Ben Gilman. N? fund fitues me ?nokaut? politik dol?n k?ta t? fundit. Beteja n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve t? enjt?n n? or?n nj? pasdite zgjati vet?m 12 minuta gjat? s? cil?s sponzoruesi i frustruar i amandamentit, Ku?iniq pa sukses u p?poq q? ta paraqiste TMK-n? si nj? organizat? q? ai e ka etiketuar si ?kriminele? dhe ?brutale? ? organizat?, q? sipas tij, shkakton trazira dhe jostabilitet n? rajon. Mir?po ?argumentet? e kongresistit nga Ohio u zbehen shum? shpejt para fakteve q? paraqit?n dy kongrest?t nga Nju Jorku, Engel dhe Gilman, t? cil?t i quajt?n akuzat e Ku?iniqit t? pabaz? dhe spekuluese. Ku?iniq e kishte bazuar t?r? tekstin e amandamentit n? nj? raport t? OKB-s? ?t? brendsh?m dhe t? pabotuar? t? dat?s 29 shkurt. Mir?po kur zyra e Kongresistit Engel e k?rkoi raportin n? OKB, ai doli se nuk ekzistonte. ?Ne mendojm? se nuk ka se si t? merret seriozisht nj? raport i till? ? dhe kjo jo vet?m pse an?tar?t (e Kongresit) nuk kan? mund?si q? vet ta shohin at?, por sepse an?tar?t e par? t? TMK-s? jan? inauguruar vet?m nj? muaj para se gjoja ?sht? shkruar raporti n? fjal?,? deklaroi Engel n? debatin e tij n? Kongres. Ai tha se TMK-ja luan nj? rol t? r?nd?sish?m n? Kosov? n? shum? l?mi dhe citoi nj? deklarat? t? Departamentit t? shtetit amerikan q? e p?rshkruan TMK-n? ?elementin m? t? r?nd?sish?m t? programit t? gj?r? p?r t? krijuar vendpunime p?r veteran?t e U?K-s?.? Nd?rsa Ku?iniq p?rpiqej q? ta paraqiste TMK-n? si nj? U?K, kongresist?ve Engel dhe Gilman fare nuk u b?ri p?rshtypje nga ky fakt dhe si me krenari e pranuan se m? gjirin e TMK-s? sot ka shum? pjestar? t? ish UCK-s? t? cil?t kan? pranuar t? ?armatos?n dhe t? b?h?n nj? krah i ndihm?s emergjente p?r popullin e Kosov?s derisa t? p?rcaktohet fati politik i Kosov?s. Gilman theksoi faktin se TMK ?sht? fuqimisht e p?rkrahur nga Shtetet e Bashkuara dhe se ajo ?sht? nj? organizat? q? ?sht? themeluar nga administrata e OKB-s? n? Kosov?. Ai tha se kur flitet p?r TMK-n? duhet t? b?h?t dallimi midis organizat?s si institucion dhe disa pjestar?ve t? saj q? b?jn? krime, p?r t? cil?t ai tha se duhet t? ket? ?zero toleranc?? nga UNMIKU dhe NATO. UNMIK ka b?r? hetime ndaj raporteve se gjoja pjestar?t e TMK-s? kan? b?r? krime, duke p?rfshir? edhe tortur?n, vrasjet dhe p?rdhunimes, por nuk ka gjetur prova se t? akuzuarit ishin fajtor?. Prandaj?nd?rprerja e fondeve amerikane p?r TMK-n? nuk do t?i zgjidhte problemet t? cilat zoti Ku?iniq mendon se ekzistojn? n? Kosov? por p?rkundrazi do t?i shtonte v?shtir?sit,? tha gjat? debatit kongresisti Gilman fjala e t? cilit ka pesh? sepse ai nj?herit ?sht? edhe kryetar i komitetit p?r marr?dh?nje nd?rkomb?tare n? Dhom?n e P?rfaq?suesve. Prerja e ndihm?s p?r TMK-n?, sipas Gilmanit do t? rrezikonte t? arriturat p?r ?armatosjen e ish luft?tar?ve dhe do ta pengonte Kosov?n drejt shtegut t? paq?s, si dhe do t? minimizonte influenc?n amerikane mbi k?t? institucion. Gjithashtu, shtoi Gilman, nd?rprerja e ndihmave do t? rrezikonte trupat amerikane n? Kosov? dhe do t? zgjaste koh?n e q?ndrimit t? tyre atje. Sekretari i p?rgjithsh?m i NATO-s Lord Robertson ka folur mir? p?r TMK-n? p?r pun?n q? ka b?r? ajo n? t?r? Kosov?n, duke nd?rtuar rrug?, ura dhe duke ndihmuar me projektet e rind?rtimit dhe ato humanitare. Kurse gjenrali Rajnhard ka deklaruar: ?Un? besoj me gjith? binjen time se formimi i TMK-s? ?sht? nj? hap esencial n? kthimin e jet?s normale n? k?t? rajon.? Kund?r TMK-s?, e cila funksionon n? komand?n e UNMIK-ut dhe t? KFOR-it, jan? raportuar 95 raste kur pjestar?t e saj nuk i kan? respektuar rregullat e marr?veshjes q? kjo organizat? ka me nd?rkomb?tar?t. Af?r 60 raste jan? n?n hetime kurse 36 prej tyre jan? anuluar p?r shkak t? munges?s s? provave. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From peshku_2000 at hotmail.com Mon Jul 17 03:44:01 2000 From: peshku_2000 at hotmail.com (vala peshku) Date: Mon Jul 17 03:44:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Letra juaj shpeton nje te ri (vetem anglisht) Message-ID: <20000717074309.75566.qmail@hotmail.com> Me vjen shume keq qe kete e-mail e kam lexuar vetem sot. Nese ka ndonje menyre tjeter se si t'i ndihmohet ketij djaloshi, ju lutem tregoni. >From: AVuniqi at aol.com >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Letra juaj shpeton nje te ri (vetem anglisht) >Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:38:05 EDT > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >Per t'i ndihmuar Luanit ju lutem te gjithe lexuesve sidomos te atyre qe >gjenden ne SHBA t'i shkruajne leter gjykatesit per te influencuart te ai qe >Luanin mos ta kethejne ne Kosove. Cdo leter e juaja eshte ndihme per te. Ai >ka nevoje per ndihmen tone, vetem nje leter e juaja.... letrat duhet te >dergohen ne anglishte dhe ate deri me 07.14.2000 ne ora 16:00 sipas kohes >amerikane. >JUDGE HACKER FAX-i 1(810)230-1231 (te jeni serioz ne vleresime ju lutem, >mos >deshtoni) >Luan Goci (i lindur me 19 janar 1975, e ka leshuar Kosoven me 1990-91 dhe >ka >shkuar ne Londer per shkak se e kane kerkuar te shkonte ne sherbimin >ushtarak >te ish "APJ"-se, atje ka qendruar deri ne vitin 1994, pastaj ka ardhe ne >Amerike per tu bashkuar me familje) ai ka pasur nje e fatkeqesi >komunikacioni gjate se ciles ka vdeke nje vajze 17 vjecare ndersa Luani ka >qene i lenduar rende. Ne naten kritike Luani ka qene ne caffe te nje >kusheri >i tij, ate e ka lutur nje kamariere qe ta vozise vajzen e saj deri ne >shtepi >meqe i kishte lene dy femije te vegjel, Luani ka pranuar dhe gjate vozitjes >vajza e ka lutur qe ta vozise pak meqe i kishte pelqyer vetura. Po ate nate >ne dalje te express-it ne nje shpejtesi te madhe rrokulliset kerri ne te >cilen peson amerikanja ndersa ky i derguar ne "shok dhome" sherohet. Pas >sherimit te tij deri sa ishte ne liri per cdo dite e kishte vizituar >varrin >e saj. Me vone ai gjykohet dhe burgoset me nje vit heqje lirie. Problemi >qendron se atij i duhen edhe 6 muaj per te plotesuar kushtet per shtetesi >amerikane dhe se posedon me green karte. Eshte veshtiresuar qendrimi i tij >i >metejme ne SHBA meqe gjykatesit qe do te vendos a do ta kethejne ne Kosove >apo jo? i kane shkruar mbi 150 qytetare duke e cilesuar ate si kriminel dhe >se eshte i rrezikshem per rrethin dmth problemi qendron me Immigration, >duhet >bindur gjykatesin se ai nuk eshte vetem. > >Faxi i Judge Hacker eshte 1(810) 230-1231 > >Per njoftime me te hollsishme drejtohuni te avokatja Julia L. Black tel. >1(810) 230-1415 office >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From kosova at jps.net Mon Jul 17 19:06:01 2000 From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net) Date: Mon Jul 17 19:06:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Perendimoret e vazhdojne vallen me Millosheviqin Message-ID: Perendimoret e vazhdojne vallen me Millosheviqin Isuf Hajrizi (Uashington, 17 korrik, 2000) Per Gazeten Zeri, Prishtine P?r disa momente lexuesit e gazet?s serbe Politika (p?r t? cil?n Sllobodan Millosheviqi ?sht? ?vizionari m? i spikatur? i koh?rave tona kurse ?Per?ndimi ?sht? hegjemonist dhe anti-serb?) p?r pak sa nuk mbet?n pa frym? kur n? faq?n e internetit t? k?saj gazete me dat?n 12 korrik lexuan lajmin se udh?heq?si serb kishte vdekur. Disa momente m? von?, u mor vesh se Millosheviqi ishte gjall? dhe se faqja e internetit ishte ?pushtuar? nga ?kusar?t elektronik?? t? cil?t e kishin botuar ?lajmin e zi.? ?Vdekja? e Millosheviqit n? k?t? rast, edhe pse zgjati vet?m disa momente nuk kishte se si t? mos i g?zonte ata q? e d?shirojn? paqen n? rajonin ballkanik. Shum? shpejt pas p?rhapjes s? lajmit t? rrem? mesazhet n? internet u p?rhap?n n?p?r bot? -- dikush duke e uruar vdekjen e nj? krimineli t? luft?s, t? tjer?t t? d?shpruar se ai kishte patur nj? ?p?rfundim aq t? leht?? kurse t? tjer?t ishin p?rlotur nga dhembja p?r njeriun ?q? ka nxjerr shpirtin e v?rtet? dhe trim t? popullit serb n? sip?rfaqe p?r ta kund?rshtuar t?r? bot?n.? Mir?po shakaja p?r ?daljen p?rfundimtare? t? Millosheviqit dhe e v?rteta jan? larg nj?ra-tjetr?s. Edhe pse Politika mund t? mos jet? di?ka m? shum? se nj? pa?avure propagande (si? do ta quanin n? Shqip?ri), nj? lajm i saj i dat?s 13 korrik se ?Sllobodan Millosehviqi ?sht? gjall? dhe i fotr?,? p?rve? q? tregon nj? fakt, n? t? njejt?n koh? ?sht? shum? af?r s? v?rtet?s edhe n? nj? drejtim tjet?r. Vet?m po q? se NATO ka far? plani ?B? p?r t?i dh?n? fund regjimit t? Millosheviqit, plani ?A? i izolimit ekonomik dhe politik deri me tash jo vet?m q? nuk ka dh?n? fryt, p?rkundrazi e ka forcuar diktatorin Serb. Gishtrinjt e Millosheviqit jan? t? shtrir? gati n? ?do pjes? t? ish Jugosllavis?. Sipas zyrtar?ve per?ndimor?, Millosheviqi ?n? k?t? moment definitivisht ka influenc? m? t? madhe mbi Ushtrin? Serbe n? Bosnj? se sa Kryeministri Millorad Dodik? -- i zgjedhuri i Per?ndimit. ?Ai (Millosheviqi) mund ta p?rdor? ushtrin? p?r ta bllokuar ?do nism? t? Dodikut,? u citua t? ket? th?n? nj? zyrtar amerikan p?r agjensin? britanike t? lajmeve Rojter. Influenca e Millosheviqit mbi ushtrin? serbe n? Bonsj?, sipas analist?ve synon nj? gj? t? vetme ? pengimin e unifikimit t? ushtrive t? Bosnj?s n? nj?, ushtri k?to q? tani ekzistojn? t? ndara n? tri grupe. ?P?rderisa ekzistojn? k?to marr?dh?nje midis Beogradit dhe Ushtris? Serbe t? Bosnj?s, nuk mund t? pritet themelimi i nj? ushtrie t? vetme n? Bosnj?,? ?sht? cituar t? ket? th?n? i njejti zyrtar. N? Kosov? ekziston skenar i ngjash?m. Komandanti i forcave amerikane n? Kosov?, Gjeneral-brigadieri Rand?ll Tiz?n (Randal Tieszen) ka deklaruar se n? Kosov? po infiltroh?n ?agjent?t jugosllav? p?r t? penguar pun?n e OKB-s? q? t? mos rind?rtohet Kosova.? ?Un? mendoj se influenca e Beogradit ndjehet n? t?r? sektorin (amerikan), dhe ndoshta n? t?r? (Kosov?n), p?rfshir? t? gjitha bashk?sit? serbe,? deklaroi Tiz?n t? enjt?n e kaluar p?r agjensin? amerikane t? lajmeve Asoshiejtit Pres (AP). Sipas tij p?rpjekjet e agjent?ve t? Millosheviqit synojn? destabilizimin e UNMIK-ut, i cili nga Beogradi shihet si binar?t mbi t? cil?t do t? transportohet pavar?sia p?rmes insitucioneve q? kjo organizat? synon q? t? themeloj? n? Kosov?. Sipas Tiez?n operacionet e agjent?ve t? Beogradit n? sh?njest?r kan? pengimin e serb?ve t? Kosov?s q? t? marrin pjes? n? zgjedhjet e tetorit si dhe n? zgjedhjet komb?tare t? Kosov?s q? do t? mbahen vitin e ardhsh?m. Bojkotimi i zgjedhjeve nga pala serbe do t? shkaktonte debate rreth ligj?shm?ris? s? programeve dhe institucioneve n? Kosov? t? themeluara nga OKB, shkruan AP. Agjent?t serb?, sipas gjeneralit amerikan nuk i kan? v?n? n? sh?njest?r trupat amerikane dhe ato t? NATO-s, s? paku jo deri me tash dhe jo n? m?nyr? t? orkestruar. Analist?t ushtarak mendojn? se agjent?t serb? nuk d?shirojn? q? t? zihen m? NATO-n e cila, po q? se ngacmohet, do t?i ?rr?njoste ata nga Kosova. Pra NATO e ka mund?sin? e p?rdorimit t? ?shkopit t? madh? kund?r infiltrues?ve agjitues, por nuk do ta p?rdor? nj? shkop t? till? duke u p?rpjekur q? t? mos krijoj? rrethana ku edhe m? tep?r serb? do t? largoheshin nga Kosova. E njejta gj? nuk mund t? thuhet edhe p?r UNMIK-un dhe policin? e k?saj organizate, e cila nuk posedon as resurset as p?rvoj?n p?r t?u marr? me nj? pun? t? till?. Pamund?sia p?r ta p?rdor? shkopin nga UNMIK-u e ka detyruar at? t? mb?shtet?t pothuaj krejt?sisht n? poilitik?n e ?karrot?s.? UNMIKU dhe partneri i tij OSBE jan? n? gjendje t? b?jn? gati ?do gj? p?r serb?t k?to dit? e q? u theksua n? marr?veshjen e fundit midis kryeadministratorit Bernard Kushner dhe pal?s serbe ?t? moderuar? (dhjet? pikat e memorandumit dhe shtyerja e afatit p?r regjistrim n? m?nyr? q? sa m? shum? serb? t? marrin pjes? n? votime). Nd?rsa Milosheviqi e ka forcuar pozicionin e tij me nd?rrimin e kushtetut?s serbe brenda vet Serbis?, kurse p?rmes infiltrues?ve e mban kontrollin mbi nj? pjes? t? Kosov?s, Bosnj?s dhe Malit t? Zi, luft?nxit?si serb nuk i ka pun?t shum? keq as me Bashkimin Evropian. Austria, Belgjika dhe Suedia b?n? thirrje jav?n e kaluar p?r rishqyrtuimin e sanksioneve ekonomike kund?r regjimit t? Millosheviqit duke shprehur dyshimin e tyre mbi efektshm?rin? e k?tyre sanksioneve duke th?n? se bllokada nd?rkomb?tare vet?m sa po e forcon diktatorin destruktiv. Prapa ides? p?r heqjen e mund?shme t? sanksioneve ndaj Beogradit ?sht? Franca, e cila tash ?sht? kryesuese e Bashkimit Evropian. ??sht? e ?art se sanksionet deri me tash nuk e kan? arritur objektivin e vet (kund?r Millosheviqit),? ?sht? cituar t? ket? th?n? Kryeministri fr?ng Hubert Vedrin?. N? muajin prill Bashkimi Evropian vendosi q? t?i rishqyrtonte sanksionet dhe si rezultat u b? zbutja e tyre. Sanksionet evropiane tani prekin vet?m firmat q? konsiderohet se jan? t? lidhura me qeverin? e Millosheviqit. Kjo automatikisht liroi nga sanksionet mbi 190 firma serbe duke p?rfshir? edhe JAT-in. K?saj here?rishqyrtimi? i sanksioneve nga BE do t? thot? heqjen e tyre n? qytetet ku ka z?n? rr?nj? opozita serbe. Mir?po p?rderisa ndihmat dhe investimet e huaja shkelin mbi tok?n serbe, do t? jet? e pamundur q? t? pengohen gishtrinjt p?rfitues t? Millosheviqit p?r t? mos u p?rzier kudo, sidomos kur flitet p?r nj? territor ku ?Kasapi i Ballkanit? ?sht? t?r?sisht n? kontroll nd?rsa komuniteti nd?rkomb?tar Serbin? ende e shikon p?rmes vrimave t? gardhit. ?sht? marramend?se se si Per?ndimi sidomos evroper?ndimor?t, vazhdojn? vall?n me Millosheviqin ? vazhdojn? t? jen? t? but? ndaj regjimit n? Beograd kur dihet se pa largimin e nj? regjimi t? till? nga pushteti ?sht? e pamundur q? Ballkani nj? dit? t? ?hyn? n? Evrop?. Cinik?t mund t? konkludojn? se duke e mbajtur nj? njeri si Millosheviqin n? pushtet, Evropa mund ta mban Ballkanin larg vetes dhe t? destabilizuar. Mir?po, historian?t dhe analist?t politik? amerikan? t?rheqin v?rejtjen duke i th?n? Evrop?s se Ballkani, i l?n? ?p?rjashta,? mund t?i sjell p?rs?ri t? k?qia kontinentit t? vjet?r, siq i ka sjellur deri me tash dy luft?rat bot?rore. Ky shkrim mund te ribotohet me kusht qe te theksohet autori dhe revista Zeri, Prishtine. From mentor at alb-net.com Mon Jul 17 21:38:01 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Mon Jul 17 21:38:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Info: Action Alert: Congress defeats bill to cut funds to Kosova Protection Corps (fwd) Message-ID: Kosova Task Force, USA - Action Alert July 17, 2000 Congress defeated a motion late last week that would prohibit US funding for the Kosova Protection Corps. The bill introduced by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (Ohio - R) would have cut the $5 million earmarked for the newly created police force. The Kucinich Amendment represents the second time within the last month that members of congress have tried to limit US involvment in the Balkans. The KPC plays a critical role in Kosova in many ways. Speaking on the floor of the House of Representatives, Congressman Eliot L. Engel stated, "Congress should not undercut one of the key indigeneous Kosovar organizations promoting a better and safer Kosova." After the Kosova Liberation Army (KLA) formally gave up its weapons, the KPC was created as an organization which absorbed former KLA members into a demilitarized structure. The State Department has described the KPC as "the most important element of a broad program to provide employment for KLA veterans." The KPC also carries out critical civilian works projects including repairing roads, bridges, and other reconstruction projects. To date, the KPC has helped reubild over 1,000 homes throughout Kosova, collect garbage in urban areas, fight fires, and clean polluted water wells and rivers. Those who spearheaded the opposition against the bill include co-chair of the Congressional Albanian Issues Caucus, Congressperson Eliot Engel, along with congresspersons Peter King (R-New York), John Olver (D-Massachusetts), and Sue Kelly (R-New York), House International Relations Committee Chairman Ben Gilman (R-New York) and Ranking Minority Member Sam Gejdenson (D-Connecticut). The KPC had demonstrated that is is a positive force for assistance, for moderation, and for tolerance in Kosova. The U.S. should continue to provide much needed assistance to the KPC. The Kosova Task Force calls on all US citizens to contact the following congresspersons and thank them for their support of the KPC. Eliot Engel (D - New York) (202)225-2464 - http://www.house.gov/writerep/. Peter King (R-New York) (202) 225-7896 - http://www.house.gov/writerep/ John Olver (D-Massachusetts) (202)225-5335 - http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Sue Kelly (R-New York) (202)225-5441 - dearsue at mail.house.gov Ben Gilman (R-New York) (202) 225-3776 http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Sam Gejdenson (D-Connecticut) (202)225-2076 - bozrah at mail.house.gov ========================================== Justice For All 730 W. 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Muhammad, Muslim Students Association of US and Canada, The National Community. ============================= To be removed from this list, send the following command to unsubscribe Kosova-List To be added to this list, send the following command to subscribe Kosova-List -- From besnikh at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:36:01 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Tue Jul 18 23:36:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lajme: Perendimoret e vazhdojne vallen me Millosheviqin Message-ID: <20000719033526.6554.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Deshiroj ti informoj te gjithe dashamiret e librit per nje liber relativisht te ri ne treg i cili pershkruan situaten ne Kosove prej 1966 e deri me 1999 me titull: "Kosova-Kosovo, Prelude to war 1966-1999." Autorja e ketij libri eshte ish profesoresha e gjuhes angleze ne Univerzitetin e Prishtines zonja Mary Motes. Znj. Motes ka qene lektorja e pare e gjuhes angleze ne UP, dhe se pari ka qendruar ne Kosove ne vitin 1966. Informata per kete liber mund te gjeni ne Web siten: http://www.redlandpress.com ose ne numer te telefonit: (SHBA) ++1305-247-43-98. Meposhte eshte njera prej kritikave te ketij libri: "Kosova-Kosovo is a brilliant depiction of relations between Serbs and Albanians. A book for both the specialist and general reader; invaluable as Mary Motes was the only one there for that whole period. Besides she's very funny-and a born writer." -Miranda Vickers, "Between serb and Albanian: A history of Kosovo" -Columbia University Press __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From besnikh at yahoo.com Tue Jul 18 23:39:01 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Tue Jul 18 23:39:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Liber i ri per Kosoven ne treg Message-ID: <20000719033621.6650.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Deshiroj ti informoj te gjithe dashamiret e librit per nje liber relativisht te ri ne treg i cili pershkruan situaten ne Kosove prej 1966 e deri me 1999 me titull: "Kosova-Kosovo, Prelude to war 1966-1999." Autorja e ketij libri eshte ish profesoresha e gjuhes angleze ne Univerzitetin e Prishtines zonja Mary Motes. Znj. Motes ka qene lektorja e pare e gjuhes angleze ne UP, dhe se pari ka qendruar ne Kosove ne vitin 1966. Informata per kete liber mund te gjeni ne Web siten: http://www.redlandpress.com ose ne numer te telefonit: (SHBA) ++1305-247-43-98. Meposhte eshte njera prej kritikave te ketij libri: "Kosova-Kosovo is a brilliant depiction of relations between Serbs and Albanians. A book for both the specialist and general reader; invaluable as Mary Motes was the only one there for that whole period. Besides she's very funny-and a born writer." -Miranda Vickers, "Between serb and Albanian: A history of Kosovo" -Columbia University Press __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail ? Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From valon.mustafa at ntlworld.com Wed Jul 19 16:57:01 2000 From: valon.mustafa at ntlworld.com (valon.mustafa) Date: Wed Jul 19 16:57:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] ironia e shekullit XXI Message-ID: <001401bff1c3$819b0440$2261ff3e@default> Lajmi me ironik i ketij shekulli mund te lexohet me poshte. A thua qe me te vertete te akuzuarit jane ne burg apo jetojne ne ndonje keshtjelle dhurate e Millosheviqit? Serb Court Jails Two Policemen for Kosovo Murders BELGRADE, July 19 (Reuters) - A Serb court sentenced two policemen on Wednesday for murdering Kosovo Albanians during the NATO air campaign against Yugoslavia last year, independent news agency Beta reported. Boban Petkovic was sentenced to four years and 10 months in prison for killing two men and one woman near Velika Hoca and Orahovac in southwest Kosovo, Beta said. Djordje Simic was sentenced to one year for aiding and abetting him. The independent Humanitarian Law Centre said it believed these were the first sentences passed against Serb policemen for crimes committed during the bombing. Petkovic was charged with killing Ismail Dirguti during the course of operations on May 9. Petkovic was said to have chased Dirguti and brought him down before shooting him in the head with a pistol he had taken from Simic. After returning to nearby Orahovac, Petkovic shot Sezair Miftari and his wife Sefkija Miftari on their doorstep with an automatic rifle, the charge sheet says. The sentences were passed by the Prizren court which has relocated to Pozarevac in Serbia since Yugoslav forces withdrew from the province in June last year following the 78-day NATO air campaign. NATO mounted its March-June air war on Yugoslavia over its repression of the majority ethnic Albanian population in Kosovo. Three members of a paramilitary group, arrested last year for spying for a foreign intelligence service, are also accused of murdering two unidentified ethnic Albanians at a military detention camp in Kosovo in mid-May. 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DARKA E CILA ISHTE SHTRUAR ENKAS PER MYSAFIRET NUK ISHTE PARALAJMERIM I NDONJE TUBIMI FORMAL, ISHTE ME TEPER TAKIM KU KEMBEHESHIN MENDIMET, PREOKUPIMET, KU NDJEHEJ FRYMA VELLAZERORE DHE FALENDERIMI PER TE GJITHE SHQIPTARET NGA MICHIGANI QE KISHIN NDARE ME TEPER SE 1.300.000 $ PER UCK-ne. KISHTE PYETJE NDER ME TE NDRYSHMET PER SHQIPERINE, MALESIN, ILIRIDEN, PER KOSOVEN LINDORE (PRESHEVEN, BUJANOCIN E MEDVEGJEN), ISHTE NJE BASHKEBISEDIM PER TE CILIN INFORMACIONE JEPNIN Z. RAMADAN QEHAJA, Z. RAMIZ LLADROVCI, POR ISHIN ENDE TE FRESKETA EVOKIMET E LUZIM JASHARIT BURRIT TE KULLES SE JASHAREVE. TE NESERMEN NE KSIHEN SHQIPTARE KATOLIKE TE PERSHENDETUR NGA DOM ANTON KCIRA, ATDHETAR I MADHE POR EDHE DEMOKRAT (ASHTU SIC ISHTE FAN S. NOLI), I CILI NUK KURSEU ASGJE PER TE SHETITUR NEPER KANCELARITE E KONGRESIT DHE SENATIT AMERKAN PER TE SHTYERE PERPARA CESHTJEN SHQIPTARE, U MBAJT TAKIMI NE TE CILIN MERRNIN PJESE ME QINDRA BASHKATDHETARE. 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AGIM VUNIQI From AVuniqi at aol.com Sun Jul 23 16:56:01 2000 From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 23 16:56:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] KESHILLI NISMETAR "MIQTE E TMK-SE" PER MICHIGAN Message-ID: <6c.16963a7.26acb5c5@aol.com> INFORMATES TE DERGUAR ME PARE NE E:MAILIN TUAJ IA BASHKANGJESIM EMRAT E KESHILLIT NISMETAR "MIQTE E TMK-SE" PER MICHIGAN NE TUBIMIN E ORGANIZUAR NE KISHEN KATOLIKE SHQIPTARE NE MICHIGAN U ZGJODH EDHE KESHILLI NISMETAR PER FORMIMIN E SHOQATES "MIQTE E TMK-SE" PER MICHIGAN AGRON MIRDITA ANTON NIKOLLAJ BESNIK BEZHI NIKOLL PERKAJ (VULLNETARE TE UCK-SE) DRITA GJOKAJ LUIGJ GJOKAJ MARASH NUCULLAJ TOM DUHANI SOKOL NDREJAJ KOL DEDVUKAJ LULASH PALUSHI PJETER CAMAJ LUK PALUSHAJ GJON GOJCAJ PETRIT MUSOLLI MARTIN ULI DR. PREK IVEZAJ GJERGJ IVEZAJ TOM CAMAJ GJON P. NIKOLLAJ DR.FIKRET ZHUBI FRAN MIRDITA MARK THACI OSMAN MAKOLLI MIKEL DEMAJ (PERKRAHES TE DEVOTSHEM TE LUFTES CLIRIMTARE TE UCK-SE) From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 05:02:20 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Mon Jul 24 05:02:20 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US Message-ID: Chris mate, you are spot on. You've crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is. We are taking this fragile freedom for granted. We should be doing more because it really ain't over until it is absolutely, unquestionably, no_bloody_going_back, once_'n'_for_all over. It is most probably true that the Serbs are plotting plans and drawing strategies about how to conquer Kosova once more, in ten, twenty or even fifty years time. If we don't have our plans to deter them, if we don't work in the opposite direction so not to even let them have the slightest chance to claim their claims then we have failed. They are a funny sort, them Serbs. They are so bloody stubborn and never give up. We need to be even more stubborn. Stubborn to the highest degree and never ever give up what we have - our beloved Kosova. So I say to you all brothers and sisters, do not fall for (as Chris says) poor little serby-werbie stories and lies. Do NOT feel sorry for "their sufferings" (because be damn sure that they ain't feeling sorry for yours, nor for mine, nor for the sufferings of any Albanian alive), do NOT agree with anything they say, do NOT be prepared to accept any apologies from them (for what they have done), do NOT and do NOT and just do NOT. This one is just on the side. The other day I read an appalling piece of information on QIK's website. Mr Gazmend Pula whom I used to respect awfully much and who acts as head of Helsinki's committee for Human Rights in Kosova said that position of the Kosovan Serbs is very bad. He even went to say that their basic human rights have been drastically endangered. They might have been. They most probably bloody are to a certain extent but, we Albanians are not bloody supposed to say this and more so we do NOT need these sorts of comments from leading Kosovan figures. They are very damaging and shall cause us only problems and grief and then more problems and more grief so we might end up where we were 10 years ago. I hope I am not being pushy and unclear in any way, and I do sincerely hope that you have taken the message in. If you haven't then I've wasted my time. With best regards, Albert >From: Christopher Fisher >Reply-To: cfisher at mailbag.com >To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0500 > >__________________________Albanian Discussion List________________________ > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html >__________________________________________________________________________ > >Tung t? gjith?ve! > >I think Thomas has it right on the money, but sadly it seems that at >least some folks in the Albanian community (at least here in the US), by >my experience just "aren't getting it". The Mititch incident should >serve as a wake-up call not only to the Albanian community and its >supporters, but even to those poor souls who have been deluded into >beliving the "poor little Serby-Werbies" image the Serb nationalists >have tried to cultivate so hard the last dozen or so years. > >Where I live, in Madison WI, there was a "panel discussion" held on the >aniversary of the start of the NATO bombings. Nick Kostich (who I would >call a "sneazel", combining the worst elements of snake and weazel) was >one of the participants, as well as a Serbian visiting prof. at the UW, >and a very pro-Serbian radio commentator at a local "listener-sponsored" >station known for its extreme left-wing views. The only half-way >objective member of the panel was a local cartographer. There were no >Albanians on the panel, nor was any attempt made to contact any members >of the community until the last moment. I do not blame all of the >organizers-the non-Serb ones seemed to be genuine in their desire to >find an Albanian representative, but honestly did not seem to know where >to look (and I am sure the Serbian-American woman who helped them to >organize it, who is also a member of the Serbian Unity Congress did not >help much in that regard either), due to the fact that our local >Albanian community has quite a low profile, unfortunatly. > >The event came off as just what I thought it would: A love feast/pity >party for the Serbs, and with plenty of half-whispered "National >Enquirer" type sensationalism on the part of the "panelists" as to the >mysterious plots and plans for the Albanians to bring about a state of >"greater Albania", which of course it was aluded would be a >fundamentalist Islamic state with aims of making Europe safe for Osama >Bin Laden. > >But what was worst was the fact that there were *no* members of the >Albanian community or supporters there other than myself! Though some >could not attend because of the fact that it was a Friday evening, >historically the busiest in the Restaurant business, others did not >bother because, in the words of one chap "The Serbs have lost Kosova for >good-who cares what they try to do now?" > >Folks, in the words of Yogi Berra: "It ain't over 'till it's over"! We >cannot afford this kind of apathy. Though we hope Kosova will be truly >independent, and it looks like the structures are being set into place >for its de facto independence in 2 more years, we can afford to take >nothing for granted. And the fact is that if we are apathetic over the >Mititch incident, what then *will* it take for us to become suitably >outraged, and realize that though the battle has been won, we still need >to win the war? > >What can we do, then, to make sure that people are aware that this is >how the Serbs have behaved, are behaving, and will behave for the >forseeable future? Well, how about informational pickets (like perhaps >at Attorney Kostich's home) and encouraging boycotts of Serb-run >businesses whose owners have expressed anti-Albanian/Bosnian/Croat/etc. >sentiments, or support for the current nationalist bent of the >Serbo-slavian government? In Milwaukee, Serb Hall has a Friday night >fish fry so popular that they had to put a drive up window to handle all >the people. Wonder what would happen that fish fry if there were >lawful, peaceful pickets every Friday out there? These protestations >should be *permanent* until such time as the Serbian-American community >retracts its support for Serb nationalism (esp. scum like Voislav >Sheslj), and appologises for it's position. Cold day in hell before >that happens, you say? Perhaps. But in that case, they may find it's a >"hell" of a long time before they can go back to "business as usual". > >T? fala, > >Chris > > >Thomas G. Coonan wrote: > > > > __________________________Albanian Discussion >List________________________ > > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html > > >__________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Mititch is following the example of Milosevic's thugs who stage acts of > > violence in Kosova (against Serb civilians and property) so the > > Albanians can be blamed by a gullible international community! They use > > this also to justify their own violent rampages (ie. Mitrovica) as a > > response for being the innocent victims! Liars, liars, liars! > > > > -TC > > > > MAN CHARGED IN BREAK-IN AT GUARD BASE > > > > [...] > > Mititch is suspected of breaking into the 128th, scrawling graffiti on > > two buildings and writing "Free Kosova" on a satellite dish at the Air > > National Guard compound. > > > > [...] > > '"Kosova" is the way Albanians refer to the region; Serbs refer to it as > > "Kosovo." Mititch identified himself to Milwaukee police in 1998 as > > Serbian. > > > > [...] > > Asked why Mititch would spell "Kosovo" in the Albanian manner, Veleusic > > shrugged and said, "Everyone is trying to trick somebody." > > > > Christopher Fisher wrote: > > > > > > __________________________Albanian Discussion >List________________________ > > > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html > > > >__________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU > > > From: cfisher at mailbag.com (Christopher Fisher) > > > Subject: Serb Terror hits US > > > > > > This story was sent from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online: >http://www.jsonline.com > > > It was sent by Christopher Fisher (cfisher at mailbag.com) on Friday, >July 21, 2000 at 01:33:07 > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Name: Albanian Discussion List > > > > > > http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jul00/128th21072000a.asp > > > > >__________________________________________________________________________ > Albanian History > http://www.albanian.com/main/history/index.html > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Opinions expressed on ALBANIAN do NOT necessarily reflect the views of the >owner, co-owners and/or moderators, nor any of their host institutions. >**>>> Technical support: albanian-request at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu <<<<** ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Wed Jul 26 16:00:02 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Wed Jul 26 16:00:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US Message-ID: hi everyone, sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by reactionary ignorance. Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians... but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, Mira Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your arguments are. ...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda... Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians are endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it *is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like Albert and Chris are fuel for this process. btw, i find that joining a panel discussion is not hard if u can properly credential yourself (even as a plain-old "community activist") and have (or aquire!) a reputation for *credible* argument.... here is an article indicating that Kosovar Leaders know they must address this issue, but first a notice from this weeks Village Voice about a show this Saturday benefitting Kosovar rape victims (if i get any more info on this i'll post it): tung! "One Voice: Music Without Borders" A rare chance to go dancing and make a difference at the same time. Once again the Frying Pan is the site of another outstanding lineup of music with Rha Goddess, Rachid, Electronic Diva Jeannette Romeu/Galaxy Girl, Shakti Spirit Dance Ensemble, and DJ Sevenz spinning Goa trance, plus Rene Collins, Chavachant, and Big Dream. DJ Dots (Wanderlust) with breakbeat/techno, turntablist DJ Shamus (The Snowball Collective) DJ Tuffist and DJ Pinnacle (Konkrete Jungle) spin jungle wax. Eve Ensler and the cast of the Vagina Monologues are also scheduled to appear for the cause?raising funds for Kosovar rape victims. (Romano) Sat 7/29 Frying Pan Pier 63 Chelsea Piers, Manhattan -- and the article...... Tuesday, July 25 6:33 AM SGT Serbs, Albanian Kosovar leaders declare "Pact against Violence" WASHINGTON, July 24 (AFP) - Three days of talks between Kosovo Serbs and ethnic Albanians ended with both sides declaring a "Pact against Violence," the US State Department and the private US Institute of Peace said Monday. The first intensive face-to-face discussions between ethnic Albanian and Serb Kosovars facilitated by the institute were aimed at getting the two sides working toward a multi-ethnic society in Kosovo, still torn by ethnic violence. Participants who concluded the session Sunday agreed to respect the outcome of upcoming "free and fair" municipal elections, cooperate in identifying perpetrators of crime and to urge their respective communities to surrender illegal arms, the institute said in a statement. They also agreed to counter Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's influence in Kosovo and to dissolve any illegitimate governing and security structures, the statement said. According to Serbian Orthodox Bishop Artmije Radosavljevic, a joint leader of the Serb delegation, the pact is the first positive document reached in talks between Serbs and Albanians in 100 years, the statement said. The round-table talks -- initiated by the US State Department and organized by the Institute of Peace -- began early Friday and ended at 11:00 p.m. Sunday (0300 GMT Monday), a spokeswoman for the institute said. Delegates included General Agim Ceku, ex-Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) head who is now leading its civilian successor the Kosovo Protection Corps, as well as leaders of the two main ethnic Albanian parties, Hashim Thaci and Ibrahim Rugova. The Serb delegation is led by Rada Trajkovic as well as Bishop Radosavljevic of the Serbian National Council (SNV). Some 40 Kosovo Serbs and ethnic Albanians participated. The "Airlie Declaration," named after the Airlie House, Warrenton, Virginia location where the talks were held, will be available from the US State Department at 10:00 a.m. (1400 GMT) Tuesday. It will fully outline commitments made by both sides and is expected to contain details of the role both Serbs and ethnic Albanians want the international community to play in Kosovo. "Although agreements were difficult and hard-won, the spirit in which they approached each other was nothing short of remarkable," Institute of Peace executive vice president Harriet Hentges said. She told AFP the talks had allowed for an "open, difficult but constructive exchange about some of the pain they felt, some of the anger." "Recriminations were there but also a very keen listening about what the other was saying," added Hentges, who was vice chair of the meeting. "There was genuine appreciation of the suffering that each community has experienced and that is a very important beginning, a very important first step. "When people come out of a warring conflict situation such as these people you have to be realistic what your goals are," she said. "We didn't have preset ideas" for how the talks would go, Hentges added. "We wanted the ideas to come from them. We wanted an open dialogue, some commitment to concrete steps. We got both of those." > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >Chris mate, you are spot on. You've crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is. >We are taking this fragile freedom for granted. We should be doing more >because it really ain't over until it is absolutely, unquestionably, >no_bloody_going_back, once_'n'_for_all over. > >It is most probably true that the Serbs are plotting plans and drawing >strategies about how to conquer Kosova once more, in ten, twenty or even >fifty years time. If we don't have our plans to deter them, if we don't >work in the opposite direction so not to even let them have the slightest >chance to claim their claims then we have failed. > >They are a funny sort, them Serbs. They are so bloody stubborn and never >give up. We need to be even more stubborn. Stubborn to the highest degree >and never ever give up what we have - our beloved Kosova. > >So I say to you all brothers and sisters, do not fall for (as Chris says) >poor little serby-werbie stories and lies. Do NOT feel sorry for "their >sufferings" (because be damn sure that they ain't feeling sorry for yours, >nor for mine, nor for the sufferings of any Albanian alive), do NOT agree >with anything they say, do NOT be prepared to accept any apologies from >them (for what they have done), do NOT and do NOT and just do NOT. > >This one is just on the side. The other day I read an appalling piece of >information on QIK's website. Mr Gazmend Pula whom I used to respect >awfully much and who acts as head of Helsinki's committee for Human Rights >in Kosova said that position of the Kosovan Serbs is very bad. He even went >to say that their basic human rights have been drastically endangered. They >might have been. They most probably bloody are to a certain extent but, we >Albanians are not bloody supposed to say this and more so we do NOT need >these sorts of comments from leading Kosovan figures. They are very >damaging and shall cause us only problems and grief and then more problems >and more grief so we might end up where we were 10 years ago. > >I hope I am not being pushy and unclear in any way, and I do sincerely hope >that you have taken the message in. If you haven't then I've wasted my >time. > >With best regards, >Albert > > > > >>From: Christopher Fisher >>Reply-To: cfisher at mailbag.com >>To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >>Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US >>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0500 >> >>__________________________Albanian Discussion List________________________ >> Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html >>__________________________________________________________________________ >> >>Tung t? gjith?ve! >> >>I think Thomas has it right on the money, but sadly it seems that at >>least some folks in the Albanian community (at least here in the US), by >>my experience just "aren't getting it". The Mititch incident should >>serve as a wake-up call not only to the Albanian community and its >>supporters, but even to those poor souls who have been deluded into >>beliving the "poor little Serby-Werbies" image the Serb nationalists >>have tried to cultivate so hard the last dozen or so years. >> >>Where I live, in Madison WI, there was a "panel discussion" held on the >>aniversary of the start of the NATO bombings. Nick Kostich (who I would >>call a "sneazel", combining the worst elements of snake and weazel) was >>one of the participants, as well as a Serbian visiting prof. at the UW, >>and a very pro-Serbian radio commentator at a local "listener-sponsored" >>station known for its extreme left-wing views. The only half-way >>objective member of the panel was a local cartographer. There were no >>Albanians on the panel, nor was any attempt made to contact any members >>of the community until the last moment. I do not blame all of the >>organizers-the non-Serb ones seemed to be genuine in their desire to >>find an Albanian representative, but honestly did not seem to know where >>to look (and I am sure the Serbian-American woman who helped them to >>organize it, who is also a member of the Serbian Unity Congress did not >>help much in that regard either), due to the fact that our local >>Albanian community has quite a low profile, unfortunatly. >> >>The event came off as just what I thought it would: A love feast/pity >>party for the Serbs, and with plenty of half-whispered "National >>Enquirer" type sensationalism on the part of the "panelists" as to the >>mysterious plots and plans for the Albanians to bring about a state of >>"greater Albania", which of course it was aluded would be a >>fundamentalist Islamic state with aims of making Europe safe for Osama >>Bin Laden. >> >>But what was worst was the fact that there were *no* members of the >>Albanian community or supporters there other than myself! Though some >>could not attend because of the fact that it was a Friday evening, >>historically the busiest in the Restaurant business, others did not >>bother because, in the words of one chap "The Serbs have lost Kosova for >>good-who cares what they try to do now?" >> >>Folks, in the words of Yogi Berra: "It ain't over 'till it's over"! We >>cannot afford this kind of apathy. Though we hope Kosova will be truly >>independent, and it looks like the structures are being set into place >>for its de facto independence in 2 more years, we can afford to take >>nothing for granted. And the fact is that if we are apathetic over the >>Mititch incident, what then *will* it take for us to become suitably >>outraged, and realize that though the battle has been won, we still need >>to win the war? >> >>What can we do, then, to make sure that people are aware that this is >>how the Serbs have behaved, are behaving, and will behave for the >>forseeable future? Well, how about informational pickets (like perhaps >>at Attorney Kostich's home) and encouraging boycotts of Serb-run >>businesses whose owners have expressed anti-Albanian/Bosnian/Croat/etc. >>sentiments, or support for the current nationalist bent of the >>Serbo-slavian government? In Milwaukee, Serb Hall has a Friday night >>fish fry so popular that they had to put a drive up window to handle all >>the people. Wonder what would happen that fish fry if there were >>lawful, peaceful pickets every Friday out there? These protestations >>should be *permanent* until such time as the Serbian-American community >>retracts its support for Serb nationalism (esp. scum like Voislav >>Sheslj), and appologises for it's position. Cold day in hell before >>that happens, you say? Perhaps. But in that case, they may find it's a >>"hell" of a long time before they can go back to "business as usual". >> >>T? fala, >> >>Chris >> >> >>Thomas G. Coonan wrote: >> > >> > __________________________Albanian Discussion >>List________________________ >> > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html >> > >>__________________________________________________________________________ >> > >> > Mititch is following the example of Milosevic's thugs who stage acts of >> > violence in Kosova (against Serb civilians and property) so the >> > Albanians can be blamed by a gullible international community! They >>use >> > this also to justify their own violent rampages (ie. Mitrovica) as a >> > response for being the innocent victims! Liars, liars, liars! >> > >> > -TC >> > >> > MAN CHARGED IN BREAK-IN AT GUARD BASE >> > >> > [...] >> > Mititch is suspected of breaking into the 128th, scrawling graffiti on >> > two buildings and writing "Free Kosova" on a satellite dish at the Air >> > National Guard compound. >> > >> > [...] >> > '"Kosova" is the way Albanians refer to the region; Serbs refer to it >>as >> > "Kosovo." Mititch identified himself to Milwaukee police in 1998 as >> > Serbian. >> > >> > [...] >> > Asked why Mititch would spell "Kosovo" in the Albanian manner, Veleusic >> > shrugged and said, "Everyone is trying to trick somebody." >> > >> > Christopher Fisher wrote: >> > > >> > > __________________________Albanian Discussion >>List________________________ >> > > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html >> > > >>__________________________________________________________________________ >> > > >> > > To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >> > > From: cfisher at mailbag.com (Christopher Fisher) >> > > Subject: Serb Terror hits US >> > > >> > > This story was sent from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online: >>http://www.jsonline.com >> > > It was sent by Christopher Fisher (cfisher at mailbag.com) on Friday, >>July 21, 2000 at 01:33:07 >> > > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Name: Albanian Discussion List >> > > >> > > http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/jul00/128th21072000a.asp >> > > >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >> Albanian History >> http://www.albanian.com/main/history/index.html >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ >>Opinions expressed on ALBANIAN do NOT necessarily reflect the views of the >>owner, co-owners and/or moderators, nor any of their host institutions. >>**>>> Technical support: albanian-request at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu <<<<** > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 05:18:02 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 05:18:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US Message-ID: >hi everyone, Hi Jeton, >sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it >makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by >reactionary ignorance. I agree and yes my reaction (I cannot say anything about Chris's) probably was a bit hastie but I would not like to think of myself as ingnorante. In my opinion Kosovan Serbs are complaining because today they are in the most un-envious position they have been for the last probably 90 to 100 years (which for the Serbs is degrading). Of course it is their right to complain. What bothers me is that a lot of us feel genuinly sorry for them. I certainly feel sorry for the elder and less fortunate Serbs from all over Kosova but not for the thugs of Mitrovica, Graqanica etc. > >Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians Po un? jam shqip?tar i Kosov?s. >... but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, >Mira Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik >klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other >words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your >arguments are. I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly strugling to understand your above statement. >...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for >centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i >were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must >quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror >and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. >cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda... You actualy sound like a third party listener. >Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, >why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians are >endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and >Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it >*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like >Albert and Chris are fuel for this process. I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we (all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are destined to lose big time. >tung! Me nderime, Alberti ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 07:13:17 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu Jul 27 07:13:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly strugling to understand your above statement. You actualy sound like a third party listener. I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we (all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are destined to lose big time. Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your views on Albert's and Chris's writing. Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our own issues to worry much about theirs. When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us? Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to completion? If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of Kosova? I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will suffice to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to set rules for themselves. I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: "Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future we want for ourselves?" keep happy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 07:38:01 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 07:38:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: Jeton, I am not 100% sure what are you struggling with but it bloody well looks to me like you are refering to Besnik's and my comments as foolish. I don't think there is a need for such remarks but I am sure I would not call you a fool. Strangly enough, in one of your previous emails you refered to me as your friend. I knew then that was a metaphore. So long, Albert >From: "jeton ademaj" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >CC: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:12:26 EDT > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal >about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly >strugling to understand your above statement. > >You actualy sound like a third party listener. > >I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we >(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the >form >of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are >destined to lose big time. > > > >Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you >proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your >views on Albert's and Chris's writing. >Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we >should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our >own issues to worry much about theirs. >When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us? >Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for >us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to >completion? >If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all >that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the >goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of >Kosova? > >I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will >suffice >to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones >who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being >followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will >argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to >set rules for themselves. > >I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: > >"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future >we >want for ourselves?" > >keep happy > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 08:16:01 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:16:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Milosevic announces election date Message-ID: Te nderuar, Thursday, 27 July, 2000, 11:20 GMT 12:20 UK Milosevic announces election date Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has called presidential and... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_853000/853914.stm Tungat, Alberti ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 08:26:15 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:26:15 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: Hello all, Albert: >I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal >about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly >strugling to understand your above statement. Mira Markovic (Slobo's wife/demonmistress) was on the USA's premier newsprogram "60 Minutes" in spring '99, and she delivered a long string of garishly bald-faced lies about her regime, Serbia and Kosova. Her extreme contempt for the intelligence of the audience was palpable, and she, and monsters like her (Arkan, Goran Matic, Slobo) were wonderfully useful to the Albanian cause thru their excruciating appearances on American TV. They showed the people of the West just what sorts of creatures Albanians were up against... mealy mouthed Albanians who characterize grenade-launchings against children and elderly as 'serbi-werbi sufferings' sound just as bad, only weaker! >You actualy sound like a third party listener. your welcome. consider us all lucky that your opinions can be exposed to disinfecting sunlight b4 u can spam them out to the general public. >I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we >(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the >form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are >destined to lose big time. No, we are destined to lose big time if we alienate our counter-Serbia, our counter-Russia: NATO, particularly the USA, and not especially Greece and France ?(notice I don?t write France n Greece off, cuz either is currently more valuable to the USA n the rest of NATO than Albanians are). Albanians have suffered under empires or alliances of oppressors since b4 we were Albanians (ask Queen Teuta), and the key to Albanians freeing themselves of this (largely Slavic) Oppressor is thru alliance with it?s arch-rival, **the USA**. Anyone who thinks Albanians can take on the Slavic ?Empire? alone (or relying on, say, Pakistan) is smoking too much, or knows something no one else does? ?and that brings us to Besnik: >Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you >proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your >views on Albert's and Chris's writing. >Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we >should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our >own issues to worry much about theirs. OUR ISSUE IS OUR CONTROL OF KOSOVA. RANDOM MORTAR-FIRE ON CIVILIANS BESPEAKS A LACK OF ***RECOGNIZABLE, DIPLOMATICALLY HONORABLE*** CONTROL! ALBANIANS ARE RIGHT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT A FEW MANIACS DO NOT EQUAL U*C*K, OR T*M*K, OR ALBANIANS IN GENERAL! >When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us? >Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for >us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to >completion? What sort of vapid agit-prop is this? ?Mos e harrone Token Shiptare? should be the Agenda, not ?deteriorate Kosova into a proud xenophobic crimestate?! ?THAT is what the world decodes from such words, regardless of what u think you're saying! If the Serbian propaganda is that Albanians are ?wolves in sheep?s clothing? (?they claim to be civilized but they?re really mobster mujaheddin!!?), what can we expect of a (typically forgetful) world audience who then looks at Albanians like Albert and Besnik trying to mumble intolerance? yes, u guys are all mumbling! which is worse than outright declarations, it makes u sound shifty! >If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all >that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the >goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of >Kosova? NO, INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TOWARDS KOSOVA CANNOT, ***BY ITSELF*** BUILD A STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITHIN IT, ****BUT****, NO STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WILL EVER BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT IT! I REPEAT, ***DO WE WANNA FACE THE SIBERIAN HORDE ALONE, OR WITH THE WEST BACKING US UP?*** >I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will >suffice >to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones >who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being >followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will >argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to >set rules for themselves. LOL! You better stop indeed! What a puissant insight: ?leaders n followers??! very original??what rules would u be talking about, hmmmmm? HAVE U THE BALLS TO SPELL THEM OUT? CUZ IF U DON?T, BUT YER STILL WILLING TO HUFF N PUFF CRYPTICALLY, THEN ALL YOU ARE IS A LIVING BREATHING EXAMPLE OF THE ?ALBANIAN BOOGEYMAN? THESE ?SERBI WERBIS? ARE PROPAGANDIZING ABOUT! >I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: >"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future >we >want for ourselves?" BETTER: ARE WE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR OURSELVES, OR DO WE PREFER TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY VALIDATING THE WORST ANTI-ALBANIAN BIGOTRIES, LEAVING US VULNERABLE TO ALL THE OLD HORDES...? >keep happy KEEP ALERT, BE WISE jeton ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 08:42:01 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu Jul 27 08:42:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: Albert, I respect your right to your opinions, but i am not facile. When I characterize the noted opinions as foolish, i am being gentle, bcuz i am well aquainted with more accurate descriptions... i did not call u a fool per se. i do not know your reasoning or motivation enuff to characterize u, en toto, as a fool...but i wouldn't hesitate to say it if i thought it necessary...i would expect nothing less of my friends (whoever u are!). peace jeton >Jeton, > >I am not 100% sure what are you struggling with but it bloody well looks to >me like you are refering to Besnik's and my comments as foolish. > >I don't think there is a need for such remarks but I am sure I would not >call you a fool. > >Strangly enough, in one of your previous emails you refered to me as your >friend. I knew then that was a metaphore. > >So long, >Albert > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:01:14 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:01:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-E] foolishness Message-ID: Jeton, Te falemnderit per spjegimin reth M Markovic. > >Hello all, > >Albert: > >>I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal >>about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly >>strugling to understand your above statement. > >Mira Markovic (Slobo's wife/demonmistress) was on the USA's premier >newsprogram "60 Minutes" in spring '99, and she delivered a long string of >garishly bald-faced lies about her regime, Serbia and Kosova. Her extreme >contempt for the intelligence of the audience was palpable, and she, and >monsters like her (Arkan, Goran Matic, Slobo) were wonderfully useful to >the Albanian cause thru their excruciating appearances on American TV. They >showed the people of the West just what sorts of creatures Albanians were >up against... >mealy mouthed Albanians who characterize grenade-launchings against >children and elderly as 'serbi-werbi sufferings' sound just as bad, only >weaker! > >>You actualy sound like a third party listener. > >your welcome. consider us all lucky that your opinions can be exposed to >disinfecting sunlight b4 u can spam them out to the general public. Exposure of opinion to disinfecting sunlight sounds to me exactly like what you are doing. But, then I might be wrong. Oh, by the way did you mean span (full extent from and to end) or spam (tinned meat product mainly made from ham). Maybe spam is some sort of yank word, which it seams to me you are quite accustomed to. > >>I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we >>(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the >>form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we >>are destined to lose big time. > >No, we are destined to lose big time if we alienate our counter-Serbia, our >counter-Russia: NATO, particularly the USA, and not especially Greece and >France ?(notice I don?t write France n Greece off, cuz either is currently >more valuable to the USA n the rest of NATO than Albanians are). Albanians >have suffered under empires or alliances of oppressors since b4 we were >Albanians (ask Queen Teuta), and the key to Albanians freeing themselves of >this (largely Slavic) Oppressor is thru alliance with it?s arch-rival, >**the USA**. Anyone who thinks Albanians can take on the Slavic ?Empire? >alone (or relying on, say, Pakistan) is smoking too much, or knows >something no one else does? I did not say that we should alienate the western powers. Neither am I saying that we ought to take on the Slavic Empire alone nor with the help of Pakistan (strange suggestion by the way). All I am suggesting is that we should play the major role in determinignour future. This hardly qualifies for Kosovan ignorance towards the USA or any body else from NATO. >?and that brings us to Besnik: > >>Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you >>proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your >>views on Albert's and Chris's writing. >>Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we >>should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our >>own issues to worry much about theirs. >OUR ISSUE IS OUR CONTROL OF KOSOVA. RANDOM MORTAR-FIRE ON CIVILIANS >BESPEAKS A LACK OF ***RECOGNIZABLE, DIPLOMATICALLY HONORABLE*** CONTROL! >ALBANIANS ARE RIGHT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT A FEW MANIACS DO NOT EQUAL >U*C*K, OR T*M*K, OR ALBANIANS IN GENERAL! > >>When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for >>us? >>Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for >>us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to >>completion? > >What sort of vapid agit-prop is this? ?Mos e harrone Token Shiptare? should >be the Agenda, not ?deteriorate Kosova into a proud xenophobic crimestate?! >?THAT is what the world decodes from such words, regardless of what u think >you're saying! If the Serbian propaganda is that Albanians are ?wolves in >sheep?s clothing? (?they claim to be civilized but they?re really mobster >mujaheddin!!?), what can we expect of a (typically forgetful) world >audience who then looks at Albanians like Albert and Besnik trying to >mumble intolerance? > >yes, u guys are all mumbling! which is worse than outright declarations, it >makes u sound shifty! > >>If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, >>all >>that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the >>goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people >>of >>Kosova? > >NO, INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TOWARDS KOSOVA CANNOT, ***BY ITSELF*** BUILD A >STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITHIN IT, ****BUT****, NO STABLE AND SECURE >ENVIRONMENT WILL EVER BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT IT! I REPEAT, ***DO WE WANNA >FACE THE SIBERIAN HORDE ALONE, OR WITH THE WEST BACKING US UP?*** If we were to face the Ruskis and the Serbis then yes we would need western back up. >>I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will >>suffice >>to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones >>who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop >>being >>followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who >>will >>argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to >>set rules for themselves. > >LOL! You better stop indeed! What a puissant insight: ?leaders n >followers??! very original??what rules would u be talking about, hmmmmm? >HAVE U THE BALLS TO SPELL THEM OUT? CUZ IF U DON?T, BUT YER STILL WILLING >TO HUFF N PUFF CRYPTICALLY, THEN ALL YOU ARE IS A LIVING BREATHING EXAMPLE >OF THE ?ALBANIAN BOOGEYMAN? THESE ?SERBI WERBIS? ARE PROPAGANDIZING ABOUT! > >>I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: > >>"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future >>we >>want for ourselves?" > >BETTER: ARE WE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR >OURSELVES, OR DO WE PREFER TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY VALIDATING THE >WORST ANTI-ALBANIAN BIGOTRIES, LEAVING US VULNERABLE TO ALL THE OLD >HORDES...? > >>keep happy > >KEEP ALERT, BE WISE > >jeton Alberti >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:15:14 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:15:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: >Albert, I nderuari Jeton, >I respect your right to your opinions, but i am not facile. I understand from your last reply that there is no way that you could be facile. Amazing, we actually agreed on something. >When I >characterize the noted opinions as foolish, i am being gentle, bcuz i am >well aquainted with more accurate descriptions... I am sure you are mate. It's just that showing some courtesy to those that you are trying to defeat in an argument is a realy gentlemanly gesture which I know for a fact that is not widely spread in the yankland (where according to your spelling technique you live) >i did not call u a fool per se. i do not know your reasoning or motivation >enuff to characterize u, en toto, as a fool...but i wouldn't hesitate to >say >it if i thought it necessary...i would expect nothing less of my friends >(whoever u are!). As I said to you in one of my previous emails if I new you I am absolutely certain that the feeling would be mutual. >peace Peace it is then. Te pershendes, Alberti ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dardan at prishtina.com Thu Jul 27 09:28:01 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:28:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A po i transferoni qito diskutime ne prishtina-e at alb-net.com (anglisht)??? Tung -----Original Message----- From: prishtina-e-admin at alb-net.com [mailto:prishtina-e-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Albert Hyseni Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:17 AM To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com; cfisher at mailbag.com; ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Cc: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >hi everyone, Hi Jeton, >sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it >makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by >reactionary ignorance. I agree and yes my reaction (I cannot say anything about Chris's) probably was a bit hastie but I would not like to think of myself as ingnorante. In my opinion Kosovan Serbs are complaining because today they are in the most un-envious position they have been for the last probably 90 to 100 years (which for the Serbs is degrading). Of course it is their right to complain. What bothers me is that a lot of us feel genuinly sorry for them. I certainly feel sorry for the elder and less fortunate Serbs from all over Kosova but not for the thugs of Mitrovica, Graqanica etc. > >Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians Po un? jam shqip?tar i Kosov?s. >... but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, >Mira Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik >klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other >words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your >arguments are. I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly strugling to understand your above statement. >...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for >centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i >were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must >quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror >and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. >cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda... You actualy sound like a third party listener. >Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, >why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians are >endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and >Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it >*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like >Albert and Chris are fuel for this process. I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we (all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are destined to lose big time. >tung! Me nderime, Alberti ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________________ Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com Thu Jul 27 09:30:03 2000 From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:30:03 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0F84@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> -> -> ...and that brings us to Besnik: -> -> >Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out -> what are you -> >proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from -> giving us your -> >views on Albert's and Chris's writing. -> >Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar -> Albanians" we -> >should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be -> very busy with our -> >own issues to worry much about theirs. -> OUR ISSUE IS OUR CONTROL OF KOSOVA. RANDOM MORTAR-FIRE ON -> CIVILIANS BESPEAKS -> A LACK OF ***RECOGNIZABLE, DIPLOMATICALLY HONORABLE*** -> CONTROL! ALBANIANS -> ARE RIGHT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT A FEW MANIACS DO NOT -> EQUAL U*C*K, OR -> T*M*K, OR ALBANIANS IN GENERAL! There is no need to shout. My hearing is excellent and shouting will not strengthen your argument. We can express our opinions in a calm civilised way (after all aren't we trying to prove to the world that we are civilised.) Now that we established ground rules of this discussion to come back to it. Can you please explain where in my message you see my endorsement of any sort of violence? To clarify myself. I am not saying that we should conduct acts of violence against anyone, all am I saying is that instead of trying to react on events (either by condoning them or condemning them) we should be more proactive and concentrate on real issues. And can you please explain how does the declaration that serbs are threatened in Kosova remind the world that few maniacs are not UCK or TMK or albanians in general? Believe me serbs are saying (and have been saying) this for years. The truth is that not only serbs are threatened in Kosova at the moment, everyone is threatened by "few maniacs". Why only crying out for serbs? -> >When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones -> that matter for us? -> >Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the -> agendas set for -> >us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it -> through to -> >completion? -> -> What sort of vapid agit-prop is this? "Mos e harrone Token -> Shiptare" should -> be the Agenda, not 'deteriorate Kosova into a proud -> xenophobic crimestate"! -> ...THAT is what the world decodes from such words, regardless -> of what u think -> you're saying! If the Serbian propaganda is that Albanians -> are 'wolves in -> sheep's clothing' ("they claim to be civilized but they're -> really mobster -> mujaheddin!!"), what can we expect of a (typically -> forgetful) world audience -> who then looks at Albanians like Albert and Besnik trying to mumble -> intolerance? On the above paragraph you give the impression that world = Jeton Ademaj. I find this hard to swallow (not that I am trying anyway) -> yes, u guys are all mumbling! which is worse than outright -> declarations, it -> makes u sound shifty! I maintain that you have a right to have your opinion, but remember it is just your opinion, not world's. -> >If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been -> done to us, all -> >that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we -> need. Can the -> >goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment -> for the people of -> >Kosova? -> -> NO, INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TOWARDS KOSOVA CANNOT, ***BY -> ITSELF*** BUILD A -> STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITHIN IT, ****BUT****, NO -> STABLE AND SECURE -> ENVIRONMENT WILL EVER BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT IT! I REPEAT, -> ***DO WE WANNA -> FACE THE SIBERIAN HORDE ALONE, OR WITH THE WEST BACKING US UP?*** Why do you have a urge for shouting. Anyway, if maintaining that goodwill equates to substituting one master for another, than all we get is a slight improvement, I'll say from worse to bad. Yes if I have to choose between to evils I'll prefer the west. But in any case that is not what am I saying. All I am trying to say is that we should have the backing of the west not because they pity us (perpetual victims etc. etc.)but because they should see us as a valuable ally. We have to prove to the west that Albanians are significant factor for security in balkans, and that they are not going to compromise their rights for the sake of some peaceful solution. The question remains how to achieve this. Our energy should be going towards finding an answer to this question and not on superficial issues. -> >I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I -> believe it will -> >suffice -> >to say that there are two type of people, leaders and -> followers (the ones -> >who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we -> should stop being -> >followers and we should start setting some rules. And for -> the ones who will -> >argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one -> is to small to -> >set rules for themselves. -> -> LOL! You better stop indeed! What a puissant insight: 'leaders n -> followers...'! very original......what rules would u be talking -> about, hmmmmm? -> HAVE U THE BALLS TO SPELL THEM OUT? CUZ IF U DON'T, BUT YER -> STILL WILLING TO -> HUFF N PUFF CRYPTICALLY, THEN ALL YOU ARE IS A LIVING -> BREATHING EXAMPLE OF -> THE 'ALBANIAN BOOGEYMAN' THESE 'SERBI WERBIS' ARE -> PROPAGANDIZING ABOUT! I take it, by shouting constantly, you are trying to prove that you have the balls. I'll believe it when I see it. -> >I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: -> -> >"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what -> kind of future -> >we -> >want for ourselves?" -> -> BETTER: ARE WE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR -> OURSELVES, OR DO WE PREFER TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY -> VALIDATING THE -> WORST ANTI-ALBANIAN BIGOTRIES, LEAVING US VULNERABLE TO ALL THE OLD -> HORDES...? It all depend on ones interpretation of events. Only time will tell are we getting the future we want or have we shot ourselves in the foot, or any other place. -> >keep happy -> -> KEEP ALERT, BE WISE Can you please define "wise" be happy Besnik From dardan at prishtina.com Thu Jul 27 09:30:36 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:30:36 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Once again, move these discussions to prishtina-e at alb-net.com! -----Original Message----- From: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com [mailto:prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of jeton ademaj Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 7:12 AM To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Cc: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly strugling to understand your above statement. You actualy sound like a third party listener. I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we (all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are destined to lose big time. Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your views on Albert's and Chris's writing. Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our own issues to worry much about theirs. When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us? Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to completion? If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of Kosova? I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will suffice to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to set rules for themselves. I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly: "Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future we want for ourselves?" keep happy ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com _______________________________________________________ This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 09:38:01 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Thu Jul 27 09:38:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US Message-ID: Dardan, Po,ke te drejt plotesishte. Te kerkoj falje. Alberti >From: "Dardan Blaku" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror >hits US >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 09:31:07 -0400 > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >A po i transferoni qito diskutime ne prishtina-e at alb-net.com (anglisht)??? > >Tung > >-----Original Message----- >From: prishtina-e-admin at alb-net.com >[mailto:prishtina-e-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of Albert Hyseni >Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 5:17 AM >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com; cfisher at mailbag.com; >ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Cc: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits >US > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > >hi everyone, >Hi Jeton, > > >sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but >it > >makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by > >reactionary ignorance. >I agree and yes my reaction (I cannot say anything about Chris's) probably >was a bit hastie but I would not like to think of myself as ingnorante. In >my opinion Kosovan Serbs are complaining because today they are in the most >un-envious position they have been for the last probably 90 to 100 years >(which for the Serbs is degrading). Of course it is their right to >complain. >What bothers me is that a lot of us feel genuinly sorry for them. I >certainly feel sorry for the elder and less fortunate Serbs from all over >Kosova but not for the thugs of Mitrovica, Graqanica etc. > > > > >Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians >Po un? jam shqip?tar i Kosov?s. > > >... but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, > >Mira Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no >Et-nik > >klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in >other > >words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your > >arguments are. >I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal >about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly >strugling to understand your above statement. > > >...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history >for > >centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if >i > >were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must > >quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror > >and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at >propaganda. > >cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda... >You actualy sound like a third party listener. > > >Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real >blood, > >why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians are > >endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and > >Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but >it > >*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like > >Albert and Chris are fuel for this process. >I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we >(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the >form >of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are >destined to lose big time. > > >tung! >Me nderime, >Alberti > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From heki at freenetname.co.uk Sat Jul 29 13:14:01 2000 From: heki at freenetname.co.uk (Hekuran Vokshi) Date: Sat Jul 29 13:14:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] K-For soldier 'murdered Albanian girl' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Check out the whole story -http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_857000/857202.stm Heki From AVuniqi at aol.com Sun Jul 30 19:52:02 2000 From: AVuniqi at aol.com (AVuniqi at aol.com) Date: Sun Jul 30 19:52:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Anarkia Message-ID: Informimi i drejt? pasqyron jet?n dhe vdekjen Agim Vuniqi Vrasja e Nancy Camphell Panitz, 52 vje?e n? Sarasota, pes? or? pas shout ne TV te Jerry Springsit tregon nj? segment te jet?s amerikane q? ndodhi n? mes t? saj dhe ish bashk?shortit. Ajo u nd?shkua me vdekje nga ish burri i saj meq? tha n? show se ish bashk?shorti d?shiron t? pajtohet me t? q? u shpreh me klithje p?rkrahjeje t? auditoriumit (si? ?sht? praktik? e ?do show q? p?rcillet n? Amerik? me klithje apo duartrokitje nga auditoriumi). Miqt? e gjet?n t? mbuluar me gjak deri n? vdekje Nancy Cambell Panitz, pes? or? pas shout t? Jerry Springsit. Lidhur me k?t? rast q? shkatoi shqet?sime n? opinionin amerikan u prononcua Jerry Springs udh?heq?s i show-ut mjaft t? p?rcjellur n? televizionin publik "The show is televizion. This is life and death". Kjo nuk e v? aspak n? dyshim at? se duhet t? mbyllet televizioni, meq? ?sht? e drejt? hemelore e njeriut t? shpreh? mendimin e vet n? ?far?do kushtesh apo rrethanash. P?r paqart?sit? eventuale do t? tregon procedura hetuese dhe fjal?n e fundit do ta japin gjykatat e pavarura, jo n? lidhje me show-un por p?r kryer?sin e vepr?s. Kjo ?sht? e nd?rlidhur me nj? segment t? jet?s n? Kosov? ku Dagllas ??urdh?roi mbylljen e gazet?s "Dita" Esht? e drejt? themelore e gjihsecilit t? jetoj? i lir? dhe t? informohet, nuk mund t? ket? p?rjashtime n? k?t?, e aq m? pak p?r shqiptar?t t? cil?t e prit?n lirin? n? anarki, edhe pse n?n administrimin civil t? OKB-s?, kjo p?r m? tep?r n? t? v?rtet? tregon paaft?sin? e Kouschnerit dhe stafit t? tij drejtues. Kosova e traumatizuar, ku ne cdo p?llemb? te saj v?rehet krimi, djegiet, masakrimet e popullat?s civile, dhunimet, vrasjet e f?mij?ve, mbajtja e pengjeve shqiptar? n?p?r burgjet e Serbis?, d?shmi e gjalle e se cil?s jane varrezat masive, po p?rjeton dram?n e v?rtet njer?zore dhe turpin e burokracis? s? OKB-s?, ngaq? ne vend?se te krijohen mekanizmat institucional p?r mbrojtjen e t? gjith? qytetar?ve pa p?rjashtim, iu lejohet "ruajtesve te urave" n? Ib?r t? b?jn? spastrimin etnik t? popullat?s dhe ndarjen e qytetit t? xehtar?ve, lejojn? qarkullimin e lir? te krimineleve serb pa perpjekjen vendimtare per shkatrrimin e bandave ekstremiste te diktatorit te fundit ashtu si? u shprehe presidenti i Shba-ve Klinton per Millosheviqin gjate nje takimi te fundit me kancelarin e gjermanise Schroderin. Veli i mistershem i vrasjes se qytetareve pa u qartesuar deri ne fund vrasjet tregon qartazi se administatoret civil nuk mund te arrijne asgje me ekskomunikimin e qytetareve shqiptare e aq me pak me mbylljen e nje gazete ditore sic eshte "Dita", aq me pak kjo nuk eshte e drejte e askujt qe kete ta beje ne menyre arbitrare. Subjektet politike shqiptare, ne programin e te cilave eshte fjala e lire, nuk u prononcuan asnjehere lidhur me kete, kjo tregon qartazi edhe mashtrimin me elektoratin te cilet ia shpalosin programet e veta duke u thirrur ne vlerat e demokracise, por ne te vertete me "narcisoizmin" e tyre jane te ndare nga preokupimet dhe jeta e qytetareve te zakonshem. Asgje nuk arrihet me apele, por vetem me pune konkrete ne terren, nuk arrihet as me tubimet e ndara neper tubime partiake, ajo mund te arrihet vetem me biseda te drejtperdrjta me popullin, ngase pjesa dermuese e tyre nuk jane te anetaresuar ne subjekte politike, ata e deshirojne mireqenien, paqen, jeten e lire, te drejten per te punuar, e jo preferencat dhe koloritin partiak, e sforcuar me elementin rebel. TMK-ja si i vetmi institucion deri me tash i pranuar nga Bashkesia nderkombetare duhet ta gezoj perkrahjen e parezerve te gjithe qytetareve, sidomos per hulumtimin e krimeve qe behen ndaj te gjithe qytetareve. Sulmet e parreshtura te lobit serbe ne kongresin amerikan per nderprerjen e ndihmave financiare tregon qartazi synimin e tyre, tregon edhe nje element te rendesishem se TMK-ja ka perkrahjen e administartes se Klintonit, ka perkrahjen e senatit dhe kongresit amerikan, kjo eshte ne te vertet lidhja me e fuqishme e Amerikes me Kosoven. Po q? se do te pengohej fjala e lire ne te vertet do te ishim bashkepjesemarres te krimit, ngase kjo bene shtytejen me te fuqishme per te vendosur rregull, per te nderruar politken e deri tanishme strerile te administartoreve civile, qe per cdo rast duhet te japin informata objektive para gazetareve, por edhe neqoftese shkas i ndonje shkrimi mund te jete gazeta, per kete mund te ndeshkohet me gjobe gazetari, e jo te mbyllet gazeta, por para se gjithash duhet edhe te hulumtohen rastet se a punojne kriminelet ne radhet e UNMIK-ut, nese kjo ka te beje me te verteten atehere si mund tu besohet atyre qe ne emer te OKB-se punesojne kriminelet. Pavresisht prej problemeve te shumta qe ngerthejne ne vete shume paqartesi, mbeshtetja e qytetareve duhet te jete e parezerve ndaj KFOR-it, UNMIK-ut, OSB-es, Kouschnerit, ngase ata jane ketu ta ndihmojne demokracine e brishte shqiptare, edhe at?her? kur vlerat e demokracise dhe zhvillimi i demokracise eshte ne kunderthenie, por edhe ne reprezentimin e denje te saj. From uranm at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 10:05:02 2000 From: uranm at hotmail.com (URAN MAXHARRI) Date: Mon Jul 31 10:05:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje gerusht fjale Message-ID: Roza e bjeshkeve te Nemuna -Striptiz mendimesh- Ne labirintin e bjeshkeve te nemuna shkrihet miti rugovas,nen hijen e shkozave ne qiellin e dashuruar ne majat e tyre.Kuptimi i se ciles nuk ka te beje asgje me kete valle striptizi. Koreografia luftarake e valles ndeshet ne stagnimin e kenaqesise lakuriqe.Aty dyluftimet ne mes burrave prej dheut ,shkrihen ne orgazmin e valles me krismen e shpatave lart nen kupollen e erret.Domethenia e tyre valvitet si era e lisi,pamvaresisht kush eshte ngadhnjimtar.Tingujt e mejdanit dridhen ne qetesine e gjemimit,ku fuqia nuk ben te gjitha por mban te gjitha e strategjia nuk ka vend aty.Majet e bjeshkes bardh si bora nuk shkrihen dot e as qe lekunden nga lutje vuajtjesh,jane te bardha ,jane si Roza,e bardhe e ftohet,si merrola dashurie,te mallkuara. Ne odeon liria po rrjedh lot e vajton gjak. P.S.cdo korigjim eshte i mireseardhur. me rrespekt urani i maxharrve. (ky shkrim eshte inspirim nga kinematografia kosovare pak nga-gjurme te bardha- e ma pak nga -dashuria e bjeshkeve te nemuna ) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From uranm at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 10:11:01 2000 From: uranm at hotmail.com (URAN MAXHARRI) Date: Mon Jul 31 10:11:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje gerusht fjale Message-ID: >From: "URAN MAXHARRI" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje gerusht fjale >Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:02:39 GMT > > --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L --- > Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Roza e bjeshkeve te Nemuna > -Striptiz mendimesh- Ne labirintin e bjeshkeve te nemuna >shkrihet miti rugovas,nen hijen e shkozave ne qiellin e dashuruar ne majat >e tyre.Kuptimi i se ciles nuk ka te beje asgje me kete valle striptizi. > Koreografia luftarake e >valles >ndeshet ne stagnimin e kenaqesise lakuriqe.Aty dyluftimet ne mes burrave >prej dheut ,shkrihen ne orgazmin e valles me krismen e shpatave lart nen >kupollen e erret.Domethenia e tyre valvitet si era e lisi,pamvaresisht kush >eshte ngadhnjimtar.Tingujt e mejdanit dridhen ne qetesine e gjemimit,ku >fuqia nuk ben te gjitha por mban te gjitha e strategjia nuk ka vend >aty.Majet e bjeshkes bardh si bora nuk shkrihen dot e as qe lekunden nga >lutje vuajtjesh,jane te bardha ,jane si Roza,e bardhe e ftohet,si merrola >dashurie,te mallkuara. >Ne odeon liria po rrjedh lot e vajton gjak. > > P.S.cdo korigjim eshte i mireseardhur. me rrespekt urani i >maxharrve. (ky shkrim eshte inspirim nga kinematografia kosovare pak >nga-gjurme te bardha- e ma pak nga -dashuria e bjeshkeve te nemuna ) >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > >_______________________________________________________ >This list is for discussions in Albanian language only. > For English discusions, use the Prishtina-e list. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Mon Jul 31 14:10:56 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Mon Jul 31 14:10:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: hello all, here is an aricle documenting the process i've been warning about... pay particular attention to the statements from the UN police commander regarding enclaves (partition) in Kosova.... i suspect it's a growing burden for Kosova on her way to recognition of her independence... ps to dardan, i know u may block this from -l bcuz it's english, but it's certainly relevant..... Sunday, July 30 8:36 PM SGT Police warn of "enclavisation and mafia rule" after Kosovo violence PRISTINA, Yugoslavia, July 30 (AFP) - Four Kosovo Serbian homes were attacked by extremists in one night, a UN spokesman said Sunday, as a senior policeman warned the province faced "enclavisation" and mafia rule. Gary Carrell, regional commander of the international UN police force in Gnjilane, southwestern Kosovo, said that following attacks on minorities, "Albanians have lost their right not to have 'enclavisation'. They have had their chance." On Saturday a Serb house in the mixed town of Kosovo Polje near Pristina was attacked with a Molotov cocktail, Serb houses in nearby Obilic and Gnjilane in the southwest were hit by hand grenades and in Orahovac in the southwest another was burned to the ground, the spokesman said. The attacks, which caused no injuries, are apparently the latest in a series of ethnically motivated crimes directed against minority groups in the province. Previous attacks have been found to be the work of ethnic Albanian extremists. Many of the 100,000 Serbs still living in Kosovo, around a third of those who lived there before the province's 1998-1999 civil war, now live in enclaves guarded by soldiers of the KFOR multinational peacekeeping force. The ethnic separation has led to accusations from ethnic Albanian politicians that the international community is overseeing the cantonisation of the province. Carrell said his officers were trying their best to protect minorities from crime and allow normal life to continue, but their efforts were being frustrated by the refusal of local people to cooperate. "It's getting harder and harder to maintain the morale of my force," he told AFP. "The most frustrating thing is that the general population does not seem ready or willing to participate in democracy. If they don't understand that they need to help then there can't be a democracy," he said. Carrell compared the situation before the arrival of Kosovo's UN administration last year, when a huge Yugoslav security presence used often brutal means to control crime and unrest, with his own limited resources and powers, under which he had to rely on witnesses coming forward. "They are not willing to play their part if they see a serious crime," he said. If the population were not prepared to assist a democratic police force then the end result could only be a return to totalitarian government or the triumph of organised crime, he warned. "The worst case is that the mafia could control this place. That's the bottom line," he said. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com