From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Tue Feb  1 03:51:37 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Tue Feb  1 03:51:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Polje
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF481@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Hi Divi,

I hope that your information will help Keith. I would just like to point out
that the place is known to Albanians as Fush? Kosov? (which translates to
Kosova field). While most of the Albanians would have known about the place
if the full name was supplied, or if the railway was mentioned, very few
would know that Keith is talking about Kosovo Polje, only from the Polje. In
Kosova like in many other places where two different nationalities live,
many places have two names and one has to bear this in mind when inquiries
are made.
Anyway, to answer Keith's question, Fush? Kosova has the same city code as
Prishtina.

regards 

Besnik 

-----Original Message-----
From: Divi Beineke [mailto:dbein at osnabrueck.netsurf.de]
Sent: 31 January 2000 20:24
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Polje


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Hi Keith an all, who answered to Keith?s mail,

I can?t help with the phone number but I?m sure, there is a village called
"Kosova/o-Polje", a railwaystation must be there!
There had been an info at KFOR website on 19 th January:
"(...) Kosovo Polje to Lesak train -
KFOR Greek military police are providing the security on the KP to Lesak
train.
The train runs in both directions twice a day. It departs KP at 5:30 a.m.
and 3:20
p.m. and from Zvecan it departs at 7:08 a.m. and 4:58 p.m. Each day
approximately
200 people ride the train for work and  private business."
(http://www.kforonline.com/news/updates/nu_19jan00.htm)

I hope, this will help you in any way!

sincerly
Divi Beineke
--
"Reconstruction Kosova"
http://www.osnabrueck.netsurf.de:8080/~dbein/wiederaufbau.htm

>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:48:41 -0500 (EST)
> From: Sander Sinishtaj <ssander at ans.net>
> To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Phone Numbers
> Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>
> Hi Keith!
>
> I dont think that there is a city named Polje anywhere in Kosova.
> However, for the cities near Prishtina you would use the same telephone
> area code.
>
> thanx
>
> - Sander
>
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Keith Jordan wrote:
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Hi everyone, sorry to bother with a trivial problem, I'm trying to call
some
> > one that lives in Polje, about 6 kilometers south and west of Prishtina,
of
> > course this may not be the "whole" name of the village, but if you live
in
> > Prishtina it should be close enough to figure it out, I know the country
> > code is 381, but is there a seperate city code for Polje, I know
Prishtina
> > is 38.  Thanks for any help you can offer.  I really appreciate it.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >



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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb  1 10:34:55 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Tue Feb  1 10:34:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?nj=EB_shp=EBrblim_prej_10_markash_=21=21=21?=
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F69F7@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Nga nje lajm i QIK-ut, marre pa e t'vete t'zotin por, per te mire e pa
sherr.

U pla?kit?n mbi 600 mij? marka n? selin? e shoqat?s humanitare ACT Kosova

 Prishtin?, 1 shkurt (QIK) - T? diel?n persona t? maskuar pasi k?rc?nuan
rojen me arm? zjarri dhe e lidh?n, pla?kit?n mbi
600 mij? marka n? selin? e shoqat?s humanitare ACT Kosova. Pla?kit?sit
kishin thyer zyr?n dhe e kishin marr? me vete
kasafort?n k? gjendeshin parat? k?saj shoqate.

Drejtori i ACT Torkild Hojer deklaroi se k?to para ishin dedikuar p?r
popullin e Kosov?s. Ai tha se ACT Kosova ofron nj?
shp?rblim prej 10 markash p?r njoftimet q? do t? ?onin n? kapjen e
pla?kit?sve.

10 Maaarkaaaa!!! E paskan sose mu harxhite kta ACT-se. Boll kish me qene me
i dhene nga 2-3 marka. Keshtu per 10 marka, ndoshta, edhe hajnave vete ju
mushet menja me i kthye 600 000 DM.


Arianiti 
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From h-rengier at gmx.de  Tue Feb  1 10:35:48 2000
From: h-rengier at gmx.de (h-rengier at gmx.de)
Date: Tue Feb  1 10:35:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Prishtina-L digest, Vol 1 #127 - 3 msgs
References: <200002010500.AAA07725@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <16713.949419339@www1.gmx.net>

I thank you very much indeed for your message of today, but unfortunately
the subject given for today in conjunction with the location of station or
otherwise, is not of my passionate concern.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Tijeter Hany M.Rengier

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From ssander at ans.net  Tue Feb  1 10:40:43 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Tue Feb  1 10:40:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?nj=EB_shp=EBrblim_prej_10_markash_=21=21=21?=
In-Reply-To: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F69F7@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002011038120.394-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Arianit, 

pajtohem me ty sa i perket ironise se 10 Markave, por te kisha qene si
ACT-ja, nuk e kisha ofru as 1/100 e nje marke...por kisha prite ato pare
me u kthy, ndersa hajnat te nxihen me iniciativen e vete forcave legale
dhe popullit.
:)

tung

- Sander 


On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Arianit Celaj wrote:

> Nga nje lajm i QIK-ut, marre pa e t'vete t'zotin por, per te mire e pa
> sherr.
> 
> U pla?kit?n mbi 600 mij? marka n? selin? e shoqat?s humanitare ACT Kosova
> 
>  Prishtin?, 1 shkurt (QIK) - T? diel?n persona t? maskuar pasi k?rc?nuan
> rojen me arm? zjarri dhe e lidh?n, pla?kit?n mbi
> 600 mij? marka n? selin? e shoqat?s humanitare ACT Kosova. Pla?kit?sit
> kishin thyer zyr?n dhe e kishin marr? me vete
> kasafort?n k? gjendeshin parat? k?saj shoqate.
> 
> Drejtori i ACT Torkild Hojer deklaroi se k?to para ishin dedikuar p?r
> popullin e Kosov?s. Ai tha se ACT Kosova ofron nj?
> shp?rblim prej 10 markash p?r njoftimet q? do t? ?onin n? kapjen e
> pla?kit?sve.
> 
> 10 Maaarkaaaa!!! E paskan sose mu harxhite kta ACT-se. Boll kish me qene me
> i dhene nga 2-3 marka. Keshtu per 10 marka, ndoshta, edhe hajnave vete ju
> mushet menja me i kthye 600 000 DM.
> 
> 
> Arianiti 
> 




From h-rengier at gmx.de  Tue Feb  1 15:35:27 2000
From: h-rengier at gmx.de (h-rengier at gmx.de)
Date: Tue Feb  1 15:35:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] No subject chosen for the time being
References: <200002011700.MAA14198@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <20073.949437324@www12.gmx.net>

Dear Sir,

For the time being I do not have any subject to discuss as far as the I
can no longer see what I should specificaly share in a debate which could be
of any importantce to me apart from politic and culture which are both of
great interest to me and my yearning for both accounts.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Your sincerely
Hany M. Rengier

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From ssander at ans.net  Tue Feb  1 15:44:16 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Tue Feb  1 15:44:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] No subject chosen for the time being
In-Reply-To: <20073.949437324@www12.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002011543570.394-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

hey...Hany, 

what are you talking about, if I may?

thanx

- Sander 


On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 h-rengier at gmx.de wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Dear Sir,
> 
> For the time being I do not have any subject to discuss as far as the I
> can no longer see what I should specificaly share in a debate which could be
> of any importantce to me apart from politic and culture which are both of
> great interest to me and my yearning for both accounts.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Your sincerely
> Hany M. Rengier
> 
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> 
> 
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From Jhjr1751 at aol.com  Tue Feb  1 17:23:08 2000
From: Jhjr1751 at aol.com (Jhjr1751 at aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  1 17:23:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] No subject chosen for the time being
Message-ID: <67.13ab4e2.25c8b6a6@aol.com>

smile(<:)>



From dbein at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Tue Feb  1 17:26:55 2000
From: dbein at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Divi Beineke)
Date: Tue Feb  1 17:26:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] world wide email list - Action for albanian prisoners
Message-ID: <38975CAE.608B6F6C@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Dear friends,
I recieved another mail from Alice Mead (APP - Assoc. of Political
Prisoners)
Forward this mail if you like to and do your own!
Best regards
Divi Beineke

-------- Original Message --------
Betreff:   world wide email list
Datum:     Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:04:55 -0800 (PST)
Von:       ALICE MEAD <m_alice11 at yahoo.com>

ACTION

PLEASE WRITE BRIEFLY TO THESE EP MEMBERS AND REQUEST A SPECIAL
PROSECUTOR INVESTIGATION INTO THE ALBANIAN PRISONER SITUATION, WITH THE
AUTHORITY TO REFER CASES SUCH AS THE 1,600 DETAINEES KEPT ON WARRANTS TO

THE HAGUE FOR INVESTIGATION.

Please forward any replies to kosova at jps.net for the Assoc. of Political

Prisoners web site.

THANK YOU!

1. Doris Pack   Chairperson-Southeast Europe Deleg.
dpack at europarl.eul.int
2. Emma Bonino- ebonino at agora.stm.it
3. Elmar Brock-Chairman Human Rights  ebrok at europarl.eu.int
4. Bart Staes-- bstaes at europarl.eu.int
5. Patricia McKenna  - mckennap at iol.ie
6. Heidi Hautala  hautala at vihrealiitto.fi
7. Ole Krarup  ole.kraup at jur.ku.dk
8. Daniel Cohn-Bendit  dcohn-bendit at europarl.eu.int
9. Cecelia Malmstrom  cecelia at liberal.se
10. Hans_gert Poettering   hpoettering at europarl.eu.int
11. Per Gahrton  pgahrton at europarl.eu.int
12. Jose Pomes Ruis  pomes at abc.ibernet.com
13. Christina Prets  eu-buero.prets at members.at
14. Heidi Ruhle  hruhle at europarl.eu.int
15. Elisabeth Schroedter   eschroedter at europarl.eu.int
16  Staffan B. Linder  sbl at moderat@se
17. Gunilla Carlsson  gcarlsson at europarl.eu.int
18. Den Dover  ddover at demon.uk
19. Olivier Duhamel  oduhamel at europarl.eu.int
20. Olivier Dupuis  o.dupuis at agora.stm.it
21. Marialiese Flemming  mflemming at europarl.eu.int
22. Karl Heinz Florenz  kflorenz at europarl.eu.int
23. Michael Gahler  mgahler at europarl.eu.int
24. Vasco Graca Moura  vgm at mail.telepac.pt
25. Marco Pannaella  m.pannella at agora.it
26. Mihail Papayannakis  papagiannakis at syn.gr

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  1 19:50:30 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb  1 19:50:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 17
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002011946270.479-100000@alb-net.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:10:41 +0100
From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>

- Me 21. Janar 2000 n? Prishtin? "The Art Charter" dhe "Flex" organizuan
konsultimin p?rgatitor p?r mund?sin e organizimit t? festivalit t? par?
nd?rkomb?tar t? filmit n? Kosov?. N? k?t? tubim qen? t? pranish?m krijuesit,
regjisor?t dhe aktor?t e njohur t? filmit dhe teatrit kosovar si Isa Qosja,
Agim Sopi, Istref Begolli, Ilir Bokshi dhe t? tjer?t. Organizator?t e k?tij
konsultimi Arben Kastrati dhe Burim Berisha ftuan edhe p?rfaq?suesit e
organizatave nd?rkomb?tare UNHCR, OSCE dhe UNMIK-ut. N? konsultim ishte e
pranishme regjisorja e filmit dokumentar nga New York Susan Segerman.
Mendohet se festivali nd?rkomb?tar i filmit t? jet? manifestimi m? i
r?nd?sish?m q? ?sht? mbajtur ndonj?her? n? Kosov?. Organizator?t e
festivalit k?rkojn? nga krijuesit filmik q? t? b?jn? projekte p?rgatitore
dhe t? p?rpiqen dhe gjejn? donator t? vendit dhe nd?rkomb?tar.

- N? Gjilan n? kuad?r t? manifestimit tradicional "Flaka e Janarit 2000" u
hap ekspozita e artist?ve kosovar me mbi 42 punime n? piktur, grafik dhe
fotografi artistike. Fjal?n p?rsh?ndet?se e mbajti Luan Shahiqi, nd?rsa
ekspozit?n e hapi Demir Behluli. Punimet e Ramadan Arifit, Valbona Rexhepit
dhe Sabri Shaqirit u theksuan nga t? tjerat dhe u shp?rblyen nga juria.

- Me 25. Janar 2000 n? Prishtin? n? teatrin "Dodona" u prezentua shfaqja
"Audienca" sipas shkrimatrit t? madh ?ek V?clav Havel n? regjin? e Fatos
Berish?s. Rrolet kryesore i luajt?n Shkumbin Kryeziu, Armon Morina dhe t?
tjer?t.

- N? Gjilan u hap televizioni i par? privat "Vali" n? pron?sin dhe
udh?heq?sin e Dr. Selim Sulejmanit. Me rrjedhen e dendur t? kultur?s, artit
dhe shkenc?s dhe s? bashku me stacionin televiziv "Vali" dhe radiostacionet
"Gjilani", "Viktoria" dhe "Rinia", teatrit profesional "B. Musliu" dhe
shoq?rive kulturore, Gjilani z? vend t? r?nd?sish?m n? gjall?rimin e jet?s
kulturore n? Kosov?.

- N? Ferizaj kan? filluar p?rgatitjet p?r organizimin e festivalit t? 28 me
rradh "Kosovarja k?ndon - 2000". Festivali i sivjet?m padyshim do t? mbahet
n? kushte m? t? volitshme se aj i vitit t? kaluar. Si? njoftuan
organizator?t sipas t? gjitha gjasave festivali do t? mbahet n? gjysm?n e
par? t? vitit 2000.

- Organizator?t e festivalit t? kat?rt t? "Show Fest 2000", shpall konkursin
e k?ng?s n? zhanrin e muzik?s p?r f?mij?, p?r t? rinj?t dhe zbavit?se duke
p?rfshir? k?tu Rock-in, Rap-in etj. Artist?t munden t? marrin pjes? me m? s?
shumti dy k?ng?, t? cilat duhet t? jen? deri tani t? pabotuara. S? bashku me
k?ng?n duhet t? dor?zohet partitura, demoin?izimi, emri i autorit t? tekstit
dhe t? muzik?s. Materiali muzikor mundet t? dor?zohet deri me 15. Shkurt
2000 n? adres?n e organizator?ve EBC Company, Sheshi "N?na Terez?", n?
nd?rtes?n e Eximkosit. Numri i telefonit ++381 38 549 078. Festivali do t?
mbahet me 7/8/9. Prill 2000. Sponzor medial jan? RTV i Kosov?s dhe gazeta e
p?rditshme Rilindja.

- Teatri "Volcano" nga Anglia n? fillim t? muajit Shkurt do t? jet? mysafir?
i teatrit komb?tar t? Kosov?s me shfaqjen "Qyteti q? u ?mend". Regjisor? t?
k?saj vepre teatrale jan? Davies, Smith dhe Jana. Shfaqja p?rpos tjerash
p?rmban sekvenca muzikore nga Shqip?rija jugore t? marrura nga filmi
artistik shqiptar "Gjeneral Gramafoni". Premiera e k?saj vepre teatrale
?sht? dh?n? n? vitin 1995 n? Uellsin (Wales) per?ndimor.

P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  1 19:58:41 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb  1 19:58:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Mexhlisi?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002011956530.479-100000@alb-net.com>

Cka dmth kjo fjale?  E morra prej nje artikulli te Kosovapress-it.  Po
ashtu mendoj se Kosovapress-i me shume po i ben dem vetes se LDK-se me
keto shkrime keshtu...  
----

Mexhlisi i pacifistkve

 Bon, 1 shkurt (Kosovapress)
 Krejt nk fund tk janarit u mblodh mexhlisi famoz i pacifistkve nk
Prishtink pkr t'i
 dhknk lamtumirkn e fundit paralelizmit dhe institucionalizmit tk tyre
fiktiv. Ishte
 kjo rknia e maskave tk pacifistkve nk Sallkn e kuqe tk Pallatit tk Rinisk
nk
 maskaradkn e tyre 10- vjegare; grahmat e fundit pkr parlament, president
dhe qeveri
 fiktive! 

Lexoni krejt artikullin ne faqen e kosovapressit...




From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Wed Feb  2 04:02:21 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Wed Feb  2 04:02:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Mexhlisi?
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF48B@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Mexhlis - tubim, fjale ka prejardhje turke ose arabe nuk jam i sigurt.

Tung 

Besniku

-----Original Message-----
From: Etrit Bardhi [mailto:etrit at alb-net.com]
Sent: 02 February 2000 00:59
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Mexhlisi?


             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

Cka dmth kjo fjale?  E morra prej nje artikulli te Kosovapress-it.  Po
ashtu mendoj se Kosovapress-i me shume po i ben dem vetes se LDK-se me
keto shkrime keshtu...  
----

Mexhlisi i pacifistkve

 Bon, 1 shkurt (Kosovapress)
 Krejt nk fund tk janarit u mblodh mexhlisi famoz i pacifistkve nk
Prishtink pkr t'i
 dhknk lamtumirkn e fundit paralelizmit dhe institucionalizmit tk tyre
fiktiv. Ishte
 kjo rknia e maskave tk pacifistkve nk Sallkn e kuqe tk Pallatit tk Rinisk
nk
 maskaradkn e tyre 10- vjegare; grahmat e fundit pkr parlament, president
dhe qeveri
 fiktive! 

Lexoni krejt artikullin ne faqen e kosovapressit...


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From h-rengier at gmx.de  Wed Feb  2 10:17:08 2000
From: h-rengier at gmx.de (h-rengier at gmx.de)
Date: Wed Feb  2 10:17:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] contact with Kosovars
References: <200002011700.MAA14198@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <1056.949504533@www16.gmx.net>

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

Hi, I have been seeking contact with people of my age group 39 years or a
bit under for  various subjects which could be fruitfull to our development
in understanding about our dreams and aspirations in life or other subjects,
like political issues regarding Kosova in the region.

So please do't hesitate to write and start corresponding if you have the
time and space to do so.

My home page is as follows:http://www.geocities.com/hany_20

Looking forward to hearing from you shqiptare in English, German or
Arabic.

Your sincerely
Hany

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From ssander at ans.net  Wed Feb  2 14:24:44 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Wed Feb  2 14:24:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] News!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002011946270.479-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002021423530.394-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

              Kosovo Parallel Govt. Dissolves


PRISTINA, Yugoslavia -- Ethnic Albanian leader
              Ibrahim Rugova said Wednesday that the shadow
              government he operated in Kosovo for 10 years
              has been dissolved and will turn over millions of
              dollars to the U.N.-supervised administration
              running the province. 

              No official figure was available, but unconfirmed
              reports put the amount of money at close to
              $250 million. 

              "I reaffirm that all funds gathered and governed
              by parallel structures belong to people of Kosovo,
              and I expect that these funds will be available for
              the people of Kosovo through the Joint Interim
              Administrative structure," Rugova said. 

              Rugova's parliament on Monday failed to dissolve
              the government in what was supposed to be its
              last meeting, and agreed to meet again in 10
              days. 

              Protest against this action interrupted Tuesday's
              first meeting of the administration created to
              govern Kosovo with ethnic leaders. 

              But Rugova said Wednesday that the government
              and parliament "ceased to exist on Feb. 1, 2000,"
              adding that decision "confirms the signed
              agreement reached." 

              Rugova's Republic of Kosovo administration was
              never recognized by the governments of Serbia,
              of which Kosovo is a part, or Yugoslavia, made up
              of Serbia and Montenegro. The Rugova
              administration ran alternative education, health
              and other systems for the ethnic Albanian
              majority, using funds raised abroad. 

                  Copyright 2000 The Associated Press 


- Sander 


On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:10:41 +0100
> From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>
> 
> - Me 21. Janar 2000 n? Prishtin? "The Art Charter" dhe "Flex" organizuan
> konsultimin p?rgatitor p?r mund?sin e organizimit t? festivalit t? par?
> nd?rkomb?tar t? filmit n? Kosov?. N? k?t? tubim qen? t? pranish?m krijuesit,
> regjisor?t dhe aktor?t e njohur t? filmit dhe teatrit kosovar si Isa Qosja,
> Agim Sopi, Istref Begolli, Ilir Bokshi dhe t? tjer?t. Organizator?t e k?tij
> konsultimi Arben Kastrati dhe Burim Berisha ftuan edhe p?rfaq?suesit e
> organizatave nd?rkomb?tare UNHCR, OSCE dhe UNMIK-ut. N? konsultim ishte e
> pranishme regjisorja e filmit dokumentar nga New York Susan Segerman.
> Mendohet se festivali nd?rkomb?tar i filmit t? jet? manifestimi m? i
> r?nd?sish?m q? ?sht? mbajtur ndonj?her? n? Kosov?. Organizator?t e
> festivalit k?rkojn? nga krijuesit filmik q? t? b?jn? projekte p?rgatitore
> dhe t? p?rpiqen dhe gjejn? donator t? vendit dhe nd?rkomb?tar.
> 
> - N? Gjilan n? kuad?r t? manifestimit tradicional "Flaka e Janarit 2000" u
> hap ekspozita e artist?ve kosovar me mbi 42 punime n? piktur, grafik dhe
> fotografi artistike. Fjal?n p?rsh?ndet?se e mbajti Luan Shahiqi, nd?rsa
> ekspozit?n e hapi Demir Behluli. Punimet e Ramadan Arifit, Valbona Rexhepit
> dhe Sabri Shaqirit u theksuan nga t? tjerat dhe u shp?rblyen nga juria.
> 
> - Me 25. Janar 2000 n? Prishtin? n? teatrin "Dodona" u prezentua shfaqja
> "Audienca" sipas shkrimatrit t? madh ?ek V?clav Havel n? regjin? e Fatos
> Berish?s. Rrolet kryesore i luajt?n Shkumbin Kryeziu, Armon Morina dhe t?
> tjer?t.
> 
> - N? Gjilan u hap televizioni i par? privat "Vali" n? pron?sin dhe
> udh?heq?sin e Dr. Selim Sulejmanit. Me rrjedhen e dendur t? kultur?s, artit
> dhe shkenc?s dhe s? bashku me stacionin televiziv "Vali" dhe radiostacionet
> "Gjilani", "Viktoria" dhe "Rinia", teatrit profesional "B. Musliu" dhe
> shoq?rive kulturore, Gjilani z? vend t? r?nd?sish?m n? gjall?rimin e jet?s
> kulturore n? Kosov?.
> 
> - N? Ferizaj kan? filluar p?rgatitjet p?r organizimin e festivalit t? 28 me
> rradh "Kosovarja k?ndon - 2000". Festivali i sivjet?m padyshim do t? mbahet
> n? kushte m? t? volitshme se aj i vitit t? kaluar. Si? njoftuan
> organizator?t sipas t? gjitha gjasave festivali do t? mbahet n? gjysm?n e
> par? t? vitit 2000.
> 
> - Organizator?t e festivalit t? kat?rt t? "Show Fest 2000", shpall konkursin
> e k?ng?s n? zhanrin e muzik?s p?r f?mij?, p?r t? rinj?t dhe zbavit?se duke
> p?rfshir? k?tu Rock-in, Rap-in etj. Artist?t munden t? marrin pjes? me m? s?
> shumti dy k?ng?, t? cilat duhet t? jen? deri tani t? pabotuara. S? bashku me
> k?ng?n duhet t? dor?zohet partitura, demoin?izimi, emri i autorit t? tekstit
> dhe t? muzik?s. Materiali muzikor mundet t? dor?zohet deri me 15. Shkurt
> 2000 n? adres?n e organizator?ve EBC Company, Sheshi "N?na Terez?", n?
> nd?rtes?n e Eximkosit. Numri i telefonit ++381 38 549 078. Festivali do t?
> mbahet me 7/8/9. Prill 2000. Sponzor medial jan? RTV i Kosov?s dhe gazeta e
> p?rditshme Rilindja.
> 
> - Teatri "Volcano" nga Anglia n? fillim t? muajit Shkurt do t? jet? mysafir?
> i teatrit komb?tar t? Kosov?s me shfaqjen "Qyteti q? u ?mend". Regjisor? t?
> k?saj vepre teatrale jan? Davies, Smith dhe Jana. Shfaqja p?rpos tjerash
> p?rmban sekvenca muzikore nga Shqip?rija jugore t? marrura nga filmi
> artistik shqiptar "Gjeneral Gramafoni". Premiera e k?saj vepre teatrale
> ?sht? dh?n? n? vitin 1995 n? Uellsin (Wales) per?ndimor.
> 
> P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina
> 
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From rainerholm at t-online.de  Wed Feb  2 15:54:49 2000
From: rainerholm at t-online.de (Rainer Holm)
Date: Wed Feb  2 15:54:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] contact with Kosovars
References: <200002011700.MAA14198@alb-net.com> <1056.949504533@www16.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <12G6nW-0TE8IbC@fwd02.sul.t-online.de>

hi,
where are you living now? If you like to diskuss with a 25-years 
old student, you can contact me. I would be glad. Because in 
spite of WWW I don't find a perfect email-adress to contact the public of 
Kosovo, specially in Prishtina. What are you doing? Inform me as I will 
inform you about me.

going deeper- hipphopp figure.
Hear you soon.

the peh-rengier at gmx.de schrieb:
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> Dear Brothers and Sisters,
>
> Hi, I have been seeking contact with people of my age group 39 years or a
> bit under for  various subjects which could be fruitfull to our development
> in understanding about our dreams and aspirations in life or other subjects,
> like political issues regarding Kosova in the region.
>
> So please do't hesitate to write and start corresponding if you have the
> time and space to do so.
>
> My home page is as follows:http://www.geocities.com/hany_20
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you shqiptare in English, German or
> Arabic.
>
> Your sincerely
> Hany
>
> -- 
> Sent through Global Message Exchange - http://www.gmx.net
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From Jhjr1751 at aol.com  Wed Feb  2 16:11:08 2000
From: Jhjr1751 at aol.com (Jhjr1751 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  2 16:11:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] contact with Kosovars
Message-ID: <3c.100c111.25c9f745@aol.com>

please e mail me to jim



From puka at usa.net  Wed Feb  2 22:05:17 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Wed Feb  2 22:05:17 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pamvarsija kosoves ne internet ...
Message-ID: <20000203030257.5762.qmail@nw177.netaddress.usa.net>

Nga artikuli i NY-times (Feb 2)

"Paul Meyer of the committee has hooked up the United Nations and major relief
organizations via microwave antennas and from the proceeds is providing the
local university, news organizations, hospitals and schools with free
connections. Kosovo's computer owners no longer have to send e-mail via
Belgrade, and the university may soon apply for an Internet domain for Kosovo,
ko, a statement of sorts of sovereignty. "

Gembi.

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From di99bba at student.hk-r.se  Thu Feb  3 05:11:36 2000
From: di99bba at student.hk-r.se (`Nick BACCARDi)
Date: Thu Feb  3 05:11:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pamvarsija kosoves ne internet ...
In-Reply-To: <20000203030257.5762.qmail@nw177.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20000203110958.008fdc20@mail.student.hk-r.se>

Xeh?r me domain tonin ;) Shpresoj se nuk zgjat shum?... iu p?rsh?ndes t?
gjith?ve nga Suedia




At 10:02 PM 2/2/00 EST, you wrote:
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>Nga artikuli i NY-times (Feb 2)
>
>"Paul Meyer of the committee has hooked up the United Nations and major
relief
>organizations via microwave antennas and from the proceeds is providing the
>local university, news organizations, hospitals and schools with free
>connections. Kosovo's computer owners no longer have to send e-mail via
>Belgrade, and the university may soon apply for an Internet domain for
Kosovo,
>ko, a statement of sorts of sovereignty. "
>
>Gembi.
>
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Thu Feb  3 05:17:45 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Thu Feb  3 05:17:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 2 Killed as Rocket Hits a U.N. Bus for Serbs in Kosovo
Message-ID: <3899579A.1CD88BE9@nortelnetworks.com>

Zoti ju lashte shnosh e mos u merzitni
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/020300kosovo-violence.html
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From gugja at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  3 13:00:11 2000
From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:00:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000203175912.40115.qmail@hotmail.com>

      A veq dy i kan myte? Mos u merzitni se tjeter her kan me myt ma
  shume.Ju pershendes nga New Yorki,Arianiti.
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From deenijem at hotmail.com  Thu Feb  3 13:19:57 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:19:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Duhet maturi dhe kujdes
Message-ID: <20000203181925.21454.qmail@hotmail.com>

Miresejugjeta,
Te gjithe Shqipetaret dhe ne ve?anti Kosovaret duhet ta dijne se te gjithe 
kosovaret nuk mund te futen ne nje thes. Dhe eshte e drejt? se  te gjite nuk 
i takojne thesit te njejte nga aspekti i klasifikimit shoqeror.
Qellimi kryesor i te gjihte anti-kosovareve eshte qe t'i deshmojne rrejshem 
botes se edhe intelektualet dhe njerezit e lapsqve dhe internetit qe jane 
kosovare jane kriminel? dhe se edhe ta e perkrahin dhunen. Ketij kurthi te 
rrezikshem i ndimon shume fjalia yte Arianit, qe e ke shkruar ne kete rrjet. 
E po te duash te tregohesh trim hajde ne Prishtine e shtyju me dreqin ne ?do 
por te jetes ne Prishtine, ri pa drita me dite te tera, ri pa uje, shko ne 
pune i thyer komplet si njeri, i parruar dhe do ta shohesh trimerine kur 
puqet me modernen ne realitet.
Te gjithe ata qe punojne per nje Kosove te perparuar me nenkuptim -te 
pavarur duhet edhe ta dijne por edhe te punojne per te mire por edhe te 
ndalojne gjith?secilin qe tenton te shkaterroje imaxhin e Kosoves dhe 
popullit te vyeshem Kosovar.
Ju lutem me vellazerisht qe te kini kujdes
Burim Sadiku





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From LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca  Thu Feb  3 13:24:45 2000
From: LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca (Labinot Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:24:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20000203175912.40115.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <10002031323.aa13027@daneeka.flemingc.on.ca>

  A vetem dy... rrejti dikush tha se 22 e ume shkun $200 dje ne 
Restorant, me pas dit se per dy....?
 Ju lutem lajmeroni kur te ka te vdekte shki po jo ka dy,por mbi 22.
    
   Labinoti nga Kanadaja



From LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca  Thu Feb  3 13:30:21 2000
From: LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca (Labinot Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb  3 13:30:21 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <10002031327.aa08650@flemingx.flemingc.on.ca>

Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    3 Feb 00, 13:22
    To:      prishtina-l at alb-net.com, prishtina-l at alb-net.com
    Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)

Was read at 13:27, 3 Feb 00.




From Zenelito at aol.com  Thu Feb  3 15:27:03 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb  3 15:27:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Duhet maturi dhe kujdes( TOLERANC)
Message-ID: <47.1422ca2.25cb3e76@aol.com>

Mirdita                                   
Jam i lidhur qe dhjet dit ne internet me Prishtinen . 
Mendimi i juaj (Blerim Sadiku) me ka pelqy shum. Besoj se ne Kosovaret 
e kmei fituar nje respekt shum te madh ndaj Botes perendimore por ne 
qoft se vazhdojm ne kete drejtim bota do te na kthen shpinden dhe ne do te 
shikojm ko do te mbesim.
Ne duhet te jemi shembull i Botes qe ne jemi te gatshem ta ndertojm nje 
Kosove Stabile dhe tolerante ndaj tjera minoriteteve.
Besonem herdo kurdo ATA do ti ndjek koha jashte Kosoves



From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu Feb  3 16:55:25 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu Feb  3 16:55:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre
In-Reply-To: <3899579A.1CD88BE9@nortelnetworks.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a02b4bf9be00741@[165.247.70.64]>

Tung,

reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit me civile
jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese. Dikush qe
i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo te ndonje
kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin me kete --
kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin ata.

Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare cmimi
politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te UNHCR-it, cfare
cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne shtepite e tyre
ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare ne Serbi
(sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare cmimi ka
per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po paraqiten si
surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij incidenti, shansat
qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume afer
zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i jep edhe
nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe duhen per
njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa rroga qe
sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia jep edhe
nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet. A paskemi
arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?

-Besniku





From di99bba at student.hk-r.se  Thu Feb  3 17:10:03 2000
From: di99bba at student.hk-r.se ('Nick BACCARDi')
Date: Thu Feb  3 17:10:03 2000
Subject: SV: [Prishtina-l] marre
Message-ID: <004301bf6e93$7920bde0$1001a8c0@baccardi>

marre... po po marre q? ka njer?z q? mendojn? k?shtu... si ti po mendoj ani e paske emrin si timin... marre! 

E atyr? q? e kan? b? k?t? atentat i uroj jet? t? gjat? ;)
Besniku - Suedi

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Datum: den 3 februari 2000 22:56
?mne: [Prishtina-l] marre


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>Tung,
>
>reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit me civile
>jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese. Dikush qe
>i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo te ndonje
>kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin me kete --
>kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
>Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin ata.
>
>Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
>pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare cmimi
>politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te UNHCR-it, cfare
>cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne shtepite e tyre
>ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare ne Serbi
>(sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare cmimi ka
>per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po paraqiten si
>surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij incidenti, shansat
>qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume afer
>zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i jep edhe
>nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe duhen per
>njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa rroga qe
>sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia jep edhe
>nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
>shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet. A paskemi
>arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?
>
>-Besniku
>
>
>
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb  3 18:18:59 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb  3 18:18:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre
In-Reply-To: <v04003a02b4bf9be00741@[165.247.70.64]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002031818000.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Pajtohem me mendimin e Besnikut.   Qysh ia kemi fillu, cdo dite me larg e
me larg pavaresise do te shkojme... 

Etriti.

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Besnik Pula wrote:

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> 
> Tung,
> 
> reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit me civile
> jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese. Dikush qe
> i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo te ndonje
> kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin me kete --
> kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
> Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin ata.
> 
> Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
> pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare cmimi
> politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te UNHCR-it, cfare
> cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne shtepite e tyre
> ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare ne Serbi
> (sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare cmimi ka
> per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po paraqiten si
> surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij incidenti, shansat
> qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume afer
> zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i jep edhe
> nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe duhen per
> njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa rroga qe
> sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia jep edhe
> nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
> shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet. A paskemi
> arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?
> 
> -Besniku
> 
> 
> 
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From Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no  Fri Feb  4 00:46:29 2000
From: Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no (Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no)
Date: Fri Feb  4 00:46:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] I RERSHENDES TEGJITH SHQIPTARET E MAS SHUMTI MITROVICALIT!!!!!!!!
 !!!
Message-ID: <9104D564E9FDD011B3B00080D820788902830CA3@email.kbg.kos.no>

SOT DY NESER TRE

afrim.brahimi at fmc.kos.no




From Zenelito at aol.com  Fri Feb  4 00:53:23 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 00:53:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre
Message-ID: <e2.dcdd9d.25cbc32d@aol.com>

Pajtohem me mendimin e Besnik Pules
Ne qofte se mendojm ne duhet te hakmirremi ndaj tjera minoriteteve (Serbeve)
neve na nevoiten me dhjtra Vite por ende nuk mundemi te hakmirremi ndaj 
Serbeve qka na kan bere ata neve.
Prandaj ju lutekm mos ta perkrahim dhunen si aj trimi nga Suedia por ta 
ndertojm nje Kosove Stabile qe ne te mundemi te sillemi ne ter Kosoven pa pas 
frig.
Ne dime se jemi te nvarur nga Bota the ata do te investojn ne nje Kosove 
Stabile por ne qofte se dhuna nuk ndalet ata do ti reduktojn Investimet qe ne 
do ta kemi nje standard shume te ulet
Ne Buxhetin e Kosoves 2000 nevoiten edhe shume Para.



From Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no  Fri Feb  4 01:27:15 2000
From: Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no (Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no)
Date: Fri Feb  4 01:27:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: I PERSHENDES QAZIMIN,FADILIN,BEHXHETIN,BESNIKIN,XHEVDETIN,JET
 ONIN ,RAGIPIN, DHE,DAJEN
Message-ID: <9104D564E9FDD011B3B00080D820788902830CA5@email.kbg.kos.no>




> NDERIMET EMIJA  AFRIMO  PREJ NORVEGJIS
> 
> afrim.brahimi at fmc.kos.no
> 



From deenijem at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 04:25:48 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb  4 04:25:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Duhet te mobilizoht potencialiintelektual Kosovar
Message-ID: <20000204092516.86592.qmail@hotmail.com>

Faleminderit,
Bota Kosoves shpinen nuk ia kthen te pakten kjo pjesa perendimore e botes, 
dhe kane per te mbetur ketu per nje kohe te gjate, por te mbeten ketu dhe ne 
te mos integrohemi ne dinamizmin e zhvillimit te Kosoves si nje vend modern 
dhe te perparuar ose si nje vend qe te pakten te hyje ne rrjedha. Une 
momentalisht gjenden ne nje kurs specializimi ne veri te Frances sebashku me 
grupin e gazetareve Kosovare vetem per gazetari por kur na u dha rasti te 
shkojme ne nje teater u takuam shume rastesisht me kryetarin e Asociacionit 
te Teatrove Evropiane. Gjate bisedes miqesore ne ju propozuam qe ata t'i 
fusin ne familjen e tyre Evropiane te Teatrove nje ose dy teatrot Kosovare. 
Dhe ata rane dakord.
Fjalen e kam te mobilizimi i kapacitetit intelektual Kosovar. Gjat luftes me 
sa di dhe me sa kam degjuar intelektualet nuk kane patur mundesi qe te 
kontribuojne shume ne teren e tani e kane shancen qe te mobilizohen dhe 
fusin nenkontroll problematikes Kosovare.
Shkruhemi perseri derisa jemi gjalle.
Burim Sadiku




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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb  4 06:51:42 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb  4 06:51:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre???!!
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A13@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Diskurs nga kjo teme por prap ne lidhje me te.
Nuk po muj i bie ne fije se pse po lidhen gjerat si, liria e  Kosoves
Veriore (me Mitrovice), lirimi i te burgosurve me ate se sillemi tash dhe ne
te ardhmen.Te kuptohemi, nuk po hy ne ate se a u be mire apo keq qe u sulmua
autobusi. Se atehere po del qe ne kemi bere shume krime te tilla perpara
prandaj e kemi merituar, qe te na ri-okupohen pjeset e Kosoves dhe te na
mirren peng mijra njerez. Nuk e di pse, vec sa here qe po permendet
Mitrovica po me kujtohet Qiproja. Sic e dini, aty qe 20 vjet nuk pranohet
ndarja e saj ne dy copa dhe qe po aq vite trupat e UN-it e ruajne,  e ne nje
fare menyre, e legjitimojne ndarjen. Shume po kam dyshim se ceshtja e
Kosoves veriore, sa i perket perendimit, eshte e zgjdhur me heret (modeli i
Qipros). Edhe me teper dyshoj se sjelljet tona do t'ju ndrrojne kete model.
Dhe ju lutem, fjalite e tipit: hajde ti ketu e rri pa rryme e uje, lehte e
ke ti ne Suedi, Angli, Gjermani... nuk kujtoj se kane vend. Perjashtim eshte
kur te thuhen nga dikush qe ka patur armen ne dore dhe ka luftuar. Atyre
burrave, sepaku une personalisht, u kerkoj falje sa here qe zbardhe dita dhe
po aq here i bekoj. Fatkeqesisht dhe perkunder  asaj qe pohohet keta nuk
perbejne as 0.7 te popullates se Kosoves (numrat e mi te perafert,1.5 milion
banore dhe 10 000 luftetare). 
Keta, luftaret, zakonisht nuk ankohen per rryme e uje (se kane kane patur
momente shume me te veshtira gjate luftimeve) e sidomos nuk ankohen per ,
pritjen e keqe qe ju kane bere ne Shqiperi apo  per kualitetin e dobet te
makiato-ve ne Shkup, qe ka qene nje prej tragjedive te medha gjate historise
sone kombetare (gjithnje mendoj ne kualitetin e makiato-ve). Ata kurre nuk
jane ankuar : "Aaaa shume keq eshte situata, po duhet me u kthy nga kafiqat
ne shtepi, para ores 24". Flas per kohen kur u luftonte ne Bardh te madh
(ish Bellaqevc), e qe po te cohesh ne maje te gishtave, shihet nga
Prishtina,  viti 1998, e mos te flitet per Drenice e kufiri me Shqiperine. 
Keta as sot e kesaj dite nuk ankohen se: "Shume "guzhve" n'Prishtine be,
edhe kejt pej qetyne katunarve".
Me keta, run-away makiato boys-at, une ne Angli, ky tipi ne Suedi e te
tjeret ne "zapad" kemi shume te perbashketa dhe vetem dallimin kohor se kure
kemi ikur. Hej, ku ta dishe, ndoshta ne qe kemi ikur me heret jemi me
largapames se, sa per frigacak, po se po.
A jam gezuar qe u vrane kta dy shkije? Hic s'ma ka ni. A jam merzitur ? Edhe
ma jo se pares. A merzitna mos me pase shkije ne kete bote? Jo, hic. Mu ka
harxhite krejt merzia e tille kur 99.3 (bashk me mue) e popullates hjeki
keq, per disa muaj, tuj pi tyrlefar Makiato e tash shesim pallavra, te
mshefur pas fustanit te intelektualizmit liberal.
S'ka kurrfare mencunie ketu, Hasmi ka dasht dhe do plum.
Krejt o puna se kujt ja man me ja dhone qat plum.
Me t'mira
Urryesi i makiato-ve te dobeta, ikanaku, frigacaku me stazh qe 9 vjet
Arianit Celaj
Londer, Angli, UK 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Besnik Pula [SMTP:besnik at alb-net.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:42 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	[Prishtina-l] marre
> 
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Tung,
> 
> reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit me civile
> jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese. Dikush
> qe
> i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo te ndonje
> kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin me kete
> --
> kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
> Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin ata.
> 
> Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
> pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare cmimi
> politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te UNHCR-it, cfare
> cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne shtepite e tyre
> ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare ne Serbi
> (sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare cmimi ka
> per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po paraqiten si
> surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij incidenti, shansat
> qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume afer
> zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i jep edhe
> nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe duhen per
> njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa rroga qe
> sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia jep edhe
> nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
> shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet. A paskemi
> arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?
> 
> -Besniku
> 
> 
> 
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From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Fri Feb  4 08:25:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre???!!
References: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A13@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
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Arianit Celaj wrote:

>
>
> Diskurs nga kjo teme por prap ne lidhje me te.
> Nuk po muj i bie ne fije se pse po lidhen gjerat si, liria e  Kosoves
> Veriore (me Mitrovice), lirimi i te burgosurve me ate se sillemi tash
> dhe ne te ardhmen.Te kuptohemi, nuk po hy ne ate se a u be mire apo
> keq qe u sulmua autobusi. Se atehere po del qe ne kemi bere shume
> krime te tilla perpara prandaj e kemi merituar, qe te na ri-okupohen
> pjeset e Kosoves dhe te na mirren peng mijra njerez. Nuk e di pse, vec
> sa here qe po permendet Mitrovica po me kujtohet Qiproja. Sic e dini,
> aty qe 20 vjet nuk pranohet ndarja e saj ne dy copa dhe qe po aq vite
> trupat e UN-it e ruajne,  e ne nje fare menyre, e legjitimojne
> ndarjen. Shume po kam dyshim se ceshtja e Kosoves veriore, sa i perket
> perendimit, eshte e zgjdhur me heret (modeli i Qipros). Edhe me teper
> dyshoj se sjelljet tona do t'ju ndrrojne kete model.
>
> Dhe ju lutem, fjalite e tipit: hajde ti ketu e rri pa rryme e uje,
> lehte e ke ti ne Suedi, Angli, Gjermani... nuk kujtoj se kane vend.
> Perjashtim eshte kur te thuhen nga dikush qe ka patur armen ne dore
> dhe ka luftuar. Atyre burrave, sepaku une personalisht, u kerkoj falje
> sa here qe zbardhe dita dhe po aq here i bekoj. Fatkeqesisht dhe
> perkunder  asaj qe pohohet keta nuk perbejne as 0.7 te popullates se
> Kosoves (numrat e mi te perafert,1.5 milion banore dhe 10 000
> luftetare).
>
> Keta, luftaret, zakonisht nuk ankohen per rryme e uje (se kane kane
> patur momente shume me te veshtira gjate luftimeve) e sidomos nuk
> ankohen per , pritjen e keqe qe ju kane bere ne Shqiperi apo  per
> kualitetin e dobet te makiato-ve ne Shkup, qe ka qene nje prej
> tragjedive te medha gjate historise sone kombetare (gjithnje mendoj ne
> kualitetin e makiato-ve). Ata kurre nuk jane ankuar : "Aaaa shume keq
> eshte situata, po duhet me u kthy nga kafiqat ne shtepi, para ores
> 24". Flas per kohen kur u luftonte ne Bardh te madh (ish Bellaqevc), e
> qe po te cohesh ne maje te gishtave, shihet nga Prishtina,  viti 1998,
> e mos te flitet per Drenice e kufiri me Shqiperine.
>
> Keta as sot e kesaj dite nuk ankohen se: "Shume "guzhve" n'Prishtine
> be, edhe kejt pej qetyne katunarve".
> Me keta, run-away makiato boys-at, une ne Angli, ky tipi ne Suedi e te
> tjeret ne "zapad" kemi shume te perbashketa dhe vetem dallimin kohor
> se kure kemi ikur. Hej, ku ta dishe, ndoshta ne qe kemi ikur me heret
> jemi me largapames se, sa per frigacak, po se po.
>
> A jam gezuar qe u vrane kta dy shkije? Hic s'ma ka ni. A jam merzitur
> ? Edhe ma jo se pares. A merzitna mos me pase shkije ne kete bote? Jo,
> hic. Mu ka harxhite krejt merzia e tille kur 99.3 (bashk me mue) e
> popullates hjeki keq, per disa muaj, tuj pi tyrlefar Makiato e tash
> shesim pallavra, te mshefur pas fustanit te intelektualizmit liberal.
>
> S'ka kurrfare mencunie ketu, Hasmi ka dasht dhe do plum.
> Krejt o puna se kujt ja man me ja dhone qat plum.
> Me t'mira
> Urryesi i makiato-ve te dobeta, ikanaku, frigacaku me stazh qe 9 vjet
> Arianit Celaj
> Londer, Angli, UK
> -----Original Message-----
>
>      From:   Besnik Pula [SMTP:besnik at alb-net.com]
>      Sent:   Thursday, February 03, 2000 9:42 PM
>      To:     prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>      Subject:        [Prishtina-l] marre
>
>                   --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>              Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>      Tung,
>
>      reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit
>      me civile
>      jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese.
>      Dikush qe
>      i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo
>      te ndonje
>      kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin
>      me kete --
>      kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
>      Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin
>      ata.
>
>      Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
>
>      pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare
>      cmimi
>      politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te
>      UNHCR-it, cfare
>      cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne
>      shtepite e tyre
>      ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare
>      ne Serbi
>      (sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare
>      cmimi ka
>      per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po
>      paraqiten si
>      surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij
>      incidenti, shansat
>      qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume
>      afer
>      zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i
>      jep edhe
>      nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe
>      duhen per
>      njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa
>      rroga qe
>      sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia
>      jep edhe
>      nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
>
>      shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet.
>      A paskemi
>      arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?
>
>      -Besniku
>
>
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From samik at kohaditore.com  Fri Feb  4 10:02:56 2000
From: samik at kohaditore.com (samik at kohaditore.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 10:02:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] a e pate kete lajm
Message-ID: <002801c629a7$5edb85c0$fb00330a@koha>

S'di a keni degjuar se tash kemi edhe 7 te vrare shqiptare ne MItrovice - lajmi me i ri 
Samiu
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From gugja at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 10:03:50 2000
From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI)
Date: Fri Feb  4 10:03:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000204150206.36282.qmail@hotmail.com>

      Ju qe i kini be do reagime pa lidhje ku po ju djeg juve? mos
jeni miq te shkive? si Millosheviqi si Shesheli si Arkani krejte
shkijet jon,ska lidhje a jane te veshur ne rroba civile apo jane ne
autobus civil ata jane shkije.Ju qe kokeni shume te shqetsuar per
raste qe ka ndodhe zoti ju lashte shnosh,veq ata qe e ka prek ne
zemer shkau aje smendon shume sikur ju,aje don me u hakmarr,e shkoni
ati thuni se eshte per te keqen e Kosoves.Sa ma shume shkije vrahen
ne Kosove aq ma shpejte vjen pavarsia.Tre shqipetar jan vra ne  Mitrovic dje 
e ajo seshte kurgjo per juve qe kokeni te dhimshem.
     Ju e kini mendimin e juv kurse ne mendimin ton,nuk mundemi me u
pajtu me mendime por as nuk mundemi me u perqa.
       Kalofshit mire.Arianiti.
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From ssander at ans.net  Fri Feb  4 10:15:23 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Fri Feb  4 10:15:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] a e pate kete lajm
In-Reply-To: <002801c629a7$5edb85c0$fb00330a@koha>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002041005260.394-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Lajm mjaft tmerrues...dhe personalisht, besoj se kjo eshte teme, shume me
e rendesishme per diskutim, se sa vrasja e dy serbeve, te cilet lehte mund
te jene edhe kriminele lufte! Poashtu te shtoj se pa lirimin e
Mitrovices dhe largimin e forcave te NATO's, nuk ka mbarim lufte ne
Kosove, keshtu qe  mos te befasohemi per sulme te tilla, aty-ketu!

pershendes te gjithe!
- Sander 


On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 samik at kohaditore.com wrote:

> S'di a keni degjuar se tash kemi edhe 7 te vrare shqiptare ne MItrovice - lajmi me i ri 
> Samiu
> 




From samik at kohaditore.com  Fri Feb  4 10:42:20 2000
From: samik at kohaditore.com (samik at kohaditore.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 10:42:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
References: <20000204150206.36282.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c629ac$e092ab20$fb00330a@koha>

Arianit ketu askush nuk tha qe i dhimbsen ata shkie qe jane vra - edhe po te
siguroj qe nuk i dhimbsen hiq ama bash hiq - vec kujtojeni cfare demi i
shakakton situates aktuale kjo gje edhe kujt i shkon per shtati krejt kjo
situate e krijjuar dhe pasojat qe sjell ajo - kaq
em te mira
Samiu
----- Original Message -----
From: ARIANIT MATOSHI <gugja at hotmail.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 4:02 PM
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)


>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>       Ju qe i kini be do reagime pa lidhje ku po ju djeg juve? mos
> jeni miq te shkive? si Millosheviqi si Shesheli si Arkani krejte
> shkijet jon,ska lidhje a jane te veshur ne rroba civile apo jane ne
> autobus civil ata jane shkije.Ju qe kokeni shume te shqetsuar per
> raste qe ka ndodhe zoti ju lashte shnosh,veq ata qe e ka prek ne
> zemer shkau aje smendon shume sikur ju,aje don me u hakmarr,e shkoni
> ati thuni se eshte per te keqen e Kosoves.Sa ma shume shkije vrahen
> ne Kosove aq ma shpejte vjen pavarsia.Tre shqipetar jan vra ne  Mitrovic
dje
> e ajo seshte kurgjo per juve qe kokeni te dhimshem.
>      Ju e kini mendimin e juv kurse ne mendimin ton,nuk mundemi me u
> pajtu me mendime por as nuk mundemi me u perqa.
>        Kalofshit mire.Arianiti.
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Feb  4 11:11:36 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:11:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] a e pate kete lajm
In-Reply-To: <002801c629a7$5edb85c0$fb00330a@koha>
Message-ID: <v04003a01b4c0a7dfc00e@[165.247.66.249]>

Muj me marre me mend dikund ne ndonje liste te serbeve (ndoshta beograd-l),
dikush e shperndane kete lajm dhe te tjeret pergjigjen "vec 7 i paskan vra,
a, tjeter here 10", "sot 7 e neser 8". E keshtu, e bejme kete pune si
futboll, sa here te vritet naj shqiptar e serb, ne si "shikues" i
brohorisim ekipit tone. Sa lehte eshte me u talle me jetat e njerezve te
ulun rahat perpara ekranit te kompjuterit!

Une nuk thashe se duhet me u vajtu vdekja e serbeve, po me dale e me
beritit "uraaaaaa!" me duket jo vetem e pamoralshme, por edhe miopi e madhe
tu e marre parasysh se cfare pasoja kane per Kosoven aktet e ketilla.

-Besniku

P.S. Sander, sipas lajmeve, ata dy serbe qe jane vrare ne autobus kane qene
dy pleq. Ju lutem, mos ta percjellim logjiken e Milosheviqit, i cili
thoshte se femijet, grate dhe pleqte shqiptare jane terrorista, e me te
njejten logjike te themi se femijet, grate dhe pleqte serbe jane kriminele
lufte!

At 5:23 PM +0100 2/4/06, samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> S'di a keni degjuar se tash kemi edhe 7 te vrare
> shqiptare ne MItrovice - lajmi me i ri






From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb  4 11:14:39 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:14:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Peacekeepers Clash With Albanians in Kosovo
Message-ID: <389AF55D.7FA5D30C@nortelnetworks.com>

Lajm rreth ngjajeve ne Mitrovice. 

KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Yugoslavia (Reuters) - NATO-led
          peacekeepers fired tear gas in the Kosovo town of Mitrovica on
Friday
          to disperse ethnic Albanians angry at a night of violence
which left five
          people dead and about 20 wounded. 

          French and Italian troops sought to quell the crowd after some
people
          threw rocks at them on the Albanian-dominated southern side of
the
          ethnically divided town. 

          About five peacekeepers were wounded, one with a broken arm,
in the
          clashes, French forces said. The dead were all ethnic
Albanians, while 15
          of the wounded were Serbs.

Lexoni krejt artikullin ne :

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/international/international-yugosla.html
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb  4 11:35:29 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:35:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A1D@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Para se ti them ato qe dua ti them ne lidhje me kete teme, se pari, te
sqaroj se keto qe po i them nuk ja drejtoj askujt personalisht dhe as nuk
duhet te mirren si te tilla. Kohet e fundit , ja une jam bere i marre, ja
njerezit  shume te ndieshem dhe po i marrin gjerat personalisht. Tekefundit
gjerat per te cilat po bisedojme jane shume me te rendesishme se sedra e
prekur o ndoj individi.
Kjo fjali eshte krejt e ngjajshme sikur,  kur e njejta gje thuhej per sulmet
qe i kryente atehere "dora e zgjatur e Serbise"  UCK-ja. Edhe atehere thuhej
se keto sulme i shkojne per shtati vetem Serbise dhe disa qarqeve
kolaboracioniste. A po? Po, a i keni pyetur ata qe u kane mbetur shtepiat
(apo edhe vete gjenden aty) ne pjesen e ri-okupuar te Kosoves se, sa jane
duke e gezuar kete "liri"? A i keni pyetur, kujt po i shkon per shtati kjo
qe asgje nuk po behet per clirimin e kesaj pjese te Kosoves (jo vec
Mitrovica por edhe dy komuna tjera)? Cfare demi po i shkakton kjo (vrasja e
shkijeve)  situates se njerzve qe vdiqen (nga shkijet) dhe familjeve te
mbetura te tyre? Deri kure duhet te rrejme vehten me liri gjysmake? Po,
eshte mbase e vertete, se shume kujt mund ti prishet rehatia por, atyre qe
nuk kane rehati kjo nuk ka si  tu ndodhe, a po?
Arianiti (Tjeter) Celaj

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> Sent:	Saturday, February 04, 2006 5:03 PM
> To:	prishtina-l
> Subject:	Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
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> Arianit ketu askush nuk tha qe i dhimbsen ata shkie qe jane vra - edhe po
> te
> siguroj qe nuk i dhimbsen hiq ama bash hiq - vec kujtojeni cfare demi i
> shakakton situates aktuale kjo gje edhe kujt i shkon per shtati krejt kjo
> situate e krijjuar dhe pasojat qe sjell ajo - kaq
> em te mira
> Samiu
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From ssander at ans.net  Fri Feb  4 11:39:08 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:39:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] a e pate kete lajm
In-Reply-To: <v04003a01b4c0a7dfc00e@[165.247.66.249]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002041116510.394-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Besnik, 

po i pergjigjem P.S.-it!  :))

Sa i perket vdekjes se dy pleqeve serb, besoj se qillimi i ketij akti ka
qene tejet tjeter.  Fati i tyre ishte i tille. Ndersa ne krahasim me
pleqte Shqiptare ne Kosove dhe fatit te tyre, as mos ta permendim. Kur
vjen te qortimi apo emerimi i krimineleve te luftes, ka kush ti denoje apo
ti legjitimoje ata, mirepo besoj se kemi te drejte te spekulojme, ndaj se
jemi tejet te prekur me keto akte.

tung.  

- Sander 


On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Besnik Pula wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Muj me marre me mend dikund ne ndonje liste te serbeve (ndoshta beograd-l),
> dikush e shperndane kete lajm dhe te tjeret pergjigjen "vec 7 i paskan vra,
> a, tjeter here 10", "sot 7 e neser 8". E keshtu, e bejme kete pune si
> futboll, sa here te vritet naj shqiptar e serb, ne si "shikues" i
> brohorisim ekipit tone. Sa lehte eshte me u talle me jetat e njerezve te
> ulun rahat perpara ekranit te kompjuterit!
> 
> Une nuk thashe se duhet me u vajtu vdekja e serbeve, po me dale e me
> beritit "uraaaaaa!" me duket jo vetem e pamoralshme, por edhe miopi e madhe
> tu e marre parasysh se cfare pasoja kane per Kosoven aktet e ketilla.
> 
> -Besniku
> 
> P.S. Sander, sipas lajmeve, ata dy serbe qe jane vrare ne autobus kane qene
> dy pleq. Ju lutem, mos ta percjellim logjiken e Milosheviqit, i cili
> thoshte se femijet, grate dhe pleqte shqiptare jane terrorista, e me te
> njejten logjike te themi se femijet, grate dhe pleqte serbe jane kriminele
> lufte!
> 
> At 5:23 PM +0100 2/4/06, samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > S'di a keni degjuar se tash kemi edhe 7 te vrare
> > shqiptare ne MItrovice - lajmi me i ri
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From fisnike at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 11:40:51 2000
From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:40:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000204164015.36239.qmail@hotmail.com>

A i din dikush emrat e te vrarerve dhe te plagosurve shqiptare ne 
incidinetin qe ndodhi ne Mitrovice?

Sinqerisht,

Venera Bekteshi



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From deenijem at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  4 11:50:21 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb  4 11:50:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Mbiemri i dy te vrareve
Message-ID: <20000204164945.60286.qmail@hotmail.com>

Tung Venera,

Mbiemri i dy prej te vrareve eshte VOCA. Kete lajm e mora nga redaksia ime e 
Radios se Kombeve te Bashkuara.
Burimi
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Fri Feb  4 14:31:20 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Fri Feb  4 14:31:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: RE: [Prishtina-l]
References: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A13@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <8549.949692674@www10.gmx.net>

fakt eshte qe shkijet e vrare ne autobus(e tjeter kunde), qofshin pleq apo
jo, kujt dhimte sju kane. por edhe fakt eshte se budallaki ma e madhe se me
sulmu autobusin e UNHCR, tu pase shkije tjeterkunde sa han dreqi, nuk ka,
prandaj ec e mos i thuj ketij akcioni dore e zgjatur e Serbise, kur, me
siguri, veq asaj i shkon pershtati.
akcionet e tilla  kunder pesonave ne bese te NATO-se (apo UNO-se) jane
edhe prerje ne bese e ketyre dy aleateve, qe, me duket se po harrojme, kane
ardhur per ne (edhe pse tash ndoshta perfitohet bindje ndryshe). e ai qe
spajtohet, le ta kapercen ibrin e le t'ia nise prej spitalit qe pe majne shkijet
te pushtum e te poshte. pushka top ju bofte.

por "dikun" na u ka lidhe ne nyje neve, as nuk mujtum mu kape ne lufte e
as ne kete (pseudo)paqe:
shkijet ia arrijne per nje nate me i vra 6 shqiptare e ne asnje. qashtu
edhe gjate luftes, perkunder vullnetit te madh edhe vetesakrfices se madhe te
ushtarve tone, doren ne zemer, suksese ne beteja ka pase pak e mos te them
hiq (e kur po i kqyri qeqenet po jet me thane hiq). krahasimin e mitrovices
me qipron, siq e beri arianit cela, eshte shume me vend edhe te bene me tku
shku te ftofti deri ne funde te shpines kur e veren se sa shance reale eshte,
qe mitrovica te mbetet ne duar te gjithkujte tjeter perveq te shqiptareve.
e ne vend se paria jone te merren me kete problem konkret, ata i marrin
hygjym njeri tjetrit, bejne transakcione te pushteteve qe si kane pase kurre
(shihe Rugoven&Co) dhe ia lajne fajin krejtve perveq vetes per mitrovicen e
ndare (shihe Thaqin&Co), edhe pse sipas ketyre te fundit ata e kane qliruar
Kosoven!!!

me tmira, shyqa

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From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Feb  4 14:32:32 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri Feb  4 14:32:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To:  <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A1D@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a00b4c0d7acfca0@[165.247.66.249]>

At 4:14 PM +0000 2/4/00, Arianit Celaj wrote:
>Kjo fjali eshte krejt e ngjajshme sikur,? kur e njejta gje thuhej per
>sulmet qe i kryente atehere "dora e zgjatur e Serbise"? UCK-ja. Edhe
>atehere thuhej se keto sulme i shkojne per shtati vetem Serbise dhe disa
>qarqeve kolaboracioniste. A po? Po, a i keni pyetur ata qe u kane mbetur
>shtepiat (apo edhe vete gjenden aty) ne pjesen e ri-okupuar te Kosoves se,
>sa jane duke e gezuar kete "liri"? A i keni pyetur, kujt po i shkon per
>shtati kjo qe asgje nuk po behet per clirimin e kesaj pjese te Kosoves (jo
>vec Mitrovica por edhe dy komuna tjera)? Cfare demi po i shkakton kjo
>(vrasja e shkijeve)? situates se njerzve qe vdiqen (nga shkijet) dhe
>familjeve te mbetura te tyre? Deri kure duhet te rrejme vehten me liri
>gjysmake? Po, eshte mbase e vertete, se shume kujt mund ti prishet rehatia
>por, atyre qe nuk kane rehati kjo nuk ka si? tu ndodhe, a po?

Po a mund te thuash, sulmimi i autobusave te UNHCR-it sa e permireson jeten
e ketyre njerezve qe po i permend, apo sa e ndihmon clirimin e Mitrovices?
Sepse sipas kesaj qe thua ti, nese po te kuptoj drejte, del se vrasja e
civileve serbe eshte dicka e mire per Kosoven, e nese qenka e mire, atehere
te lutem shpjegoma si e pse.

-Besniku





From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Feb  4 15:49:55 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri Feb  4 15:49:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova Training Initiative
Message-ID: <v04003a08b4c0ebdabb29@[165.247.73.173]>

Kosova Training Initiative

The Kosova-based team of epc EUROPEAN PROJECT CONSULTANTS has developed
a "Kosova Training Initiative" in order to meet the needs of NGOs
active in reconstruction and development assistance. In the near
future, local staff has to get able to work by itself. Many employees
should get the skills to be trainers themselves.

 Available Training Modules are

 1. Self-Organisation of the Community
 2. Micro-Enterprise Training
 3. SME Training
 4. Management Training for Kosova Corporations
 5. Global Economic Training
 6. Train the Trainer

 We have mobilised our 25 years of experience in business training
around  the world. Especially, Kosova expatriates will be asked to
bring their  theoretical and practical management know-how into the
region. There are  many executive employees, independent business
people, freelance professionals and successful corporate managers who
have yet agreed to  participate as guest speakers, resource persons or
trainers.

Please see our Website http://www.epc-eu.com for more.

Please let us know if we can be of service to your projects by
realising a training soon.

Sincerely yours,

Hans-Gerd Spelleken
 _____________________________________________________

 epc EUROPEAN PROJECT CONSULTANTS S.A.
 Avenue des Arts 50, boite 16
 B-1000 Bruxelles, Belgium
 Tel +32 2 5137770
 Fax +32 2 5137781
 balkan at epc-eu.com
 http://www.epc-eu.com
 _____________________________________________________





From sami at prishtina.com  Fri Feb  4 16:36:26 2000
From: sami at prishtina.com (sami at prishtina.com)
Date: Fri Feb  4 16:36:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] marre
References: <004301bf6e93$7920bde0$1001a8c0@baccardi>
Message-ID: <000b01c6298e$7c193740$fb00330a@koha>

pajtohem me Besnik Pulen, kurse ty Besniku tjeter ne Suedi te kisha thene
vec marre edhe gjynah qe ke shpenzu kohe kot jashte...
Samiu
----- Original Message -----
From: 'Nick BACCARDi' <di99bba at student.hk-r.se>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:10 PM
Subject: SV: [Prishtina-l] marre


>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>
> marre... po po marre q? ka njer?z q? mendojn? k?shtu... si ti po mendoj
ani e paske emrin si timin... marre!
>
> E atyr? q? e kan? b? k?t? atentat i uroj jet? t? gjat? ;)
> Besniku - Suedi
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Fr?n: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
> Till: prishtina-l at alb-net.com <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Datum: den 3 februari 2000 22:56
> ?mne: [Prishtina-l] marre
>
>
> >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >Tung,
> >
> >reagimet qe i pashe ne kete liste rreth sulmit kunder autobusit me civile
> >jo vetem qe me indinjuan por jane shume tronditese e shqetesuese. Dikush
qe
> >i gezohet vdekjes se njerezve te pafajshem vec se jane serbe apo te
ndonje
> >kombesie tjeter -- e jo vetem qe i gezohet por edhe rreh gjoksin me
kete --
> >kjo nuk mund te krahasohet me asgje tjeter pos me ideologjine e
> >Milosheviqit, Sheshelit, Arkanit e shovenisteve qe i perkrahin ata.
> >
> >Kjo nuk eshte vetem cnjerezore, me iu gezu vdekjes se njerezve te
> >pafajshem, por edhe politikisht naive, e nuk mendoni pak cfare cmimi
> >politik bart vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem ne autobus te UNHCR-it, cfare
> >cmimi ka per shqiptaret ne Mitrovice qe duan te kthehen ne shtepite e
tyre
> >ne Mitrovicen veriore, cfare cmimi ka per te burgosurit shqiptare ne
Serbi
> >(sa prej tyre do ta pesojne per shkak te ketij incidenti?), cfare cmimi
ka
> >per fatin e Kosoves, kur shqiptaret gjithnje e me teper po paraqiten si
> >surrogate te krimineleve serbe, e ku tashti, mbas ketij incidenti,
shansat
> >qe serbet do t'i bashkohen administrates se perbashket jane shume afer
> >zeros. Jo qe Kosova nuk mundet pa kete grusht serbesh, por kjo i jep edhe
> >nje arsye(tim) Evropes qe te mos jep pare per Kosoven, pare qe duhen per
> >njerez pa shtepi, per arsimtaret e per punetoret qe po punojne pa rroga
qe
> >sa e sa muaj. Ia shton arsenalin propagandes se Beogradit, e ia jep edhe
> >nje argument kundershtareve te pavaresise se Kosoves, qe thone se
> >shqiptaret jane nje tufe derrash qe nuk dine te drejtojne shtet. A
paskemi
> >arsye me u gezu e me qeshe?
> >
> >-Besniku
> >
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________________
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> >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Feb  4 18:42:16 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri Feb  4 18:42:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: I PERSHENDES QAZIMIN,FADILIN,BEHXHETIN,BESNIKIN,XHEVDETIN,JET
 ONIN ,RAGIPIN, DHE,DAJEN
In-Reply-To: <9104D564E9FDD011B3B00080D820788902830CA5@email.kbg.kos.no>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002041840110.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Dardan, ku duhen njerezit me i dergu urimet per radio?

Etriti.

P.S.

E pershendes Shyhreten edhe Zaden...

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 Afrim.Brahimi at fmc.kos.no wrote:

> > NDERIMET EMIJA  AFRIMO  PREJ NORVEGJIS
> > 
> > afrim.brahimi at fmc.kos.no




From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Feb  5 15:29:39 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Feb  5 15:29:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet Connection in Prizren
In-Reply-To: <389C7D5D.39AEECA4@kosova-info-line.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002051528270.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

I think that there is no internet connection in Prizren yet, I might be
wrong.  Maybe someone from the prishtina-l list will be able to answer
this question.

Etrit.

On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Divi Beineke wrote:

>  
>                      --- Prizren-L Discussion Forum ---
> 
> Hi Hakan,
> I wasn?t even sure, that this list still exists!
> If nobody answered to your mail, you might try the mailinglist of
> Prishtina,
> - http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l -
> more mailing is running there and maybe you?ll find someone there to
> answer your question!
> 
> Regards
> Divi Beineke
> --
> "Wiederaufbau Kosova / Reconstruction Kosova"
> http://www.osnabrueck.netsurf.de:8080/~dbein/wiederaufbau.htm
> 
> Hakan Kayhan schrieb:
> 
> >                      --- Prizren-L Discussion Forum ---
> >
> > Hi,
> > I am new in your list. I want to know; Is there
> > internet connection at Prizren?
> >
> > Thanks to your answers.
> >
> > Hakan Kayhan
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Feb  5 15:54:46 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Feb  5 15:54:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 2, 8
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002051547500.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Njani ne liste pyeti se cfare lidhje kane ata dy serbet e vrare ne autobus
me shqiptaret ne pjesen veriore te Mitrovices.  Me keqardhje u pa shume
shpejte se vrasja e 8 shqiptareve ishte rrjedhoje e drejteperdrejte e
sulmit ne autobus.  Prandaj shqiptaret duhet te jene me largpames, e te
mendojne se cfare konsekuence do te keni veprimet e tyre, e jo te shkojne
te sulmojne nje autobus qe eshte nen percjellje te organizatave te huaja
(edhepse ky sulm duket teper teper naiv, e ndonjehere mendoj mos kete sulm
e kane ndermarre vete serbet per t'a c'rregulluar situaten)...

Duke shpresuar se shqiptaret e evakuuar nga pjesa veriore e Mitrovices te
kthehen sa me shpejte ne vatrat e tyre...

Etriti.




From arapi55 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  6 07:25:01 2000
From: arapi55 at yahoo.com (Arben ARAPI)
Date: Sun Feb  6 07:25:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet Connection in Prizren
Message-ID: <20000206122459.14373.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com>

IOM (International Organization for Migration) is
setting up an Internet Cafe in Prizren. It should have
been up running last week but because they experienced
some difficulties establishing sat connection they
postponed the opening for a week or two. Internet
connection will be free of charge but 30min/day limit
per person will be applied. IOM will open Internet
Cafes in major cities of Kosova. They have already
opened up one in Prishtina (in Bibloteka), and believe
it or not, some of the computers they are using for
public access are Silicon Graphics!!!.

--- Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I think that there is no internet connection in
> Prizren yet, I might be
> wrong.  Maybe someone from the prishtina-l list will
> be able to answer
> this question.
> 
> Etrit.
> 
> On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Divi Beineke wrote:
> 
> >  
> >                      --- Prizren-L Discussion
> Forum ---
> > 
> > Hi Hakan,
> > I wasn?t even sure, that this list still exists!
> > If nobody answered to your mail, you might try the
> mailinglist of
> > Prishtina,
> > -
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> -
> > more mailing is running there and maybe you?ll
> find someone there to
> > answer your question!
> > 
> > Regards
> > Divi Beineke
> > --
> > "Wiederaufbau Kosova / Reconstruction Kosova"
> >
>
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> > 
> > Hakan Kayhan schrieb:
> > 
> > >                      --- Prizren-L Discussion
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> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > I am new in your list. I want to know; Is there
> > > internet connection at Prizren?
> > >
> > > Thanks to your answers.
> > >
> > > Hakan Kayhan
> > >
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Mon Feb  7 06:56:08 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Mon Feb  7 06:56:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A20@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Besnik Pula [SMTP:besnik at alb-net.com]
> Sent:	Friday, February 04, 2000 7:30 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
> 
> Po a mund te thuash, sulmimi i autobusave te UNHCR-it sa e permireson
> jeten
> e ketyre njerezve qe po i permend, apo sa e ndihmon clirimin e Mitrovices?
> Sepse sipas kesaj qe thua ti, nese po te kuptoj drejte, del se vrasja e
> civileve serbe eshte dicka e mire per Kosoven, e nese qenka e mire,
> atehere
> te lutem shpjegoma si e pse.
> 
> -Besniku
> 
> 
> 
	Do ta jap pergjigjen ma banale qe mund ta marresh (se, po get, kaq
jane mundesit e mia intelektuale):
	- Nashta po, e nashta jo.  
	Ne vazhdim arsyetim i gjate per kete pergjigje te shkurte:
	- se sado qe kam provuar ne jete, kurre nuk kam mundur ta parashof
te ardhmen.
	- e di qe, ashtu si ka qene ceshtja/ndarja  e Mitrovices ngadale por
sigurte pranohej si rrealitet. Nuk di cfare prova tjera historike na duhen
se me llafe nuk fitohet asgje (kush i permendi ne liste politikanet tane).
	- sic u pa, nga ngjarjet qe pasuan pasi e shkrova e-mailin tim, ne
Mitrovice pati shume te vrare , e ndodhe qe ky numer te rritet dhe nga ky
aspekt, te flitet per "permiresimin e jetes se tyre", natyrisht se,  nuk ka
kuptim. (pjesa "nashta jo" e pergjigjes)
	- kujtoj se, megjithate,  ceshtja e Mitrovices levizi nga vendi (kam
shume kujtime te hidhura me fjalen status-quo) dhe u be e madhe, ma merr
mendja se keto ngjarje e kane pershpejtuar zgjidhjen e ceshtjes, po c'ka di
une, pranova se nuk jam prognozer i mire, te presim. 
	- nese zgjidhet si  kemi deshire ne, atehere mund te flitet per
"permiresimin e jetes se" atyre banorve Mitrovicas qe mbesin gjalle dhe tere
neve tjereve. (nashta po). Mos u tutni nuk do tju them "A ju kam thane be".
	- prap nuk pu muj i iki analogjise me kohen kur thuhej se, keto
aksione te UCK-se (kam fjalen per 1993 e tutje) vec cojne uje ne mulli te
shkijeve,  se ata do te na vrasin si hakmarrje, se ne lufte nuk do te kemi
shanse perballe makinerise se forte te shkijeve. Me kete nuk them se pas
tere kesaj (sulmi i autobusit)fshihet UCK-ja. Nuk me kujtohet se ku e kam
degjuar nje fjali," Ne lufte nuk ka fitues dhe humbes, ka vetem humbes dhe
me humbes". Lirine (gjysmake) e kemi por ja qe kemi edhe viktima.
	Edhe atehere nuk e kam ditur se a do te na dali me mire qe po niset
lufta (nashta po e nashta jo), por,  ma ka marre mendja se zgjidhja, cfare
do qofte, po pershpejtohet. 
	- duhet patur parasyshe se, sipas disa lajmeve nga Kosova thuhet se
me keta autobusa udhetojne edhe paramilitare dhe kriminele te ndryshem (per
shkije gjithcka besoj). E keta autobuse po lidhin "enklavat" e mbetura te
shkijeve ne Kosove. Mire, kesaj here ishin disa civile, nuk kam nevoje te
pyes se si do te  ndiheshim sikur ndonjeri nga te vraret te ishte Igiqi, a
Trajkoviqi, a ndoj kriminel tjeter.  
	- sa do qe tingllon banale (mu kane teke sot) Pa u bo keq nuk po u
bejka ma mire. 
	-  Me e-mailin tim te kaluar nuk desha te them decidivisht se vrasja
e civilve shkije eshte gjithsesi dicka e mire per Kosoven por, nese kjo do
ta shpejtoje zgjidhjen e ceshtjes atehere nuk me duket as fort gje e keqe.
Une me teper po kam dyshim ne pohimin decidiv se ky sulm po i ndihmon
shkijeve. Po get, pos prognozes  paskam problem edhe me shprehjen e
mendimeve te mia.

	Per fund, nga pervoja ne listat e ngjashme te diskutimeve shiptare,
me duhet paraprakisht, ti ngrehi mburojat e mia (ngjashem me shields ne
starship enterprise) para se te me sulmojne ciniket:
	- Plotesisht e ndaje dhimbjen me familjet e viktimave, si shumica e
Kosovarve edhe une kam viktima ne familjen time gjate kesaj lufte. Edhe nje
i vdekur i vetem eshte i tepert, ska fjale por, nese kjo ka qene kerkese per
"kurban" qe te zgjidhet Mitrovica, so be it.
	- Dhe, jo. Nuk jami i zoti e trim ( sikurse 99.7 perqind e
Kosovarve), andaj qeroj e-pordha me ju ketu. Nga pikveshtrimi egoist, kam
ngushllim se, paskam shume shoke. Po te isha i zoti, tash do t'kisha qene ne
pjesen veriore te Mitrovices me arme ne dore  tuj i njeke shkijet ku jane e
ku s'jane, e edhe civilet se nuk e kane lype ma mire.

	Ju prifte e mbara
	Arianit Celaj
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 11:05:28 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb  7 11:05:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet Connection in Prizren
In-Reply-To: <20000206122459.14373.rocketmail@web221.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002071104020.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Wow, Silicon Graphics computers in Prishtina!!  That's great news... are
they used or new... Arben, do you know the model?

Etrit.

On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> IOM (International Organization for Migration) is
> setting up an Internet Cafe in Prizren. It should have
> been up running last week but because they experienced
> some difficulties establishing sat connection they
> postponed the opening for a week or two. Internet
> connection will be free of charge but 30min/day limit
> per person will be applied. IOM will open Internet
> Cafes in major cities of Kosova. They have already
> opened up one in Prishtina (in Bibloteka), and believe
> it or not, some of the computers they are using for
> public access are Silicon Graphics!!!.
> 




From Zenelito at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 11:21:09 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb  7 11:21:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
Message-ID: <be.1263b27.25d04ad1@aol.com>

si mundem te lidhem me Gjilanin?
Ju lutem te me informoni



From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 13:40:45 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon Feb  7 13:40:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
In-Reply-To:  <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A20@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a05b4c4b12591b8@[165.247.70.116]>

At 11:55 AM +0000 2/7/00, Arianit Celaj wrote:
>Do ta jap pergjigjen ma banale qe mund ta marresh (se, po get, kaq jane
>mundesit e mia intelektuale):
>- Nashta po, e nashta jo.?
>Ne vazhdim arsyetim i gjate per kete pergjigje te shkurte:
>- se sado qe kam provuar ne jete, kurre nuk kam mundur ta parashof te ardhmen.
>- e di qe, ashtu si ka qene ceshtja/ndarja? e Mitrovices ngadale por
>sigurte pranohej si rrealitet. Nuk di cfare prova tjera historike na duhen
>se me llafe nuk fitohet asgje (kush i permendi ne liste politikanet tane).
>
>- sic u pa, nga ngjarjet qe pasuan pasi e shkrova e-mailin tim, ne
>Mitrovice pati shume te vrare , e ndodhe qe ky numer te rritet dhe nga ky
>aspekt, te flitet per "permiresimin e jetes se tyre", natyrisht se,? nuk
>ka kuptim. (pjesa "nashta jo" e pergjigjes)
>
>- kujtoj se, megjithate,? ceshtja e Mitrovices levizi nga vendi (kam shume
>kujtime te hidhura me fjalen status-quo) dhe u be e madhe, ma merr mendja
>se keto ngjarje e kane pershpejtuar zgjidhjen e ceshtjes, po c'ka di une,
>pranova se nuk jam prognozer i mire, te presim.
>
>- nese zgjidhet si? kemi deshire ne, atehere mund te flitet per?
>"permiresimin e jetes se" atyre banorve Mitrovicas qe mbesin gjalle dhe
>tere neve tjereve. (nashta po). Mos u tutni nuk do tju them "A ju kam
>thane be".

Ajo qe theksova une si arsye pse vrasja e civileve (serbe ose shqiptare)
eshte e papranueshme jane:

1) Vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem eshte krim. (pike) Nuk ka ketu asnje
arsyetim se "e bera ne emer te kombit" apo "i vrava per te miren e
Kosoves". Cdo krim i tille duhet te denohet, pavaresisht prej pasojave
politike, shoqerore, ekonomike e te tjera te krimit. Perndryshe ne shoqeri
krijohet nje kulture e krimit, ku vrasja, plackitja e dhuna behen pjese
normale e jetes. Ne qofte se kesi te ardhme deshironi per Kosoven, atehere
m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.

2) Vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove nuk po i kontribuojne permiresimit te
gjendjes ne Kosove, as tash, as ne shikim afatgjate. Krimet etnike ne
Kosove vetem po e pengojne procesin e stabilizmit ne Kosove, ndertimin e
institucioneve te pushtetit dhe zhvillimin ekonomik. Mos te flasim per
perspektiven per pavaresi. Ne qofte se kete jeni duke ia deshiruar Kosoves,
atehere prape m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.

Ne baze te kesaj qe thua ti, vrasja e civileve mund te jete e mire (dhe e
pranueshme) nese pasojat e pergjithshme te kesaj jane pozitive. Aspektin
moral te vrasjes je duke e lidhe me pasojat. Nese pasojat e pergjithshme
jane pozitive, atehere vrasja eshte e mire. Dhe natyrisht, keto pasoja qe
po i kerkon ti jane te caktuara, te nje natyre politike, sepse pasojat per
viktimat dhe familjaret e tyre natyrisht se jane negative, por ato nuk po i
llogarite. As nuk po i llogarite pasojat shoqerore, qe ne Kosove po i
shtohet ymri klimes se kriminalitetit. Se mos harro, sot dikush e sulmon
nje plake serbe per me ia marre banesen, e ti e pershendet (apo nuk e
kundershton, njesoj), por neser ky i njejti mund te te sulmoje ty per me e
marre banesen tende. Mbasneser te sulmon se nuk i pelqen qendrimi yt
politik, e keshtu me radhe.

Sidoqofte, besoj se te ardhmen nuk ka mundur ta parashikoje as ai (ose ata)
qe e ka kryer sulmin kunder autobusit te UNHCR-it. Pervec nese ka qene plan
i hartuar dhe ekzekutuar ne menyre perfekte, ku e ka ditur sulmuesi i
autobusit se cka do te ndodhe ne Mitrovice si pasoje e sulmit te tij? E
nese e ka ditur, a duhet atehere te mbahen pergjegjes sulmuesi, jo vetem
per vdekjen e dy serbeve ne autobus, por edhe per vdekjen e tete
shqiptareve ne Mitrovice? Sepse mos harro, jeta e tyre eshte shuar me dhune
(ti shprehe gatishmeri qe keta njerez t'i shpallesh "kurban", e besoj se
ajo e drejte nuk te takon as ty as mua), kurse problemi i Mitrovices, sipas
mendimit tim, si rezultat i drejtperdrejte i dhunes, vecse po shkon duke u
komplikuar me shume.

Tung,
Besniku





From beineke at kosova-info-line.de  Mon Feb  7 18:07:48 2000
From: beineke at kosova-info-line.de (Divi Beineke)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:07:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Interpreter (shqipti-english) gesucht!
Message-ID: <389E95A6.F6D51CDC@kosova-info-line.de>

Hi,
maybe one of you can make use of this mail!

Translation to the mail below:
"We are looking for an interpreter english-shqipti for a well named
comercial firm for negotiations in Prishtina.
Please send offers to: mailto:vgass at bigfoot.de"

(I hope, my translation is not to bad!)
Sincerley,
Divi Beineke

------- Original Message -------
Betreff:         Dolmetscher gesucht
 Datum:        Fri, 04 Feb 2000 20:34:10 +0100
    Von:         Irena Garrebeek <irena at garrebeek.de>
  Firma:         Sprachenservice Garrebeek
     An:         dbein at osnabrueck.netsurf.de

Wir suchen f?r eine renomierte Firma Dolmetscher Englisch-Albanisch f?r
Verhandlungen in Pristina.
Erbitte Angebote unter vgass at bigfoot.de

------- Ende -------
--
Wiederaufbau Kosova und Kosova-Info-Line gemeinsam f?r Kosova
http://www.osnabrueck.netsurf.de:8080/~dbein/wiederaufbau.htm
http://www.kosova-info-line.de








From shhima at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  7 18:09:47 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:09:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000207230831.28465.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>



> > Po a mund te thuash, sulmimi i autobusave te
> UNHCR-it sa e permireson
> > jeten
> > e ketyre njerezve qe po i permend, apo sa e
> ndihmon clirimin e Mitrovices?
> > Sepse sipas kesaj qe thua ti, nese po te kuptoj
> drejte, del se vrasja e
> > civileve serbe eshte dicka e mire per Kosoven, e
> nese qenka e mire,
> > atehere
> > te lutem shpjegoma si e pse.
> > 
> > -Besniku
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 	Do ta jap pergjigjen ma banale qe mund ta marresh
> (se, po get, kaq
> jane mundesit e mia intelektuale):
> 	- Nashta po, e nashta jo.  
>

Mendova njemend jemi budallaku complet si shoqeri kur
e lexova pyetjen e mesiperme. Me knaqi pergjegjja e
detailuar e Arianitit, pa pretendime per muhalife
intelectualiste e politike, qe si duket pyetesi i ka
(oj kuku - edhe nje tjeter quazi-politican shqiptar,
llafollog e blues i hypercorrektesive politique -
bah). Ato qe i thote Arianiti, i di ne esenzze secili
prej nesh - shkau don zor babo.   

Aman, qe thote Arianiti, ne pachi koche me iu leshu
shkaut ne veri te Mitrovices, e jo vech aty, e me ia
lane veshet ne dore, bejeni, ne mos pachi, te pakten
ndalini masturbimet intelectualiste se faren e keni
sterile :(





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From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 18:28:45 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:28:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] arsye per t'u gezuar
Message-ID: <v04003a08b4c50542581f@[165.247.70.116]>

Kete here ka arsye per t'u gezuar, sepse kete here viktime ishte nje
kriminel i vertete.

Yugoslav Defense Minister Killed

Updated 4:14 PM ET February 7, 2000
By JOVANA GEC, Associated Press Writer

BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) - Yugoslav Defense Minister Pavle Bulatovic was
shot Monday in a Belgrade restaurant, officials and Belgrade media
reported. Military officials said he died later in a hospital.

The independent Studio B television said Bulatovic, a Montenegrin who was
close to Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, was in the restaurant of
the soccer club Rad when he was shot along with two other people.

Military officials and those close to Bulatovic's Socialist Peoples' Party
said the defense minister died in Belgrade military hospital. The
independent Beta news agency also said he had died.

Studio B said one or more attackers fired through a window of the
restaurant, hitting Bulatovic and two other men from behind. They were
taken to a military hospital.

The attack came less than a month after Serbia's most famed warlord, Zeljko
Raznatovic, known as Arkan, was gunned down in a Belgrade hotel.

More than a dozen prominent people, some close to Milosevic, have been
killed in Belgrade in the past decade. Most of the killings have never been
solved or the culprits uncovered.

Bulatovic, 52, had been defense minister of Yugoslavia since 1994. He was a
member of a pro-Serb faction in Montenegro loyal to Milosevic, who is
Serbian.





From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 18:43:27 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:43:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <20000207230831.28465.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a0bb4c506e9bbaa@[165.247.70.116]>

At 3:08 PM -0800 2/7/00, Shemsi Hima wrote:
>Mendova njemend jemi budallaku complet si shoqeri kur
>e lexova pyetjen e mesiperme. Me knaqi pergjegjja e
>detailuar e Arianitit, pa pretendime per muhalife
>intelectualiste e politike, qe si duket pyetesi i ka
>(oj kuku - edhe nje tjeter quazi-politican shqiptar,
>llafollog e blues i hypercorrektesive politique -
>bah). Ato qe i thote Arianiti, i di ne esenzze secili
>prej nesh - shkau don zor babo.
>
>Aman, qe thote Arianiti, ne pachi koche me iu leshu
>shkaut ne veri te Mitrovices, e jo vech aty, e me ia
>lane veshet ne dore, bejeni, ne mos pachi, te pakten
>ndalini masturbimet intelectualiste se faren e keni
>sterile :(

Zotni, nese don, urdhero merr pjese ne diskutim e mbroji qendrimet tua, se
sa per m'u shajt e per komente "smart ass" muj me dale n'rruge.

-Besniku





From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 18:50:52 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb  7 18:50:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 18
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002071846180.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>

- N? kuad?r t? manifestimit tradicional "Flaka e Janarit 2000" n? Prizren
?sht? b?r? promovimi i librit t? humanitar?s dhe poet?s kosovare Dr. Flora
Brovina "Thirrjet e Kosov?s - Cry Kosova". Libri ?sht? botuar n? gjuh?n
shqipe dhe angleze dhe ?sht? momentalisht libri m? i k?rkuar n? Prizren dhe
Kosov?. P?r vepr?n e Flora Brovin?s fol?n Avdullah Zeneli, Safete Rugova,
Avdullah Tha?i dhe t? tjer?t. Student?t e akademis? s? aktrimit shfaq?n nj?
vep?r nga krijimtarija poetike e Flora Brovin?s.

- N? Pej? n? pallatin e vog?l t? sporteve ?sht? hapur shkolla e vall?zimit
modern t? drejtuar nga Ali Shabani. Momentalisht 50 an?tar? t? moshave t?
ndryshme jan? duke vijuar m?simin. Pas p?rfundimit t? suksesh?m t? shkoll?s
pjes?tar?ve do t'ju mund?sohet pjes?marrja n? garat brenda dhe jasht?
Kosov?s.

- N? Gjakov? me 28. Janar 2000 n? lokalet e hotelit "Pashtrik" u mbajt
koncerti i muzik?s klasike n? t? cil?n u interpretuan veprat e njohura t?
komponist?ve bot?ror dhe kosovar. N? piano luajt?n Yllka Istrefi dhe L.
Salihu, nd?rsa nga Ermira ?itaku n? flaut. Koncerti u p?rcjell me interesim
t? madh nga adhuruesit t? muzik?s klasike.

- Monografija mbi jet?n dhe vepr?n e piktorit t? ndjer Muslim Mulliqit t?
shkruar nga an?tar?t e Akademis? s? Shkenc?s dhe Arteve t? Kosov?s ?sht? n?
p?rgatitje t? sip?rm p?r botim. N? k?t? monografi p?rve? jet?s dhe vepr?s s?
piktorit jan? p?rfshir? disa reproduksione pikturash nga kolazhi komb?tar me
vler? t? r?nd?sishme historike. Nd?rsa sht?pija botuese "Dukagjini" nga Peja
?sht? duke e b?r? p?rgatitjen e monografis? t? skulptorit t? njohur Agim
?avdarbash?s. Autori i tekstit Eqrem Basha s? bashku me autorin e
fotografive Afrim Spahiun e b?r?n hartimin e vepr?s t? skulptorit "q? e b?ri
gurin t? flas".

- Me 7. dhe 8. Mars 2000 n? Vushtrri do t? mbahet manifestimi tradicional
"Takimet e poeteve shqiptare", n? t? cil?n do t? marrin pjes? poetet e
njohura nga Kosova, Mali i Zi, Maqedonija dhe diaspora. K?shilli organizativ
i komun?s s? Vushtrris? s? bashku me Shoqat?n e Shkrimtar?ve t? Kosov?s jan?
organizator t? k?tij manifestimi. Poetet e interesuara jan? t? thirrura
poezit e tyre n? kat?r kopje t? n?nshkruara deri me 28. Shkurt 2000 t'i
dor?zojn? organizator?ve. Me 7. Mars 2000 do t? mbahet ora letrare, nd?rsa
me 8. Mars 2000 n? tribun?n letrare do t? shpallen fitueset. Manifestimi do
t? p?rcjellet me nj? program t? zgjedhur kulturor-artistik.

- N? Gjakov? jan? duke u b?r? p?rgatitjet p?r mbajtjen e festivalit t?
k?ng?s "Gjakova 2000". Organizator?t e festivalit jan? pallati i kultur?s
"Asim Vokshi" dhe shkolla muzikore "Pren Jakova". Si? m?suam nga Masar Peja
konkursi p?r pjesmarrje n? festival ?sht? i hapur deri me 10. Mars 2000. Me
k?t? rast ftohen artist?t kompozimet t'i dor?zojn? n? pallatin e kultur?s
ose n? shkoll?n muzikore n? dy ekzemplar s? bashku me tri kopje t? tekstit
t? k?ng?s. N? festivalin dy ditor do t? prezentohen k?ng? t? zhanrit p?r
f?mij? dhe popullor. Me k?t? hap organizator?t e k?ng?s n? Gjakov?s mbajn?
shpres? q? t? kthehet imazhi i dikursh?m i k?tij festivali i cili z?nte
vendin e dyt? n? Kosov? pas "Akordeve t? Kosov?s".

- Mbi fillimin e bashk?punimit t? Akademis? s? Shkenc?s dhe Arteve t?
Kosov?s Nufri Lekaj dhe Shkelzen Kukleci jan? takur n? Oslo me rektorin
Mette Ne?th t? Akademis? s? Arteve t? Norvegjis? si dhe drejtoresh?s s?
shkoll?s s? lart? t? baletit Inger Lisse. Bashk?punimi i iniciuar nga
qeverija norvegjeze p?rfshin rind?rtimin e Akademis? s? Shkenc?s dhe Arteve
t? Kosov?s. Brenda Shkurtit ose Marsit t? k?tij viti pritet q? pala
norvegjeze t? viziton Kosov?n dhe me at? rast t? p?rpilohet plani i
detalizuar p?r realizimin e bashk?punimit. N? k?t? iniciativ? jan? p?rfshir?
edhe artist?t kosovar t? cil?t punojn? dhe krijojn? n? Norvegji.

P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 19:39:54 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:39:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <20000207230831.28465.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002071929000.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Shemsi Hima wrote:

> Mendova njemend jemi budallaku complet si shoqeri kur
> e lexova pyetjen e mesiperme. Me knaqi pergjegjja e
> detailuar e Arianitit, pa pretendime per muhalife
> intelectualiste e politike, qe si duket pyetesi i ka
> (oj kuku - edhe nje tjeter quazi-politican shqiptar,
> llafollog e blues i hypercorrektesive politique -
> bah). Ato qe i thote Arianiti, i di ne esenzze secili
> prej nesh - shkau don zor babo.   
> 
> Aman, qe thote Arianiti, ne pachi koche me iu leshu
> shkaut ne veri te Mitrovices, e jo vech aty, e me ia
> lane veshet ne dore, bejeni, ne mos pachi, te pakten
> ndalini masturbimet intelectualiste se faren e keni
> sterile :(
> 
Tung Shemsi, ne kete liste te gjithe i themi mendimet tona, dhe eshte mire
qe kemi mendime te ndryshme (rrofte pluralizmi, se perndryshe lista do
ishte bajat).  Dhe do te ishte mire qe te mirresh me mendimet e njerezve
ne liste e jo te vendosesh etiketa se kush eshte intelektual e jo.  

Per mendimin tim, cdo vrasje e cdokujt i cili eshte i pafajshem (deri sa
te vertetohet se eshte i fajshem -- e kuptoj se te ne kjo behet me
allabatne) eshte krim, pa marre parasyh se cilit etnicitet i
takojne.  Natyrisht, ky eshte vetem mendimi im, dhe pres qe t'me
pergjigjesh me fjalet e tipit: "hajt more ti ke jetu ne perendim 10 vjet e
jo bo pseudo-liberal", apo najsen ashtu...   

Eshte poashtu interesant se njerezit qe lajmerohen nga Prishtina ne kete
liste (si Burimi apo Samiu) jane me tolerant se sa disa qe lajmerohen nga
shtetet "demokratike" ne perendim.  A thua pse eshte keshtu?  Besoj se
njera nga arsyet eshte se cdo veprim i individeve ne Kosove tek e fundit i
preke ne thelb ata qe jane ne Kosove, keshtu qe kur e din se veprimi yt
mund te kete pasoja per ty, je me i kujdesshem.  Per arsyet tjera mund te
na tregojne ata...

Me falni se ju lodha me hiperkorektesine politike...

Te fala,

Etriti.




From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 19:50:14 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:50:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] List of Serb Criminals
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002071946350.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Does anyone have an updated list of Serbian Criminals?  This list will
soon be posted on the Kosova Crisis Center so they can be hunted for the
rest of their life.  

Even leaders who praise revenge such as the following comment from a
Serbian leader in Mitrovica should be held accountable for their words:

Leader Appears To Praise Revenge (Reuters)

 Vuko Antonijevic, the president of Mitrovica's Serb National Council of
local leaders, appeared to praise local Serbs  for the violent reaction to
attacks on them.

 ``You responded in the best way,'' he told the crowd.




From ylber at mail.com  Mon Feb  7 19:57:10 2000
From: ylber at mail.com (Ylber Burgija)
Date: Mon Feb  7 19:57:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <382620257.949971423224.JavaMail.root@web19.pub01>

-Shum shkurt po ju shkruaj.
Nuk po kuptoj cka kari jeni cu peshe per dy
shkije t'vram.
Shum po me shkojn nerva kta papakat ce thojne,
s'bon me i vra shkijet e pa fajshem.
Cka na kan bo ata neve prej se kan ardh n'Ballkan
bre?
"Shka t'mire nuk ka."
Ylberi.

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb  7 20:20:57 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb  7 20:20:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <382620257.949971423224.JavaMail.root@web19.pub01>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002072019490.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

Ylber, nje verejtje: shprehjet vullgare nuk lejohen ne kete liste... 

Etriti.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Ylber Burgija wrote:

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> 
> -Shum shkurt po ju shkruaj.
> Nuk po kuptoj cka kari jeni cu peshe per dy
> shkije t'vram.
> Shum po me shkojn nerva kta papakat ce thojne,
> s'bon me i vra shkijet e pa fajshem.
> Cka na kan bo ata neve prej se kan ardh n'Ballkan
> bre?
> "Shka t'mire nuk ka."
> Ylberi.
> 
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From UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com  Mon Feb  7 20:26:13 2000
From: UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com (UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb  7 20:26:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <70.f216f9.25d0ca7f@aol.com>

Tung anetare te listes...

    ... i pershendes te gjith ne kete liste dhe interesimi kaq i madh per 
diskutim me impresionon.  
    Mirepo, kisha dhen nje verejtje te "vogel" per disa qe po perdorin fjale 
banale ne kete liste. Fjalet si " kari " apo disa tjera me siguri se nuk i 
perdorni ne shtepi me prind,  apo nuk dihet...........  Fjaleve te tilla te 
mundohemi ti leme ku e kan vendin .......e jo ketu ne liste publike se 
ndoshta ka prind apo te rinj qe e lexojn!
                                                                    tung



From deenijem at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 03:31:36 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb  8 03:31:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
Message-ID: <20000208083102.58009.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: Zenelito at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:20:33 EST
>
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>
>si mundem te lidhem me Gjilanin?
>Ju lutem te me informoni

Si eshiron qe te lidhesh, me telefon, internet???
Burimi
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From jpmoser at gmx.ch  Tue Feb  8 04:43:24 2000
From: jpmoser at gmx.ch (Jean-Pierre Moser)
Date: Tue Feb  8 04:43:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20000208083102.58009.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBINCOCJNADDFIMKIHMECFCAAA.jpmoser@gmx.ch>




From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 05:08:54 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 05:08:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208100818.4611.qmail@hotmail.com>

Is it me or you also think that Besnik lost it this time?



>From: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 18:45:38 -0500
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>At 3:08 PM -0800 2/7/00, Shemsi Hima wrote:
> >Mendova njemend jemi budallaku complet si shoqeri kur
> >e lexova pyetjen e mesiperme. Me knaqi pergjegjja e
> >detailuar e Arianitit, pa pretendime per muhalife
> >intelectualiste e politike, qe si duket pyetesi i ka
> >(oj kuku - edhe nje tjeter quazi-politican shqiptar,
> >llafollog e blues i hypercorrektesive politique -
> >bah). Ato qe i thote Arianiti, i di ne esenzze secili
> >prej nesh - shkau don zor babo.
> >
> >Aman, qe thote Arianiti, ne pachi koche me iu leshu
> >shkaut ne veri te Mitrovices, e jo vech aty, e me ia
> >lane veshet ne dore, bejeni, ne mos pachi, te pakten
> >ndalini masturbimet intelectualiste se faren e keni
> >sterile :(
>
>Zotni, nese don, urdhero merr pjese ne diskutim e mbroji qendrimet tua, se
>sa per m'u shajt e per komente "smart ass" muj me dale n'rruge.
>
>-Besniku
>
>
>
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 05:23:58 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 05:23:58 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208102318.87746.qmail@hotmail.com>

Eshte e vertet qe krimi eshte sen i keq dhe i papranueshem. Por ne ketu po 
flasim per shkijet qe na kane vra , pre, dhunu, debu prej shtepive etj etj 
qe 100 vitet e fundit.

Cdo "krim" qe ne e bejme sot kunder shkijeve eshte i vogel ne krahasim (in 
the grand scheme of things) me ato qe ata na kane ba neve.

Ju lus qe mos bini ne gjume tani pasi "Kosova eshte cliru" se shkijet sot 
jane duke planifiku qysh me na asgjasu pas 50 vitesh (e ndoshta edhe me 
shume). Shkijet jon shkije dhe duhet me jau kpyt kryt (pike Besnik)

Mua personalisht po me dhimben ata qe Besniku, Etriti, Burimi, Samiu i 
quajne viktima te pafajshme por as per se afermi sa me dhimben viktimat e 
Recakut etj.

Ne jemi popull i vogel dhe cdo njeri prej neve per mua eshte me i vlefshem 
se i tere populli shka. Sa ma pak shkije, ma mire.

Dhe po Etrit edhe une qe 10 vite jetoj ne nje shtet perendimor demokratik 
(pa thonjeza) vetem e vetem se shkijet me kan debu prej Kosoves (sikur ty 
dhe te gjithe neve) dhe per te cilin shkak ndoshta nuk kam me qene kurr ne 
gjendje (per arsyena financiare, shpirterore etj) te kthehem ne Kosove.

Ju lus edhe nje here mos ti diskutojm problemet e shkijeve te vrar se nuk po 
ju bejme asgje cka kishim dasht tju bejm.

Me nderime ,
Alberti

>From: Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:39:53 -0500 (EST)
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Shemsi Hima wrote:
>
> > Mendova njemend jemi budallaku complet si shoqeri kur
> > e lexova pyetjen e mesiperme. Me knaqi pergjegjja e
> > detailuar e Arianitit, pa pretendime per muhalife
> > intelectualiste e politike, qe si duket pyetesi i ka
> > (oj kuku - edhe nje tjeter quazi-politican shqiptar,
> > llafollog e blues i hypercorrektesive politique -
> > bah). Ato qe i thote Arianiti, i di ne esenzze secili
> > prej nesh - shkau don zor babo.
> >
> > Aman, qe thote Arianiti, ne pachi koche me iu leshu
> > shkaut ne veri te Mitrovices, e jo vech aty, e me ia
> > lane veshet ne dore, bejeni, ne mos pachi, te pakten
> > ndalini masturbimet intelectualiste se faren e keni
> > sterile :(
> >
>Tung Shemsi, ne kete liste te gjithe i themi mendimet tona, dhe eshte mire
>qe kemi mendime te ndryshme (rrofte pluralizmi, se perndryshe lista do
>ishte bajat).  Dhe do te ishte mire qe te mirresh me mendimet e njerezve
>ne liste e jo te vendosesh etiketa se kush eshte intelektual e jo.
>
>Per mendimin tim, cdo vrasje e cdokujt i cili eshte i pafajshem (deri sa
>te vertetohet se eshte i fajshem -- e kuptoj se te ne kjo behet me
>allabatne) eshte krim, pa marre parasyh se cilit etnicitet i
>takojne.  Natyrisht, ky eshte vetem mendimi im, dhe pres qe t'me
>pergjigjesh me fjalet e tipit: "hajt more ti ke jetu ne perendim 10 vjet e
>jo bo pseudo-liberal", apo najsen ashtu...
>
>Eshte poashtu interesant se njerezit qe lajmerohen nga Prishtina ne kete
>liste (si Burimi apo Samiu) jane me tolerant se sa disa qe lajmerohen nga
>shtetet "demokratike" ne perendim.  A thua pse eshte keshtu?  Besoj se
>njera nga arsyet eshte se cdo veprim i individeve ne Kosove tek e fundit i
>preke ne thelb ata qe jane ne Kosove, keshtu qe kur e din se veprimi yt
>mund te kete pasoja per ty, je me i kujdesshem.  Per arsyet tjera mund te
>na tregojne ata...
>
>Me falni se ju lodha me hiperkorektesine politike...
>
>Te fala,
>
>Etriti.
>
>
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 05:25:25 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 05:25:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208102449.68290.qmail@hotmail.com>

Cashtu bre Ylber. Hallal tkoft


>From: Ylber Burgija <ylber at mail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 19:57:03 -0500 (EST)
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>-Shum shkurt po ju shkruaj.
>Nuk po kuptoj cka kari jeni cu peshe per dy
>shkije t'vram.
>Shum po me shkojn nerva kta papakat ce thojne,
>s'bon me i vra shkijet e pa fajshem.
>Cka na kan bo ata neve prej se kan ardh n'Ballkan
>bre?
>"Shka t'mire nuk ka."
>Ylberi.
>
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 05:28:22 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 05:28:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208102744.59125.qmail@hotmail.com>

Asnje fjale ne komentin e Ylberit nuk eshte e huaj. Te gjitha jane fjale 
shqipe ne perdorim te perditshem. Vullgare?!? Cilat fjale te Ylberit po te 
duken vullgare. Jam i bindur qe 99% te anetareve te kesaj liste i perdorin 
keto fjale.

Alberti


>From: Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
>Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 20:20:56 -0500 (EST)
>
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>
>Ylber, nje verejtje: shprehjet vullgare nuk lejohen ne kete liste...
>
>Etriti.
>
>On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Ylber Burgija wrote:
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> >
> > -Shum shkurt po ju shkruaj.
> > Nuk po kuptoj cka kari jeni cu peshe per dy
> > shkije t'vram.
> > Shum po me shkojn nerva kta papakat ce thojne,
> > s'bon me i vra shkijet e pa fajshem.
> > Cka na kan bo ata neve prej se kan ardh n'Ballkan
> > bre?
> > "Shka t'mire nuk ka."
> > Ylberi.
> >
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From deenijem at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 06:23:38 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb  8 06:23:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndërim të temës
Message-ID: <20000208112305.59698.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te nderuar miq te mi te ketij rrjeti,

1.Ju lutem, po te keni hater ndaj popullit tone dhe te gjithe vlerave te 
mira qe ka, duke perfshire edhe vlerat e atyre djemve dhe vajzave tona qe na 
e kane mundesuar kete komunikim te drejteperdrejte, nderroni temen.

2.Ky forum duhet te jete atraktiv per te gjithe ne dhe duhet qe te mos ta 
bejme te gerditshem. Nuk them se duhet te jemi te kujdesemi se na 
monitorojne te huajt,?eshte e drejta edhe na monitorojne, por duhet te 
fillojme te riedukojme vetet tona me dicipline, kujdes ndaj te toneve, te 
huajve qe te mund t'ju hapim porta te reja jo vetem veteve tona por edhe 
femijeve te gjeneratave te ardheshme.

3.Asnje nuk diskuton ne kete rrjet per Zhvillimin Ekonomik te Kosoves ose 
ndoshta eshte diskutuar me pare, por duhet te vazhdohet. Ketu analizohen 
dukurite por me sa shoh te gjiheve na mungon sensi per te ndryshuar gjerat, 
idete etj.

4.Ne Kosove ka skamje dhe varferi te madhe. Neqoftese gurbetqaret tone 
fillojne te investojne para ne krijimin e firmave te vogla ku do te mund te 
punesohet te pakten edhe dy vete, besoni se dy familjeve ju sigurohet 
egzistenca per jete. Me sa shoh ne kete forum ju nuk i njihni per shembull, 
fytyrat e femijeve qe shesin cigare neper rruget e Prishtines ose ndoshta 
blini cigare prej tyre por asnjehere nuk mendoni pak per ta.

Burim Sadiku
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Feb  8 06:49:42 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Tue Feb  8 06:49:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A2B@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

>>Objection your Honour!!!
Po me vie shume palidhje qe me duhet te mbrohem sikur te isha para gjygjit.
As mburojat e ngritura paraprakisht nuk po kryejn pune ("enterprise"-i qenka
i pushtueshem). 
 Nuk po e shof shume te arsyeshme qe te vazhdoj kete teme por disa pyetje te
Besnikut jane aq shume interesante sa  nuk po muj i le t'pa  pergjegjme.<<
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Besnik Pula [SMTP:besnik at alb-net.com]
> Sent:	Monday, February 07, 2000 6:34 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
> 
> 
> 
> Ajo qe theksova une si arsye pse vrasja e civileve (serbe ose shqiptare)
> eshte e papranueshme jane:
> 
> 1) Vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem eshte krim. 
> (pike) Nuk ka ketu asnje
> arsyetim se "e bera ne emer te kombit" apo "i vrava per te miren e
> Kosoves". Cdo krim i tille duhet te denohet, pavaresisht prej pasojave
> politike, shoqerore, ekonomike e te tjera te krimit. Perndryshe ne shoqeri
> krijohet nje kulture e krimit, ku vrasja, plackitja e dhuna behen pjese
> normale e jetes.
> 
>  Ne qofte se kesi te ardhme deshironi per Kosoven, atehere
> m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> 
	>>Natyrisht qe kesi te ardhme ia dua une Kosoves, harrove edhe
drogen, prostitucionin etj. Mire qe nuk me pyet kush se, une do t'a shitsha
Kosoven per 10 DM (sa te me mbulohen shpenzimet e transakcionit).<<

> 2) Vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove nuk po i kontribuojne permiresimit te
> gjendjes ne Kosove, as tash, as ne shikim afatgjate. Krimet etnike ne
> Kosove vetem po e pengojne procesin e stabilizmit ne Kosove, ndertimin e
> institucioneve te pushtetit dhe zhvillimin ekonomik. 
> 
> Mos te flasim per
> perspektiven per pavaresi. Ne qofte se kete jeni duke ia deshiruar
> Kosoves,
> atehere prape m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> 
	>>Po cfare pavaresie more!!! Une jam qe Kosova te jete province e
federates RusoSerbe. Te gjithe Kosovaret e mbetur (pasi qe te jene likuiduar
1 milion e 300 mije)te asimilohen ne Radovana, Millovana etj dhe pas nja 4-5
vitesh e njejta procedure te perhapet ne Shqiperi.
	Difernecim, eat your heart out.
	Propozoj qe te gjithe te deklarohemi kush eshte per pavaresi e kush
per propozimin tim. Besnik, ma merr mendja se do te jesh i vetem ne kerkese
te pavarsise.<<

> Ne baze te kesaj qe thua ti, vrasja e civileve mund te jete e mire (dhe e
> pranueshme) nese pasojat e pergjithshme te kesaj jane pozitive. 
> 
	>>Po krejt. Jo e mire, po dukat.<< 

> Aspektin
> moral te vrasjes je duke e lidhe me pasojat. Nese pasojat e pergjithshme
> jane pozitive, atehere vrasja eshte e mire. Dhe natyrisht, keto pasoja qe
> po i kerkon ti jane te caktuara, te nje natyre politike, sepse pasojat per
> viktimat dhe familjaret e tyre natyrisht se jane negative, por ato nuk po
> i
> llogarite. 
> 
	>>Uhhhfff, Aaaahhh, faull. Godtitje shume e ulte (below the belly).
E ke nje karton te verdhe.<<

> As nuk po i llogarite pasojat shoqerore, qe ne Kosove po i
> shtohet ymri klimes se kriminalitetit. Se mos harro, sot dikush e sulmon
> nje plake serbe per me ia marre banesen, e ti e pershendet (apo nuk e
> kundershton, njesoj), por neser ky i njejti mund te te sulmoje ty per me e
> marre banesen tende. 
> 
	>>Ha, ha jau kam ftofe, une nuk kam banese fare (n'Kosove po
mendoj).<< 

> Mbasneser te sulmon se nuk i pelqen qendrimi yt
> politik, e keshtu me radhe.
> 
	>>Pse cka ka me pas kunder partise Laburiste te Blairit.<<

> Sidoqofte, besoj se te ardhmen nuk ka mundur ta parashikoje as ai (ose
> ata)
> qe e ka kryer sulmin kunder autobusit te UNHCR-it. Pervec nese ka qene
> plan
> i hartuar dhe ekzekutuar ne menyre perfekte, ku e ka ditur sulmuesi i
> autobusit se cka do te ndodhe ne Mitrovice si pasoje e sulmit te tij? E
> nese e ka ditur, a duhet atehere te mbahen pergjegjes sulmuesi, jo vetem
> per vdekjen e dy serbeve ne autobus, por edhe per vdekjen e tete
> shqiptareve ne Mitrovice? Sepse mos harro, jeta e tyre eshte shuar me
> dhune
> (ti shprehe gatishmeri qe keta njerez t'i shpallesh "kurban", e besoj se
> ajo e drejte nuk te takon as ty as mua), 
> 
	>>E eee, tybe tash  e ke te kuqin.<<

> kurse problemi i Mitrovices, sipas
> mendimit tim, si rezultat i drejtperdrejte i dhunes, vecse po shkon duke u
> komplikuar me shume.
> 
> Tung,
> Besniku
> 
	>>Pike se pari, me duhet te perseris nje pasus te nje e-maili tim te
me hershem me kerkese, indirekte, te Besnikut. 
"- Plotesisht e ndaje dhimbjen me familjet e viktimave, si shumica e
Kosovarve edhe une kam viktima ne familjen time gjate kesaj lufte. Edhe nje
i vdekur i vetem eshte i tepert, ska fjale por, nese kjo ka qene kerkese per
"kurban" qe te zgjidhet Mitrovica, so be it."



	Fatkeqesisht nuk ka menyra per matjen e dhimbjes shpirterore (nuk ka
as mase as aparate) dhe nuk di si ta them ma thjeshte  se cdo shqiptare i
vrare mu ka dhimbur shume. S'di pse ka nevoje dhe qysh me ju binde per
kete.Nuk po kuptoj pse ke nevoje per akuza te tilla. 
	Nuk di si ta them me shtruar:
	Nese vrasja e shkijeve ne autobus bjen deri te zgjidhja e ceshtjes
se Mitrovices, kryesin e vepres do ta kisha shpallur hero. Dhe kjo eshte
krejt cka kam dashur te them me e-mailat e kalur e edhe me kete. Hej, ne
paca gabim, mos u merzitni. Nuk eshte hera e pare, e tutna qe nuk do te jete
e mrama, qe po gaboj ne jete.
	Nuk ka as pushtet, as organe juridike, as ekzekutive, as polici, as
..., ne Kosove momentalisht. Krejt kjo ne kohen kur (K-Forja, UNMIK -u) po i
ze disa kriminela shkije (ne Rahovec p.sh.) e po i leshon (ne Mitrovice).
Kur njerezit e kane pa me sy te vete kush ia ka vra (dajen p.sh), po i
lajmeron Fores, e kta po i thone  na duhet me e vertetu kete ,po e vesin
shkavin , e ky po iu thote cfare more. Kur, kisha  ngat biblotekes kombetare
t'corron syte. Kur ata (shqiptare) qe dje ju kallzonin shkijeve se kush ka
arme dhe ku jane (dihet cka i gjente ata  pastaj), sot pine kafe me
UN-ikatat dhe K-foret, e bile, ky prap te mban ligjerata. Kur te thote ti
nuk ke lidhje me fabriken ne te cilen ke punuar 20 vjet, e t'qet, si
shkijet, pej pune se nuk po te duket ma i mire Alkateli se Siemensi. Kur ta
ben ndarjen e Kosoves ne enklava gje e cila, ashtu e keshtu, ka qene moti
plan i shkijeve. Krejt kete kohe ti e lute, e i thua me fjale, e me
"diallog", e me kafe e uje te tharte, e ai s'ta rrase as 3% (perqindje
tipike shqiptare). Une kujtoj (gjithnje duke MOS ia dashur te miren Kosoves)
se i ke dy rruge. Prit magar deri sa te dali bar, futja shkavit qe ta ka vra
dajen(po n'kofte edhe ne autobus me civil te pafajshem tjere), myte ate
tradhetarin si qenin (n'midis udhe,dhe n'bese t'UN-it), bojkotoje Alkatelin.
	Keshtu une mendoj. Secili me takat t'vetin por, nuk di a u verejt,
nuk akuzova enuk dyshova ne askend per tradheti, per ate qe nuk ja do te
miren dhe pavaresine Kosoves, qe eshte "gllup", qe nuk ia ndine per te
vdekurit shiptare dhe qe i mbron kriminelet. Vec tybe boll mu ka shishmue.
	Mos u lodh Besnik me ftue ne duel ne rruge se, tutna qe duhna me te
deshpru. Nuk jam fort azgan e i forte, e ne e-mailin e kaluar (te cilin, po
get nuk e ke lexuar me fort kujdes) thash se ku jane trimat.

	Selam udhes kon te shihni
	Arianit Celaj<<





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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 07:03:54 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 07:03:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
Message-ID: <20000208120322.4635.qmail@hotmail.com>

Arianit,

Une jam ne rrezonance me ty. Pergjegje ma te mire nuk kam lexue moti.

Alberti


>From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:49:06 -0000
>
> >>Objection your Honour!!!
>Po me vie shume palidhje qe me duhet te mbrohem sikur te isha para gjygjit.
>As mburojat e ngritura paraprakisht nuk po kryejn pune ("enterprise"-i 
>qenka
>i pushtueshem).
>  Nuk po e shof shume te arsyeshme qe te vazhdoj kete teme por disa pyetje 
>te
>Besnikut jane aq shume interesante sa  nuk po muj i le t'pa  pergjegjme.<<
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Besnik Pula [SMTP:besnik at alb-net.com]
> > Sent:	Monday, February 07, 2000 6:34 PM
> > To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > Subject:	RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Ajo qe theksova une si arsye pse vrasja e civileve (serbe ose shqiptare)
> > eshte e papranueshme jane:
> >
> > 1) Vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem eshte krim.
> > (pike) Nuk ka ketu asnje
> > arsyetim se "e bera ne emer te kombit" apo "i vrava per te miren e
> > Kosoves". Cdo krim i tille duhet te denohet, pavaresisht prej pasojave
> > politike, shoqerore, ekonomike e te tjera te krimit. Perndryshe ne 
>shoqeri
> > krijohet nje kulture e krimit, ku vrasja, plackitja e dhuna behen pjese
> > normale e jetes.
> >
> >  Ne qofte se kesi te ardhme deshironi per Kosoven, atehere
> > m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> >
>	>>Natyrisht qe kesi te ardhme ia dua une Kosoves, harrove edhe
>drogen, prostitucionin etj. Mire qe nuk me pyet kush se, une do t'a shitsha
>Kosoven per 10 DM (sa te me mbulohen shpenzimet e transakcionit).<<
>
> > 2) Vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove nuk po i kontribuojne permiresimit te
> > gjendjes ne Kosove, as tash, as ne shikim afatgjate. Krimet etnike ne
> > Kosove vetem po e pengojne procesin e stabilizmit ne Kosove, ndertimin e
> > institucioneve te pushtetit dhe zhvillimin ekonomik.
> >
> > Mos te flasim per
> > perspektiven per pavaresi. Ne qofte se kete jeni duke ia deshiruar
> > Kosoves,
> > atehere prape m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> >
>	>>Po cfare pavaresie more!!! Une jam qe Kosova te jete province e
>federates RusoSerbe. Te gjithe Kosovaret e mbetur (pasi qe te jene 
>likuiduar
>1 milion e 300 mije)te asimilohen ne Radovana, Millovana etj dhe pas nja 
>4-5
>vitesh e njejta procedure te perhapet ne Shqiperi.
>	Difernecim, eat your heart out.
>	Propozoj qe te gjithe te deklarohemi kush eshte per pavaresi e kush
>per propozimin tim. Besnik, ma merr mendja se do te jesh i vetem ne kerkese
>te pavarsise.<<
>
> > Ne baze te kesaj qe thua ti, vrasja e civileve mund te jete e mire (dhe 
>e
> > pranueshme) nese pasojat e pergjithshme te kesaj jane pozitive.
> >
>	>>Po krejt. Jo e mire, po dukat.<<
>
> > Aspektin
> > moral te vrasjes je duke e lidhe me pasojat. Nese pasojat e pergjithshme
> > jane pozitive, atehere vrasja eshte e mire. Dhe natyrisht, keto pasoja 
>qe
> > po i kerkon ti jane te caktuara, te nje natyre politike, sepse pasojat 
>per
> > viktimat dhe familjaret e tyre natyrisht se jane negative, por ato nuk 
>po
> > i
> > llogarite.
> >
>	>>Uhhhfff, Aaaahhh, faull. Godtitje shume e ulte (below the belly).
>E ke nje karton te verdhe.<<
>
> > As nuk po i llogarite pasojat shoqerore, qe ne Kosove po i
> > shtohet ymri klimes se kriminalitetit. Se mos harro, sot dikush e sulmon
> > nje plake serbe per me ia marre banesen, e ti e pershendet (apo nuk e
> > kundershton, njesoj), por neser ky i njejti mund te te sulmoje ty per me 
>e
> > marre banesen tende.
> >
>	>>Ha, ha jau kam ftofe, une nuk kam banese fare (n'Kosove po
>mendoj).<<
>
> > Mbasneser te sulmon se nuk i pelqen qendrimi yt
> > politik, e keshtu me radhe.
> >
>	>>Pse cka ka me pas kunder partise Laburiste te Blairit.<<
>
> > Sidoqofte, besoj se te ardhmen nuk ka mundur ta parashikoje as ai (ose
> > ata)
> > qe e ka kryer sulmin kunder autobusit te UNHCR-it. Pervec nese ka qene
> > plan
> > i hartuar dhe ekzekutuar ne menyre perfekte, ku e ka ditur sulmuesi i
> > autobusit se cka do te ndodhe ne Mitrovice si pasoje e sulmit te tij? E
> > nese e ka ditur, a duhet atehere te mbahen pergjegjes sulmuesi, jo vetem
> > per vdekjen e dy serbeve ne autobus, por edhe per vdekjen e tete
> > shqiptareve ne Mitrovice? Sepse mos harro, jeta e tyre eshte shuar me
> > dhune
> > (ti shprehe gatishmeri qe keta njerez t'i shpallesh "kurban", e besoj se
> > ajo e drejte nuk te takon as ty as mua),
> >
>	>>E eee, tybe tash  e ke te kuqin.<<
>
> > kurse problemi i Mitrovices, sipas
> > mendimit tim, si rezultat i drejtperdrejte i dhunes, vecse po shkon duke 
>u
> > komplikuar me shume.
> >
> > Tung,
> > Besniku
> >
>	>>Pike se pari, me duhet te perseris nje pasus te nje e-maili tim te
>me hershem me kerkese, indirekte, te Besnikut.
>"- Plotesisht e ndaje dhimbjen me familjet e viktimave, si shumica e
>Kosovarve edhe une kam viktima ne familjen time gjate kesaj lufte. Edhe nje
>i vdekur i vetem eshte i tepert, ska fjale por, nese kjo ka qene kerkese 
>per
>"kurban" qe te zgjidhet Mitrovica, so be it."
>
>
>
>	Fatkeqesisht nuk ka menyra per matjen e dhimbjes shpirterore (nuk ka
>as mase as aparate) dhe nuk di si ta them ma thjeshte  se cdo shqiptare i
>vrare mu ka dhimbur shume. S'di pse ka nevoje dhe qysh me ju binde per
>kete.Nuk po kuptoj pse ke nevoje per akuza te tilla.
>	Nuk di si ta them me shtruar:
>	Nese vrasja e shkijeve ne autobus bjen deri te zgjidhja e ceshtjes
>se Mitrovices, kryesin e vepres do ta kisha shpallur hero. Dhe kjo eshte
>krejt cka kam dashur te them me e-mailat e kalur e edhe me kete. Hej, ne
>paca gabim, mos u merzitni. Nuk eshte hera e pare, e tutna qe nuk do te 
>jete
>e mrama, qe po gaboj ne jete.
>	Nuk ka as pushtet, as organe juridike, as ekzekutive, as polici, as
>..., ne Kosove momentalisht. Krejt kjo ne kohen kur (K-Forja, UNMIK -u) po 
>i
>ze disa kriminela shkije (ne Rahovec p.sh.) e po i leshon (ne Mitrovice).
>Kur njerezit e kane pa me sy te vete kush ia ka vra (dajen p.sh), po i
>lajmeron Fores, e kta po i thone  na duhet me e vertetu kete ,po e vesin
>shkavin , e ky po iu thote cfare more. Kur, kisha  ngat biblotekes 
>kombetare
>t'corron syte. Kur ata (shqiptare) qe dje ju kallzonin shkijeve se kush ka
>arme dhe ku jane (dihet cka i gjente ata  pastaj), sot pine kafe me
>UN-ikatat dhe K-foret, e bile, ky prap te mban ligjerata. Kur te thote ti
>nuk ke lidhje me fabriken ne te cilen ke punuar 20 vjet, e t'qet, si
>shkijet, pej pune se nuk po te duket ma i mire Alkateli se Siemensi. Kur ta
>ben ndarjen e Kosoves ne enklava gje e cila, ashtu e keshtu, ka qene moti
>plan i shkijeve. Krejt kete kohe ti e lute, e i thua me fjale, e me
>"diallog", e me kafe e uje te tharte, e ai s'ta rrase as 3% (perqindje
>tipike shqiptare). Une kujtoj (gjithnje duke MOS ia dashur te miren 
>Kosoves)
>se i ke dy rruge. Prit magar deri sa te dali bar, futja shkavit qe ta ka 
>vra
>dajen(po n'kofte edhe ne autobus me civil te pafajshem tjere), myte ate
>tradhetarin si qenin (n'midis udhe,dhe n'bese t'UN-it), bojkotoje 
>Alkatelin.
>	Keshtu une mendoj. Secili me takat t'vetin por, nuk di a u verejt,
>nuk akuzova enuk dyshova ne askend per tradheti, per ate qe nuk ja do te
>miren dhe pavaresine Kosoves, qe eshte "gllup", qe nuk ia ndine per te
>vdekurit shiptare dhe qe i mbron kriminelet. Vec tybe boll mu ka shishmue.
>	Mos u lodh Besnik me ftue ne duel ne rruge se, tutna qe duhna me te
>deshpru. Nuk jam fort azgan e i forte, e ne e-mailin e kaluar (te cilin, po
>get nuk e ke lexuar me fort kujdes) thash se ku jane trimat.
>
>	Selam udhes kon te shihni
>	Arianit Celaj<<
>
>
>
>
>

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From di99bba at student.hk-r.se  Tue Feb  8 08:33:56 2000
From: di99bba at student.hk-r.se ('Nick BACCARDi')
Date: Tue Feb  8 08:33:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] pa lidhje
Message-ID: <002801bf7239$02e7a0e0$1001a8c0@baccardi>

M? keni lodh? ju t? gjith? q? po p?rshp?ritni mos i vrani seb?t, mos bani k?shtu mos bani ashtu... Ju lutem t? ndaleni e analizoni veten... Cili serb thot? ashtu p?r Shqiptar?t e vrar???? Po t? kishim mund me hy n? lista t? tyre do t? kishim nd?gju se si na shajn? e si na urrejn?, e ne cka kemi p?rjetu nga ta dhe prap? se prap?, na vjen gjynah... Mua nuk m? vjen gjynah... Se ne kurr? nuk mund ta marrim hakun, personalisht mua mi kan? masakruar shum? t? af?r me t? t?ra familje, e ju e b?ni nj? vrasje t? SHKIEVE problem. Nuk jam me juve, n? asnj? moment... N'daqi quamni nacionalist (megjithse JAM nacionalist) apo cka t? doni, mendimi im ?sht? ky. Asnj? serb q? ?sht? n? Kosov? nuk ?sht? i mir?, asnj? nuk ka ndihmuar shqiptar?t... P.sh. familjen e tez?s sime famijen e Fehmi Ujkanit dhe vllaz?rve t? tij nga fshati Reznik i kan? masakruar dhe s? fundi djegur s?rbet fqinj? t? tyre q? i pat?n premtuar q? do ti ndihmojn? n?se kan? mund?si... E po ata sot gjinden n? Mitrovic?... Ju lutem mos folni kur nuk keni asnj? t? dh?n? se ?far? serbesh jetojn? sot n? Mitrovic? dhe n? tjera vende t? Kosov?s.
 E di se ndoshta nuk bjen aq mir? n? sy t? bot?s, por analizoni gj?rat para se t? thoni se nuk duhet vrar? "civil?t" ... Ata "civil?" nuk jan? "civil?" por "kriminela" e ju po i mbroni ...

Nuk jam me ju shoku Pula.
/Besniku


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Till: prishtina-l at alb-net.com <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Datum: den 7 februari 2000 19:40
?mne: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!


>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>At 11:55 AM +0000 2/7/00, Arianit Celaj wrote:
>>Do ta jap pergjigjen ma banale qe mund ta marresh (se, po get, kaq jane
>>mundesit e mia intelektuale):
>>- Nashta po, e nashta jo. 
>>Ne vazhdim arsyetim i gjate per kete pergjigje te shkurte:
>>- se sado qe kam provuar ne jete, kurre nuk kam mundur ta parashof te ardhmen.
>>- e di qe, ashtu si ka qene ceshtja/ndarja e Mitrovices ngadale por
>>sigurte pranohej si rrealitet. Nuk di cfare prova tjera historike na duhen
>>se me llafe nuk fitohet asgje (kush i permendi ne liste politikanet tane).
>>
>>- sic u pa, nga ngjarjet qe pasuan pasi e shkrova e-mailin tim, ne
>>Mitrovice pati shume te vrare , e ndodhe qe ky numer te rritet dhe nga ky
>>aspekt, te flitet per "permiresimin e jetes se tyre", natyrisht se, nuk
>>ka kuptim. (pjesa "nashta jo" e pergjigjes)
>>
>>- kujtoj se, megjithate, ceshtja e Mitrovices levizi nga vendi (kam shume
>>kujtime te hidhura me fjalen status-quo) dhe u be e madhe, ma merr mendja
>>se keto ngjarje e kane pershpejtuar zgjidhjen e ceshtjes, po c'ka di une,
>>pranova se nuk jam prognozer i mire, te presim.
>>
>>- nese zgjidhet si kemi deshire ne, atehere mund te flitet per 
>>"permiresimin e jetes se" atyre banorve Mitrovicas qe mbesin gjalle dhe
>>tere neve tjereve. (nashta po). Mos u tutni nuk do tju them "A ju kam
>>thane be".
>
>Ajo qe theksova une si arsye pse vrasja e civileve (serbe ose shqiptare)
>eshte e papranueshme jane:
>
>1) Vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem eshte krim. (pike) Nuk ka ketu asnje
>arsyetim se "e bera ne emer te kombit" apo "i vrava per te miren e
>Kosoves". Cdo krim i tille duhet te denohet, pavaresisht prej pasojave
>politike, shoqerore, ekonomike e te tjera te krimit. Perndryshe ne shoqeri
>krijohet nje kulture e krimit, ku vrasja, plackitja e dhuna behen pjese
>normale e jetes. Ne qofte se kesi te ardhme deshironi per Kosoven, atehere
>m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
>
>2) Vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove nuk po i kontribuojne permiresimit te
>gjendjes ne Kosove, as tash, as ne shikim afatgjate. Krimet etnike ne
>Kosove vetem po e pengojne procesin e stabilizmit ne Kosove, ndertimin e
>institucioneve te pushtetit dhe zhvillimin ekonomik. Mos te flasim per
>perspektiven per pavaresi. Ne qofte se kete jeni duke ia deshiruar Kosoves,
>atehere prape m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
>
>Ne baze te kesaj qe thua ti, vrasja e civileve mund te jete e mire (dhe e
>pranueshme) nese pasojat e pergjithshme te kesaj jane pozitive. Aspektin
>moral te vrasjes je duke e lidhe me pasojat. Nese pasojat e pergjithshme
>jane pozitive, atehere vrasja eshte e mire. Dhe natyrisht, keto pasoja qe
>po i kerkon ti jane te caktuara, te nje natyre politike, sepse pasojat per
>viktimat dhe familjaret e tyre natyrisht se jane negative, por ato nuk po i
>llogarite. As nuk po i llogarite pasojat shoqerore, qe ne Kosove po i
>shtohet ymri klimes se kriminalitetit. Se mos harro, sot dikush e sulmon
>nje plake serbe per me ia marre banesen, e ti e pershendet (apo nuk e
>kundershton, njesoj), por neser ky i njejti mund te te sulmoje ty per me e
>marre banesen tende. Mbasneser te sulmon se nuk i pelqen qendrimi yt
>politik, e keshtu me radhe.
>
>Sidoqofte, besoj se te ardhmen nuk ka mundur ta parashikoje as ai (ose ata)
>qe e ka kryer sulmin kunder autobusit te UNHCR-it. Pervec nese ka qene plan
>i hartuar dhe ekzekutuar ne menyre perfekte, ku e ka ditur sulmuesi i
>autobusit se cka do te ndodhe ne Mitrovice si pasoje e sulmit te tij? E
>nese e ka ditur, a duhet atehere te mbahen pergjegjes sulmuesi, jo vetem
>per vdekjen e dy serbeve ne autobus, por edhe per vdekjen e tete
>shqiptareve ne Mitrovice? Sepse mos harro, jeta e tyre eshte shuar me dhune
>(ti shprehe gatishmeri qe keta njerez t'i shpallesh "kurban", e besoj se
>ajo e drejte nuk te takon as ty as mua), kurse problemi i Mitrovices, sipas
>mendimit tim, si rezultat i drejtperdrejte i dhunes, vecse po shkon duke u
>komplikuar me shume.
>
>Tung,
>Besniku
>
>
>
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 10:21:48 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 10:21:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
Message-ID: <74.14fe32b.25d18e60@aol.com>

me internet



From deenijem at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 10:35:34 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb  8 10:35:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
Message-ID: <20000208153502.30626.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: Zenelito at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:21:04 EST
>
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>
>me internet
>
Tung prej Burimit,

Ne Gjilan Internet ka ne zyrat e UNMIKU-t dhe te baza Amerikane. Po te duash 
te te gjej ndonjerin prej atje o te duhetqe te presish deri te henen kur te 
kthehem ne Kosove, ishalla, dhe do te kontaktoj me disa shoke qe i kam dhe 
pastaj do te informoj.
Tung
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 10:40:59 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 10:40:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Gjilan)
Message-ID: <d2.dc7b30.25d192e5@aol.com>

falimnderit per  informata nihemi te hanen
tung Zena



From Zenelito at aol.com  Tue Feb  8 10:41:25 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb  8 10:41:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] pa lidhje
Message-ID: <4c.1712375.25d19255@aol.com>

O Zotri nuk eshte Puna qe ne pi perkrahim ?serbet per mua ishalla i Qfarr.. 
krejt
por si duket kjo ne perendim a don ti te na thot bota se as ne nuk qenkshem 
me te mir se serbet se edhe ne pe perkrahim dhunen po neve dajm na del gjumi 
vone.
SI thot fjala Popullore :"Hekuri rrehet sa eshte i nxet"  po ne ate koh neve 
nau nevoitshin ma shum Banesat etash shiko si ndjekin nga banesat ne Mitrovic



From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:04:31 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 11:04:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] pa lidhje
Message-ID: <20000208160342.13047.qmail@hotmail.com>

Arianit,

Paska edhe te tjere qe nuk pajtohen me ata qe po ju dhimsen shkijet.

Later,
Alberti


>From: "'Nick BACCARDi'" <di99bba at student.hk-r.se>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] pa lidhje
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:32:55 +0100
>
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>
>M? keni lodh? ju t? gjith? q? po p?rshp?ritni mos i vrani seb?t, mos bani 
>k?shtu mos bani ashtu... Ju lutem t? ndaleni e analizoni veten... Cili serb 
>thot? ashtu p?r Shqiptar?t e vrar???? Po t? kishim mund me hy n? lista t? 
>tyre do t? kishim nd?gju se si na shajn? e si na urrejn?, e ne cka kemi 
>p?rjetu nga ta dhe prap? se prap?, na vjen gjynah... Mua nuk m? vjen 
>gjynah... Se ne kurr? nuk mund ta marrim hakun, personalisht mua mi kan? 
>masakruar shum? t? af?r me t? t?ra familje, e ju e b?ni nj? vrasje t? 
>SHKIEVE problem. Nuk jam me juve, n? asnj? moment... N'daqi quamni 
>nacionalist (megjithse JAM nacionalist) apo cka t? doni, mendimi im ?sht? 
>ky. Asnj? serb q? ?sht? n? Kosov? nuk ?sht? i mir?, asnj? nuk ka ndihmuar 
>shqiptar?t... P.sh. familjen e tez?s sime famijen e Fehmi Ujkanit dhe 
>vllaz?rve t? tij nga fshati Reznik i kan? masakruar dhe s? fundi djegur 
>s?rbet fqinj? t? tyre q? i pat?n premtuar q? do ti ndihmojn? n?se kan? 
>mund?si... E po ata sot gjinden n? Mitrovic?... Ju lutem mos folni kur nuk 
>keni asnj? t? dh?n? se ?far? serbesh jetojn? sot n? Mitrovic? dhe n? tjera 
>vende t? Kosov?s.
>  E di se ndoshta nuk bjen aq mir? n? sy t? bot?s, por analizoni gj?rat 
>para se t? thoni se nuk duhet vrar? "civil?t" ... Ata "civil?" nuk jan? 
>"civil?" por "kriminela" e ju po i mbroni ...
>
>Nuk jam me ju shoku Pula.
>/Besniku
>
>
>-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
>Fr?n: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
>Till: prishtina-l at alb-net.com <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Datum: den 7 februari 2000 19:40
>?mne: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
>
>
> >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> >
> >At 11:55 AM +0000 2/7/00, Arianit Celaj wrote:
> >>Do ta jap pergjigjen ma banale qe mund ta marresh (se, po get, kaq jane
> >>mundesit e mia intelektuale):
> >>- Nashta po, e nashta jo.
> >>Ne vazhdim arsyetim i gjate per kete pergjigje te shkurte:
> >>- se sado qe kam provuar ne jete, kurre nuk kam mundur ta parashof te 
>ardhmen.
> >>- e di qe, ashtu si ka qene ceshtja/ndarja e Mitrovices ngadale por
> >>sigurte pranohej si rrealitet. Nuk di cfare prova tjera historike na 
>duhen
> >>se me llafe nuk fitohet asgje (kush i permendi ne liste politikanet 
>tane).
> >>
> >>- sic u pa, nga ngjarjet qe pasuan pasi e shkrova e-mailin tim, ne
> >>Mitrovice pati shume te vrare , e ndodhe qe ky numer te rritet dhe nga 
>ky
> >>aspekt, te flitet per "permiresimin e jetes se tyre", natyrisht se, nuk
> >>ka kuptim. (pjesa "nashta jo" e pergjigjes)
> >>
> >>- kujtoj se, megjithate, ceshtja e Mitrovices levizi nga vendi (kam 
>shume
> >>kujtime te hidhura me fjalen status-quo) dhe u be e madhe, ma merr 
>mendja
> >>se keto ngjarje e kane pershpejtuar zgjidhjen e ceshtjes, po c'ka di 
>une,
> >>pranova se nuk jam prognozer i mire, te presim.
> >>
> >>- nese zgjidhet si kemi deshire ne, atehere mund te flitet per
> >>"permiresimin e jetes se" atyre banorve Mitrovicas qe mbesin gjalle dhe
> >>tere neve tjereve. (nashta po). Mos u tutni nuk do tju them "A ju kam
> >>thane be".
> >
> >Ajo qe theksova une si arsye pse vrasja e civileve (serbe ose shqiptare)
> >eshte e papranueshme jane:
> >
> >1) Vrasja e njerezve te pafajshem eshte krim. (pike) Nuk ka ketu asnje
> >arsyetim se "e bera ne emer te kombit" apo "i vrava per te miren e
> >Kosoves". Cdo krim i tille duhet te denohet, pavaresisht prej pasojave
> >politike, shoqerore, ekonomike e te tjera te krimit. Perndryshe ne 
>shoqeri
> >krijohet nje kulture e krimit, ku vrasja, plackitja e dhuna behen pjese
> >normale e jetes. Ne qofte se kesi te ardhme deshironi per Kosoven, 
>atehere
> >m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> >
> >2) Vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove nuk po i kontribuojne permiresimit te
> >gjendjes ne Kosove, as tash, as ne shikim afatgjate. Krimet etnike ne
> >Kosove vetem po e pengojne procesin e stabilizmit ne Kosove, ndertimin e
> >institucioneve te pushtetit dhe zhvillimin ekonomik. Mos te flasim per
> >perspektiven per pavaresi. Ne qofte se kete jeni duke ia deshiruar 
>Kosoves,
> >atehere prape m'falni se s'di cka t'ju them.
> >
> >Ne baze te kesaj qe thua ti, vrasja e civileve mund te jete e mire (dhe e
> >pranueshme) nese pasojat e pergjithshme te kesaj jane pozitive. Aspektin
> >moral te vrasjes je duke e lidhe me pasojat. Nese pasojat e pergjithshme
> >jane pozitive, atehere vrasja eshte e mire. Dhe natyrisht, keto pasoja qe
> >po i kerkon ti jane te caktuara, te nje natyre politike, sepse pasojat 
>per
> >viktimat dhe familjaret e tyre natyrisht se jane negative, por ato nuk po 
>i
> >llogarite. As nuk po i llogarite pasojat shoqerore, qe ne Kosove po i
> >shtohet ymri klimes se kriminalitetit. Se mos harro, sot dikush e sulmon
> >nje plake serbe per me ia marre banesen, e ti e pershendet (apo nuk e
> >kundershton, njesoj), por neser ky i njejti mund te te sulmoje ty per me 
>e
> >marre banesen tende. Mbasneser te sulmon se nuk i pelqen qendrimi yt
> >politik, e keshtu me radhe.
> >
> >Sidoqofte, besoj se te ardhmen nuk ka mundur ta parashikoje as ai (ose 
>ata)
> >qe e ka kryer sulmin kunder autobusit te UNHCR-it. Pervec nese ka qene 
>plan
> >i hartuar dhe ekzekutuar ne menyre perfekte, ku e ka ditur sulmuesi i
> >autobusit se cka do te ndodhe ne Mitrovice si pasoje e sulmit te tij? E
> >nese e ka ditur, a duhet atehere te mbahen pergjegjes sulmuesi, jo vetem
> >per vdekjen e dy serbeve ne autobus, por edhe per vdekjen e tete
> >shqiptareve ne Mitrovice? Sepse mos harro, jeta e tyre eshte shuar me 
>dhune
> >(ti shprehe gatishmeri qe keta njerez t'i shpallesh "kurban", e besoj se
> >ajo e drejte nuk te takon as ty as mua), kurse problemi i Mitrovices, 
>sipas
> >mendimit tim, si rezultat i drejtperdrejte i dhunes, vecse po shkon duke 
>u
> >komplikuar me shume.
> >
> >Tung,
> >Besniku
> >
> >
> >
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:15:00 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb  8 11:15:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shkijet e Mitrovices sikur te gjithe shkijet tjere
Message-ID: <20000208161246.41573.qmail@hotmail.com>

Prej QIK-ut pa leje.

Me nderime,
Alberti

Prishtin?, 8 shkurt (QIK) - Lideri serb i Mitrovic?s Oliver Ivanoviq, t? 
cilin udh?heq?si shqiptar Bajram Rexhepi e ka akuzuar p?r
udh?heqje t? formacioneve paramilitare, ka k?rkuar q? serb?t t? vet?mbrohen 
dhe ka njoftuar se ata k?t? vet?mbrojtje do ta b?jn?
q? nga dita e sotme.

N? nj? miting serb, shefi i t? ashtuquajturit "k?shilli nacional serb" Vuk 
Antonijeviq mbajti nj? fjalim, ku konfirmoi fushat?n e
organizuar hakmarr?se t? serbe ndaj shqiptar?ve.

Ai citohet t? ket? th?n?:

"T? dashur mitrovicas?, ju falenderoj p?r gjith? at? q? keni b?r? disa net? 
m? par?, posqa??risht p?r nat?n kur n? m?nyr?n m? t?
mir? keni treguar se sa e doni k?t? qytet dhe se si mund t? mbrohet ai nga 
terrorizmi mysliman".

Thuhet se forcat e KFOR-it ende nuk kan? arrestuar asnj? t? dyshimt? p?r 
vrasjen e s? paku 10 shqiptar?ve, dhe se nuk kan? marr?
asnj? t? dyshuar n? pyetje.

Po ashtu njoftohet se paramilitar?t serb? u kan? dh?n? ultimatum familjeve 
shqiptare n? veri t? Mitrovic?s dhe k?rjojn? prej tyre q?
t'i poranojn? familjet serbe n? sht?pit? e tyre.

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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 13:25:41 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb  8 13:25:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208182501.8619.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>

> >Zotni, nese don, urdhero merr pjese ne diskutim e
> mbroji qendrimet tua, se
> >sa per m'u shajt e per komente "smart ass" muj me
> dale n'rruge.
> >
> >-Besniku
> 

Jo, po, che besa, per commente "smart ass" po schihet
chi je i zoti :) hihihihi


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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 13:37:49 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb  8 13:37:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208183747.3798.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Per mendimin tim, cdo vrasje e cdokujt i cili eshte
> i pafajshem (deri sa
> te vertetohet se eshte i fajshem -- e kuptoj se te
> ne kjo behet me
> allabatne) eshte krim, pa marre parasyh se cilit
> etnicitet i
> takojne.  Natyrisht, ky eshte vetem mendimi im, dhe
> pres qe t'me
> pergjigjesh me fjalet e tipit: "hajt more ti ke jetu
> ne perendim 10 vjet e
> jo bo pseudo-liberal", apo najsen ashtu...   
> 

Nuk do te quaj pseudo-liberal, kete gje e paske marre
vesh vete... :) hehehehe

> Me falni se ju lodha me hiperkorektesine politike...
> 

Na e keni dzigawe me hypercorrectesine politique...
chu be me pseudocorrestesine e 80-ve: "kush e prish
vllaznim-bashkimin duhet me ia pre kryt si shkavit",
apo ka evolu e po maskohet me suksesshem... edhe uckat
ma dzigawen me convertimin e tyre ne delme
hypercorrecte ... inshallah osht nojfare forme e
sophistikume e maskimit te pseudocorrectesise :), se
muzvet! :)



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From besnik at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  8 14:28:52 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Tue Feb  8 14:28:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
Message-ID: <v04003a00b4c6148be042@alb-net.com>

>>>Objection your Honour!!!
>Po me vie shume palidhje qe me duhet te mbrohem sikur te isha para gjygjit.

Per kete s'ka nevoje, sepse ketu vetem po diskutojme e nuk po e gjykojme
askend (se paku une jo).

Arianit, une nuk te akuzova per kurrgjo edhe nuk e shoh te arsyeshme te
pergjigjesh me sarkazem. Me mire kishe ba sikur te me ishe pergjegj ne ato
qe i thashe rreth problemit qe po diskutojme. Problemi eshte te PARIMET
(PRINCIPLES) edhe PASOJAT (CONSEQUENCES). A eshte vrasja e njerezve te
pafajshem krim apo jo? A i kontribon vrasja e civileve permiresimit te
jetes ne Kosove? Une ketu e pashe dallimin midis qendrimit tim dhe tendin,
dhe ato dallime u mundova t'i shtjelloj.

>	Fatkeqesisht nuk ka menyra per matjen e dhimbjes shpirterore (nuk ka
>as mase as aparate) dhe nuk di si ta them ma thjeshte  se cdo shqiptare i
>vrare mu ka dhimbur shume. S'di pse ka nevoje dhe qysh me ju binde per
>kete.Nuk po kuptoj pse ke nevoje per akuza te tilla.

>	Nuk di si ta them me shtruar:
>	Nese vrasja e shkijeve ne autobus bjen deri te zgjidhja e ceshtjes
>se Mitrovices, kryesin e vepres do ta kisha shpallur hero. Dhe kjo eshte
>krejt cka kam dashur te them me e-mailat e kalur e edhe me kete. Hej, ne
>paca gabim, mos u merzitni. Nuk eshte hera e pare, e tutna qe nuk do te jete
>e mrama, qe po gaboj ne jete.

Nuk thashe se nuk po te dhimbsen shqiptaret. Po nese po te dhimbsen vetem
se jane shqiptare, e per serbet qe po vriten po gezohesh vetem se jane
serbe, atehere kete logjike une nuk mund ta pranoj. Mua kriminelet nuk me
dhimbsen, as nuk i perkrahi. Nuk mund te them se nje kriminel eshte i mire
se eshte shqiptar, e krimineli tjeter eshte i keq se eshte serb. Po per ty,
njeni eshte hero e tjetri kriminel. Vrasja e plakave serbe, sulmimi i
autobusave me civile per mua nuk eshte kurrfare heroizmi as akti kombetar.
Ti ndoshta ke mendim tjeter, por te lutem mos me thuaj se po te akuzoj,
sepse asgje nuk po them qe nuk mbeshtetet ne pohimet tua. Nese e kam gabim,
te lutem shpjegoje e mos u mundo me vertetu patriotizmin tend, sepse ate
nuk po e kontestoj aspak.

>	Nuk ka as pushtet, as organe juridike, as ekzekutive, as polici, as
>..., ne Kosove momentalisht. Krejt kjo ne kohen kur (K-Forja, UNMIK -u) po i
>ze disa kriminela shkije (ne Rahovec p.sh.) e po i leshon (ne Mitrovice).
>Kur njerezit e kane pa me sy te vete kush ia ka vra (dajen p.sh), po i
>lajmeron Fores, e kta po i thone  na duhet me e vertetu kete ,po e vesin
>shkavin , e ky po iu thote cfare more. Kur, kisha  ngat biblotekes kombetare
>t'corron syte. Kur ata (shqiptare) qe dje ju kallzonin shkijeve se kush ka
>arme dhe ku jane (dihet cka i gjente ata  pastaj), sot pine kafe me
>UN-ikatat dhe K-foret, e bile, ky prap te mban ligjerata. Kur te thote ti
>nuk ke lidhje me fabriken ne te cilen ke punuar 20 vjet, e t'qet, si
>shkijet, pej pune se nuk po te duket ma i mire Alkateli se Siemensi. Kur ta
>ben ndarjen e Kosoves ne enklava gje e cila, ashtu e keshtu, ka qene moti
>plan i shkijeve. Krejt kete kohe ti e lute, e i thua me fjale, e me
>"diallog", e me kafe e uje te tharte, e ai s'ta rrase as 3% (perqindje
>tipike shqiptare). Une kujtoj (gjithnje duke MOS ia dashur te miren Kosoves)
>se i ke dy rruge. Prit magar deri sa te dali bar, futja shkavit qe ta ka vra
>dajen(po n'kofte edhe ne autobus me civil te pafajshem tjere), myte ate
>tradhetarin si qenin (n'midis udhe,dhe n'bese t'UN-it), bojkotoje Alkatelin.

Krejt pajtohem me pakenaqesite qe ke me UNMIK-un dhe KFOR-in. Por ne dallim
prej teje, zgjidhjen nuk e shoh te sulmimi i autobusave te UNHCR-se (sipas
teje, kjo mund te jete e mire -- "nashta po e nashta jo").

>	Mos u lodh Besnik me ftue ne duel ne rruge se, tutna qe duhna me te
>deshpru. Nuk jam fort azgan e i forte, e ne e-mailin e kaluar (te cilin, po
>get nuk e ke lexuar me fort kujdes) thash se ku jane trimat.

Pse, a tha kush naj send per duela ne rruge?

Tung,
Besniku

P.S. Ti vet, ne nje mesazh te mehershem, tha mos me i marre sendet
personalisht.





From besnik at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  8 15:01:17 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Tue Feb  8 15:01:17 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <20000208182501.8619.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a01b4c61fbb8137@[141.161.5.114]>

>Jo, po, che besa, per commente "smart ass" po schihet
>chi je i zoti :) hihihihi

Te dashur miq,

nuk du me u marre me komentin e mesiperm. Zotnise vetem t'i them se gjuha
shqipe nuk i perdore rregullat ortografike te frengjishtes.

Dikush me akuzoi si mbrojtes te krimineleve serb, dikush si pseudo-liberal,
dikush nisi me m'i permend heroizmat e UCK-se, dikush ra ne nje nivel me
"kembesor" dhe me thirri papak.

Nje gje qe me shtyu me i hyj ketij diskutimi eshte me pa se ne cfare menyre
do te reagojne anetaret e listes rreth nje teme te ketille. Kisha bindjen
se shumica jane njerez te shkolluar, njerez qe i shohin gjanat pak ma
thelle se vetem ne siperfaqe e me te cilet mund te kem nje diskutim
produktiv (nuk domethene se duhet te pajtohemi per gjithcka).

Po ne shume raste u tregua e kunderta. U tregua se kur vjen puna me i mendu
gjanat pak ma thelle, shume njerez nuk dine me mendu fort me kry te vet po
bijne ne sllogane, shume prej te cilave as nuk kane lidhje me temen:
"shkijet lypin dru", "shkijet lypin q** none", "krejt shkijet jane si
Arkani", "ushtaret e UCK-se jane trima", "boll me 'hypercorrectesi
politique'" etj. Qellimi i ketyre ish ma shume me me diskredu mua se sa me
i kontribu diskutimit. Kjo eshte taktika ma e vjeter qe njihet ne
argumentime, e perdoret ma se shpeshti prej atyne qe nuk kane argument.
Askush deri me tash (pervec Arianitit) nuk u mundua te ma shpjegoje pse
vrasja e serbeve ne Kosove qenka dicka qe po i ndihmojka Kosoves.

Po ju tregoj nje shembull. Mbasi qe Noel Malcolm botoi librin e tij per
historine e Kosoves, shume intelektuale serbe u shqetesuan se dikush ne
Perendim kishte shkruar nje histori te Kosoves qe nuk bazohet vetem ne
mitologjine serbe. Njeni prej te shqetesuemve ishte Aleksa Djilas, profesor
ne Beograd i cili ne Pernedim gezon njefare respekti (eshte i shkolluar ne
Perendim). Ne nje artikull te botuar ne revisten Foreign Affairs, Djilasi e
kritikon librin e Malcolmit. Dhe si e ben kete? Meqe nuk kishte argumente e
fakte, ne nje artikull shume te ndyer e shume larg nivelit te nje
intelektuali, ai e quan Malcolmin improvizator, pseudohistorian e
sharllatan. Keshtu sic po veprojne disa te tjere ne kete liste qe nuk kane
argumente.

Me falni por me shume se per mua, kjo tregon per ju (kam fjalen per disa
nga pjesemarresit ne kete diskutim). Ky nuk do te ishte deshprim i madh
sikur pjesemarresit te mos ishin te rinje, shume prej te cileve shkollohen
apo punojne ne Perendim, njerez qe duhet te jene shpresa per te ardhmen e
Kosoves.

Por per fat te mire, sic verejti edhe Etriti, ata qe reaguan e qe jane ne
Kosove kane nje pikepamje tjeter. Sepse ata e dine se cfare demi po i
sjellin Kosoves aktet e marra te dhunes, se pasojat e tyre duhet t'i
perjetojne ne kurrizin e vet. E disa prej nesh ne Perendim nuk jemi ne
gjendje as ta respektojme pak ate realitet te tynin, po patriotizmin tone
dojme me e deshmu tu piskat "q*** nonen shkijeve"!

Kaq pata me thene une per kete teme.

Tung,
Besniku





From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  8 15:12:07 2000
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Tue Feb  8 15:12:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
Message-ID: <20000208201127.20709.qmail@hotmail.com>

Tung t'gjitheve

Une nuk jam i njohur te marre pjese ne keto diskutime shpesh, per ate arsye 
shumica prej jush nuk keni lidhje se kush jam.  Sidoqofte, disa pjesemarres 
"shume aktiv" te ketij dialogu i njoh personalisht, dhe gezojne respektim 
tim te parezerve.  Te tjeret nuk i njoh por mendimet e tyre jane impresive.  
Por ajo qe me impresionoj me se tepermi eshte fakti se vdekja e dy serbeve 
(vrasesi apo motivi,te panjohur)rezultuan ne nje dialog shume jo-produktiv 
mes nesh.  Dhe nuk e di PSE?

Vrasja e dy serbeve, sipas normave convencionale ligjore, eshte akt 
kriminal.  Por dyshoj se ne kete moment ne si Shqiptar a mundem te behemi aq 
"demokrat" sa te aplikojme keto norma ne kete rast, kur nuk e dijme se kush 
i vrau, a pse i vrau.  Une nuk jam aq "demokrat".  Ate zanat ja la Kandiq-it 
ne beograd dhe shqiptareve qe "vullnetarisht" punuan me te qe te krijojne 
raportin me konkluzion se ne Kosove po ndodh "pastrim etnik" ndaj Serbeve.





>From: Besnik Pula <besnik at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)-subject e gjyse bile!!
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 14:30:35 -0500
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> >>>Objection your Honour!!!
> >Po me vie shume palidhje qe me duhet te mbrohem sikur te isha para 
>gjygjit.
>
>Per kete s'ka nevoje, sepse ketu vetem po diskutojme e nuk po e gjykojme
>askend (se paku une jo).
>
>Arianit, une nuk te akuzova per kurrgjo edhe nuk e shoh te arsyeshme te
>pergjigjesh me sarkazem. Me mire kishe ba sikur te me ishe pergjegj ne ato
>qe i thashe rreth problemit qe po diskutojme. Problemi eshte te PARIMET
>(PRINCIPLES) edhe PASOJAT (CONSEQUENCES). A eshte vrasja e njerezve te
>pafajshem krim apo jo? A i kontribon vrasja e civileve permiresimit te
>jetes ne Kosove? Une ketu e pashe dallimin midis qendrimit tim dhe tendin,
>dhe ato dallime u mundova t'i shtjelloj.
>
> >	Fatkeqesisht nuk ka menyra per matjen e dhimbjes shpirterore (nuk ka
> >as mase as aparate) dhe nuk di si ta them ma thjeshte  se cdo shqiptare i
> >vrare mu ka dhimbur shume. S'di pse ka nevoje dhe qysh me ju binde per
> >kete.Nuk po kuptoj pse ke nevoje per akuza te tilla.
>
> >	Nuk di si ta them me shtruar:
> >	Nese vrasja e shkijeve ne autobus bjen deri te zgjidhja e ceshtjes
> >se Mitrovices, kryesin e vepres do ta kisha shpallur hero. Dhe kjo eshte
> >krejt cka kam dashur te them me e-mailat e kalur e edhe me kete. Hej, ne
> >paca gabim, mos u merzitni. Nuk eshte hera e pare, e tutna qe nuk do te 
>jete
> >e mrama, qe po gaboj ne jete.
>
>Nuk thashe se nuk po te dhimbsen shqiptaret. Po nese po te dhimbsen vetem
>se jane shqiptare, e per serbet qe po vriten po gezohesh vetem se jane
>serbe, atehere kete logjike une nuk mund ta pranoj. Mua kriminelet nuk me
>dhimbsen, as nuk i perkrahi. Nuk mund te them se nje kriminel eshte i mire
>se eshte shqiptar, e krimineli tjeter eshte i keq se eshte serb. Po per ty,
>njeni eshte hero e tjetri kriminel. Vrasja e plakave serbe, sulmimi i
>autobusave me civile per mua nuk eshte kurrfare heroizmi as akti kombetar.
>Ti ndoshta ke mendim tjeter, por te lutem mos me thuaj se po te akuzoj,
>sepse asgje nuk po them qe nuk mbeshtetet ne pohimet tua. Nese e kam gabim,
>te lutem shpjegoje e mos u mundo me vertetu patriotizmin tend, sepse ate
>nuk po e kontestoj aspak.
>
> >	Nuk ka as pushtet, as organe juridike, as ekzekutive, as polici, as
> >..., ne Kosove momentalisht. Krejt kjo ne kohen kur (K-Forja, UNMIK -u) 
>po i
> >ze disa kriminela shkije (ne Rahovec p.sh.) e po i leshon (ne Mitrovice).
> >Kur njerezit e kane pa me sy te vete kush ia ka vra (dajen p.sh), po i
> >lajmeron Fores, e kta po i thone  na duhet me e vertetu kete ,po e vesin
> >shkavin , e ky po iu thote cfare more. Kur, kisha  ngat biblotekes 
>kombetare
> >t'corron syte. Kur ata (shqiptare) qe dje ju kallzonin shkijeve se kush 
>ka
> >arme dhe ku jane (dihet cka i gjente ata  pastaj), sot pine kafe me
> >UN-ikatat dhe K-foret, e bile, ky prap te mban ligjerata. Kur te thote ti
> >nuk ke lidhje me fabriken ne te cilen ke punuar 20 vjet, e t'qet, si
> >shkijet, pej pune se nuk po te duket ma i mire Alkateli se Siemensi. Kur 
>ta
> >ben ndarjen e Kosoves ne enklava gje e cila, ashtu e keshtu, ka qene moti
> >plan i shkijeve. Krejt kete kohe ti e lute, e i thua me fjale, e me
> >"diallog", e me kafe e uje te tharte, e ai s'ta rrase as 3% (perqindje
> >tipike shqiptare). Une kujtoj (gjithnje duke MOS ia dashur te miren 
>Kosoves)
> >se i ke dy rruge. Prit magar deri sa te dali bar, futja shkavit qe ta ka 
>vra
> >dajen(po n'kofte edhe ne autobus me civil te pafajshem tjere), myte ate
> >tradhetarin si qenin (n'midis udhe,dhe n'bese t'UN-it), bojkotoje 
>Alkatelin.
>
>Krejt pajtohem me pakenaqesite qe ke me UNMIK-un dhe KFOR-in. Por ne dallim
>prej teje, zgjidhjen nuk e shoh te sulmimi i autobusave te UNHCR-se (sipas
>teje, kjo mund te jete e mire -- "nashta po e nashta jo").
>
> >	Mos u lodh Besnik me ftue ne duel ne rruge se, tutna qe duhna me te
> >deshpru. Nuk jam fort azgan e i forte, e ne e-mailin e kaluar (te cilin, 
>po
> >get nuk e ke lexuar me fort kujdes) thash se ku jane trimat.
>
>Pse, a tha kush naj send per duela ne rruge?
>
>Tung,
>Besniku
>
>P.S. Ti vet, ne nje mesazh te mehershem, tha mos me i marre sendet
>personalisht.
>
>
>
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From LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca  Tue Feb  8 16:05:29 2000
From: LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca (Labinot Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb  8 16:05:29 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <10002031327.aa08650@flemingx.flemingc.on.ca>
Message-ID: <10002081604.aa15427@daneeka.flemingc.on.ca>

   Te nderuar  Prishtinas mos u bani teper kurrnaza se nuk bane
te gjith te njejt jemi si prishtinalia,si ferizajlia e si krejt Kosova.
 Ju pershendet shoku i juaj nga Kanadaja LABI.
                                                             




From LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca  Tue Feb  8 16:09:49 2000
From: LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca (Labinot Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb  8 16:09:49 2000
Subject: RCPT: Re: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <10002081609.aa15822@daneeka.flemingc.on.ca>

Confirmation of reading: your message -

    Date:    8 Feb 00, 16:03
    To:      prishtina-l at alb-net.com
    Subject: Re: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)

Was read at 16:07, 8 Feb 00.




From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 18:03:05 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb  8 18:03:05 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000208230227.29245.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>

> >Jo, po, che besa, per commente "smart ass" po
> schihet
> >chi je i zoti :) hihihihi
> 
> Te dashur miq,
> 
> nuk du me u marre me komentin e mesiperm. Zotnise
> vetem t'i them se gjuha
> shqipe nuk i perdore rregullat ortografike te
> frengjishtes.
> 

Neyse. Kete comment e perjetova ne ate nivel qe edhe e
servove. Deshmi te smartassitetit te cilin pohon se e
possedon. Commenti eshte prove e gjalle e vertetesise
se atij poheemee. Po ortographia gjermane, e ajo
anglese qe perdor duhet te jene ne rregull, perderisa
nuk thua asgje per to? hehehe

> 
> Nje gje qe me shtyu me i hyj ketij diskutimi eshte
> me pa se ne cfare menyre
> do te reagojne anetaret e listes rreth nje teme te
> ketille. Kisha bindjen
> se shumica jane njerez te shkolluar, njerez qe i
> shohin gjanat pak ma
> thelle se vetem ne siperfaqe e me te cilet mund te
> kem nje diskutim
> produktiv (nuk domethene se duhet te pajtohemi per
> gjithcka).
> 

hahaha "me shkolle" "i shohin pak ma thelle" hehehe,
je duke ia bere si ai politicani, qe mbasi deshtoi ne
zgjedhje, e akuzoi miletin per mungese te pjecurise
politique :)
hehe i chele letrat. Tregove qe e ke nise fushaten, po
ke deshtu. Une keshtu po e shoh, si nje perpjecje per
me na e shite nje trende politique, qe nuk u ble. Po
hyre sigurt, duke e dite se mundesh me dale me karten
"s'pasqua ketu njerez me schkolle" qe dine me i mendu
"gjanat ma thelle..." (dzidze - sa denigruese
njekohesisht per schoom chuna e chika te kesaj liste 
che po moondohen me kry nje tsope schkolle :( hahaha


> Po ne shume raste u tregua e kunderta. U tregua se
> kur vjen puna me i mendu
> gjanat pak ma thelle, shume njerez nuk dine me mendu
> fort me kry te vet po
> bijne ne sllogane, shume prej te cilave as nuk kane
> lidhje me temen:
> "shkijet lypin dru", "shkijet lypin q** none",
> "krejt shkijet jane si
> Arkani", "ushtaret e UCK-se jane trima", "boll me
> 'hypercorrectesi
> politique'" etj. Qellimi i ketyre ish ma shume me me
> diskredu mua se sa me
> i kontribu diskutimit. Kjo eshte taktika ma e vjeter
> qe njihet ne
> argumentime, e perdoret ma se shpeshti prej atyne qe
> nuk kane argument.
> Askush deri me tash (pervec Arianitit) nuk u mundua
> te ma shpjegoje pse
> vrasja e serbeve ne Kosove qenka dicka qe po i
> ndihmojka Kosoves.
> 

Se pakohen schkiyet. Chach zor me deductu vete ket
poone a? Ti i chkoch nja tre a quater, tjeret ikin
vete. Si ne Prizren. Si ne Prishtine. Si ne Gjacove.
Mandey lidhesh me boschnjaque e haschkalee e thu s'com
problem me combesi tjera. Jane schkiyet ata qe e kane
kete problem. E pa schkiye as che ka mo "problem
cossovar"...




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From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  8 18:37:05 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb  8 18:37:05 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Molla me sherbet
In-Reply-To: <20000208230227.29245.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002081820090.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Shemsi Hima wrote:

> Neyse. Kete comment e perjetova ne ate nivel qe edhe e
> servove. Deshmi te smartassitetit te cilin pohon se e
> possedon. Commenti eshte prove e gjalle e vertetesise
> se atij poheemee. Po ortographia gjermane, e ajo
> anglese qe perdor duhet te jene ne rregull, perderisa
> nuk thua asgje per to? hehehe
> 
Tung Shemsi, bash po me pelqen qysh po shkrun (jo cka po shkrun, po
theksin qe po e perdore...)  Gembi, mos e ke kusheri Shemsiun pahiri, se
po e perdore theksin e ngjashem... ;-)

Shoke dhe shoqe, te mundohemi t'i leme keto mesazhe me "kundza" e te
kqyrim kush e ka ndermend me shku ne Prishtine kete vere qe te mund te
takohemi e te bejme naj barbekju apo ndeje (perpak me thane
zhurke.. shyqyr qi se thash), natyrisht vetem nese vendosim mos te flasim
per politike... ;-)  Nese dikush e ka ndermend te shkoje, kah keni me
fluturu?

Tungi,

Etriti.




From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb  8 18:43:14 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb  8 18:43:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <20000208102744.59125.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002081837510.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Albert Hyseni wrote:

> Asnje fjale ne komentin e Ylberit nuk eshte e huaj. Te gjitha jane fjale 
> shqipe ne perdorim te perditshem. Vullgare?!? Cilat fjale te Ylberit po te 
> duken vullgare. Jam i bindur qe 99% te anetareve te kesaj liste i perdorin 
> keto fjale.

Albert, me poshte po ta nenvizoj fjalen e cila besoj se konsiderohet
vullgare nga 99% e anetareve te kesaj liste (mund te jem edhe
gabim)... Perdorimi i kesaj fjale ne kete liste e cila eshte publike (ku
jane te anetaresuar femije, pleq, femra, gra) eshte njesoj si ta perdorshe
ti kete fjale para motres apo nenes tende, e ma merr mendja se nuk do ta
kishe be kete gje.  Nuk dua te jem personal, vetem e morra si shembull.

Etriti.

> Alberti
> 
> >On Mon, 7 Feb 2000, Ylber Burgija wrote:
> >
> > > -Shum shkurt po ju shkruaj.
> > > Nuk po kuptoj cka kari jeni cu peshe per dy
                        ^^^^
> > > shkije t'vram.
> > > Shum po me shkojn nerva kta papakat ce thojne,
> > > s'bon me i vra shkijet e pa fajshem.
> > > Cka na kan bo ata neve prej se kan ardh n'Ballkan
> > > bre?
> > > "Shka t'mire nuk ka."
> > > Ylberi.




From zabeli at gmx.de  Tue Feb  8 18:50:06 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Tue Feb  8 18:50:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
References: <20000208230227.29245.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20417.950053803@www3.gmx.net>

eshte shume interesant qe shumica e miletit qe u lidhen ne diskuzionin ne
mes te besnikut (pules) dhe arianitit (celes) i morri sendet shume
personalisht pa tentuar aspak t'i kapen esences se diskuzionit (edhe pse per disa
persona tema ishte banale; por per ata qe tema eshte banale, mos te perzihen
vella ne diskuzion e veq le te keqyrin, e disa edhe te mesojne), por vetem duke
e reduktuar te teren ne "ty po tu dhimkan shkijet" (e per qata edhe koke
tradhtar dhe hajvan) ose "ty spo tu dhimkan shkijet" (e per qata koke patriot
dhe i meqem)...mo zo ma keq...

spo them se te gjithe ne duhet te zoterojme retoriken e besnikut ose
ardianit (se edhe me dashte me siguri se smundemi), por bile te mundohemi te
diskutojme ne nje menyre serioze, pa hy ka iqkuri (ylber, tjera here kontrolloje
veten), pa ofendime personale, dhe pa i pergjithsuar sendet (Albert, pse ti
e rrethi yt perdor fjalorin e Ylberit, sdo me thene se tjeret e perdorin
dhe e perkrahin ate fjalor TEPER vulgar, e mos te flasim per 99% te
pjesemarresve te kesaj liste, anetare te se ciles jane, fale zotit, edhe disa femra).

fundi i fundit, ne smund te nderrojme shume me keto diskuzione (se paku jo
ne menyre direkte) por eshte me te vertete nje shance e mire ta zhvillojme
sensin e te diskutuarit e per disa (si qiftin tem e te shemsise, forma (por
jo permbajtja) gjuhesore e te cilit me eshte shume simpatike) edhe ta
permisojne sintaksen gjuhesore.

me tmira, sh. zabeli

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From puka at usa.net  Tue Feb  8 19:14:34 2000
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Tue Feb  8 19:14:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ma shume ekonomi e ma pak politike
Message-ID: <20000209001427.29103.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net>

>Shoke dhe shoqe, te mundohemi t'i leme keto mesazhe me "kundza" e te
>kqyrim kush e ka ndermend me shku ne Prishtine kete vere qe te mund te
>takohemi e te bejme naj barbekju apo ndeje (perpak me thane
>zhurke.. shyqyr qi se thash), natyrisht vetem nese vendosim mos te flasim
>per politike... ;-)  Nese dikush e ka ndermend te shkoje, kah keni me
>fluturu?

Mire e ki shume jena tu fol per politike ,, tashti kosova u cliru edhe nuk i
ka ato problemet e perparshme (perveq mitrovices), po na qe jena jashte nashta
hala jena te ngrime ne kohen e 90-99, per qato po diskutojim shume per
politike. 

Te folim pak ma shume per ekonomi, kam ndi se nuk eshte ndal rryma qe nje jave
ne PRishtine,, edhe qe uji edhe telefoni eshte ka rregulohet shume shpejt.
Kismet deri veres kur shkojna na bohet mire :-).. 

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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 20:11:11 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb  8 20:11:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] schoom tsivilizim bats!
Message-ID: <20000209011109.10374.qmail@web608.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> > Neyse. Kete comment e perjetova ne ate nivel qe
> edhe e
> > servove. Deshmi te smartassitetit te cilin pohon
> se e
> > possedon. Commenti eshte prove e gjalle e
> vertetesise
> > se atij poheemee. Po ortographia gjermane, e ajo
> > anglese qe perdor duhet te jene ne rregull,
> perderisa
> > nuk thua asgje per to? hehehe
> > 
> Tung Shemsi, bash po me pelqen qysh po shkrun (jo
> cka po shkrun, po
> theksin qe po e perdore...) 

 
Hey, bonu frayer nihere e lavderimin mos e shochno me
paranthesim diminutiv. Mos u bo catoonar, ne kohen kur
tsivilizimi po na imponohet dashte-pa dashte :)

>KGembi, mos e ke kusheri
> Shemsiun pahiri, se
> po e perdore theksin e ngjashem... ;-)
> 

Kjo me "theksin", pak boocolique, po po merret vesh :)
Shih, ca nise edhe orthographia me na u chorodite prej
vershimit hypertsivilizues. hahahahaha... E chfare
fayi kam, kur na kane ardhe tooleefar zezacu, kinezi,
arapi... :)




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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  8 20:42:29 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb  8 20:42:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000209014159.20602.qmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com>

> fundi i fundit, ne smund te nderrojme shume me keto
> diskuzione (se paku jo
> ne menyre direkte) por eshte me te vertete nje
> shance e mire ta zhvillojme
> sensin e te diskutuarit e per disa (si qiftin tem e
> te shemsise, forma (por
> jo permbajtja) gjuhesore e te cilit me eshte shume
> simpatike) edhe ta
> permisojne sintaksen gjuhesore.
> 
> me tmira, sh. zabeli
> 

 Schych, allaheele cha ye tu thone? Trayta sintaksore
kach ambitsioze (paranthesime mrena paranthesimeve)
nuk kisha provu ndoyhere. Me ndyey, po ketu teykalohen
aphtesite e mia deductuese...
Kjo "diskuzione" coxha e forte, po e shoh veten duke e
pervetesu chysh tash. Dzidze. A din tyera?


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From ylber at mail.com  Tue Feb  8 21:01:13 2000
From: ylber at mail.com (Ylber Burgija)
Date: Tue Feb  8 21:01:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <382625325.950061671782.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01>

Me vjen keq ne qofte se dikush eshte ofenfuar nga fjalet e mija.
Mirepo pa marr parasysh qendroj prane atyre fjaleve (Vulgare
apo jo) sepse ashtu ndihem per ket teme.
Cka me cudite me shum eshte fakti se nje grup Shqipetaresh nga
gjith bota jane duke u grindur mbi vrasjen e dy Serbeve,
ironija duke qene se nuk mund ti gjesh dy Serbe ne ket toke
duke u grindur mbi vdekjen e dy, dy mije, apo dy milion
Shqpietareve.
Natyrisht, tash do te marr kritika nga Shqipetaret "demokrat"
e te "civilizuar" ne ket grupe.
Para se te me kritikoni shiqojni ata, Shkijet, degjoni fjalet
e liderit Serb ne Mitrovice, Oliver Ivanovic apo fjalet
e Vuk Antonijevic.
(Mbaje ne mend se viktimat e krimeve serbe ne Mitrovice
jane edhe femij e gra).

Ylberi.

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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Wed Feb  9 07:28:14 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Wed Feb  9 07:28:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF49A@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

"Na e keni dzigawe me hypercorrectesine politique...
chu be me pseudocorrestesine e 80-ve: "kush e prish
vllaznim-bashkimin duhet me ia pre kryt si shkavit",
apo ka evolu e po maskohet me suksesshem... edhe uckat
ma dzigawen me convertimin e tyre ne delme
hypercorrecte ... inshallah osht nojfare forme e
sophistikume e maskimit te pseudocorrectesise :), se
muzvet! :)"

A ka mundesi kush me ma perkthy paragrafin e mesiperm, nuk po e kuptoj as
cfare gjuhe eshte, megjithese perdorimi i diftongut "dz" sugjeron ne ndonje
gjuhe sllave ose te influencuar nga sllavishtja.

Besniku (jo Pula, tjeter jam une)



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From shhima at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  9 07:42:26 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Wed Feb  9 07:42:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <20000209124224.13737.qmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com>


--- besnik.grajqevci at bt.com wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> "Na e keni dzigawe me hypercorrectesine politique...
> chu be me pseudocorrestesine e 80-ve: "kush e prish
> vllaznim-bashkimin duhet me ia pre kryt si shkavit",
> apo ka evolu e po maskohet me suksesshem... edhe
> uckat
> ma dzigawen me convertimin e tyre ne delme
> hypercorrecte ... inshallah osht nojfare forme e
> sophistikume e maskimit te pseudocorrectesise :), se
> muzvet! :)"
> 
> A ka mundesi kush me ma perkthy paragrafin e
> mesiperm, nuk po e kuptoj as
> cfare gjuhe eshte, megjithese perdorimi i diftongut
> "dz" sugjeron ne ndonje
> gjuhe sllave ose te influencuar nga sllavishtja.
> 
> Besniku (jo Pula, tjeter jam une)
>

chfare cari. dz - gjuhe sllave? phuahahahahahahaa

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb  9 07:46:41 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb  9 07:46:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
In-Reply-To: <20000209014159.20602.qmail@web606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002090741440.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

On Tue, 8 Feb 2000, Shemsi Hima wrote:

>  Schych, allaheele cha ye tu thone? Trayta sintaksore
> kach ambitsioze (paranthesime mrena paranthesimeve)
> nuk kisha provu ndoyhere. Me ndyey, po ketu teykalohen
> aphtesite e mia deductuese...
> Kjo "diskuzione" coxha e forte, po e shoh veten duke e
> pervetesu chysh tash. Dzidze. A din tyera?

Hej Shemsi, ke interesant 3-4 heret e para, po tash po bohet bajat pak
dialekti yt (mendimi im personal).  Moti s'kemi degju prej Ukes, Uke, cka
mendon ti per kete dialekt, prej nga vjen?  Ndoshta mund ta bejme nje loje
shperblyese, kush e qellon i pari cfare dialekti perdore Shemsiu.  Per
shperblim, mund te diskutojme...

Etriti.




From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Wed Feb  9 08:09:39 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Wed Feb  9 08:09:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF49B@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

"Cka me cudite me shum eshte fakti se nje grup Shqipetaresh nga
gjith bota jane duke u grindur mbi vrasjen e dy Serbeve,
ironija duke qene se nuk mund ti gjesh dy Serbe ne ket toke
duke u grindur mbi vdekjen e dy, dy mije, apo dy milion
Shqpietareve."

Ylber, a mos po don me thane se standardi i mases jane Serbet. Pasi qe
serbet nuk grinden rreth vrasjes se shqiptareve as ne nuk duhet ta bejme
kete. 
Shpresoj se nuk me keqkuptoni e mendoni se jam per grindje, perkundrazi jam
kunder cfaredo  grindjeje. Por gjithashtu jam kunder vleresimit te akteve te
shqiptareve me etalonin serb.
Prej kur serbet ja dhane legjitimitetin krimit? Sipas kesaj qe thua me lart
(e besa edhe disa tjere ne kete diskutim thone te njejten gje) del qe
standardi i kodit etik, moral e kulturor per Kosoven jane serbet.
Problemi i kesaj qeshtje qendron mu ketu, vrasja e serbeve po e lirojka
Kosoven nga prezenca fizike tyre, por a mjafton kjo, a e liron kjo gje
kosoven? Nese edhe pas vrasjes se serbit te fundit ne Kosove vazhdon
atmosfera e njejte ( e une pajtohem me Besnikun se tolerimi i kultures se
dhunes atje con) sikur kur ata ishin ne Kosove, a thua a eshte cliruar
Kosova?

Vrasja e kriminelit eshte legjitime, por etiketimi apriori bazuar ne
emocione nuk eshte.

Te mirremi vesh, une e kuptoj mllefin qe kemi ndaj serbeve (besoj se nuk kam
nevoje ti shjegoj arsyet per kete mllef) por nuk pajtohem qe veprimet tona
te udheheqen nga emocionet. Qeshtja nuk eshte se kush kuj po dhimbset, por
eshte fjala se kush si po sillet. 

Nese e deshirojme nje Kosove te lire e te mire, ku mund te shkojme e te hame
BBQ (ose qyfte, suxhuk etj, BBQ kosovare)atehere nuk duhet te lejojme qe
emocionet te udheheqin me veprimet tona, se po e beme nje gje te tille
ndoshta kurre nuk do ta kemi Kosoven e lire. Se cka ndodhe kur emocionet
dalin para arsyes e kemi shembullin shume te mire ne Shqiperi. Pa pase
nevoje per armik te jashtem e shkaterojne vete shtetin dhe kerkojne qe te
vije e ti qeverise AFOR-i (equivalenca e KFOR-it)

Cdo te mire

Besnik Grajqevci



From shhima at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  9 08:15:31 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Wed Feb  9 08:15:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ver-8 yam bere bayat a?
Message-ID: <20000209131529.21446.qmail@web605.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Hej Shemsi, ke interesant 3-4 heret e para, po tash
> po bohet bajat pak
> dialekti yt (mendimi im personal).
> Etriti.
> 
> 

Ver-8? 1-mend? oh sa m'ophendove, me prishe, me mbyte,
me sh-4-rove. Apo nuck po te pelchen vetem pse ato che
po i thom nuck te shkoyne per 7-i? :)


>Ndoshta mund ta bejme nje
>loje shperblyese, kush e qellon i pari cfare dialekti
>perdore Shemsiu.  Per shperblim, mund te
diskutojme...

Chfare cari. Cush ia chellon? E cush din me kalldzu
sactesisht se cush ia ca chelluar? "per shperblim,
moond te discutojme"? Disctutimin me yoo po e chuan
"shperblim"? phuahahahahaha... apo, ndoshta, trayten
discoursive po ia per-7 choonave e cheeckave "pa
schkolle" ne kete liste... hehehehe

Nuck prita me gjete nje liste plot me choona e cheecka
te mamit e babit ne kete liste. Kech u zhgenyeva.
Keshtu che nese yam bo bayat, diyeni se ndyenya eshte
e ndersyellte :(

lamtoukech :(



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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Wed Feb  9 09:10:38 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Wed Feb  9 09:10:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (yes subject)
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A37@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From:	besnik.grajqevci at bt.com [SMTP:besnik.grajqevci at bt.com]
> 
> 
> 
> Ylber, a mos po don me thane se standardi i mases jane Serbet. Pasi qe
> serbet nuk grinden rreth vrasjes se shqiptareve as ne nuk duhet ta bejme
> kete. 
> Shpresoj se nuk me keqkuptoni e mendoni se jam per grindje, perkundrazi
> jam
> kunder cfaredo  grindjeje. Por gjithashtu jam kunder vleresimit te akteve
> te
> shqiptareve me etalonin serb.
> Prej kur serbet ja dhane legjitimitetin krimit? Sipas kesaj qe thua me
> lart
> (e besa edhe disa tjere ne kete diskutim thone te njejten gje) del qe
> standardi i kodit etik, moral e kulturor per Kosoven jane serbet.
> Problemi i kesaj qeshtje qendron mu ketu, vrasja e serbeve po e lirojka
> Kosoven nga prezenca fizike tyre, por a mjafton kjo, a e liron kjo gje
> kosoven? Nese edhe pas vrasjes se serbit te fundit ne Kosove vazhdon
> atmosfera e njejte ( e une pajtohem me Besnikun se tolerimi i kultures se
> dhunes atje con) sikur kur ata ishin ne Kosove, a thua a eshte cliruar
> Kosova?
> 
> Vrasja e kriminelit eshte legjitime, por etiketimi apriori bazuar ne
> emocione nuk eshte.
> 
> Te mirremi vesh, une e kuptoj mllefin qe kemi ndaj serbeve (besoj se nuk
> kam
> nevoje ti shjegoj arsyet per kete mllef) por nuk pajtohem qe veprimet tona
> te udheheqen nga emocionet. Qeshtja nuk eshte se kush kuj po dhimbset, por
> eshte fjala se kush si po sillet. 
> 
> Nese e deshirojme nje Kosove te lire e te mire, ku mund te shkojme e te
> hame
> BBQ (ose qyfte, suxhuk etj, BBQ kosovare)atehere nuk duhet te lejojme qe
> emocionet te udheheqin me veprimet tona, se po e beme nje gje te tille
> ndoshta kurre nuk do ta kemi Kosoven e lire. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
	Po kjo, njehere per njehere eshte shume kerkese jo rreale bre
burra/gra. Qysh me mujt e me i fshi kto viron emocione, kur nuk munet njeri
(me nder me thane) me pordhe e, mos me tu kujtu t'zezat qe ti kan ba dje e,
fatkeqsisht, po ti bajne sot. Ec e fshiju emocionet njerzve qe hala i kan te
freskta lulet mbi varret e te afermve, qe i kthehet paketa qysh e ka nise
per djalin ne burg ne serbi, qe, besa, nuk e din ku e ka djalin a neser ja
gjene eshtrat diku, qe flen ne tenden buze shtepise te bere blosh, qe nuk
mund ta shutoj penallin i pari se nuk e ka me kemben me te cilen i shutojke
perpara, qe krejt cka ki punue e kursye per 20-30 vjet i ki te  Jova
n'Panceve, qe...
	Allahilja e zotit, ne paci receptin se qysh me i hjeke emocionet,
boni sevape e kallzomni.
	 Eshte krejt njerzore me qene emocional ne keto situata vec, s'ka
fjale, eshte shume me jo-praktike.
	A pe dini poezine:
	"oh si nuk kam nje grusht te forte..."
	Une po e modifikoj:
	"oh si nuk jam pa emocione..."
	Pyetja i qe drejtuar Ylberit e une po pergjigjem, po jo ne emer te
tij:
	Ne raport me shkije ne duhet te sillemi sipas standardit etik qe ata
e kane, fatkeqesisht, percaktuar para nesh. Ata na kan ba zullum e valla
tash eshte rendi i jone.
	 Kurre nuk ja kemi pa hajrin (historikisht) qe kemi ndejt urte dhe
na jemi sille mire me ta deri sa ata na kane kille. Menja e shnoshe thote se
ju, te dy Besniqet(shumes per Besniket), te tjeret, keni plotesisht te
drejte. Po t'mos e kisha menjen teme t'infektueme me keto emocione, me
siguri do t'menojsha si ju. Vec, hajt bre,  ta provojna njehere ne histori
qe na me qene te kqijt, agresoret, sulmuesit, ne ofensive. Nashte le t'na
shajne bota, nashta bre s'dihet, e na del mire, e bindemi se krejt gjanat ne
jete nuk po i grahka shoferi i quajtur logjike, se "c'ka t'mjellesh ki me
korre" e "bon mire se gjene mire" , "e mira/drejta gjith fiton" jane vec
anetare te rreprezentacionit te BBQ-se kosovare (qyfte), e kurgjo ma teper.
	Jam mese i bindur se qata pleqt qe i kan qite keto fjale te "urta",
vete jon kone t'halitshem e hajgaregji.

	Pershendetje emocionale
	Arianiti

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From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Wed Feb  9 09:26:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A38@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Marre nga:
Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s 
Informatori ditor nr.2545
Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000

SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
rind?rtimin e Kosov?s 

Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
Bill Klinton, ....

	Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb  9 09:40:27 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb  9 09:40:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (yes subject)
In-Reply-To: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A37@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002090934100.5786-100000@alb-net.com>

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Arianit Celaj wrote:

> 	 Kurre nuk ja kemi pa hajrin (historikisht) qe kemi ndejt urte dhe
> na jemi sille mire me ta deri sa ata na kane kille. Menja e shnoshe thote se
> ju, te dy Besniqet(shumes per Besniket), te tjeret, keni plotesisht te
> drejte. Po t'mos e kisha menjen teme t'infektueme me keto emocione, me
> siguri do t'menojsha si ju. Vec, hajt bre,  ta provojna njehere ne histori
> qe na me qene te kqijt, agresoret, sulmuesit, ne ofensive. Nashte le t'na
> shajne bota, nashta bre s'dihet, e na del mire, e bindemi se krejt gjanat ne
> jete nuk po i grahka shoferi i quajtur logjike, se "c'ka t'mjellesh ki me
> korre" e "bon mire se gjene mire" , "e mira/drejta gjith fiton" jane vec
> anetare te rreprezentacionit te BBQ-se kosovare (qyfte), e kurgjo ma teper.

Paj edhe ata qe kane perdore dhune e nuk kane ndejte urte nuk i kane punet
aq mire, e kam fjalen per Serbet.. shiko ku gjinden qetash (edhe pse kane
vra me mija njerez fatkeqesisht): e hupen krajinen, bosna u be shtet i
pamvarun (shpresoj se ua marrin edhe republika srpskan), e hupen kosoven
(kismet po behet shtet i pamvarun se shpejti), e po get edhe malin e zi do
ta hupin shume shpejt.  ku me dite, ndoshta edhe sanxhakun e vojvodinen e
hupin poashtu, e ju mbetet pashalleku i beogradit (e sa per standardin e
tyne jetesor mos te flasim)...  Kush e di qysh eshte ma mire...

Po ajo fjala "me livru" (prej mesazhit tend tjeter) cka do te thote?

Hej, kush eshte tu udheheqe ne futboll ne ligen e pare kosovare?

Tungi,

Etriti.

> 	Jam mese i bindur se qata pleqt qe i kan qite keto fjale te "urta",
> vete jon kone t'halitshem e hajgaregji.
> 
> 	Pershendetje emocionale
> 	Arianiti




From shhima at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  9 10:02:24 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Wed Feb  9 10:02:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] livroni euroschqip
Message-ID: <20000209150222.13010.qmail@web604.mail.yahoo.com>

?  Ndoshta
> mund ta bejme nje loje
> shperblyese, kush e qellon i pari cfare dialekti
> perdore Shemsiu.  Per
> shperblim, mund te diskutojme...
> 

Hey, nuck yoo 3-gova se si chuhet, e tsila eschte kyo
gjooha (gjooha - yo dialecti) qe po e schruaj. E cam
chuajtur "euroschip". Yoo kooytohet ai axioni "me laps
ne Europe" che deshtoi? Kete here me "euroschipen", pa
as-1 2-shim, po footemi ne Europe perfoondimisht,
prandaj yoo ftoy me livrue e me mbesh-8. :)

lamtoumeer :)
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Wed Feb  9 10:18:49 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Wed Feb  9 10:18:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (yes subject)
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A3B@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Fort po kam qef me besu si ti po, ckrraja e dyshimit s'po m'len rahat:

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Etrit Bardhi [SMTP:etrit at alb-net.com]
> 
> Paj edhe ata qe kane perdore dhune e nuk kane ndejte urte nuk i kane punet
> aq mire, e kam fjalen per Serbet.. shiko ku gjinden qetash (edhe pse kane
> vra me mija njerez fatkeqesisht): 
> 
	e per te cilet ndoshta ne fund kane me u denu nja 8-9 vete n'Hage me
burgim 5-6 vjecare 

> e hupen krajinen,
> 
	Krajinen e kan pase te pushtueme ma pare (sa 200-300 vjet), kurgjo
nuk kan hupe, vec e kane kthye, si Anglia Hong -Kongun.Per kete,  jan ne
paj, qe thojshim kur lujshim me klikera (0-0)
>  bosna u be shtet i
> pamvarun (shpresoj se ua marrin edhe republika srpskan),
> 
	qefi mu kish bo vec, fort dyshoj. Njehere per njehere ajo eshte
pjese e Serbise vec jo n'leter. Sidomos nese na leshojne neve me shku. 
>  e hupen kosoven
> (kismet po behet shtet i pamvarun se shpejti),
> 
	ta shohim qysh po shkon puna me veri t'Kosoves. Ata krejt Kosoven
kurre  te veten se kan pase dhe jam i bindur se e kan dite qe nuk do te mund
e mbajne krejt. Sa e sa plane (me siguri te ka ra te degjosh) i kane pasur
qe t'i marrin do Trepca e Obiliqa dhe nja dy komuna (te formuara rishtazi),
Z.Potok e Leposaviq. sic po shihet Obiliqi nuk po i vyen kurgjo kerkujt e na
e lan jadec neve, keto tjerat ... qe thua ti , te shohim. Mos te harrojme
pjeset  t'Kosoves Lindore: Presheva, Bujanovci etj qe na iken krejt. 

>  e po get edhe malin e zi do
> ta hupin shume shpejt.  
	Mali i Zi me Shkije jane si na me Shypnine. Bagel, na ka ra rrota e
kerrit ne mes dhe na ka da ne dy hise.
> ku me dite, ndoshta edhe sanxhakun e vojvodinen e
> hupin poashtu, e ju mbetet pashalleku i beogradit (e sa per standardin e
> tyne jetesor mos te flasim)...  
> 
	N'fitofte "opozita" ju hjekin sanksionet e cohet n'kome serbia para
nesh. Po ka ftesa per me ju hjeke sanksionet qetash bile.

> Kush e di qysh eshte ma mire...
	Une jo.

> Po ajo fjala "me livru" (prej mesazhit tend tjeter) cka do te thote?
	Tybe ne di. qashtu e morra prej QIK-es

> Hej, kush eshte tu udheheqe ne futboll ne ligen e pare kosovare?
> 
	E qetu m'ki nxone ngusht. Nuk e di

> Tungi,
> 
> Etriti.
> 
	Tungi rungi
	Arianiti
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Wed Feb  9 10:20:31 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  9 10:20:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] subject e shku subjectit :)
Message-ID: <10.a4c566.25d2df81@aol.com>

lLe ta lajm loj shperblimin ma mire tja falim nje Fjalor te gjuhes shqipe dhe 
Shemsiu
mund te shfletoj  the ta shikon   Drejtshkrimin 
besoj se ky eshte varianti me i favorshem qe ne te ardhmen mes me pas ksi 
gabime
Tung Zena 



From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Wed Feb  9 11:02:51 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Wed Feb  9 11:02:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] livroni euroschqip
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF49F@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Shemsio,

Aksioni "me laps ne Europe" nuk ka deshtue. Problemi eshte se derisa na
mberrime me laps ne Europe, Europa filloi me i perdore kompjuterat.
Sa i perket "Euroschipes" kam nje dyshim se patentin per kete gjuhe e ka
dikush tjeter (ndoshta gevermenti i Albanise apo bordi i ndonje kompanie).
Megjithate mos me te shku mundi huq, besoj se mundesh me ju propozu
drejtshkrimin tend ashtu qe integrimi i gjuhes shqipe ne Europe te jete
komplet.

Besniku (prap ai tjetri)

Hey, nuck yoo 3-gova se si chuhet, e tsila eschte kyo
gjooha (gjooha - yo dialecti) qe po e schruaj. E cam
chuajtur "euroschip". Yoo kooytohet ai axioni "me laps
ne Europe" che deshtoi? Kete here me "euroschipen", pa
as-1 2-shim, po footemi ne Europe perfoondimisht,
prandaj yoo ftoy me livrue e me mbesh-8. :)

lamtoumeer :)
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Wed Feb  9 11:03:44 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Wed Feb  9 11:03:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
Message-ID: <200002091045.AA655658@prishtina.com>

Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes "livery" qe do te thote: 

the act of delivering legal possession of property

Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)

Tung
Dardani


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000

>Marre nga:
>Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s 
>Informatori ditor nr.2545
>Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
>
>SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
>rind?rtimin e Kosov?s 
>
>Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
>Bill Klinton, ....
>
>	Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
>livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
>t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
>
>
>
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From ssander at ans.net  Wed Feb  9 14:29:08 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Wed Feb  9 14:29:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Qe edhe nje artikull!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002091427400.10382-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html

tung

- Sander 





From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb  9 19:17:38 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb  9 19:17:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrovica
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002091427400.10382-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002091914350.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

This article clearly proves that the French troops are not doing their job
in Mitrovica (either because they are not that brave or because of their
kinship to Serbs.  

If this is the case, they shouldn't be stationed in Mitrovica.  We should
all petition the proper authorities for them to be removed from
Mitrovica.  Enough is enough.

Etrit.

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html
> 
> tung
> 
> - Sander 
> 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
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> 




From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb  9 19:18:44 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb  9 19:18:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] IPTF (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002091918360.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:16:01 EST
From: BadCop526 at aol.com
To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com
Subject: IPTF

I am interested in any information you might have pertaining to the 
International Police Task Force in your area...

Thanks Dennis




From arapi55 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 03:07:31 2000
From: arapi55 at yahoo.com (Arben ARAPI)
Date: Thu Feb 10 03:07:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 'Dardania'Bank robbed
Message-ID: <20000210080728.9990.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>

nje informat taze nga Prishtina.

Parmbreme 15 persona te armatosur plackiten 'Dardania'
Banken ne qender te Prishtines. Ende nuk dihet shuma e
te hollave te vjedhura. Sypozohet per nje shume prej
400,000 - 600,000 marka gjermane.

Arbeni

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From arapi55 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 03:23:57 2000
From: arapi55 at yahoo.com (Arben ARAPI)
Date: Thu Feb 10 03:23:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrovica
Message-ID: <20000210082355.11137.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>

I fully agree with Etrit...just one more story that
tells the 'braveness' of french

American Police Officer told Koha Ditore what happened
to him the night when violence escalated in Mitrovica.
He with some other officers went to rescue Albanian
citizens on the Northern side of the bridge when
violence broke out. They were escorted by few french
soldiers. At one moment a group of Serbs ran towards
police officers and hit this guy with baseball bat.
Imagine what happened-french soldiers were frightened
and escaped from the scene leaving american officer
lying injured on the ground. Somebody then called
Danish soldiers and after few moments officer was
rescued.




> This article clearly proves that the French troops
> are not doing their job
> in Mitrovica (either because they are not that brave
> or because of their
> kinship to Serbs.  
> 
> If this is the case, they shouldn't be stationed in
> Mitrovica.  We should
> all petition the proper authorities for them to be
> removed from
> Mitrovica.  Enough is enough.
> 
> Etrit.
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > 
> >
>
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html
> > 
> > tung
> > 
> > - Sander 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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> 
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Thu Feb 10 05:59:24 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 05:59:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrov ica
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A4C@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

French are everything else but not cowards. So this leaves the other Etrit's
explanation.
 You are, probably, also aware that no arrest of the indicted war criminals
in Bosnia, was undertaken by the French troops. It is also a well known
"secret" that Karadzic and Mladic live in the French sector. 
Hey, people are protesting in person (protests by the Iber Bridge), a lot of
political leaders, in Kosove, are protesting to the proper authorities for
their removal but nothing as yet.
Arianit
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Etrit Bardhi [SMTP:etrit at alb-net.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:18 AM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Cc:	Albanian List
> Subject:	[Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in
> Mitrovica
> 
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> This article clearly proves that the French troops are not doing their job
> in Mitrovica (either because they are not that brave or because of their
> kinship to Serbs.  
> 
> If this is the case, they shouldn't be stationed in Mitrovica.  We should
> all petition the proper authorities for them to be removed from
> Mitrovica.  Enough is enough.
> 
> Etrit.
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html
> > 
> > tung
> > 
> > - Sander 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _____________________________________________________
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> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > 
> 
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From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 10 10:27:42 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 10:27:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrov
 ica
In-Reply-To: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A4C@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002101013260.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Hello all, 

personally I agree with all the comments, starting with Etrit's, and
continuing through Arben's.  I am sure all of us feel the same when it
comes to the response that French troops have made regarding the latest
conflict in Mitrovica. The question is, what would it take for NATO to
replace or reposition these troops somewhere else in Kosova, and have the
Danish forces for example protect the civilians in Mitrovica? 

Also Arianit noted a good point when it comes to the treatement serb war
criminals in Bosnia recieved from the French.  But we can kind of see the
pattern here and even discuss why and how  were French troops placed with
such a strategy fisrt in Bosnia, then in Kosova?  Hopefully this can be
stopped before it leads into a worse conflict than we witnessed few days
ago in Mitrovica.

thanx

- Sander 


On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arianit Celaj wrote:

> French are everything else but not cowards. So this leaves the other Etrit's
> explanation.
>  You are, probably, also aware that no arrest of the indicted war criminals
> in Bosnia, was undertaken by the French troops. It is also a well known
> "secret" that Karadzic and Mladic live in the French sector. 
> Hey, people are protesting in person (protests by the Iber Bridge), a lot of
> political leaders, in Kosove, are protesting to the proper authorities for
> their removal but nothing as yet.
> Arianit
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Etrit Bardhi [SMTP:etrit at alb-net.com]
> > Sent:	Thursday, February 10, 2000 12:18 AM
> > To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > Cc:	Albanian List
> > Subject:	[Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in
> > Mitrovica
> > 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > This article clearly proves that the French troops are not doing their job
> > in Mitrovica (either because they are not that brave or because of their
> > kinship to Serbs.  
> > 
> > If this is the case, they shouldn't be stationed in Mitrovica.  We should
> > all petition the proper authorities for them to be removed from
> > Mitrovica.  Enough is enough.
> > 
> > Etrit.
> > 
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:
> > 
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html
> > > 
> > > tung
> > > 
> > > - Sander 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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> > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > > 
> > 
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From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 10 10:30:45 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 10:30:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 'Dardania'Bank robbed
In-Reply-To: <20000210080728.9990.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002101027180.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Arben, 

keto lokale, banka, institucione qe mbajne sasi te medhaja te hollash, a
kane far roje te percaktuar.  Pyes kete sepse kohen e fundit, lajmet e
tilla vetem po shumohen, ku shuma te medha te hollash, bile edhe ato te
dhuruara per nevoja humanitare jane duke u plackitur.  Pasi qe je 'pak' me
afer vendit te ngjarjes, mendova se do te kesh lajme pak me te
hollesishme sa i perket kesaj dukurije.

faliminer ;)

- Sandri 


On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> nje informat taze nga Prishtina.
> 
> Parmbreme 15 persona te armatosur plackiten 'Dardania'
> Banken ne qender te Prishtines. Ende nuk dihet shuma e
> te hollave te vjedhura. Sypozohet per nje shume prej
> 400,000 - 600,000 marka gjermane.
> 
> Arbeni
> 
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Thu Feb 10 10:52:14 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 10:52:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rregullorja 2000/4
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A51@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Anetare te nderuar e shume te dashur (t'ju marr me t'mire pak)te listes,
pashe Zotin mos i kallxoni Kushes per shkrimet e mia ne kete liste se e kam
ndermend , dikur sivjet, me shku n'Kosove e, pe hajsha burgun. 
Eu bre nonen c'te ko shkrue me lyp azil per s'dyti e, boll po ja pritoj!!!
Ju ndoshta e dini se une vec kam bo hajgare more, se mu kan dhi, ksi bre
dhimte, qata shkije si ...
Shume ju don e rrespekton, krejt antaret e listes ma t'mire n'krejt boten (e
edhe me gjere)

Arianiti

P.S. Besnik (te dyte), Etrit a po pini najsen, une paguje, mos t'ju vjen
marre.


"Kushner n?nshkruan rregulloren kund?r nxitjes s? urrejtjes nacioanle,
fetare ose etnike

 

Prishtin?, 10 shkurt (QIK) - Rregullorja e re e ndalimit t? nxitjes s?
urrejtjes nacionale, raciste, fetare ose etnike, grindjeve
apo intoleranc?s (Rregullorja 2000/4) ?sht? element ky? p?r shoq?rin?
demokratike n? t? cil?n diskutimet civile dhe debatet
politike duhet t? mbahen me p?rgjegj?si dhe n? m?nyr? jo t? dhunshme.
Rregullorja, t? cil?n e ka n?nshkruar Bernar Kushner,
?sht? dizpozit? e p?rgjithshme kund?r nxitjes publike t? urrejtje s apo
dhun?s midis grupeve etnike , fetare apo grupeve tjera q?
jetojn? n? Kosov?.

Rregullorja u diskutua me K?shillin e P?rbashk?t K?shilldh?n?s t? Kosov?s
p?r ??shtje gjyq?sore dhe K?shillin e Evrop?s,
komentet e t? cil?ve u reflektuan n? k?t? ligj. Ligji ?sht? n? p?rputhje me
marr?veshjen nd?rkomb?tare mbi t? drejtat civile dhe
poliyike dhe me konvent?n Evropiane mbi t? drejat e njeriut.

Rregullorja parasheh d?nimin n? t? holla dhe me burg deri n? 5 vjet p?r
secilin person i cili publikisht nxit apo p?rhap urrejtjen,
grindjen ose inteleranc?n midis grupeve p?rkat?se n? Kosov?. P?r ata t?
cil?t i kryejen? k?to akte n? m?nyr? sistematike ose e
shfryt?zojn? pozit?n e tyre d?nimet me burg do t? jen? deri n? 10 vjet. Kjo
i ngarkon me p?rgjegj?si t? posa?me njer?zit t? cil?t
n? baz? t? pozit?s apo funksionit q? kryejn?, kan? mund?si t? d?gjohen nga
opinioni i gj?r?. Me k?t? n?nkuptohen politikan?t,
lider?t e bashk?sive, gazetar?t, botuesit e mbase edhe arsimtar?t."


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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 10 10:56:52 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 10 10:56:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 'Dardania'Bank robbed
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4B2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Hmmm... A thu Sand?r pse po vet ti kto sene?

Mos e ki n?rmen me shku n? Kosov? ma frik (frik - s? shpejti)

Besniku

Arben, 

keto lokale, banka, institucione qe mbajne sasi te medhaja te hollash, a
kane far roje te percaktuar.  Pyes kete sepse kohen e fundit, lajmet e
tilla vetem po shumohen, ku shuma te medha te hollash, bile edhe ato te
dhuruara per nevoja humanitare jane duke u plackitur.  Pasi qe je 'pak' me
afer vendit te ngjarjes, mendova se do te kesh lajme pak me te
hollesishme sa i perket kesaj dukurije.

faliminer ;)

- Sandri 


On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> nje informat taze nga Prishtina.
> 
> Parmbreme 15 persona te armatosur plackiten 'Dardania'
> Banken ne qender te Prishtines. Ende nuk dihet shuma e
> te hollave te vjedhura. Sypozohet per nje shume prej
> 400,000 - 600,000 marka gjermane.
> 
> Arbeni
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com
> 
> _____________________________________________________
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> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
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From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 10 10:58:41 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 10:58:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 'Dardania'Bank robbed
In-Reply-To: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4B2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002101058100.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

hehehe  Besnik, 

vetem me qellim diskutimi ;)

- Sander 


On Thu, 10 Feb 2000 besnik.grajqevci at bt.com wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> Hmmm... A thu Sand?r pse po vet ti kto sene?
> 
> Mos e ki n?rmen me shku n? Kosov? ma frik (frik - s? shpejti)
> 
> Besniku
> 
> Arben, 
> 
> keto lokale, banka, institucione qe mbajne sasi te medhaja te hollash, a
> kane far roje te percaktuar.  Pyes kete sepse kohen e fundit, lajmet e
> tilla vetem po shumohen, ku shuma te medha te hollash, bile edhe ato te
> dhuruara per nevoja humanitare jane duke u plackitur.  Pasi qe je 'pak' me
> afer vendit te ngjarjes, mendova se do te kesh lajme pak me te
> hollesishme sa i perket kesaj dukurije.
> 
> faliminer ;)
> 
> - Sandri 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > nje informat taze nga Prishtina.
> > 
> > Parmbreme 15 persona te armatosur plackiten 'Dardania'
> > Banken ne qender te Prishtines. Ende nuk dihet shuma e
> > te hollave te vjedhura. Sypozohet per nje shume prej
> > 400,000 - 600,000 marka gjermane.
> > 
> > Arbeni
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
> > http://im.yahoo.com
> > 
> > _____________________________________________________
> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 
> _____________________________________________________
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> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 10 11:20:14 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 10 11:20:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rregullorja 2000/4
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4B5@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>




Anetare te nderuar e shume te dashur (t'ju marr me t'mire pak)te listes, 
pashe Zotin mos i kallxoni Kushes per shkrimet e mia ne kete liste se e kam
ndermend , dikur sivjet, me shku n'Kosove e, pe hajsha burgun. 

Eu bre nonen c'te ko shkrue me lyp azil per s'dyti e, boll po ja pritoj!!! 
Ju ndoshta e dini se une vec kam bo hajgare more, se mu kan dhi, ksi bre
dhimte, qata shkije si ... 
Shume ju don e rrespekton, krejt antaret e listes ma t'mire n'krejt boten (e
edhe me gjere) 

Arianiti 

P.S. Besnik (te dyte), Etrit a po pini najsen, une paguje, mos t'ju vjen
marre. 



[Besniku] Po more qysh jo, nja tre-katerdhet pinta Stella. (Mas qatyne
Stellav, pajtohna me ty per qka te dush. Nashta edhe shkojna e vrajna, nuk
po guxoj me thane kan se mos ka hy ligji i Kushes n'fuqi e pe ha.)

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From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Thu Feb 10 11:39:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?U_testuan_telefonat_mobil=EB?=
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A56@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

"U testuan telefonat mobil?

 

Prishtin?, 10 shkurt (QIK) - Pajimet e telefonis? mobile u montuan n? nj?
zon? t? kufizuar p?r ta testuar rrjetin. Kartelat
"pre-paid" SIM dhe ato g?rvish?se jan? duke u p?rgatitur p?r tu shitur."


Aaaaa qeto "kartelat gervishese" jane shume t'rrezikshme, i kane kthetrat si
t'kulshedrave t'egra. A mos jane te ngjajshme me ato qe i quajshim shqip
"brus papir"-letra grithse, ne ore t'BAT-it



Arianiti



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Date: Thu Feb 10 14:20:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pershendetje vendlindjes
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 10 18:11:48 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:11:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] The French...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002101809270.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

I totally agree with Andrew... I guess the French ARE doing their dirty
work...

Andrew Eiva wrote:

Etrit Bardhi wrote that French troops are NOT doing their job in
Mitrovica.

On the contrary, I believe they are. That is why the vital Trepce mining
region was assigned to the most pro-Milosevic KFOR contingent, the French.
The decision to set up a situation that would allow this $5 billiion piece
of real estate, the Trepce minie complex, to be torn out of Kosova and
allowed to stay under Milosevic's control was made under US leadership of
KFOR.

If one looks at the financial clues, a consistent US Balkan policy for
Milosevic to profit at the victims' expense has been visible since 1992.

The US participated in an arms embargo to tie Bosnia's hands behind its
back for three years of Serb slaughter and looting. Then, at Dayton, the
US legitimized Republika Srpska, where about 250,000 homes and housing
units had been taken from their original owners. At an average of $40,000
each that is $10 billion.  This real estate profit was centrally
controlled by the Bureau of Removal of Populations and Property Transfer,
located in Banja Luka, but with a trail of control leading back to
Milosevic.

Thus, Holbrooke's diplomatic creation of Republika Srpska, beyond the
administartive control of Sarajevo, allows the Srpska police, many of whom
were the same rapists and murderers involved in the cleansing, to
brutalize and kill off owners trying to reclaim their property in Srpska,
year after year, a few families at a time, not enough to draw media
attention. This helps guarantee that Milosevic and his cronies will be
able to dispose of the property and profits from its sale.

To the tune of $10 billion in Bosnia and $ 5 billion in Kosova, the US
rips off the victims and rewards Milosevic with resources to help him
crush potential resistance in Serbia and and finance new adventures in
Sandzak or Montenegro.

Clinton has spent $15 billion on US Balkan policy to put $15 billion in
Milosevic's pocket, shafting the US taxpayer, the Bosnians, Kosovars and
all Balkan people of good will.

Etrit, the French ARE doing their job, but it is a small part of Clinton's
policy.




From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 10 18:18:11 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:18:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrovica
In-Reply-To: <38A329ED.E4714B86@email.unc.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002101812480.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

I really liked Thomas' idea of contacting the French Embassy, but do you
think they'll care?  If they cared enough they wouldn't be acting the way
they are...  I'll write them anywayz.  As Andrew put it in an earlier
article, the French ARE doing what they intend to do, help the Serbian
paramilitaries just like they did in Bosnia.

Etrit.

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Thomas G. Coonan wrote:

> I think Albanians and their friend ought to make a big noise about this
> to the French Government (embassies, consulates, etc.) as well as to ask
> their members of Congress to look into this matter and do what they can
> to pressure the French Government to start living up to its commitments
> in Kosova.  
> 
> If the French don't want to live up to the U.N. resolutions and NATO
> agreements, they should be forced to give up their KFOR zone.  It is
> obvious that the French are working on their own agenda (as much
> anti-American as pro-Serb).  If they are not stopped now, the
> partitioning of Kosova (with Mitrovica, Trepca and possibly some of
> Drenica lost) is only a matter of time.  This is a replay of what the
> Russians did in their zone in Germany immediately after World War II.  I
> guess the moral of all this is that France (like Russia) will consort
> with war criminels and drench their hands in innocent blood if it
> advances their chauvanistic goals in the Balkans and the world.
> 
> You can direct your protest to:
> 
>                  Embassy of France in the U.S.:
> 
>                  telephone (202) 944-6000
>                  e-mail via Internet
> http://www.info-france-usa.org/fcontact.htm
> 
> 
> -Thomas Coonan   





From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 10 18:20:46 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:20:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] 'Dardania'Bank robbed
In-Reply-To: <20000210080728.9990.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002101820090.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

> nje informat taze nga Prishtina.
> 
> Parmbreme 15 persona te armatosur plackiten 'Dardania'
> Banken ne qender te Prishtines. Ende nuk dihet shuma e
> te hollave te vjedhura. Sypozohet per nje shume prej
> 400,000 - 600,000 marka gjermane.

Mos kane qene trupat Franceze tu e rujte banken?  ;-)
> 
> Arbeni




From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 10 18:24:09 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:24:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrovica
In-Reply-To: <20000210082355.11137.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002101821360.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I fully agree with Etrit...just one more story that
> tells the 'braveness' of french
> 
> American Police Officer told Koha Ditore what happened
> to him the night when violence escalated in Mitrovica.
> He with some other officers went to rescue Albanian
> citizens on the Northern side of the bridge when
> violence broke out. They were escorted by few french
> soldiers. At one moment a group of Serbs ran towards
> police officers and hit this guy with baseball bat.
> Imagine what happened-french soldiers were frightened
> and escaped from the scene leaving american officer
> lying injured on the ground. Somebody then called
> Danish soldiers and after few moments officer was
> rescued.
> 
When we call the French Embassy, we should note that not only are the
French not able to protect the civilians in Mitrovica, but they also put
in danger lives of many American citizens who are serving as policemen in
Mitrovica.  Even though it seems that they don't care about Americans that
much as well...

Etrit.




From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 10 18:27:52 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 10 18:27:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrov
 ica
In-Reply-To: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A4C@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002101825140.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arianit Celaj wrote:

> French are everything else but not cowards. So this leaves the other Etrit's
> explanation.
>  You are, probably, also aware that no arrest of the indicted war criminals
> in Bosnia, was undertaken by the French troops. It is also a well known
> "secret" that Karadzic and Mladic live in the French sector. 

Exactly.  And also that in more than one instance French intelligence
officers "slipped" highly-confidential information to their Serbian
counterparts...

That's it, I am not eating Dijon mustard anymore... 

> Hey, people are protesting in person (protests by the Iber Bridge), a lot of
> political leaders, in Kosove, are protesting to the proper authorities for
> their removal but nothing as yet.
> Arianit




From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Fri Feb 11 04:45:22 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Fri Feb 11 04:45:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Kosova
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4BD@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

In my view French are acting in the way they do in former Yugoslavia, not as
much for the sympathy they have for Serbs (I admit sympathy is part of it)
but more because of their determination to undermine American policy. Bear
in mind France is not a NATO member, and they are pushing hard to create an
equivalent armed force within Europe, that they could control. They are not
happy that America has dominant role in the world. I believe the unhappiness
stems not from the desire to do better job than Americans in these issues,
but much more to be in position to serve their interests.

I see that all participants in this discussion list are aware of they games
that are played. I just hope that we will use this awareness to pull
ourselves together and become players in this game (the only way to at least
have a chance of winning anything)  otherwise we risk being merely chips
that are passed around the table and won by whoever happen to have the best
hand at the time.

regards

Besnik Grajqevci

-----Original Message-----
From: Etrit Bardhi [mailto:etrit at alb-net.com]
Sent: 10 February 2000 23:24
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Cc: Albanian List
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in
Mitrovica


             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I fully agree with Etrit...just one more story that
> tells the 'braveness' of french
> 
> American Police Officer told Koha Ditore what happened
> to him the night when violence escalated in Mitrovica.
> He with some other officers went to rescue Albanian
> citizens on the Northern side of the bridge when
> violence broke out. They were escorted by few french
> soldiers. At one moment a group of Serbs ran towards
> police officers and hit this guy with baseball bat.
> Imagine what happened-french soldiers were frightened
> and escaped from the scene leaving american officer
> lying injured on the ground. Somebody then called
> Danish soldiers and after few moments officer was
> rescued.
> 
When we call the French Embassy, we should note that not only are the
French not able to protect the civilians in Mitrovica, but they also put
in danger lives of many American citizens who are serving as policemen in
Mitrovica.  Even though it seems that they don't care about Americans that
much as well...

Etrit.


_____________________________________________________
Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
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From kayeking at dialin.net  Fri Feb 11 09:03:08 2000
From: kayeking at dialin.net (Kaye King)
Date: Fri Feb 11 09:03:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_U_testuan_telefonat_mobil=EB?=
Message-ID: <01bf749a$6c8f9d00$b18f5dc2@kayeking>


-----Original Message-----
    From: Arianit Celaj <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
    To: Albanian_Uk (E-mail) <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; 'prishtina-l at alb-net.com' <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>; Info-Tech (E-mail) <info-tech at alb-net.com>
    Date: 10 February 2000 16:49
    Subject: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?
    
    
    "U testuan telefonat mobil? 
    
      
    
    Prishtin?, 10 shkurt (QIK) - Pajimet e telefonis? mobile u montuan n? nj? zon? t? kufizuar p?r ta testuar rrjetin. Kartelat
    
    "pre-paid" SIM dhe ato g?rvish?se jan? duke u p?rgatitur p?r tu shitur." 
    
    
    
    Aaaaa qeto "kartelat gervishese" jane shume t'rrezikshme, i kane kthetrat si t'kulshedrave t'egra. A mos jane te ngjajshme me ato qe i quajshim shqip "brus papir"-letra grithse, ne ore t'BAT-it
    
    
    
    
    Arianiti 
    
    
    Please can you translate this message into English for me?
    Many thanks!
    
    Kaye
    kayeking at dialin.net
    
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Fri Feb 11 09:43:21 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Fri Feb 11 09:43:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_=5BPrishtina-l=5DRe=3A_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?U_testuan_telefonat_mobil=EB?=
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4C2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Kaye,
 
The message notifies that mobile telephony in Kosova has been implemented in
restricted area and that sim and scratch cards are being prepared to go on
sale.
 
The comment on this is a light-hearted pointing out the translation of
"scratch cards". The translator has used the same word that in Albanian is
used for sandpaper, hence the joke.
 
Hope this helps
 
Besnik Grajqevci

[Besnik] 
 -----Original Message-----
From: Kaye King [mailto:kayeking at dialin.net]
Sent: 11 February 2000 14:15
To: prishtina-l
Subject: [Prishtina-l]Re: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Arianit Celaj < arianit at nortelnetworks.com
<mailto:arianit at nortelnetworks.com> >
To: Albanian_Uk (E-mail) < albanian_uk at listbot.com
<mailto:albanian_uk at listbot.com> >; 'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'
<mailto:'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'>  < prishtina-l at alb-net.com
<mailto:prishtina-l at alb-net.com> >; Info-Tech (E-mail) <
info-tech at alb-net.com <mailto:info-tech at alb-net.com> >
Date: 10 February 2000 16:49
Subject: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?



"U testuan telefonat mobil? 

  

Prishtin?, 10 shkurt (QIK) - Pajimet e telefonis? mobile u montuan n? nj?
zon? t? kufizuar p?r ta testuar rrjetin. Kartelat

"pre-paid" SIM dhe ato g?rvish?se jan? duke u p?rgatitur p?r tu shitur." 


Aaaaa qeto "kartelat gervishese" jane shume t'rrezikshme, i kane kthetrat si
t'kulshedrave t'egra. A mos jane te ngjajshme me ato qe i quajshim shqip
"brus papir"-letra grithse, ne ore t'BAT-it



Arianiti 


Please can you translate this message into English for me?

Many thanks! 

 

Kaye

kayeking at dialin.net <mailto:kayeking at dialin.net> 
 

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Feb 11 12:31:38 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri Feb 11 12:31:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111229170.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

British Troops Replace French in Riot-Torn Kosovo Town

By CARLOTTA GALL

PRISTINA, Kosovo, Feb. 10 -- British peacekeeping forces took
over guard duties on a bridge in the ethnically divided town of
Mitrovica in northern Kosovo today, replacing French troops that had been
accused of failing to protect ethnic Albanians and Serbs. 

Read the full story at:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/021100kosovo-guard.html

------------
Thomas Coonan wrote:

Perhaps I am just naive, but I think that if enough people protest to
the French Embassy (by email, phone calls, letters or -- why not -- with
a demonstration in front of their building), they may realize that their
barbarous behavior in Kosova will not go unnoticed by the American
public and the rest of the world.  It will have a cost for them in their
public image (something they are probably more sensitive to than the
immorality of what they are doing).

Letters should also be sent to newspapers to get published so that more
American can know what the French are really doing behind everyone's
back -- consorting and conniving with Serb war criminals to the
detriment of their NATO allies!

Letters written to congressmen/senators should stress the fact that the
French are undermining the American-brokered peace in Kosova and putting
American lives at risk.  Americans have to be convinced that what the
French are doing is hurting them as well as the Albanians.  Wouldn't it
be something if Congress could issue a declaration criticising the
French for disloyalty to NATO and endangering the lives of fellow
peacekeepers?! Letters of protest should also go to the State
Department.    

One small correction to what Mr. Grajqevci wrote:  France is a member of
NATO -- although a not too faithful one.  He is right in saying that
France's shameful actions in Kosova are more dictated by
anti-Americanism than pro-Serb sentiments.  The French can't stand to be
a second-rate power and are intent on undermining American influence in
the Balkans.  They want to be top dog there!  Yes, that is why they
(along with other Europeans) are trying to get their own European
defence agency to take over the running of KFOR in the very near future.

I do not think, as Andrew Eiva wrote, that the French are doing
Clinton's bidding.  As mentioned above, the French are acting mainly out
of anti-Americanism.  It could well be, however, that the French were
given the northern zone of Kosova to police in return for their agreeing
to participate in KFOR.  This was, of course, very short-sighted on the
part of the State Department.

Finally, the worst thing is to not do anything.  Yes, the French
Government may ignore any actions we might take, but their evil deeds in
Kosova should not be allowed to continue unnoticed by world opinion. 
They need to be held accountable and forced to try to explain their
unacceptable behavior.  By doing nothing we are insuring the partioning
of Kosova.  If we don't do something, no one will!

-Thomas Coonan      

P.S. Why not do one thing every day to help Kosova?





From ssander at ans.net  Fri Feb 11 12:39:11 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Fri Feb 11 12:39:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111229170.1289-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002111236090.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Etrit, 

as good as this may sound, we can read that the British are there to aid
the French - thus recieve commands from the French commanders.  Currently
they are only guarding the Bridge, something which would not do any good
at this point, since the crime is happenning on the northern side of this
bridge.  I would hope these same troops would move north and patrole the
whole city of Mitrovica as well!

thanx

- Sander 


On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> British Troops Replace French in Riot-Torn Kosovo Town
> 
> By CARLOTTA GALL
> 
> PRISTINA, Kosovo, Feb. 10 -- British peacekeeping forces took
> over guard duties on a bridge in the ethnically divided town of
> Mitrovica in northern Kosovo today, replacing French troops that had been
> accused of failing to protect ethnic Albanians and Serbs. 
> 
> Read the full story at:
> http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/021100kosovo-guard.html
> 
> ------------
> Thomas Coonan wrote:
> 
> Perhaps I am just naive, but I think that if enough people protest to
> the French Embassy (by email, phone calls, letters or -- why not -- with
> a demonstration in front of their building), they may realize that their
> barbarous behavior in Kosova will not go unnoticed by the American
> public and the rest of the world.  It will have a cost for them in their
> public image (something they are probably more sensitive to than the
> immorality of what they are doing).
> 
> Letters should also be sent to newspapers to get published so that more
> American can know what the French are really doing behind everyone's
> back -- consorting and conniving with Serb war criminals to the
> detriment of their NATO allies!
> 
> Letters written to congressmen/senators should stress the fact that the
> French are undermining the American-brokered peace in Kosova and putting
> American lives at risk.  Americans have to be convinced that what the
> French are doing is hurting them as well as the Albanians.  Wouldn't it
> be something if Congress could issue a declaration criticising the
> French for disloyalty to NATO and endangering the lives of fellow
> peacekeepers?! Letters of protest should also go to the State
> Department.    
> 
> One small correction to what Mr. Grajqevci wrote:  France is a member of
> NATO -- although a not too faithful one.  He is right in saying that
> France's shameful actions in Kosova are more dictated by
> anti-Americanism than pro-Serb sentiments.  The French can't stand to be
> a second-rate power and are intent on undermining American influence in
> the Balkans.  They want to be top dog there!  Yes, that is why they
> (along with other Europeans) are trying to get their own European
> defence agency to take over the running of KFOR in the very near future.
> 
> I do not think, as Andrew Eiva wrote, that the French are doing
> Clinton's bidding.  As mentioned above, the French are acting mainly out
> of anti-Americanism.  It could well be, however, that the French were
> given the northern zone of Kosova to police in return for their agreeing
> to participate in KFOR.  This was, of course, very short-sighted on the
> part of the State Department.
> 
> Finally, the worst thing is to not do anything.  Yes, the French
> Government may ignore any actions we might take, but their evil deeds in
> Kosova should not be allowed to continue unnoticed by world opinion. 
> They need to be held accountable and forced to try to explain their
> unacceptable behavior.  By doing nothing we are insuring the partioning
> of Kosova.  If we don't do something, no one will!
> 
> -Thomas Coonan      
> 
> P.S. Why not do one thing every day to help Kosova?
> 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 11 12:45:51 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 11 12:45:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6A71@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Just to prove Sander's point, there is a News in Kosovapress but, sorry I've
got no time to translate it. 
Arianiti
Francez?t nuk lejojn? patrullimin e anglez?ve n? Veri
Mitrovic?, 11 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Lajmin p?r ardhjen e ushtar?ve t?
KFOR-it britanik n? Mitrovic?, popullata shqiptare e k?tij qyteti e priti me
g?zim dhe me shpres? se t'u dalin n? mbrojtje banor?ve shqiptar?, t? cil?t
gjenden matan? ur?s dhe q? po terrorizohen nga bandat serbe. Por, deri m?
tani, KFOR-i britanik ?sht? vendosur n? ur? dhe po patrullon n? an?n jugore
t? qytetit. Nj? ushtarak i lart? britanik, i tha Kosovapress-it se u kemi
ardhur n? ndihm? ushtar?ve francez?. Misioni yn? ?sht? n? Prishtin e jo
k?tu.N? pyetjen ton? se kush e komandon dhe p?rse nuk patrulloni n? pjes?n
veriore, ushtaraku britanik deklaroi se komand?n e marrim nga oficer?t
francez?. Ai tha se francez?t nuk na kan? dh?n? leje t? patrullojm? n? veri
t? qytetit. Oficeri britanik tregoi p?r rastin, kur disa serb? sulmuan dy
femra shqiptare, t? cilat k?rkuan ndihm? nga ne, por francez?t nuk na lejuan
t'i ndihmojm?, na tha me nj? buzeqeshje ushtaraku britanik. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Sander Sinishtaj [SMTP:ssander at ans.net]
> Sent:	Friday, February 11, 2000 5:39 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	Re: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
> 
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Etrit, 
> 
> as good as this may sound, we can read that the British are there to aid
> the French - thus recieve commands from the French commanders.  Currently
> they are only guarding the Bridge, something which would not do any good
> at this point, since the crime is happenning on the northern side of this
> bridge.  I would hope these same troops would move north and patrole the
> whole city of Mitrovica as well!
> 
> thanx
> 
> - Sander 
> 
> 
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Feb 11 13:33:46 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri Feb 11 13:33:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002111236090.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111320260.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Etrit, 
> 
> as good as this may sound, we can read that the British are there to aid
> the French - thus recieve commands from the French commanders.  Currently
> they are only guarding the Bridge, something which would not do any good
> at this point, since the crime is happenning on the northern side of this
> bridge.  I would hope these same troops would move north and patrole the
> whole city of Mitrovica as well!

Yep, I guess you're right.  According to Kosovapress, the French troops do
not let the British patrol the north side.  But I think they will have to
allow them soon.  And that NY Times title surely hurts their pri de a bit.

Here's another interesting article:

Dane Wins World Press Photo Award

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) -- A piercing black-and-white image
of a wounded Kosovar Albanian refugee by Danish photographer
Claus Bjorn Larsen won the World Press photo of the Year award today. 

Larsen's picture was taken on the streets of Kukes, Albania, on
April 5, 1999, as masses of ethnic Albanians were fleeing the Yugoslav army
crackdown in Kosovo during a NATO bombing campaign. 
 
Read the full story at:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/i/AP-World-Press-Photo.html
> 
> thanx
> 
> - Sander 




From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Feb 11 13:41:35 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri Feb 11 13:41:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Photo Reporters
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111336550.7521-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111339180.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:

> What is so interesting about people getting rich while taking pictures of
> suffering/dying people?
> 
> Dardan

If it isn't for these people, the world would not know what is going on
and come to the rescue.  As bad as it sounds, someone has to report what
goes on so the world knows.

Etrit.




From ssander at ans.net  Fri Feb 11 13:52:28 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Fri Feb 11 13:52:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Photo Reporters
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002111339180.1289-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002111349420.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

I would agree with Etrit on this one...I would actually salute the
photographers for the bravery and the contribution they provided for the
the suffering ALbanians.  I am glad there is a way to honor them on the
work they did.

thanx

- Sander 


On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> 
> > What is so interesting about people getting rich while taking pictures of
> > suffering/dying people?
> > 
> > Dardan
> 
> If it isn't for these people, the world would not know what is going on
> and come to the rescue.  As bad as it sounds, someone has to report what
> goes on so the world knows.
> 
> Etrit.
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From efoley at mathlab.sunysb.edu  Fri Feb 11 22:30:24 2000
From: efoley at mathlab.sunysb.edu (Edmund Foley)
Date: Fri Feb 11 22:30:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in Mitrovica
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002091914350.1289-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.1000211222530.3743A-100000@mathlab.sunysb.edu>

I just read of the deployment of the British contingent of the Irish
Guards bridgade to Mitrovica in NYT.  I think that they will probabally be
more effective than the present French troops.  Certainly they have a
reputation for being heavy handed but they shoule be more impartial than
the French who seem to have adapted a "siege" mentality which makes them
ineffective.  Should be intersting though to see the results.
      Regards.
                E.F.  






>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> This article clearly proves that the French troops are not doing their job
> in Mitrovica (either because they are not that brave or because of their
> kinship to Serbs.  
> 
> If this is the case, they shouldn't be stationed in Mitrovica.  We should
> all petition the proper authorities for them to be removed from
> Mitrovica.  Enough is enough.
> 
> Etrit.
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/world/europe/A29056-2000Feb9.html
> > 
> > tung
> > 
> > - Sander 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _____________________________________________________
> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> > 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 





From BadCop526 at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 23:17:29 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 11 23:17:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <17.1ace1d2.25d638a8@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/11/00 9:32:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
etrit at alb-net.com writes:

> http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/europe/021100kosovo-guard.html
>  
Thanks for sharing your news with me.....i am applying for a position as a 
Police Officer in Kosovo.....hoping it is approved.....Dennis



From kayeking at dialin.net  Sat Feb 12 06:23:57 2000
From: kayeking at dialin.net (Kaye King)
Date: Sat Feb 12 06:23:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_RE:_=5BPrishtina-l=5DRe:_=5BPrishtin?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?a-l=5D_U_testuan_telefonat_mobil=EB?=
Message-ID: <01bf754d$09e509c0$c08f5dc2@kayeking>


-----Original Message-----
    From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com <besnik.grajqevci at bt.com>
    To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
    Date: 11 February 2000 14:50
    Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: [Prishtina-l]Re: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?
     
     
     
     
     
    Hi Besnik
     
    Many thanks for the translation!
     
    Kaye :~)))))))))
    Kaye,
     
    The message notifies that mobile telephony in Kosova has been implemented in restricted area and that sim and scratch cards are being prepared to go on sale.
     
    The comment on this is a light-hearted pointing out the translation of "scratch cards". The translator has used the same word that in Albanian is used for sandpaper, hence the joke.
     
    Hope this helps
     
    Besnik Grajqevci
    
    [Besnik] 
     -----Original Message-----
    From: Kaye King [mailto:kayeking at dialin.net]
    Sent: 11 February 2000 14:15
    To: prishtina-l
    Subject: [Prishtina-l]Re: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?
    
    
    
        -----Original Message-----
            From: Arianit Celaj <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
            To: Albanian_Uk (E-mail) <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; 'prishtina-l at alb-net.com' <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>; Info-Tech (E-mail) <info-tech at alb-net.com>
            Date: 10 February 2000 16:49
            Subject: [Prishtina-l] U testuan telefonat mobil?
            
            
            "U testuan telefonat mobil? 
            
              
            
            Prishtin?, 10 shkurt (QIK) - Pajimet e telefonis? mobile u montuan n? nj? zon? t? kufizuar p?r ta testuar rrjetin. Kartelat
            
            "pre-paid" SIM dhe ato g?rvish?se jan? duke u p?rgatitur p?r tu shitur." 
            
            
            
            Aaaaa qeto "kartelat gervishese" jane shume t'rrezikshme, i kane kthetrat si t'kulshedrave t'egra. A mos jane te ngjajshme me ato qe i quajshim shqip "brus papir"-letra grithse, ne ore t'BAT-it
            
            
            
            
            Arianiti 
            
            
            Please can you translate this message into English for me?
            Many thanks! 
            
            Kaye
            kayeking at dialin.net
            
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 12 14:37:12 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Sat Feb 12 14:37:12 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Photo Reporters
In-Reply-To: <ad.c74987.25d5c1fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a02b4cb66db9b45@[165.247.42.206]>

I agree with Simon and the rest. I doubt that money is the only thing
motivating photographers to go into dangerous or unpleasant situations to
take pictures.

But at the same time, the irony that Dardan mentioned is there: the media
commodifies human suffering and makes a profit out of it.

-Besnik

At 2:50 PM -0500 2/11/00, SimonVukel at AOL.COM wrote:
>yes i agree with etrit.... Dardan, remember, as they say, at times, a pen is
>mightier than the sword.. and the same can go for a picture.  That
>photographer put himself at great risk to take those pictures.  The money
>alone wasnt worth it --- I really doubt that photographer went to the Balkans
>because he thought he had a chance to win a relatively modest award of $6800.
> The photo images that came out of the conflict did more to aid our cause and
>influence world opinion than any kalishnikov rifle could have done.
>
>Plus those pictures will forever remain as a reminder to future generations
>of what really happened in this conflict.






From besnik at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 12 15:02:51 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Sat Feb 12 15:02:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] NBA interested in Albanian
Message-ID: <v04003a05b4cb6d251583@[165.247.42.206]>

Ermal Kuqo may become the first Albanian to enter the NBA:

http://jucojunction.rivals.com/default.asp?sid=400&p=2&StId=129286





From besnik at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 12 18:08:47 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Sat Feb 12 18:08:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] mistake, sorry
In-Reply-To: <v04003a05b4cb6d251583@[165.247.42.206]>
Message-ID: <v04003a04b4cb9735f747@[165.247.42.206]>

I have to thank a listmember for pointing out that the subject line for the
Ermal Kuqo article that I referred to on the list was incorrect. It is
major college teams who are after Ermal and not the NBA. I apologize for
the mistake.

Either way, this is a great achievement for Ermal, and I hope that a few
years from now I will send a similar message with that same subject line
referring to him.

-Besnik






From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 12 23:58:44 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Feb 12 23:58:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] mistake, sorry
In-Reply-To: <v04003a04b4cb9735f747@[165.247.42.206]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002122358150.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

Besnik, where do you find these articles?  just out of curiosity... ;-)

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000, Besnik Pula wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I have to thank a listmember for pointing out that the subject line for the
> Ermal Kuqo article that I referred to on the list was incorrect. It is
> major college teams who are after Ermal and not the NBA. I apologize for
> the mistake.
> 
> Either way, this is a great achievement for Ermal, and I hope that a few
> years from now I will send a similar message with that same subject line
> referring to him.
> 
> -Besnik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 12 23:59:56 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Feb 12 23:59:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <17.1ace1d2.25d638a8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002122358540.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 BadCop526 at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for sharing your news with me.....i am applying for a position as a 
> Police Officer in Kosovo.....hoping it is approved.....Dennis

hmm, are you a bad cop, as your e-mail address implies?  cuz we don't need
any more bad cops there, we have the french there...  j/k

etrit.




From BadCop526 at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 00:51:36 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 00:51:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] mistake, sorry
Message-ID: <a1.1b4e89c.25d7a047@aol.com>

Hi..could someone write and tell me what i can expect when i come to 
Kosovo?....is there water/power ?...what is the weather like?.is spring the 
same as here in the states?...May/June?

Thanks for your help...Dennis



From BadCop526 at aol.com  Sun Feb 13 00:54:47 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 13 00:54:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <7d.1153026.25d7a103@aol.com>

No..not a bad cop......i am looking forward to the opportunity to help 
out......i have spent alot of time working with kids....have been a 
fireman..medic...i play guitar and sing.....i am a bicycle officer.....i do 
distance cycling...i like Country music/Dancing..

Dennis



From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Mon Feb 14 04:21:00 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 04:21:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FRance is a NATO member
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4C5@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

I would like to apologise if I have caused any confusion with my previous
(see below) email, where I state that France is not NATO member. I do not
know why I was under this impression and I can not explain why I did not
check prior to sending my email. It is as simple as accessing NATO web site.
I would also like to thank list members for pointing out this mistake.

Besnik Grajqevci

-----Original Message-----
From: Grajqevci,B,Besnik,NZD3 R 
Sent: 11 February 2000 09:44
To: 'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'
Cc: Albanian List
Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in
Kosova


In my view French are acting in the way they do in former Yugoslavia, not as
much for the sympathy they have for Serbs (I admit sympathy is part of it)
but more because of their determination to undermine American policy. Bear
in mind France is not a NATO member, and they are pushing hard to create an
equivalent armed force within Europe, that they could control. They are not
happy that America has dominant role in the world. I believe the unhappiness
stems not from the desire to do better job than Americans in these issues,
but much more to be in position to serve their interests.

I see that all participants in this discussion list are aware of they games
that are played. I just hope that we will use this awareness to pull
ourselves together and become players in this game (the only way to at least
have a chance of winning anything)  otherwise we risk being merely chips
that are passed around the table and won by whoever happen to have the best
hand at the time.

regards

Besnik Grajqevci

-----Original Message-----
From: Etrit Bardhi [mailto:etrit at alb-net.com]
Sent: 10 February 2000 23:24
To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Cc: Albanian List
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] French Troops Are not doing their job in
Mitrovica


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On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> 
> I fully agree with Etrit...just one more story that
> tells the 'braveness' of french
> 
> American Police Officer told Koha Ditore what happened
> to him the night when violence escalated in Mitrovica.
> He with some other officers went to rescue Albanian
> citizens on the Northern side of the bridge when
> violence broke out. They were escorted by few french
> soldiers. At one moment a group of Serbs ran towards
> police officers and hit this guy with baseball bat.
> Imagine what happened-french soldiers were frightened
> and escaped from the scene leaving american officer
> lying injured on the ground. Somebody then called
> Danish soldiers and after few moments officer was
> rescued.
> 
When we call the French Embassy, we should note that not only are the
French not able to protect the civilians in Mitrovica, but they also put
in danger lives of many American citizens who are serving as policemen in
Mitrovica.  Even though it seems that they don't care about Americans that
much as well...

Etrit.


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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 14 11:09:21 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Mon Feb 14 11:09:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000214160844.88611.qmail@hotmail.com>

Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen 
anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk 
anoj nga asnjera ane.


Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m

Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e 
saj, ku p?r t?
kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte 
botuar shkrime p?r
tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r 
"meritat" e saj, pa
vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq, gjat? 
dhjet? vjet?ve
t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot? 
propagandistik t?
politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta 
"Rilindja" ishte
vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka 
kultivuar
"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e 
dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s 
projugosllave t?
v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan? luftuar 
?do
tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?, 
"Rilindja" u
themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i 
th?n? opinionit
nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta "Rilindja" 
ishte
sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e 
profesional, nj?
servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t? vitit 
1968 dhe 1981
p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i Beogradit 
dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e 
shum? t? tjer?.
Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi 
Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e 
shum? t? tjer?
nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin 
me komente
nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e 
"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte 
gazeta "Rilindja",
kund?r Shqip?ris?.
Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes" 
arsyetonin nd?rrimet
kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974 dhe 
se
shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
censuroheshin.
"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin 
1990, kur ve? pat
filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave 
1990, t? cilat i
cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q? 
vrisnin shqiptar?t,
vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja", 
p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke 
qen?
z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par? 
tani e zinte
?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t? 
Ushtris? s?
lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar t'ia 
servirte
vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe 
zhvillonte fushat?
denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe 
komunikatat e
Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r 
zgjedhjet n? koh?
lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s? 
saj 55-vje?are.
Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala 
asnj? mysafiri. A
thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe 
vler?simeve
pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por para 
s? gjithash e
atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r? 
inteligjencia jon?, me
t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e 
tregoi veten para
dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e 
deridjesh?m t?
regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se 
"Rilindja"nuk
b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t? 
shtrenjt?, askush?"
Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe 
askush nuk
treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga 
gjith? nd?rmarrja e
zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja" 
nuk mund t?
q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e 
kulturor. Koh?ra
t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t? ri, 
me njer?z t?
rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo 
deri sot nuk ishte
"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj? 
shtyll? e regjimit
gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t? 
frym?s liridash?se".
Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t? 
b?het nj? krah i
fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 14 15:01:12 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:01:12 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000214174930.71478.qmail@hotmail.com>

Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!

Burimi


>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>To: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,  
>prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
>
>Albanian Community UK
>
>Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk
>anoj nga asnjera ane.
>
>
>Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
>
>Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e
>saj, ku p?r t?
>kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte
>botuar shkrime p?r
>tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r
>"meritat" e saj, pa
>vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq, 
>gjat?
>dhjet? vjet?ve
>t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot?
>propagandistik t?
>politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
>"Rilindja" ishte
>vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
>kultivuar
>"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
>dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
>Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s
>projugosllave t?
>v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan? luftuar
>?do
>tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
>Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?,
>"Rilindja" u
>themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
>th?n? opinionit
>nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta 
>"Rilindja"
>ishte
>sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e
>profesional, nj?
>servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t? vitit
>1968 dhe 1981
>p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
>"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i Beogradit
>dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
>tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
>shum? t? tjer?.
>Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi
>Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
>Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
>shum? t? tjer?
>nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin
>me komente
>nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e
>"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
>lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
>gazeta "Rilindja",
>kund?r Shqip?ris?.
>Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
>arsyetonin nd?rrimet
>kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974 
>dhe
>se
>shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
>censuroheshin.
>"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
>1990, kur ve? pat
>filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave
>1990, t? cilat i
>cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q?
>vrisnin shqiptar?t,
>vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
>Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja",
>p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
>politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke
>qen?
>z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par?
>tani e zinte
>?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t?
>Ushtris? s?
>lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar 
>t'ia
>servirte
>vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
>zhvillonte fushat?
>denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe
>komunikatat e
>Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r
>zgjedhjet n? koh?
>lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
>K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
>saj 55-vje?are.
>Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala
>asnj? mysafiri. A
>thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
>vler?simeve
>pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por 
>para
>s? gjithash e
>atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r?
>inteligjencia jon?, me
>t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e
>tregoi veten para
>dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
>K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
>deridjesh?m t?
>regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se
>"Rilindja"nuk
>b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
>shtrenjt?, askush?"
>Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
>askush nuk
>treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
>Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga
>gjith? nd?rmarrja e
>zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja"
>nuk mund t?
>q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e
>kulturor. Koh?ra
>t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
>P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t? 
>ri,
>me njer?z t?
>rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo
>deri sot nuk ishte
>"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj?
>shtyll? e regjimit
>gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t?
>frym?s liridash?se".
>Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t?
>b?het nj? krah i
>fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From shabanaj at bluewin.ch  Mon Feb 14 15:01:27 2000
From: shabanaj at bluewin.ch (shabanaj at bluewin.ch)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:01:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (Kein Betreff)
Message-ID: <38A8399C.37328E6D@bluewin.ch>

T? nderuar vllez?r dhe montra

Un? jam? student i ekonomis? n? Zvic?rr. A ka ndonj? mund?si me i
kontaktue student e ekonomin? n? Prishtin??

Ju falimendirit shum?.

Fatmiri




From dardan at prishtina.com  Mon Feb 14 15:01:34 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:01:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: kosovska
Message-ID: <200002132042.AA57213244@prishtina.com>

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
Me ja bo bajat pak itaqit...



From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:10:26 +0100

hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and Sinti/Roma it is time the world will see how you really are!!!
Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come there and kill a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!







From sami at prishtina.com  Mon Feb 14 15:01:39 2000
From: sami at prishtina.com (sami at prishtina.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:01:39 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
References: <7d.1153026.25d7a103@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003301c630b5$5ab011e0$fb00330a@koha>

OK Dennis, u have some skills but u will not have to deal with kids here
though... =)
I'v seen many policmens doing nothing here - jusgt looking after restorants
and other things, and also trying to stay alive, they r not runing after
crime at all, i see them everyday, exept some american and german
policemans....
Sami
----- Original Message -----
From: <BadCop526 at aol.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!


>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
> No..not a bad cop......i am looking forward to the opportunity to help
> out......i have spent alot of time working with kids....have been a
> fireman..medic...i play guitar and sing.....i am a bicycle officer.....i
do
> distance cycling...i like Country music/Dancing..
>
> Dennis
>
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Mon Feb 14 15:01:40 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:01:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <200002141114.AA77922908@prishtina.com>

Edhe pse nganjehere mundohem me i kuptu keta te Kosovapressit edhe i arsyetoj, shpesh po me detyrojne me mendu athu ne cilen planete kane jetu keta njerez 5 dekadat e fundit.



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST

>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen 
>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk 
>anoj nga asnjera ane.
>
>
>Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
>
>Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e 
>saj, ku p?r t?
>kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte 
>botuar shkrime p?r
>tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r 
>"meritat" e saj, pa
>vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq, gjat? 
>dhjet? vjet?ve
>t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot? 
>propagandistik t?
>politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta 
>"Rilindja" ishte
>vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka 
>kultivuar
>"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e 
>dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
>Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s 
>projugosllave t?
>v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan? luftuar 
>?do
>tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
>Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?, 
>"Rilindja" u
>themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i 
>th?n? opinionit
>nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta "Rilindja" 
>ishte
>sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e 
>profesional, nj?
>servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t? vitit 
>1968 dhe 1981
>p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
>"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i Beogradit 
>dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
>tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e 
>shum? t? tjer?.
>Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi 
>Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
>Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e 
>shum? t? tjer?
>nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin 
>me komente
>nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e 
>"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
>lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte 
>gazeta "Rilindja",
>kund?r Shqip?ris?.
>Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes" 
>arsyetonin nd?rrimet
>kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974 dhe 
>se
>shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
>censuroheshin.
>"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin 
>1990, kur ve? pat
>filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave 
>1990, t? cilat i
>cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q? 
>vrisnin shqiptar?t,
>vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
>Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja", 
>p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
>politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke 
>qen?
>z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par? 
>tani e zinte
>?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t? 
>Ushtris? s?
>lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar t'ia 
>servirte
>vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe 
>zhvillonte fushat?
>denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe 
>komunikatat e
>Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r 
>zgjedhjet n? koh?
>lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
>K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s? 
>saj 55-vje?are.
>Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala 
>asnj? mysafiri. A
>thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe 
>vler?simeve
>pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por para 
>s? gjithash e
>atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r? 
>inteligjencia jon?, me
>t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e 
>tregoi veten para
>dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
>K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e 
>deridjesh?m t?
>regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se 
>"Rilindja"nuk
>b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t? 
>shtrenjt?, askush
"
>Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe 
>askush nuk
>treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
>Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga 
>gjith? nd?rmarrja e
>zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja" 
>nuk mund t?
>q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e 
>kulturor. Koh?ra
>t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
>P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t? ri, 
>me njer?z t?
>rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo 
>deri sot nuk ishte
>"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj? 
>shtyll? e regjimit
>gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t? 
>frym?s liridash?se".
>Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t? 
>b?het nj? krah i
>fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From BadCop526 at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 15:07:13 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:07:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <10.b61593.25d9b9cd@aol.com>

I can see how you would be Skeptical.....it is a very large task.and i am but 
one man....hopefully something will occur to bring peace to the area.......i 
simply want to help with that goal.....

Dennis



From ssander at ans.net  Mon Feb 14 15:08:52 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:08:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: kosovska
In-Reply-To: <200002132042.AA57213244@prishtina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002141503590.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

wow..Frans, 

how embarrasing of you... I wonder if you also live in the MOntana woods
in on of the log cabins, as the unibomber did :)

You need help - hopefully you will quickly get some!


- Sander 


On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:

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> Me ja bo bajat pak itaqit...
> 
> 
> 
> From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:10:26 +0100
> 
> hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
> After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and Sinti/Roma it is time the world will see how you really are!!!
> Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come there and kill a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From BadCop526 at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 15:14:46 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:14:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: kosovska
Message-ID: <50.1962244.25d9bbea@aol.com>

It is not uncommon for people that have no resources to come up with 
ludicrous ideas such as this one to settle a conflict.

Dennis



From BadCop526 at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 15:16:10 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:16:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: kosovska
Message-ID: <43.fbe947.25d9bc1a@aol.com>

So, Sander.are you online now?



From BadCop526 at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 15:55:03 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 15:55:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
Message-ID: <8c.1038f2f.25d9c581@aol.com>

A friend suggested that this screen name..which means "Bad" in the sense that 
an officer is very good at his job and not one to be messed with on the 
street, is not appropriate for use on this site........so i will be switching 
to another screen name.......sorry if this offended any one......

Dennis



From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Mon Feb 14 17:14:34 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:14:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Hello
Message-ID: <d.175a113.25d9c72e@aol.com>

Hi.Dennis here...........how is this is a little more in keeping with what i 
want to accomplish....




From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb 14 17:47:02 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb 14 17:47:02 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 19
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002141744240.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:42:10 +0100
From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>


- N? nd?rtes?n e k?shillit ekszekutiv t? Kosov?s n? Prishtin? u prezentua
ekspozita personale me mbi 50 punime t? piktorit kosovar Sabedin Etemit.
Iniciator dhe organizator i k?saj ekspozite ishte Tom Koenig shefi p?r
?eshtje civile t? UNMIK-ut. Para vizitor?ve t? vendit dhe t? huaj deklaroj
Tom Koenig: "Secili prej nesh d?shiron t? merr? di?ka me shije kosovare dhe
t? d?rgon n? sht?pin e vet..." dhe vazhdon "...m? par? m? kan? th?n? se n?
Kosov? nuk ka asgj? t? bukur, por kjo ekspozit? v?rteton t? kund?rt?n".

- Me 5. Shkurt 2000 n? shkoll?n e mesme t? muzik?s "Lorenc Antoni" n?
Prizren n? pranin e arsimtar?ve t? shkoll?s dhe dashamir?ve t? muzik?s u
mbajt koncerti i muzik?s serioze. Koncertin e organizuan arsimtar?t e k?saj
shkolle me student?t e rinj t? akademis? muzikore nga Prishtina. N?
p?rcjellje n? piano nga Lek Salihu dhe Yllka Istrefi student?t nga Prishtina
ekzekutuan veprat e njohura t? komponist?ve bot?ror.

- Teatri i kukullave "Dodona" nga Prishtina shfaqi gjat? jav?s s? kaluar dy
shfaqje. "Mbreti Ibish" sipas Nehat Qen?s n? regji t? Faruk Begollit, sken?n
dhe kostumet i b?ri Alisa Maliqi, nd?rsa rrolet i luajt?n Adhurim Demi,
Donat Qosja, Flutura Zeneli, Fatime Bunjaku, Artan Geca, Astrit Kabashi.
Nd?rsa me 5. Shkurt 2000 u shfaq "Princesha Zobeide" sipas shkrimtarit ?ek
Karel Capek-ut n? regjin? e Melihate Qen?s. Rrolet i luajt?n Valdet Rama,
Faik Gashi, Avni Hoti, Avdi Azemi, Xhejlane Godanci, Shukrie Hyseni dhe t?
tjer?t.

- Me 8. Shkurt 2000 n? kish?n e Sh?n Ndout n? Prishtin? kori i qytetit t?
Shkodr?s mbajti nj? mbr?mje muzikore. Kori i p?rb?r? nga 20 korist? n?n
dirigjimin e Zef ?ob?s p?r t? pranishmit k?nduan k?ng? sakrale t?
kompozitor?ve bot?ror: Mozart, Bach, Chopin dhe t? tjer?t. Ve?mas u dallua
solistja Aida Shala e cila me interpretimin e k?ng?s "Ave Maria" n? solo
krijoi nj? atmosfer? t? k?ndshme. Gjat? dit?ve t? ardhshme kori nga Shkodra
do t? jet? mysafire n? qytetet tjera t? Kosov?s.

- N? baz? t? konkursit tradicional t? gazet?s "Rilindja" nga Prishtina t?
shpallur n? Dhjetor 1999 p?r nder? t? 12 Shkurtit 2000, dit?s s? fillimit t?
pun?s dhe botimit t? gazet?s s? p?rditshme kosovare "Rilindja", e arrit?n
redaksionin m?se 145 dor?shkrime. Nga dor?shkrimet e arritura 52 prej tyre
jan? tregime p?r t? rritur, nd?rsa 93 jan? tregime p?r f?mij?. Si? njoftuam
m? par? dy tregime m? t? mira do t? shp?rblehen nga gazeta "Rilindja" dhe n?
numrin solemn t? 12. Shkurtit 2000 t? gazet?s do t? botohen n? disa numra
vijues.

- Me 7. Dhjetor 2000 n? teatrin "Dodona" n? Prishtin? u formua shoqata e
artist?ve t? filmit kosovar. Punonj?sit e artit filmik me k?t? rast miratuan
statutin e shoqat?s dhe zgjodh?n organet udh?heq?se. P?r kryetar u zgjodh
regjisori Isa Qosja, nd?rsa n? kryesi u zgjodh?n 7 an?tar? dhe n? k?shillin
mbik?qyr?s 3 an?tar?. N? statutin e shoqates theksohet se q?llimi i shoqat?s
?sht? bashk?punimi me shoqata t? ngjajshme komb?tare dhe nd?rkomb?tare,
organizimi i seminar?ve filmike, festivaleve, tribuna dhe manifestime tjera
kinomatografike.

- N? festivalin nd?rkomb?tar t? teatrit n? Bonn t? Gjermanis? ?sht? ftuar t?
marr? pjes? dramaturgu yn? i njohur Teki D?rvishi me dram?n "Eshtrat q?
vijn? von?" n? regji t? Vladimir Milqinit, n? rrole t? aktor?ve t? dram?s
shqiptare t? teatrit t? Shkupit: Refet Abazi, Bajrush Mjaku, Mehdi Alidemi,
Teut? Ajdini, Flor? Kadriu dhe t? tjer?t. Teki D?rvishi ?sht? ftuar t? marr?
pjes? me ftes?n personale t? drejtorit t? festivalit Tankrest Dorst, i cili
e kishte shiquar vepr?n artistike m? par? n? festivalin nd?rkomb?tar t?
Letonis? dhe ishte fascinuar me t?. Kjo ftes? e rradhit Teki D?rvishin n?
mesin e dramaturg?ve m? t? m?dhenj bot?ror dhe ?sht? nj? mir?njohje p?r
krijuesin ton? t? njohur. Festivali do t? mbahet prej 20. Qershor 2000 deri
me 10. Korrik 2000 n? Bonn.

P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina

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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Mon Feb 14 22:37:39 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Mon Feb 14 22:37:39 2000
Subject: Fw: [Prishtina-l] FWD: kosovska
Message-ID: <002801bf7770$4832e240$70aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

a-haaa. . . .

you are from the netherlands; do you remember when you dutch folks disarmed
the bosnians in Srebrenica and then serbs came and slaughetered them? some
people say that the dutch were just cowards, but this is arguable;

by the way, the vehicles that serbs captured from dutch soldiers in
srebrenica have seen service in Kosova with the serb paramilitaries; you
have thus contributed in killing some innocent albanians, and you should
therefore be proud of yourself;

do you think you are a christian? then you should be ashamed of what you
wrote earlier;

for your information, below is a summary of european press articles from a
century ago; serbs were killing albanians at that time too, but there was no
CNN to broadcast it;

". . .
On March 20 [1913], the Reichspost published a letter from Albania
containing the following information:

Serbian soldiers have robbed Don Tommaso, the parish priest in charge of the
sanctuary of Cernagora (or Setnica), of all the money that belonged to the
church. Holding bayonets in their hands, they forced Father Tommaso to open
the cash box. They took from it the money, which represented all the savings
of this place of pilgrimage.

The priest of Djakova, while threatened to be killed, was told: "Either you
renounce the Austrian protectorate or else we blow your brains out." But the
priest was not intimidated. His courageous attitude defied the Serbs who
gave up their threats.

In the past three months, the Serbs have denied the priest of Ferizovic the
freedom to attend to his ministry. Whoever speaks with the priest or goes to
mass or confession is imprisoned. The Serbs tried to do the same thing to
two priests in Prizren.

All kinds of pressures are brought on the Catholics of Janjevo (400
families, almost all of Slavic origin) for the purpose of forcing them to
give up their religion and accept the conversion to the schismatic church.

In this archdiocese have been living for several centuries 8 000 Catholics,
so-called Laramans (secret ones) who, on account of Turkish persecutions,
could not profess their faith openly. When the Serbs arrived, several
hundreds of these Laramans wanted to be recognized openly as Catholics. But
when representatives of the new government found out about it, the decision
was proclaimed: "Either Moslem or Orthodox, but not Catholic."

Near the sanctuary of Letnica is located the village of Shashara (ninety
families, all of them Catholics). Serbian soldiers marched in, assembled all
of the men on the fields and bound them with ropes.

Thereupon, they started to plunder the houses and to rape the women and the
girls in abominable ways.

The murders perpetrated against Catholic Albanians are numerous. In Noshez,
for example, thirty men, who were spending their time peacefully in the
village, were killed in a single day. They called themselves Catholic
Albanians; this was their only crime. Near Zhuri, whole families of
Malissors, who had come to Prizren to buy salt, oil, sugar, etc., were for
no reason at all treacherously murdered on their way.

This was also the fate of seventy other Catholics from the parish of Nikai
who were slain not far from Djakova.

The Catholics are persecuted, whereas no harm is done to the native Orthodox
population.

In the surroundings of Dibra and Monastir, as also in Kosovo, numerous
villages have lately been completely destroyed. The robberies are
indescribable. Suffice it to mention the fact that sheep now are sold at two
francs apiece because the sheep that the Serbs and the Montenegrins have
taken away from the Albanians are so numerous that one does not know what to
do with them.

They also want to prevent us from speaking Albanian. Some schools where
Albanian was taught have already been closed down. The letter ends with the
words: "May God have mercy on us and may Europe come to our aid. Otherwise
we shall perish!"
. . . ."

". . .
On the east bank of the Adriatic, hardly a three- day journey from Vienna,
live the Albanians, an autochthonal people who for centuries have been
fighting for freedom and independence against enemies and oppressors of all
kinds. They have preserved their originality despite numerous wars and
historical upheavals. Neither the great migrations, nor the battles against
Serbs, Turks and other invaders and oppressors have succeeded in preventing
the Albanians from maintaining pure and unadulterated their distinctive
traits with respect to race, language, ways and customs.

The history of this nation is an uninterrupted succession of the most
murderous battles against cruel oppressors. But not even the bloodiest
horrors have managed to exterminate this strong race. Also, the intellectual
life of the Albanians has been remarkable despite the fact that the
oppressors have nipped in the bud every possibility of cultural progress.
This nation has given to the Turkish Empire its most outstanding generals
and statesmen. The best judges in the Ottoman Empire are of Albanian origin.
The most remarkable works in Turkish literature are written by Albanians.

Nearly all merchants in Montenegro were originally from this nation. The
same may be said regarding merchants in many Romanian cities. In Italy, too,
the Albanians have played an important role in various domains (Crispi,' for
one, is of Albanian origin) and in Greece, the most courageous soldiers were
of Albanian descent.

Following the massive upheavals produced by the Balkan War, this nation's
age-old dream of freedom and independence was at last going to become a
reality.

The European Superpowers decided to grant state autonomy to Albania.

However, the Serbs, prompted by their greed for conquest, devised a means of
destroying the beautiful dream of a brave and freedom-loving nation shortly
before it came true. Serbian troops invaded Albania with murderous assaults
and arson. "Since we are not allowed to have Albania itself," so the Serbs
thought, "there is only one solution left: the extermination of the
Albanians."

October 18, 1912, King Peter of Serbia issued his manifesto, "To the Serbian
People," in which he stated, among others, the following:

The Turkish governments have shown a lack of understanding as regards
responsibilities towards their citizens, and they have turned a deaf ear to
all grievances and protests. The situation has eventually become such that
in European Turkey nobody is satisfied any more. The Serbs, the Greeks and
also the Albanians consider it intolerable.

As a result, I have ordered my brave army, in God's name, to wage a holy
war, in order to free our brethren and to secure for them a better life.

My army will meet in Old Serbia with both Christian and Moslem Serbs, who
arejust as dear to us, but also with Christian and Moslem Albanians with
whom our nation has shared for thirteen centuries, uninterruptedly, both
joys and sorrows. We shall bring freedom, brotherhood and equality to all of
them.

A half year has hardly gone by since the proclamation of this solemn
manifesto. How did the Serbs fulfill the promise of their king?

The answer is: people were murdered in thousands; men, women, children; the
elderly tortured to death; villages burned down or looted; women and young
girls raped and a whole land, devastated and ransacked, has been immersed in
blood.

The Serbs did not come to Albania as liberators of the Albanian people, but
as their murderers. At the Ambassadors' Conference in London, it was
proposed that Albania's borders should be defined on the basis of statistics
pertaining to nationality and creed which were to be validated on the spot
by a commission. The Serbs hastened to prepare these statistics with
machine-guns, firearms and bayonets. They perpetrated atrocities impossible
to describe. The feeling of indignation and horror aroused by these crimes
is surpassed only by the dreadful uneasiness that one is bound to experience
when considering that such frightful horrors may be committed in the
twentieth century in the very heart of Europe not far away from important
cultural centers. This feeling becomes the more disturbing because nothing
has been done to put an end to the unspeakable massacres despite the fact
that for months now reporters of all nationalities have been writing about
these horrid deeds and notwithstanding the furious accusations that Pierre
Loti2 hurled so vehemently at the world. A brave and remarkable people is
being tortured on the cross before the eyes of the entire world, and Europe,
Christian Europe, civilized Europe, is not uttering a word about it.

Tens of thousands of defenseless people have been butchered, women have been
raped, elderly people and children strangled; hundreds of villages burned
down, priests slaughtered.

Yet Europe is remaining silent!

Serbia and Montenegro have set out to conquer a foreign land. But that land
is inhabited by a freedom-loving and brave people who, despite centuries of
bondage has never gotten used to tolerating a foreign yoke. On account of
this fact, the solution was: the Albanians must be exterminated.

A brutal, dehumanized army showed by means of dreadful procedures how this
decision could be put into practice.

Innumerable villages were razed to the ground and countless people
slaughtered in bestially cruel ways.

Where once stood modest homes that generations of poor Albanians had built
diligently, there now lie heaps of smoking ruins. A whole nation is bleeding
on the cross -- and Europe does not say a word!

*****

The purpose of this publication is to arouse the awareness of the European
public. The collected reports included in it constitute merely a fraction of
the material that is available. Besides, their content is well known to the
European governments through official consular accounts and abundant reports
that have appeared in the press.

So far, these governments have remained silent.

But now any prolonged silence will imply complicity. The Great Powers must
turn to the raging barbarians with an unconditional "Hands Off!" In Albania,
the cruel expedition of genocide must be halted and an international
investigation commission set up to inquire about the dreadful changes
brought against the Serbian government.

Above all, the Serbo-Montenegrin troops must leave without delay the
Albanian territory they have invaded and the Greek blockade which is cutting
off Albania from every food supply, must also be lifted.

I appeal to the governments of the Great Powers; I appeal to the European
public in the name of humanity, in the name of civilization, in the name of
the distressed Albanian people.

I turn to the public of England, to the nation who at the time of the
Armenian massacres raised so courageously her voice in defense of the
oppressed.

I address my appeal to the French, to the nation that has so often proved
that she stands for humanity and human rights.

A wretched nation enduring a dreadful fate is calling for help from her
Golgotha.

Will Europe hear her call?

Vienna, Easter Sunday, 1913

Leo Freundlich

The Albanians Must Be Exterminated

In regard to the news report that 300 Albanians from Ljuma, who carried no
arms, were shot in Prizrend without legal proceedings, the Frankfurter
Zeitung wrote this: "It seems that in this particular case, the Serbian
troops are to be blamed for the carnage. However, there is not the slightest
doubt that on other occasions, when very bloody massacres were committed by
irregular, auxiliary troops, these acted under the orders of Serbian
authorities who fully approved them.

At the beginning of the war, we ourselves were often openly told by Serbian
officials: "We shall exterminate the Albanians." Since this policy of
genocide has been continuing unabated despite European protests, we consider
it as our duty to expose bluntly the intentions of the authorities in
Belgrade. These will angrily deny their declarations, aware as they are that
journalistic ethics, do not allow us to mention names. However, it is not
difficult to understand that we would not release such information if we
were not absolutely sure about it. After all, the facts exposed here are
much more eloquent than the most sincere confessions. Since last fall when
Serbian troops crossed the border and occupied land inhabited by Albanians,
one bloodbath after another has been committed.

A Genocide War

In an article published in the Kreuzzeitung, Professor Schiemann wrote this:
Personal letters have been coming here from war headquarters, despite the
tough censorship in the allied Balkan states as well as the pressure put on
war correspondents. They describe the deportment of the Serbs and Greeks in
the war. The picture that gradually emerges from these letters is unusually
afflicting. The Serbs, Professor Schiemann declares in his article, are
waging a war of genocide against the Albanians. They would like to
exterminate this nation root and branch.

The Daily Chronicle reported on November 12, 1912, that the slaughter by the
Serbs of thousands of Albanians was an undeniable fact. Near ?sk?b, 2 000
Moslem Albanians and, not far from Prizren, 5 000 of them were butchered.
Many villages have been set on fire and their inhabitants massacred. When
homes were searched for weapons, the Albanians were simply killed even when
no weapons were found. The Serbs made it clear that Moslem Albanians had to
be eradicated. They contended that this would be the most effective way of
appeasing the country.

*****

The war correspondent of Pome's Messaggero gives an account of the frightful
massacres perpetrated by the Serbs against the Albanians in the vilayet of
Kosovo. As a result of the resistance opposed by the Albanians, such towns
as Ferisovic, Lipian, Babus and others were completely destroyed and most of
their inhabitants killed. A high ranking Catholic priest made it known that
fighting in the surroundings of Ferizovic raged for three days. After the
conquest of the town, the Serbian commander is said to have summoned the
fugitives to return quietly and to hand in the weapons.

When this was done, three or four hundred people were slain. In all of
Ferizovic, only half a dozen Moslem families remained alive. Poor Serbian
families quickly settled in the homes of the well-to-do fugitives.

*****

The Paris newspaper Humanit? published an official account which had been
communicated to a consulate in Salonica. This communication tells about the
way the Serbs acted in Albania; about their lootings, destructions and
massacres. The number of Albanian villages completely or partially destroyed
by the Serbs in a systematic way, amounts to thirty-one. The gangs, led by
Kristo from Kumanovo, Ssiro Dilow from ?sk?b, Alexandrowos from Ishtip and
others, plundered all of the villages in the districts of Kratovo and
Kotchana, set them on fire and slaughtered the entire Moslem population. In
Shuyovo and Mesheli, all of the Moslems were slain; two hundred others were
killed in Vetreni.
. . . ."




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-----Original Message-----
>From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 23:10:26 +0100
>
>hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
>After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and Sinti/Roma
it is time the world will see how you really are!!!
>Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come there and
kill a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
>
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb 14 22:42:11 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb 14 22:42:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002142239590.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

no comment.

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:32:46 -0000
From: tom.spasojevic <tom.spasojevic at tesco.net>
To: support at alb-net.com

Alah is a lump of SHIT.
Please locate the Murdering Albanian Bastards who killed  and Raped the good kind Serb people who let them live on their land. Kill all the bad scum Albanians in Yugoslavia and long may they burn in HELL.
All peaceful people HATE you, why don't you go back to your own crappy land?




From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Mon Feb 14 23:44:14 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Mon Feb 14 23:44:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ...
In-Reply-To: Etrit Bardhi <etrit@alb-net.com>'s message of Mon, 14 Feb 2000
	22:41:03 -0500 (EST)
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Why are we distributing this message?

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb 14 23:53:51 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb 14 23:53:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ...
In-Reply-To: <7571-38A8D96D-9643@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002142352420.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

so that someone who has some free time could teach him some decency...

but you're right though, we shouldn't distribute slurs in this list. i
won't send them anymore...

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 LINESMAN at webtv.net wrote:

> Why are we distributing this message?
> 
> 




From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb 15 00:44:30 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb 15 00:44:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] France Behind Srebrenica Massacre, Says Yugoslav Minister
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002150043330.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

France Behind Srebrenica Massacre, Says Yugoslav Minister

BELGRADE, Feb 12, 2000 -- (Reuters) A Yugoslav official accused France on
Friday of masterminding a notorious massacre of Moslems in Bosnia in 1995
to pave the way for NATO-led peacekeepers to enter the former Yugoslav
republic.

Yugoslav Information Minister Goran Matic told a news conference that
French intelligence was behind the massacre of Moslem men in the eastern
Bosnian town of Srebrenica, seen as the worst atrocity in Europe since
World War Two.

"We can openly say that the authors of the idea were French-Moslem circles
and their secret ties and that the complete event was initiated by the
French Secret Service," said Matic, a senior official in Yugoslavia's
leftist-nationalist government.

His version of events contrasted sharply with the widely held assessment
abroad that Bosnian Serb leaders perpetrated the Srebrenica
slaughter. Bosnian Serb forces overran the town in July 1995 and a
massacre of up to 8,000 Moslem men followed.

The UN war crimes tribunal in 1995 indicted wartime Bosnian Serb leader
Radovan Karadzic and his military commander Ratko Mladic for genocide over
the massacre. Both men remain at at large.

Matic alleged that the French had worked together with "their Moslem
counterparts" and that a part of the Bosnian Serb Army, the 10th
anti-terrorist brigade, was also involved.

"The whole operation was planned and organized in the triangle of French
secret service plus General (Philippe) Morillon, Alija Delimustafic
(ex-Bosnian police chief) and Naser Oric (Moslem commander of forces
defending Srebrenica)."

Matic also asserted that two members of an alleged French-backed Serb
paramilitary group called Pauk (Spider) were involved. Matic has earlier
alleged that the group had also planned to assassinate Yugoslav President
Slobodan Milosevic.

Matic also gave a lower figure of the number of Moslem men killed in the
Srebrenica massacre.

"Some 1,200 mostly captured Moslem fighters were killed in Srebrenica in
that really grave massacre," he said, adding that the French had planned
all that in order to end the Bosnian war with NATO troops entering the
country.

He said that the Serb 10th anti-terrorist brigade was misled by French
intelligence and others involved in planning the massacre and that it had
also been used to "demonize Mladic."

"The agreement was that Srebrenica should surrender to the Serb forces
without fighting, that Oric should leave with his troops and that the 10th
brigade should kill the remaining people in Srebrenica," Matic said,
saying this also happened.

He said the allegations were based on testimonies Yugoslav authorities had
received from arrested Pauk members.

Matic first mentioned the shadowy group last November, telling a news
conference that it had planned an attempt to kill Milosevic.

"Thanks to new information we got from members of Pauk
terrorist-intelligence group we are now in a position to put more light on
the circumstances and provide evidence on how the massacre in Srebrenica
was staged," he said on 





From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:34:13 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb 15 06:34:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20000215113217.31446.qmail@hotmail.com>

Thw word Alah means God. I am not sure the he is shit.

Also you are a fucking serb who deserves to be fucking killed. YOU_ARE 
THE_SCUM_OF_THIS_EARTH. You go back to your fucking land in the fucking 
north east of Europe where you came from.

And remember the peaceful people hate YOU for what you have done to most of 
you neighbouring nations for centuries. Don't worry the judgement day is not 
far.


Alah is a lump of SHIT.
Please locate the Murdering Albanian Bastards who killed  and Raped the good
kind Serb people who let them live on their land. Kill all the bad scum
Albanians in Yugoslavia and long may they burn in HELL.
All peaceful people HATE you, why don't you go back to your own crappy land?
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 06:45:49 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb 15 06:45:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215114517.99636.qmail@hotmail.com>

Si duket edhe ti Burim paske jetu ne nje planet tjeter si keta te 
Kosovapressit


>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
>
>Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!
>
>Burimi
>

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From zabeli at gmx.de  Tue Feb 15 07:08:51 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Tue Feb 15 07:08:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000214160844.88611.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20517.950616521@www1.gmx.net>

kta te kosovapressit me te vertete po e teprojne dita dites me shume. jane
ka dalin kadale krejt ne sorrnishte. 
ani mu qu e me i qite fadil hoxhen e mahmut bakallin ne nje thes me ali
shukrine eshte pak e teprume.

me tmira, shyqa


                 Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen 
                
anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk 
                 anoj nga asnjera ane.


                 Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m

                 Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja"
sh?noi 55-vjetorin e 
                 saj, ku p?r t?
                 kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t?
p?rvjetorit kishte 
                 botuar shkrime p?r
                 tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t?
gazet?, vet?m p?r 
                 "meritat" e saj, pa
                 vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj
gazete. Nd?kaq, gjat? 
                 dhjet? vjet?ve
                 t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n?
sh?rbim t? plot? 
                 propagandistik t?
                 politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t?
LDK-s?. Gazeta 
                 "Rilindja" ishte
                 vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave,
si gazet? q? ka 
                 kultivuar
                 "patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e
"Rilindjes" ka qen? e 
                 dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
                 Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z
besnik? t? politik?s 
                 projugosllave t?
                 v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t?
tyre ata kan? luftuar 
                 ?do
                 tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
                 Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra
shqiptar?, 
                 "Rilindja" u
                 themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e
tij dhe p?r t?i 
                 th?n? opinionit
                 nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e
tyre! Gazeta "Rilindja" 
                 ishte
                 sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar?
identiteti komb?tar e 
                 profesional, nj?
                 servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r
demonstratave t? vitit 
                 1968 dhe 1981
                 p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga
"Rilindja"
                 "kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i
cil?soi kreu i Beogradit 
                 dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
                 tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem
Vllasi, Ali Shukria e 
                 shum? t? tjer?.
                 Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak
Hasani, Shemsi 
                 Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
                 Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti,
Nazmi Misini e 
                 shum? t? tjer?
                 nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e
shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin 
                 me komente
                 nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin
"irredentist?"e 
                 "nacionalist?", q? prishnin
                 lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e
f?lliqt?,q? b?nte 
                 gazeta "Rilindja",
                 kund?r Shqip?ris?.
                 Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e
"Rilindjes" 
                 arsyetonin nd?rrimet
                 kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t?
Kushtetut?s 1974 dhe 
                 se
                 shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r
k?tyre nd?rrimeve
                 censuroheshin.
                 "Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime
kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin 
                 1990, kur ve? pat
                 filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r
demonstratave 
                 1990, t? cilat i
                 cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte"
krimet e polic?ve q? 
                 vrisnin shqiptar?t,
                 vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
                 Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta
"Rilindja", 
                 p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
                 politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e
kapitulluese, duke 
                 qen?
                 z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e
Titos n? faqen e par? 
                 tani e zinte
                 ?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes
n? sken? t? 
                 Ushtris? s?
                 lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q?
opinionit shqiptar t'ia 
                 servirte
                 vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet
komb?tare dhe 
                 zhvillonte fushat?
                 denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje
censuronte edhe 
                 komunikatat e
                 Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte
fushat? p?r 
                 zgjedhjet n? koh?
                 lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
                 K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja"
gjat? periudh?s s? 
                 saj 55-vje?are.
                 Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij
p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala 
                 asnj? mysafiri. A
                 thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre
55 vjet?ve dhe 
                 vler?simeve
                 pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e
gazetaris?, por para 
                 s? gjithash e
                 atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan
pothuajse e t?r? 
                 inteligjencia jon?, me
                 t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet,
inteligjencia jon? e 
                 tregoi veten para
                 dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
                 K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t?
gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e 
                 deridjesh?m t?
                 regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush
m? shum? se 
                 "Rilindja"nuk
                 b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r
Kosov?n ton? t? 
                 shtrenjt?, askush
"
                 Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se
gazeta "Rilindja" dhe 
                 askush nuk
                 treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
                 Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet
m? askujt. Nga 
                 gjith? nd?rmarrja e
                 zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj.
Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja" 
                 nuk mund t?
                 q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin
ideologjik e 
                 kulturor. Koh?ra
                 t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
                 P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind?
me organizim t? ri, 
                 me njer?z t?
                 rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n
shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo 
                 deri sot nuk ishte
                 "nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin
komb?tar, por nj? 
                 shtyll? e regjimit
                 gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies
shqiptare dhe t? 
                 frym?s liridash?se".
                 Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj?
faqe e frym? dhe t? 
                 b?het nj? krah i
                 fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.

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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 08:09:54 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb 15 08:09:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: - Reply
Message-ID: <20000215130847.12145.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Yugoslavia is for Yugoslavian rule, Albania can do what it likes that's 
>your
>problem.
Don't forget that there was Albania and Albanians before there was 
Yougoslavia and Yugoslavians. You came down south and settled in a land that 
wasn't and will never be yours matey.

>I suppose this is what happens when you let bad albanian scum into your
>country.
YOU_ARE_THE_SCUM_THAT_CAME_TO_OUR_COUNTRY. It wasn't the other way round you 
dodo.

>I hope we don't let this happen here in Britain or you may want to murder 
>us
>too.
>then claim Britain should be Albania too!
It's the Serbs that say Serbia is wherever tha Serbian boot walks/steps on. 
We only want what's ours. We don't want an inch of your country.

>I wonder will America bomb London if this happens?
No, I doubt it but, somehow I am sure that our friends Americans will 
probably bomb you again. They know who is to blame.


>Also, remember it is always these 'peacful' neighbouring nations that start
>the killing, so what do they expect?
Yes like they started the killing of Bosnian muslims, Croats, Sanjak 
Muslims, Montenegrins, Kosovan Albanians, Macedonians. Do you want me to 
continue or you just want me to remind you that Yogo... doesn't exist any 
more because of you and your sheer determination to kill those that are 
better than you.

>You wanted the war, you got the war, then you complain that people die!!!!
Never have we wanted any war nor have we ever started or triggered one. We 
are a paceful nation. We don't dislike our neighbours (well apart from your 
sort) and our state and government has never and will never practice 
organised and well though and documnted mass murder, rapes, killings, ethnic 
cleansing and expulsion of others. This is what you do. This is what you're 
good at. But not any more.

The very least that you should do is officially apologise and condemn what 
you've done in the resent years. Because if you don't you future generations 
will have to bear names such murderers, killers, rapists, racists...in one 
word serbians.

So long and stop barking.


>From: "tom.spasojevic" <tom.spasojevic at tesco.net>
>To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>CC: 
><albanian_uk at listbot.com>,<ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>,<prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: - Reply
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:40:12 -0000
>
>alah means death to all, or so it seems to non alah freeks.
>
>So, you can't handle the real truth can you?
>
>Yugoslavia is for Yugoslavian rule, Albania can do what it likes that's 
>your
>problem.
>
>I suppose this is what happens when you let bad albanian scum into your
>country.
>I hope we don't let this happen here in Britain or you may want to murder 
>us
>too.
>then claim Britain should be Albania too!
>
>I wonder will America bomb London if this happens?
>
>Acually smart arse the point is not about Serbs and kosovars it is about
>Yogoslavians and albanians.
>
>Also, remember it is always these 'peacful' neighbouring nations that start
>the killing, so what do they expect?
>
>You wanted the war, you got the war, then you complain that people die!!!!
>
>You are more stupid than you look!
>
>Tom
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>To: <tom.spasojevic at tesco.net>
>Cc: <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; <ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>;
><prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
>Sent: 15 February 2000 11:32
>
>
> > Thw word Alah means God. I am not sure the he is shit.
> >
> > Also you are a fucking serb who deserves to be fucking killed. YOU_ARE
> > THE_SCUM_OF_THIS_EARTH. You go back to your fucking land in the fucking
> > north east of Europe where you came from.
> >
> > And remember the peaceful people hate YOU for what you have done to most
>of
> > you neighbouring nations for centuries. Don't worry the judgement day is
>not
> > far.
> >
> >
> > Alah is a lump of SHIT.
> > Please locate the Murdering Albanian Bastards who killed  and Raped the
>good
> > kind Serb people who let them live on their land. Kill all the bad scum
> > Albanians in Yugoslavia and long may they burn in HELL.
> > All peaceful people HATE you, why don't you go back to your own crappy
>land?
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From vrexh at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 15 08:12:31 2000
From: vrexh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vlora=20Rexhepi?=)
Date: Tue Feb 15 08:12:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215131014.1131.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com>

Cilave p.sh? Apo ndoshta edhe ti Burim po vjen prej te
njejtit planet (Planetit: Perktheje cdo gje ne anti
LDK) sikur keta te Kosovapress-it?

Vlora
  
--- Burim Hana <burimh at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!
> 
> Burimi
> 
> 
> >From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> >To: albanian_uk at listbot.com,
> ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,  
> >prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
> >
> >Albanian Community UK
> >
> >Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
>
>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne.
> Une nuk
> >anoj nga asnjera ane.
> >
> >
> >Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
> >
> >Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta
> "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e
> >saj, ku p?r t?
> >kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag
> t? p?rvjetorit kishte
> >botuar shkrime p?r
> >tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t?
> gazet?, vet?m p?r
> >"meritat" e saj, pa
> >vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t?
> k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq, 
> >gjat?
> >dhjet? vjet?ve
> >t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte
> n? sh?rbim t? plot?
> >propagandistik t?
> >politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese
> t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
> >"Rilindja" ishte
> >vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m?
> projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
> >kultivuar
> >"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e
> "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
> >dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
> >Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z
> besnik? t? politik?s
> >projugosllave t?
> >v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve
> t? tyre ata kan? luftuar
> >?do
> >tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
> >Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan
> mij?ra shqiptar?,
> >"Rilindja" u
> >themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n?
> gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
> >th?n? opinionit
> >nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat
> e tyre! Gazeta 
> >"Rilindja"
> >ishte
> >sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa
> kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e
> >profesional, nj?
> >servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua
> kund?r demonstratave t? vitit
> >1968 dhe 1981
> >p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u
> cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
> >"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i
> cil?soi kreu i Beogradit
> >dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
> >tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem
> Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
> >shum? t? tjer?.
> >Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti,
> Isak Hasani, Shemsi
> >Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
> >Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa
> Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
> >shum? t? tjer?
> >nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e
> shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin
> >me komente
> >nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin
> "irredentist?"e
> >"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
> >lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet
> propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
> >gazeta "Rilindja",
> >kund?r Shqip?ris?.
> >Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?,
> gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
> >arsyetonin nd?rrimet
> >kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet
> themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974 
> >dhe
> >se
> >shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet
> kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
> >censuroheshin.
> >"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime
> kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
> >1990, kur ve? pat
> >filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet
> kund?r demonstratave
> >1990, t? cilat i
> >cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte"
> krimet e polic?ve q?
> >vrisnin shqiptar?t,
> >vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
> >Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta
> "Rilindja",
> >p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
> >politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese,
> mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke
> >qen?
> >z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin
> e Titos n? faqen e par?
> >tani e zinte
> >?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas
> daljes n? sken? t?
> >Ushtris? s?
> >lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua
> q? opinionit shqiptar 
> >t'ia
> >servirte
> >vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte
> q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
> >zhvillonte fushat?
> >denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje
> censuronte edhe
> >komunikatat e
> >Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo
> zhvillonte fushat? p?r
> >zgjedhjet n? koh?
> >lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
> >K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s
> "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
> >saj 55-vje?are.
> >Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij
> p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala
> >asnj? mysafiri. A
> >thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat?
> k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
> >vler?simeve
> >pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo
> vet?m e gazetaris?, por 
> >para
> >s? gjithash e
> >atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan
> pothuajse e t?r?
> >inteligjencia jon?, me
> >t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet,
> inteligjencia jon? e
> >tregoi veten para
> >dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
> >K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t?
> gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
> >deridjesh?m t?
> >regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-"
> Askush m? shum? se
> >"Rilindja"nuk
> >b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret
> p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
> >shtrenjt?, askush
"
> >Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t
> se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
> >askush nuk
> >treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
> >Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i
> duhet m? askujt. Nga
> >gjith? nd?rmarrja e
> >zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e
> saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja"
> >nuk mund t?
> >q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban
> monopolin ideologjik e
> >kulturor. Koh?ra
> >t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
> >P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t?
> rilind? me organizim t? 
> >ri,
> >me njer?z t?
> >rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n
> shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo
> >deri sot nuk ishte
> >"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin
> komb?tar, por nj?
> >shtyll? e regjimit
> >gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e
> qenies shqiptare dhe t?
> >frym?s liridash?se".
> >Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t?
> nd?rroj? 
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From ssander at ans.net  Tue Feb 15 09:46:47 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Tue Feb 15 09:46:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002142239590.1289-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002150944380.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Really, 

lets not respond to emails like this.  It's vivid that someone is
providing internet connection to mental institutions in Serbia.

thanx
- Sander 


On Mon, 14 Feb 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> 
> no comment.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:32:46 -0000
> From: tom.spasojevic <tom.spasojevic at tesco.net>
> To: support at alb-net.com
> 
> Alah is a lump of SHIT.
> Please locate the Murdering Albanian Bastards who killed  and Raped the good kind Serb people who let them live on their land. Kill all the bad scum Albanians in Yugoslavia and long may they burn in HELL.
> All peaceful people HATE you, why don't you go back to your own crappy land?
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From burimh at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 11:33:42 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Tue Feb 15 11:33:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215163212.53220.qmail@hotmail.com>

Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
ejvalla nihere
Burimi




>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:45:17 CET
>
>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>Si duket edhe ti Burim paske jetu ne nje planet tjeter si keta te
>Kosovapressit
>
>
>>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
>>
>>Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!
>>
>>Burimi
>>
>
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 12:01:02 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb 15 12:01:02 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000215165939.33082.qmail@hotmail.com>

What some Albanians are doing to some Serbs at the moment doesn't even 
remotely compare to State Organised Serb Genocide Against Inocent Kosovan 
Albanian Population. Our state and our government is not doing what you're 
refering to, it's some individuals who as far as I am concerned can even be 
from Serbia.

So next time you decide to reply think about what you're gonna say. That's 
why you have your brains for. No matter how small they seam to me, I am sure 
you should have at least a tiny amount of them.

Later,
Albert


>From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>Subject: snipers
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:53 +0100
>
>Most innocent? i saw it myself in Ohrahovac. I worked 6 months there and 
>saw
>the albanians killing and raping! where were you?? And just last weekend
>when KFOR arrested 40 ethnic Albanians, killed one sniper who tried to kill
>NATO soldiers. What you mean innocent???
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:20 PM
>
>
> > You fucking mother fucker. How dare you say such things about the most
> > inocent people of this world.
> >
> > hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
> > After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and 
>Sinti/Roma
>it
> > is
> > time the world will see how you really are!!!
> > Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come there
>and
> > kill
> > a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
> > ______________________________________________________
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 12:03:40 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb 15 12:03:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215170305.80213.qmail@hotmail.com>

Ka shume mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter. Ne planetin ku kam 
jetuar une nuk kishte fort mundesi t'i shmangesh involvimit ne jeten e 
perditshme te sistemit komunist. Mirepo ndoshta duhet te behet dallim ne mes 
te komunisteve te tipit "enverist" edhe te atyre qe jane detyruar te quhen 
komunista, pra le t'i quajme te tipit "titist". Ata te tipit "titist" kane 
qene njerez normal qe nuk e kane patur per pune ideologjie, por per t'iu 
shmangur konflikteve dhe per te mundur qe te jetojne. Ndersa ata te tipit 
"enverist" e kane patur pikerisht per pune ideologjie te semure. Dhe sic po 
shihet ata jane kritikuesit me banal te "komunisteve" megjithese edhe vete 
kane qene komuniste.
Thash qe ka mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter, por ama vete nuk 
jam komuniste, gje qe nuk kisha mundur te pohoj per ty. Ndoshta na shpjegon 
ti, si po e sheh kete ceshtje...

>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>

>Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
>ejvalla nihere
>Burimi

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From besnik at alb-net.com  Tue Feb 15 14:26:11 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Tue Feb 15 14:26:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002150944380.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002142239590.1289-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a00b4cf586ab450@[165.247.45.52]>

At 9:45 AM -0500 2/15/00, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:
>lets not respond to emails like this.  It's vivid that someone is
>providing internet connection to mental institutions in Serbia.

Must be another EU plan to help democracy in Serbia...

-Besnik





From zabeli at gmx.de  Tue Feb 15 15:35:21 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Tue Feb 15 15:35:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000215170305.80213.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <456.950646888@www15.gmx.net>

te lumte Vjollca!




> Ka shume mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter. Ne planetin ku
> kam 
> jetuar une nuk kishte fort mundesi t'i shmangesh involvimit ne jeten e 
> perditshme te sistemit komunist. Mirepo ndoshta duhet te behet dallim ne
> mes 
> te komunisteve te tipit "enverist" edhe te atyre qe jane detyruar te
> quhen 
> komunista, pra le t'i quajme te tipit "titist". Ata te tipit "titist"
> kane 
> qene njerez normal qe nuk e kane patur per pune ideologjie, por per t'iu
> 
> shmangur konflikteve dhe per te mundur qe te jetojne. Ndersa ata te
> tipit 
> "enverist" e kane patur pikerisht per pune ideologjie te semure. Dhe sic
> po 
> shihet ata jane kritikuesit me banal te "komunisteve" megjithese edhe
> vete 
> kane qene komuniste.
> Thash qe ka mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter, por ama vete
> nuk 
> jam komuniste, gje qe nuk kisha mundur te pohoj per ty. Ndoshta na
> shpjegon 
> ti, si po e sheh kete ceshtje...
> 
> >From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
> 
> >Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
> >ejvalla nihere
> >Burimi
> 
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From rainerholm at t-online.de  Tue Feb 15 16:40:50 2000
From: rainerholm at t-online.de (Rainer Holm)
Date: Tue Feb 15 16:40:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] idea
References: <7d.1153026.25d7a103@aol.com> <003301c630b5$5ab011e0$fb00330a@koha>
Message-ID: <12Kpi0-1JZTVIC@fwd07.sul.t-online.de>

you are now in prishtina?
your maybe go to university?
or you are famous in prishtina?
you know maybe many people there?
do you know Dardan Kurteshi, Afrim M., Shqipe H. or fam. Berisha?
you know the streets Taslixhe, Llapi, Dubroniku or Rifata Burgjeviqa? 
i'm on the search for them............

sami at prishtina.com schrieb:
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>
> OK Dennis, u have some skills but u will not have to deal with kids here
> though... =)
> I'v seen many policmens doing nothing here - jusgt looking after restorants
> and other things, and also trying to stay alive, they r not runing after
> crime at all, i see them everyday, exept some american and german
> policemans....
> Sami
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <BadCop526 at aol.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Finally some good news!
>
>
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> >
> > No..not a bad cop......i am looking forward to the opportunity to help
> > out......i have spent alot of time working with kids....have been a
> > fireman..medic...i play guitar and sing.....i am a bicycle officer.....i
> do
> > distance cycling...i like Country music/Dancing..
> >
> > Dennis
> >
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 17:46:51 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Tue Feb 15 17:46:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215224619.10606.qmail@hotmail.com>

Vjollca,

Une ksaj pune i thom merre njonit e mshoj tjetrit, po t'paret:(komunistat e 
tipit te ndoshta babit tond-te ashtuquajtunit titistat kane kqyre me e nxone 
ni karrike t'mire e mos me ia ni per kurgjo tjeter), e kta t'tipit t'dyte: 
enveristat deri ne hapjen('demokratizimin') e Shipnise kane besu n'nanen 
Shipni si parajse e vertete. Shyqyr qi kane besu n'kete ideologji se me u 
pase dite e verteta per 'parajsen Shipni' gjysa e shiptarve sot e kishin 
pase gjuhe t'pare serbishten. E ata qi jone kone enverista e kane mbete mas 
hapjes se kufinit zoti iu nimofte atyne...
Perndryshe baba ma ka pase lone amanet mos u perzi n'asni parti, e aj ka 
punu tone jeten e vet e s'o kone kurre komunist e s'i ka pase benificionet e 
disa tjerve...

Pershendetje gurbetqare
Burimi

P.S. Per informata tjera familjare mos hezito te me kontaktosh...


>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
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>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 18:03:05 CET
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>Ka shume mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter. Ne planetin ku kam
>jetuar une nuk kishte fort mundesi t'i shmangesh involvimit ne jeten e
>perditshme te sistemit komunist. Mirepo ndoshta duhet te behet dallim ne 
>mes
>te komunisteve te tipit "enverist" edhe te atyre qe jane detyruar te quhen
>komunista, pra le t'i quajme te tipit "titist". Ata te tipit "titist" kane
>qene njerez normal qe nuk e kane patur per pune ideologjie, por per t'iu
>shmangur konflikteve dhe per te mundur qe te jetojne. Ndersa ata te tipit
>"enverist" e kane patur pikerisht per pune ideologjie te semure. Dhe sic po
>shihet ata jane kritikuesit me banal te "komunisteve" megjithese edhe vete
>kane qene komuniste.
>Thash qe ka mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter, por ama vete 
>nuk
>jam komuniste, gje qe nuk kisha mundur te pohoj per ty. Ndoshta na shpjegon
>ti, si po e sheh kete ceshtje...
>
>>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
>
>>Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
>>ejvalla nihere
>>Burimi
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 17:49:08 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Tue Feb 15 17:49:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000215224835.62026.qmail@hotmail.com>

Shyq, na n'prishtine kur s'kena marre vesh naj sen kena vete: Shyq?


>From: Shyq Zabeli <zabeli at gmx.de>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:34:48 +0100 (MET)
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>te lumte Vjollca!
>
>
>
>
> > Ka shume mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter. Ne planetin ku
> > kam
> > jetuar une nuk kishte fort mundesi t'i shmangesh involvimit ne jeten e
> > perditshme te sistemit komunist. Mirepo ndoshta duhet te behet dallim ne
> > mes
> > te komunisteve te tipit "enverist" edhe te atyre qe jane detyruar te
> > quhen
> > komunista, pra le t'i quajme te tipit "titist". Ata te tipit "titist"
> > kane
> > qene njerez normal qe nuk e kane patur per pune ideologjie, por per t'iu
> >
> > shmangur konflikteve dhe per te mundur qe te jetojne. Ndersa ata te
> > tipit
> > "enverist" e kane patur pikerisht per pune ideologjie te semure. Dhe sic
> > po
> > shihet ata jane kritikuesit me banal te "komunisteve" megjithese edhe
> > vete
> > kane qene komuniste.
> > Thash qe ka mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter, por ama vete
> > nuk
> > jam komuniste, gje qe nuk kisha mundur te pohoj per ty. Ndoshta na
> > shpjegon
> > ti, si po e sheh kete ceshtje...
> >
> > >From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
> >
> > >Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
> > >ejvalla nihere
> > >Burimi
> >
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From mehollim at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 15 17:49:24 2000
From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli)
Date: Tue Feb 15 17:49:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000215224841.88013.qmail@hotmail.com>

Dear Mr. Hartman:
You have no right to make such comments about Albanian population in Kosova. 
It makes me very upset when people who know nothing about our history and 
oppression from Serbs that went on for centuries, jump to pointless 
conclusions. Where where you and others like you 10 years ago when innocent 
Albanian people were being ruthlessly killed and tortured?
However, the truth is, not very many people are innocent during the war. 
Albanian people were forced into it and had to fight "fire with fire" in 
order to survive.
You should be ashamed of what you said and of your closed-mindedness. You 
have a long way to go in order to understand what we have gone through and 
please be more rational when you make any comments about issues that you 
seem to have no knowledge for.
Sincerely,
Mimoza
>>From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>>Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>>To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>>Subject: snipers
>>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:53 +0100
>>
>>Most innocent? i saw it myself in Ohrahovac. I worked 6 months there and
>>saw
>>the albanians killing and raping! where were you?? And just last weekend
>>when KFOR arrested 40 ethnic Albanians, killed one sniper who tried to 
>>kill
>>NATO soldiers. What you mean innocent???
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>>To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:20 PM
>>
>>
>> > You fucking mother fucker. How dare you say such things about the most
>> > inocent people of this world.
>> >
>> > hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
>> > After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and
>>Sinti/Roma
>>it
>> > is
>> > time the world will see how you really are!!!
>> > Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come there
>>and
>> > kill
>> > a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Tue Feb 15 19:10:38 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Tue Feb 15 19:10:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000215224835.62026.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <13567.950659791@www19.gmx.net>

burim, kurregjo kunder te vetneve, por edhe t'vetnet jane dy farnash. 

e sa i perket temes (enverista e titista): shyqyr qi su kon ni sistem i
ngjashem ne jugosllavi si ne shypni, se edhe baba yt, amanetin e te cilit ti
ishalla e respekton (e se bon kahre as ni parti), nuk kishte me pas mbet i
kursyem prej partise komuniste.
 
shyqa
 
p.s. edhe nje here: pergjegjja e vjollces mu duke shume me vend, por kjo
sdo te thote se ato qka i thua ti (se paku jo krejt ate qe thua ti), burim,
jane pa vend!




>  Shyq, na n'prishtine kur s'kena marre vesh naj sen kena vete: Shyq?
 
> 
> >From: Shyq Zabeli <zabeli at gmx.de>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Re: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 21:34:48 +0100 (MET)
> >
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> >
> >te lumte Vjollca!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ka shume mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter. Ne planetin
> ku
> > > kam
> > > jetuar une nuk kishte fort mundesi t'i shmangesh involvimit ne jeten
> e
> > > perditshme te sistemit komunist. Mirepo ndoshta duhet te behet
> dallim ne
> > > mes
> > > te komunisteve te tipit "enverist" edhe te atyre qe jane detyruar te
> > > quhen
> > > komunista, pra le t'i quajme te tipit "titist". Ata te tipit
> "titist"
> > > kane
> > > qene njerez normal qe nuk e kane patur per pune ideologjie, por per
> t'iu
> > >
> > > shmangur konflikteve dhe per te mundur qe te jetojne. Ndersa ata te
> > > tipit
> > > "enverist" e kane patur pikerisht per pune ideologjie te semure. Dhe
> sic
> > > po
> > > shihet ata jane kritikuesit me banal te "komunisteve" megjithese
> edhe
> > > vete
> > > kane qene komuniste.
> > > Thash qe ka mundesi qe jam vajze e nje komunisti te vjeter, por ama
> vete
> > > nuk
> > > jam komuniste, gje qe nuk kisha mundur te pohoj per ty. Ndoshta na
> > > shpjegon
> > > ti, si po e sheh kete ceshtje...
> > >
> > > >From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > >Mos je ti pahiri naj qika  e naj komunisti t'vjeter a qashtu dicka?
> > > >ejvalla nihere
> > > >Burimi
> > >
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From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Tue Feb 15 19:27:15 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Tue Feb 15 19:27:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000215131014.1131.qmail@web1603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <38A9F04D.573AECD4@vnet.net>

Jo Vlora, me sa e di Burimin prej Tokes e kena. Ky hiq s'ka pas marak me
shetit planeteve t'jera.
A mmos p rrej najsen Burim.

Vlora Rexhepi wrote:

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> Cilave p.sh? Apo ndoshta edhe ti Burim po vjen prej te
> njejtit planet (Planetit: Perktheje cdo gje ne anti
> LDK) sikur keta te Kosovapress-it?
>
> Vlora
>
> --- Burim Hana <burimh at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!
> >
> > Burimi
> >
> >
> > >From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> > >To: albanian_uk at listbot.com,
> > ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
> > >prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > >Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
> > >
> > >Albanian Community UK
> > >
> > >Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
> >
> >anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne.
> > Une nuk
> > >anoj nga asnjera ane.
> > >
> > >
> > >Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
> > >
> > >Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta
> > "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e
> > >saj, ku p?r t?
> > >kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag
> > t? p?rvjetorit kishte
> > >botuar shkrime p?r
> > >tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t?
> > gazet?, vet?m p?r
> > >"meritat" e saj, pa
> > >vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t?
> > k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq,
> > >gjat?
> > >dhjet? vjet?ve
> > >t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte
> > n? sh?rbim t? plot?
> > >propagandistik t?
> > >politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese
> > t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
> > >"Rilindja" ishte
> > >vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m?
> > projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
> > >kultivuar
> > >"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e
> > "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
> > >dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
> > >Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z
> > besnik? t? politik?s
> > >projugosllave t?
> > >v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve
> > t? tyre ata kan? luftuar
> > >?do
> > >tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
> > >Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan
> > mij?ra shqiptar?,
> > >"Rilindja" u
> > >themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n?
> > gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
> > >th?n? opinionit
> > >nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat
> > e tyre! Gazeta
> > >"Rilindja"
> > >ishte
> > >sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa
> > kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e
> > >profesional, nj?
> > >servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua
> > kund?r demonstratave t? vitit
> > >1968 dhe 1981
> > >p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u
> > cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
> > >"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i
> > cil?soi kreu i Beogradit
> > >dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
> > >tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem
> > Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
> > >shum? t? tjer?.
> > >Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti,
> > Isak Hasani, Shemsi
> > >Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
> > >Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa
> > Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
> > >shum? t? tjer?
> > >nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e
> > shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin
> > >me komente
> > >nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin
> > "irredentist?"e
> > >"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
> > >lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet
> > propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
> > >gazeta "Rilindja",
> > >kund?r Shqip?ris?.
> > >Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?,
> > gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
> > >arsyetonin nd?rrimet
> > >kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet
> > themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974
> > >dhe
> > >se
> > >shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet
> > kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
> > >censuroheshin.
> > >"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime
> > kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
> > >1990, kur ve? pat
> > >filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet
> > kund?r demonstratave
> > >1990, t? cilat i
> > >cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte"
> > krimet e polic?ve q?
> > >vrisnin shqiptar?t,
> > >vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
> > >Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta
> > "Rilindja",
> > >p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
> > >politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese,
> > mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke
> > >qen?
> > >z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin
> > e Titos n? faqen e par?
> > >tani e zinte
> > >?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas
> > daljes n? sken? t?
> > >Ushtris? s?
> > >lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua
> > q? opinionit shqiptar
> > >t'ia
> > >servirte
> > >vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte
> > q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
> > >zhvillonte fushat?
> > >denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje
> > censuronte edhe
> > >komunikatat e
> > >Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo
> > zhvillonte fushat? p?r
> > >zgjedhjet n? koh?
> > >lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
> > >K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s
> > "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
> > >saj 55-vje?are.
> > >Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij
> > p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala
> > >asnj? mysafiri. A
> > >thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat?
> > k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
> > >vler?simeve
> > >pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo
> > vet?m e gazetaris?, por
> > >para
> > >s? gjithash e
> > >atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan
> > pothuajse e t?r?
> > >inteligjencia jon?, me
> > >t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet,
> > inteligjencia jon? e
> > >tregoi veten para
> > >dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
> > >K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t?
> > gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
> > >deridjesh?m t?
> > >regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-"
> > Askush m? shum? se
> > >"Rilindja"nuk
> > >b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret
> > p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
> > >shtrenjt?, askush
"
> > >Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t
> > se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
> > >askush nuk
> > >treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
> > >Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i
> > duhet m? askujt. Nga
> > >gjith? nd?rmarrja e
> > >zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e
> > saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja"
> > >nuk mund t?
> > >q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban
> > monopolin ideologjik e
> > >kulturor. Koh?ra
> > >t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
> > >P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t?
> > rilind? me organizim t?
> > >ri,
> > >me njer?z t?
> > >rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n
> > shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo
> > >deri sot nuk ishte
> > >"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin
> > komb?tar, por nj?
> > >shtyll? e regjimit
> > >gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e
> > qenies shqiptare dhe t?
> > >frym?s liridash?se".
> > >Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t?
> > nd?rroj?
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 16 05:10:10 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Wed Feb 16 05:10:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000216100937.64976.qmail@hotmail.com>

Burim,

Ndoshta po mundesh me verejte prej emrit qe nuk jam gjakovare (me falni per 
jokorrektesine politike) dhe babi im nuk ka qene n'kurrfare pozite 
udheheqese ne establishmentin "titist" e as qe ka luftu per nje pozite te 
tille. E mora vetem si shembull qe te tregoj sa idiotike eshte te akuzohen 
njerez qe kane jetu e punu ne menyre normale, se qenkan tradhetar e ku ta di 
une...
Sipas Kosovapressit krejt staffi i Rilindjes edhe krejt historia e saj 
qenkan "per 5 pare" se i paskan sherby interesave "titiste"...

E cka don me thene ky amanet mos me u perzi ne parti politike. Don me thene 
qe shumica prej nesh nuk do te angazhohet politikisht. E kujt po ia leme 
angazhimin politik. Kosovapressit a?

v.

>From: "Burim Hana" <burimh at hotmail.com>
>
>Vjollca,
>
>Une ksaj pune i thom merre njonit e mshoj tjetrit, po t'paret:(komunistat e
>tipit te ndoshta babit tond-te ashtuquajtunit titistat kane kqyre me e 
>nxone
>ni karrike t'mire e mos me ia ni per kurgjo tjeter), e kta t'tipit t'dyte:
>enveristat deri ne hapjen('demokratizimin') e Shipnise kane besu n'nanen
>Shipni si parajse e vertete. Shyqyr qi kane besu n'kete ideologji se me u
>pase dite e verteta per 'parajsen Shipni' gjysa e shiptarve sot e kishin
>pase gjuhe t'pare serbishten. E ata qi jone kone enverista e kane mbete mas
>hapjes se kufinit zoti iu nimofte atyne...
>Perndryshe baba ma ka pase lone amanet mos u perzi n'asni parti, e aj ka
>punu tone jeten e vet e s'o kone kurre komunist e s'i ka pase benificionet 
>e
>disa tjerve...
>
>Pershendetje gurbetqare
>Burimi
>
>P.S. Per informata tjera familjare mos hezito te me kontaktosh...

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From vrexh at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 16 06:09:20 2000
From: vrexh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vlora=20Rexhepi?=)
Date: Wed Feb 16 06:09:20 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000216110917.11904.qmail@web1605.mail.yahoo.com>

Po me vjen mire qe eshte prej Tokes Burimi. 
Vec duke i lexu polemikat e tij me Vjollcen me te
cilen po pajtohem plotesisht sa i perket Kosovapressit
nuk po muj me kuptu se si disa nuk po e shohin se sa
pa vlere, siperfaqesore dhe te demshme jane shkrimet e
tilla te Kosovapressit. E ne kete rast te flasish per
pervjetorin e Rilindjes te vetmes gazete ditore me
tradite ne Kosove ne nje menyre te tille eshte
mosrespekt per tere punetoret e kesaj gazete,
pamavresisht prej perkatesise se tyre partiake ne
njeren ane e njekohesisht eshte edhe mosrespekt per
cdo gje tradicionale. Mendoj se Rilindja pamvaresisht
nga politikat redaktuese qe i ka pase gjate historise
se saj eshte pjese e tradites kulturore kosovare dhe
si e tille meriton respekt. 

Vlora

--- drin kryeziu <dkryeziu at vnet.net> wrote:
> Jo Vlora, me sa e di Burimin prej Tokes e kena. Ky
> hiq s'ka pas marak me
> shetit planeteve t'jera.
> A mmos p rrej najsen Burim.
> 
> Vlora Rexhepi wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Cilave p.sh? Apo ndoshta edhe ti Burim po vjen
> prej te
> > njejtit planet (Planetit: Perktheje cdo gje ne
> anti
> > LDK) sikur keta te Kosovapress-it?
> >
> > Vlora
> >
> > --- Burim Hana <burimh at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > Valla bre Albert, fort seneve ia paskan qillu!
> > >
> > > Burimi
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Albert Hyseni"
> <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> > > >To: albanian_uk at listbot.com,
> > > ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
> > > >prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > > >Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> > > >Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
> > > >
> > > >Albanian Community UK
> > > >
> > > >Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
> > >
> >
>
>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne.
> > > Une nuk
> > > >anoj nga asnjera ane.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
> > > >
> > > >Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta
> > > "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e
> > > >saj, ku p?r t?
> > > >kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N?
> prag
> > > t? p?rvjetorit kishte
> > > >botuar shkrime p?r
> > > >tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r
> k?t?
> > > gazet?, vet?m p?r
> > > >"meritat" e saj, pa
> > > >vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav
> t?
> > > k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq,
> > > >gjat?
> > > >dhjet? vjet?ve
> > > >t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku",
> ishte
> > > n? sh?rbim t? plot?
> > > >propagandistik t?
> > > >politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe
> mashtruese
> > > t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
> > > >"Rilindja" ishte
> > > >vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m?
> > > projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
> > > >kultivuar
> > > >"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e
> > > "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
> > > >dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
> > > >Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m
> njer?z
> > > besnik? t? politik?s
> > > >projugosllave t?
> > > >v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e
> komenteve
> > > t? tyre ata kan? luftuar
> > > >?do
> > > >tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
> > > >Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u
> masakruan
> > > mij?ra shqiptar?,
> > > >"Rilindja" u
> > > >themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n?
> > > gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
> > > >th?n? opinionit
> > > >nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t?
> drejtat
> > > e tyre! Gazeta
> > > >"Rilindja"
> > > >ishte
> > > >sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa
> > > kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e
> > > >profesional, nj?
> > > >servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua
> > > kund?r demonstratave t? vitit
> > > >1968 dhe 1981
> > > >p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u
> > > cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
> > > >"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu
> si? i
> > > cil?soi kreu i Beogradit
> > > >dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
> > > >tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli,
> Azem
> > > Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
> > > >shum? t? tjer?.
> > > >Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir
> Hoti,
> > > Isak Hasani, Shemsi
> > > >Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
> > > >Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa
> > > Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
> > > >shum? t? tjer?
> > > >nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m.
> Gjykimet e
> > > shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin
> > > >me komente
> > > >nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin
> > > "irredentist?"e
> > > >"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
> > > >lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet
> > > propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
> > > >gazeta "Rilindja",
> > > >kund?r Shqip?ris?.
> > > >Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?,
> > > gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
> > > >arsyetonin nd?rrimet
> > > >kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet
> > > themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974
> > > >dhe
> > > >se
> > > >shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa
> shkrimet
> > > kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
> > > >censuroheshin.
> > > >"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime
> > > kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
> > > >1990, kur ve? pat
> > > >filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin
> komentet
> > > kund?r demonstratave
> > > >1990, t? cilat i
> > > >cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa
> "harronte"
> > > krimet e polic?ve q?
> > > >vrisnin shqiptar?t,
> > > >vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
> > > >Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta
> > > "Rilindja",
> > > >p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
> > > >politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese,
> > > mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke
> > > >qen?
> > > >z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s.
> Vendin
> > > e Titos n? faqen e par?
> > > >tani e zinte
> > > >?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe
> pas
> > > daljes n? sken? t?
> > > >Ushtris? s?
> > > >lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u
> mundua
> > > q? opinionit shqiptar
> > > >t'ia
> > > >servirte
> > > >vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte
> > > q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
> > > >zhvillonte fushat?
> > > >denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare,
> madje
> > > censuronte edhe
> > > >komunikatat e
> > > >Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo
> > > zhvillonte fushat? p?r
> > > >zgjedhjet n? koh?
> > > >lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
> > > >K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s
> > > "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
> > > >saj 55-vje?are.
> > > >Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij
> > > p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala
> > > >asnj? mysafiri. A
> > > >thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s
> gjat?
> > > k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
> > > >vler?simeve
> > > >pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo
> > > vet?m e gazetaris?, por
> > > >para
> 
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From junglenpc7 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 16 07:58:25 2000
From: junglenpc7 at hotmail.com (pc junglen)
Date: Wed Feb 16 07:58:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Elvanja nga danimarka
Message-ID: <20000216104905.56772.qmail@hotmail.com>

ju lutem m? shkruani veq n? ghuhen shqipe 
emeil im? Elvana.forum.dk
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 08:03:08 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 08:03:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet-Cafee in Prizren!
In-Reply-To: <38A83659.E4541AA4@bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002160801520.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

I don't think it is functional yet, it should open every day now.  Arben,
can you give some new information regarding this? Etrit.

On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 shabanaj at bluewin.ch wrote:

>  
>                      --- Prizren-L Discussion Forum ---
> 
> Hello everybody, I'm new in this list, I've heard, that in Prizren,
> there is an Internet Cafee?
> 
> Is that true?
> 
> Thank you for the answer!
> 
> Fatmir




From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 08:05:40 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 08:05:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Elvanja nga danimarka
In-Reply-To: <20000216104905.56772.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002160804240.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, pc junglen wrote:

> ju lutem m? shkruani veq n? ghuhen shqipe 
> emeil im? Elvana.forum.dk
> 
tung elvana, ne kete liste ka edhe plot anetare qe jane te huaj por te
interesuar per prishtinen, keshtu qe kjo liste eshte e hapur edhe per ta.

te fala,
etriti.




From arapi55 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 16 08:46:35 2000
From: arapi55 at yahoo.com (Arben ARAPI)
Date: Wed Feb 16 08:46:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet-Cafee in Prizren!
Message-ID: <20000216134621.19971.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com>

Etrit,
yes, internet center (it's not called internet cafe)
just opened up in Prizren. a friend of mine works in
internet center in Prizren, and he emails me every
day.
IOM is financing this center.  

--- Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I don't think it is functional yet, it should open
> every day now.  Arben,
> can you give some new information regarding this?
> Etrit.
> 
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 shabanaj at bluewin.ch wrote:
> 
> >  
> >                      --- Prizren-L Discussion
> Forum ---
> > 
> > Hello everybody, I'm new in this list, I've heard,
> that in Prizren,
> > there is an Internet Cafee?
> > 
> > Is that true?
> > 
> > Thank you for the answer!
> > 
> > Fatmir
> 
> 
>
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 10:36:04 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 10:36:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Internet-Cafee in Prizren!
In-Reply-To: <20000216134621.19971.qmail@web218.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002161034050.1289-100000@alb-net.com>

Arben, that is great news!  Do you know where it is located or have a
contact e-mail on how we can reach them?

Thanks,
Etrit.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Etrit,
> yes, internet center (it's not called internet cafe)
> just opened up in Prizren. a friend of mine works in
> internet center in Prizren, and he emails me every
> day.
> IOM is financing this center.  
> 




From dardan at prishtina.com  Wed Feb 16 11:48:56 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Wed Feb 16 11:48:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet-Cafee in Prizren!
Message-ID: <200002161148.AA45286116@prishtina.com>

Interneti ne Prizren (pjese nga artikulli i Kohes Ditore)

Sponzoruar nga USAID-i amerikan, m? 14 shkurt, n? dit?n e Sh?n Valentinit, n? Prizren filloi t? funksionoj? rrjeti i Internetit, t? cilin n? nj? qend?r t? posa?me af?r Sht?pis? s? kultur?s n? Prizren po e udh?heq Tahir Hoxha.
?Kjo Qend?r e Internetit do t? jet? n? funksion t? komunikimit dhe aft?simit t? personave t? interesuar p?r t?u kyqur n? dritaren e
bot?s?, deklaroi z. Hoxha. ?Tani p?r tani, n? k?t? rrjet? kemi kyqur
10 kompjuter? t? cil?t racionalisht do t? mund t? shfryt?zohen nga t?
interesuarit. Nj? privilegj do ta ken? gazetar?t dhe korrespoden-t?t
nga Prizreni q? do t? ken? rezervuar nj? kompjuter t? posa??m
nd?rsa terminet jemi duke i caktuar edhe p?r veprimtar?t
shoq?ror?, organizatat joqeveritare dhe t? gjith? t? interesuarit e
tjer??, shtoi ai. 

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com>
Reply-To: prizren-l at alb-net.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:03:03 -0500 (EST)

> 
>                     --- Prizren-L Discussion Forum ---
>
>I don't think it is functional yet, it should open every day now.  Arben,
>can you give some new information regarding this? Etrit.
>
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 shabanaj at bluewin.ch wrote:
>
>>  
>>                      --- Prizren-L Discussion Forum ---
>> 
>> Hello everybody, I'm new in this list, I've heard, that in Prizren,
>> there is an Internet Cafee?
>> 
>> Is that true?
>> 
>> Thank you for the answer!
>> 
>> Fatmir
>
>
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From rainerholm at t-online.de  Wed Feb 16 13:32:13 2000
From: rainerholm at t-online.de (Rainer Holm)
Date: Wed Feb 16 13:32:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Idea
Message-ID: <12L7Fs-0g83ZQC@fwd02.sul.t-online.de>

hi,
you are now in prishtina?
you maybe go to university there?
or you are maybe a famous person in prishtina?
you know many people there?
do you know Dardan Kurteshi, Afrim Mjekiqi, Shqipe Havolli or fam. Berisha?
you know the streets of Taslishe, Llapi, Dubroniku or Rifata Burgjeviqa?
i'm looking for them.....any chance?
sooy, many questions, hm.....!




From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 14:03:14 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 14:03:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <42.1c31577.25dc4e4d@aol.com>

Hmmmmmmm does anyone know where i can get a translation program for this?

Dennis



From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 14:04:52 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 14:04:52 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prizren-l] Internet-Cafee in Prizren!
Message-ID: <4d.16ad80c.25dc4ead@aol.com>

are private homes able to get telephone and power on a regular basis 
yet?.......are you folks sending E-mail from home?

Dennis



From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Wed Feb 16 15:24:19 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Wed Feb 16 15:24:19 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
References: <20000215165939.33082.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01bf78bb$ccf9be80$6ec428c3@pbncomputer>

hey you mother fucker
you wanna kill some more albanians yeah - it doesn`t look enough to you what
you allready have done?

No you mother fucker it`s our turn now to fucking wipe out all you fucking
filthy serbs from the earth`s face
you fucking are making filthy evry bit of the earth you go
you mother fucker
----- Original Message -----
From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
Cc: <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; <ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>;
<prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:59 PM
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers


> What some Albanians are doing to some Serbs at the moment doesn't even
> remotely compare to State Organised Serb Genocide Against Inocent Kosovan
> Albanian Population. Our state and our government is not doing what you're
> refering to, it's some individuals who as far as I am concerned can even
be
> from Serbia.
>
> So next time you decide to reply think about what you're gonna say. That's
> why you have your brains for. No matter how small they seam to me, I am
sure
> you should have at least a tiny amount of them.
>
> Later,
> Albert
>
>
> >From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> >Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> >To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> >Subject: snipers
> >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:53 +0100
> >
> >Most innocent? i saw it myself in Ohrahovac. I worked 6 months there and
> >saw
> >the albanians killing and raping! where were you?? And just last weekend
> >when KFOR arrested 40 ethnic Albanians, killed one sniper who tried to
kill
> >NATO soldiers. What you mean innocent???
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> >To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:20 PM
> >
> >
> > > You fucking mother fucker. How dare you say such things about the most
> > > inocent people of this world.
> > >
> > > hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
> > > After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and
> >Sinti/Roma
> >it
> > > is
> > > time the world will see how you really are!!!
> > > Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come
there
> >and
> > > kill
> > > a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
> > > ______________________________________________________
> > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Wed Feb 16 16:12:29 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Wed Feb 16 16:12:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
In-Reply-To: "rdelia" <rdelia@ukonline.co.uk>'s message of Wed, 16 Feb 2000 20:23:54 -0000
Message-ID: <27616-38AB12BA-542@storefull-127.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Why are we allowing this kind of langauge on here with these extended
four letter words?


AB

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From klesta at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 16 17:57:26 2000
From: klesta at hotmail.com (Klesta Krasniqi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 17:57:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000216192406.80895.qmail@hotmail.com>

Me te vertet eshte per te ardhur keq se cka kane shkruar. Por si duket disa 
prej atyre qe i shkruajn keto gjera aq edhe dine. Ka mundesi qe keta jane 
ata qe edhe e nisen punen ne malet e Berishes (male ne Kosove), per te cilet 
mendoj se do te duhej te qendrojne atje pasi qe te shkruarit ne qytet ka 
rregulla tjera.

Klesta

p.s. Do te kisha deshiruar qe gjuha ne kete liste te jete letrare pasi qe me 
te vertet po kam problem per te kuptuar, si dhe jam i bindur se edhe ata 
vete qe e shkruajne kan problem t'i gjejne fjalet e para 50 viteve. Ndoshta 
dikush mund te thot shtype "delete", por kjo nuk eshte cka kerkohet ketu 
nese doni te diskutoni.


>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>To: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,  
>prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
>
>Albanian Community UK
>
>Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk
>anoj nga asnjera ane.
>
>
>Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
>
>Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin e
>saj, ku p?r t?
>kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte
>botuar shkrime p?r
>tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r
>"meritat" e saj, pa
>vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq, 
>gjat?
>dhjet? vjet?ve
>t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot?
>propagandistik t?
>politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
>"Rilindja" ishte
>vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
>kultivuar
>"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
>dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
>Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s
>projugosllave t?
>v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan? luftuar
>?do
>tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
>Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?,
>"Rilindja" u
>themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
>th?n? opinionit
>nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta 
>"Rilindja"
>ishte
>sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar e
>profesional, nj?
>servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t? vitit
>1968 dhe 1981
>p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
>"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i Beogradit
>dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
>tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
>shum? t? tjer?.
>Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi
>Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
>Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
>shum? t? tjer?
>nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve p?rcilleshin
>me komente
>nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e
>"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
>lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
>gazeta "Rilindja",
>kund?r Shqip?ris?.
>Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
>arsyetonin nd?rrimet
>kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974 
>dhe
>se
>shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre nd?rrimeve
>censuroheshin.
>"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
>1990, kur ve? pat
>filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave
>1990, t? cilat i
>cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q?
>vrisnin shqiptar?t,
>vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
>Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja",
>p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
>politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese, duke
>qen?
>z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par?
>tani e zinte
>?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t?
>Ushtris? s?
>lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar 
>t'ia
>servirte
>vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
>zhvillonte fushat?
>denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe
>komunikatat e
>Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r
>zgjedhjet n? koh?
>lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
>K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
>saj 55-vje?are.
>Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha fjala
>asnj? mysafiri. A
>thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
>vler?simeve
>pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por 
>para
>s? gjithash e
>atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r?
>inteligjencia jon?, me
>t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e
>tregoi veten para
>dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
>K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
>deridjesh?m t?
>regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se
>"Rilindja"nuk
>b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
>shtrenjt?, askush?"
>Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
>askush nuk
>treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
>Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga
>gjith? nd?rmarrja e
>zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja "Rilindja"
>nuk mund t?
>q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e
>kulturor. Koh?ra
>t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
>P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t? 
>ri,
>me njer?z t?
>rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale. Ajo
>deri sot nuk ishte
>"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj?
>shtyll? e regjimit
>gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t?
>frym?s liridash?se".
>Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t?
>b?het nj? krah i
>fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 18:04:21 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 18:04:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
In-Reply-To: <002a01bf78bb$ccf9be80$6ec428c3@pbncomputer>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002161803330.18937-100000@alb-net.com>

This kind of language is NOT allowed in this list.  

Etrit.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000, rdelia wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> hey you mother fucker
> you wanna kill some more albanians yeah - it doesn`t look enough to you what
> you allready have done?
> 
> No you mother fucker it`s our turn now to fucking wipe out all you fucking
> filthy serbs from the earth`s face
> you fucking are making filthy evry bit of the earth you go
> you mother fucker
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> Cc: <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; <ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>;
> <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 4:59 PM
> Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
> 
> 
> > What some Albanians are doing to some Serbs at the moment doesn't even
> > remotely compare to State Organised Serb Genocide Against Inocent Kosovan
> > Albanian Population. Our state and our government is not doing what you're
> > refering to, it's some individuals who as far as I am concerned can even
> be
> > from Serbia.
> >
> > So next time you decide to reply think about what you're gonna say. That's
> > why you have your brains for. No matter how small they seam to me, I am
> sure
> > you should have at least a tiny amount of them.
> >
> > Later,
> > Albert
> >
> >
> > >From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> > >Reply-To: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> > >To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: snipers
> > >Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 15:16:53 +0100
> > >
> > >Most innocent? i saw it myself in Ohrahovac. I worked 6 months there and
> > >saw
> > >the albanians killing and raping! where were you?? And just last weekend
> > >when KFOR arrested 40 ethnic Albanians, killed one sniper who tried to
> kill
> > >NATO soldiers. What you mean innocent???
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Albert Hyseni <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> > >To: <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> > >Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2000 12:20 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > > You fucking mother fucker. How dare you say such things about the most
> > > > inocent people of this world.
> > > >
> > > > hope the KFOR peace keepers will kill some more Albanians.
> > > > After all the terrible killings you commited against Serbs and
> > >Sinti/Roma
> > >it
> > > > is
> > > > time the world will see how you really are!!!
> > > > Soon the truth will be seen in the world and I would love to come
> there
> > >and
> > > > kill
> > > > a few albanian-islamic terrorists who destroy Europe!
> > > > ______________________________________________________
> > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 18:17:27 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 18:17:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova War on PBS next Tuesday
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002161810350.18937-100000@alb-net.com>

Hi,

there will be a special documentary on the War in Kosova on PBS (Channel
13 in New York, check www.pbs.org for your local station) on Tuesday, Feb
22, 2000 at 10pm.

   10:00  FRONTLINE #1812 -- War In Europe -- Twelve months ago, in the
   skies above Kosovo, NATO went to war -- a war that produced one million
   refugees. This program examines a European war rife with diplomatic
infighting and military stumbling, and features interviews with
refugees, Serb soldiers, and political leaders. (Part 1 of 2) (PBS) (CC) (ST) 

The following story is interesting as well:

IN FOCUS: Dividing Lines
by Sonja Magdevski
http://www.tol.cz/feb00/sonja.html
"An [Albanian] man can have a Macedonian girlfriend, but a woman can't
have a Macedonian boyfriend -- that is a fact," says Nora, a 22-year-old
ethnic Albanian living in Skopje. In TOL's profile, she and her brother
Toni talk about relationships, poverty, and day-to-day living in this
ethnically divided city. 





From burimh at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 16 19:03:09 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Wed Feb 16 19:03:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217000236.28478.qmail@hotmail.com>

Natyrisht, na(sheherlite) do t'parapelqim qi katunarte(si t'penes poashtu 
edhe t'pushkes) ta bine lirine(NATO-n), ktu e t'kthehen neper
katunde e mandej na t'vazdojme t'pime cappuccino rehat.

P.S.
Klesta, po m'vjen keq qi nuk po e perdori gjuhen letrare se kjo gjuhe
s'osht fare letrare po osht toske me aty-ktu naj fjale jo toske, e tuj
qene qi nuk i takoj ktij grupi t'njerzve qi e kane gjuhe t'nanes e as 
t'babes, parapelqej me shkrujte qishtu. Natyrisht s'kom kurgjo kunder gjuhes 
tonde se une t'kuptoj pa kurnifare problemi po osht koha qi edhe ti me u 
mundu me e kuptu kete dialekt.

Tung
Burimi



>From: "Klesta Krasniqi" <klesta at hotmail.com>
>To: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com, albanian_uk at listbot.com,  
>ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU, prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:06 PST
>
>Albanian Community UK
>
>Me te vertet eshte per te ardhur keq se cka kane shkruar. Por si duket disa
>prej atyre qe i shkruajn keto gjera aq edhe dine. Ka mundesi qe keta jane
>ata qe edhe e nisen punen ne malet e Berishes (male ne Kosove), per te 
>cilet
>mendoj se do te duhej te qendrojne atje pasi qe te shkruarit ne qytet ka
>rregulla tjera.
>
>Klesta
>
>p.s. Do te kisha deshiruar qe gjuha ne kete liste te jete letrare pasi qe 
>me
>te vertet po kam problem per te kuptuar, si dhe jam i bindur se edhe ata
>vete qe e shkruajne kan problem t'i gjejne fjalet e para 50 viteve. Ndoshta
>dikush mund te thot shtype "delete", por kjo nuk eshte cka kerkohet ketu
>nese doni te diskutoni.
>
>
>>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
>>To: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
>>prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
>>
>>Albanian Community UK
>>
>>Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
>>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk
>>anoj nga asnjera ane.
>>
>>
>>Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
>>
>>Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin 
>>e
>>saj, ku p?r t?
>>kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte
>>botuar shkrime p?r
>>tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r
>>"meritat" e saj, pa
>>vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq,
>>gjat?
>>dhjet? vjet?ve
>>t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot?
>>propagandistik t?
>>politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
>>"Rilindja" ishte
>>vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
>>kultivuar
>>"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
>>dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
>>Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s
>>projugosllave t?
>>v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan? 
>>luftuar
>>?do
>>tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
>>Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?,
>>"Rilindja" u
>>themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
>>th?n? opinionit
>>nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta
>>"Rilindja"
>>ishte
>>sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar 
>>e
>>profesional, nj?
>>servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t? 
>>vitit
>>1968 dhe 1981
>>p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
>>"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i 
>>Beogradit
>>dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
>>tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
>>shum? t? tjer?.
>>Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi
>>Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
>>Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
>>shum? t? tjer?
>>nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve 
>>p?rcilleshin
>>me komente
>>nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e
>>"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
>>lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
>>gazeta "Rilindja",
>>kund?r Shqip?ris?.
>>Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
>>arsyetonin nd?rrimet
>>kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974
>>dhe
>>se
>>shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre 
>>nd?rrimeve
>>censuroheshin.
>>"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
>>1990, kur ve? pat
>>filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave
>>1990, t? cilat i
>>cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q?
>>vrisnin shqiptar?t,
>>vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
>>Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja",
>>p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
>>politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese, 
>>duke
>>qen?
>>z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par?
>>tani e zinte
>>?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t?
>>Ushtris? s?
>>lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar
>>t'ia
>>servirte
>>vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
>>zhvillonte fushat?
>>denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe
>>komunikatat e
>>Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r
>>zgjedhjet n? koh?
>>lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
>>K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
>>saj 55-vje?are.
>>Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha 
>>fjala
>>asnj? mysafiri. A
>>thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
>>vler?simeve
>>pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por
>>para
>>s? gjithash e
>>atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r?
>>inteligjencia jon?, me
>>t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e
>>tregoi veten para
>>dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
>>K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
>>deridjesh?m t?
>>regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se
>>"Rilindja"nuk
>>b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
>>shtrenjt?, askush?"
>>Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
>>askush nuk
>>treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
>>Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga
>>gjith? nd?rmarrja e
>>zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja 
>>"Rilindja"
>>nuk mund t?
>>q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e
>>kulturor. Koh?ra
>>t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
>>P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t?
>>ri,
>>me njer?z t?
>>rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale. 
>>Ajo
>>deri sot nuk ishte
>>"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj?
>>shtyll? e regjimit
>>gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t?
>>frym?s liridash?se".
>>Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t?
>>b?het nj? krah i
>>fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 20:15:18 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 20:15:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Killed Albanian Did Not Have a Weapon
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002162012310.18937-100000@alb-net.com>

According to this article published in The Washington Post, the French
killed an un-armed Albanian and then said he was a sniper.  Read the
following excerpt:

A film shot by two ethnic Albanian members of an AP
Television crew showed Hajradine a few minutes before
he was shot, while crew members said he was escorting them into a
vacant house. In the film, there was no evidence Hajradine was
carrying a weapon. It shows that he was felled by gunfire on a sidewalk. 

Full story at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/2000-02/16/115l-021600-idx.html




From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 20:52:51 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 20:52:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <31.15e442b.25dcae4c@aol.com>

boy......we can do without this kind of language here.....

Dennnis



From BadCop526 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 21:00:42 2000
From: BadCop526 at aol.com (BadCop526 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 21:00:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <4.12a8b35.25dcb024@aol.com>

will you please remove this email address from the group?

Thanks.....Dennis



From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Wed Feb 16 23:10:27 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:10:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Just Found Great Long Distance Rates!
In-Reply-To: Etrit Bardhi <etrit@alb-net.com>'s message of Wed, 16 Feb 2000
	20:15:16 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8029-38AB7498-1896@storefull-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

If anyone is interested since we all call Albania and Kosova l just
found a service the other day that offers 24 hours a day 7 days a week
these rates for switched service 24 cents to Albania or no switch 27
cents to Albania, for Kosova on switched service the rate is 28 cents
and for no switch it is 31 cents. They also have a calling card for
service and you can get the same rates for celluar if you have one.
There website is:
www.phoneintercom.com/agent/3071.htm

Though this might be of interest to some.
I am not selling it but since l came across it l though l would shared
it.

Me Respect


AB




From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Wed Feb 16 23:13:13 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:13:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Just Found Great Long Distance Rates!
Message-ID: <ab.c56e82.25dccf33@aol.com>

that is a good deal.....hey, i have a question about mail and phone 
service.....how easily am i going to be able to call the family and 
send/receive mail when i come over?

Dennis



From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Wed Feb 16 23:19:45 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:19:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Just Found Great Long Distance Rates!
In-Reply-To: Peacemaker526@aol.com's message of Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:12:35
	EST
Message-ID: <17552-38AB76DC-2720@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Sorry forgot to mention those rates are from the USA to Albania or
Kosova.


Te Fala

AB

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 16 23:22:58 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:22:58 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Just Found Great Long Distance Rates!
In-Reply-To: <8029-38AB7498-1896@storefull-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002162320170.18937-100000@alb-net.com>

Hi, please do not post any commercial ads on this list.  You might not be
an agent of this company, but if people start sending their "i have seen a
cute video store in my neighborhood" messages it might get out of
control...  hope you know what i mean...  Alb-net.com is a non-for-profit
organization...

Etrit.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 LINESMAN at webtv.net wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> If anyone is interested since we all call Albania and Kosova l just
> found a service the other day that offers 24 hours a day 7 days a week
> these rates for switched service 24 cents to Albania or no switch 27
> cents to Albania, for Kosova on switched service the rate is 28 cents
> and for no switch it is 31 cents. They also have a calling card for
> service and you can get the same rates for celluar if you have one.
> There website is:
> www.phoneintercom.com/agent/3071.htm
> 
> Though this might be of interest to some.
> I am not selling it but since l came across it l though l would shared
> it.
> 
> Me Respect
> 
> 
> AB
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________
> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
> 




From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Wed Feb 16 23:37:44 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Wed Feb 16 23:37:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Just Found Great Long Distance Rates!
In-Reply-To: Etrit Bardhi <etrit@alb-net.com>'s message of Wed, 16 Feb 2000
	23:22:57 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <8028-38AB7B15-2714@storefull-122.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Sorry


AB

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From Zenelito at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 00:55:08 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 00:55:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Sulmimi ndaj Raportereve te RTK`s
Message-ID: <33.16f58d8.25dce71a@aol.com>

Seremb Xheryhi hyri dje ne pjesen Veriore te Mitrovices. Aj i intervjoj disa 
Banor te kesaj pjese . Ata ishin nen mbrojtjen e KFORit por prap u sulmuan 
nga disa Grupe serbesh.Ky gazetar e meriton respektin e madh qe hyri ne 
pjesen e veriut dhe na tregoj realitetin ejo si Hashimi te ndalet te Ura e 
Ibrit dhe ti thot Banoreve te Mitrovices se ne menyr Pojitike do ta marrim 
prap kete pjes po si e di un kete e ka thene para disa muajve ,por gjendja po 
behet me Kaotike.
PS:Seremb te ruajt Zoti 
jeni tu e bere Punen te mrekullueshme



From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Thu Feb 17 02:03:15 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Thu Feb 17 02:03:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000217000236.28478.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38AB9EA0.7CC3222@vnet.net>

Burim.
Klesta e ka mir?. Duhet ta p?rdorim gjuhen letrare q? t? kuptotohemi m? mir?.
Gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? toske, por ?sht? gjuh? letrare n? t? cil?n mund t? ket?
p?rqindje m? t? madhe t? dialektit tosk?, por nuk po e bojm? t'madhe. N?se krejt
popujt e kulturuar e kan? nj? gjuh? t? unisuar nuk di pse ne shqiptar?t mos ta
p?rdorim kur e kemi. (Prej vitit '68 n? Kongresin e Gjuhes Shqipe me inciativ?
t? Eqrem Qabejt, Androkli Kostallarit, Idriza Ajetit, Rexhep Qosjes e shum?
gjuhtar?ve tjer? m? t? mir? se une e ti Burim)
K?t? fillozofi t? posht?r, se gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? gjuh? e shqiptar?ve t?
Kosov?s e kan? zbuluar zotrinj?t shkije qe t? ken? alibi p?r at? qe thon?: se
shqiptar?t qe jetojn? n? Shqip?ri nuk jan? t? njejt si shqitar?t qe jetojn? n?
Kosov? por jan? di?ka tjet?r e shum? margaritar? tjer? qe i dini.
Kur ne e miratojm? k?t? pun? t? tyre mos t'shpresojm? shum? se shqiptar?t
ndonj?her? do t? bashkohen.
Edhe di?ka. A ka mund?si mos u p?rlani p?r gj?ra qe nuk i dini. Kush ishte
komunist e kush ishte demokrat e kush hoxh? e kush i ka syt? nd?r  vetllat e
budallakina tjera. Ka koh? edhe p?r to. Leni di?ka edhe p?r historian?t qe t?
studiojn? e ti sjellin gj?rat n? drit?. Filloni t? shikoni pak p?rpara. ?ka
?sht? e kryer nuk ?'kryhet. ?ka kemi me kry mundemi me e ndryshu. Shembuj n?
bot? kemi shum?.

Drini

p.s. Burim kurgjo personale. Jesim shok qysh je kon.

Burim Hana wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> Natyrisht, na(sheherlite) do t'parapelqim qi katunarte(si t'penes poashtu
> edhe t'pushkes) ta bine lirine(NATO-n), ktu e t'kthehen neper
> katunde e mandej na t'vazdojme t'pime cappuccino rehat.
>
> P.S.
> Klesta, po m'vjen keq qi nuk po e perdori gjuhen letrare se kjo gjuhe
> s'osht fare letrare po osht toske me aty-ktu naj fjale jo toske, e tuj
> qene qi nuk i takoj ktij grupi t'njerzve qi e kane gjuhe t'nanes e as
> t'babes, parapelqej me shkrujte qishtu. Natyrisht s'kom kurgjo kunder gjuhes
> tonde se une t'kuptoj pa kurnifare problemi po osht koha qi edhe ti me u
> mundu me e kuptu kete dialekt.
>
> Tung
> Burimi
>
> >From: "Klesta Krasniqi" <klesta at hotmail.com>
> >To: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com, albanian_uk at listbot.com,
> >ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU, prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> >Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:24:06 PST
> >
> >Albanian Community UK
> >
> >Me te vertet eshte per te ardhur keq se cka kane shkruar. Por si duket disa
> >prej atyre qe i shkruajn keto gjera aq edhe dine. Ka mundesi qe keta jane
> >ata qe edhe e nisen punen ne malet e Berishes (male ne Kosove), per te
> >cilet
> >mendoj se do te duhej te qendrojne atje pasi qe te shkruarit ne qytet ka
> >rregulla tjera.
> >
> >Klesta
> >
> >p.s. Do te kisha deshiruar qe gjuha ne kete liste te jete letrare pasi qe
> >me
> >te vertet po kam problem per te kuptuar, si dhe jam i bindur se edhe ata
> >vete qe e shkruajne kan problem t'i gjejne fjalet e para 50 viteve. Ndoshta
> >dikush mund te thot shtype "delete", por kjo nuk eshte cka kerkohet ketu
> >nese doni te diskutoni.
> >
> >
> >>From: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>
> >>To: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
> >>prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >>Subject: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
> >>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:08:44 PST
> >>
> >>Albanian Community UK
> >>
> >>Prej Kosovapress-it. Ju lutem verejeni frymen
> >>anti_cdo-gje_qe_ka_pase_dhe_ka_te_beje_me_Rilidjen_dhe_me_LDKne. Une nuk
> >>anoj nga asnjera ane.
> >>
> >>
> >>Ana tjet?r: Nj? p?rvjetor i palavdish?m
> >>
> >>Prishtin?, 14 shkurt (Kosovapress) - Gazeta "Rilindja" sh?noi 55-vjetorin
> >>e
> >>saj, ku p?r t?
> >>kremtuar kishte mbledhur turlifar? ujemi. N? prag t? p?rvjetorit kishte
> >>botuar shkrime p?r
> >>tradit?n e saj dhe p?rshtypjet e lexuesve p?r k?t? gazet?, vet?m p?r
> >>"meritat" e saj, pa
> >>vler?sime kritike p?r karakterin projugosllav t? k?saj gazete. Nd?kaq,
> >>gjat?
> >>dhjet? vjet?ve
> >>t? fundit "Rilindja", p?rkat?sisht "Bujku", ishte n? sh?rbim t? plot?
> >>propagandistik t?
> >>politik?s kapitulluese, n?nshtruese dhe mashtruese t? LDK-s?. Gazeta
> >>"Rilindja" ishte
> >>vler?suar nga vet? Beogradi si gazeta m? projugosllave, si gazet? q? ka
> >>kultivuar
> >>"patriotizmin jugosllav". Politika redaktuese e "Rilindjes" ka qen? e
> >>dirigjuar nga Komiteti i
> >>Komunist?ve. N? krye t? gazet?s ishin vet?m njer?z besnik? t? politik?s
> >>projugosllave t?
> >>v?llaz?rim-bashkimit. P?rmes shkrimeve e komenteve t? tyre ata kan?
> >>luftuar
> >>?do
> >>tendenc? t? ?lirimit komb?tar.
> >>Gjat? Luft?s s? Drenic?s m? 1945, kur u masakruan mij?ra shqiptar?,
> >>"Rilindja" u
> >>themelua p?r ta trullosur popullin shqiptar n? gjuh?n e tij dhe p?r t?i
> >>th?n? opinionit
> >>nd?rkomb?tar se ja edhe shqiptar?t kan? t? drejtat e tyre! Gazeta
> >>"Rilindja"
> >>ishte
> >>sh?rb?tore e regjimit komunist jugosllav, pa kurrfar? identiteti komb?tar
> >>e
> >>profesional, nj?
> >>servis i thjesht? i TANJUG-ut. Ajo u deklarua kund?r demonstratave t?
> >>vitit
> >>1968 dhe 1981
> >>p?r emancipimin komb?tar. Ato demonstrata u cil?suan nga "Rilindja"
> >>"kund?rrevolucionare", "irredentiste", ashtu si? i cil?soi kreu i
> >>Beogradit
> >>dhe sh?rb?tor?t e
> >>tij Fadil Hoxha, Sinan Hasani, Mahmut Bakalli, Azem Vllasi, Ali Shukria e
> >>shum? t? tjer?.
> >>Pastaj kalemxhinjt? e "Rilindjes", si Beqir Hoti, Isak Hasani, Shemsi
> >>Mehmeti, Haki Hoxha,
> >>Halil Jupa, Rrustem Rugova, Hilmi Syla, Mustafa Rushiti, Nazmi Misini e
> >>shum? t? tjer?
> >>nxinin faqet e saj me antishqiptariz?m. Gjykimet e shqiptar?ve
> >>p?rcilleshin
> >>me komente
> >>nga gazetar?t e "Rilindjes", t? cil?t quheshin "irredentist?"e
> >>"nacionalist?", q? prishnin
> >>lumturin? n? rob?rin? e Titos. Na kujtohet propaganda e f?lliqt?,q? b?nte
> >>gazeta "Rilindja",
> >>kund?r Shqip?ris?.
> >>Gjat? debatit kushtetues m? 1988 n? Kosov?, gazetar?t e "Rilindjes"
> >>arsyetonin nd?rrimet
> >>kushtetuese me pohimet se ruheshin parimet themelore t? Kushtetut?s 1974
> >>dhe
> >>se
> >>shqiptar?t kinse nuk humbin asgj?, nd?rsa shkrimet kund?r k?tyre
> >>nd?rrimeve
> >>censuroheshin.
> >>"Rilindja" n? faqet e saj ka pasur shkrime kund?rshqitpare edhe n? vitin
> >>1990, kur ve? pat
> >>filluar zhb?rja e Jugosllavis?, si? ishin komentet kund?r demonstratave
> >>1990, t? cilat i
> >>cil?sonte me ngjyrime terroriste, nd?rsa "harronte" krimet e polic?ve q?
> >>vrisnin shqiptar?t,
> >>vet?m pse ata k?rkonin t? drejtat komb?tare.
> >>Nd?rkaq, gjat? n?nt? vjet?ve t? fundit, gazeta "Rilindja",
> >>p?rkat?sisht"Bujku", udh?hoqi nj?
> >>politik? redaktuese pacifiste, n?nshtruese, mashtruese e kapitulluese,
> >>duke
> >>qen?
> >>z?dh?n?se e Lidhjes Demokratike t? Kosov?s. Vendin e Titos n? faqen e par?
> >>tani e zinte
> >>?do dit? tash?gimtari i tij Rugova. Madje edhe pas daljes n? sken? t?
> >>Ushtris? s?
> >>lavdishme ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, "Bujku" u mundua q? opinionit shqiptar
> >>t'ia
> >>servirte
> >>vet?m politik?n pacifiste, nd?rsa censuronte q?ndrimet komb?tare dhe
> >>zhvillonte fushat?
> >>denigruese kund?r personaliteteve komb?tare, madje censuronte edhe
> >>komunikatat e
> >>Shtabit t? P?rgjithsh?m t? U?K-s?. Pastaj ajo zhvillonte fushat? p?r
> >>zgjedhjet n? koh?
> >>lufte, q? i l?verdisnin shum? Serbis?.
> >>K?to jan? vet?m disa nga "meritat" e gazet?s "Rilindja" gjat? periudh?s s?
> >>saj 55-vje?are.
> >>Gjat? solemnitetit t? djesh?m me rastin e k?tij p?rvjetori nuk iu dha
> >>fjala
> >>asnj? mysafiri. A
> >>thua dikush iu frikua karakterit t? gazet?s gjat? k?tyre 55 vjet?ve dhe
> >>vler?simeve
> >>pretencioze se "Rilindja" ishte nj? shkoll?, jo vet?m e gazetaris?, por
> >>para
> >>s? gjithash e
> >>atdhedashuris?, ishte shkoll? n?p?r t? cil?n kaluan pothuajse e t?r?
> >>inteligjencia jon?, me
> >>t? cil?n ende mbahet dhe mburret Kosova." V?rtet, inteligjencia jon? e
> >>tregoi veten para
> >>dhe gjat? luft?s se ishte t?r?sisht e skllav?ruar!
> >>K?shtu, ky p?rvjetor b?ri edhe rehabilitimin p?r t? gjith? sh?rb?tor?t e
> >>deridjesh?m t?
> >>regjimit pushtues me vler?simet tep?r himnizuese-" Askush m? shum? se
> >>"Rilindja"nuk
> >>b?ri k?to 55 vjet, askush sa "Rilindja"nuk u tret p?r Kosov?n ton? t?
> >>shtrenjt?, askush
"
> >>Nj?mend askush s'i ka rrejtur m? shum? shqiptar?t se gazeta "Rilindja" dhe
> >>askush nuk
> >>treti gjat? luft?s sa gazetar?t e saj!
> >>Nj? gazet? e till?, ?far? ishte "Rilindja," nuk i duhet m? askujt. Nga
> >>gjith? nd?rmarrja e
> >>zgjeruar "Rilindja", gazeta ishte faqja e zez? e saj. Nd?rmarrja
> >>"Rilindja"
> >>nuk mund t?
> >>q?ndroj? m? si nj? kombinat komunist, q? mban monopolin ideologjik e
> >>kulturor. Koh?ra
> >>t? kaluara e t? mallkuara!
> >>P?r t? mbajtur ajo emrin e vet, nj?mend duhet t? rilind? me organizim t?
> >>ri,
> >>me njer?z t?
> >>rinj, me ide e vizione t? reja, duke b?r? katarz?n shpirt?ror e morale.
> >>Ajo
> >>deri sot nuk ishte
> >>"nj? shtyll? komb?tare, e cila kultivoi identitetin komb?tar, por nj?
> >>shtyll? e regjimit
> >>gjak?sor jugosllav, q? p?rpiqej p?r rr?nimin e qenies shqiptare dhe t?
> >>frym?s liridash?se".
> >>Urojm? q? pas k?tij 55- vjetori "Rilindja" t? nd?rroj? faqe e frym? dhe t?
> >>b?het nj? krah i
> >>fuqish?m i informimit komb?tar shqiptar.
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 04:07:15 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 04:07:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217090643.20740.qmail@hotmail.com>

Drin,

>Klesta e ka mir?. Duhet ta p?rdorim gjuhen letrare q? t? kuptotohemi m? 
>mir?.

Ketu e ke mire edhe ti si Klesta.

>Gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? toske, por ?sht? gjuh? letrare n? t? cil?n mund t? 
>ket?
>p?rqindje m? t? madhe t? dialektit tosk?, por nuk po e bojm? t'madhe.

Megjithese eshte fjala per 99% me te vertete nuk duhet te aktualizohet ky 
problem tash. Elementet te gegerishtes qe kane hyre ne gjuhen e njesuar 
jane:
1. mbiemrat dhe ndajfoljet me -ueshem, (te cilat nese i vini vemendjen 
gjuhes letrare te folur dhe shkruar ne Tirane pothuajse kane dale nga 
perdorimi psh. "njeri i besuar" ne vend te "njeri i besueshem") pastaj
2. peremri i/e vet, natyrisht edhe ky element pothuajse nuk perdoret fare 
(psh. "Bardhi mori canten e tij", ne vend te "Bardhi mori canten e vet")
3. kompromisi mes "?"-se toskerishte dhe hundores "?" gegerishte i zgjidhur 
me "e" ne fjalet si vend, mend (gjithashtu ne te foluren e te shkruaren e 
Tiranes e gjeni me shpesh vi v?nd, m?nd)

hmmm... nuk me kujtohet momentalisht ndonje element tjeter...

>N?se krejt
>popujt e kulturuar e kan? nj? gjuh? t? unisuar nuk di pse ne shqiptar?t mos 
>ta
>p?rdorim kur e kemi.

Mbetet vetem per te diskutuar nese jemi popull i kulturuar.

>(Prej vitit '68 n? Kongresin e Gjuhes Shqipe me inciativ?
>t? Eqrem Qabejt, Androkli Kostallarit, Idriza Ajetit, Rexhep Qosjes e shum?
>gjuhtar?ve tjer? m? t? mir? se une e ti Burim)

Per Eqrem Cabejn e di sigurisht qe nuk ka qene nder ata qe kane marre 
iniciativen, Idriz Ajeti nderkaq ka propozuar vetem dy vite para 68-es nje 
drejtshkrim ne baze te dialektit te Elbasanit (pra ne esence gegerisht) 
Rexhep Qosja nuk eshte gjuhtar (merret me kritike letrare), mbetet vetem 
Kostallari...

>K?t? fillozofi t? posht?r, se gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? gjuh? e shqiptar?ve 
>t?
>Kosov?s e kan? zbuluar zotrinj?t shkije qe t? ken? alibi p?r at? qe thon?: 
>se
>shqiptar?t qe jetojn? n? Shqip?ri nuk jan? t? njejt si shqitar?t qe jetojn? 
>n?
>Kosov? por jan? di?ka tjet?r e shum? margaritar? tjer? qe i dini.

Pikerisht kete argument gjate bombardimeve e kane reviduar rrenjesisht 
shkijet. Sepse ne kohen tone per ta shtrohet problemi keshtu: nese kosovaret 
jane ndryshe atehere qenkan te denje te quhen kombe dhe kesisoji paskan te 
drejte ne pavaresi. Nese jane te njejte atehere nuk jane komb me vete, pra 
jane vetem ceshtje e pakices.

>Kur ne e miratojm? k?t? pun? t? tyre mos t'shpresojm? shum? se shqiptar?t
>ndonj?her? do t? bashkohen.

Kjo shprese te shum shqiptare qe njoh une eshte shnderruar ne frike.

>Edhe di?ka. A ka mund?si mos u p?rlani p?r gj?ra qe nuk i dini. Kush ishte
>komunist e kush ishte demokrat e kush hoxh? e kush i ka syt? nd?r  vetllat 
>e
>budallakina tjera. Ka koh? edhe p?r to. Leni di?ka edhe p?r historian?t qe 
>t?
>studiojn? e ti sjellin gj?rat n? drit?. Filloni t? shikoni pak p?rpara. ?ka
>?sht? e kryer nuk ?'kryhet. ?ka kemi me kry mundemi me e ndryshu. Shembuj 
>n?
>bot? kemi shum?.

Nesi ti Drin mund te vleresosh nese ne i dime gjerat apo jo atehere ti po i 
ditke keto gjera. Te lutem na sqaro atehere se kush ishte komunist e kush jo 
e para se gjithash ua sqaro kete ceshtje atyre te kosovapressit

me respekt
v.
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 17 05:20:22 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 05:20:22 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4E9@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

jollca Sadiku shkroi, ne mes tjerash:
"... Pikerisht kete argument gjate bombardimeve e kane reviduar rrenjesisht 
shkijet. Sepse ne kohen tone per ta shtrohet problemi keshtu: nese kosovaret

jane ndryshe atehere qenkan te denje te quhen kombe dhe kesisoji paskan te 
drejte ne pavaresi. Nese jane te njejte atehere nuk jane komb me vete, pra 
jane vetem ceshtje e pakices."

[Besniku] Mendoj se ky argument nuk qendron aspak. Edhe kurdet jane komb por
kjo nuk ju jep kurrfare legjitimiteti per krijimin e shtetit te tyre, e mos
te permendi shembujt tjere. E drejta e pavaresise dhe shtetformimit eshte
shume me komplekse se sa 'qenja komb'.
Por te kthehemi te argumenti te cilin e permend Drini, se tezen per dy kombe
shqiptare (albanci and shiptari)ne ballkan e kane lansuar serbet, me te
cilen une pajtohem. Qellimi i kesaj propagande ishte qe te priten lidhjet
kulturore mes shqiptareve. Pranimi se ne ballkan ekziston vetrem nje komb
shqiptar, por i ndare, i jep legjitimitet kerkeses se tyre per lidhje te
ngushta kulturore, cka nuk i shkonte per shtati asnjeres parti komuniste ne
te anet e kufirit, nga frika e influences se njerit grup ne tjetrin.
Kosovaret (ti quajme ashtu shqiptaret qe jetonin brenda kufirit jugosllav)
do te influencoheshin nga Shqiptaret (me shkronje te madhe qe flet per
shtetesine e jo perkatesine kombetare) ne aspektin kombetar dhe kultura
shqipe nuk do te asimilohej ne kulturen Jugosllave, kurse Kosovaret do te
benin te pamundur mbylljen hermetike te Shqiperise, sepse hapja ndaj Kosoves
do te thoshte hapje e dritares ne Shqiperi ndaj botes, natyrisht qe kjo nuk
i ka shkuar per shtati qeverise se Hoxhes.
Revidimi i ketij argumenti, nga serbet, gjate bombardimeve eshte rezultat i
shterpesise se argumentit qe ne fillim dhe i pafytyresise se udheheqesise
serbe. Ne kohen kur ata donin te shperngulnin ma se 2 milion njerez dhe ti
dergonin ne Shqiperi, edhe vete serbebt pane se kembengulja ne ekzistimin e
dy kombeve ishte kunder interesave te tyre, prandaj sikur edhe shume here
tjera e ngriten intensitetin e propagandes se Shqiptaret jane nje prandaj
edhe te gjithe duhet te jetojne ne nje shtet (ne Shqiperi, e tu lene Kosoven
atyre)

Por besoj se e vlen me thene se sikur asnje qenrim tjeter serb krahas
shqiptareve as ky nuk ka qene koherent. Serbet gjithmone kane zgjedhe
argumentet qe ju kan shku per shtati ne momente te caktuar, pa u lodhe shume
se a ka logjike ajo cka ata thone. Kjo sjellje eshte rezultat i qellimit te
tyre te hutojne e jo te bindin. 

>Edhe di?ka. A ka mund?si mos u p?rlani p?r gj?ra qe nuk i dini. Kush ishte
>komunist e kush ishte demokrat e kush hoxh? e kush i ka syt? nd?r  vetllat
e
>budallakina tjera. Ka koh? edhe p?r to. Leni di?ka edhe p?r historian?t qe
t?
>studiojn? e ti sjellin gj?rat n? drit?. Filloni t? shikoni pak p?rpara. ?ka
>?sht? e kryer nuk ?'kryhet. ?ka kemi me kry mundemi me e ndryshu. Shembuj
n?
>bot? kemi shum?.

Nesi ti Drin mund te vleresosh nese ne i dime gjerat apo jo atehere ti po i 
ditke keto gjera. Te lutem na sqaro atehere se kush ishte komunist e kush jo

e para se gjithash ua sqaro kete ceshtje atyre te kosovapressit

[Besniku] Edhe ketu pershtypja ime eshte se Drini deshiron te thote se nuk
duhet vleresuar gjerat apriori dhe te perdorim mostra ne vleresimin e
qeshtjeve shume komplekse. 

Teoria se kushdo qe ka jetuar mire ne kohen e komunizmit eshte komunist dhe
prandaj duhet te eliminohet nga jeta politike dhe shoqerore e Kosoves sot,
nuk eshte kurgje e re por nje doktrine e provuar dhe e deshtuar. Kjo
doktrine u zbatue pameshirshem ne Shqiperi ne tere periudhen e pasluftes.

Kerkimi i ideales ne formimin e shtetit te ardhshem te Kosoves eshte i
kuptueshem por jo real. Ne duhet te jemi te vetedijshem se nuk mund ta
ndertojme ardhmerine e Kosoves duke shkaterruar cdo gje qe ekziston atje
vetem e vetem se dikur ka qene nen Qeverisjen Jugosllave dhe komunizem. 
Para se te gjykojme dicka (apo dike) si te mire apo te keqe duhet te marrim
parasyshe kontributin dhe demin qe eshte rezultat i punes se personit apo
institucionit. E vetem pas peshmit me kujdes te ketyre dyjave mund te vijme
ne perfundim se a paska qene i mire apo i keq, por pavaresisht nga ky
velresim nuk mund ta mohojme ekzistencen e tyre, sikur qe gjermanet nuk mund
ta mohojne se Hitleri eshte pjese e historise se tyre sikur qe eshte
Ajnshtajni, etj.

Ne fund sa i perket gjuhes. Gjuha letrare eshte ajo qe eshte definuar te
jete ne Kongresin e Gjuhes, prandaj edhe nuk ka kurrfare dyshimi se cila
eshte gjuha letrare. Sa i perket asaj se sa per qind eshte toske e sa gege
me duket se eshte qeshtje dytesore. Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte plotesisht
valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si i
definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes dhe
internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes letrare
duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere ne
vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne te
gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht ne
rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e gjuhes
duke mohuar trajtat alternative.

Shpresoj se mospajtimi im me idete e ndokujt nuk interpretohet si qendrim
kunder personit ne fjale. 

me shume respekt 

Besnik Grajqevci



From samik at kohaditore.com  Thu Feb 17 05:47:13 2000
From: samik at kohaditore.com (samik at kohaditore.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 05:47:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <00bb01c633bb$2494a4a0$fb00330a@koha>

a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na pranoje si shtet
ju pershendes
Samiu
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 06:05:47 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 06:05:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217110515.36323.qmail@hotmail.com>

Besnik,

Pajtohem me pjesen me te madhe te argumenteve qe sjell...

>besnik.grajqevci:
>Ne fund sa i perket gjuhes. Gjuha letrare eshte ajo qe eshte definuar te
>jete ne Kongresin e Gjuhes, prandaj edhe nuk ka kurrfare dyshimi se cila
>eshte gjuha letrare. Sa i perket asaj se sa per qind eshte toske e sa gege
>me duket se eshte qeshtje dytesore.

Pse qenka dytesore kjo ceshtje? Kam biseduar disa here me njerez te 
pergaditur ne Shqiperi dhe me ka rene te diskutoj rreth temes se gjuhes 
letrare pa e vene ne dyshim parimin kryesor te saj. Dmth kemi diskutuar 
rreth ceshtjeve te vogla te drejtshkrimit, rreth stilit. Sinqerisht jam 
habitur jashte mase kur me thonin se perdorimi i atyre elementeve qe 
zyrtarisht kane hyre nga gegerishtja dhe te cilat i permenda ne mailin e 
kaluar eshte shenje e stilit jo te mire letrar. Do me thene ne njefare 
menyre jane korrekte, por nuk i perdor kush.
Sa i perket sintakses zyrtarisht thuhet se rendi i gjymtyreve ne fjali eshte 
i lire. Megjithate renditja e gjymtyreve sic behet kjo nga "Kosovaret" per 
"Shqiptaret" eshte ne mos jokorrekte, se paku e nje stili te dobet.
Pra ne perdorim vijme te nje perqindje afer njeqindeshit te paster 
toskerisht.
Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e 
perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga 
kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente.

>Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
>fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
>gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte 
>plotesisht
>valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
>mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si i
>definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes dhe
>internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
>terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes letrare
>duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere ne
>vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne 
>te
>gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht ne
>rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e 
>gjuhes
>duke mohuar trajtat alternative.

Keto zhvillime nuk ma merr mendja se mund te ndalen, dirigjohen apo edhe 
vetem te influencohen nga kongreset. Nga ana tjeter ka pasur pune shkencore 
ne kete lemi edhe pas kongresit, por ato kane kaluar pa ndikim.
Te gjitha trajtat e fjaleve nuk mund te hyjne per shkak se nuk ka mundesi te 
nivelizohen ato si sinonime me te njejtin strukture konotative. 
Automatikisht disa prej tyre do te zhvleresohen ne konotacione negative, 
fshatare, provinciale...
Edhe hyrja e fjaleve te huaja nuk mund te pengohet. Per te penguar kete do 
te duhej te kishim nje institucion censure me kushedi sa gjuhetare te 
punesuar, perderisa ministrite e involvuara te kultures e te shkences nuk 
jane ne gjendje te financojne as nje shfaqje teatrore lere me te percjellin 
zhvillimet gjuhesore.

v.
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 07:27:18 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Thu Feb 17 07:27:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217122646.721.qmail@hotmail.com>

Deri para clirimit vet kjo teme o kone tabu ne shoqnine tone bash per shkak 
te faktit se shkijet kane dashte me na nda ne SHIPTARI dhe ALBANCI(pra 
ekzistimin e dy kombeve). Patriotat dhe shpijunat-te dy taborret ne te 
njejten kohe kane trumbetu se diskutimi rreth ksaj cashtje osht tradhti...
E tash po m'doket mo qi koha e tradhtise pra ka kalu e mujme me diskutu 
shlire ket cashtje...
E para: 'Dijetaret' kosovare t'gjuhes shipe s'jon vete hiq! Enveri(mos i 
paste shpirti rahmet) tu e pa qi gjuha e tij osht ma e 'mire' vendos qi edhe 
tjerte duhet me e fole. Dialekti qi folet prej rreth 35%(qitu edhe s'jom i 
sigurte sa % po qaty dikund sillet kjo %) te kombit osht absurd qi te tjeret 
ta msojne...
E dyta: S'don me thone qi osht marre vendimi per ket gjuhe te 'unisume' e me 
met per gjithe. Jo se jeni habit keq! Gjuha osht send i gjalle qi ndrron 
gjithe. Qysh o marre vendimi n'72 qashtu munet me u marre vendim i ri 
n'2004(vetem shembull e mora, se kjo pune munet me u kry edhe ma shpejte :)  
).
Pse more ni plake ma e thjeshte e jugut vec me shkolle fillore me u doke qi 
po e flet gjuhen ma paster se akademiket tone(pasus i vjedhun prej Migjen 
Kelmendit)...
E ju t'kosoves qi mendoni ndyshe e shkruni ndryshe, mos po shkruni ndryshe 
prej asaj qi jeni tu e menue...(menoni pak)
Pse me ju doke juve qi 'ajo gjuhe osht ma e bukur'? S'ka gjuhe ma t'bukur a 
ma t'keqe. Vec duhet me i msu do sene qysh o kriju qikjo 'gjuhe e unisuar'. 
Edhe shume lehte e merrni vesh se sa e bukur osht edhe gjuha e juj. Nisoj si 
ajo e jugut...

nihere qikaq e mvaresisht prej situates shihem apet...
Burim gege-prishtinalia


>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
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>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:05:15 CET
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>Besnik,
>
>Pajtohem me pjesen me te madhe te argumenteve qe sjell...
>
>>besnik.grajqevci:
>>Ne fund sa i perket gjuhes. Gjuha letrare eshte ajo qe eshte definuar te
>>jete ne Kongresin e Gjuhes, prandaj edhe nuk ka kurrfare dyshimi se cila
>>eshte gjuha letrare. Sa i perket asaj se sa per qind eshte toske e sa gege
>>me duket se eshte qeshtje dytesore.
>
>Pse qenka dytesore kjo ceshtje? Kam biseduar disa here me njerez te
>pergaditur ne Shqiperi dhe me ka rene te diskutoj rreth temes se gjuhes
>letrare pa e vene ne dyshim parimin kryesor te saj. Dmth kemi diskutuar
>rreth ceshtjeve te vogla te drejtshkrimit, rreth stilit. Sinqerisht jam
>habitur jashte mase kur me thonin se perdorimi i atyre elementeve qe
>zyrtarisht kane hyre nga gegerishtja dhe te cilat i permenda ne mailin e
>kaluar eshte shenje e stilit jo te mire letrar. Do me thene ne njefare
>menyre jane korrekte, por nuk i perdor kush.
>Sa i perket sintakses zyrtarisht thuhet se rendi i gjymtyreve ne fjali 
>eshte
>i lire. Megjithate renditja e gjymtyreve sic behet kjo nga "Kosovaret" per
>"Shqiptaret" eshte ne mos jokorrekte, se paku e nje stili te dobet.
>Pra ne perdorim vijme te nje perqindje afer njeqindeshit te paster
>toskerisht.
>Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e
>perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
>Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga
>kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente.
>
>>Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
>>fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
>>gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte
>>plotesisht
>>valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
>>mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si i
>>definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes dhe
>>internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
>>terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes letrare
>>duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere ne
>>vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne
>>te
>>gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht ne
>>rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e
>>gjuhes
>>duke mohuar trajtat alternative.
>
>Keto zhvillime nuk ma merr mendja se mund te ndalen, dirigjohen apo edhe
>vetem te influencohen nga kongreset. Nga ana tjeter ka pasur pune shkencore
>ne kete lemi edhe pas kongresit, por ato kane kaluar pa ndikim.
>Te gjitha trajtat e fjaleve nuk mund te hyjne per shkak se nuk ka mundesi 
>te
>nivelizohen ato si sinonime me te njejtin strukture konotative.
>Automatikisht disa prej tyre do te zhvleresohen ne konotacione negative,
>fshatare, provinciale...
>Edhe hyrja e fjaleve te huaja nuk mund te pengohet. Per te penguar kete do
>te duhej te kishim nje institucion censure me kushedi sa gjuhetare te
>punesuar, perderisa ministrite e involvuara te kultures e te shkences nuk
>jane ne gjendje te financojne as nje shfaqje teatrore lere me te percjellin
>zhvillimet gjuhesore.
>
>v.
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 17 07:28:36 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 07:28:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4EC@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Vjollca,

Me vjen mire qe mund te kemi dialog konstruktiv, besoj qe nuk i bezdisim
anetaret e listes me kete diskutim.

Sa i perket asaj qe thua ti:

"Pse qenka dytesore kjo ceshtje? Kam biseduar disa here me njerez te 
pergaditur ne Shqiperi dhe me ka rene te diskutoj rreth temes se gjuhes 
letrare pa e vene ne dyshim parimin kryesor te saj. Dmth kemi diskutuar 
rreth ceshtjeve te vogla te drejtshkrimit, rreth stilit. Sinqerisht jam 
habitur jashte mase kur me thonin se perdorimi i atyre elementeve qe 
zyrtarisht kane hyre nga gegerishtja dhe te cilat i permenda ne mailin e 
kaluar eshte shenje e stilit jo te mire letrar. Do me thene ne njefare 
menyre jane korrekte, por nuk i perdor kush."

Vleresimi i stilit eshte qeshtje e shijes dhe me shume flet per kritikun se
sa per autorin. Prandaj edhe them se eshte dytesore perqindja e njerit apo
dialektit tjeter ne gjuhen letrare.

"Sa i perket sintakses zyrtarisht thuhet se rendi i gjymtyreve ne fjali
eshte 
i lire. Megjithate renditja e gjymtyreve sic behet kjo nga "Kosovaret" per 
"Shqiptaret" eshte ne mos jokorrekte, se paku e nje stili te dobet.
Pra ne perdorim vijme te nje perqindje afer njeqindeshit te paster 
toskerisht.
Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e 
perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga 
kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente."

Nuk mendoj se kjo qendron plotesisht, nje gje eshte qe rruge divergjente te
marre gjuha e dekretuar (me fjale tjera qe rregullat te nderrohen) e tjeter
qe perdorimi i saj te divergjoje nga rregullat.

>Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
>fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
>gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte 
>plotesisht
>valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
>mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si i
>definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes dhe
>internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
>terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes letrare
>duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere ne
>vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne 
>te
>gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht ne
>rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e 
>gjuhes
>duke mohuar trajtat alternative.

"Keto zhvillime nuk ma merr mendja se mund te ndalen, dirigjohen apo edhe 
vetem te influencohen nga kongreset. Nga ana tjeter ka pasur pune shkencore 
ne kete lemi edhe pas kongresit, por ato kane kaluar pa ndikim.
Te gjitha trajtat e fjaleve nuk mund te hyjne per shkak se nuk ka mundesi te

nivelizohen ato si sinonime me te njejtin strukture konotative. 
Automatikisht disa prej tyre do te zhvleresohen ne konotacione negative, 
fshatare, provinciale..."

Edhenjehere pasqyre e botekuptimeve teatij qe i vlereson e aspak mase e
vleres se atij qe i perdor. Pse fshatare, regjionale, krahinore, provinciale
etj. duhet te kene konotacion negativ. Per mua keto terme si dhe shume tjera
nuk kane kurrfare konotacioni apo me mire te them konotacioni varet nga
kontesti. P.sh. Astronauti nuk mund ta mesoje bujkun si punohet toka e as
ky, bujku, te drejtoje biznesin. 

"Edhe hyrja e fjaleve te huaja nuk mund te pengohet. Per te penguar kete do 
te duhej te kishim nje institucion censure me kushedi sa gjuhetare te 
punesuar, perderisa ministrite e involvuara te kultures e te shkences nuk 
jane ne gjendje te financojne as nje shfaqje teatrore lere me te percjellin 
zhvillimet gjuhesore."

Hyrja e fjaleve te huaja as qe duhet te pengohet, por jo qe kjo te sherbeje
si shkak per largimin e fjaleve tona. Sidomos nese dikush kete (futjen e
fjaleve te huaja) e perdor si deshmi te stilit te mire. 

Si duket ne diskutimet rreth gjuhes shpesh po harrojme se gjuha eshte mjet
komunikimi, prandaj edhe qeshtja e stilit varet nga kjo. Nese une perdori
gjuhen te cilen shumica e kuptojne kjo eshte deshmi e stilit te mire
pavaresisht nga ajo se ndoshta bashkebiseduesit e mi do te mendojne se une
jam fshatar apo qytetar.  Ka raste kur stilin, apo dialektin, e vendos tema
e diskutimit, nje liber i shkruar per luften ne Kosove do te kete stil
jashtezakonisht te dobet sikur dialogjet mes protagonisteve do te ishin
shkruar ne gjuhen letrare, sepse kjo nuk eshte gjuha e perditshme e
popullsise ne fjale.

Kurse sa i perket censures jam plotesisht kunder. Pastertia e gjuhes nuk
ruhet me censure, e as pasurimi i saj nuk arrihet me direktiva, por me pune
dhe vetedije me te larte, qe ta evitojme friken nga etiketimet. 
Se cilin stil e perdorim, apo a do te shkruajme konfrom rregullave te gjuhes
se unisuar varet kryesisht nga audienca. 


cdo te mire

Besniku



From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 17 07:28:44 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 07:28:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4ED@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Sami,
 
Mendoj se nuk ka neveoje qe nje teme e filluar te nderrohet qe te filloje
nje tjeter. 
 
Edhe pse pergjegja ne pytjen tende eshte shume komplekse do te mundohen ta
bej nje permledhje sa me te shkurte.
 
Qe bota te na pranojesi shtet duhet te sillemi si shtet.
 
Te sillemi si shtet do te thote respektimi i organeve legjitimeve te shtetit
pavaresisht a na pelqejne ato apo jo dhe pavareisht se a na shkojne per
shtati apo jo. Nese respektimi i institucioneve behet vetem me masen e
pelqyeshmerise (cka duket jete standardi momental, jo vetem ne Kosove por
edhe ne Shqiperi) ateher nuk ka fjale per shtet. 
 
tung dhe cdo te mire 
 
Bersnik Grajqevci

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From: samik at kohaditore.com [mailto:samik at kohaditore.com]
Sent: 17 February 2006 12:09
To: prishtina-l
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane


a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe cfare duhete te behet per
te nxitur boten te na pranoje si shtet
ju pershendes
Samiu

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From zabeli at gmx.de  Thu Feb 17 08:27:41 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Thu Feb 17 08:27:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
References: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4ED@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <32268.950793987@www17.gmx.net>

edhe une jam i mendimit te besnikut;
tema me duket (shpresoj se jo vetem mua) shume interesante dhe diskutuesit
jane tejet ne nivel (sipas mendimit tim). e atyre qe sju pelqen (me m'fale
sami) ose ata qe nuk dine te thojne dicka lidhur me kete teme (si ?ifti jem)
s'ashte e thene me ia ndale turrin bisedes.

me tmira,
shyqa

p.s. besnik, aferim per sqarimin e shkurte e shume te perpikte, se si
duhet te pranohemi si shtet!

> Sami,
>  
> Mendoj se nuk ka neveoje qe nje teme e filluar te nderrohet qe te
> filloje
> nje tjeter. 
>  
> Edhe pse pergjegja ne pytjen tende eshte shume komplekse do te mundohen
> ta
> bej nje permledhje sa me te shkurte.
>  
> Qe bota te na pranojesi shtet duhet te sillemi si shtet.
>  
> Te sillemi si shtet do te thote respektimi i organeve legjitimeve te
> shtetit
> pavaresisht a na pelqejne ato apo jo dhe pavareisht se a na shkojne per
> shtati apo jo. Nese respektimi i institucioneve behet vetem me masen e
> pelqyeshmerise (cka duket jete standardi momental, jo vetem ne Kosove
> por
> edhe ne Shqiperi) ateher nuk ka fjale per shtet. 
>  
> tung dhe cdo te mire 
>  
> Bersnik Grajqevci
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: samik at kohaditore.com [mailto:samik at kohaditore.com]
> Sent: 17 February 2006 12:09
> To: prishtina-l
> Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
> 
> 
> a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe cfare duhete te behet
> per
> te nxitur boten te na pranoje si shtet
> ju pershendes
> Samiu
> 
> 

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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 08:48:18 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Thu Feb 17 08:48:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000217134746.8484.qmail@web3707.mail.yahoo.com>

Pajtohem plotesisht me mendimet e Vjollces. Ndonese
lista e trajtave gramatikore gege te "pranueme" ne
standard qe ajo jep nuk asht shteruese, porosia asht e
qarte. Standardi i bazeum kryesisht ne toskenisht,
gjate ketyne tridhete vjeteve ka shkue drejt izolimit
VETEM ne toskenisht. Ato trajta gege qe permend
Vjollca, jane (tue e) kthye tashma ne mish te huej. Te
njajtin fat po e perjetojne shume fjale qe
identifikohen kryesisht si gege ne leksikun e
standardit. Dmth. nese nuk jane te regjistrit familjar
per standardin ekzistues - largohen prej tij.
Perpjekjet per me fute te reja prej regjistrit tipik
geg, do te deshtojne ponjashtu. 
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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 08:49:23 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Thu Feb 17 08:49:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000217134647.8337.qmail@web3707.mail.yahoo.com>

Pajtohem plotesisht me mendimet e Vjollces. Ndonese
lista e trajtave gramatikore gege te "pranueme" ne
standard qe ajo jep nuk asht shteruese, porosia asht e
qarte. Standardi i bazeum kryesisht ne toskenisht,
gjate ketyne tridhete vjeteve ka shkue drejt izolimit
VETEM ne toskenisht. Ato trajta gege qe permend
Vjollca, jane (tue e) kthye tashma ne mish te huej. Te
njajtin fat po e perjetojne shume fjale qe
identifikohen kryesisht si gege ne leksikun e
standardit. Dmth. nese nuk jane te regjistrit familjar
per standardin ekzistues - largohen prej tij.
Perpjekjet per me fute te reja prej regjistrit tipik
geg, do te deshtojne ponjashtu. 
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 09:00:30 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:00:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217135955.73952.qmail@hotmail.com>

Besnik,

>besnik.grajqevci:
>Me vjen mire qe mund te kemi dialog konstruktiv, besoj qe nuk i bezdisim
>anetaret e listes me kete diskutim.
>
>Sa i perket asaj qe thua ti:
>
>"Pse qenka dytesore kjo ceshtje? Kam biseduar disa here me njerez te
>pergaditur ne Shqiperi dhe me ka rene te diskutoj rreth temes se gjuhes
>letrare pa e vene ne dyshim parimin kryesor te saj. Dmth kemi diskutuar
>rreth ceshtjeve te vogla te drejtshkrimit, rreth stilit. Sinqerisht jam
>habitur jashte mase kur me thonin se perdorimi i atyre elementeve qe
>zyrtarisht kane hyre nga gegerishtja dhe te cilat i permenda ne mailin e
>kaluar eshte shenje e stilit jo te mire letrar. Do me thene ne njefare
>menyre jane korrekte, por nuk i perdor kush."
>
>Vleresimi i stilit eshte qeshtje e shijes dhe me shume flet per kritikun se
>sa per autorin. Prandaj edhe them se eshte dytesore perqindja e njerit apo
>dialektit tjeter ne gjuhen letrare.

Paj ndoshta eshte dashur te shtoja se ata "Shqiptare" qe kam pasur rastin 
t'i pyes kane permendur punen e stilit vetem atehere kur kam kerkuar te 
japin detaje, zakonisht ne shikim te pare thone se kane veshtiresi te medha 
per te kuptuar gjuhen e shkruar ne Kosove, pra gjuhen letrare, pa e ditur se 
prej nga vijne keto veshtiresi. Ata qe kane formim nga gramatika atehere 
edhe mund ta zberthejne e te thone sintaksa e percudnuar apo dicka te 
ngjashme. Mirepo si qenka sintaksa e percudnuar kur zyrtarisht eshte rendi i 
lire i gjymtyreve ne fjali? Ku jane keqkuptimet?

>
>"Sa i perket sintakses zyrtarisht thuhet se rendi i gjymtyreve ne fjali
>eshte
>i lire. Megjithate renditja e gjymtyreve sic behet kjo nga "Kosovaret" per
>"Shqiptaret" eshte ne mos jokorrekte, se paku e nje stili te dobet.
>Pra ne perdorim vijme te nje perqindje afer njeqindeshit te paster
>toskerisht.
>Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e
>perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
>Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga
>kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente."
>
>Nuk mendoj se kjo qendron plotesisht, nje gje eshte qe rruge divergjente te
>marre gjuha e dekretuar (me fjale tjera qe rregullat te nderrohen) e tjeter
>qe perdorimi i saj te divergjoje nga rregullat.

Mirepo sot eshte situata qe nuk kemi instance dekretuese, (shyqyr zotit nuk 
kemi diktator) pra rregullat revidohen prej vete folesve - e kam fjalen ne 
radhe te pare per folesit intelektuale. E ne kete mes mjafton te divergjoje 
perdorimi. Sepse edhe nese qysh ne rregullat e 72tes eshte lene hapesire per 
perdorim te dyfishte te elementeve nga te dy dialektet kryesore, sot njeri 
element ka rene nga perdorimi dhe ka fituar konotacione, e ato konotacione 
jane poaq rregulla gjuhesore sa edhe rregullat e dekretuara.

> >Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
> >fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
> >gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte
> >plotesisht
> >valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
> >mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si 
>i
> >definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes 
>dhe
> >internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
> >terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes 
>letrare
> >duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere 
>ne
> >vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne
> >te
> >gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht 
>ne
> >rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e
> >gjuhes
> >duke mohuar trajtat alternative.
>
>"Keto zhvillime nuk ma merr mendja se mund te ndalen, dirigjohen apo edhe
>vetem te influencohen nga kongreset. Nga ana tjeter ka pasur pune shkencore
>ne kete lemi edhe pas kongresit, por ato kane kaluar pa ndikim.
>Te gjitha trajtat e fjaleve nuk mund te hyjne per shkak se nuk ka mundesi 
>te
>
>nivelizohen ato si sinonime me te njejtin strukture konotative.
>Automatikisht disa prej tyre do te zhvleresohen ne konotacione negative,
>fshatare, provinciale..."
>
>Edhenjehere pasqyre e botekuptimeve teatij qe i vlereson e aspak mase e
>vleres se atij qe i perdor. Pse fshatare, regjionale, krahinore, 
>provinciale
>etj. duhet te kene konotacion negativ. Per mua keto terme si dhe shume 
>tjera
>nuk kane kurrfare konotacioni apo me mire te them konotacioni varet nga
>kontesti. P.sh. Astronauti nuk mund ta mesoje bujkun si punohet toka e as
>ky, bujku, te drejtoje biznesin.
>
>"Edhe hyrja e fjaleve te huaja nuk mund te pengohet. Per te penguar kete do
>te duhej te kishim nje institucion censure me kushedi sa gjuhetare te
>punesuar, perderisa ministrite e involvuara te kultures e te shkences nuk
>jane ne gjendje te financojne as nje shfaqje teatrore lere me te percjellin
>zhvillimet gjuhesore."
>
>Hyrja e fjaleve te huaja as qe duhet te pengohet, por jo qe kjo te sherbeje
>si shkak per largimin e fjaleve tona. Sidomos nese dikush kete (futjen e
>fjaleve te huaja) e perdor si deshmi te stilit te mire.
>
>Si duket ne diskutimet rreth gjuhes shpesh po harrojme se gjuha eshte mjet
>komunikimi, prandaj edhe qeshtja e stilit varet nga kjo. Nese une perdori
>gjuhen te cilen shumica e kuptojne kjo eshte deshmi e stilit te mire
>pavaresisht nga ajo se ndoshta bashkebiseduesit e mi do te mendojne se une
>jam fshatar apo qytetar.  Ka raste kur stilin, apo dialektin, e vendos tema
>e diskutimit, nje liber i shkruar per luften ne Kosove do te kete stil
>jashtezakonisht te dobet sikur dialogjet mes protagonisteve do te ishin
>shkruar ne gjuhen letrare, sepse kjo nuk eshte gjuha e perditshme e
>popullsise ne fjale.
>
>Kurse sa i perket censures jam plotesisht kunder. Pastertia e gjuhes nuk
>ruhet me censure, e as pasurimi i saj nuk arrihet me direktiva, por me pune
>dhe vetedije me te larte, qe ta evitojme friken nga etiketimet.
>Se cilin stil e perdorim, apo a do te shkruajme konfrom rregullave te 
>gjuhes
>se unisuar varet kryesisht nga audienca.

Pse po ta merr mendja qe mund te arrihet dicka me vetedija te larte nese 
deri tash nuk ka funksionuar kurre. Edhe njesimi eshte bere jo me vetedije 
te larte por me dekret.
Pikerisht te audinca desha te shtoja se mund te verehet e njejta divergjence 
si te "Kosovaret" ashtu dhe te "Shqiptaret". Psh "Kosovaret" e kane te 
veshtire per te kuptuar gazetat "Shqiptare" me plot italianizma (nje nga 
stereotipet), ndersa "Shqiptaret" e kane te veshtire per t'i kuptuar gazetat 
"Kosovare" me sintakse te "percudnuar" (nje nga stereotipet)...

E perkrah Burimin qe e shkruan ashtu si e shkruan duke qene e bindur se 
veshtiresia per ta kuptuar nuk do te jete me e madhe se e letrares se 
hartuar nga nje "Kosovar", megjithese divergjenca morfologjike mund te duket 
me e madhe.

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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 09:06:36 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:06:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000217140454.83668.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Ilir Berisha:
>Pajtohem plotesisht me mendimet e Vjollces. Ndonese
>lista e trajtave gramatikore gege te "pranueme" ne
>standard qe ajo jep nuk asht shteruese, porosia asht e
>qarte.

Ma perkujto nje cike, cilat i kam harruar se nuk m'u kujtuan per dreq...

v.
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From avukpalaj at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 09:10:01 2000
From: avukpalaj at hotmail.com (Ardian Vukpalaj)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:10:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Sandro Pertini
Message-ID: <20000217140849.15932.qmail@hotmail.com>

Shkatrrim total ...deshtim i zibidise.......
Ardi
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu Feb 17 09:22:38 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:22:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <015801bf7963$00d140a0$59acf880@xyz.uic.edu>

>Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e
>perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
>Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga
>kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente.


nese e doni nje mendim nga nje tosk :)
gjuha letrare e perdorur ne kosove eshte krejt per se mbari, ne sensin qe
nuk duket e dobet nga stili; tosket qe thone ndryshe jane paksa te paditur -
dhe e kane gabim;

natyrisht, i kisha ca verejtje; per shembull, ne drejtshkrim, pse i hiqet
prapashtesa 'vi?' serbeve dhe zevendesohet me 'viq'? shume shpesh ne te
shkruarin tuaj zevendesohet 'q' me '?' dhe anasjelltas;

verejtje tjeter eshte per shembull zevendesimi i prapashteses 'ues' me
'ator' si ne serbisht; (programator - programues, realizator - realizues;)
prapashtesa 'ues' mua me duket gege, tosket me perpara perdornin 'onjes'
(mesues - mesonjes) qe tani e kane zevendesuar me 'ues' (me sa duket
perfundimisht);

i mirepres dhe verejtjet qe ju mund te keni per mua - ose per te gjithe ne
te ketej kufirit; po them ne fund se shqipja ka disa dialekte, dhe
toskerishtja vete ka disa dialekte; nuk di a keni degjuar ndonjehere te
foluren e korces; eshte me larg nga shqipja letrare sesa gegerishtja;




From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 09:43:37 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:43:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217144120.35302.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te lumte goja mor Albi,

>Albi Qeli:
>nese e doni nje mendim nga nje tosk :)
>gjuha letrare e perdorur ne kosove eshte krejt per se mbari, ne sensin qe
>nuk duket e dobet nga stili; tosket qe thone ndryshe jane paksa te paditur 
>-
>dhe e kane gabim;

Sikur te ishin te gjithe si puna jote. Shpresoj qe nuk po e ve ne dyshim 
aftesine time per te gjykuar nese e vlen te merret parasysh mendimi i 
"toskeve" qe citove me pare. Pervec kesaj ata per te cilet fola jo domosdo 
ishin toske: ishin shtetas shqiptar, kryesisht nga Tirana dhe para se 
gjithash te arsimuar.

>natyrisht, i kisha ca verejtje; per shembull, ne drejtshkrim, pse i hiqet
>prapashtesa 'vi?' serbeve dhe zevendesohet me 'viq'? shume shpesh ne te
>shkruarin tuaj zevendesohet 'q' me '?' dhe anasjelltas;

Eshte e veshtire per ne te dallojme mes "q" e "?". Tek emrat serbe kjo behet 
per shkak se ne origjinal keta emra shkruhen me q te bute.

>
>verejtje tjeter eshte per shembull zevendesimi i prapashteses 'ues' me
>'ator' si ne serbisht; (programator - programues, realizator - realizues;)
>prapashtesa 'ues' mua me duket gege, tosket me perpara perdornin 'onjes'
>(mesues - mesonjes) qe tani e kane zevendesuar me 'ues' (me sa duket
>perfundimisht);

Keta shembuj qe sjell ti duket te jene me ndikim te drejtperdrejt nga 
serbishtja.
Nuk thuhet me "punonjesit e ndermarrjes"?

me respekt

v.
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From gugja at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 09:53:16 2000
From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI)
Date: Thu Feb 17 09:53:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lexo kete Burim Hana!!!
Message-ID: <20000217145237.78018.qmail@hotmail.com>

        Ndoshta familja jote e ka endru Shqiperine si parajes e ju ka
mbete gjuha e par gjuha shqipe.Du me te tregu diqka qe ndoshta e din
e ndoshta se din:Kur jan nisur burrat Kosovar per ne Tivar kane kalu
neper Shqiperi,prej kufirit Kosove-Shqiperi e deri Shqiperi-Mal i zi
jan vra 1000 burra prej vet shqipetarve.Me ket deshta me thone se
nese e ki pase dikon te aferm qe i ka shpetu masakres se Shqiperise e
te Tivari aje ka mujt me te tregu se qka eshte Shqiperja.
      Kosovarve nuk ka mujte shkau me ja ndru gjuhen jo pse kam besu
ne "parajsen shqipeni" po qe jan djeg prej asaj shqipnie.
      Edhe diqka merre e ndigo kengen e Dervish Shaqes,kenge ne vjeter
me qiftelija "OJ KOSOV? KUR TA KTHEVA SHPINDEN E LASH BOR E E GJETA
DIMER".
      Kete e kam shkru vetem se nuk me pelqej qe i kishe shkru asaj
vajze qe "mos me pa endru ne parajsen shqiperi Kosovarte gjuhen e
pare e kishin pas shkinishten".
      Tung e kalofsh mire.
        Nga Arianiti.
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 17 10:05:24 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 10:05:24 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4F1@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Vjollca,

Pajtohem me ty plotesisht qe diskutimi rreth kesaj teme nuk eshte aq i
thjeshte dhe te gjitha aspektet e problemit nuk mund te preken me dy-tri
postime. Une vetem shtrova vrojtimet e mia. 

Per te gjithe

Marre parasyve qi ky muhabet po zg'jatet e druhna mos po merzis tjer't, ktu
n'liste, bile tuj e marre parasyve qi muhabeti i matutjeshem eshte laryshi
ne t'njajten teme, une nuk po e zg'jati ma teper.

Kam ymyt si nuk ma merr per te keq.

Duke marre parasyshe se ky diskutim po zgjatet dhe ekziston rreziku se do
t'i bezdisi anetaret tjere te listes, sidomos nese kemi parasyshe se
diskutimi i metejme eshte variacion ne te njejten teme, une nuk do vazhdoj
me tutje.

Mbaj shprese se nuk ma merrni per te keq.

Besniku

P.S. Kete porosi e shkrova ne te dy dialektet qe numer sa me i madh i
pjesemarresve te me kuptojne.


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Besnik,

>besnik.grajqevci:
>Me vjen mire qe mund te kemi dialog konstruktiv, besoj qe nuk i bezdisim
>anetaret e listes me kete diskutim.
>
>Sa i perket asaj qe thua ti:
>
>"Pse qenka dytesore kjo ceshtje? Kam biseduar disa here me njerez te
>pergaditur ne Shqiperi dhe me ka rene te diskutoj rreth temes se gjuhes
>letrare pa e vene ne dyshim parimin kryesor te saj. Dmth kemi diskutuar
>rreth ceshtjeve te vogla te drejtshkrimit, rreth stilit. Sinqerisht jam
>habitur jashte mase kur me thonin se perdorimi i atyre elementeve qe
>zyrtarisht kane hyre nga gegerishtja dhe te cilat i permenda ne mailin e
>kaluar eshte shenje e stilit jo te mire letrar. Do me thene ne njefare
>menyre jane korrekte, por nuk i perdor kush."
>
>Vleresimi i stilit eshte qeshtje e shijes dhe me shume flet per kritikun se
>sa per autorin. Prandaj edhe them se eshte dytesore perqindja e njerit apo
>dialektit tjeter ne gjuhen letrare.

Paj ndoshta eshte dashur te shtoja se ata "Shqiptare" qe kam pasur rastin 
t'i pyes kane permendur punen e stilit vetem atehere kur kam kerkuar te 
japin detaje, zakonisht ne shikim te pare thone se kane veshtiresi te medha 
per te kuptuar gjuhen e shkruar ne Kosove, pra gjuhen letrare, pa e ditur se

prej nga vijne keto veshtiresi. Ata qe kane formim nga gramatika atehere 
edhe mund ta zberthejne e te thone sintaksa e percudnuar apo dicka te 
ngjashme. Mirepo si qenka sintaksa e percudnuar kur zyrtarisht eshte rendi i

lire i gjymtyreve ne fjali? Ku jane keqkuptimet?

>
>"Sa i perket sintakses zyrtarisht thuhet se rendi i gjymtyreve ne fjali
>eshte
>i lire. Megjithate renditja e gjymtyreve sic behet kjo nga "Kosovaret" per
>"Shqiptaret" eshte ne mos jokorrekte, se paku e nje stili te dobet.
>Pra ne perdorim vijme te nje perqindje afer njeqindeshit te paster
>toskerisht.
>Kesisoji per shumicen e njerezve te pergaditur ne Shqiperi gjuha letrare e
>perdorur ne Kosove eshte e ngathte dhe e dobet nga stili.
>Pra faktet dalin kesisoji: cfaredo gjuhe e njesuar qe te jete dekretuar nga
>kongresi i drejtshkrimit ajo serish ka marre rruge divergjente."
>
>Nuk mendoj se kjo qendron plotesisht, nje gje eshte qe rruge divergjente te
>marre gjuha e dekretuar (me fjale tjera qe rregullat te nderrohen) e tjeter
>qe perdorimi i saj te divergjoje nga rregullat.

Mirepo sot eshte situata qe nuk kemi instance dekretuese, (shyqyr zotit nuk 
kemi diktator) pra rregullat revidohen prej vete folesve - e kam fjalen ne 
radhe te pare per folesit intelektuale. E ne kete mes mjafton te divergjoje 
perdorimi. Sepse edhe nese qysh ne rregullat e 72tes eshte lene hapesire per

perdorim te dyfishte te elementeve nga te dy dialektet kryesore, sot njeri 
element ka rene nga perdorimi dhe ka fituar konotacione, e ato konotacione 
jane poaq rregulla gjuhesore sa edhe rregullat e dekretuara.

> >Gjuha eshte gjalle dhe ajo pasurohet me
> >fjale te reja e (fatkeqesisht) disa fjale vdesin, prandaj debati se kjo
> >gjuhe (lettrare) duhet te kete me shume terma gege apo toske shte
> >plotesisht
> >valid. Eshte fakteqesi qe gjuha letrare eshte definuar ne Kongresin e
> >mbajtur para sa dekadave dhe eshte supozuar se kjo mjafton. A thua se si 
>i
> >definon gjuha lettrare termet e perdorura ne lamine e kompjuteristikes 
>dhe
> >internetit, e natyrisht jane edhe shume e shume lami tjera ne te cilat
> >terminologjia zhvillohet. Puna shkencore rreth definimit te gjuhes 
>letrare
> >duhet te jete pune e vazhduar dhe rezultatet te publikohen bile njehere 
>ne
> >vit. Natyrisht se nuk shoh asgje te keqe sikur brenda kesaj gjuhe te hyne
> >te
> >gjitha trajtat e fjaleve. Cuce, vajze, qike, vashe etj. jane plotesisht 
>ne
> >rregull. Kishja pase deshire te ndegjoj argumentimin per varferimin e
> >gjuhes
> >duke mohuar trajtat alternative.
>
>"Keto zhvillime nuk ma merr mendja se mund te ndalen, dirigjohen apo edhe
>vetem te influencohen nga kongreset. Nga ana tjeter ka pasur pune shkencore
>ne kete lemi edhe pas kongresit, por ato kane kaluar pa ndikim.
>Te gjitha trajtat e fjaleve nuk mund te hyjne per shkak se nuk ka mundesi 
>te
>
>nivelizohen ato si sinonime me te njejtin strukture konotative.
>Automatikisht disa prej tyre do te zhvleresohen ne konotacione negative,
>fshatare, provinciale..."
>
>Edhenjehere pasqyre e botekuptimeve teatij qe i vlereson e aspak mase e
>vleres se atij qe i perdor. Pse fshatare, regjionale, krahinore, 
>provinciale
>etj. duhet te kene konotacion negativ. Per mua keto terme si dhe shume 
>tjera
>nuk kane kurrfare konotacioni apo me mire te them konotacioni varet nga
>kontesti. P.sh. Astronauti nuk mund ta mesoje bujkun si punohet toka e as
>ky, bujku, te drejtoje biznesin.
>
>"Edhe hyrja e fjaleve te huaja nuk mund te pengohet. Per te penguar kete do
>te duhej te kishim nje institucion censure me kushedi sa gjuhetare te
>punesuar, perderisa ministrite e involvuara te kultures e te shkences nuk
>jane ne gjendje te financojne as nje shfaqje teatrore lere me te percjellin
>zhvillimet gjuhesore."
>
>Hyrja e fjaleve te huaja as qe duhet te pengohet, por jo qe kjo te sherbeje
>si shkak per largimin e fjaleve tona. Sidomos nese dikush kete (futjen e
>fjaleve te huaja) e perdor si deshmi te stilit te mire.
>
>Si duket ne diskutimet rreth gjuhes shpesh po harrojme se gjuha eshte mjet
>komunikimi, prandaj edhe qeshtja e stilit varet nga kjo. Nese une perdori
>gjuhen te cilen shumica e kuptojne kjo eshte deshmi e stilit te mire
>pavaresisht nga ajo se ndoshta bashkebiseduesit e mi do te mendojne se une
>jam fshatar apo qytetar.  Ka raste kur stilin, apo dialektin, e vendos tema
>e diskutimit, nje liber i shkruar per luften ne Kosove do te kete stil
>jashtezakonisht te dobet sikur dialogjet mes protagonisteve do te ishin
>shkruar ne gjuhen letrare, sepse kjo nuk eshte gjuha e perditshme e
>popullsise ne fjale.
>
>Kurse sa i perket censures jam plotesisht kunder. Pastertia e gjuhes nuk
>ruhet me censure, e as pasurimi i saj nuk arrihet me direktiva, por me pune
>dhe vetedije me te larte, qe ta evitojme friken nga etiketimet.
>Se cilin stil e perdorim, apo a do te shkruajme konfrom rregullave te 
>gjuhes
>se unisuar varet kryesisht nga audienca.

Pse po ta merr mendja qe mund te arrihet dicka me vetedija te larte nese 
deri tash nuk ka funksionuar kurre. Edhe njesimi eshte bere jo me vetedije 
te larte por me dekret.
Pikerisht te audinca desha te shtoja se mund te verehet e njejta divergjence

si te "Kosovaret" ashtu dhe te "Shqiptaret". Psh "Kosovaret" e kane te 
veshtire per te kuptuar gazetat "Shqiptare" me plot italianizma (nje nga 
stereotipet), ndersa "Shqiptaret" e kane te veshtire per t'i kuptuar gazetat

"Kosovare" me sintakse te "percudnuar" (nje nga stereotipet)...

E perkrah Burimin qe e shkruan ashtu si e shkruan duke qene e bindur se 
veshtiresia per ta kuptuar nuk do te jete me e madhe se e letrares se 
hartuar nga nje "Kosovar", megjithese divergjenca morfologjike mund te duket

me e madhe.

v.
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Thu Feb 17 10:09:35 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 10:09:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fakultetet e Univerzitetit te Prishtines
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Un ju kuisha lut qe te me ndihoni me informacion se cilat fakultet egzistojn ne Univerzitetin e Prishtines.

Kjo do te ishte ndihm e madhe per ne qe planifikojm te kthehemi e te studjom ne atdhe.

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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 11:05:15 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 11:05:15 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
Message-ID: <20000217160424.13785.qmail@hotmail.com>

Besnik,

>besnik.grajqevci:
>Pajtohem me ty plotesisht qe diskutimi rreth kesaj teme nuk eshte aq i
>thjeshte dhe te gjitha aspektet e problemit nuk mund te preken me dy-tri
>postime. Une vetem shtrova vrojtimet e mia.

Ti pajtohesh me mua rreth dickaje qe une si duket e paskam thene ne menyre 
implicite, meqe nuk jam koshiente ta kem formuluar mendimin ne ate menyre 
sic po pajtohesh ti.

>Per te gjithe
>
>Marre parasyve qi ky muhabet po zg'jatet e druhna mos po merzis tjer't, ktu
>n'liste, bile tuj e marre parasyve qi muhabeti i matutjeshem eshte laryshi
>ne t'njajten teme, une nuk po e zg'jati ma teper.
>
>Kam ymyt si nuk ma merr per te keq.
>
>Duke marre parasyshe se ky diskutim po zgjatet dhe ekziston rreziku se do
>t'i bezdisi anetaret tjere te listes, sidomos nese kemi parasyshe se
>diskutimi i metejme eshte variacion ne te njejten teme, une nuk do vazhdoj
>me tutje.

Me vend e ke kete verejtje. Une vetem do shtoja se me mungoi nje kontribut 
prej Klestes, e cila me sa me kujtohet na beri keshtu corape.

v.
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Thu Feb 17 11:09:02 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Thu Feb 17 11:09:02 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
In-Reply-To: <20000217144120.35302.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10002170952370.559258-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

> >verejtje tjeter eshte per shembull zevendesimi i prapashteses 'ues' me
> >'ator' si ne serbisht; (programator - programues, realizator - realizues;)
> >prapashtesa 'ues' mua me duket gege, tosket me perpara perdornin 'onjes'
> >(mesues - mesonjes) qe tani e kane zevendesuar me 'ues' (me sa duket
> >perfundimisht);
> 
> Keta shembuj qe sjell ti duket te jene me ndikim te drejtperdrejt nga 
> serbishtja.
> Nuk thuhet me "punonjesit e ndermarrjes"?

a-ha; e pata shkruar ate shembull me pare por e fshiva se eshte
vertet pune e ngaterruar e nuk dua t'i ngaterroj gjerat; 

punetor-punonjes duket se eshte perjashtim nga rregulli; pothuaj asnjehere
nuk thuhet 'punues'; gjithmone perdoren fjalet 'punetor' ose 'punonjes';
vec kesaj, fjala 'punonjes' ka marre nje kuptim te ndryshem nga
'punetor'; 'punetor' eshte fjale me e 'rruges' keshtu te them;
'punonjesit' duket se jane me 'te fisem' sesa 'punetoret'; per shembull,
edhe ministrat edhe pastruesit e ministrive jane punonjes ne ministri;
pastruesit jane edhe 'punetore' edhe 'punonjes' kurse ministrat nuk jane
'punetore' porse jane 'punonjes' te ministrise; fjala 'punetor' perdoret
djithashtu per te thene se dikush nuk eshte kurrsesi dembel; fjala
punonjes nuk e ka ate kuptim;   

po ashtu prapashtesa 'tar' 'tor' perdoret ne shqipe letrare, nuk eshte
prapashtese e paligjshme; me duket se perdoret per te formuar emra te rinj
nga emra te tjere; per shembull: shkrim -> shkrimtar, rroge -> rrogetar,
farke -> farketar, flete -> fletore, etj; per te formuar emra nga foljet,
prapashtesa e zakonshme eshte 'ues', dhe jo 'tar' ose 'tor'; realizoj ->
realizues (dhe jo realizator ose realizimtar); 

shendet,




From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 17 11:15:36 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu Feb 17 11:15:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
In-Reply-To: <32268.950793987@www17.gmx.net>
References:  <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4ED@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <v04003a01b4d1cebc150c@[216.254.26.136]>

> Te sillemi si shtet do te thote respektimi i organeve legjitimeve te
> shtetit
> pavaresisht a na pelqejne ato apo jo dhe pavareisht se a na shkojne per
> shtati apo jo. Nese respektimi i institucioneve behet vetem me masen e
> pelqyeshmerise (cka duket jete standardi momental, jo vetem ne Kosove
> por
> edhe ne Shqiperi) ateher nuk ka fjale per shtet.

Sipas kesaj edhe diktatura, edhe okupimi duhet te respektohen.

Mendoj se duhesh me e riformulue kete perkufizim.

Tung,
Besniku





From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 17 11:22:32 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 17 11:22:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
In-Reply-To: <20000217160424.13785.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002171118590.405-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

More milet, 

sa e komplikume gramatika e gjuhes shqipe! ;))

tung
- Sander 


On Thu, 17 Feb 2000, Vjollca Sadiku wrote:

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> 
> Besnik,
> 
> >besnik.grajqevci:
> >Pajtohem me ty plotesisht qe diskutimi rreth kesaj teme nuk eshte aq i
> >thjeshte dhe te gjitha aspektet e problemit nuk mund te preken me dy-tri
> >postime. Une vetem shtrova vrojtimet e mia.
> 
> Ti pajtohesh me mua rreth dickaje qe une si duket e paskam thene ne menyre 
> implicite, meqe nuk jam koshiente ta kem formuluar mendimin ne ate menyre 
> sic po pajtohesh ti.
> 
> >Per te gjithe
> >
> >Marre parasyve qi ky muhabet po zg'jatet e druhna mos po merzis tjer't, ktu
> >n'liste, bile tuj e marre parasyve qi muhabeti i matutjeshem eshte laryshi
> >ne t'njajten teme, une nuk po e zg'jati ma teper.
> >
> >Kam ymyt si nuk ma merr per te keq.
> >
> >Duke marre parasyshe se ky diskutim po zgjatet dhe ekziston rreziku se do
> >t'i bezdisi anetaret tjere te listes, sidomos nese kemi parasyshe se
> >diskutimi i metejme eshte variacion ne te njejten teme, une nuk do vazhdoj
> >me tutje.
> 
> Me vend e ke kete verejtje. Une vetem do shtoja se me mungoi nje kontribut 
> prej Klestes, e cila me sa me kujtohet na beri keshtu corape.
> 
> v.
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Feb 17 12:25:45 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 12:25:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4F2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

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        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l

>> Te sillemi si shtet do te thote respektimi i organeve legjitimeve te
>> shtetit
>> pavaresisht a na pelqejne ato apo jo dhe pavareisht se a na shkojne per
>> shtati apo jo. Nese respektimi i institucioneve behet vetem me masen e
>> pelqyeshmerise (cka duket jete standardi momental, jo vetem ne Kosove
>> por
>> edhe ne Shqiperi) ateher nuk ka fjale per shtet.

>Sipas kesaj edhe diktatura, edhe okupimi duhet te respektohen.

[Besniku] Konkludimi yt mund edhe te jete i drejte, varesisht nga ajo se si
interpretohet deklarimi im. 

>Mendoj se duhesh me e riformulue kete perkufizim.

[Besniku] Mendoj se duhet ta sqaroj kete perkufizim, prandaj edhe po
mundohem ta bej kete.
Sqarimi kryesor qendron ne fjalet "organeve legjitime" te shtetit. Jam i
vetedijshem se kjo mund te nise debatin e pafund se cka percakton
legjitimitetin e organeve shtetnore, por nese nisemi nga perkufizmi se
organet legjitime te shtetit jane ato te zgjedhura me shumicen e votave ne
zgjedhjet demokratike atehere automatikisht nenkuptohet qe diktatura dhe
okupimi nuk jane organe legjitime te shtetit.

Shpresoj se ky sqarim mjafton.

Tung gjithashtu
Besniku ( Grajqevci, per me evitu hutine, ne rast se dikush krijon
pershtypjen se Besniku flet vet me veti)

Tung,
Besniku



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From burimh at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 17 13:12:55 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Thu Feb 17 13:12:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lexo kete Burim Hana!!!
Message-ID: <20000217181222.31652.qmail@hotmail.com>

Ti je tu fole per dicka qi ka ndodhe para 50 vjetve!
E 'parajsa Shipni' osht mendu qi osht kriju mbas luftes e gjate qeverisjes 
se xhaxhit Enver, e plot burra kane ike prej kosoves n'shipni po shumica 
kane perfundu n'burgje t'shipnise...

hajde ejvalla nihere
Burimi


>From: "ARIANIT MATOSHI" <gugja at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Lexo kete Burim Hana!!!
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:52:36 GMT
>
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>        Ndoshta familja jote e ka endru Shqiperine si parajes e ju ka
>mbete gjuha e par gjuha shqipe.Du me te tregu diqka qe ndoshta e din
>e ndoshta se din:Kur jan nisur burrat Kosovar per ne Tivar kane kalu
>neper Shqiperi,prej kufirit Kosove-Shqiperi e deri Shqiperi-Mal i zi
>jan vra 1000 burra prej vet shqipetarve.Me ket deshta me thone se
>nese e ki pase dikon te aferm qe i ka shpetu masakres se Shqiperise e
>te Tivari aje ka mujt me te tregu se qka eshte Shqiperja.
>      Kosovarve nuk ka mujte shkau me ja ndru gjuhen jo pse kam besu
>ne "parajsen shqipeni" po qe jan djeg prej asaj shqipnie.
>      Edhe diqka merre e ndigo kengen e Dervish Shaqes,kenge ne vjeter
>me qiftelija "OJ KOSOV? KUR TA KTHEVA SHPINDEN E LASH BOR E E GJETA
>DIMER".
>      Kete e kam shkru vetem se nuk me pelqej qe i kishe shkru asaj
>vajze qe "mos me pa endru ne parajsen shqiperi Kosovarte gjuhen e
>pare e kishin pas shkinishten".
>      Tung e kalofsh mire.
>        Nga Arianiti.
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From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Thu Feb 17 13:16:47 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Thu Feb 17 13:16:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] IOWA Man Needs Translator for Kosovar Families
In-Reply-To: besnik.grajqevci@bt.com's message of Thu, 17 Feb 2000 16:55:34
	-0000
Message-ID: <16428-38AC3AED-1291@storefull-126.bryant.webtv.net>

A Iowa man needs a translator for 10 Kosovar Families that have
resettled in the Cedar Rapids,Iowa area. If there are any students from
Kosova or Albania or others that are near Cedar Rapids that can help him
email him direst at:

dowtyne at prodigy.net


Me Respect




From iberisha at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 13:31:08 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Thu Feb 17 13:31:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000217183017.29321.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>

> >Ilir Berisha:
> >Pajtohem plotesisht me mendimet e Vjollces. Ndonese
> >lista e trajtave gramatikore gege te "pranueme" ne
> >standard qe ajo jep nuk asht shteruese, porosia
> asht e
> >qarte.
> 
> Ma perkujto nje cike, cilat i kam harruar se nuk m'u
> kujtuan per dreq...
> 
> v.
> 

Nuk asht se i ke harrue. Thjesht nuk i ke integrue
mbasi poenta jote nuk ka qene me ba listen shteruese
te 
njatyne pak elementeve gege ne morfologjine e
standardit.
Kam parasysh ketu edhe mbiemnat e tipit "i lemuet", "i
shtruet", " i hapet" per te cilet edhe vete Kostallari
(po, i vetmi me ndikim direkt ne variantin standard qe
thue ti) e pranon se kane ngjyrim semantik te tjetert
prej atyne te trajtes "i lemuar", "i hapun"...
Po tue qene (si duket) trajta kryekeput gege, vec nji
pjese e vogel e tyne u integrue ne standard: "i
hapet", dhe per ma shum, s'para perdoren :)
Prandej ndonese standardi (gjithnji simbas rregullave
te caktueme ne fillimet e tij) sugjeron "i verber", e
jo "i verbet", une nuk e has kund te paren...

E njajta mundet me u thane per ato pak huazime prej
turqishtes qe u pranuen ne standard me theks oksiton e
paraoksiton. Toskenishtja tregon primje per te parin,
gegnisthja per te dytin, sic dihet.
Sot "kafja", "baba", "pasha" (pra do nder fjalet e
pakta me theks paraoksiton te pranueme ne standard),
jane gjithqysh nenrenditese ndaj atyne me theks
oksiton (kafeja, babai, pashai). Une nuk e kuptoj
logjiken e pranimit te nji grupi te kufizuem te
turqizmave me varintin paraoksiton krahas atij
oksiton, dhe lanien anash te te tjereve (c'parim asht
ndjeke?), njikohesisht nuk pranoj se pranimi i te te
dyja formave kish me krijue fare problemi. Ne Tirane
p.sh. folesi i njejte here thote "bakllave-a", here
"bakllava-ja"...
kur munden me bashkejetue ne idiolektin e njajte, pse
nuk munden ne standard???

As une nuk po mundohem me e shterue listen e
elementeve (domosdo triviale) gege ne standardin
ekzistues. Po, elementet gege jane vecse nji kozmetike
e lehte ne standard, dhe po, pajtohem me Vjollcen,
nese edhe jane pranue si parim, ato sot jane tue u
zhduke prej standardit te shkruem. Prandej, nese ka
pase nji ecje te standardit per keta 30 vjet, ajo asht
drejt shkrimjes se matejme ne strukturen gramatikore
te toskenishtes... ai,pra, po bahet ma i larget per
geget.




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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 17 13:34:53 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Thu Feb 17 13:34:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000217183421.11735.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>

> >Ilir Berisha:
> >Pajtohem plotesisht me mendimet e Vjollces. Ndonese
> >lista e trajtave gramatikore gege te "pranueme" ne
> >standard qe ajo jep nuk asht shteruese, porosia
> asht e
> >qarte.
> 
> Ma perkujto nje cike, cilat i kam harruar se nuk m'u
> kujtuan per dreq...
> 
> v.
> 

Nuk asht se i ke harrue. Thjesht nuk i ke integrue
mbasi poenta jote nuk ka qene me ba listen shteruese
te 
njatyne pak elementeve gege ne morfologjine e
standardit.
Kam parasysh ketu edhe mbiemnat e tipit "i lemuet", "i
shtruet", " i hapet" per te cilet edhe vete Kostallari
(po, i vetmi me ndikim direkt ne variantin standard qe
thue ti) e pranon se kane ngjyrim semantik te tjetert
prej atyne te trajtes "i lemuar", "i hapun"...
Po tue qene (si duket) trajta kryekeput gege, vec nji
pjese e vogel e tyne u integrue ne standard: "i
hapet", dhe per ma shum, s'para perdoren :)
Prandej ndonese standardi (gjithnji simbas rregullave
te caktueme ne fillimet e tij) sugjeron "i verber", e
jo "i verbet", une nuk e has kund te paren...

E njajta mundet me u thane per ato pak huazime prej
turqishtes qe u pranuen ne standard me theks oksiton e
paraoksiton. Toskenishtja tregon primje per te parin,
gegnisthja per te dytin, sic dihet.
Sot "kafja", "baba", "pasha" (pra do nder fjalet e
pakta me theks paraoksiton te pranueme ne standard),
jane gjithqysh nenrenditese ndaj atyne me theks
oksiton (kafeja, babai, pashai). Une nuk e kuptoj
logjiken e pranimit te nji grupi te kufizuem te
turqizmave me varintin paraoksiton krahas atij
oksiton, dhe lanien anash te te tjereve (c'parim asht
ndjeke?), njikohesisht nuk pranoj se pranimi i te te
dyja formave kish me krijue fare problemi. Ne Tirane
p.sh. folesi i njejte here thote "bakllave-a", here
"bakllava-ja"...
kur munden me bashkejetue ne idiolektin e njajte, pse
nuk munden ne standard???

As une nuk po mundohem me e shterue listen e
elementeve (domosdo triviale) gege ne standardin
ekzistues. Po, elementet gege jane vecse nji kozmetike
e lehte ne standard, dhe po, pajtohem me Vjollcen,
nese edhe jane pranue si parim, ato sot jane tue u
zhduke prej standardit te shkruem. Prandej, nese ka
pase nji ecje te standardit per keta 30 vjet, ajo asht
drejt shkrimjes se matejme ne strukturen gramatikore
te toskenishtes... ai,pra, po bahet ma i larget per
geget.




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From grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de  Thu Feb 17 14:32:29 2000
From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Gezim RUGOVA)
Date: Thu Feb 17 14:32:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje pyetje...
Message-ID: <38AC4D42.46016902@rumms.uni-mannheim.de>

A mund te thote dikush me shume se cka u be me rrjeten mobile te
Alkatelit ne Kosove. Nje here ka qene ne pyetje nje termin per fillim te
shkurtit dhe me nuk kam ndegjuar gje.

Pastaj edhe nje pyetje tjeter nga kurreshtja: pasi qe hyrja do te jete
++377..., a do te thote kjo se telefonimi ne Kosove do te jete ne tarif
te Monakos (do te ishte super se psh. nga Gjermania  do te telefonohej
vetem me 24 Pf / min. qe eshte 75% me lire se momentalishte nepermjet te
prefiksit 381).

Pershend.
Gezimi
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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Thu Feb 17 15:23:06 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Thu Feb 17 15:23:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
References: <00bb01c633bb$2494a4a0$fb00330a@koha>
Message-ID: <00f201bf7984$d27e4dc0$67e186d4@pbncomputer>

Qe bota te na pranoj si shtet pikesepari ne duhet ta formojme shtetin - e me sa po me duket mua me qita politikanet tone te sodit (Rugova, Thaqa, Surroja...) puna e formimit te shtetit s`eshte askund e lere me njohja nga shtetet tjera.  Mitrovica ne shkuarje e siper, kush vjen pastaj?  territoret shqiptare po shkojne drejt daljes jashta kufijve ...

Rama
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  From: samik at kohaditore.com 
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  Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:09 PM
  Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane


  a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
  cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na pranoje si shtet
  ju pershendes
  Samiu
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Thu Feb 17 15:41:13 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 17 15:41:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <8.1627622.25ddb6c6@aol.com>

Per Politikan pak ma ngadale se kemi ende disa se din te na dirixhojn nga 
Perendimi.Mos te ishin keta Lugatat si pershembull Hashim shum pune ekishte 
Rregullin e vet,por ran keta Njerz dhe u desht qe te hupmi krejt Intuticionet 
qe i  kishmi ndertuar dhjet vitet e fundit dhe tash ja fillojm prej Zeros,por 
kjo zerjo e jon do te zxhat gjat se neve do te na nevoitet shume Kohe qe te 
mundemi te marremi vendimet vet por besoj mbas Zyhedhjeve do te na letsohet 
puna dhe ata cungat ti hjekmi nga dera



From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 17 15:54:16 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu Feb 17 15:54:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: nje teme e re sa mos me thane
In-Reply-To:  <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A94040DF4F2@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <v04003a02b4d20b8943ec@[216.254.26.136]>

At 4:55 PM +0000 2/17/00, besnik.grajqevci at bt.com wrote:
>Sqarimi kryesor qendron ne fjalet "organeve legjitime" te shtetit. Jam i
>vetedijshem se kjo mund te nise debatin e pafund se cka percakton
>legjitimitetin e organeve shtetnore, por nese nisemi nga perkufizmi se
>organet legjitime te shtetit jane ato te zgjedhura me shumicen e votave ne
>zgjedhjet demokratike atehere automatikisht nenkuptohet qe diktatura dhe
>okupimi nuk jane organe legjitime te shtetit.

OK. Por problemi eshte se ne Kosove nuk ka organe te shteterore te
zgjedhura me vote ne zgjedhje demokratike. (Kjo lidhet me pergjigjen ndaj
pyetjes fillestare.)

Tung,
Besniku (tjeter)






From dardan at prishtina.com  Thu Feb 17 16:18:29 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu Feb 17 16:18:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Miqt=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB_e_Sllob=EB?=s
Message-ID: <200002171433.AA6291770@prishtina.com>

Sipas nj? raporti t? agjencis? beogradase t? lajmeve ?Beta?, n? kongresin e SPSs? s? Milosheviqit n? Beograd, kishte edhe mysafir?. N? kongresin e partis?, udh?heqja e s? cil?s ?sht? p?rgjegj?se p?r vitet e masakrave dhe spastrimeve etnike t? kryera nga aparati shtet?ror serb ndaj popujve t? tjer? n? rajonin e ishJugosllavis?, si mysafir? kan? shkuar delegacioni i Partis? Popullore Socialiste (parti opozitare malaziase e udh?hequr nga bashk?pun?tori i ngusht? i Milosheviqit Momir Bulatoviq) e majta ?jugosllave? ?JUL? (e udh?hequr nga bashk?shortja e Milosheviqit, Mira Markoviq) dhe delegacioni i Partis? Radikale Serbe t? ekstremistit Vojisllav Sheshel, e cila ishte e udh?hequr nga radikali serb i Bosnj?s, Nikola Poplashen. Radh?s s? p?rkrah?sve t? politik?s fashiste t? Milosheviqit iu bashkuan, si? raporton ?Beta?, edhe ?p?rfaq?suesit e Inicativ?s Demokratike t? Kosov?s, t? Partis? Popullore t? Kosov?s, t? Partis? Reformiste Demokratike t? Turqve, t? Partis? s? Re Komuniste t? Jugosllavis?, Sindikat?s s? Bashkuar t? Serbis?, t? LSHLN?s? dhe t? Lidhjes s? Patriot?ve t? Jugosllavis??. M? tej, Beta pohon se i akuzuari p?r krime lufte, Slobodan Milosheviq, ?i p?rsh?ndeti edhe p?rfaq?suesit e lart? t? partive dhe l?vizjeve popullore nga m? shum? se 50 vende, n? mesin e t? cil?ve jan? edhe p?rfaq?sues t? partive komuniste t? Kin?s, Rusis?, Kub?s, Danimark?s, Qipros, Austris?, Holand?s dhe t? disa vendeve t? tjera?. Sipas Bet?s, n? kongresin e SPSs? kan? shkuar ?86 delegacione nga 57 vende?, n? mesin e t? cilave jan? edhe ?p?rfaq?suesit e PASOKut grek?. Agjencia beogradase e lajmeve pohon se n? kongresin e Milosheviqit si mysafir? jan? prezent? edhe ?p?rfaq?suesit e Partis? p?r t? Drejtat e Njeriut t? Shqip?ris? si dhe t? Partis? Ekologjike t? Shqip?ris??.





From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Thu Feb 17 17:14:07 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Thu Feb 17 17:14:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Pervjtori i Rilindjes
References: <20000217090643.20740.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38AC6E6D.8179DE85@vnet.net>



Vjollca Sadiku wrote:

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> >Gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? toske, por ?sht? gjuh? letrare n? t? cil?n mund t?
> >ket?
> >p?rqindje m? t? madhe t? dialektit tosk?, por nuk po e bojm? t'madhe.
>
> Megjithese eshte fjala per 99% me te vertete nuk duhet te aktualizohet ky
> problem tash. Elementet te gegerishtes qe kane hyre ne gjuhen e njesuar
> jane:
> 1. mbiemrat dhe ndajfoljet me -ueshem, (te cilat nese i vini vemendjen
> gjuhes letrare te folur dhe shkruar ne Tirane pothuajse kane dale nga
> perdorimi psh. "njeri i besuar" ne vend te "njeri i besueshem") pastaj
> 2. peremri i/e vet, natyrisht edhe ky element pothuajse nuk perdoret fare
> (psh. "Bardhi mori canten e tij", ne vend te "Bardhi mori canten e vet")
> 3. kompromisi mes "?"-se toskerishte dhe hundores "?" gegerishte i zgjidhur
> me "e" ne fjalet si vend, mend (gjithashtu ne te foluren e te shkruaren e
> Tiranes e gjeni me shpesh vi v?nd, m?nd)
>
> hmmm... nuk me kujtohet momentalisht ndonje element tjeter...
>

Vjollca. Pajtohem plot?sisht me ty. Por faji nuk ?sht? i gjuh?s apo dialektit
99% tosk, por i atyre qe e p?rdorin keq. Si p.sh. RTV i Shqip?ris? qe ?sht?
medium kryesor deri tani p?r t? gjith? shqiptar?t, qe n? vend t? sintaks?s
shqipe e p?rdorin sintaks?n greke, italiane, sllave e nuk di ?ka tjet?r, mos t?
flasim p?r z?vend?simin e fjal?ve shqipe me fjal? t? huaja t? cilat duhet t?
jemi poliglot qe ti kuptojm?.

>
> >N?se krejt
> >popujt e kulturuar e kan? nj? gjuh? t? unisuar nuk di pse ne shqiptar?t mos
> >ta
> >p?rdorim kur e kemi.
>
> Mbetet vetem per te diskutuar nese jemi popull i kulturuar.

Po mundohemi t? jemi.

>
>
> >(Prej vitit '68 n? Kongresin e Gjuhes Shqipe me inciativ?
> >t? Eqrem Qabejt, Androkli Kostallarit, Idriza Ajetit, Rexhep Qosjes e shum?
> >gjuhtar?ve tjer? m? t? mir? se une e ti Burim)
>
> Per Eqrem Cabejn e di sigurisht qe nuk ka qene nder ata qe kane marre
> iniciativen, Idriz Ajeti nderkaq ka propozuar vetem dy vite para 68-es nje
> drejtshkrim ne baze te dialektit te Elbasanit (pra ne esence gegerisht)

Prej Shqip?ris? p?rfaq?sues ishin E. Qabej, A. Kostallari, Jup Kastrati etj.
Prej Kosov?s R. Qosja, I. Ajeti etj.
Prej Malit t? Zi Bahri Brisku, Ismaij Doda, etj.
Prej Maqedonis? Remzi Nesini e nuk po m'kujtohen tjer?t, mos t'gaboj.
P?rfaq?suesit e t? gjitha trevave shqiptare u pajtuan qe t? jet? nj? gjuh? p?r
t? gjith?, dhe kjo ishte e vetmja e mir? qe u b? n? koh?n e komunizmit

Rexhep Qosja nuk eshte gjuhtar (merret me kritike letrare) !!??!!??
Qe t? merret dikush me kritik? letrare duhet qe t? jet? gjuhtar. Une nuk mundem
me u mar? me kritik? kritik? letrare.

> >K?t? fillozofi t? posht?r, se gjuha letrare nuk ?sht? gjuh? e shqiptar?ve
> >t?
> >Kosov?s e kan? zbuluar zotrinj?t shkije qe t? ken? alibi p?r at? qe thon?:
> >se
> >shqiptar?t qe jetojn? n? Shqip?ri nuk jan? t? njejt si shqitar?t qe jetojn?
> >n?
> >Kosov? por jan? di?ka tjet?r e shum? margaritar? tjer? qe i dini.
>
> Pikerisht kete argument gjate bombardimeve e kane reviduar rrenjesisht
> shkijet. Sepse ne kohen tone per ta shtrohet problemi keshtu: nese kosovaret
> jane ndryshe atehere qenkan te denje te quhen kombe dhe kesisoji paskan te
> drejte ne pavaresi. Nese jane te njejte atehere nuk jane komb me vete, pra
> jane vetem ceshtje e pakices.
>

Nuk jemi dy kombe por jemi komb i ndar?. Pas konferenc?s s? Shen Stefanit 1877
pas dobsimit t? duksh?m t? perandoris? osmane, nj? pjes? iu dha Serbis?, nj?
pjes? Greqis?, Plava, Gusia, Ulqini iu dhan Malit t? Zi. E me Paqen e Versajit u
ratifikuan kufinjt? e Shqip?ris? se coptuar qe mbeti deri n? dit?t e sotme. Pra
ndoshta gaboj n? data se nuk jam as historian por nj? gj? ?sht? shum? e sigurt
se ne nuk jemi dy popuj por jemi vet?m NJ?.

>
> >Kur ne e miratojm? k?t? pun? t? tyre mos t'shpresojm? shum? se shqiptar?t
> >ndonj?her? do t? bashkohen.
>
> Kjo shprese te shum shqiptare qe njoh une eshte shnderruar ne frike.

N?se veprojm? si nj? komb, nuk ka arsye p?r frik?. Por si po veprojm?, jo qe
shendrohet si frig? por Utopi.

>
>
> >Edhe di?ka. A ka mund?si mos u p?rlani p?r gj?ra qe nuk i dini. Kush ishte
> >komunist e kush ishte demokrat e kush hoxh? e kush i ka syt? nd?r  vetllat
> >e
> >budallakina tjera. Ka koh? edhe p?r to. Leni di?ka edhe p?r historian?t qe
> >t?
> >studiojn? e ti sjellin gj?rat n? drit?. Filloni t? shikoni pak p?rpara. ?ka
> >?sht? e kryer nuk ?'kryhet. ?ka kemi me kry mundemi me e ndryshu. Shembuj
> >n?
> >bot? kemi shum?.
>
> Nesi ti Drin mund te vleresosh nese ne i dime gjerat apo jo atehere ti po i
> ditke keto gjera. Te lutem na sqaro atehere se kush ishte komunist e kush jo
> e para se gjithash ua sqaro kete ceshtje atyre te kosovapressit
>

As une nuk i di gj?rat. ".... qe nuk i dini"  po e z?vend?soj me  "... nuk i
dim?". sakt?sisht.  Ka koh?.
Sa p?r Kosovapressin nuk kam pse une ata ti informoj e t'iu sqaroj se kush ?ka
?sht? e ?ka ishte. Ata duhen vet qe ti masin gj?rat para se ti publikojn?. Kjo
rregull vlen? p?r t? gjitha agjencit? e informimit n? bot?.

>
> me respekt
> v.
>

Me respekt
d.


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From etrit at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 17 19:20:30 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Thu Feb 17 19:20:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Life in Mitrovica
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002171918450.18937-100000@alb-net.com>

In Divided Kosovo Town, Life Goes On Among Soldiers And Tanks 
               
By Claire Snegaroff 

With their satchels on their backs, a group of Serb children in this tense
and divided town leave school under the watchful eyes of French
soldiers. Just 100 meters (yards) away on the central bridge, a
British soldier issues a sniper alert.

Read the full story at:
http://www.centraleurope.com/features.php3?id=135540




From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 17 21:55:23 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu Feb 17 21:55:23 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
In-Reply-To: <20000217183017.29321.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a00b4d24fe923f4@[216.254.26.136]>

Tung,

si pjesemarres ne listat shqiptare te Internetit per gati pese vjet, po ju
kallezoj se dy tema gjithmone kane ngjalle diskutime te pasionuara e shpesh
here konfrontuese: feja dhe gjuha. Por me pelqen fakti se ceshtja e gjuhes,
ne kete liste diskutohet ne menyre me konstruktive.

Sa i perket gjuhes letrare, eshte interesant se si thirrjet per
rishqyrtimin e gjuhes letrare kane ardhe me shume nga veriu i Shqiperise
(kryesisht Shkodra) se sa nga Kosova. Ne Kosove, nga te gjithe gjuhetaret
me te njohur, asnjeri s'e perkrah rishqyrtimin e gjuhes. Idriz Ajeti p.sh.
eshte nje nga perkrahesit me te flakte te gjuhes letrare dhe eshte kunder
cfaredo rishqyrtimi. Po ju ra ne dore ndonje kopje e revistes Gjuha Shqipe
(botim i Institutit Albanologjik te Prishtines), do te shihni se sa
konservatore jane qendrimet qe botohen ne te lidhur me gjuhen letrare. Me
sa di une, i vetmi individ me me renome ne Kosove qe nga ngritur problemin
e gjuhes eshte shkrimtari Migjen Kelmendi. Me fjale te tjera, problemi i
gjuhes nuk eshte vetem problem Kosove-Shqiperi.

Vjollca shume mire vuri ne dukje se ne te vertete, rregullat e gjuhes
letrare jane shume me fleksibile se sa normat e perdorimit ne praktike.
P.sh., pervec renditjes se lire te fjaleve, ne fjalorin e gjuhes shqipe
(1980) mund te gjesh fjalet qe ne Kosove perdoren shume shpesh ne te folme:
keqyr, qaty, qatje, kurse ne shkrim formal nuk perdoren gati kurre. Se ku
eshte burimi i kesaj shmangieje prej trajtave te perdorura ne te folme
eshte pyetje shume interesante. Sido qe te jete, duket se ne shume raste,
ne pyetje jane me shume raportet shoqerore (veri-jug, Shqiperi-Kosove,
qytetar-fshatar, intelektual-"njeri i thjesht") se sa rregullat e gjuhes.

Ceshtja e dyte qe u vu ne dukje eshte fakti se jane krijuar dallime edhe ne
perdorimin e vete gjuhes letrare ne Shqiperi dhe Kosove. Kam pershtypjen se
ne Shqiperi ekziston nje vullnet me i madh per te eksperimentuar me gjuhen
(qe ka anet e mira e te keqija te saj). Ne Kosove, trajtat e shkruara nuk
kane ndryshuar shume nga 1970-at, e ato pak ndryshime qe jane bere jane
imitime te stileve te reja te perdorura ne Shqiperi. A eshte kjo sepse
autoret kosovare ndjejne inferioritet ndaj atyre te Shqiperise, se ndjejne
se nuk e zotojne gjuhen aq sa qe te kene guximin per te futur ndonje trajte
te re, apo se kane mungese kreativiteti, nuk di.

Sidoqofte, mendoj se nxitimi per ta shpalle gjuhen e sotme letrare te
pavlere nuk eshte produktiv. Zgjidhja nuk eshte ndryshimi i gjuhes me
dekret. Mendoj se kjo gjuhe, e tille cfare eshte, eshte tejet e ngulitur ne
ndergjegjen e shqiptareve qe krejt standardi i gjuhes te nderrohet shpejt e
pa probleme. Mendimi im personal eshte qe cdo ndryshim (formal) te behet
perbrenda kornizave te gjuhes ekzistuese. P.sh. mund te pasurohet leksiku,
si dhe te lejohen trajta nga gegnishtja (si p.sh. paskajorja) apo trajta te
tjera qe tani quhen trajta krahinore (dhe si te tilla konsiderohet se kane
vlere me te vogel). Ne te njejten kohe mendoj se duhet te ringjallet
gegnishtja letrare, te kodifikohet e te lejohet (tolerohet) perdorimi i
saj, qofte edhe zyrtar, qofte edhe paralel, sic ka qene praktika e kohes se
paraluftes dhe e patrioteve te Rilindjes.  Gegnishtja letrare eshte tejet e
lene pas dore qe sot per sot te paraqet alternative viabile ndaj gjuhes se
sotme letrare. Adhuruesit e kesaj trajte te shkruar, ne vend se te cojne
pluhur e te shpenzojne energji ne zbulimin e "fajtorit" per gjuhen e sotme,
le te formojne shoqata e institute qe merren me levrimin dhe perpunimin e
kesaj variante te shqipes, le te botojne doracake per drejtshkrim e
rregulla gramatikore, le ta perhapin perdorimin e kesaj variante.
Bashkejetesa e dy variantave te shkruara e te folura te shqipes --
kuptohet, dy "supervariantave", sepse ka shume e shume varianta lokale e
krahinore -- pa shkaktuar fragmentim politik, shoqeror dhe kombetar, do te
ishte testi me i madh i pluralizmit shqiptar.

Ne fund kam nje pyetje per pjesemarresit e ketij diskutimi. A mund te me
referoni libra dhe autore qe kane trajtuar me ceshtjen e gjuhes letrare
(pro dhe kunder), pervec, natyrisht, doracaket e botuar nga Instituti i
Gjuhesise i Tiranes, Arshi Pipes, Migjen Kelmendit dhe nje gjuhetari tjeter
nga Kosova i cili ka botuar nje apologji per gjuhen letrare, emri i te
cilit nuk po me kujtohet momentalisht. Do t'ju isha shume mirenjohes.

Besniku





From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 06:26:03 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 06:26:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218112436.90257.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te dashur,

Pas rezymeve te bukura te dy Besnikeve, me lejoni edhe mua qe ta ofroje nje 
rezyme te ketij diskutimi

Ngado qe te kene ardhur thirrjet per rishqyrtimin e gjuhes letrare, fakt 
mbetet qe ajo eshte bere me trysni diktatoriale dhe si e tille e meriton se 
paku politikisht te (ri)shqyrtohet.

Gjuhesisht gjuha letrare eshte kryekeput toskerishte ndersa fleksibiliteti 
artificial i saj per te ngerthyer ne vete edhe elemente te gegerishtes 
vetemse farse. Besoj qe kete e beri te qarte Iliri.

Nga te gjitha keto qe i diskutuam del fare qarte se nuk eshte e 
vetekuptueshme sado qe feks te jete e vetekuptuar qe doemos duhet t'i 
shtrohemi ketij diktati dhe te mos tolerojme cfaredo te shprehuri tjeter (te 
mos harrojme se ky diskutim zuri fill me Klesten qe deshi t'ia diktoje 
Burimit menyren e te shprehurit).

Lerini, aman, njerezit te shkruajne si te done, se kur te behemi me te 
vertete popull i kulturuar standardi do etablohet vetvetiu.
Eshte dem i madh nese nuk jeni ne gjendje qe se paku te kuptoni gegerisht. 
Ndofta nuk eshte aq dem te mos e kuptoni Burimin por eshte dem te mos jeni 
ne gjendje ta kuptoni Camajn, Koliqin, Migjenin, Fishten...

Vjollca Sadiku
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 07:02:26 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 07:02:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6AC7@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

	Aaaaa na paten kenaqe krejt keto "Intuticionet qe i  kishmi ndertuar
dhjet vitet e fundit" . Rri  t'rrina, nashta ju qitet far dashnije shkijeve,
per ne, e na japin cka t'dojna, a?
	Arianito
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent:	Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:41 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
> 
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> 
> Per Politikan pak ma ngadale se kemi ende disa se din te na dirixhojn nga 
> Perendimi.Mos te ishin keta Lugatat si pershembull Hashim shum pune
> ekishte 
> Rregullin e vet,por ran keta Njerz dhe u desht qe te hupmi krejt
> Intuticionet 
> qe i  kishmi ndertuar dhjet vitet e fundit dhe tash ja fillojm prej
> Zeros,por 
> kjo zerjo e jon do te zxhat gjat se neve do te na nevoitet shume Kohe qe
> te 
> mundemi te marremi vendimet vet por besoj mbas Zyhedhjeve do te na
> letsohet 
> puna dhe ata cungat ti hjekmi nga dera
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 07:48:11 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 07:48:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218124735.42134.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Ndofta nuk eshte aq dem te mos e kuptoni Burimin por eshte dem te mos jeni
>ne gjendje ta kuptoni Camajn, Koliqin, Migjenin, Fishten...

t: Te me falesh ketu(te keqen mamaja), e ke gabim!

g: Nalu pak se qitu ke huq keq!

t: Po te mos me kuptoje atehere edhe krejt ky diskutim s'do t'ia fillonte 
fare(t'bardha, fara-bac kikirik)!

g: Mos me m'pas kuptue, s'ia kishe nise ky diskutim hiq!

ship: E tash plotsisht po pajtohna me ty n'faktin se kurkush s'ka drejte me 
ia ndalu kurkujt perdorimin e dialektit te vet!
Mos me m'keqkuptue: une jom per ni gjuhe t'unisume ne krejt trojet shiptare, 
po duhet m'u kuptue prej krejtve e jo disa hala pa hi n'shkolle fillore mos 
me pase problem e kta tjeret me iu shku 4-5 vjet(apo edhe krejt shkolla 
fillore) e hala mos m'u kone n'gjendje me shkrujte qysh duhet...

nese s'e keni kuptue fjaline e mramte lexoni Fishten nihere e tona shkoni 
n'prishtine e tona lajmrohuni te baca Burim...

tung,
Burimi




>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:24:36 CET
>
>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>Te dashur,
>
>Pas rezymeve te bukura te dy Besnikeve, me lejoni edhe mua qe ta ofroje nje
>rezyme te ketij diskutimi
>
>Ngado qe te kene ardhur thirrjet per rishqyrtimin e gjuhes letrare, fakt
>mbetet qe ajo eshte bere me trysni diktatoriale dhe si e tille e meriton se
>paku politikisht te (ri)shqyrtohet.
>
>Gjuhesisht gjuha letrare eshte kryekeput toskerishte ndersa fleksibiliteti
>artificial i saj per te ngerthyer ne vete edhe elemente te gegerishtes
>vetemse farse. Besoj qe kete e beri te qarte Iliri.
>
>Nga te gjitha keto qe i diskutuam del fare qarte se nuk eshte e
>vetekuptueshme sado qe feks te jete e vetekuptuar qe doemos duhet t'i
>shtrohemi ketij diktati dhe te mos tolerojme cfaredo te shprehuri tjeter 
>(te
>mos harrojme se ky diskutim zuri fill me Klesten qe deshi t'ia diktoje
>Burimit menyren e te shprehurit).
>
>Lerini, aman, njerezit te shkruajne si te done, se kur te behemi me te
>vertete popull i kulturuar standardi do etablohet vetvetiu.
>Eshte dem i madh nese nuk jeni ne gjendje qe se paku te kuptoni gegerisht.
>Ndofta nuk eshte aq dem te mos e kuptoni Burimin por eshte dem te mos jeni
>ne gjendje ta kuptoni Camajn, Koliqin, Migjenin, Fishten...
>
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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 07:50:40 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Fri Feb 18 07:50:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218125004.7857.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>

Meqe e nisem me rezymete, po e jap edhe une nji. :)
Kosovaret pergjithsisht kane krijue nji bindje te
gabueshme se gegnishtja asht fare dialekti
ekskluzivisht i tyne. U tha se ne Shqipni kjo cashtje
asht zhdrivillue ma shum se ne Kosove, edhe vec
Migjenit, as une nuk njoh tjeter ne Kosove. Mirepo,
tendencat drejt ndryshimeve pozitive qysh tash jam tue
i nuhate. 
E keqja asht se fillimisht kushdo qe kridhet ne
thellesina te cashtjes, mbas zhgenjimit, shperthen
plot duf rebelues. Ne vend te tij, e kerkimit te
fajtoreve, duhet nise me lavrimin e variantit gege,
edhe me lane te lire si alternative, jo me u marre me
gjetjen e fajtoreve. Fundja, edhe nese te tille
emnohen, prape ne shkrime zyrtare dora-dores mundemi
me iu kthye vec normes standarde te "fajtoreve" :)

Ndryshimet mbrenda "kornizave" ekzistuese kane per t'u
tregue eksperimente te deshtueme. Standardi tashma
(sic thashe me Vjollcen bashke) ka nise me i nxjerre
ato pak trajta gege jashte perdorimit, prandej nuk ka
pse e qysh me pranue tjera "mbrenda" tyne... Futja e
paskajores gege asht automatikisht dalje jashte
"kornizave" ekzistuese. Ky asht problemi. Dmth. rava
te duhet percjelle asht lavrimi i gegnishtes, forcimi
i saj... 


>ne fjalorin e gjuhes shqipe
> (1980) mund te gjesh fjalet qe ne Kosove perdoren
> shume shpesh ne te folme:
> keqyr, qaty, qatje, 

Nuk e kam fjalorin ketu, po format precizuese qaty,
qatje... nuk besoj se i ka. Nuk besoj t'i kete as
sinonimet: njaty, njata... madje.

"Keqyr" me duket se spjegohet vetem me kuptimin e
ngushte qe ka ne gjuhen juridike ne Tirane, jo me
kuptimin e ngjyrimet e shumta qe ka ne Kosove, si:

"Dada po ma KQYR djalin" (dmth. kujdeset)

Sido qe asht, keto jane cashtje qe duhet me kqyre mos
me i kalue ne preokupim diskutimi te njikesaj liste.
:)



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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 08:08:08 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 08:08:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] News Unlimited
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6ACA@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>



> Ky artikull eshte marre nga ditorja The Guardian, saktesisht, nga verzioni
> i saj ne Internet.
> "In a grimy mining town, the Serbs are getting away with murder. French
> troops won't stop the pogroms "
> lexojeni tere artikullin ne
	<http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/Kosovo/Story/0,2763,137863,00.html>




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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Fri Feb 18 08:20:33 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Fri Feb 18 08:20:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <003c01bf7a23$7ae78320$99acf880@xyz.uic.edu>


>Te dashur,
>
>Pas rezymeve te bukura te dy Besnikeve, me lejoni edhe mua qe ta ofroje nje
>rezyme te ketij diskutimi


mos me ma marr kush per keq: kisha dash me thane se ne vend te 'rezyme'
duhet me perdor 'permbledhje' (ose 'permledhje' si ta doni);

>Ngado qe te kene ardhur thirrjet per rishqyrtimin e gjuhes letrare, fakt
>mbetet qe ajo eshte bere me trysni diktatoriale dhe si e tille e meriton se
>paku politikisht te (ri)shqyrtohet.

?eky (qeky) argument s'ma mush menjen hi? (hiq); sipas ksaj llogjike, duhet
me e shem dhe pallatin e kongreseve se asht nertue nen trysnin diktatoriale;

>Gjuhesisht gjuha letrare eshte kryekeput toskerishte ndersa fleksibiliteti
>artificial i saj per te ngerthyer ne vete edhe elemente te gegerishtes
>vetemse farse. Besoj qe kete e beri te qarte Iliri.

>Nga te gjitha keto qe i diskutuam del fare qarte se nuk eshte e
>vetekuptueshme sado qe feks te jete e vetekuptuar qe doemos duhet t'i
>shtrohemi ketij diktati dhe te mos tolerojme cfaredo te shprehuri tjeter
(te
>mos harrojme se ky diskutim zuri fill me Klesten qe deshi t'ia diktoje
>Burimit menyren e te shprehurit).
>
>Lerini, aman, njerezit te shkruajne si te dUAn, se kur te behemi me te


tani ti perdor vete nje shqipe te zhvendosur drejt toskerishtes; menyra
urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji' (bashke me trajten e shkurter "[ata]
i", d.m.th, "leji ata"=lejini); ne vend te 'lejini' ti perdor 'lerini'
njesoj sikur te ishe nga vlora :) :)

po ashtu dhe nje verejtje tjeter: 'epshm?ri' mund te perdoret ne vend te
'fleksibilitet' pa problem; fjale shqipe;

shendet,




From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 09:46:00 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 09:46:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218144528.46714.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Albi Qeli:
>
>mos me ma marr kush per keq: kisha dash me thane se ne vend te 'rezyme'
>duhet me perdor 'permbledhje' (ose 'permledhje' si ta doni);

aman mor Albi mos na bej corape edhe ti tash. Do e masim ne peshoje floriri 
siecilen fjale para se te hapim gojen?

> >Ngado qe te kene ardhur thirrjet per rishqyrtimin e gjuhes letrare, fakt
> >mbetet qe ajo eshte bere me trysni diktatoriale dhe si e tille e meriton 
>se
> >paku politikisht te (ri)shqyrtohet.
>
>?eky (qeky) argument s'ma mush menjen hi? (hiq); sipas ksaj llogjike, duhet
>me e shem dhe pallatin e kongreseve se asht nertue nen trysnin 
>diktatoriale;

por aman do shqyrtojme nese pallatin e kongreseve do ta perdorim ende per te 
mbajtur kongrese, apo thua ti, do mbajme kongrese se s'behet?

>tani ti perdor vete nje shqipe te zhvendosur drejt toskerishtes; menyra
>urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji' (bashke me trajten e shkurter "[ata]
>i", d.m.th, "leji ata"=lejini); ne vend te 'lejini' ti perdor 'lerini'
>njesoj sikur te ishe nga vlora :) :)

nuk jam e vetmja mor Albi, ne fakt nuk njoh njeri nga Tirana (lere me nga 
Vlora) qe e thote perkatesisht shkruan ndryshe.

>po ashtu dhe nje verejtje tjeter: 'epshm?ri' mund te perdoret ne vend te
>'fleksibilitet' pa problem; fjale shqipe;

po te mos e ipnje keshtu ne menyre eksplicite nuk do e kisha marre vesh 
ashtu si e spjegove, biles as nga konteksti nuk do e honepsja dot. Sec kam 
ca deficite per te kuptuar gjuhen time amtare...

v.
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 09:49:46 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 18 09:49:46 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <de.17005bf.25deb5ce@aol.com>

Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan Problemin 
eKosoves?



From deenijem at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:01:25 2000
From: deenijem at hotmail.com (Burim Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 10:01:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218150033.92895.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: Zenelito at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:48:46 EST
>
Tung,
Ne Gjilan ka internet ne dy vende. Eshte ndertesa e UN-it dhe ka nje 
siber-kafe ne qytet por informata tjera nuk kam. Po te kesh ndonje pyetje te 
lutem lirisht pyet, me sa do te mundem do te ndihmoj.
Burimi
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From gugja at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:08:07 2000
From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI)
Date: Fri Feb 18 10:08:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung Burim!
Message-ID: <20000218150332.99927.qmail@hotmail.com>

     Burim ndoshta une se kam kuptu mire se qka ke deshte me thone apo
ti nuk me ki kuptuar mu.Si para 50 vjetve e si par 100-200 vjetve ne
Kosovaret kemi qen per me rrujte teritorin e shqiperise se athershme.
Patriotizmi dhe endra per nje Kosove e Shqiperi te bashkuar nuk ka
len me humbe gjuhen tone.Une ne letren e me parshme te kam shkruar
per me te treguar se kurkush nuk mundet me na ndru gjuhen.
    KOFSH BEKTESH E MERR VESH.Nese nuk e kupton kete leter mos shkruje
pa lidhje.
    Arianiti.
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:10:48 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 10:10:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218150402.23947.qmail@hotmail.com>

SHKIJET!


>From: Zenelito at aol.com
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>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:48:46 EST
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Fri Feb 18 10:40:41 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 10:40:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <200002181040.AA1573860@prishtina.com>

Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".



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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:14:51 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:14:51 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218161407.18562.qmail@hotmail.com>

Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?
Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?
Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?
Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?
Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?
Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?
Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?
Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?

Athua cfare do benim ne keto raste?

>Dardan Blaku:
>Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te 
>vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
>te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne 
>vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i 
>shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".
>
>
>
>Zenelito:
> >
> >Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan Problemin
> >eKosoves?

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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 11:24:28 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:24:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6AD1@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Simbas meje?
Simbas meje ne Britani te Madhe nuk ka pase ceshtje te Kosoves fare, deri
tash dy-tri vjet. Kushdo qe e ka bere internacionalizimin e problemit te
Kosoves deri para dy-tri vjete nuk e ka krye punen si duhet. Une tash po
ndigjoj, a paska punue kush ne kete drejtim a? Ketu ne Britani te Madhe jo,
sigurt. Ose nese ka punue, kush se ka verejte rrezultatin
Arianiti

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From ssander at ans.net  Fri Feb 18 11:28:14 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:28:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
In-Reply-To: <20000218161407.18562.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002181127070.9005-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Me leje, 

edhe nje shtese ne vargjet e Vjollces: 

Po te mos kish pase LISTE-DIKUTIMI? :)

tung

- Sander 


On Fri, 18 Feb 2000, Vjollca Sadiku wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?
> Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?
> Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?
> Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?
> Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?
> Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?
> Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?
> Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?
> 
> Athua cfare do benim ne keto raste?
> 
> >Dardan Blaku:
> >Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te 
> >vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
> >te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne 
> >vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i 
> >shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".
> >
> >
> >
> >Zenelito:
> > >
> > >Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan Problemin
> > >eKosoves?
> 
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 11:36:49 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:36:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pyetje-Pergjigje
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6AD2@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Jaaa, do me na kallxue ti vet "cfare do benim ne ato raste?." Ma merr menja,
se tuk i ki shtrue tana ato t'vetme, i din ti edhe t'pergjegjmet. Hajt
allahile qe na kallxon njo ka njo, kadal-dale e pa u ngute te tanat. 
Arianiti
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Vjollca Sadiku [SMTP:vjollca56 at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Friday, February 18, 2000 5:14 PM
> To:	prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Subject:	Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
> 
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?
> Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?
> Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?
> Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?
> Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?
> Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?
> Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?
> Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?
> 
> Athua cfare do benim ne keto raste?
> 
> 
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:37:43 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:37:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung Burim!
Message-ID: <20000218163710.87708.qmail@hotmail.com>

Sa per ilustrim:
N'Prishtine jon plot familje qi gjuhe t'pare e kane turqishten(sidomos te 
vjetrit). Pra mos thuj qi gjuhen s'un ma ndrron kurkush se me pase vazhdu 
edhe 100 vjet ner shkije ia kishin nise plot edhe shkinisht me fole. Mos u 
habit kur edhe mas do vjetve ia nisin gjinja me u permallu per Jugosllavine 
e Tites se atehere i kane pase rrogat ka 1000DM e ma shume...(gjate kohes 
kur plot anti-titista jone kone n'burg...).
Pra mos em shit patriotizem t'thate allahile...
A t'ka shku menja najhere pse n'vakt t'Skenderbeut osht luftu vec 
n'territore t'shipnise t'sotme?
(Nejse tash pak ta perziva, vec tu u kone qi ti je bektesh ma merre menja qi 
e merre vesh).

Pershendetje sportive:
tung, tung, tung
Burimi

>From: "ARIANIT MATOSHI" <gugja at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung Burim!
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:03:32 GMT
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>     Burim ndoshta une se kam kuptu mire se qka ke deshte me thone apo
>ti nuk me ki kuptuar mu.Si para 50 vjetve e si par 100-200 vjetve ne
>Kosovaret kemi qen per me rrujte teritorin e shqiperise se athershme.
>Patriotizmi dhe endra per nje Kosove e Shqiperi te bashkuar nuk ka
>len me humbe gjuhen tone.Une ne letren e me parshme te kam shkruar
>per me te treguar se kurkush nuk mundet me na ndru gjuhen.
>    KOFSH BEKTESH E MERR VESH.Nese nuk e kupton kete leter mos shkruje
>pa lidhje.
>    Arianiti.
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:40:54 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:40:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218164019.60692.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jo bre se gabim e ki, se Ibrahim Rugova o kone 'president' i UCK, po hala 
s'o vakti m'u cele...    :)




>From: "Dardan Blaku" <dardan at prishtina.com>
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>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:40:36 -0500
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>Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te 
>vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
>te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne 
>vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i 
>shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".
>
>
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:43:06 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:43:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218164202.949.qmail@hotmail.com>

Vjollca, n'cilin planet ke jetu qito 10 vjet e mramta?


>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:14:07 CET
>
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>Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?
>Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?
>Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?
>Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?
>Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?
>Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?
>Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?
>Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?
>
>Athua cfare do benim ne keto raste?
>
>>Dardan Blaku:
>>Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te 
>>vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
>>te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne 
>>vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i 
>>shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".
>>
>>
>>
>>Zenelito:
>> >
>> >Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan Problemin
>> >eKosoves?
>
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:45:00 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:45:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <20000218164351.28666.qmail@hotmail.com>

E PRITE QITASH KEKEN(E HONGRE)!  :)


>From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
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>Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:24:06 -0000
>
>Simbas meje?
>Simbas meje ne Britani te Madhe nuk ka pase ceshtje te Kosoves fare, deri
>tash dy-tri vjet. Kushdo qe e ka bere internacionalizimin e problemit te
>Kosoves deri para dy-tri vjete nuk e ka krye punen si duhet. Une tash po
>ndigjoj, a paska punue kush ne kete drejtim a? Ketu ne Britani te Madhe jo,
>sigurt. Ose nese ka punue, kush se ka verejte rrezultatin
>Arianiti
>
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 11:54:16 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:54:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6AD5@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Mo bre!!! Valla je kah m'bon me i shkrue direkt atine. Jo jo, i kom do kusha
atje n'Amerike (besa krejt kushat i paskna n'Amerike) e  vizitojne e ja
ndrrojne menjen, fizikisht, ja qesin njo tjeter.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Burim Hana [SMTP:burimh at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Friday, February 18, 2000 4:44 PM
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> E PRITE QITASH KEKEN(E HONGRE)!  :)
> 
> 
> >From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
> >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:24:06 -0000
> >
> >Simbas meje?
> >Simbas meje ne Britani te Madhe nuk ka pase ceshtje te Kosoves fare, deri
> >tash dy-tri vjet. Kushdo qe e ka bere internacionalizimin e problemit te
> >Kosoves deri para dy-tri vjete nuk e ka krye punen si duhet. Une tash po
> >ndigjoj, a paska punue kush ne kete drejtim a? Ketu ne Britani te Madhe
> jo,
> >sigurt. Ose nese ka punue, kush se ka verejte rrezultatin
> >Arianiti
> >
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> > > From:	Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com]
> > > Sent:	Friday, February 18, 2000 2:49 PM
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> > > Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan
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> > > eKosoves?
> > >
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Fri Feb 18 11:57:58 2000
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:57:58 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B6F6AD6@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com>

Porosia e poshtme eshte derguar gabimisht ne liste. Eshte private dhe per
kete kerkoj falje nga anetaret e listes si dhe pronari i saje.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Celaj, Arianit [HAL02:HQ11:EXCH] 
> Sent:	Friday, February 18, 2000 4:52 PM
> To:	'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'
> Subject:	RE: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
> 
> Mo bre!!! Valla je kah m'bon me i shkrue direkt atine. Jo jo, i kom do
> kusha atje n'Amerike (besa krejt kushat i paskna n'Amerike) e  vizitojne e
> ja ndrrojne menjen, fizikisht, ja qesin njo tjeter.
> 
> 	-----Original Message----- 
> From:   Burim Hana [SMTP:burimh at hotmail.com] 
> Sent:   Friday, February 18, 2000 4:44 PM 
> To:     prishtina-l at alb-net.com 
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> 	E PRITE QITASH KEKEN(E HONGRE)!  :) 
> 
> 
> 	>From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com> 
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com 
> >To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com> 
> >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l] 
> >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:24:06 -0000 
> > 
> >Simbas meje? 
> >Simbas meje ne Britani te Madhe nuk ka pase ceshtje te Kosoves fare, deri
> 
> >tash dy-tri vjet. Kushdo qe e ka bere internacionalizimin e problemit te 
> >Kosoves deri para dy-tri vjete nuk e ka krye punen si duhet. Une tash po 
> >ndigjoj, a paska punue kush ne kete drejtim a? Ketu ne Britani te Madhe
> jo, 
> >sigurt. Ose nese ka punue, kush se ka verejte rrezultatin 
> >Arianiti 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > From:       Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] 
> > > Sent:       Friday, February 18, 2000 2:49 PM 
> > > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com 
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> > > Simbas teje Arianit kush kan qen ata qe e e interanaciolizuan
> Problemin 
> > > eKosoves? 
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 11:59:36 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 11:59:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pyetje-Pergjigje
Message-ID: <20000218165838.64963.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Arianit Celaj:
>Jaaa, do me na kallxue ti vet "cfare do benim ne ato raste?." Ma merr 
>menja,
>se tuk i ki shtrue tana ato t'vetme, i din ti edhe t'pergjegjmet. Hajt
>allahile qe na kallxon njo ka njo, kadal-dale e pa u ngute te tanat.
>Arianiti

Kujtoj se Dardani ka me shume fantazi per t'u pergjigjur ne pyetje te tilla 
spekulative, po meqe je bere kaq kurreshtar per pergjigjet e mia:

> > Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?

Informimi i opinjonit boteror rreth asaj se cfare ngjiste ne Kosove do ishte 
edhe me i manget edhe nuk do kishte reprezentues formal te pales shqiptare. 
Kesisoji represioni serb do ta kryente punen e vet dhe do ta zbrazte 
Kosoven.

> > Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?

Imazhi i shqiptareve ne bote do te ishte nje cike me i mire nga qe eshte 
edhe Shqiperia do ishte me stabile.

> > Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?

Polarizimi i shoqerise shqiptare nuk do te arrinte kete amplitude qe e ka.

> > Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?

Represioni do te vazhdonte me e pa UCK. Fundja kete e tha edhe Burimi: 
kurrsesi s'mund ta harrojme kontributin e shkijeve ne internacionalizimin e 
ceshtjes.

> > Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?

Mbase do te dukeshin me normal dhe bota do t'i perkrahte me shume bile mund 
se do t'i furnizonte me arme.

> > Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?

Hashim Thaci tash do ishte njeriu me i pasur ne Kosove.

> > Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?

Nuk do nderhynte NATO-ja.

> > Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?

Do te kalonim dimrin ne Stenkovec e ne Kukes...
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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 12:49:14 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Fri Feb 18 12:49:14 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218174840.3318.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>

> menyra
> urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji' 

S'asht! :)

"Leji goten mbi tavoline"?
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 12:55:41 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 12:55:41 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218175508.64376.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Ilir Berisha:
> > menyra
> > urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji'
>
>S'asht! :)
>
>"Leji goten mbi tavoline"?

Ndoshta: "Leji pallavrat" :)
Apo eshte "Leri pallavrat"?

v.
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From gugja at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 12:55:48 2000
From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI)
Date: Fri Feb 18 12:55:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung  Vjollca!!!
Message-ID: <20000218175515.81593.qmail@hotmail.com>

       1: LDK ne fillim ka punuar shume mire per deri sa nuk ja nisen me u 
marr hajni "korupcion".Tash LDK per mendim timin ka deshtu.
       2:Rremuj ne shqiperi gjithmon ka qen,kshtu qe ngjarjet e 97 nuk
kan pasur kurrfar lidhje me Kosoven siq thojne disa njerze.
       3:Po te mos kishte hypur ne pushtet Fatos Nano ende kishte qen
kryetar Sali Berisha,kur far ndryshimi nuk eshte be pse ka hyp djali i
Enver Hoxhes.
       4:Nuk u djeg vetem Drenica po u djeg 75% te Kosoves.
       5:Jakup Krasniqi ka qen vetem ni njeri qe i ka lexuar letrat e
shtabit te pergjithshem,fjalte e ti e kan shkatruar Kosoven shume po
ai nuk eshte fajtor siq thojne disa njerze sepse ato fjal nuk kan qen
mendim i ti.
       6:Sikur Bujar Bukoshi ti ja dorzonte te gjitha parat Hashimit
athere Hashimi do te behej ma i pasur.
       7:Nuk kan pas qare pa e nenshkruar marrveshjen e Rambujes.
       8:NATO ka nderhyre per me shpetuar civilin dhe per disa intersa
te vet "sekrete per SH.B.A".
      Vjollca pata deshire qe edhe une tju pergjigjna pyetejve tuaja.
Pergjigjet jan vetem mendime te mija personale.
     Tung e kalofsh mire.
        nga Arianiti.
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 18 13:09:32 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 13:09:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung Vjollca!!!
Message-ID: <20000218180900.8137.qmail@hotmail.com>

Arianit (Matoshi),

Shpresoj qe edhe Arianiti (Celaj) do te dije te cmoje mendimin tend ashtu si 
une. Desha vetem te ta terheq vemendjen ne nje pike te cilen e ke lene pa 
skulime, gje qe nuk ishte parapare ashtu

>       7:Nuk kan pas qare pa e nenshkruar marrveshjen e Rambujes.

Ja qe e vonuan disa jave, kane mundur ta lene fare te mos e nenshkruajne... 
jane goxha burra ata...

v.
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Fri Feb 18 13:16:28 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Fri Feb 18 13:16:28 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
In-Reply-To: <20000218174840.3318.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.A41.4.10.10002181202460.185514-100000@tigger.cc.uic.edu>

> 
> > menyra
> > urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji' 
> 
> S'asht! :)
> 
> "Leji goten mbi tavoline"?

asht :)

'goten' eshte ne numrin njejes, dhe trajta e shkurter e kallezores per
kete numer eshte 'e'; kerkon formen 'lejE goten'; (shembull tjeter:
shkruajE, lexojE librin, etj.); 

trajta e shkurter e kallezores ne shumes eshte 'i'; shembull: (lexojI,
shkruajI librat, etj.); ose 'lejI gotat mbi tavoline;

________________________________________________________________

		| trajta 		| trajta
		| e shkurter 		| e shkurter
		| ne njejes		| ne shumes
________________________________________________________________

folja		| lej-e			| lej-i
vete ne		|			|
njejes		|			|
		|			|
		|			|
folja		| lejEni		| lejIni
vete ne		|			|
shumes		|			|
________________________________________________________________




From dardan at prishtina.com  Fri Feb 18 13:21:31 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Fri Feb 18 13:21:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pyetje-Pergjigje
Message-ID: <200002181320.AA7799120@prishtina.com>

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:58:38 CET

>>Arianit Celaj:
>>Jaaa, do me na kallxue ti vet "cfare do benim ne ato raste?." Ma merr 
>>menja,
>>se tuk i ki shtrue tana ato t'vetme, i din ti edhe t'pergjegjmet. Hajt
>>allahile qe na kallxon njo ka njo, kadal-dale e pa u ngute te tanat.
>>Arianiti
>
>Kujtoj se Dardani ka me shume fantazi per t'u pergjigjur ne pyetje te tilla 
>spekulative, po meqe je bere kaq kurreshtar per pergjigjet e mia:

Po, fantazine e kam te pashterrshme...  =)

>
>> > Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?
>
>Informimi i opinjonit boteror rreth asaj se cfare ngjiste ne Kosove do ishte 
>edhe me i manget edhe nuk do kishte reprezentues formal te pales shqiptare. 
>Kesisoji represioni serb do ta kryente punen e vet dhe do ta zbrazte 
>Kosoven.

?shte e v?rtet? se rezistenca paq?sore ka qen? e vetmja menyr? e veprimit (ose jo/veprimit) n? fillim t? 90'tave. Mir?po qysh nga marr?veshja e Dejtonit, LDK-ja dhe levizja paq?sore ka marre tatpjet?n.
Populli ?sht? i vetdijsh?m se Rugova e shp?toi popullin nga humbjet m? t? m?dha.  Pranoj se sikur mbi 80% e popullsis? s? Kosov?s, kam qen? p?rkrah?s i politik?s s? LDK-s?. Mir?po, n? gjysm?n e dyt? t? 90'tave, kjo l?vizje sikur u sh?ndrrua n? nj? levizje q? rri nuk l?viz. Nj? shtres? e caktuar krijoi komoditet, nga i cili nuk u konvenonte q? t? largohen. U krijuan poste fiktive q? rrespektoheshin nga disa, dhe krijuan pak?naq?si te disa. 

Nga k?ndi nd?rkomb?tar, Kosova sikur u fsheh pas hijes s? konfliktit te Kroacis?/Bosnjes. Asnj?her? nuk p?rmendej Kosova. Dor?n n? zem?r, Informator?t e QIK-ut distribuoheshin, dhe sa i p?rket informimit, QIK-u si institucion ka b?r? shume. KMDLNJ poashtu ka b?r? tep?r.  Mir?po, raportet e k?tyre p?r dhunen S?rbe n? Kosov? distribuoheshin , por ishin b?r? nj? p?rditshm?ri monotone, me t? cil?n bota mund t? flinte pa e ?are kok?n. Me fillimin e aksioneve te U?K-s?, k?to raporte filluan t? ndiqeshin me interesim t? madh. 
Pjesa tjeter e informimit dhe edukimit p?r Kosoven ?sht? b?r? nga individ?, zakonisht jasht Kosov?s, dhe me von? nga gazetat q? filluan t? shfaqen neper Internet.
?sht? jokorrekte ti ipen te gjitha meritat LDK-s? p?r informimin e opinionit p?r situat?n n? Kosov?. 


>> > Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?
>
>Imazhi i shqiptareve ne bote do te ishte nje cike me i mire nga qe eshte 
>edhe Shqiperia do ishte me stabile.

Nuk do t? kishte hipur Nano n? pushtet.

>> > Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?
>
>Polarizimi i shoqerise shqiptare nuk do te arrinte kete amplitude qe e ka.
>
Atehere me Sali Berishen n? pushtet, ushtria S?rbe do te kishte hyre ne Tirane.

>> > Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?
>
>Represioni do te vazhdonte me e pa UCK. Fundja kete e tha edhe Burimi: 
>kurrsesi s'mund ta harrojme kontributin e shkijeve ne internacionalizimin e 
>ceshtjes.
>

Mir?, i fal?nderojm? shkijet.

>> > Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?
>
>Mbase do te dukeshin me normal dhe bota do t'i perkrahte me shume bile mund 
>se do t'i furnizonte me arme.
>

S?rbet do ti vazhdonin sulmet e tyre pavar?sisht nga deklaratat e Krasniit.

>> > Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?
>
>Hashim Thaci tash do ishte njeriu me i pasur ne Kosove.
>

?ka kan? lidhje t? hollat e Bukoshit me k?t? tem??

>> > Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?
>
>Nuk do nderhynte NATO-ja.
>

Do te mbahej nje Rambuje e re.

>> > Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?
>
>Do te kalonim dimrin ne Stenkovec e ne Kukes...

Do te ishim ne Prishtine, dhe pasi e sot eshte e premte, do te beheshim gati per konferencen e xhumase pas stadiumit te Prishtines. 


---------- Original Message ------------------------
From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:58:38 CET

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>Arianit Celaj:
>Jaaa, do me na kallxue ti vet "cfare do benim ne ato raste?." Ma merr 
>menja,
>se tuk i ki shtrue tana ato t'vetme, i din ti edhe t'pergjegjmet. Hajt
>allahile qe na kallxon njo ka njo, kadal-dale e pa u ngute te tanat.
>Arianiti

Kujtoj se Dardani ka me shume fantazi per t'u pergjigjur ne pyetje te tilla 
spekulative, po meqe je bere kaq kurreshtar per pergjigjet e mia:

> > Po te mos i kishte organizuar LDK-ja institucionet paralele?

Informimi i opinjonit boteror rreth asaj se cfare ngjiste ne Kosove do ishte 
edhe me i manget edhe nuk do kishte reprezentues formal te pales shqiptare. 
Kesisoji represioni serb do ta kryente punen e vet dhe do ta zbrazte 
Kosoven.

> > Po te mos kaplohej Shqiperia nga rremuja?

Imazhi i shqiptareve ne bote do te ishte nje cike me i mire nga qe eshte 
edhe Shqiperia do ishte me stabile.

> > Po te mos kishte hipur Fatos Nano ne pushtet?

Polarizimi i shoqerise shqiptare nuk do te arrinte kete amplitude qe e ka.

> > Po te mos e digjnin shkijet Drenicen?

Represioni do te vazhdonte me e pa UCK. Fundja kete e tha edhe Burimi: 
kurrsesi s'mund ta harrojme kontributin e shkijeve ne internacionalizimin e 
ceshtjes.

> > Po te mos deklaronte Jakup Krasniqi se do ta cliroje Camerine?

Mbase do te dukeshin me normal dhe bota do t'i perkrahte me shume bile mund 
se do t'i furnizonte me arme.

> > Po sikur t'ia dhuronte Bujar Bukoshi Hashim Thacit fondin e qeverise?

Hashim Thaci tash do ishte njeriu me i pasur ne Kosove.

> > Po te mos nenshkruhej fare Rambujeja?

Nuk do nderhynte NATO-ja.

> > Po te mos nderhynte NATO-ja?

Do te kalonim dimrin ne Stenkovec e ne Kukes...
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Feb 18 14:14:00 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri Feb 18 14:14:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
In-Reply-To: <20000218125004.7857.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a02b4d33bdef609@[216.254.26.135]>

At 4:50 AM -0800 2/18/00, Ilir Berisha wrote:
>Meqe e nisem me rezymete, po e jap edhe une nji. :)
>Kosovaret pergjithsisht kane krijue nji bindje te
>gabueshme se gegnishtja asht fare dialekti
>ekskluzivisht i tyne. U tha se ne Shqipni kjo cashtje
>asht zhdrivillue ma shum se ne Kosove, edhe vec
>Migjenit, as une nuk njoh tjeter ne Kosove. Mirepo,
>tendencat drejt ndryshimeve pozitive qysh tash jam tue
>i nuhate.

Vetem deshta me e ceke, se me ka ra rasti me lexue pjese nga libri i
Migjenit (Kelmendit) ku e trajton ceshtjen e gjuhes, edhe ai kete problem
kryesisht e paraqet si ceshtje Shqiperi-Kosove. Po ndoshta kjo s'duhet t'i
zihet per te madhe Migjenit, sepse libri i tij me shume eshte nje
udhepershkrim i llojit "kosovari ne Shqiperi" (kujtoni kengen e Stingut --
I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien, I'm a kosovar in Tirana :)), me reflekse
rreth marredhenieve Shqiperi-Kosove, si e kane imagjinuar kosovaret
Shqiperine e cfare domethenie ka pase per ta ideja e Shqiperise, e si e
perjetojne Shqiperine sot.

Por eshte e vertete se ceshtja e gjuhes ka marre trajtim shume me serioz ne
Shqiperi, megjithese pa ndonje rezultat konkret.

>Ndryshimet mbrenda "kornizave" ekzistuese kane per t'u
>tregue eksperimente te deshtueme. Standardi tashma
>(sic thashe me Vjollcen bashke) ka nise me i nxjerre
>ato pak trajta gege jashte perdorimit, prandej nuk ka
>pse e qysh me pranue tjera "mbrenda" tyne... Futja e
>paskajores gege asht automatikisht dalje jashte
>"kornizave" ekzistuese. Ky asht problemi. Dmth. rava
>te duhet percjelle asht lavrimi i gegnishtes, forcimi
>i saj...

Standardi i gjuhes, domethene rregullat nuk i perjashtojne trajtat gege per
te cilat bete fjale ju, por jane normat e perdorimit qe po i perjashtojne
(sic tha Vjollca, disa trajta "kosovare" ne Tirane konsiderohen "stil i
dobet", "gramatike e percudnuar" etj.). Por kjo nuk domethene se perdorimi
i tyre eshte i ndaluar. Ai qe thote se duhet te thuash "shiko" ne vend te
"keqyr", "makine" ne vend te "kerr", "ja" ne vend te "qe", "pastaj" ne vend
te "mandej", "surprize" ne vend te "befasi" nuk mund te kete argument te
mirefillte leksik as gramatikor nese rregullat e shkuara te gjuhes letrare
i lejojne keto fjale.

Sa i perket paskajores, megjithese nuk merrem me gjuhesi, une mendoj se ajo
mund te integrohet ne standardin e sotem pa shkaktuar ndonje veshtiresi te
madhe. Lejimi i paskajores (dmth. krijimi i nje rregulli qe thote se
paskajorja eshte trajte "legjitime" gramatikore e gjuhes letrare) nuk
domethene se tash e tutje gjithkush do ta perdore paskajoren (akoma do te
kete te atille qe thone se kjo eshte "stil i dobet", "trajte e vjeteruar"
etj.), por per ata qe duan ta perdorin, ajo eshte gramatikisht e lejueshme.
Ne fund te fundit, edhe folesit e toskerishtes ne disa raste e perdorin
paskajoren (p.sh. me marre, me pase etj.).

Prandaj, une personalisht mendoj se nje eksperimentim i tille nuk do te
jete medoemos i deshtuar. Bile une nuk kisha prite qe per t'ia nisur ketij
"ekperimenti" ta japin bekimin e tyre gjuhetaret, por qe vete perdoruesit e
gjuhes te eksperimentojne duke futur trajta gege ne gjuhe. E di qe kjo nuk
eshte e lehte, sepse gegnishtja e folur, nga shume njerez ne Tirane
konsiderohet gjuhe "malokesh" (apo kosovaresh), e ajo e shkruar "gjuhe e
vjeter", kurse gjuhetaret e Prishtines jeten e japin e nuk leshojne pe ne
argumentet e tyre se sa e "perkryer" dhe e "paster" eshte "gjuha jone
kombetare". Por keto stereotipe e paragjykime, si dhe elitizmi idiotik
duhet te tejkalohen.

>>ne fjalorin e gjuhes shqipe
>> (1980) mund te gjesh fjalet qe ne Kosove perdoren
>> shume shpesh ne te folme:
>> keqyr, qaty, qatje,
>
>Nuk e kam fjalorin ketu, po format precizuese qaty,
>qatje... nuk besoj se i ka. Nuk besoj t'i kete as
>sinonimet: njaty, njata... madje.

I ka, se i kam pa (momentalisht nuk e kam fjalorin ketu, se te kisha tregue
edhe ne cilen faqe), e jam cudite edhe vete! Por eshte interesant se
botimet e mevonshme te fjalorit (me sa kam marre vesh) nuk i kane.

Te fala,
Besniku





From iberisha at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 15:20:00 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Fri Feb 18 15:20:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218201916.27985.qmail@web3705.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Albi Qeli <aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> > 
> > > menyra
> > > urdherore e foljes 'le' eshte 'leji' 
> > 
> > S'asht! :)
> > 
> > "Leji goten mbi tavoline"?
> 
> asht :)
> 
> 'goten' eshte ne numrin njejes, dhe trajta e
> shkurter e kallezores per
> kete numer eshte 'e'; kerkon formen 'lejE goten';
> (shembull tjeter:
> shkruajE, lexojE librin, etj.); 
> 
> trajta e shkurter e kallezores ne shumes eshte 'i';
> shembull: (lexojI,
> shkruajI librat, etj.); ose 'lejI gotat mbi
> tavoline;
> 
>
________________________________________________________________
> 
> 		| trajta 		| trajta
> 		| e shkurter 		| e shkurter
> 		| ne njejes		| ne shumes
>
________________________________________________________________
> 
> folja		| lej-e			| lej-i
> vete ne		|			|
> njejes		|			|
> 		|			|
> 		|			|
> folja		| lejEni		| lejIni
> vete ne		|			|
> shumes		|			|
>
________________________________________________________________
> 
> 

Kjo po qendron (ne gegnisht te pakten). Tash je tue
fole per urdhnoren plus trajtat e shkurta, e jo vec
per udhnoren pa ngjitjen e klitikeve, qe asht muhabet
tjeter. 
Vjollca megjithate perdor format toske, jo vetem ne
urdhnoren qe gjen ti, po gjithkah.
Nuk e kisha aq shum te kjo, kur bana verejtjen, e
kisha me e vazhdue me meskinitetin:).. Keshtu vec ulet
niveli i diskutimit. 
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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 15:45:37 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Fri Feb 18 15:45:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000218204456.8036.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Por eshte e vertete se ceshtja e gjuhes ka marre
> trajtim shume me serioz ne
> Shqiperi, megjithese pa ndonje rezultat konkret.
> 

Asht pranue publikisht njihere e pergjithmone, madje
edhe integrue ne tekstet didaktike, se gjuha standarde
nuk asht kurrfare arritje e perpjekjeve per afrimin e
dialekteve edhe se ajo asht ne fakt toskenishtja
letrare e pasunueme me disa trajta te pakta te
gegnishtes. Ky asht hapi i pare konkret. 
Asht lejue perdorimi i gegnishtes, ndonese fillimisht
neper publikime me natyre lokale qe duen me perdore
ate. 
Ne seminarin tradicional te gjuhes kane nise disa
gjuhetare me i paraqite referatet ne gegnishten
letrare.

Ndosta ka "rezultate" te tjera, qe s'po me kujtohen
njihere per njihere... Megjithate dicka asht ba.

> i tyre eshte i ndaluar. Ai qe thote se duhet te
> thuash "shiko" ne vend te
> "keqyr", "makine" ne vend te "kerr", "ja" ne vend te
> "qe", "pastaj" ne vend
> te "mandej", "surprize" ne vend te "befasi" nuk mund
> te kete argument te
> mirefillte leksikor as gramatikor nese rregullat e
> shkuara te gjuhes letrare
> i lejojne keto fjale.

Nuk ka rregulla te shkrueme qe i lejojne ose ndalojne
fjalet e gjuhes. Fjalet jane si malli ne treg... do
"shiten" ma mire, do ma keq... Fjalet e reja lindin
gjithnji, e nese pelqehen - "shiten" Nuk ka rregull qe
caktohet ne menyre eksplicite e qe thote "filan fjale
fiton te drejten me u tregtue..." :) 

> Sa i perket paskajores, megjithese nuk merrem me
> gjuhesi, une mendoj se ajo
> mund te integrohet ne standardin e sotem pa
> shkaktuar ndonje veshtiresi te
> madhe. 
> Lejimi i paskajores (dmth. krijimi i nje
> rregulli qe thote se
> paskajorja eshte trajte "legjitime" gramatikore e
> gjuhes letrare) nuk
> domethene se tash e tutje gjithkush do ta perdore
> paskajoren (akoma do te
> kete te atille qe thone se kjo eshte "stil i dobet",
> "trajte e vjeteruar"
> etj.), por per ata qe duan ta perdorin, ajo eshte
> gramatikisht e lejueshme.

Veshtiresi nuk mundet me shkaktue, tek asht shum e
thjeshte, po sa per "kornizat" (qe i permende
fillimisht) ato i luen... 


> Prandaj, une personalisht mendoj se nje
> eksperimentim i tille nuk do te
> jete medoemos i deshtuar. Bile une nuk kisha prite
> qe per t'ia nisur ketij
> "ekperimenti" ta japin bekimin e tyre gjuhetaret,
> por qe vete perdoruesit e
> gjuhes te eksperimentojne duke futur trajta gege ne
> gjuhe. 


Kete qe po e thue uroj me pa te nisun sa ma pare.
Gjuhen nuk e bajne gjuhetaret, ata vec regjistrojne,
evidentojne.. 

>E di qe kjo nuk
> eshte e lehte, sepse gegnishtja e folur, nga shume
> njerez ne Tirane
> konsiderohet gjuhe "malokesh" (apo kosovaresh), e
> ajo e shkruar "gjuhe e
> vjeter", kurse gjuhetaret e Prishtines jeten e japin
> e nuk leshojne pe ne
> argumentet e tyre se sa e "perkryer" dhe e "paster"
> eshte "gjuha jone
> kombetare". Por keto stereotipe e paragjykime, si
> dhe elitizmi idiotik
> duhet te tejkalohen.
>

Shum bukur a thane. Me vjen mire qe keto stereotipe
paskan nise me u zbehe. 
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From eshref at januzaj.de  Fri Feb 18 18:37:09 2000
From: eshref at januzaj.de (Mali)
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:37:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
References: <v04003a02b4d33bdef609@[216.254.26.135]>
Message-ID: <38ADD769.FE3B10E3@januzaj.de>

Ju pershendes,

> >>ne fjalorin e gjuhes shqipe
> >> (1980) mund te gjesh fjalet qe ne Kosove perdoren
> >> shume shpesh ne te folme:
> >> keqyr, qaty, qatje,
> >
> >Nuk e kam fjalorin ketu, po format precizuese qaty,
> >qatje... nuk besoj se i ka. Nuk besoj t'i kete as
> >sinonimet: njaty, njata... madje.
> 
> I ka, se i kam pa (momentalisht nuk e kam fjalorin ketu, se te kisha 
> tregue edhe ne cilen faqe), e jam cudite edhe vete! Por eshte 
> interesant se botimet e mevonshme te fjalorit (me sa kam marre vesh) 
> nuk i kane.

sa per korrektesi.

Sipas : "FJALOR i gjuhes se sotme shqipe", Tirane, 1980
         Akademia e Shkencave e RPS te Shqiperise
         Instituti i Gjuhesise dhe i Letersise


keq?r kal., ~A, ~UR. (faqe 819)
      1. edhe jokal. Shikoj me vemendje; shoh me kujdes, veshtroj, 
         ve re. Keqyr nje njeri. Keqyr para e prapa.

      2. Kam kudes, tregoj kujdes per dike a per dicka, e shikoj. 
         E keqyr si djalin tim.

      3. Studioj dhe analizoj mire nje ceshtje, e ndjek dhe e vezhgoj 
         me qellim studimi; shqyrtoj. Keqyr nje problem.

madj? pj. (faqe 1044)
      Perdoret per te perforcuar ate qe eshte thene me pare, me 
      kuptimin "aq me shume, per me teper"; bile. Nuk i dhane leje te 
      dilte, madje e porositen qe te mos ngrihej nga shtrati. Ne ate 
      rast nuk humbi gje, madje fitoi. Madje edhe ai e dinte.

njat? ndajf.krahin. (faqe 1281)
      Aty, mu aty, pikerisht aty.

qatj? ndajf.bised. (faqe 1590)
      Pikerisht atje, mu atje. Qatje eshte. Qatje e lashe.

qat? ndajf.bised. (faqe 1590)
     Pikerisht aty, mu aty; atys afer, aty drejt. 
     Qaty i kisha vene. Qaty ne qoshe.




Mbetshi me te mira,
Eshrefi
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Feb 18 18:56:25 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri Feb 18 18:56:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
In-Reply-To: <20000218204456.8036.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a04b4d386e195cc@[216.254.26.135]>

At 12:44 PM -0800 2/18/00, Ilir Berisha wrote:
>Asht pranue publikisht njihere e pergjithmone, madje
>edhe integrue ne tekstet didaktike, se gjuha standarde
>nuk asht kurrfare arritje e perpjekjeve per afrimin e
>dialekteve edhe se ajo asht ne fakt toskenishtja
>letrare e pasunueme me disa trajta te pakta te
>gegnishtes. Ky asht hapi i pare konkret.
>Asht lejue perdorimi i gegnishtes, ndonese fillimisht
>neper publikime me natyre lokale qe duen me perdore
>ate.
>Ne seminarin tradicional te gjuhes kane nise disa
>gjuhetare me i paraqite referatet ne gegnishten
>letrare.
>
>Ndosta ka "rezultate" te tjera, qe s'po me kujtohen
>njihere per njihere... Megjithate dicka asht ba.

OK, e pranoj gabimin, se ketu nuk isha i qarte. Kuptohet se debatet rreth
gjuhes letrare qe kane ndodhur ne Shqiperi ne 1990-at, nese asgje tjeter e
kane thyer njehere e pergjithmone mitin per gjuhen e "njesuar". Kjo duhet
te pranohet. (Lidhur me kete, eshte paksa kurioze nderhyrja e gjuhetareve
kosovare ne kete debat, te gjithe me argumente ne mbrojtje te gjuhes
letrare.) Per kete duhet t'i falenderohemi gjuhetareve nga Shkodra, por ne
radhe te pare Arshi Pipes i cili ishte i pari qe ngriti nje kritike serioze
kunder gjuhes letrare.

Per rezultatet, une e kisha fjalen te masat konkrete per revidimin e gjuhes
letrare. Dihet se edhe pas debateve, ne rregullat formale te gjuhes letrare
nuk eshte bere asnje ndryshim.

>Nuk ka rregulla te shkrueme qe i lejojne ose ndalojne
>fjalet e gjuhes. Fjalet jane si malli ne treg... do
>"shiten" ma mire, do ma keq... Fjalet e reja lindin
>gjithnji, e nese pelqehen - "shiten" Nuk ka rregull qe
>caktohet ne menyre eksplicite e qe thote "filan fjale
>fiton te drejten me u tregtue..." :)

Kete thuaju lektoreve te gazetave e librave, qe reagojne shume shpejt kur
ne tekst shohin ndonje fjale te pazakonshme te shkruar apo qe nuk perputhet
me normat e aktuale (pervec, ndoshta, nese eshte ndonje fjale e anglishtes
ose italishtes...).

>Veshtiresi nuk mundet me shkaktue, tek asht shum e
>thjeshte, po sa per "kornizat" (qe i permende
>fillimisht) ato i luen...

Edhe njehere qe te mos keqkuptohemi, me kornizat mendova ne rregullat e
pergjithshme te gjuhes letrare. Nese ne kete standard shtohet paskajorja,
nuk behet ndonje ndryshim thelbesor, rregullat mbesin te njejta, vecse se
aty-ketu shtohet ndonje trajte gramatikore qe tash, simbas rregullave
gramatikore konsiderohet e palejueshme (apo jo-ekzistuese).

>Kete qe po e thue uroj me pa te nisun sa ma pare.
>Gjuhen nuk e bajne gjuhetaret, ata vec regjistrojne,
>evidentojne..

Kjo eshte e vertete, dhe me e keqja eshte se legata e 50 vjeteve te fundit
na ka mesuar qe te gjitha t'i presim te na servoje dikush nga siper...

>Shum bukur a thane. Me vjen mire qe keto stereotipe
>paskan nise me u zbehe.

Mendoj se eshte detyre e secilit qe t'i kundervihemi ketyre stereotipeve.
Duhet te pranojme faktin se jemi popull divers dhe heterogjen, e t'i ikim
tendences se deritanishme, ku gjithcka qe eshte kombetare duhet te
homogjenizohet (nje komb - nje gjuhe letrare - nje parti - nje lider
etj...).

Te fala,
Besniku





From iberisha at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 18 21:27:49 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Fri Feb 18 21:27:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <20000219022713.7847.qmail@web3707.mail.yahoo.com>

> OK, e pranoj gabimin, se ketu nuk isha i qarte.
> Kuptohet se debatet rreth
> gjuhes letrare qe kane ndodhur ne Shqiperi ne
> 1990-at, nese asgje tjeter e
> kane thyer njehere e pergjithmone mitin per gjuhen e
> "njesuar". Kjo duhet
> te pranohet. (Lidhur me kete, eshte paksa kurioze
> nderhyrja e gjuhetareve
> kosovare ne kete debat, te gjithe me argumente ne
> mbrojtje te gjuhes
> letrare.) Per kete duhet t'i falenderohemi
> gjuhetareve nga Shkodra, por ne
> radhe te pare Arshi Pipes i cili ishte i pari qe
> ngriti nje kritike serioze
> kunder gjuhes letrare.
> 

Per gjuhetaret kosovare nuk di pse po cuditesh. E tane
te gardes se vjeter, me asnji argument gjuhesor, e
vetem nji pseudoargument politik... edhe cka asht shum
me randesi, me keqkuptimin e kompleksin se gegnishtja
asht vec e Kosoves. Ua ndigjon argumentin e thue ti,
integrimi i trajtave gege po na e baka gjuhen ma pak
shqip. Ne nivelin gjuhesor te diskutimit as qe u shkon
mendja me kuvendue ndonjihere.


> Per rezultatet, une e kisha fjalen te masat konkrete
> per revidimin e gjuhes
> letrare. Dihet se edhe pas debateve, ne rregullat
> formale te gjuhes letrare
> nuk eshte bere asnje ndryshim.

E qeshtuzme asht bota shqiptare :( Gjanat ecin me
ritem te vonuem.
 
> >Veshtiresi nuk mundet me shkaktue, tek asht shum e
> >thjeshte, po sa per "kornizat" (qe i permende
> >fillimisht) ato i luen...
> 
> Edhe njehere qe te mos keqkuptohemi, me kornizat
> mendova ne rregullat e
> pergjithshme te gjuhes letrare. Nese ne kete
> standard shtohet paskajorja,
> nuk behet ndonje ndryshim thelbesor, rregullat
> mbesin te njejta, vecse se
> aty-ketu shtohet ndonje trajte gramatikore qe tash,
> simbas rregullave
> gramatikore konsiderohet e palejueshme (apo
> jo-ekzistuese).
> 

Mire. Tash qe po e verej veshtiresine tande ne
formulimin e mendimit, gja qe mbase vjen prej
mosnjohjes ndoshta te zhargonit linguistik, mundem me
te thane se po merremi vesh. Per ma shum, po
pajtohemi. Do te kete qene pune e moskuptimit prej
anes teme, i nocionit qe ti do ta kesh pase parasysh
me ate "kornizat"... Me paskajoren ne shqipe shtohen
disa kohe te foljes, ndryshon pjesorja, paradigma
foljore, mbiemnat e emnat prejfoljore rrjedhimisht...
po jo aq sa me u ba problematike per nji jugor. Kjo
asht e vertete. 
Po , shtohen edhe aftesite lakonike te shqipes, me nji
amplitude te hatashme. Paskajorja simbas meje asht
celesi i krejt problematikes. 

> Kjo eshte e vertete, dhe me e keqja eshte se legata
> e 50 vjeteve te fundit
> na ka mesuar qe te gjitha t'i presim te na servoje
> dikush nga siper...
>

Kohe te shkueme. Shpejt shpresoj se edhe te harrueme.
Vlerat sidoqofte, edhe te kesaj kohe, do t'i
rezistojne ndryshimeve transitore. Pra, nuk shembet
shpia, po rritet edhe per nji kat, bahet ma hapsinore
:)

 
> Mendoj se eshte detyre e secilit qe t'i kundervihemi
> ketyre stereotipeve.
> Duhet te pranojme faktin se jemi popull divers dhe
> heterogjen, e t'i ikim
> tendences se deritanishme, ku gjithcka qe eshte
> kombetare duhet te
> homogjenizohet (nje komb - nje gjuhe letrare - nje
> parti - nje lider
> etj...).


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From MentorNimani at aol.com  Fri Feb 18 22:23:26 2000
From: MentorNimani at aol.com (MentorNimani at aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 18 22:23:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin Juridik
Message-ID: <34.19843e4.25df663a@aol.com>

Te nderuar Zonja dhe Zoterinje
anetare te kesaj liste diskutimi,

Quhem Mentor Nimani (27), jurist nga Prishtina (i lindur ne Peje). Qe nga 
prilli 1999 jetoj ne SHBA.
Kam nevoje per ndihmen urgjente tuaj.

Qe nga ardhja ime ne SHBA, kam rene ne kontakt me qarqe qeveritare te 
SHBA-ve. Nje nga organizatat qeveritare
ka ofruar ndihmen per financimin e nje projekti te quajtur SATELITE LEARNING 
PROJECT. Me qellim te
krijimit te lidhjes satelitore ne mes te Fakultetit Juridik ne Prishtine dhe 
disa qendrave universitare te Evropes
perendimore, Turqi dhe SHBA.

Une jam munduar te prezentoj kete ide ne Fakultetin Juridik. Ata caktuan Z. 
Hajredin Kuqin si person i cili do te
marr persiper perpilimin e kerkeses zyrtare per realizimin e nje projekti te 
ketille per ta derguar ate ne Washington
DC.

Kane kaluar dhjete muaj, dhe pese lutje, bukvalisht lutje ne gjunje, qe i kam 
bere Z. Hajredin Kuqi dhe disa
Profesoreve tjere ne Fakultetin Juridik, duke u munduar t?ju spjegoj se nje 
projekt i ketill eshte shume i
mireseardhur dhe i rendesishem per Prishtine. I kam lutur qe te ndermarin sa 
me shpejte perpilimin e nje letre,
vetem nje letre te thjeshte, per te inicuar nje projekt multimilion dollaresh.

Per fat te keq te gjitha perpjekjet e mija kane hasur ne heshtje dhe premtime 
te zbrazeta.

Une sot morra informaten se brenda javes se ardheshme, skadon afati per kete 
projekt, dhe se ne rast se ne
Prishtine nuk egziston interesimi per kete projekt, i njejti do te realizohet 
ne Meksiko.

Duke marre parasyshe se nje projekt i ketill eshte i rendesise tejet te 
madhe, dhe duke marre parasyshe se ndoshta
nuk kam arrite te kontaktoj personat e duhur qe do te merrnin kete gje me me 
seriozitet.
Vendosa t?ju drejtohem Juve, anetare te nderuar te kesaj liste diskutimi.

Ju lutem Juve, posaqerisht Juve nga Prishtina qe nese keni mundesi te 
kontaktoni me dikend ne Fakultetin Juridik
dhe ti spjegoni per kete projekt dhe ti japni e-mail adresen time qe te mund 
te me dergoj kerkesen.

Shpresoj se do te keni se paku ndonje keshille apo ndonje person qe mund te 
kontaktoj e qe nuk eshte Hajredin
Kuqi.

Ju pershendes,
Mentor Nimani

PS. Ne mesin e antareve te kesaj liste eshte permenduar emri KEKA. Nese Keka 
eshte nga Londra dhe i fejuar me
Marsiden le te me lajmerohet ne kete liste diskutimi.



From burimh at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 19 06:59:21 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Sat Feb 19 06:59:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin Juridik
Message-ID: <20000219115843.86500.qmail@hotmail.com>

Qe emaili i Kekes: <Kreshnik_Qela at adc.com>

Ai momentalisht osht n'amerike(Boston), e nashta e
kontakton ma lehte.
Mentor, pse s'po provon qit emailin(lutjen) tond me e
botu ne gazetat tona psh Koha ditore(emaili:redaksia at kohaditore.com
ose botimi nderkombtar: koha at magnet.ch)

tung e sukses
Burimi


>From: MentorNimani at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin 
>Juridik
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:21:30 EST
>
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>
>Te nderuar Zonja dhe Zoterinje
>anetare te kesaj liste diskutimi,
>
>Quhem Mentor Nimani (27), jurist nga Prishtina (i lindur ne Peje). Qe nga
>prilli 1999 jetoj ne SHBA.
>Kam nevoje per ndihmen urgjente tuaj.
>
>Qe nga ardhja ime ne SHBA, kam rene ne kontakt me qarqe qeveritare te
>SHBA-ve. Nje nga organizatat qeveritare
>ka ofruar ndihmen per financimin e nje projekti te quajtur SATELITE 
>LEARNING
>PROJECT. Me qellim te
>krijimit te lidhjes satelitore ne mes te Fakultetit Juridik ne Prishtine 
>dhe
>disa qendrave universitare te Evropes
>perendimore, Turqi dhe SHBA.
>
>Une jam munduar te prezentoj kete ide ne Fakultetin Juridik. Ata caktuan Z.
>Hajredin Kuqin si person i cili do te
>marr persiper perpilimin e kerkeses zyrtare per realizimin e nje projekti 
>te
>ketille per ta derguar ate ne Washington
>DC.
>
>Kane kaluar dhjete muaj, dhe pese lutje, bukvalisht lutje ne gjunje, qe i 
>kam
>bere Z. Hajredin Kuqi dhe disa
>Profesoreve tjere ne Fakultetin Juridik, duke u munduar t?ju spjegoj se nje
>projekt i ketill eshte shume i
>mireseardhur dhe i rendesishem per Prishtine. I kam lutur qe te ndermarin 
>sa
>me shpejte perpilimin e nje letre,
>vetem nje letre te thjeshte, per te inicuar nje projekt multimilion 
>dollaresh.
>
>Per fat te keq te gjitha perpjekjet e mija kane hasur ne heshtje dhe 
>premtime
>te zbrazeta.
>
>Une sot morra informaten se brenda javes se ardheshme, skadon afati per 
>kete
>projekt, dhe se ne rast se ne
>Prishtine nuk egziston interesimi per kete projekt, i njejti do te 
>realizohet
>ne Meksiko.
>
>Duke marre parasyshe se nje projekt i ketill eshte i rendesise tejet te
>madhe, dhe duke marre parasyshe se ndoshta
>nuk kam arrite te kontaktoj personat e duhur qe do te merrnin kete gje me 
>me
>seriozitet.
>Vendosa t?ju drejtohem Juve, anetare te nderuar te kesaj liste diskutimi.
>
>Ju lutem Juve, posaqerisht Juve nga Prishtina qe nese keni mundesi te
>kontaktoni me dikend ne Fakultetin Juridik
>dhe ti spjegoni per kete projekt dhe ti japni e-mail adresen time qe te 
>mund
>te me dergoj kerkesen.
>
>Shpresoj se do te keni se paku ndonje keshille apo ndonje person qe mund te
>kontaktoj e qe nuk eshte Hajredin
>Kuqi.
>
>Ju pershendes,
>Mentor Nimani
>
>PS. Ne mesin e antareve te kesaj liste eshte permenduar emri KEKA. Nese 
>Keka
>eshte nga Londra dhe i fejuar me
>Marsiden le te me lajmerohet ne kete liste diskutimi.
>
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 19 12:18:44 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Sat Feb 19 12:18:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <20000219171842.24102.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>


--- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe
> cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na
> pranoje si shtet
> ju pershendes
> Samiu
>
Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch bile, se
ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe une me
schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:) ose ma
mire me thane eurogheghe:)
tung

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Feb 19 17:04:32 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Feb 19 17:04:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "easy to get away with in a Third World country"
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002191701250.22725-100000@alb-net.com>

US soldier accused of sex slaying "had killed before": witness

CAMP BONDSTEEL, Yugoslavia, Feb 18 (AFP) - 
A US soldier charged with raping and murdering an 11-year-old girl in
Kosovo boasted to a comrade that he had killed before, a witness said
Friday.

Staff Sergeant Frank Ronghi allegedly told a private who helped him bury
the body in snow it was "easy to get away with something like this in a
Third World country." 

Read the full story at:
http://sg.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=singapore/headlines/000219/world/afp/US_soldier_accused_of_sex_slaying__had_killed_before___witness.html






From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Sun Feb 20 09:20:43 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Sun Feb 20 09:20:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
References: <20000219171842.24102.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01bf7bad$b0691aa0$27e086d4@pbncomputer>

Per 22 vjet kam jetuar ne Prishtine, ku edhe kam lindur, dhe kam pasur
kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha aneve ,kah flitet ghuha shqipe,
mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te cilet e kane perdorur fjalen
"shyp".
Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj gjuhen letrare gege.  Pune e
mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes se nje alfabeti te
pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re artaficiale.(Une e di se shumica e ghuheve
te botes e kane nga nje ghuhe artificiale te quajtur ghuha letrare dhe te
gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente nga njeri dialect i tyre.)
Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur pakez ghuhen gjermane une
nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
Yo, nuck barn meh fleyt tash!
kete alfabet do ta quaja gegerishte_me_alfabet_anglez. Pse jo!

Tash njeqind vjet shqiptare grindeshin per gjetjen e nje alfabeti duke
zgjedhur ne mesin e alfabeteve:
latin, arab, turk...

e sot pas njeqind vjete kur gjithcka e eshte gati : te rrenojme gjithcka
shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u rrenua Shqiperia nga
shqitaret

ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne ghuhen shqipe
 ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo dialekt a te folme nga nje
shtet

dhe nga nje gjuhe

dhe te ndahmi edhe ne pergjithmone

ashtu si armiqte tane deshiruan

ashtu sic Serbia deshiroi
ashtu sic Greqia uroi
ashtu sic Rusia pret te ngre dolli

Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Rame Delijaj


----- Original Message -----
From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane


>
>
> --- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> > cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe
> > cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na
> > pranoje si shtet
> > ju pershendes
> > Samiu
> >
> Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch bile, se
> ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe une me
> schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:) ose ma
> mire me thane eurogheghe:)
> tung
>
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From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Sun Feb 20 10:08:57 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Sun Feb 20 10:08:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] cashtja e gjuhes
Message-ID: <001101bf7bc4$f2285840$a3aaf880@xyz.uic.edu>

nje shkrim qe ishte botuar ne 'the economist' me sa marr vesh; fjalet e para
te shkrimit jane "migjen kelmendi";

http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/alb-club/Week-of-Mon-20000214/002867.html






From dardan at prishtina.com  Sun Feb 20 11:35:59 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Sun Feb 20 11:35:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Eh rrnoft=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB?= Amerika
Message-ID: <200002201135.AA3408420@prishtina.com>

ATO hunts for guns in Kosovo tinderbox town

By Andrew Gray

  
KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Yugoslavia, Feb 20 (Reuters) - Hundreds of NATO troops hunted for weapons and paramilitary criminals in an ethnically volatile Kosovo city on Sunday and U.S. soldiers involved in the search were attacked by stone-throwing Serbs. 

The American soldiers were checking flats in the Serb-dominated north of Mitrovica when Serbs started hurling stones and other projectiles at them, a spokesman for the KFOR peacekeeping force told Reuters. 

Lieutenant-Commander Philip Anido said KFOR troops had since secured the district and were in control of the situation. 

Oliver Ivanovic, chairman of the Serb National Council in Mitrovica, told Reuters that four Serbs had been injured by U.S. soldiers. Two were hit in the face with rifle barrels, he said. 

``They were very, very aggressive. I think they came just to provoke something like this (stone-throwing). They were like Germans in the Second World War,'' Ivanovic said, adding that U.S. soldiers had kicked down doors and damaged flats. 

Nikola Kabasic, a spokesman for the Serb council, said, ``Maybe the (Americans) have watched too many John Wayne movies.'' 

A Reuters photographer also saw Serbs throwing stones at German armoured personnel carriers. 

Nationalist Serbs believe Americans and Germans have supported their enemies -- Croats, Bosnian Moslems and Kosovo Albanians -- in Balkan ethnic conflicts over the past decade. 

A KFOR spokesman, British Warrant Officer Mark Cox, said he had no reports of injuries in the search operation. He also had not heard of complaints about excessive force but KFOR was prepared to look into such allegations. 

KFOR TARGETING ROOTS OF ARMED VIOLENCE 

Hundreds of KFOR troops from around a dozen nations took part in the dragnet for weapons and gunmen that also covered the Albanian-dominated southern side of Mitrovica. 

Mitrovica has been the scene of several eruptions of armed political violence this month that have left at least nine people dead and more than 20 wounded, including two French soldiers shot in gunbattles a week ago. 

Many Serbs see U.S. forces as enemies because of Washington's leading role in last year's NATO bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, launched to halt a Serbian purge of Kosovo's rebellious ethnic Albanian majority. 

KFOR said its soldiers had fanned out across the city and that the search operation would continue until the peacekeepers' commander, German General Klaus Reinhardt, was satisfied ``all threats to law and order have been crushed.'' 

``It's in everyone's best interests to rid the city of illegal and dangerous weapons and to detain troublemakers,'' said a KFOR spokesman. 

Troops from countries including France, Denmark, Belgium, Austria, the United States, Britain, Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway and Turkey were involved in the operation. 

Residents of the industrial city were advised via radio messages, loudspeakers and leaflets that the search was taking place and urged not to interfere, the spokesman said. 

Recent violence in Mitrovica has presented KFOR and Kosovo's United Nations-led administration with one of the most serious threats to their mission to bring security, law and order and democracy to the Yugoslav province. 

KFOR and the United Nations moved into Kosovo last June after Serbian security forces were driven out by NATO bombing. 

Serbs have grouped together in the north of Mitrovica to form a majority there. They say they have done so purely for their own protection, many having fled the Albanian revenge attacks which have plagued post-war Kosovo. 

The Serbs' action has angered the many ethnic Albanians who cannot return to their homes in northern Mitrovica. 




From burimh at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 20 12:01:25 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Sun Feb 20 12:01:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <20000220165956.83577.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "rdelia" <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk>
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>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:20:00 -0000
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>Per 22 vjet kam jetuar ne Prishtine, ku edhe kam lindur, dhe kam pasur
>kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha aneve ,kah flitet ghuha 
>shqipe,
>mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
>te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te cilet e kane perdorur fjalen
>"shyp".

N'PRISHTINE THA QI KE JETU A? HAJT TYBE!

>Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj gjuhen letrare gege.  Pune e
>mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes se nje alfabeti te
>pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re artaficiale.(Une e di se shumica e 
>ghuheve
>te botes e kane nga nje ghuhe artificiale te quajtur ghuha letrare dhe te
>gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente nga njeri dialect i tyre.)
>Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur pakez ghuhen gjermane une
>nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
>Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
>Yo, nuck barn meh fleyt tash!
>kete alfabet do ta quaja gegerishte_me_alfabet_anglez. Pse jo!
>
>Tash njeqind vjet shqiptare grindeshin per gjetjen e nje alfabeti duke
>zgjedhur ne mesin e alfabeteve:
>latin, arab, turk...
>
>e sot pas njeqind vjete kur gjithcka e eshte gati : te rrenojme gjithcka
>shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u rrenua Shqiperia nga
>shqitaret
>
>ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
>ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne ghuhen shqipe
>  ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo dialekt a te folme nga nje
>shtet
>
>dhe nga nje gjuhe
>
>dhe te ndahmi edhe ne pergjithmone
>
>ashtu si armiqte tane deshiruan
>
>ashtu sic Serbia deshiroi
>ashtu sic Greqia uroi
>ashtu sic Rusia pret te ngre dolli
>
>Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Rame Delijaj
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
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>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > > a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> > > cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe
> > > cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na
> > > pranoje si shtet
> > > ju pershendes
> > > Samiu
> > >
> > Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch bile, se
> > ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe une me
> > schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:) ose ma
> > mire me thane eurogheghe:)
> > tung
> >
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Sun Feb 20 12:45:47 2000
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 20 12:45:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
Message-ID: <9f.20830c6.25e18170@aol.com>

Vjollca un pajtohem plotsisht me juve,me pikat qe i ke ni cekur



From mehollim at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 20 14:21:45 2000
From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli)
Date: Sun Feb 20 14:21:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: Canada's Ambassador Bissett's speech on the Serbia-Kosova war
Message-ID: <20000220191926.66360.qmail@hotmail.com>


>Dear Friends,
>Hope you will find the following speech by Ambassador Bissett helpful as an
>alternative voice in understanding the war in Yugoslavia/Kosova. Thanks for
>your continued work on behalf of peaceful relations and relationships in
>and with Kosova and Yugoslavia.
>Peace,
>David
>
>
>
>* * *
>
>
>Subject: A must read! Ambassador Bisset's address to SCFAIT
>today!
>
>NOTES FOR ADDRESS TO STANDING COMMITTEE
>FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE (in Canada)
>
>1: introduction
>
>I wish to thank the committee for giving me the opportunity of
>speaking this morning.
>
>It is some comfort to know that although I was not allowed to
>speak to anyone in the Canadian embassy in Belgrade during a
>recent visit there that I am free to speak to members of the
>Canadian parliament.
>
>I have been an out spoken critic of the NATO bombing of
>Yugoslavia. I believe it to have been a tragic mistake--- a historic
>miscalculation that will have far reaching implications.
>
>When NATO bombs fell on Yugoslavia in the spring and summer
>of last year they caused more than just death and destruction in
>that country. The bombs also struck at the heart of international
>law and delivered a serious blow to the framework of global
>security that since the end of the second world war has protected
>all of us from the horrors of a nuclear war.
>
>Kosovo broke the ground rules for NATO engagement and the
>aggressive military intervention by NATO into the affairs of a
>sovereign state for other than defensive purposes marked an
>ominous turning point in the aims and objectives of that
>organization. It is important that we understand this and seek
>clarification as to whether this was a "one-off" aberration or a
>signal of fundamental change in the nature and purposes of the
>organization.this is something the committee might well examine
>in the course of its work.
>
>2: an illegal war
>
>NATO's war in Kosovo was conducted without the approval of the
>United Nations security council. It was a violation of international
>law, the United Nations charter and its own article 1, which
>requires NATO to settle any international disputes by peaceful
>means and not to threaten or use force, "in any manner
>inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations."
>
>Apologists for NATO including our own foreign and defence
>ministers try to avoid this issue by simply not mentioning it. There
>has been no attempt to explain why the United Nations security
>council was ignored. No effort to spell out under whose authority
>did NATO bomb Yugoslavia. The ministers and their officials
>continue to justify the air strikes on the grounds that the bombs
>were necessary to stop ethnic cleansing and atrocities, despite all
>the evidence that by far the bulk of the ethnic cleansing took place
>after the bombing not before it. It was the bombing that triggered
>off the worst of the ethnic cleansing.
>
>As for the atrocities it now seems that here again we were lied to
>about the extent of the crimes committed. United states secretary
>of defence Cohen told us that at least 100,000 Kosovars had
>perished. Tony Blair spoke of genocide being carried out in
>Kosovo. The media relished in these atrocity stories and printed
>
>every story told to them by Albanian, "eye witnesses." The myth
>that the war was to stop ethnic cleansing and atrocities continue to
>be perpetrated by department spokesmen and large parts of the
>media.
>
>No one wants to defend atrocities and the numbers game in such
>circumstances becomes sordid. Nevertheless numbers do become
>important if they are used to justify military action against a
>sovereign state. In the case of Kosovo it appears that about 2000
>people were killed there prior to the NATO bombing. Considering
>that a civil war had been underway since 1993 this is not a
>remarkable figure and compared with a great many other hot spots
>hardly enough to warrant a 79-day bombing campaign. It is also
>interesting to note that the un tribunal indictment of Milosovic of
>May 1999, cites only one incident of deaths before the bombing
>the infamous Racak incident, which itself is challenged by French
>journalists who were on the ground there and suspect a frame-up
>involving General Walker who sounded the alarm.
>
>The Kosovo "war" reveals disturbing evidence of how lies and
>duplicity can mislead us into accepting things that we instinctively
>know to be wrong. Jamie Shea and other NATO apologists have
>lied to us about the bombing. The sad thing is that most of the
>Canadian media, and our political representatives have accepted
>without question what has been told to us by NATO and our own
>foreign affairs spokesmen.
>
>3: an unnecessary war
>
>Perhaps the most serious charge against the NATO bombing of
>Yugoslavia is that it was unnecessary. NATO chose bombing over
>diplomacy, violence over negotiation. NATO's leaders tried to
>convince us that dropping tons of bombs on Yugoslavia was
>serving humanitarian purposes
>
>A UN Security Council resolution of October 1998 accepted by
>Yugoslavia, authorized over 1300 monitors from the organization
>for security and cooperation in Europe [OSCE] to enter Kosovo
>and try to de-escalate the fighting. From the accounts of a number
>of these monitors their task was successful. While cease-fire
>violations continued on both sides the intensity of the armed
>struggle was considerably abated.
>
>The former Czech foreign minister, Jiri Dienstbier, and Canada's
>own Rollie Keith of Vancouver  -- both monitors for the OSCE on
>the ground in Kosovo -- have publicly stated that there were no
>international refugees over the last five months of the OSCE's
>presence in Kosovo and the number of internally displaced only
>amounted to a few thousands in the weeks leading up to the
>bombing.
>
>The OSCE mission demonstrated that diplomacy and negotiation
>might well have resolved the Kosovo problem without resorting to
>the use of force. It was the failure of the United states to accept
>any flexibility in its dealing with Belgrade in the weeks leading up
>to the war that spelled diplomatic failure.
>
>The adamant refusal of the USA to involve either the Russians or
>the United Nations in the negotiations. The refusal to allow any
>other intermediary to deal with Milosovic and finally the
>imposition of the Rambouillet ultimatum which was clearly
>designed to ensure that Yugoslavia had no choice but to refuse its
>
>insulting terms.
>
>It is now generally accepted by those who have seen the
>Rambouillet Agreement that no sovereign state could have agreed
>to its conditions. The insistence of allowing access to all of
>Yugoslavia by NATO forces and the demand that a referendum on
>autonomy be held within three years guaranteed a Serbian
>rejection.
>
>The Serbian Parliament did, however, on March 23, state a
>willingness to "examine the character and extent of an
>international presence in Kosovo immediately after the signing of
>an autonomy accord acceptable to all national communities in
>Kosovo, the local Serb minority included." The United States was
>not interested in pursuing this offer. NATO needed its war.
>NATO's formal commitment to resolve international disputes by
>peaceful means was thrown out the window.
>
>The Rambouillet document itself was not easily obtained from
>NATO sources. The chairman of the defence committee of the
>French National Assembly asked for a copy shortly after the
>bombing commenced but was not given a copy until a few days
>before the UN peace treaty was signed. I hope that members of
>this committee have a copy to look at and will be able to find out
>when and if Canada was informed of its conditions.
>
>4: NATO's campaign a total failure
>
>We have been asked to believe that the war in Kosovo was fought
>for human rights. Indeed the president of the Czech Republic
>received a standing ovation in this House of Commons when he
>stated that Kosovo was the first war fought for human values
>rather than territory. I suspect even President Havel would have
>second thoughts about that statement now that a large part of
>Yugoslav territory has in effect been handed over to the
>Albanians.
>
>The war allegedly to stop ethnic cleansing has not done so. Serbs,
>Gypsies, Jews, and Slav Muslims are being forced out of Kosovo
>under the eyes of 45,000 NATO troops. Murder and anarchy
>reigns supreme in Kosovo as the KLA and criminal elements have
>taken charge. The United Nations admits failure to control the
>situation and warns Serbs not to return.
>
>The war allegedly to restore stability to the Balkans has done the
>opposite. Yugoslavia's neighbors are in a state of turmoil.
>Montenegro is on the edge of civil war. Macedonia is now worried
>that Kosovo has shown the way for its own sizeable Albanian
>minority to demand self-determination. Albania has been
>encouraged to strive harder to fulfill its dream of greater Albania.
>Serbia itself has been ruined economically -- embittered and
>disillusioned, it feels betrayed and alienated from the western
>democracies.
>
>The illegal and unnecessary war has alienated the other great
>nuclear powers, Russia and China. These countries are now
>convinced that the west cannot be trusted. NATO expansion
>eastward is seen as an aggressive and hostile threat and will be
>answered by an increase in the nuclear arsenal of both nations.
>After Kosovo who can with any conviction convince them that
>NATO is purely a defensive alliance dedicated to peace and to
>upholding the principles of the United Nations?
>
>More seriously the NATO bombing has destroyed NATO's
>credibility. NATO stood for more than just a powerful military
>
>organization. It stood for peace; the rule of law, and democratic
>institutions. The bombing of Yugoslavia threw all of that out the
>window.
>
>No longer can NATO stand on the moral high ground. Its action in
>Yugoslavia revealed it to be an aggressive military machine
>prepared to ignore international law and intervene with deadly
>force in the internal affairs of any state with whose actions or
>behaviour it does not agree.
>
>5:conclusions
>
>There are those who believe that the long-standing principle of
>state sovereignty can be over ruled when human rights violations
>are taking place in a country. Until Kosovo the ground rules for
>such intervention called for security council authority before such
>action could be taken. Apologists for NATO argue that it was
>unlikely security council authority could have been obtained
>because of the veto power of China or Russia. So it would appear
>rather than even try to get consent NATO took upon itself the
>powers of the security council. I am not sure we should all be
>comfortable with this development.
>
>undoubtedly there may be times when such intervention is
>justified and immediately Rwanda comes to mind, but
>intervention for humanitarian reasons is a dangerous concept.
>Who is to decide when to take such action and under whose
>authority? Hitler intervened in Czechoslovakia because he claimed
>the human rights of the Sudeten Germans were being violated.
>Those who advocate a change in the current rules for intervention
>are free to do so but until the rules change should we not all obey
>the ones that still have legitimacy?
>
>NATO made a serious mistake in Kosovo. Its bombing campaign
>was not only an unmitigated disaster but it changed fundamentally
>the very nature and purposes of the alliance. Does article 1 of the
>NATO treaty still stand? Does NATO still undertake to settle any
>international disputes in which it may become involved by
>peaceful means? Do the NATO countries still undertake to refrain
>in their international relations from the threat or use of force in
>any manner inconsistent with the purposes of the United Nations?
>
>Kosovo should serve as a warning call that Canadian democracy
>needs a shot in the arm to wake it up to the realities that foreign
>policy is important-important because as happened one day last
>march Canadians can wake up and find they are at war. Canadian
>pilots were bombing Serbia. Yet there was no declaration of war.
>The Canadian parliament was not consulted. The majority of the
>Canadian people had no idea where Kosovo was -let alone
>understand why our aircraft were bombing cities in a fellow nation
>state that had been a staunch ally during two world wars.
>
>It was not only Yugoslav sovereignty that was violated by
>NATO's illegal action. Canadian sovereignty was also abused.
>Canada had become involved in a war without any member of the
>Canadian parliament or the Canadian people being consulted.the
>ultimate expression of a nation's sovereignty is the right to declare
>war. NATO abrogated this right.
>
>If it essential that we give up some of our sovereignty as the price
>we pay for membership in global institutions such as NATO then
>
>it is mandatory that such institutions follow their own rules,
>respect the rule of law, and operate within the generally accepted
>framework of the United Nations Charter. This NATO did not do.
>It is for this reason I would suggest your committee must ask
>some tough questions about the nature of Canada's involvement in
>the Kosovo war.
>
>James Bissett
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 14:22:36 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Sun Feb 20 14:22:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Eh rrnoftë Amerika
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NA RROFTE:)



--- Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com> wrote

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> ATO hunts for guns in Kosovo tinderbox town
> 
> By Andrew Gray
> 
>   
> KOSOVSKA MITROVICA, Yugoslavia, Feb 20 (Reuters) -
> Hundreds of NATO troops hunted for weapons and
> paramilitary criminals in an ethnically volatile
> Kosovo city on Sunday and U.S. soldiers involved in
> the search were attacked by stone-throwing Serbs. 
> 
> The American soldiers were checking flats in the
> Serb-dominated north of Mitrovica when Serbs started
> hurling stones and other projectiles at them, a
> spokesman for the KFOR peacekeeping force told
> Reuters. 
> 
> Lieutenant-Commander Philip Anido said KFOR troops
> had since secured the district and were in control
> of the situation. 
> 
> Oliver Ivanovic, chairman of the Serb National
> Council in Mitrovica, told Reuters that four Serbs
> had been injured by U.S. soldiers. Two were hit in
> the face with rifle barrels, he said. 
> 
> ``They were very, very aggressive. I think they came
> just to provoke something like this
> (stone-throwing). They were like Germans in the
> Second World War,'' Ivanovic said, adding that U.S.
> soldiers had kicked down doors and damaged flats. 
> 
> Nikola Kabasic, a spokesman for the Serb council,
> said, ``Maybe the (Americans) have watched too many
> John Wayne movies.'' 
> 
> A Reuters photographer also saw Serbs throwing
> stones at German armoured personnel carriers. 
> 
> Nationalist Serbs believe Americans and Germans have
> supported their enemies -- Croats, Bosnian Moslems
> and Kosovo Albanians -- in Balkan ethnic conflicts
> over the past decade. 
> 
> A KFOR spokesman, British Warrant Officer Mark Cox,
> said he had no reports of injuries in the search
> operation. He also had not heard of complaints about
> excessive force but KFOR was prepared to look into
> such allegations. 
> 
> KFOR TARGETING ROOTS OF ARMED VIOLENCE 
> 
> Hundreds of KFOR troops from around a dozen nations
> took part in the dragnet for weapons and gunmen that
> also covered the Albanian-dominated southern side of
> Mitrovica. 
> 
> Mitrovica has been the scene of several eruptions of
> armed political violence this month that have left
> at least nine people dead and more than 20 wounded,
> including two French soldiers shot in gunbattles a
> week ago. 
> 
> Many Serbs see U.S. forces as enemies because of
> Washington's leading role in last year's NATO
> bombing campaign against Yugoslavia, launched to
> halt a Serbian purge of Kosovo's rebellious ethnic
> Albanian majority. 
> 
> KFOR said its soldiers had fanned out across the
> city and that the search operation would continue
> until the peacekeepers' commander, German General
> Klaus Reinhardt, was satisfied ``all threats to law
> and order have been crushed.'' 
> 
> ``It's in everyone's best interests to rid the city
> of illegal and dangerous weapons and to detain
> troublemakers,'' said a KFOR spokesman. 
> 
> Troops from countries including France, Denmark,
> Belgium, Austria, the United States, Britain,
> Canada, the Netherlands, Germany, Norway and Turkey
> were involved in the operation. 
> 
> Residents of the industrial city were advised via
> radio messages, loudspeakers and leaflets that the
> search was taking place and urged not to interfere,
> the spokesman said. 
> 
> Recent violence in Mitrovica has presented KFOR and
> Kosovo's United Nations-led administration with one
> of the most serious threats to their mission to
> bring security, law and order and democracy to the
> Yugoslav province. 
> 
> KFOR and the United Nations moved into Kosovo last
> June after Serbian security forces were driven out
> by NATO bombing. 
> 
> Serbs have grouped together in the north of
> Mitrovica to form a majority there. They say they
> have done so purely for their own protection, many
> having fled the Albanian revenge attacks which have
> plagued post-war Kosovo. 
> 
> The Serbs' action has angered the many ethnic
> Albanians who cannot return to their homes in
> northern Mitrovica. 
> 
> 
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 14:27:55 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Sun Feb 20 14:27:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <20000220192753.5856.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>








Allahile rame me con ye ca perlahesh. Per kriyimin e
ghuhes(falimneres per inspeerim) letrare gheghe
repherou te artikuy ma serioz si psh te Vjolltses
 ose Ilirit. Une yam expert ne euroschip e jo
n'gheghnisht. Banya si une e mso ditchka prey nyerzve
ma t'menchem. Ene mo na mbyt me patriotisma
pathetique.

Eyvallah
Shema 









--- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
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> Per 22 vjet kam jetuar ne Prishtine, ku edhe kam
> lindur, dhe kam pasur
> kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha aneve
> ,kah flitet ghuha shqipe,
> mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete
> shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
> te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te cilet
> e kane perdorur fjalen
> "shyp".
> Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj gjuhen
> letrare gege.  Pune e
> mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes se
> nje alfabeti te
> pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re artaficiale.(Une e
> di se shumica e ghuheve
> te botes e kane nga nje ghuhe artificiale te quajtur
> ghuha letrare dhe te
> gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente nga
> njeri dialect i tyre.)
> Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur
> pakez ghuhen gjermane une
> nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
> Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
> Yo, nuck barn meh fleyt tash!
> kete alfabet do ta quaja
> gegerishte_me_alfabet_anglez. Pse jo!
> 
> Tash njeqind vjet shqiptare grindeshin per gjetjen e
> nje alfabeti duke
> zgjedhur ne mesin e alfabeteve:
> latin, arab, turk...
> 
> e sot pas njeqind vjete kur gjithcka e eshte gati :
> te rrenojme gjithcka
> shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u
> rrenua Shqiperia nga
> shqitaret
> 
> ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
> ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne ghuhen
> shqipe
>  ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo dialekt
> a te folme nga nje
> shtet
> 
> dhe nga nje gjuhe
> 
> dhe te ndahmi edhe ne pergjithmone
> 
> ashtu si armiqte tane deshiruan
> 
> ashtu sic Serbia deshiroi
> ashtu sic Greqia uroi
> ashtu sic Rusia pret te ngre dolli
> 
> Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Rame Delijaj
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me
> thane
> 
> 
> >
> >
> > --- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > > a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> > > cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe
> > > cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na
> > > pranoje si shtet
> > > ju pershendes
> > > Samiu
> > >
> > Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch bile,
> se
> > ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe une
> me
> > schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:) ose ma
> > mire me thane eurogheghe:)
> > tung
> >
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Sun Feb 20 15:30:33 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Sun Feb 20 15:30:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <v04003a00b4d5ff489ffa@[216.254.26.135]>

Meqe e patem fjalen rreth gjuhes letrare, me poshte eshte nje artikull
rreth saj derguar ne nje liste tjeter. Perfundimi me duket paksa i
ekzagjeruar, por mund te gjykoni vete.

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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:03:33 -0800 (PST)
From: altin topi <altin_topi at yahoo.com>
To: alb-club at alb-net.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Subject: [Alb-club] The Economist

<P> The following article is an editorial viewpoint of
The Economist(Europe section)



<P> The Albanian last taboo<P/>


<P>MIGJEN KELMENDI, a Kosovo Albanian writer, is the
author of a column in a Pristina newspaper. Nothing
unusual about that, except that he has taken the
radical step of writing it in the language his people
actually speaks. "It's the last taboo," he says.</P>
<P>The language issue is a taboo because it?begs a
question which most Albanians have never had to face.
If Albanians speak one language, is there not a case
for a single "Greater Albanian" state? Broadly
speaking all Albanians do speak the same language but
in two distinct dialects: Tosk, spoken in southern
Albania, and Gheg, spoken by majority of Albanians in
northern Albania and in Kosovo, a province of Serbia
in neighboring Yugoslavia. In 1972 Albanian and
Kosovar academics agreed on a standard literary
language. The problem was that it was based on Tosk.
So the Kosovars found themselves writing what they do
not speak.</P>
<P>The? reason that the Albanians on both sides of the
border could agree on this was political. Enver Hoxha,
the stalinist who ran Albania from the end of the
second world war until his death in 1985, came from
the southern town of Gjirokaster, where they speak
Tosk. He was suspicious of Albanians from north
because his communist comrades had tended to be
southerners, while most of the wartime foes,
nationalist of various non-Marxist persuasions, were
Gheg northerners. For their part, Kosovars found the
adaption of this single language convenient: it may
not have been the tongue they spoke at home, but its
political message was "we are all Albanians - not
Yugoslavs".</P>
<P>Until recently, Kosovars who so much as dared to
query the value of this link with Albania laid
themselves open to charges of being pro-Serb. Now that
the Serbs no longer run Kosovo, however, some
ethnic-Albanians, such as Mr. Kelmendi, want to
re-open the question of language standardization. Why,
they ask, should it be based on Tosk, the dialect
Kosovars do not speak?</P>
<P>Many other Kosovars, however, are still loth to
raise the issue, because it questions Albanians'
unity. Ismail Kadare, Albania's best-known writer, who
was recently in Pristina, Kosovo's capital, for a
pan-Albanian book fair, is enraged at the idea that
the matter should be re-examined. Like Hoxha, he hails
from Gjirokaster - and co-signed the language
standardization agreement in 1972. Even to mention the
subject, he says, is a "dirty provocation" prompted by
Serbian propagandists to divide the Albanians.</P>
<P>If Albanians do not speak quite the same language,
than how robust is the case for a Greater Albania?
Albanian unity, and the making of a Greater Albania
that would embrace today's Albania, Kosovo and the
western chunk of Macedonia, is not in the political
agenda - yet. But it will be, sooner or later. The
government in Tirana, Albania's capital, is already
urging that the school curricula of Albania and Kosovo
be merged. A pragmatic gesture? Or the first post-war
step towards a Greater Albania?</P>




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From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Sun Feb 20 17:14:07 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Sun Feb 20 17:14:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
References: <20000218164019.60692.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38B068C3.27D78A18@vnet.net>

Rubim som u leq rome se na llake

Burim Hana wrote:

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> Jo bre se gabim e ki, se Ibrahim Rugova o kone 'president' i UCK, po hala
> s'o vakti m'u cele...    :)
>
> >From: "Dardan Blaku" <dardan at prishtina.com>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Prishtina-l]
> >Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:40:36 -0500
> >
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> >
> >Po te mos ja niste U?K-ja aktivitetin e vet, me siguri se edhe tash do te
> >vazhdonim ti ndertonim institucionet paralele dhe shkollat/shpajza
> >te cilat i aprovonte edhe Serbia. Ne nje rast, e mbaj mend z.Rugova ne
> >vitin 1998 qe na paska qene ankuar se "shkaku i U?K-se, Serbia po na i
> >shkaterron shkollat paralele ne Drenice".
> >
> >
> >
> >---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 20 19:40:21 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Sun Feb 20 19:40:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <20000221003949.29611.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> Meqe e patem fjalen rreth gjuhes letrare, me poshte
> eshte nje artikull
> rreth saj derguar ne nje liste tjeter. Perfundimi me
> duket paksa i
> ekzagjeruar, por mund te gjykoni vete.
> 

Menyra se si e trajton cashtjen artikulli len shum per
me deshirue. Konkluzat nuk jane ne relacion logjik a
koherent ma cashtjen qe mundohet me trajtue. Thjesht
qenka shkrue shkel e shko!
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 21 07:01:54 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Mon Feb 21 07:01:54 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <20000221120122.32456.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Ilir Berisha:
> >
> > Meqe e patem fjalen rreth gjuhes letrare, me poshte
> > eshte nje artikull
> > rreth saj derguar ne nje liste tjeter. Perfundimi me
> > duket paksa i
> > ekzagjeruar, por mund te gjykoni vete.
> >
>Menyra se si e trajton cashtjen artikulli len shum per
>me deshirue. Konkluzat nuk jane ne relacion logjik a
>koherent ma cashtjen qe mundohet me trajtue. Thjesht
>qenka shkrue shkel e shko!

Na e zberthe nje cike kete pohim tendin. Mua artikulli m'u duk fare i mire. 
Kjo ceshtje ne fund te fundit mund te trajtohet vetem politikisht sic e 
kishte bere autori.

Vetem desha te shtoja dic rreth planprogrameve:
Njesimi i planprogrameve mesimore eshte njesoj si njesimi i gjuhes. I mbetet 
ne ndergjegje te mesimdhenesit ta zbatoje ate.
Psh. degjova se ne Univerzitetin e Tiranes me planprogram tash vone ka hyre 
qe duhet bere ca ore per Fishten, mirepo profesori nuk e sheh te domosdoshme 
t'i permbahet kesaj.
Njesoj me kujtohet se edhe profesori im i historise nuk e shihte te 
nevojshme t'i ligjeronte oret e parapara per histori serbe ose jugosllave. 
Ne nuk ankoheshim asnjeri, e as ne Tirane rrezik nuk ankohet njeri...

v.
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 21 11:14:59 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon Feb 21 11:14:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <20000221161427.19367.qmail@hotmail.com>



>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 13:01:22 CET
>
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>
>>Ilir Berisha:
>> >
>> > Meqe e patem fjalen rreth gjuhes letrare, me poshte
>> > eshte nje artikull
>> > rreth saj derguar ne nje liste tjeter. Perfundimi me
>> > duket paksa i
>> > ekzagjeruar, por mund te gjykoni vete.
>> >
>>Menyra se si e trajton cashtjen artikulli len shum per
>>me deshirue. Konkluzat nuk jane ne relacion logjik a
>>koherent ma cashtjen qe mundohet me trajtue. Thjesht
>>qenka shkrue shkel e shko!
>
>Na e zberthe nje cike kete pohim tendin. Mua artikulli m'u duk fare i mire.
>Kjo ceshtje ne fund te fundit mund te trajtohet vetem politikisht sic e
>kishte bere autori.
>
>Vetem desha te shtoja dic rreth planprogrameve:
>Njesimi i planprogrameve mesimore eshte njesoj si njesimi i gjuhes. I 
>mbetet
>ne ndergjegje te mesimdhenesit ta zbatoje ate.
>Psh. degjova se ne Univerzitetin e Tiranes me planprogram tash vone ka hyre
>qe duhet bere ca ore per Fishten, mirepo profesori nuk e sheh te 
>domosdoshme
>t'i permbahet kesaj.
>Njesoj me kujtohet se edhe profesori im i historise nuk e shihte te
>nevojshme t'i ligjeronte oret e parapara per histori serbe ose jugosllave.
>Ne nuk ankoheshim asnjeri, e as ne Tirane rrezik nuk ankohet njeri...

SA SHEMBULL T'MIRE KE MARE! FISHTA=SHKIJE !!!

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From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon Feb 21 13:45:37 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon Feb 21 13:45:37 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
In-Reply-To: <20000221003949.29611.qmail@web3702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v04003a05b4d725c3366f@[216.254.26.136]>

At 4:39 PM -0800 2/20/00, Ilir Berisha wrote:
>Menyra se si e trajton cashtjen artikulli len shum per
>me deshirue. Konkluzat nuk jane ne relacion logjik a
>koherent ma cashtjen qe mundohet me trajtue. Thjesht
>qenka shkrue shkel e shko!

Mendoj se autori i atij artikulli ia filloi me ceshtjen e gjuhes, por
pastaj ekzistimin e me shume se te nje variante te saj e lidhe me ceshtjen
e qenies komb. Thua se ka ndonje rregull qe thote se per me qene komb
duhesh me pase vetem nje gjuhe te folur dhe te shkruar. (Shenim: sa mire
shkon paskajorja ne fjali te ketilla pergjithesuese :))

Dihet fare mire se ka kombe qe perdorin me shume se nje variante te nje
gjuhe (bile edhe me shume se nje gjuhe) dhe prape thirren komb. Ne Norvegji
p.sh. perdoren dy standarde te shkruara te bazuara ne dialekte te ndryshme.
Edhe ne boten e anglishtes, p.sh. ne Skotlande jane paraqitur shkrimtare qe
shkruajne ne dialektin skocez.

Sic e permenda edhe me pare, te shqiptaret ka ekzistuar qysh prej kohesh
tradita e perdorimit te dy dialekteve, jo vetem ne te folur por edhe ne
shkrim, tradite qe u prish vetem me ardhjen ne pushtet ne Shqiperi te nje
gjirokastriti qe kujtonte se eshte Zot dhe gjithcka deshi te beje "in his
own image". Po nganjehere duket se ideologjia e tij kombetare aq thelle na
ka depertuar ne ndergjegje sa qe as vete nuk e verejme.

-Besniku







From iberisha at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 16:21:35 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Mon Feb 21 16:21:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <20000221212102.10711.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>

Kjo ma poshte asht pjesa permshelese e artikullit ne
"economist".  Une madje do te thosha fjalia e pare me
ate te fundit sugjerojne ide kontradiktore.


> If Albanians do not speak quite the same
> language,
> than how robust is the case for a Greater Albania?
> Albanian unity, and the making of a Greater Albania
> that would embrace today's Albania, Kosovo and the
> western chunk of Macedonia, is not in the political
> agenda - yet. But it will be, sooner or later. The
> government in Tirana, Albania's capital, is already
> urging that the school curricula of Albania and
> Kosovo
> be merged. A pragmatic gesture? Or the first
> post-war
> step towards a Greater Albania?

Per ma shum, s'po kuptoj se ne c'lidhshmeni jane
cashtja e ringjalljes se gegnishtes me formimin e
Shqipnise se Madhe? Ideja per ringjalljen e gegnishtes
asht nise ne VETE Shqipnine, pra nuk perban ndonji
pike ku Kosova e Shqipnia divergjojne. Madje edhe vete
sugjerimi se ringjallja e gegnishtes asht tendence per
percamje asht krejt i gabuem. Ithtaret e kesaj
nisjative jane t'interesuem per rikqyrjen e
rivendosjen e raporteve te perbashkesise, jo per
percamje.
"Njisia e gjuhes asht njisia e kombit" - asht maksima
e gjuhetareve kosovare , po rasti i Kosoves, ku ne
perdorim zyrtar asht gjuha standarde e njejte me ate
te Shqipnise, defton se "njisia e gjuhes nuk dmth
njisi e kombit", meqe ende nuk ka njisim kombtar te
mirefillte.
Rasti i Norvegjise, qe jep Besniku, tregon fort bukur
se as e kunderta "njisia e kombit asht njisi e gjuhes"
nuk asht domosdoshmenisht e vertete. 
Thjesht, nuk ka ndonji formule universale qe duhet te
vleje per me ilustrue raportin e gjuhes me kombin.
Fundja as qe ka formule universale per me definue
gjuhen a kombin :)




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From silke.blumbach at t-online.de  Mon Feb 21 18:13:13 2000
From: silke.blumbach at t-online.de (Silke Blumbach)
Date: Mon Feb 21 18:13:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] "AlbanianSpirituality" - Mire se vini !!
Message-ID: <38B1C4B5.80094461@t-online.de>

Te dashur miq,

zbuloni nje faqe tjeter te Shqiptarise! Ne kuader te programit
"onelist", krijova nje liste e-mail-i kushtuar spiritualitetit shqiptar:


             "This community is about double-headed eagles, golden
sheep, Mother Teresa, very
              special sufis, holy paintings, powerful words, the true
meaning of hospitality and much
              more. It is above all about a fascinating people which
most of the time of its existence
              lived next to the abyss of annihilation, and about the
spiritual ressources it created in
              order to survive. Join me and travel to an unknown, rich
ALBANIA !! (in English and
              Albanian) "

A jeni bere kureshtare? Bile keni ndonje ide te mire, ndonje artikull
interesant? Atehere anetarizoheni se shpejti!
Shkoni ne:

            www.onelist.com/group/AlbanianSpirituality

ose dergojini nje e-mail te zbrazet kesaj adrese:

            AlbanianSpirituality-subscribe at onelist.com

Kam ndermend te filloj duke i derguar listes disa mendime intuitive qe
kam per Shqiperine (ne kuptim te gjere: "populli shqiptar" ose "kultura
shqiptare").

Mirulexofshim, pra!

Juaja
Silke







From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Mon Feb 21 21:23:35 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Mon Feb 21 21:23:35 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
References: <20000220192753.5856.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002e01bf7cdb$d8b9cac0$6bc828c3@pbncomputer>

Pune e mbare pra te qofte me krijimin e ksaj gjuhes tende te re euroship apo
asio-ship sido qe ta quajsh

Tung
Rama
----- Original Message -----
From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Allahile rame me con ye ca perlahesh. Per kriyimin e
> ghuhes(falimneres per inspeerim) letrare gheghe
> repherou te artikuy ma serioz si psh te Vjolltses
>  ose Ilirit. Une yam expert ne euroschip e jo
> n'gheghnisht. Banya si une e mso ditchka prey nyerzve
> ma t'menchem. Ene mo na mbyt me patriotisma
> pathetique.
>
> Eyvallah
> Shema
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > Per 22 vjet kam jetuar ne Prishtine, ku edhe kam
> > lindur, dhe kam pasur
> > kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha aneve
> > ,kah flitet ghuha shqipe,
> > mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete
> > shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
> > te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te cilet
> > e kane perdorur fjalen
> > "shyp".
> > Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj gjuhen
> > letrare gege.  Pune e
> > mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes se
> > nje alfabeti te
> > pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re artaficiale.(Une e
> > di se shumica e ghuheve
> > te botes e kane nga nje ghuhe artificiale te quajtur
> > ghuha letrare dhe te
> > gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente nga
> > njeri dialect i tyre.)
> > Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur
> > pakez ghuhen gjermane une
> > nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
> > Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
> > Yo, nuck barn meh fleyt tash!
> > kete alfabet do ta quaja
> > gegerishte_me_alfabet_anglez. Pse jo!
> >
> > Tash njeqind vjet shqiptare grindeshin per gjetjen e
> > nje alfabeti duke
> > zgjedhur ne mesin e alfabeteve:
> > latin, arab, turk...
> >
> > e sot pas njeqind vjete kur gjithcka e eshte gati :
> > te rrenojme gjithcka
> > shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u
> > rrenua Shqiperia nga
> > shqitaret
> >
> > ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
> > ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne ghuhen
> > shqipe
> >  ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo dialekt
> > a te folme nga nje
> > shtet
> >
> > dhe nga nje gjuhe
> >
> > dhe te ndahmi edhe ne pergjithmone
> >
> > ashtu si armiqte tane deshiruan
> >
> > ashtu sic Serbia deshiroi
> > ashtu sic Greqia uroi
> > ashtu sic Rusia pret te ngre dolli
> >
> > Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Rame Delijaj
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me
> > thane
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > > > a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> > > > cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere, dhe
> > > > cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te na
> > > > pranoje si shtet
> > > > ju pershendes
> > > > Samiu
> > > >
> > > Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch bile,
> > se
> > > ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe une
> > me
> > > schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:) ose ma
> > > mire me thane eurogheghe:)
> > > tung
> > >
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From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 01:21:34 2000
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Tue Feb 22 01:21:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000221232754.6710.qmail@hotmail.com>

I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe, even, too late. I wonder Mr 
Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what capacity? For your 
comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.

Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and there will be Albanians' 
who will react violently due to the fact that their whole families were 
killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account is this occurrence 
calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people reacting to century long 
repression in the hands of Serbia.

As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian would sully their hands 
and honour in committing such acts and actually touching a Serb!

There never were nor will there ever be islamic terrorists in Kosove. You 
seem to confuse the concept of nationality and religion. By nationality all 
of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim faith, Roman Catholic 
and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was never a problem amongst 
ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that matters!

It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even after the war in Bosnia 
and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans began for religious 
reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up in flames is because 
Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention had to be diverted 
somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998 Kosova.

There is so much more I can tell you about however it is best if you get 
hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it for yourself.


Yours sincerely


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From l.gjinali at leka.co.uk  Tue Feb 22 01:21:45 2000
From: l.gjinali at leka.co.uk (Leke Gjinali)
Date: Tue Feb 22 01:21:45 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
References: <20000221232754.6710.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601bf7cc3$fe4eb060$28a393c3@qmw.ac.uk.alpha.qmw.ac.uk>

Bravo, Marta,

Leka

----- Original Message -----
From: marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com>
To: <albert_hyseni at hotmail.com>; <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
Cc: <albanian_uk at listbot.com>; <ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>;
<prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 21 February 2000 23:27
Subject: Re: snipers


> Albanian Community UK
>
> I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe, even, too late. I wonder
Mr
> Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what capacity? For your
> comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
>
> Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and there will be Albanians'
> who will react violently due to the fact that their whole families were
> killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account is this occurrence
> calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people reacting to century
long
> repression in the hands of Serbia.
>
> As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian would sully their
hands
> and honour in committing such acts and actually touching a Serb!
>
> There never were nor will there ever be islamic terrorists in Kosove. You
> seem to confuse the concept of nationality and religion. By nationality
all
> of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim faith, Roman Catholic
> and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was never a problem
amongst
> ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that matters!
>
> It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even after the war in Bosnia
> and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans began for religious
> reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up in flames is because
> Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention had to be diverted
> somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998 Kosova.
>
> There is so much more I can tell you about however it is best if you get
> hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it for yourself.
>
>
> Yours sincerely
>
>
> Marta K. Gazideda
>
>
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From kosova at mailcity.com  Tue Feb 22 01:21:49 2000
From: kosova at mailcity.com (Olsi)
Date: Tue Feb 22 01:21:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Tirana-L] "AlbanianSpirituality" - Mire se vini !!
Message-ID: <DMLADNGIHLEMBAAA@mailcity.com>

E dashur Silke

nje faqe e meparshme ne kete subjekt mund te gjendet ne alb-muslims students listen, e cila eshte nje liste e studenteve Musliman Shqiptar.

Pra e theksoj se pasi kjo liste eshte Islame, aty ka edhe biseda rreth Zotit, besimit,
shpirtit etj...

Vetem se ne ate liste, si liste monoteiste (qe beson ne nje Zot) ka kritikues te rrepte 
ndaj ideve pagane, ndaj pikturave te shenjta etj... qe per shume Musliman perbejne
nje paganizem, dhe idhujtari...

Pra mund te provoni te merrni pjese ne kete liste spirituale Islame Shqiptare e dashur 
Silke qe ka mese 250 anetare...

lista eshte ne:
http://www.egroups.com/group/alb-muslimstudents

te faleminderit, Olsi


On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 00:05:27   Silke Blumbach wrote:
>                      --- Tirana-L Discussion Forum ---
> 
>Te dashur miq,
>
>zbuloni nje faqe tjeter te Shqiptarise! Ne kuader te programit
>"onelist", krijova nje liste e-mail-i kushtuar spiritualitetit shqiptar:
>
>
>             "This community is about double-headed eagles, golden
>sheep, Mother Teresa, very
>              special sufis, holy paintings, powerful words, the true
>meaning of hospitality and much
>              more. It is above all about a fascinating people which
>most of the time of its existence
>              lived next to the abyss of annihilation, and about the
>spiritual ressources it created in
>              order to survive. Join me and travel to an unknown, rich
>ALBANIA !! (in English and
>              Albanian) "
>
>A jeni bere kureshtare? Bile keni ndonje ide te mire, ndonje artikull
>interesant? Atehere anetarizoheni se shpejti!
>Shkoni ne:
>
>            www.onelist.com/group/AlbanianSpirituality
>
>ose dergojini nje e-mail te zbrazet kesaj adrese:
>
>            AlbanianSpirituality-subscribe at onelist.com
>
>Kam ndermend te filloj duke i derguar listes disa mendime intuitive qe
>kam per Shqiperine (ne kuptim te gjere: "populli shqiptar" ose "kultura
>shqiptare").
>
>Mirulexofshim, pra!
>
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>Silke
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 07:48:25 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Tue Feb 22 07:48:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: The Economist
Message-ID: <20000222124739.33935.qmail@hotmail.com>



>Burim Hana:
>>>Ilir Berisha:
>>> >
>>> > Meqe e patem fjalen rreth gjuhes letrare, me poshte
>>> > eshte nje artikull
>>> > rreth saj derguar ne nje liste tjeter. Perfundimi me
>>> > duket paksa i
>>> > ekzagjeruar, por mund te gjykoni vete.
>>> >
>>>Menyra se si e trajton cashtjen artikulli len shum per
>>>me deshirue. Konkluzat nuk jane ne relacion logjik a
>>>koherent ma cashtjen qe mundohet me trajtue. Thjesht
>>>qenka shkrue shkel e shko!
>>
>>Na e zberthe nje cike kete pohim tendin. Mua artikulli m'u duk fare i 
>>mire.
>>Kjo ceshtje ne fund te fundit mund te trajtohet vetem politikisht sic e
>>kishte bere autori.
>>
>>Vetem desha te shtoja dic rreth planprogrameve:
>>Njesimi i planprogrameve mesimore eshte njesoj si njesimi i gjuhes. I
>>mbetet
>>ne ndergjegje te mesimdhenesit ta zbatoje ate.
>>Psh. degjova se ne Univerzitetin e Tiranes me planprogram tash vone ka 
>>hyre
>>qe duhet bere ca ore per Fishten, mirepo profesori nuk e sheh te
>>domosdoshme
>>t'i permbahet kesaj.
>>Njesoj me kujtohet se edhe profesori im i historise nuk e shihte te
>>nevojshme t'i ligjeronte oret e parapara per histori serbe ose jugosllave.
>>Ne nuk ankoheshim asnjeri, e as ne Tirane rrezik nuk ankohet njeri...
>
>SA SHEMBULL T'MIRE KE MARE! FISHTA=SHKIJE !!!

Shembullin e mora nga jeta :)
Mos kam faj une qe profesori ne Tirane sillet me Fishten njesoj si Profesori 
ne Prishtine qe sillej me Car Dushanin?

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From Gjelina at aol.com  Tue Feb 22 10:55:03 2000
From: Gjelina at aol.com (Gjelina at aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 22 10:55:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <73.1455342.25e40b27@aol.com>

Well said, Marta.  Te lumte goja!

Gjelina



From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 11:22:10 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb 22 11:22:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Troops restart Kosovo searches
Message-ID: <20000222162137.21119.qmail@hotmail.com>

Si po duket KFOR-i s'do t'i lej shkijet rahat derisa t'jau bjen shpirtin ne 
fyte e i han dreqi e largohen prej Kosoves veriore pergjithmone.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_651000/651792.stm

Une po shpresoj se ky eshte vetem fillimi i nje aktiviteti te drejt dhe me 
padurim i pritur.

Me nderime,
Alberti
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 11:25:08 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Tue Feb 22 11:25:08 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Serbia's and Libya's top officials find much in common
Message-ID: <20000222162424.37126.qmail@hotmail.com>

Ja edhe nje lajme i mire.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/africa/02/20/bc.yugoslavia.lybia.ap/index.html

Alberti
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From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Tue Feb 22 12:08:59 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Tue Feb 22 12:08:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Special on KOSOVA Tonight at 10PM EST in the USA
In-Reply-To: "Albert Hyseni" <albert_hyseni@hotmail.com>'s message of Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:24:24 PST
Message-ID: <13614-38B2C2A2-20082@storefull-123.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

There is a two part special on Kosova tonight Tuesday February 22/00 at
10PM eastern standard time on your local PBS channel here in the USA.
This is part 1 of 2 and is called Frontline "War in Europe"
Pass on the information to interested parties.

Me Respect

AB




From burimh at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 22 13:43:36 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Tue Feb 22 13:43:36 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin Juridik
Message-ID: <20000222184303.55768.qmail@hotmail.com>

mentor,

une jom ni shok i kekes. A t'provoj me kontaktu rektorin e universitetit 
t'prishtines e me ia cu ket emailin ton?

tung, sukses
burimi



>From: MentorNimani at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin 
>Juridik
>Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:21:30 EST
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Te nderuar Zonja dhe Zoterinje
>anetare te kesaj liste diskutimi,
>
>Quhem Mentor Nimani (27), jurist nga Prishtina (i lindur ne Peje). Qe nga
>prilli 1999 jetoj ne SHBA.
>Kam nevoje per ndihmen urgjente tuaj.
>
>Qe nga ardhja ime ne SHBA, kam rene ne kontakt me qarqe qeveritare te
>SHBA-ve. Nje nga organizatat qeveritare
>ka ofruar ndihmen per financimin e nje projekti te quajtur SATELITE 
>LEARNING
>PROJECT. Me qellim te
>krijimit te lidhjes satelitore ne mes te Fakultetit Juridik ne Prishtine 
>dhe
>disa qendrave universitare te Evropes
>perendimore, Turqi dhe SHBA.
>
>Une jam munduar te prezentoj kete ide ne Fakultetin Juridik. Ata caktuan Z.
>Hajredin Kuqin si person i cili do te
>marr persiper perpilimin e kerkeses zyrtare per realizimin e nje projekti 
>te
>ketille per ta derguar ate ne Washington
>DC.
>
>Kane kaluar dhjete muaj, dhe pese lutje, bukvalisht lutje ne gjunje, qe i 
>kam
>bere Z. Hajredin Kuqi dhe disa
>Profesoreve tjere ne Fakultetin Juridik, duke u munduar t?ju spjegoj se nje
>projekt i ketill eshte shume i
>mireseardhur dhe i rendesishem per Prishtine. I kam lutur qe te ndermarin 
>sa
>me shpejte perpilimin e nje letre,
>vetem nje letre te thjeshte, per te inicuar nje projekt multimilion 
>dollaresh.
>
>Per fat te keq te gjitha perpjekjet e mija kane hasur ne heshtje dhe 
>premtime
>te zbrazeta.
>
>Une sot morra informaten se brenda javes se ardheshme, skadon afati per 
>kete
>projekt, dhe se ne rast se ne
>Prishtine nuk egziston interesimi per kete projekt, i njejti do te 
>realizohet
>ne Meksiko.
>
>Duke marre parasyshe se nje projekt i ketill eshte i rendesise tejet te
>madhe, dhe duke marre parasyshe se ndoshta
>nuk kam arrite te kontaktoj personat e duhur qe do te merrnin kete gje me 
>me
>seriozitet.
>Vendosa t?ju drejtohem Juve, anetare te nderuar te kesaj liste diskutimi.
>
>Ju lutem Juve, posaqerisht Juve nga Prishtina qe nese keni mundesi te
>kontaktoni me dikend ne Fakultetin Juridik
>dhe ti spjegoni per kete projekt dhe ti japni e-mail adresen time qe te 
>mund
>te me dergoj kerkesen.
>
>Shpresoj se do te keni se paku ndonje keshille apo ndonje person qe mund te
>kontaktoj e qe nuk eshte Hajredin
>Kuqi.
>
>Ju pershendes,
>Mentor Nimani
>
>PS. Ne mesin e antareve te kesaj liste eshte permenduar emri KEKA. Nese 
>Keka
>eshte nga Londra dhe i fejuar me
>Marsiden le te me lajmerohet ne kete liste diskutimi.
>
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 22 15:14:17 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb 22 15:14:17 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000222201125.7304.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>

Kyo chi ascht schkrue ma posht dooket me tschene nyi
perjije shpeyt e schkrooeme prey arsenalit tchi
shumitsa e neve schiptarve e kena te pregatitun ne
advans (resultat ky i edukimit tone patriotic ne
schola komuniste) kur vyen poona te tschashtye sich
ascht ayo e pheve te na. per correctesi politique
kisha pase tcheph me e ledzue se tchka thote ay far
Hartmani. Nese dicush e ka
yu lutem me ma tschue ne e-mail adresen time.
 falemnderit 
euroschema:)

--- marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe,
> even, too late. I wonder Mr 
> Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what
> capacity? For your 
> comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
> 
> Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and
> there will be Albanians' 
> who will react violently due to the fact that their
> whole families were 
> killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account
> is this occurrence 
> calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people
> reacting to century long 
> repression in the hands of Serbia.
> 
> As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian
> would sully their hands 
> and honour in committing such acts and actually
> touching a Serb!
> 
> There never were nor will there ever be islamic
> terrorists in Kosove. You 
> seem to confuse the concept of nationality and
> religion. By nationality all 
> of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim
> faith, Roman Catholic 
> and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was
> never a problem amongst 
> ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that
> matters!
> 
> It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even
> after the war in Bosnia 
> and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans
> began for religious 
> reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up
> in flames is because 
> Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention
> had to be diverted 
> somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998
> Kosova.
> 
> There is so much more I can tell you about however
> it is best if you get 
> hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it
> for yourself.
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> 
> Marta K. Gazideda
> 
> 
>
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 22 15:14:26 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb 22 15:14:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000222201125.7304.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>

Kyo chi ascht schkrue ma posht dooket me tschene nyi
perjije shpeyt e schkrooeme prey arsenalit tchi
shumitsa e neve schiptarve e kena te pregatitun ne
advans (resultat ky i edukimit tone patriotic ne
schola komuniste) kur vyen poona te tschashtye sich
ascht ayo e pheve te na. per correctesi politique
kisha pase tcheph me e ledzue se tchka thote ay far
Hartmani. Nese dicush e ka
yu lutem me ma tschue ne e-mail adresen time.
 falemnderit 
euroschema:)

--- marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe,
> even, too late. I wonder Mr 
> Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what
> capacity? For your 
> comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
> 
> Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and
> there will be Albanians' 
> who will react violently due to the fact that their
> whole families were 
> killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account
> is this occurrence 
> calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people
> reacting to century long 
> repression in the hands of Serbia.
> 
> As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian
> would sully their hands 
> and honour in committing such acts and actually
> touching a Serb!
> 
> There never were nor will there ever be islamic
> terrorists in Kosove. You 
> seem to confuse the concept of nationality and
> religion. By nationality all 
> of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim
> faith, Roman Catholic 
> and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was
> never a problem amongst 
> ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that
> matters!
> 
> It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even
> after the war in Bosnia 
> and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans
> began for religious 
> reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up
> in flames is because 
> Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention
> had to be diverted 
> somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998
> Kosova.
> 
> There is so much more I can tell you about however
> it is best if you get 
> hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it
> for yourself.
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely
> 
> 
> Marta K. Gazideda
> 
> 
>
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 22 15:28:30 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Tue Feb 22 15:28:30 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
Message-ID: <20000222202828.10238.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>


--- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
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> 
> Pune e mbare pra te qofte me krijimin e ksaj gjuhes
> tende te re euroship apo
> asio-ship sido qe ta quajsh
> 
> Tung
> Rama

Tung Ramo
Nuck muyta mos me hetooe nyi fiye te asay dileme
eternale te neve schiptarve a orient a oxident n'kit
porosi tanden. Apo mos ndoshta me kete t'fundit
asio-schip tentove me ma tchue nyi fyemje tue ma
chuejte schipen tem asiatike (te na schiptaret term
deneegrues) edhe pse edhe une edhe ti kem amna asiatic
:). Tue e pase parasysch dilemen e masiperme (edhe pse
e cam tchuejt nyihere euroschip) ndoshta e bay nyi
fusionim te dyave dhe e tchuej euro-asio-schip kete
evlad pi zboolimi tem.
Tsilido te kete tchene tchellimi yot te falenderoy per
keschillen.
euro-asio-schema
  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me
> thane
> 
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Allahile rame me con ye ca perlahesh. Per kriyimin
> e
> > ghuhes(falimneres per inspeerim) letrare gheghe
> > repherou te artikuy ma serioz si psh te Vjolltses
> >  ose Ilirit. Une yam expert ne euroschip e jo
> > n'gheghnisht. Banya si une e mso ditchka prey
> nyerzve
> > ma t'menchem. Ene mo na mbyt me patriotisma
> > pathetique.
> >
> > Eyvallah
> > Shema
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > Per 22 vjet kam jetuar ne Prishtine, ku edhe kam
> > > lindur, dhe kam pasur
> > > kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha
> aneve
> > > ,kah flitet ghuha shqipe,
> > > mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete
> > > shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
> > > te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te
> cilet
> > > e kane perdorur fjalen
> > > "shyp".
> > > Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj
> gjuhen
> > > letrare gege.  Pune e
> > > mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes
> se
> > > nje alfabeti te
> > > pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re
> artaficiale.(Une e
> > > di se shumica e ghuheve
> > > te botes e kane nga nje ghuhe artificiale te
> quajtur
> > > ghuha letrare dhe te
> > > gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente
> nga
> > > njeri dialect i tyre.)
> > > Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur
> > > pakez ghuhen gjermane une
> > > nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
> > > Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
> > > Yo, nuck barn meh fleyt tash!
> > > kete alfabet do ta quaja
> > > gegerishte_me_alfabet_anglez. Pse jo!
> > >
> > > Tash njeqind vjet shqiptare grindeshin per
> gjetjen e
> > > nje alfabeti duke
> > > zgjedhur ne mesin e alfabeteve:
> > > latin, arab, turk...
> > >
> > > e sot pas njeqind vjete kur gjithcka e eshte
> gati :
> > > te rrenojme gjithcka
> > > shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u
> > > rrenua Shqiperia nga
> > > shqitaret
> > >
> > > ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
> > > ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne
> ghuhen
> > > shqipe
> > >  ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo
> dialekt
> > > a te folme nga nje
> > > shtet
> > >
> > > dhe nga nje gjuhe
> > >
> > > dhe te ndahmi edhe ne pergjithmone
> > >
> > > ashtu si armiqte tane deshiruan
> > >
> > > ashtu sic Serbia deshiroi
> > > ashtu sic Greqia uroi
> > > ashtu sic Rusia pret te ngre dolli
> > >
> > > Pershendetje te perzemerta nga Rame Delijaj
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> > > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos
> me
> > > thane
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- samik at kohaditore.com wrote:
> > > > > a ben te ndrrohet tema ju lutem,
> > > > > cka ua merr mendja, cfare eshte duke u bere,
> dhe
> > > > > cfare duhete te behet per te nxitur boten te
> na
> > > > > pranoje si shtet
> > > > > ju pershendes
> > > > > Samiu
> > > > >
> > > > Ntsouck nouck baan me e ndrrooe temen hitch
> bile,
> > > se
> > > > ascht dzidze teme! Bile tema e bani chi edhe
> une
> > > me
> > > > schcrooe gegnisht, natyrisht me euroschip:)
> ose ma
> > > > mire me thane eurogheghe:)
> > > > tung
> > > >
> > > >
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb 22 23:43:32 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb 22 23:43:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] PBS show
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002222342140.17143-100000@alb-net.com>

The PBS show tonight on the war in kosova was very interesting.  make sure
you see the second patr next tuesday at 10pm, on channel 13 in nyc.

check this web site from the show:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kosovo/cleansing/




From LINESMAN at webtv.net  Tue Feb 22 23:57:25 2000
From: LINESMAN at webtv.net (LINESMAN at webtv.net)
Date: Tue Feb 22 23:57:25 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] PBS show
In-Reply-To: Etrit Bardhi <etrit@alb-net.com>'s message of Tue, 22 Feb 2000
	23:43:19 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: <17552-38B368AE-22364@storefull-125.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Sure was it was worth watching, already set my vcr incase l forget.

AB

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From kilhefnr at gusun.georgetown.edu  Wed Feb 23 10:05:16 2000
From: kilhefnr at gusun.georgetown.edu (Becky Kilhefner)
Date: Wed Feb 23 10:05:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] PBS show
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002222342140.17143-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20000223101026.00a7c690@gusun.georgetown.edu>

Did you see this?  I didn't know about it, but I looked on our local PBS
website, and the second part will be on WETA (that's channel 26 on my TV -
I think if you have cable, it's something like 6 or 8) this Tuesday (2/29)
at 10.

B.

At 11:43 MD 00-02-22 -0500, Etrit Bardhi wrote:
>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>The PBS show tonight on the war in kosova was very interesting.  make sure
>you see the second patr next tuesday at 10pm, on channel 13 in nyc.
>
>check this web site from the show:
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kosovo/cleansing/
>
>
>_____________________________________________________
>Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com
>http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
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>




From zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU  Wed Feb 23 10:08:33 2000
From: zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU (zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU)
Date: Wed Feb 23 10:08:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
In-Reply-To: <200002091045.AA655658@prishtina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.1000223100723.543253411A-100000@ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>


 Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> 
> 
> Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes "livery" qe do te thote: 
> 
> the act of delivering legal possession of property
> 
> Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> 
> Tung
> Dardani
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> 
> >Marre nga:
> >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s 
> >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> >
> >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s 
> >
> >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
> >Bill Klinton, ....
> >
> >	Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
> >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
> >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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From zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU  Wed Feb 23 10:08:59 2000
From: zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU (zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU)
Date: Wed Feb 23 10:08:59 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
In-Reply-To: <200002091045.AA655658@prishtina.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.1000223100822.543253411B-100000@ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>

 Dadush hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahha

On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes "livery" qe do te thote: 
> 
> the act of delivering legal possession of property
> 
> Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> 
> Tung
> Dardani
> 
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> 
> >Marre nga:
> >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s 
> >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> >
> >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s 
> >
> >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
> >Bill Klinton, ....
> >
> >	Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
> >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
> >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> >
> >
> >
> >_____________________________________________________
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> 
> 
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 23 13:19:43 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 23 13:19:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.1000223100723.543253411A-100000@ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002231318220.17143-100000@alb-net.com>

linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)

On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> 
>  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> 
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > 
> > 
> > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes "livery" qe do te thote: 
> > 
> > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > 
> > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > 
> > Tung
> > Dardani
> > 
> > 
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > 
> > >Marre nga:
> > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s 
> > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > >
> > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s 
> > >
> > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
> > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > >
> > >	Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
> > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
> > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_____________________________________________________
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> > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l
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> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Feb 23 16:40:09 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Feb 23 16:40:09 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 20
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002231636330.1000-100000@alb-net.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 22:16:01 +0100
From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>

- N? Teatrin Komb?tar t? Kosov?s m? 13. dhe 14. Shkurt 2000 u dha shfaqja
"Krah?t" ("Ali"), e cila ?sht? koproduksion i teatrit "La Ribalta" nga
Italia dhe teatrit "The Grand Blue Theatre" nga Franca. Kjo shfaqje ?sht?
realizuar n? baz? t? bashk?punimit t? k?tyre dy teatrove me Teatrin Komb?tar
t? Kosov?s dhe Universitetit t? Prishtin?s. Shfaqja u dha n? gjuh?n frenge
nga "La Ribalta", por p?r shiquesit n? hyrje t? sall?s u shp?rnda p?rkthimi
n? gjuhen shqipe. "Krah?t" tregon ngjarjen e ballafaqimit respektivisht
dialogut n? mes t? njeriut dhe engjullit t? plagosur. N?p?rmjet ballafaqimit
t? tyre ata p?rpiqen t'i ringjalin kujtimet e varrosura n? koh?. Ve?an?risht
engjulli n? m?nyr? delikate i zbulon shpresat dhe frik?n, k?naq?sit? dhe
lot?t e njeriut dhe t? kaluar?s s? tij. Ky komunikim n? mes t? dy
personazheve ?sht? mjeti p?r rifillimin e bashk?jetes?s. "Krah?t" ?sht?
projekt i IOM-it dhe organizat?s joqeveritare italiane "Altrimenti".

- N? pallatin e shtypit n? Prishtin? u b? p?rurimi i revist?s "Kosova Law
review", botues i s?cil?s ?sht? Instituti i Kosov?s p?r Integrime
Evro-Atlantike. Revista juridike e Kosov?s filloi t? botohet q? nga viti
1996 dhe ky ?sht? numri i saj i kat?rt dhe i pari pas luft?s. P?rurimin e
hapi Blerim Reka, kryeredaktor i revist?s i cili me k?t? rast foli p?r
perspektivat e legjislacionit n? Kosov?. N? k?t? p?rurim mor?n pjes? shum?
bashk?pun?tor? dhe ekspert? nd?rkomb?tar?. Botimi i revist?s ?sht?
sponzoruar nga USAID-i - Zyra n? Prishtin?.

- N? Bibliotek?n Komb?tare dhe Universitare t? Kosov?s, hapet qendra
kryesore e internetit. Organizata nd?rkomb?tare p?r migrim (IOM), me ndihm?n
e SHBA dhe disa kompanive private ka formuar n? 7 qytete t? Kosov?s qendra
t? internetit - n? Prishtin?, Pej?, Gjakov?, Mitrovic?, Prizren, Ferizaj dhe
Gjilan. Qendrat do t? jen? t? hapura prej or?s 8 deri 22. T? gjitha
sh?rbimet do t? jen? falas. Me rastin e p?rurimit t? qendr?s s? internetit
n? Prishtin? t? pranishmit i p?rsh?ndeti drejtori i bibliotek?s Mehmet
G?rguri. Nd?rsa shefi i misionit t? SHBA n? Prishtin? Lorens Gosin n? mes
tjerash tha se kjo qend?r Kosov?n e ky? n? ?arqet m? t? gjera e m? moderne
t? teknologjis? sa i p?rket informimit duke mund?suar komunikimin me gjith?
bot?n. K?t? p?rurim e p?rsh?ndeti edhe Pasquale Lupoli, shefi i IOM-it n?
Kosov?.

- Teatri "Dodona" i Prishtin?s gjat? jav?s s? kaluar dha dy shfaqje. Me 17.
Shkurt 2000 prezentoj shfaqjen "Maturant?t" - shkoll? sht?pi e Kristo
Flloqit n? regjin? e Faruk Begollit. Rolet: Flutra Zeneli, Fatime Bunjaku,
Xhejlane Godanci, Adhurim Domi, Astrit Kabashi, Artan Geca, Donat Qosja,
Xhevdet Doda etj. Nd?rsa me 18. Shkurt 2000 shfaqja "Mbreti Ibish" sipas
autorit Nehat Qena e n? regji t? Faruk Begollit, sken?n dhe kostumet i b?ri
Alisa Maliqi. Rolet: Adhurim Domi, Fatime Bunjaku, Donat Qosja, Flutura
Zeneli, Artan Geca, Astrit Kabashi etj.

- Me 14. Shkurt 2000 n? Prishtin? n? pallatin e sporteve u festua dita e
Sh?n Valentinit me nj? program "The best party for lovers - St.Valentin
party". N? k?t? manifestim mor?n pjes? "Art Club Picasso, Swin dhe Smil,
Papillon coyote Kristian - Germany, Alfredo - Germany, Stiv - UK. Dita e t?
dashuruarve u festua edhe n? qytetet tjera t? Kosov?s.

- Federata nd?rkomb?tare e Helsinkit p?r t? drejtat e njeriut dhe
televizioni austriak ORF jan? duke p?rgatitur nj? koncert humanitar? n?
Prishtin? p?r q?llim t? ndihm?s s? Kosov?s. Koncerti do t? mbahet n? fund t?
korrikut 2000 n? stadionin e Prishtin?s, n? t? cilin do t? marrin pjes?
solist?t e njohur bot?ror? nga Italia, Leonuchi Bareto dhe Farucio
Fuilaneto, Bryn Tefal nga Britania, Inva Mula nga Shqip?ria dhe t? tjer?t.

- Teatri profesional i Gjilanit ka filluar p?rgatitjet teatrore p?r
inskenimin e tekstit t? dramatizuar t? Ismail Kadares? - "Gjenerali i
ushtris? s? vdekur". Regjin? e k?saj shfaqje do ta b?j? regjisori nga Tirana
Dr. Milto Kutali, nd?rsa kostumografin Agim Hoxha, nd?rkaq rolin e
gjeneralit do ta interpreton aktori i njohur Enver Petrovci.

P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina

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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Wed Feb 23 16:59:11 2000
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Wed Feb 23 16:59:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane
References: <20000222202828.10238.qmail@web603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008701bf7e49$3e377f00$ece186d4@pbncomputer>

euro-asio-scheme,

megjithese pata vendosur ta nderpres kete bisede :

fyerja nuk eshte e natyres sime (perkunder asaj se e kam share
(pergjigjur)njefare Hartmani shkurt e shqip, qysh i thojne fjales) e
vecanerisht me ata qe nuk me kane bere asgje

me fjalen "asio-ship" (ka mundur te jete edhe japono-ship") kam menduar se
dikush tjeter mund ta krijoj nje gjuhe tjeter shqipe me alfabet aziatik , a
...

sa me perket mua ne jeten e perditshme e perdori dialektin geg, perndryshe
gjuhen letrare dhe per mua gjuha letrare eshte nje ghuhe arificiale me
elemente te te gjitha te folmeve, e cila perdoret per komunukim ndermjet
shqiptareve te dialekteve te ndryshme.  dhe mendoj se kjo gjuhe para se te
"importoje" ndonje fjale te huaj duhet te kerkoj per ate fjale neper te
folmet e ndryshme te ghuhes, pamarreparasysh se kjo nuk ndodh cdo here.

mendoj se fjala "ship" nuk i takon lexikut te shqipes, porse i takon "shyp"
dhe "shqip".

Tung
 Rama


----- Original Message -----
From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje teme e re sa mos me thane


>
>
> --- rdelia <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
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> > Pune e mbare pra te qofte me krijimin e ksaj gjuhes
> > tende te re euroship apo
> > asio-ship sido qe ta quajsh
> >
> > Tung
> > Rama
>
> Tung Ramo
> Nuck muyta mos me hetooe nyi fiye te asay dileme
> eternale te neve schiptarve a orient a oxident n'kit
> porosi tanden. Apo mos ndoshta me kete t'fundit
> asio-schip tentove me ma tchue nyi fyemje tue ma
> chuejte schipen tem asiatike (te na schiptaret term
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> :). Tue e pase parasysch dilemen e masiperme (edhe pse
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>
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
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> > >
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> > e
> > > ghuhes(falimneres per inspeerim) letrare gheghe
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> > >  ose Ilirit. Une yam expert ne euroschip e jo
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> > nyerzve
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> > >
> > > Eyvallah
> > > Shema
> > >
> > >
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> > > > kontakte me shqiptaret e pothuajse te ghitha
> > aneve
> > > > ,kah flitet ghuha shqipe,
> > > > mirepo kurre nuk e kam deghuar dike ta kete
> > > > shqiptuar fjalen "ship" ne vend
> > > > te fjales "shqip", me perjashtim te pleqve te
> > cilet
> > > > e kane perdorur fjalen
> > > > "shyp".
> > > > Po duket sikur dikush po mundohet ta krijoj
> > gjuhen
> > > > letrare gege.  Pune e
> > > > mbare! Pune e mbare ju qofte edhe drejt gjetjes
> > se
> > > > nje alfabeti te
> > > > pershtatshem per kete ghuhe te re
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> > > > ghuha letrare dhe te
> > > > gjitha keto ghuhe kane marre me shume elemente
> > nga
> > > > njeri dialect i tyre.)
> > > > Quani si ta duani por sikur te mos e kisha ditur
> > > > pakez ghuhen gjermane une
> > > > nuk do ta kisha kuptuar kete alfabetin tuaj.
> > > > Ja nje propozim per nje alfabet te ri(!):
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> > > > shqiptare o vllezer e motra, te rrojnojme sic u
> > > > rrenua Shqiperia nga
> > > > shqitaret
> > > >
> > > > ta rrenojme ghuhen shqipe
> > > > ti krijojme disa ghuhe te tjera me baze ne
> > ghuhen
> > > > shqipe
> > > >  ti ndajme edhe territoret shqiptare per cdo
> > dialekt
> > > > a te folme nga nje
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> > > >
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
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> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 5:18 PM
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> > une
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Wed Feb 23 18:36:56 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Wed Feb 23 18:36:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
References: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002222342140.17143-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <27451.951348985@www4.gmx.net>

diskutimi rreth gjuhes po me duket me vend, por ndoshta edhe pak i tepruar.
kete po e them per shkak te nje krahasimi me zvicren, ku edhe jetoj; ketu
flitet nje dialekt qe eshte shume, me te vertete shume larg gjermanishtes
letrare. dhe ne fakt gjermanishtja letrare nuk perdoret as kund tjeter perveq
ne shkolla, univerzitete e institucione te ngjashme. por prape se prape
askush deri me sot nuk ka hapur fare diskuzioni lidhur me kuptimin e vazhdimit te
perdorimit te gjermanishtes letrare. per te gjithe eshte shume e qarte, se
egziston vetem nje gjuhe gjermane (dhe kjo ska te beje fare me politiken e
zviceraneve kundrejt gjermaneve, pasi qe,perkundrazi, zviceranet jane, qe nga
lufta e dyte botrore, bukur shume antigjerman). 
kjo fjalia e fundit ne kllapa ndoshta edhe e qet poshte tezen e "the
economist" se gjuha e njejte sjell edhe shtetin e njejte. 

ne reformen e fundit qe eshte nderrmare ne gjuhen gjermane, e qe eshte nje
zbatim e siper, ishin perfaqesuesit tri shteteve gjermanofolese
(gjermanise, austrise dhe zvicres) ne menyre qe edhe reforma te zbatohe ne menyre te
perbashket; ky takim nuk eshte dhe ishte normalisht kurrefare shkaku se kjo do
te qoj drejt nje "great germany".

me tmira, shyqa

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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 06:09:11 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 06:09:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
Message-ID: <20000224110543.5237.qmail@hotmail.com>

Shyq,

une jetoj ne Gjermani dhe mund te them se edhe brenda per brenda Gjermanise 
kam vene re nje mori dialektesh te ndryshme qe jane mjaft larg gjermanishtes 
letrare.
Tek ne shqiptaret problemi i gjuhes eshte nisur pikerisht ne menyre 
politike, do te thote si shprehje e tendences sone per bashkim. Eshte afer 
mendesh qe diskutimet rreth saj behen para ketij sfondi politik. Pra edhe 
reagimi i disa patrioteve ndaj dikujt qe shkruan e kultivon nje idiome te 
ndryshme nga gjuha letrare con deshe s'deshe nga interpretimi qe 
kultivonjesi ne fjale qenkerka kunder bashkimit kombetar. Nese te kuptova 
mire ti deshiron t'u thuash ketyre patrioteve te mos e marrin kete problem 
kaq me zell.

Nga ana tjeter Gjermaneve dhe Zvicerianeve nuk u erdhi gjuha letrare nga nje 
diktator i krisur, por ajo doli si nje rezultat i nje kultivimi shekullor qe 
nga Martin Luteri, Gete e keshtu me rradhe.

Ndoshta do te ishte me mire qe subjektin e postimit tend ta kishe shenuar si 
"gege dhe toske".

me nderime

Vjollca Sadiku

>Shyq Zabeli:
>
>diskutimi rreth gjuhes po me duket me vend, por ndoshta edhe pak i tepruar.
>kete po e them per shkak te nje krahasimi me zvicren, ku edhe jetoj; ketu
>flitet nje dialekt qe eshte shume, me te vertete shume larg gjermanishtes
>letrare. dhe ne fakt gjermanishtja letrare nuk perdoret as kund tjeter 
>perveq
>ne shkolla, univerzitete e institucione te ngjashme. por prape se prape
>askush deri me sot nuk ka hapur fare diskuzioni lidhur me kuptimin e 
>vazhdimit te
>perdorimit te gjermanishtes letrare. per te gjithe eshte shume e qarte, se
>egziston vetem nje gjuhe gjermane (dhe kjo ska te beje fare me politiken e
>zviceraneve kundrejt gjermaneve, pasi qe,perkundrazi, zviceranet jane, qe 
>nga
>lufta e dyte botrore, bukur shume antigjerman).
>kjo fjalia e fundit ne kllapa ndoshta edhe e qet poshte tezen e "the
>economist" se gjuha e njejte sjell edhe shtetin e njejte.
>
>ne reformen e fundit qe eshte nderrmare ne gjuhen gjermane, e qe eshte nje
>zbatim e siper, ishin perfaqesuesit tri shteteve gjermanofolese
>(gjermanise, austrise dhe zvicres) ne menyre qe edhe reforma te zbatohe ne 
>menyre te
>perbashket; ky takim nuk eshte dhe ishte normalisht kurrefare shkaku se kjo 
>do
>te qoj drejt nje "great germany".
>
>me tmira, shyqa

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From zabeli at gmx.de  Thu Feb 24 07:14:18 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:14:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
References: <20000224110543.5237.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <11655.951394364@www11.gmx.net>

vjollca,

pajtohem plotesisht me Ty. 
vetem ndoshta duhet te permendet se nen nje aspekt eshte edhe fat se kemi
nje gjuhe te unisuar dhe nje gjuhe letrare qe (se paku deri me tani) njihet
dhe (nga shumica) e shqipfolesve respektohet dhe zbatohet.

gjithashtu ke te drejt lidhur me lutherin dhe goeten; por ne kete aspekt
duhet te permendet se keta dy ishin gjerman, dhe zviceranet apo austriaket
perkunder kesaj nuk e morren kurre nacionalitetin e ketyre dyve si shkas per
te mos pranuar gjuhen letrare te kultivuar nga keta dy.

me tmira,
shyqa





> Shyq,
> 
> une jetoj ne Gjermani dhe mund te them se edhe brenda per brenda
> Gjermanise 
> kam vene re nje mori dialektesh te ndryshme qe jane mjaft larg
> gjermanishtes 
> letrare.
> Tek ne shqiptaret problemi i gjuhes eshte nisur pikerisht ne menyre 
> politike, do te thote si shprehje e tendences sone per bashkim. Eshte
> afer 
> mendesh qe diskutimet rreth saj behen para ketij sfondi politik. Pra
> edhe 
> reagimi i disa patrioteve ndaj dikujt qe shkruan e kultivon nje idiome
> te 
> ndryshme nga gjuha letrare con deshe s'deshe nga interpretimi qe 
> kultivonjesi ne fjale qenkerka kunder bashkimit kombetar. Nese te
> kuptova 
> mire ti deshiron t'u thuash ketyre patrioteve te mos e marrin kete
> problem 
> kaq me zell.
> 
> Nga ana tjeter Gjermaneve dhe Zvicerianeve nuk u erdhi gjuha letrare nga
> nje 
> diktator i krisur, por ajo doli si nje rezultat i nje kultivimi
> shekullor qe 
> nga Martin Luteri, Gete e keshtu me rradhe.
> 
> Ndoshta do te ishte me mire qe subjektin e postimit tend ta kishe
> shenuar si 
> "gege dhe toske".
> 
> me nderime
> 
> Vjollca Sadiku
> 
> >Shyq Zabeli:
> >
> >diskutimi rreth gjuhes po me duket me vend, por ndoshta edhe pak i
> tepruar.
> >kete po e them per shkak te nje krahasimi me zvicren, ku edhe jetoj;
> ketu
> >flitet nje dialekt qe eshte shume, me te vertete shume larg
> gjermanishtes
> >letrare. dhe ne fakt gjermanishtja letrare nuk perdoret as kund tjeter 
> >perveq
> >ne shkolla, univerzitete e institucione te ngjashme. por prape se prape
> >askush deri me sot nuk ka hapur fare diskuzioni lidhur me kuptimin e 
> >vazhdimit te
> >perdorimit te gjermanishtes letrare. per te gjithe eshte shume e qarte,
> se
> >egziston vetem nje gjuhe gjermane (dhe kjo ska te beje fare me
> politiken e
> >zviceraneve kundrejt gjermaneve, pasi qe,perkundrazi, zviceranet jane,
> qe 
> >nga
> >lufta e dyte botrore, bukur shume antigjerman).
> >kjo fjalia e fundit ne kllapa ndoshta edhe e qet poshte tezen e "the
> >economist" se gjuha e njejte sjell edhe shtetin e njejte.
> >
> >ne reformen e fundit qe eshte nderrmare ne gjuhen gjermane, e qe eshte
> nje
> >zbatim e siper, ishin perfaqesuesit tri shteteve gjermanofolese
> >(gjermanise, austrise dhe zvicres) ne menyre qe edhe reforma te zbatohe
> ne 
> >menyre te
> >perbashket; ky takim nuk eshte dhe ishte normalisht kurrefare shkaku se
> kjo 
> >do
> >te qoj drejt nje "great germany".
> >
> >me tmira, shyqa
> 
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 07:37:48 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 07:37:48 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224123543.39839.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Shyq Zabeli:
>
>vjollca,
>
>pajtohem plotesisht me Ty.
>vetem ndoshta duhet te permendet se nen nje aspekt eshte edhe fat se kemi
>nje gjuhe te unisuar dhe nje gjuhe letrare qe (se paku deri me tani) njihet
>dhe (nga shumica) e shqipfolesve respektohet dhe zbatohet.

Une kam pervoje tjeter fare rreth asaj sa njihet, zbatohet dhe nga 
c'shumice. Nga ana tjeter mund te thuhet se, se paku gjuhesisht shqiptaret 
kuptoheshin mes vete me mire kur nuk e kishin nje gjuhe te njesuar. Tash per 
shembull kemi Klesten qe ne nje liste te Prishtines ka problem ta kuptoje 
Burimin qe perdor te folmen e Prishtines, kemi shkollaret e Tiranes qe kane 
problem ta kuptojne Fishten e keshtu me rradhe. Por ajo qe eshte akoma me me 
rendesi e kemi politizuar ceshtjen e gjuhes deri ne ate pike, sa qe eshte 
perligjur mundesia te shpallet tradhetar secili qe deshiron ta kultivoje ate 
ndryshe.

>
>gjithashtu ke te drejt lidhur me lutherin dhe goeten; por ne kete aspekt
>duhet te permendet se keta dy ishin gjerman, dhe zviceranet apo austriaket
>perkunder kesaj nuk e morren kurre nacionalitetin e ketyre dyve si shkas 
>per
>te mos pranuar gjuhen letrare te kultivuar nga keta dy.

Menyra se si ka ndikuar Luteri dhe Gete nuk ka te beje me nacionalizem apo 
imponim te dhunshem, prandaj nuk protestojne zvicerianet e as austriaket per 
kete standard te mekembur me shekuj.

me nderime

vjollca
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Thu Feb 24 08:43:26 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:43:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
References: <20000224123543.39839.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <14446.951399674@www10.gmx.net>

> Vjollca:

 
> Une kam pervoje tjeter fare rreth asaj sa njihet, zbatohet dhe nga 
> c'shumice. Nga ana tjeter mund te thuhet se, se paku gjuhesisht
> shqiptaret 
> kuptoheshin mes vete me mire kur nuk e kishin nje gjuhe te njesuar. 
 
Ketu spajtohem me Ty. Ky me duket pretendim jo me vend dhe jo i sakte.


> Tash
> per 
> shembull kemi Klesten qe ne nje liste te Prishtines ka problem ta
> kuptoje 
> Burimin qe perdor te folmen e Prishtines, 

normalisht, edhe gjermani i bayernit nuk do ta kuptoje kurre zviceranin e
wallisit dhe anasjelltas po te perdoreshin keta te dyte dialektin e tyre
perkates. per kete arsye keta te dy me siguri do te fliteshin (apo shkruanin)
ne gjermanishten letrare.
gjithashtu edhe klesta e burim kane mundesi te kuptohen permes shqipes
letrare.

> kemi shkollaret e Tiranes qe
> kane 
> problem ta kuptojne Fishten e keshtu me rradhe. 

shkollaret (se paku ata letrar) sdo te duhej te mund te marrin diploma
nese nuk i kuptojne idiomat gjuhesore. atehere ketu qendron problemi tek
shkollat ose sistemi shkollor. Ti e din me siguri me mire se une se egziston edhe
gjermanishtja e vjeter, qe pothuaj nuk kuptohet nga asnje njeri i
"zakonshem". por letraret gjermane e kane te obligueshme ta mesojne kete gjate
studimeve; keshtue do te duhej te jete edhe me gjuhetaret tone, qofshin nga tirana
apo prishtina.

Por ajo qe eshte akoma
> me me 
> rendesi e kemi politizuar ceshtjen e gjuhes deri ne ate pike, sa qe
> eshte 
> perligjur mundesia te shpallet tradhetar secili qe deshiron ta kultivoje
> ate 
> ndryshe.

OK, ketu pajtohem me Ty.


> Menyra se si ka ndikuar Luteri dhe Gete nuk ka te beje me nacionalizem
> apo 
> imponim te dhunshem, prandaj nuk protestojne zvicerianet e as austriaket
> per 
> kete standard te mekembur me shekuj.

Kur te merret parasysh enver hoxha, Ti ke te drejte, por me duket se me
heret eshte permendur se gjate konferences qe eshte mbajte ne te 70tat lidhur
me unifikimin e gjuhes kane qene edhe gjuhetare kosovar prezent, te cilet
kane aprovuar gjuhen letrare, prandaj imponimi i dhunshem me duket pak i
tepruar.

me tmira,
shyqa

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From mentor at alb-net.com  Thu Feb 24 08:55:32 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Thu Feb 24 08:55:32 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=EB_ndihmoni_=28fwd=29?=
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002240853100.9635-100000@alb-net.com>

Ju lutem pergjigjuni personit ne adresen: tvera at unet.com.mk

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 13:54:37 +0100
From: TV ERA <tvera at unet.com.mk>
To: Mentor Cana <mentor at ALB-NET.COM>
Subject: M? ndihmoni

Z mentor ju lusemi q? k?t? porosi timen ta  p?rcillni n? t? gjitha adresat e
mundura q? i posedoni

t? fala t? p?rzem?rta

Avdulla Memetaj
---
Bashkatdhetar? t? nderuar

Ju lutem t? m? ndihmoni
N?se dokush ka ndoj adres t? ndoj personi nga Peja, m? kishit b?r? nder tw
madhe , se b?het pun? p?r nj? person i humbur gjat luft?s, Informat?n e
fundit e kam se asht? par? n? Pej.
Prandaj Ju lus t? gjith?ve q? t? me d?rgoni adres?n e dokujt n? Pej

me nderime,
Avdulla Memetaj




From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 24 09:20:53 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 24 09:20:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
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tung :)

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On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Shyq Zabeli wrote:

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> diskutimi rreth gjuhes po me duket me vend, por ndoshta edhe pak i tepruar.
> kete po e them per shkak te nje krahasimi me zvicren, ku edhe jetoj; ketu
> flitet nje dialekt qe eshte shume, me te vertete shume larg gjermanishtes
> letrare. dhe ne fakt gjermanishtja letrare nuk perdoret as kund tjeter perveq
> ne shkolla, univerzitete e institucione te ngjashme. por prape se prape
> askush deri me sot nuk ka hapur fare diskuzioni lidhur me kuptimin e vazhdimit te
> perdorimit te gjermanishtes letrare. per te gjithe eshte shume e qarte, se
> egziston vetem nje gjuhe gjermane (dhe kjo ska te beje fare me politiken e
> zviceraneve kundrejt gjermaneve, pasi qe,perkundrazi, zviceranet jane, qe nga
> lufta e dyte botrore, bukur shume antigjerman). 
> kjo fjalia e fundit ne kllapa ndoshta edhe e qet poshte tezen e "the
> economist" se gjuha e njejte sjell edhe shtetin e njejte. 
> 
> ne reformen e fundit qe eshte nderrmare ne gjuhen gjermane, e qe eshte nje
> zbatim e siper, ishin perfaqesuesit tri shteteve gjermanofolese
> (gjermanise, austrise dhe zvicres) ne menyre qe edhe reforma te zbatohe ne menyre te
> perbashket; ky takim nuk eshte dhe ishte normalisht kurrefare shkaku se kjo do
> te qoj drejt nje "great germany".
> 
> me tmira, shyqa
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 09:34:53 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 09:34:53 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224143259.94617.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Shyq Zabeli:
>
> > Vjollca:
>
>
> > Une kam pervoje tjeter fare rreth asaj sa njihet, zbatohet dhe nga
> > c'shumice. Nga ana tjeter mund te thuhet se, se paku gjuhesisht
> > shqiptaret
> > kuptoheshin mes vete me mire kur nuk e kishin nje gjuhe te njesuar.
>
>Ketu spajtohem me Ty. Ky me duket pretendim jo me vend dhe jo i sakte.

E kam te qarte se formulimi eshte ashtu nje cike i rrebte, por ama qendron. 
Para njesimit askush nuk ankohej qe nuk po e kupton ta zeme Ernest Koliqin, 
tash kryesisht njerezit e shkolluar kane probleme te tilla gjuhesore.

> > Tash
> > per
> > shembull kemi Klesten qe ne nje liste te Prishtines ka problem ta
> > kuptoje
> > Burimin qe perdor te folmen e Prishtines,
>
>normalisht, edhe gjermani i bayernit nuk do ta kuptoje kurre zviceranin e
>wallisit dhe anasjelltas po te perdoreshin keta te dyte dialektin e tyre
>perkates. per kete arsye keta te dy me siguri do te fliteshin (apo 
>shkruanin)
>ne gjermanishten letrare.
>gjithashtu edhe klesta e burim kane mundesi te kuptohen permes shqipes
>letrare.

Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia eshte nje cike e larget. Sikur 
te thoshje Zviceriani i Cyrihut nuk e kupton Gjermanin e Berlinit duke i 
ditur qe te dy keta paksa me te shkolluar mbase do te qendronte analogjia. 
Natyrisht qe nje bari apo bareshe e Valisit rrezik nuk do ta kuptoje as te 
folmen e Cyrihut e lere me ate te Bayernit, njesoj si barinjte e bareshat 
tona qofshin te Laberise apo Drenices nuk do ta kuptojne te folmen e Tiranes 
respektivisht ate te Prishtines.
Mirepo ketu eshte fjala ne rradhe te pare per mostolerancen, per 
mosgadishmerine per te kuptuar vetem e vetem pse sinjali politik dikujt i 
duket i gabuar.

> > kemi shkollaret e Tiranes qe
> > kane
> > problem ta kuptojne Fishten e keshtu me rradhe.
>
>shkollaret (se paku ata letrar) sdo te duhej te mund te marrin diploma
>nese nuk i kuptojne idiomat gjuhesore. atehere ketu qendron problemi tek
>shkollat ose sistemi shkollor. Ti e din me siguri me mire se une se 
>egziston edhe
>gjermanishtja e vjeter, qe pothuaj nuk kuptohet nga asnje njeri i
>"zakonshem". por letraret gjermane e kane te obligueshme ta mesojne kete 
>gjate
>studimeve; keshtue do te duhej te jete edhe me gjuhetaret tone, qofshin nga 
>tirana
>apo prishtina.

Aman mos e krahaso gjermanishten e vjeter te para dhjete shekujsh me Fishten 
qe s'ka 50 vite qe kuptohej nga cdo shqiptar i shkolluar. Domethene puna e 
Fishtes sipas teje paskesh mbaruar, ai tashi mund te jete objekt studimi 
vetem per gjuhetaret.

>Por ajo qe eshte akoma
> > me me
> > rendesi e kemi politizuar ceshtjen e gjuhes deri ne ate pike, sa qe
> > eshte
> > perligjur mundesia te shpallet tradhetar secili qe deshiron ta kultivoje
> > ate
> > ndryshe.
>
>OK, ketu pajtohem me Ty.
>
>
> > Menyra se si ka ndikuar Luteri dhe Gete nuk ka te beje me nacionalizem
> > apo
> > imponim te dhunshem, prandaj nuk protestojne zvicerianet e as austriaket
> > per
> > kete standard te mekembur me shekuj.
>
>Kur te merret parasysh enver hoxha, Ti ke te drejte, por me duket se me
>heret eshte permendur se gjate konferences qe eshte mbajte ne te 70tat 
>lidhur
>me unifikimin e gjuhes kane qene edhe gjuhetare kosovar prezent, te cilet
>kane aprovuar gjuhen letrare, prandaj imponimi i dhunshem me duket pak i
>tepruar.

Natyrisht qe Enver Hoxha nuk ua ka vene revolen ne temth gjuhtareve 
kosovare, por aman as nuk i ka pyetur fare. Keta kane mbetur para 
alternatives te shpallen tradhetare apo te pranojne "pa dhune" sajesen e 
gjuhtareve oborrtar te Enver Hoxhes. Nuk te duket dhune ty kjo?

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From zabeli at gmx.de  Thu Feb 24 10:57:06 2000
From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli)
Date: Thu Feb 24 10:57:06 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
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Vjollca:
> 
> Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia eshte nje cike e larget.
> Sikur 
> te thoshje Zviceriani i Cyrihut nuk e kupton Gjermanin e Berlinit duke i
> 
> ditur qe te dy keta paksa me te shkolluar mbase do te qendronte
> analogjia. 
> Natyrisht qe nje bari apo bareshe e Valisit rrezik nuk do ta kuptoje as
> te 
> folmen e Cyrihut e lere me ate te Bayernit, njesoj si barinjte e
> bareshat 
> tona qofshin te Laberise apo Drenices nuk do ta kuptojne te folmen e
> Tiranes 
> respektivisht ate te Prishtines.
> Mirepo ketu eshte fjala ne rradhe te pare per mostolerancen, per 
> mosgadishmerine per te kuptuar vetem e vetem pse sinjali politik dikujt
> i 
> duket i gabuar.

Une nuk i mora keto dy regjione si sinomim per fshatarsi, por (seriozisht)
rastesisht; gjermani i berlinit me siguri sdo e kuptoj as gjermanishten e
cyrihut; pasi qe per veshin e tij gjermanishtja e cyrihut me ate te wallisit
ndryshojne shume pak.
e sa i perket sinjalit politik - s'di ?'te them. Me shembullin tim vetem
desha te terhjeke nje paralele se ?fare sensi ka gjuha letrare e nuk pata
kurrefare prapavije politike.

 
 
> Aman mos e krahaso gjermanishten e vjeter te para dhjete shekujsh me
> Fishten 
> qe s'ka 50 vite qe kuptohej nga cdo shqiptar i shkolluar. Domethene puna
> e 
> Fishtes sipas teje paskesh mbaruar, ai tashi mund te jete objekt studimi
> 
> vetem per gjuhetaret.
 
Ke te drejte; shembulli im eshte margjinal; por nuk e mendova me doemos
gjermanishten e para dhjete shekujve...


 
> Natyrisht qe Enver Hoxha nuk ua ka vene revolen ne temth gjuhtareve 
> kosovare, por aman as nuk i ka pyetur fare. Keta kane mbetur para 
> alternatives te shpallen tradhetare apo te pranojne "pa dhune" sajesen e
> 
> gjuhtareve oborrtar te Enver Hoxhes. Nuk te duket dhune ty kjo?

me siguri se ka qene keshtu, prandaj edhe po te jap te drejte, por kur po
e marr parasysh qendrimin e ak. idriz ajetit (apo mos ishte nje tjeter), i
cili si anetare i asaj konference ne te 70tat, dhe sipas nje anetari te kesaj
liste, qet poshte ?do tentim te nje diskutimi rreth ratifikimit te gjuhes
letrare -perkunder faktit se sot nuk ka presion nga kurrefare enver hoxhe-
atehere pyes prapeseprave veten se a me te vertete ka qene nje imponim i
dhunshem?!?

me tmira
shyqa


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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 11:21:44 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 11:21:44 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224162106.5341.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Shyq Zabeli:
>Vjollca:
> >
> > Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia eshte nje cike e larget.
> > Sikur
> > te thoshje Zviceriani i Cyrihut nuk e kupton Gjermanin e Berlinit duke i
> >
> > ditur qe te dy keta paksa me te shkolluar mbase do te qendronte
> > analogjia.
> > Natyrisht qe nje bari apo bareshe e Valisit rrezik nuk do ta kuptoje as
> > te
> > folmen e Cyrihut e lere me ate te Bayernit, njesoj si barinjte e
> > bareshat
> > tona qofshin te Laberise apo Drenices nuk do ta kuptojne te folmen e
> > Tiranes
> > respektivisht ate te Prishtines.
> > Mirepo ketu eshte fjala ne rradhe te pare per mostolerancen, per
> > mosgadishmerine per te kuptuar vetem e vetem pse sinjali politik dikujt
> > i
> > duket i gabuar.
>
>Une nuk i mora keto dy regjione si sinomim per fshatarsi, por (seriozisht)
>rastesisht; gjermani i berlinit me siguri sdo e kuptoj as gjermanishten e
>cyrihut; pasi qe per veshin e tij gjermanishtja e cyrihut me ate te 
>wallisit
>ndryshojne shume pak.
>e sa i perket sinjalit politik - s'di ?'te them. Me shembullin tim vetem
>desha te terhjeke nje paralele se ?fare sensi ka gjuha letrare e nuk pata
>kurrefare prapavije politike.
>

E kuptova une qe ti keto dy regjione nuk i more si sinonime per fshataresi, 
por ja qe ishin shembuj te zgjedhur keq. E ke parasysh diskutimi u nise ne 
liste per shkak te te folmes se kryeqytetit.

>
> > Aman mos e krahaso gjermanishten e vjeter te para dhjete shekujsh me
> > Fishten
> > qe s'ka 50 vite qe kuptohej nga cdo shqiptar i shkolluar. Domethene puna
> > e
> > Fishtes sipas teje paskesh mbaruar, ai tashi mund te jete objekt studimi
> >
> > vetem per gjuhetaret.
>
>Ke te drejte; shembulli im eshte margjinal; por nuk e mendova me doemos
>gjermanishten e para dhjete shekujve...

Cilen e mendove? Gjermanishten e Getes e te Luterit e kupton secili 
gjermanofon edhe sot, natyrisht nuk dyshoj qe gjendet ndonje bari/eshe e 
Valisit qe ka veshtiresi ta kuptoje.

> > Natyrisht qe Enver Hoxha nuk ua ka vene revolen ne temth gjuhtareve
> > kosovare, por aman as nuk i ka pyetur fare. Keta kane mbetur para
> > alternatives te shpallen tradhetare apo te pranojne "pa dhune" sajesen e
> >
> > gjuhtareve oborrtar te Enver Hoxhes. Nuk te duket dhune ty kjo?
>
>me siguri se ka qene keshtu, prandaj edhe po te jap te drejte, por kur po
>e marr parasysh qendrimin e ak. idriz ajetit (apo mos ishte nje tjeter), i
>cili si anetare i asaj konference ne te 70tat, dhe sipas nje anetari te 
>kesaj
>liste, qet poshte ?do tentim te nje diskutimi rreth ratifikimit te gjuhes
>letrare -perkunder faktit se sot nuk ka presion nga kurrefare enver hoxhe-
>atehere pyes prapeseprave veten se a me te vertete ka qene nje imponim i
>dhunshem?!?

Alternativa ka mbetur po ajo e njejta: ose i permbahesh mosdiskutimit te "te 
arritures kombetare" ose te shpallin tradhetar/e. Kurajon qytetare nuk e 
kemi te zhvilluar as ne relacion me regjimin e lere me ne relacion me 
kombin.

v.
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From zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU  Thu Feb 24 12:02:04 2000
From: zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU (Linda Qosja)
Date: Thu Feb 24 12:02:04 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
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          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)

 hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)



> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
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> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
"livery" qe do te thote:
> > >
> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > >
> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > >
> > > Tung
> > > Dardani
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > >
> > > >Marre nga:
> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > >
> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > >
> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
Amerik?s,
> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > >
> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos
lini, e
> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > >
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From dardan at prishtina.com  Thu Feb 24 12:33:55 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 12:33:55 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
Message-ID: <200002241234.AA64749896@prishtina.com>

Cka ke qikjo se?

>> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah


???


---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Linda Qosja <zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:10 -0500

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>
>
>          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)
>
> hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)
>
>
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
>>
>> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
>> >
>> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
>> >
>> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
>"livery" qe do te thote:
>> > >
>> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
>> > >
>> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
>> > >
>> > > Tung
>> > > Dardani
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
>> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
>> > >
>> > > >Marre nga:
>> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
>> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
>> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
>> > > >
>> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
>> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
>> > > >
>> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
>Amerik?s,
>> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
>> > > >
>> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
>> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos
>lini, e
>> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 12:36:43 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Thu Feb 24 12:36:43 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
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--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom eenteresim.
Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si p.sh
ne thanjyen a maposhtme.

>Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
>eshte nje cike e larget

Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha Vjolltsa
nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon? 

eyvallah
euroschema :)

 >Shyq Zabeli:
> >Vjollca:
> > >
> > > Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> eshte nje cike e larget.
> > > Sikur
> > > te thoshje Zviceriani i Cyrihut nuk e kupton
> Gjermanin e Berlinit duke i
> > >
> > > ditur qe te dy keta paksa me te shkolluar mbase
> do te qendronte
> > > analogjia.
> > > Natyrisht qe nje bari apo bareshe e Valisit
> rrezik nuk do ta kuptoje as
> > > te
> > > folmen e Cyrihut e lere me ate te Bayernit,
> njesoj si barinjte e
> > > bareshat
> > > tona qofshin te Laberise apo Drenices nuk do ta
> kuptojne te folmen e
> > > Tiranes
> > > respektivisht ate te Prishtines.
> > > Mirepo ketu eshte fjala ne rradhe te pare per
> mostolerancen, per
> > > mosgadishmerine per te kuptuar vetem e vetem pse
> sinjali politik dikujt
> > > i
> > > duket i gabuar.
> >
> >Une nuk i mora keto dy regjione si sinomim per
> fshatarsi, por (seriozisht)
> >rastesisht; gjermani i berlinit me siguri sdo e
> kuptoj as gjermanishten e
> >cyrihut; pasi qe per veshin e tij gjermanishtja e
> cyrihut me ate te 
> >wallisit
> >ndryshojne shume pak.
> >e sa i perket sinjalit politik - s'di ?'te them. Me
> shembullin tim vetem
> >desha te terhjeke nje paralele se ?fare sensi ka
> gjuha letrare e nuk pata
> >kurrefare prapavije politike.
> >
> 
> E kuptova une qe ti keto dy regjione nuk i more si
> sinonime per fshataresi, 
> por ja qe ishin shembuj te zgjedhur keq. E ke
> parasysh diskutimi u nise ne 
> liste per shkak te te folmes se kryeqytetit.
> 
> >
> > > Aman mos e krahaso gjermanishten e vjeter te
> para dhjete shekujsh me
> > > Fishten
> > > qe s'ka 50 vite qe kuptohej nga cdo shqiptar i
> shkolluar. Domethene puna
> > > e
> > > Fishtes sipas teje paskesh mbaruar, ai tashi
> mund te jete objekt studimi
> > >
> > > vetem per gjuhetaret.
> >
> >Ke te drejte; shembulli im eshte margjinal; por nuk
> e mendova me doemos
> >gjermanishten e para dhjete shekujve...
> 
> Cilen e mendove? Gjermanishten e Getes e te Luterit
> e kupton secili 
> gjermanofon edhe sot, natyrisht nuk dyshoj qe
> gjendet ndonje bari/eshe e 
> Valisit qe ka veshtiresi ta kuptoje.
> 
> > > Natyrisht qe Enver Hoxha nuk ua ka vene revolen
> ne temth gjuhtareve
> > > kosovare, por aman as nuk i ka pyetur fare. Keta
> kane mbetur para
> > > alternatives te shpallen tradhetare apo te
> pranojne "pa dhune" sajesen e
> > >
> > > gjuhtareve oborrtar te Enver Hoxhes. Nuk te
> duket dhune ty kjo?
> >
> >me siguri se ka qene keshtu, prandaj edhe po te jap
> te drejte, por kur po
> >e marr parasysh qendrimin e ak. idriz ajetit (apo
> mos ishte nje tjeter), i
> >cili si anetare i asaj konference ne te 70tat, dhe
> sipas nje anetari te 
> >kesaj
> >liste, qet poshte ?do tentim te nje diskutimi rreth
> ratifikimit te gjuhes
> >letrare -perkunder faktit se sot nuk ka presion nga
> kurrefare enver hoxhe-
> >atehere pyes prapeseprave veten se a me te vertete
> ka qene nje imponim i
> >dhunshem?!?
> 
> Alternativa ka mbetur po ajo e njejta: ose i
> permbahesh mosdiskutimit te "te 
> arritures kombetare" ose te shpallin tradhetar/e.
> Kurajon qytetare nuk e 
> kemi te zhvilluar as ne relacion me regjimin e lere
> me ne relacion me 
> kombin.
> 
> v.
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 14:05:00 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Thu Feb 24 14:05:00 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224190421.31584.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Shemsi Hima:
>
>--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
>Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom eenteresim.
>Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
>yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
>edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si p.sh
>ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
>
> >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> >eshte nje cike e larget

Cfare ke te paqarte ketu? Ishte pra nje dicka qe dukej si analogji dhe 
kesisoji ishte interesante mirepo duke qene fare e larget me ate qe 
krahasohej mbetej me shume interesante sesa analogji e mirefillet.

>Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha Vjolltsa
>nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon?

Pikerisht ate qe e propagoj edhe po e shkruaj: tolerancen dhe 
diskutueshmerine e tabuve.

vjollca
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 24 15:37:56 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Thu Feb 24 15:37:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224203724.92802.qmail@hotmail.com>

I kahit je be daje ti, prishtinali(gace e mlute a?)

ejvalla


>From: "Vjollca Sadiku" <vjollca56 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
>Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 20:04:21 CET
>
>             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>>Shemsi Hima:
>>
>>--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>> >         Archives:
>> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>> >
>>Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom eenteresim.
>>Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
>>yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
>>edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si p.sh
>>ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
>>
>> >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
>> >eshte nje cike e larget
>
>Cfare ke te paqarte ketu? Ishte pra nje dicka qe dukej si analogji dhe
>kesisoji ishte interesante mirepo duke qene fare e larget me ate qe
>krahasohej mbetej me shume interesante sesa analogji e mirefillet.
>
>>Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha Vjolltsa
>>nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon?
>
>Pikerisht ate qe e propagoj edhe po e shkruaj: tolerancen dhe
>diskutueshmerine e tabuve.
>
>vjollca
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From Daqki at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 16:30:50 2000
From: Daqki at aol.com (Daqki at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 24 16:30:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
Message-ID: <8e.1a645e9.25e6fb9a@aol.com>

Gezim Nika e spjegon kete dukuri me se miri ne nje kenge te tij...

tung :)

- Sander 

Sander kome mendu qe ty te pelqen Nikolle nikprelaj=))....me ritmin e tij 
"turbo-folk"....ne albumin me te ri (platinum)"crilimtaret koke per toke"...

arbeni



From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 24 16:54:10 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 24 16:54:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
In-Reply-To: <8e.1a645e9.25e6fb9a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002241650560.15398-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Arben, 

ke te drejte, ritmi i ashtu-quajtur "turbo-folk" e ka nje tingellim te
thelle, qe jo vetem une, por te gjithe duhet t'i adaptohemi. 
;) 

tung

- Sander 


On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 Daqki at aol.com wrote:

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> 
> 
> Gezim Nika e spjegon kete dukuri me se miri ne nje kenge te tij...
> 
> tung :)
> 
> - Sander 
> 
> Sander kome mendu qe ty te pelqen Nikolle nikprelaj=))....me ritmin e tij 
> "turbo-folk"....ne albumin me te ri (platinum)"crilimtaret koke per toke"...
> 
> arbeni
> 
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From shhima at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 24 17:55:38 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Thu Feb 24 17:55:38 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000224225535.12095.qmail@web604.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> >Shemsi Hima:
> >
> >--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> >Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom
> eenteresim.
> >Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
> >yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
> >edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si
> p.sh
> >ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
> >
> > >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> > >eshte nje cike e larget
> 
> Cfare ke te paqarte ketu? Ishte pra nje dicka qe
> dukej si analogji dhe 
> kesisoji ishte interesante mirepo duke qene fare e
> larget me ate qe 
> krahasohej mbetej me shume interesante sesa analogji
> e mirefillet.
Kyo mirrey vesch edhe ma pare mirepo menyra ne te
tsilen e kische schprehe ischte pack chkeptike (sayese
kyo e yemya qi d.m.th e chkepte :)). analogjia nuck
mundet me tchene e larget ose e afert....e mos te
elaboroy ktu ma gjate...
> >Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha
> Vjolltsa
> >nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon?
> 
> Pikerisht ate qe e propagoj edhe po e shkruaj:
> tolerancen dhe 
> diskutueshmerine e tabuve.

Fare e ver8 kjo qi e thue. megjithate me ate qi
thasche ma pare, mendova ne phorme e yo ne permbaytye.
> 
> vjollca

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From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Thu Feb 24 18:31:21 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 24 18:31:21 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
Message-ID: <67.1d4a4cb.25e71923@aol.com>

Hello Sander......any chance you could help out with a little translation of 
anything that pertains to the UN Police and a possible solution to the 
Mitrovica situation?....Thanks.....Dennis



From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 24 18:34:33 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 24 18:34:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege apo toske?!
In-Reply-To: <67.1d4a4cb.25e71923@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002241834180.15398-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

We can sure try Dennis!



- Sander 


On Thu, 24 Feb 2000 Peacemaker526 at aol.com wrote:

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> 
> Hello Sander......any chance you could help out with a little translation of 
> anything that pertains to the UN Police and a possible solution to the 
> Mitrovica situation?....Thanks.....Dennis
> 
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From zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU  Thu Feb 24 19:12:11 2000
From: zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU (Linda Qosja)
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:12:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
References: <200002241234.AA64749896@prishtina.com>
Message-ID: <001d01bf7f0f$349c51c0$4c0a8d97@etsu.edu>

----- Original Message -----
From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?


>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
>
> Cka ke qikjo se?
>
> >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah


 e mer vesh dikur edhe ti :-)

> ???
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: Linda Qosja <zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
> Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:10 -0500
>
> >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> >
> >
> >
> >          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)
> >
> > hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
> >>
> >> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
> >"livery" qe do te thote:
> >> > >
> >> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> >> > >
> >> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> >> > >
> >> > > Tung
> >> > > Dardani
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> >> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> >> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> >> > >
> >> > > >Marre nga:
> >> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> >> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> >> > > >
> >> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> >> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
> >Amerik?s,
> >> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta
i
> >> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra
mos
> >lini, e
> >> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
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From ssander at ans.net  Thu Feb 24 19:20:47 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:20:47 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
In-Reply-To: <001d01bf7f0f$349c51c0$4c0a8d97@etsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002241920300.15398-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

edhe une e mora vesht Dardan :))

tung 
- Sander 


On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Linda Qosja wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
> 
> 
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >
> > Cka ke qikjo se?
> >
> > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> 
> 
>  e mer vesh dikur edhe ti :-)
> 
> > ???
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: Linda Qosja <zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
> > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:10 -0500
> >
> > >             --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)
> > >
> > > hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
> > >"livery" qe do te thote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Tung
> > >> > > Dardani
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > >> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > >> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > >> > >
> > >> > > >Marre nga:
> > >> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > >> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > >> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
> > >Amerik?s,
> > >> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta
> i
> > >> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra
> mos
> > >lini, e
> > >> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
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From zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU  Thu Feb 24 19:43:29 2000
From: zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU (Linda Qosja)
Date: Thu Feb 24 19:43:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002241920300.15398-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Sander Sinishtaj <ssander at ans.net>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?


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> edhe une e mora vesht Dardan :))

 hahahhaha mire mire ja keni nis :-))
>
> tung
> - Sander
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Linda Qosja wrote:
>
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
> >
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> > >
> > > Cka ke qikjo se?
> > >
> > > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> >
> >
> >  e mer vesh dikur edhe ti :-)
> >
> > > ???
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: Linda Qosja <zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
> > > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:10 -0500
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)
> > > >
> > > > hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> > > >> >
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> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej
anglishtes
> > > >"livery" qe do te thote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Tung
> > > >> > > Dardani
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > >> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > >> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >Marre nga:
> > > >> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > >> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar?
p?r
> > > >> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara
t?
> > > >Amerik?s,
> > > >> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove
kta
> > i
> > > >> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu
burra
> > mos
> > > >lini, e
> > > >> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > >> > > >
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From silke.blumbach at t-online.de  Thu Feb 24 20:16:29 2000
From: silke.blumbach at t-online.de (Silke Blumbach)
Date: Thu Feb 24 20:16:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fleta informative per kosovaret qe kthehen nga Gjermania
Message-ID: <38B5D790.12E7396B@t-online.de>


Qendra e Informacionit p?r Kosov?n
Strombergstra?e 11
70188 Stuttgart
Telefon: 07 11 / 26 33-11 79
Telefax: 07 11 / 26 33-14 61
E-mail: Caritasverband-Info.Zentrum at T-online.de

Stuttgart, m? 21 shkurt 2000


Fleta informative
p?r kosovar?t q? largohen nga Gjermania p?r t'u kthyer n? Kosov?

1. ?regjistrime / Anulime
? Lajm?rimi policor i largimit (me shkrim)
? Konsullata
? Sigurimet
? Firma / Vendi i pun?s
? Arka e sigurimit sh?ndet?sor
? Kontrata e banes?s
? Uji
? Rryma
? Gazi
? Ngrohja
? Posta
? Taksat e radios dhe televizionit
? Banka, kontoja n? post?
? Autorizimet p?r t?rheqje nga kontoja e vet
? Kontrata e kursimit
? Kontratat e mir?mbajtjes
? Shkolla
? Kopshti

2. Si t? merrni edhe m? shum? para
? Mos e harroni kaparin
? Gjeni nj? qiraxhi pasardh?s (shitja e orendive sht?piake etj.)
? Shiteni vajin p?r ngrohje, qymyrin
? Antena e televizorit, telefoni
? Shkopinjt? e perdes
? Dollapet e murit
? Pasqyrat e montuara
? Ndri?imi indirekt
? Zyra e financ?s (kompenzimi i taks?s mbi rro-g?n)
? ??shtje doganore
? Kthimi i taks?s s? vler?s s? shtuar

3. Mos harroni
? Seleksionojini dhe rregullojini me koh? rran-gullat p?r t? hedhur
? Caktojini / fillojini me koh? pun?t e rinovimit
? Kontrollojini dokumentat e udh?timit
? Blijini ila?et e nevojshme
? Vegla
? Let?r mbulese
? Informojini kujdestarin e sht?pis? dhe fqinjt? p?r dat?n e nd?rrimit
t? banes?s
? Rezervoni nj? vend parkimi p?r kamionin
? Mbajini jasht? bagazheve t? tjera ato sendet p?r t? cilat keni nevoj?
gjat? udh?timit dhe si-gurojini
? Mbajini me vete sendet e ?muara

4. N? dit?n e nd?rrimit t? banes?s
? ?ohuni me koh?
? Lexojeni kontatorin (rrym?, uj?, gaz)
? Mbulojini dyshemet? me let?r (folie)
? B?ni gati qese plehrash
? Zbrazeni kutin? e post?s
? ?montojini pllak?zat me emrin tuaj
? Kur t? keni hequr t? gjitha gj?rat, dor?zojeni banes?n t? pastruar
? Para b?rjes s? protokollit t? dor?zimit, kon-trollojeni gjith?ka
(mbylleni ?ezm?n e ujit dhe rubinetin e gazit, heqeni sigures?n)
? Firmoseni protokollin e dor?zimit me qira-dh?n?sin
? B?ni t'ju paguhet kapari, dor?zojeni v?rtetimin

5. Rrug?s
? Mbajini gati numrat e telefonit (familja, nd?r-marrja e transportit)
? N?se mundet, mbani kontakt me nd?rmarrjen e transportit
? ?lodheni rregullisht, pini mjaft (MOS PINI AL-KOOL!)
? N? rast defekti thirreni sigurimin e udh?timit (ose shoqat?n e
automobilist?ve ADAC)

6. Kur t? arrini
? Kryejini lajm?rimet (shih ?regjistrimet)
? Lajm?rohuni tek zyra e pun?s (shtroni k?r-kes?n p?r t? holla / ndihm?
papun?sie)
? Rregullojini kontributet p?r sigurimin e pensio-neve tek enti p?rkat?s

? Rregullojini ??shtjet doganore
? Kontrollojini t?r? dokumentat dhe ruajini n? nj? vend t? sigurt?
? Vizitojini fqinjt?





From vrexh at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 12:50:12 2000
From: vrexh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Vlora=20Rexhepi?=)
Date: Fri Feb 25 12:50:12 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000225174618.26258.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com>

Scheme,
A pak po te duket se po kemi probleme me GEGE dhe
TOSKE, sa qe po don me shti fitilin edhe per
Euroschip? Apo ndoshta duhet te fillosh nje thread te
ri: Shqip apo Euroshchip?!

Vlora 

--- Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom
> eenteresim.
> Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
> yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
> edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si p.sh
> ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
> 
> >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> >eshte nje cike e larget
> 
> Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha
> Vjolltsa
> nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon? 
> 
> eyvallah
> euroschema :)
> 
>  >Shyq Zabeli:
> > >Vjollca:
> > > >
> > > > Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> > eshte nje cike e larget.
> > > > Sikur
> > > > te thoshje Zviceriani i Cyrihut nuk e kupton
> > Gjermanin e Berlinit duke i
> > > >
> > > > ditur qe te dy keta paksa me te shkolluar
> mbase
> > do te qendronte
> > > > analogjia.
> > > > Natyrisht qe nje bari apo bareshe e Valisit
> > rrezik nuk do ta kuptoje as
> > > > te
> > > > folmen e Cyrihut e lere me ate te Bayernit,
> > njesoj si barinjte e
> > > > bareshat
> > > > tona qofshin te Laberise apo Drenices nuk do
> ta
> > kuptojne te folmen e
> > > > Tiranes
> > > > respektivisht ate te Prishtines.
> > > > Mirepo ketu eshte fjala ne rradhe te pare per
> > mostolerancen, per
> > > > mosgadishmerine per te kuptuar vetem e vetem
> pse
> > sinjali politik dikujt
> > > > i
> > > > duket i gabuar.
> > >
> > >Une nuk i mora keto dy regjione si sinomim per
> > fshatarsi, por (seriozisht)
> > >rastesisht; gjermani i berlinit me siguri sdo e
> > kuptoj as gjermanishten e
> > >cyrihut; pasi qe per veshin e tij gjermanishtja e
> > cyrihut me ate te 
> > >wallisit
> > >ndryshojne shume pak.
> > >e sa i perket sinjalit politik - s'di ?'te them.
> Me
> > shembullin tim vetem
> > >desha te terhjeke nje paralele se ?fare sensi ka
> > gjuha letrare e nuk pata
> > >kurrefare prapavije politike.
> > >
> > 
> > E kuptova une qe ti keto dy regjione nuk i more si
> > sinonime per fshataresi, 
> > por ja qe ishin shembuj te zgjedhur keq. E ke
> > parasysh diskutimi u nise ne 
> > liste per shkak te te folmes se kryeqytetit.
> > 
> > >
> > > > Aman mos e krahaso gjermanishten e vjeter te
> > para dhjete shekujsh me
> > > > Fishten
> > > > qe s'ka 50 vite qe kuptohej nga cdo shqiptar i
> > shkolluar. Domethene puna
> > > > e
> > > > Fishtes sipas teje paskesh mbaruar, ai tashi
> > mund te jete objekt studimi
> > > >
> > > > vetem per gjuhetaret.
> > >
> > >Ke te drejte; shembulli im eshte margjinal; por
> nuk
> > e mendova me doemos
> > >gjermanishten e para dhjete shekujve...
> > 
> > Cilen e mendove? Gjermanishten e Getes e te
> Luterit
> > e kupton secili 
> > gjermanofon edhe sot, natyrisht nuk dyshoj qe
> > gjendet ndonje bari/eshe e 
> > Valisit qe ka veshtiresi ta kuptoje.
> > 
> > > > Natyrisht qe Enver Hoxha nuk ua ka vene
> revolen
> > ne temth gjuhtareve
> > > > kosovare, por aman as nuk i ka pyetur fare.
> Keta
> > kane mbetur para
> > > > alternatives te shpallen tradhetare apo te
> > pranojne "pa dhune" sajesen e
> > > >
> > > > gjuhtareve oborrtar te Enver Hoxhes. Nuk te
> > duket dhune ty kjo?
> > >
> > >me siguri se ka qene keshtu, prandaj edhe po te
> jap
> > te drejte, por kur po
> > >e marr parasysh qendrimin e ak. idriz ajetit (apo
> > mos ishte nje tjeter), i
> > >cili si anetare i asaj konference ne te 70tat,
> dhe
> > sipas nje anetari te 
> > >kesaj
> > >liste, qet poshte ?do tentim te nje diskutimi
> rreth
> > ratifikimit te gjuhes
> > >letrare -perkunder faktit se sot nuk ka presion
> nga
> > kurrefare enver hoxhe-
> > >atehere pyes prapeseprave veten se a me te
> vertete
> > ka qene nje imponim i
> > >dhunshem?!?
> > 
> > Alternativa ka mbetur po ajo e njejta: ose i
> > permbahesh mosdiskutimit te "te 
> > arritures kombetare" ose te shpallin tradhetar/e.
> > Kurajon qytetare nuk e 
> > kemi te zhvilluar as ne relacion me regjimin e
> lere
> > me ne relacion me 
> > kombin.
> > 
> > v.
> >
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From vjollca56 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 25 13:12:42 2000
From: vjollca56 at hotmail.com (Vjollca Sadiku)
Date: Fri Feb 25 13:12:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000225091109.97205.qmail@hotmail.com>

>Shemsi Hima:
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> > >Shemsi Hima:
> > >
> > >--- Vjollca Sadiku <vjollca56 at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom
> > eenteresim.
> > >Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen Vjolltsa
> > >yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te Schyqit
> > >edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si
> > p.sh
> > >ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
> > >
> > > >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> > > >eshte nje cike e larget
> >
> > Cfare ke te paqarte ketu? Ishte pra nje dicka qe
> > dukej si analogji dhe
> > kesisoji ishte interesante mirepo duke qene fare e
> > larget me ate qe
> > krahasohej mbetej me shume interesante sesa analogji
> > e mirefillet.
>Kyo mirrey vesch edhe ma pare mirepo menyra ne te
>tsilen e kische schprehe ischte pack chkeptike (sayese
>kyo e yemya qi d.m.th e chkepte :)). analogjia nuck
>mundet me tchene e larget ose e afert....e mos te
>elaboroy ktu ma gjate...

Kerkoj ndjese nga ti dhe te gjithe anetaret tjere te listes, te cileve ua 
kam vrare veshin me kete abuzim te fjales analogji. Meqe akoma nuk e kam te 
qarte se cfare konkretisht ishte abuzimi te kisha lutur Shemsi megjithate te 
na e zberthesh ketu me gjate. Nese edhe fjala ckeptike ka keso finesash qe 
mbesin te fshehura per te vdekshmit e rendomte atehere t'u kisha lutur qe me 
te njejten rruge te na shpjegosh edhe drejtperdorimin e saj.

> > >Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha
> > Vjolltsa
> > >nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon?
> >
> > Pikerisht ate qe e propagoj edhe po e shkruaj:
> > tolerancen dhe
> > diskutueshmerine e tabuve.
>
>Fare e ver8 kjo qi e thue. megjithate me ate qi
>thasche ma pare, mendova ne phorme e yo ne permbaytye.

Nuk jam koshiente qe paskam propaguar ndonje forme te caktuar. Mbase edhe 
here tjeter kam perdorur ndonje fjale pa i ditur te gjitha finesat e 
perdorimit.

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From shhima at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 20:06:50 2000
From: shhima at yahoo.com (Shemsi Hima)
Date: Fri Feb 25 20:06:50 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] gege DHE toske!
Message-ID: <20000226010648.7639.qmail@web602.mail.yahoo.com>


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> > > >
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> wrote:
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> > > >Yam tue e pertsyelle kete debat me schoom
> > > eenteresim.
> > > >Mendimi yem ascht se argumentet qi i byen
> Vjolltsa
> > > >yane ma te phorta dhe ma bindese se ato te
> Schyqit
> > > >edhepse yo gjithmone te presentueme aq qarte si
> > > p.sh
> > > >ne thanjyen a maposhtme.
> > > >
> > > > >Krahasimi yt eshte interesant, por analogjia
> > > > >eshte nje cike e larget
> > >
> > > Cfare ke te paqarte ketu? Ishte pra nje dicka qe
> > > dukej si analogji dhe
> > > kesisoji ishte interesante mirepo duke qene fare
> e
> > > larget me ate qe
> > > krahasohej mbetej me shume interesante sesa
> analogji
> > > e mirefillet.
> >Kyo mirrey vesch edhe ma pare mirepo menyra ne te
> >tsilen e kische schprehe ischte pack chkeptike
> (sayese
> >kyo e yemya qi d.m.th e chkepte :)). analogjia nuck
> >mundet me tchene e larget ose e afert....e mos te
> >elaboroy ktu ma gjate...
> 
> Kerkoj ndjese nga ti dhe te gjithe anetaret tjere te
> listes, te cileve ua 
> kam vrare veshin me kete abuzim te fjales analogji.
> Meqe akoma nuk e kam te 
> qarte se cfare konkretisht ishte abuzimi te kisha
> lutur Shemsi megjithate te 
> na e zberthesh ketu me gjate.
Aschtu sich e thasche edhe ma pare
analogjia(ngjashmeria, perputhshmeria) nuck mundet me
u tsilesuesi e larget ose e aphert. Analogjia mund te
jete e mire ose e keqe, e qellueme ose e paqellueme e
keschtu me radhe. Spyegimi schtese qi i ban mbas
kritikes sem te pare e spyegon ma mire ate qi ti
daschte me e thane fillimischt. Besoy se tash
cuptohemi. 
 Nese edhe fjala
> ckeptike ka keso finesash qe 
> mbesin te fshehura per te vdekshmit e rendomte
> atehere t'u kisha lutur qe me 
> te njejten rruge te na shpjegosh edhe
> drejtperdorimin e saj.
> 
Sayesa yeme 'chkeptik-e' i nenschtrohet te gjitha
rregullave te gramatices schipe(euroschipe:).
Faliminderit per complimentin qi ma ban po (pa modesti
te rreyshme) edhe une yu percas yuve te tyerve; pra te
vdekschmive te rendomte:).  
> > > >Nyi gja megjithate me chudite; pse zonya/usha
> > > Vjolltsa
> > > >nuck e schkrooen ate qi e propagon?
> > >
> > > Pikerisht ate qe e propagoj edhe po e shkruaj:
> > > tolerancen dhe
> > > diskutueshmerine e tabuve.
> >
> >Fare e ver8 kjo qi e thue. megjithate me ate qi
> >thasche ma pare, mendova ne phorme e yo ne
> permbaytye.
> 
> Nuk jam koshiente qe paskam propaguar ndonje forme
> te caktuar. Mbase edhe 
> here tjeter kam perdorur ndonje fjale pa i ditur te
> gjitha finesat e 
> perdorimit.
>
Ach apet ceqcuptohemi. Me sa pasche nga diskuzionet
(falimineres Schyq:) qi i ban, propagon geghnishten.
Pyetya ischte se pse nuck schkruen geghnischt?
Po te kishe schkrooe gheghnischt porosia yote kischte
me qene ma e phorte. Per kete arsye mendoy se Iliri qi
schkrooente gheghnischt ischte ma i phorte ne
argumente e njikoheschit ma bindes dhe ma
influentsial.
Eyvallah
euroschema:)
> vjollca
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From iliriana at usa.net  Fri Feb 25 22:09:29 2000
From: iliriana at usa.net (Iliriana Mushkolaj)
Date: Fri Feb 25 22:09:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD Ndihme per Univeristetin e Prishtines - Fakultetin Juridik/ Pergjegjja]
Message-ID: <20000226030921.13120.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net>

Tung,

Me poshte ju lutem lexoni pergjegjen lidhur me temen "Ndihme per Univeristetin
e Prishtines - Fakultetin Juridik". Ju lutem qe per cdo gje lidhur me kete
teme te mos me kontaktoni mua personalisht por listen e diskutimeve. 

Iliriana

"Jetish Jashari" <jjashari at hotmail.com> wrote:


Tung Ilirjana,

Si pergjegje te e-mail- it tend te fundit ne te cilen ishte letra e z.Nimani
mbi ofrimin e ndihmes nga qeveria amerikane per Fakultetin Juridik te
Universitetit te Prishtines dhe ne te cilen kerkohej kontaktimi me keta te
fundit, une u mundova te bie ne kontakt dhe arrita te kontaktoj me z.Hajredin
Kuci i cili ishte caktuar te jete kontakt person nga ana e Fakuletit juridik
per kete ceshtje. Pas bisedes me te sot e mora kete leter e cila eshte
nenshkruar nga z. Rexhep Murati, Ligjerues ne Fakultetin Juridik dhe e cila ka
te beje me propozimin te percjellur nga ana e z. Nimani. Kjo leter eshte e
drejtuar per z.Nimani dhe do te te lutesha qe t'ia percjellish ne e-mail
adresen e tij. Shpresoj qe kjo leter te jete bere ne kohen e duhur, ndersa ne
vazhdim eshte permbajtja e saj. Gjithashtu si aneks i kesaj letre eshte edhe
kerkesa e z. Hajredin Kuci per z. Nimani qe te mos merret me insinuata qe kane
te bejne me emrin e z.Kuci.

Pershendetje,

Jetish Jashari.
______________________________________________________

I nderuari z. Nimani,


      Fillimisht, dua t'iu falenderoj per angazhimin Tuaj rreth ketij 
projekti. Projekti ishte mjaft ambicioz dhe interesant per fakultetin tone. Ne
jemi mjaft te interesuar qe t'i thellojme marredheniet me Universitetet
perendimore e edhe me kete qe ju e propozoni. Ne do te ishim te lumtur sikur
ky projekt te realizohej. Mendojme se perkitazi me projektin ne duhet te vejme
kontakte te rregullta dhe nje takim zyrtar paraprak ne te cilin do te mund t'i
konkretizonim keto synime dhe nenshkrimin eventual te kesaj marreveshjeje ne
menyre te qarte. Besoj se per kete do te angazhohemi sinqerisht dhe sigurisht
edhe i kuptoni keto veprime tona te domosdoshme per punen ne institucionin
tone. Duke shpresuar ne suksesin e kooperimit te metejme Ju pershendesim dhe
presim kontaktet tona sa me te shpejta.

Me nderime,

Prof. Rexhep Murati.
(pason nenshkrimi)













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From dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu  Sat Feb 26 16:54:07 2000
From: dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu (Diar Gashi)
Date: Sat Feb 26 16:54:07 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002241920300.15398-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002261653040.17938-100000@sparky.ic.sunysb.edu>

Une s'pe marr vesh.

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Sander Sinishtaj wrote:

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> edhe une e mora vesht Dardan :))
> 
> tung 
> - Sander 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, Linda Qosja wrote:
> 
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> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at prishtina.com>
> > To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 12:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
> > 
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> > >
> > > Cka ke qikjo se?
> > >
> > > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> > 
> > 
> >  e mer vesh dikur edhe ti :-)
> > 
> > > ???
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: Linda Qosja <zlqq2 at ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
> > > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > > Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 11:09:10 -0500
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> > > >
> > > >          > linda, mos je regjistru me u bo police pahiri?  ;-)
> > > >
> > > > hahahhaha Etrit ... paj sish kon keq jo :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 zlqq2 at access.etsu.edu wrote:
> > > >>
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >  Ddaush ahhahhahahahahhahhahhahhaahhahhahahahhahah
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> > > >> >
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> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
> > > >"livery" qe do te thote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Tung
> > > >> > > Dardani
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > >> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > >> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > >Marre nga:
> > > >> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > >> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > > >> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
> > > >Amerik?s,
> > > >> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta
> > i
> > > >> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra
> > mos
> > > >lini, e
> > > >> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
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From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Sat Feb 26 19:25:34 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Sat Feb 26 19:25:34 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
References: <Pine.PMDF.3.96.1000223100723.543253411A-100000@ACCESS.ETSU.EDU>
Message-ID: <38B870B6.A40E2E0@vnet.net>

LAV/?R,~RA f. sh. ~RA, ~RAT.
1. Punimi q? i b?het ar?s p?r ta mbjell?, l?vrimi i tok?s. Lavra e par? (e dyt?, e tret?). Kau
i lavr?s, I dha lav?r ar?s e punoi p?r ta mbjell?.
2. Tok? zakonisht e rrafsh?t, q? punohet si ar?; tok? e punuar zakonisht me parmend?. Lavra do
shi. e b?ri livadhin lav?r.
3. Cop? toke sa mund ta punoj? nj? pend? qe brenda nj? dite. Nj? lav?r tok?. Sa lavra b?ri?
4. Koha prej nj? viti, q? merret si mas? p?r t? dh?n? mosh?n qeve (q? kur kan? filluar t?
l?rojn?). Ka dy lavrash. Sa lavrash jan? qet??
* E b?ri lav?r d i ? k a e prishi di?ka, e p?rmbysi dhe e b?ri rr?muj?.

(NGA FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 956
1980, Tiran?

LIV/ROJ kal., ~OVA, ~UAR treg. I jap dikuj nj? mall, q? ?sht? porositur a paguar m? par? ose
sipas nj? marr?veshjeje t? caktuar. Livroj mallin (drithin, pajisjet).

FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 1008
1980, Tiran?


>
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >
> > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes "livery" qe do te thote:
> >
> > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> >
> > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> >
> > Tung
> > Dardani
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> >
> > >Marre nga:
> > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > >
> > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > >
> > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? Amerik?s,
> > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > >
> > >     Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove kta i
> > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos lini, e
> > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 27 07:58:16 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Sun Feb 27 07:58:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
Message-ID: <20000227125744.25302.qmail@hotmail.com>

O Drin o shoku i jem i 'detit'!

Fjalorin e 1980-shit je tu e perdore(t'para demonstratave a)?
Po, per kto 20 vjet fjala livron 500 here ka ndrru...
Mos i kallxo amerikanve :)

Shoku jot Burimi


>From: drin kryeziu <dkryeziu at vnet.net>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
>Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:32:54 -0500
>
>LAV/?R,~RA f. sh. ~RA, ~RAT.
>1. Punimi q? i b?het ar?s p?r ta mbjell?, l?vrimi i tok?s. Lavra e par? (e 
>dyt?, e tret?). Kau
>i lavr?s, I dha lav?r ar?s e punoi p?r ta mbjell?.
>2. Tok? zakonisht e rrafsh?t, q? punohet si ar?; tok? e punuar zakonisht me 
>parmend?. Lavra do
>shi. e b?ri livadhin lav?r.
>3. Cop? toke sa mund ta punoj? nj? pend? qe brenda nj? dite. Nj? lav?r 
>tok?. Sa lavra b?ri?
>4. Koha prej nj? viti, q? merret si mas? p?r t? dh?n? mosh?n qeve (q? kur 
>kan? filluar t?
>l?rojn?). Ka dy lavrash. Sa lavrash jan? qet??
>* E b?ri lav?r d i ? k a e prishi di?ka, e p?rmbysi dhe e b?ri rr?muj?.
>
>(NGA FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 956
>1980, Tiran?
>
>LIV/ROJ kal., ~OVA, ~UAR treg. I jap dikuj nj? mall, q? ?sht? porositur a 
>paguar m? par? ose
>sipas nj? marr?veshjeje t? caktuar. Livroj mallin (drithin, pajisjet).
>
>FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 1008
>1980, Tiran?
>
>
> >
> > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> >
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > >
> > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes 
>"livery" qe do te thote:
> > >
> > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > >
> > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > >
> > > Tung
> > > Dardani
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > >
> > > >Marre nga:
> > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > >
> > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > >
> > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t? 
>Amerik?s,
> > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > >
> > > >     Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove 
>kta i
> > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos 
>lini, e
> > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > >
> > > >
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From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 27 11:19:26 2000
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Sun Feb 27 11:19:26 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <20000227161850.1989.qmail@hotmail.com>

Keto jane komentet e fundit qe i morra prej Francit, tjerat, fatkeqesisht i 
kam fshire.


"I sent you the reaction from Alice Mead, also a writer about the 
Kosovo-issue on my statement.
Noel Malcolm is already disguished as only speaking pro-albanian so I would 
like to stay far away from him. In holland on the other hand there is much 
objective news from
both sides and it seems that more and more the world start to open their 
eyes (not only me) and see how dangerous albanians are going on with the 
situation there is now
in Kosovo. Soon you will need to start war against KFOR otherwise you are 
like we sya: from the rain into the dripping. (meaning, from bad into worse. 
Since the american
soldiers will certainly not stop raping little girls but soon start their 
own prostitutes etc ewtc like they had in Vietnam. You will in a few years 
see that you threw away bad
things but took in your province the devil!

----- Original Message -----
From: Alice Mead
To: frans hartman
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: time

Dear Frans
Of course Kosova should be multi-ethnic. But at the moment, it is barely 
controlled chaos, mixed with war-trauma, rock-bottom poverty and complete 
joblessness.
The ten years of apartheid rule destroyed the institutions and 
infrastructure of Kosova in an unusual way. All "normal" institutions are 
missing...esp. police and courts
and prisons. There are 100,000 Serbs who now live in fear in Kosova. What 
must be established first is lawfulness--on both sides of the border-- and 
that will take
time. How long I don't know. I wish I did! My own view is that just to 
recreate the minimum of law and order in Kosova will take five years. In 
that period, I urge
Serbs to provide whatever safety for themselves they can, with the help of 
KFOR. They are a minority now living in a lawless situation. I am sorry it's 
like this, but the
reality is that with no police or courts...even in a lawful  country like 
mine, shootings can proliferate quickly and no one here has been through a 
war. After five years,
tolerance and lawfulness taught all the time in schools as it is in the US 
(and we still have ethnic problems here)..then the Albanians must maintain 
full responsibility for
lawful conduct towards others--and themselves! Failure to do so should 
result in immediate consequences.
sorry I don't have an answer that will solve this in the next few months..I 
am afraid that Kosova will be pulled in many directions for a long time to 
come.
thanks for writing.
alice

----------
From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
To: <amead at maine.rr.com>
Subject: time
Date: Sat, Feb 19, 2000, 8:41 AM


     dear madam,
     Time to stand up after all these years fighting for the rights of the 
minority in Yugoslavia Now other people are expelled from their homes., 
murdered, raped by
     Kosovars. Twohundred-thousand Serbs had to leave their houses under the 
pressure of being murdered by Kosovars. Your writing of books how bad the
     Kosovars were threated is now done the same but only against the 
Serbs/Gypsies/Bosnians/Jews. Like the Albanians just planned to have their 
ethnically
     clean country.
     You write about a multi-cultural society.
     But can you answer this question:
     When Milosevic had power over Kosovo there WAS an multi-cultural 
society. Serbs, Turks. Serbian spaking muslims, Albanians, Bosnians, Jews, 
Roma and
     Sinti. Now there are almost alone living Albanians. So who is to blame 
for ethnical cleansing of that region?

     regards,


     Frans Hartman
     Amsterdam
     former UN-observer on the Balkan


>From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com, albert_hyseni at hotmail.com,        
>frans.hartman at worldonline.nl
>CC: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,        
>prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:11:25 -0800 (PST)
>
>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
>Kyo chi ascht schkrue ma posht dooket me tschene nyi
>perjije shpeyt e schkrooeme prey arsenalit tchi
>shumitsa e neve schiptarve e kena te pregatitun ne
>advans (resultat ky i edukimit tone patriotic ne
>schola komuniste) kur vyen poona te tschashtye sich
>ascht ayo e pheve te na. per correctesi politique
>kisha pase tcheph me e ledzue se tchka thote ay far
>Hartmani. Nese dicush e ka
>yu lutem me ma tschue ne e-mail adresen time.
>  falemnderit
>euroschema:)
>
>--- marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe,
> > even, too late. I wonder Mr
> > Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what
> > capacity? For your
> > comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
> >
> > Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and
> > there will be Albanians'
> > who will react violently due to the fact that their
> > whole families were
> > killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account
> > is this occurrence
> > calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people
> > reacting to century long
> > repression in the hands of Serbia.
> >
> > As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian
> > would sully their hands
> > and honour in committing such acts and actually
> > touching a Serb!
> >
> > There never were nor will there ever be islamic
> > terrorists in Kosove. You
> > seem to confuse the concept of nationality and
> > religion. By nationality all
> > of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim
> > faith, Roman Catholic
> > and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was
> > never a problem amongst
> > ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that
> > matters!
> >
> > It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even
> > after the war in Bosnia
> > and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans
> > began for religious
> > reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up
> > in flames is because
> > Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention
> > had to be diverted
> > somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998
> > Kosova.
> >
> > There is so much more I can tell you about however
> > it is best if you get
> > hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it
> > for yourself.
> >
> >
> > Yours sincerely
> >
> >
> > Marta K. Gazideda
> >
> >
> >
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From l.gjinali at leka.co.uk  Sun Feb 27 12:18:13 2000
From: l.gjinali at leka.co.uk (Leke Gjinali)
Date: Sun Feb 27 12:18:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova Road Atlas
References: <20000227161850.1989.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01bf8146$68773580$22a693c3@qmw.ac.uk.alpha.qmw.ac.uk>

Kosova Road Atlas, can now be downloaded from the Kosova-Foundation website

http://www.kosova-foundation.org/info.html


Leke Gjinali







From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu  Sun Feb 27 13:43:29 2000
From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli)
Date: Sun Feb 27 13:43:29 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
Message-ID: <004d01bf8163$09154ec0$828df880@xyz.uic.edu>

>Keto jane komentet e fundit qe i morra prej Francit, tjerat, fatkeqesisht i
>kam fshire.


as mos u merr fare me te; eshte i marre;

frans hartman me tha njehere se ishte shume i zemeruar me nje kenge
shqiptare qe kishte degjuar, sepse sipas tij kenga ishte nacionaliste dhe
nje i rritur po ia mesonte nje femije - po mbillte urrejtje ne nje femije;

kur e pyeta nese dinte shqip - dhe kush ia kishte perkthyer kengen nese ai
nuk dinte shqip, frans.hartman m'u pergjigj se ne shqiptaret ishim te gjithe
minj;

kur i vura ne dukje se opinionet e tij koincidonin 100% me opinionet e
qeverise serbe, dhe ai nuk kishte as edhe nje mendim ndryshe nga qeveria
serbe - atehere mora nje tjeter pergjigje fyese;




From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Sun Feb 27 15:49:49 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Sun Feb 27 15:49:49 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
References: <20000227125744.25302.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <38B98F8C.2C07576E@vnet.net>

Burim a mos ki ni qe o dal naj fjalor ma i ri??

Burim Hana wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
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>
> O Drin o shoku i jem i 'detit'!
>
> Fjalorin e 1980-shit je tu e perdore(t'para demonstratave a)?
> Po, per kto 20 vjet fjala livron 500 here ka ndrru...
> Mos i kallxo amerikanve :)
>
> Shoku jot Burimi
>
> >From: drin kryeziu <dkryeziu at vnet.net>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
> >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:32:54 -0500
> >
> >LAV/?R,~RA f. sh. ~RA, ~RAT.
> >1. Punimi q? i b?het ar?s p?r ta mbjell?, l?vrimi i tok?s. Lavra e par? (e
> >dyt?, e tret?). Kau
> >i lavr?s, I dha lav?r ar?s e punoi p?r ta mbjell?.
> >2. Tok? zakonisht e rrafsh?t, q? punohet si ar?; tok? e punuar zakonisht me
> >parmend?. Lavra do
> >shi. e b?ri livadhin lav?r.
> >3. Cop? toke sa mund ta punoj? nj? pend? qe brenda nj? dite. Nj? lav?r
> >tok?. Sa lavra b?ri?
> >4. Koha prej nj? viti, q? merret si mas? p?r t? dh?n? mosh?n qeve (q? kur
> >kan? filluar t?
> >l?rojn?). Ka dy lavrash. Sa lavrash jan? qet??
> >* E b?ri lav?r d i ? k a e prishi di?ka, e p?rmbysi dhe e b?ri rr?muj?.
> >
> >(NGA FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 956
> >1980, Tiran?
> >
> >LIV/ROJ kal., ~OVA, ~UAR treg. I jap dikuj nj? mall, q? ?sht? porositur a
> >paguar m? par? ose
> >sipas nj? marr?veshjeje t? caktuar. Livroj mallin (drithin, pajisjet).
> >
> >FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 1008
> >1980, Tiran?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> > >
> > > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
> >"livery" qe do te thote:
> > > >
> > > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > > >
> > > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > > >
> > > > Tung
> > > > Dardani
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > > >
> > > > >Marre nga:
> > > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > > >
> > > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? p?r
> > > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > > >
> > > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
> >Amerik?s,
> > > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > > >
> > > > >     Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare n'Kosove
> >kta i
> > > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra mos
> >lini, e
> > > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From juniku at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 27 16:19:42 2000
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Sun Feb 27 16:19:42 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shpjegim i shkurter
Message-ID: <20000227211911.16846.qmail@hotmail.com>

Te nderuar anetare te listes,

duke qene i angazhuar ne nje projekt me ish ushtaret e Batalionit Atlantiku, 
grupi qe iu bashkangjit UCK-se nga SHBA, nuk kam pasur mundesi te percjell 
diskutimet ne liste ne menyre te rregullt. Mirepo arsyeja qe me shtyn te 
shkruaj kete shpjegim eshte nje leter e z. Etrit Bardhi gjate diskutimeve 
per vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove ku ai ne menyre hipotetike sypozon se pas 
emrit te dikuj tjeter mund te qendroja une.

Nje- une kurre s'do te lejoj veten te fshehem pas cfaredo emrash apo 
pseudonmesh,

dy- tragjedia e Kosoves nuk me lejon te merrem me politizime, sidomos kur 
nuk kam kompetenca,

tre- kjo liste eshte e parapare si liste e diskutimeve konstruktive per, mbi 
dhe rreth kryeqytetit- Prishtines, dhe

kater- mendoj se eshte me e rendesishme te merremi me informimin posacerisht 
te botes joshqipfolese per situaten ne trojet shqiptare dhe perspektivat 
atje sesa me gjoja analiza jo per shkaset dhe pasojat politike te proceseve 
politike, jo per gjuhen shqipe etj. Eshte ne rregull te diskutohet per 
gjithcka, por sipas meje do te duhej te vendoseshin prioritete (sepakut 
personale), pasiqe dihet se tashme asnje shqiptar kund ne bote nuk eshte i 
paprekur nga pasojat e tragjedise shqiptare te Kosoves. Ka shume per tu bere 
dhe nuk guxojme te harrojme, mirepo shikimi duhet te hidhet perpara dhe t' 
mos merremi me diskualifikime te personave por me realizim te projekteve. 
Natyrisht nese kemi. T' pushojme te derdellisim. Per mua eshte me e 
rendesishme b.f. te behen aksione te ndryshme dergimi te e mailave ne zyret 
e KB-se, ose NATO-s ose kancelarive boterore per permbushjen e premtive te 
tyre financiare ndaj Kosooves dhe lirimit te roberve te luftes neper 
Jugosllavine Cung sesa te merremi me aspekte akadamike dhe etike te vrasjeve 
te qytetareve ne Kosove. Kjo liste edhe nuk e ka ate karakter dhe as nuk 
mund ta kete edhe po deshi dikush ta veneroje, shfrytezoje ose ta drejtoje 
ashtu. Vrasjet do te duhej te pushonin dhe jeta do te duhej te filloje te 
lulzoje ne Kosove dhe gjithkah ne Ballkan. Tekefundit lufta ne Kosove eshte 
bere kunder vrasjes dhe per jeten. Ne nuk guxojme te harrojme por do te 
duhej te falim.


Me pershendetje-

Uk Lushi
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From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Sun Feb 27 17:21:40 2000
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 27 17:21:40 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova Road Atlas
Message-ID: <f.17d942c.25eafd4d@aol.com>

Hello..thanks for much for the Map site.....it is a big help.....I am 
preparing for a 22 March deployment to Kosovo.......is the cell phone system 
working in Pristina?.......how about the outlying areas?

Dennis



From etrit at alb-net.com  Sun Feb 27 22:14:57 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sun Feb 27 22:14:57 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shpjegim i shkurter
In-Reply-To: <20000227211911.16846.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002272206180.5296-100000@alb-net.com>

On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, Uk Lushi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> Te nderuar anetare te listes,
> 
> duke qene i angazhuar ne nje projekt me ish ushtaret e Batalionit Atlantiku, 
> grupi qe iu bashkangjit UCK-se nga SHBA, nuk kam pasur mundesi te percjell 
> diskutimet ne liste ne menyre te rregullt. Mirepo arsyeja qe me shtyn te 
> shkruaj kete shpjegim eshte nje leter e z. Etrit Bardhi gjate diskutimeve 
> per vrasjet e civileve ne Kosove ku ai ne menyre hipotetike sypozon se pas 
> emrit te dikuj tjeter mund te qendroja une.

Tung Uk, me fal nese ka ra letra ime si supozim, une vetem desha te di
mendimin tend, pasi qe edhepse ndonjehere i kemi mendimet e ndryshme, i
lexoj letrat tua pasi qe jane interesante.

Poashtu pajtohem me ty se edhepse kjo liste eshte krijuar per diskutime
rreth qeshtjes se Prishtines, ajo me se paku diskutohet ketu, por keshtu e
paska "freedom of speech." ;-) 

Poashtu a e keni lexu lajmin e zjarrit qe e kaploi pallatin e sporteve
"boro e ramizi" (mesiguri ia kane nderru emrin deri tani, ndoshta tani
quhet vetem "ramizi"?)  Shikojini fotot ne www.prishtina.com

Tung,
Etriti.
 > 
> Nje- une kurre s'do te lejoj veten te fshehem pas cfaredo emrash apo 
> pseudonmesh,
> 
> dy- tragjedia e Kosoves nuk me lejon te merrem me politizime, sidomos kur 
> nuk kam kompetenca,
> 
> tre- kjo liste eshte e parapare si liste e diskutimeve konstruktive per, mbi 
> dhe rreth kryeqytetit- Prishtines, dhe
> 
> kater- mendoj se eshte me e rendesishme te merremi me informimin posacerisht 
> te botes joshqipfolese per situaten ne trojet shqiptare dhe perspektivat 
> atje sesa me gjoja analiza jo per shkaset dhe pasojat politike te proceseve 
> politike, jo per gjuhen shqipe etj. Eshte ne rregull te diskutohet per 
> gjithcka, por sipas meje do te duhej te vendoseshin prioritete (sepakut 
> personale), pasiqe dihet se tashme asnje shqiptar kund ne bote nuk eshte i 
> paprekur nga pasojat e tragjedise shqiptare te Kosoves. Ka shume per tu bere 
> dhe nuk guxojme te harrojme, mirepo shikimi duhet te hidhet perpara dhe t' 
> mos merremi me diskualifikime te personave por me realizim te projekteve. 
> Natyrisht nese kemi. T' pushojme te derdellisim. Per mua eshte me e 
> rendesishme b.f. te behen aksione te ndryshme dergimi te e mailave ne zyret 
> e KB-se, ose NATO-s ose kancelarive boterore per permbushjen e premtive te 
> tyre financiare ndaj Kosooves dhe lirimit te roberve te luftes neper 
> Jugosllavine Cung sesa te merremi me aspekte akadamike dhe etike te vrasjeve 
> te qytetareve ne Kosove. Kjo liste edhe nuk e ka ate karakter dhe as nuk 
> mund ta kete edhe po deshi dikush ta veneroje, shfrytezoje ose ta drejtoje 
> ashtu. Vrasjet do te duhej te pushonin dhe jeta do te duhej te filloje te 
> lulzoje ne Kosove dhe gjithkah ne Ballkan. Tekefundit lufta ne Kosove eshte 
> bere kunder vrasjes dhe per jeten. Ne nuk guxojme te harrojme por do te 
> duhej te falim.
> 
> 
> Me pershendetje-
> 
> Uk Lushi
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From ssander at ans.net  Mon Feb 28 10:42:03 2000
From: ssander at ans.net (Sander Sinishtaj)
Date: Mon Feb 28 10:42:03 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
In-Reply-To: <20000227161850.1989.qmail@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002281038590.19751-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>

Tung, 

sa i perket ketij Francit, nuk e di se pse i pergjigjemi fare.  Mendjen me
ja ndrru nuk mujme, po edhe nese mundemi, shihet se qellimi i tij nuk
eshte i tille.   Fillimisht edhe une i pergjigjesha me komente te tilla,
por dukej se ishte e kote si per te ashtu edhe per mua.  Ne kete rast
besoj se mos-reagimi ndaj komenteve te tij do te ishte komenti me i mire.
Natyrisht, ky eshte vetem mendimi im :)

Pershendetje!

- Sander 


On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, marta gazideda wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> 
> 
> Keto jane komentet e fundit qe i morra prej Francit, tjerat, fatkeqesisht i 
> kam fshire.
> 
> 
> "I sent you the reaction from Alice Mead, also a writer about the 
> Kosovo-issue on my statement.
> Noel Malcolm is already disguished as only speaking pro-albanian so I would 
> like to stay far away from him. In holland on the other hand there is much 
> objective news from
> both sides and it seems that more and more the world start to open their 
> eyes (not only me) and see how dangerous albanians are going on with the 
> situation there is now
> in Kosovo. Soon you will need to start war against KFOR otherwise you are 
> like we sya: from the rain into the dripping. (meaning, from bad into worse. 
> Since the american
> soldiers will certainly not stop raping little girls but soon start their 
> own prostitutes etc ewtc like they had in Vietnam. You will in a few years 
> see that you threw away bad
> things but took in your province the devil!
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alice Mead
> To: frans hartman
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 3:03 PM
> Subject: Re: time
> 
> Dear Frans
> Of course Kosova should be multi-ethnic. But at the moment, it is barely 
> controlled chaos, mixed with war-trauma, rock-bottom poverty and complete 
> joblessness.
> The ten years of apartheid rule destroyed the institutions and 
> infrastructure of Kosova in an unusual way. All "normal" institutions are 
> missing...esp. police and courts
> and prisons. There are 100,000 Serbs who now live in fear in Kosova. What 
> must be established first is lawfulness--on both sides of the border-- and 
> that will take
> time. How long I don't know. I wish I did! My own view is that just to 
> recreate the minimum of law and order in Kosova will take five years. In 
> that period, I urge
> Serbs to provide whatever safety for themselves they can, with the help of 
> KFOR. They are a minority now living in a lawless situation. I am sorry it's 
> like this, but the
> reality is that with no police or courts...even in a lawful  country like 
> mine, shootings can proliferate quickly and no one here has been through a 
> war. After five years,
> tolerance and lawfulness taught all the time in schools as it is in the US 
> (and we still have ethnic problems here)..then the Albanians must maintain 
> full responsibility for
> lawful conduct towards others--and themselves! Failure to do so should 
> result in immediate consequences.
> sorry I don't have an answer that will solve this in the next few months..I 
> am afraid that Kosova will be pulled in many directions for a long time to 
> come.
> thanks for writing.
> alice
> 
> ----------
> From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> To: <amead at maine.rr.com>
> Subject: time
> Date: Sat, Feb 19, 2000, 8:41 AM
> 
> 
>      dear madam,
>      Time to stand up after all these years fighting for the rights of the 
> minority in Yugoslavia Now other people are expelled from their homes., 
> murdered, raped by
>      Kosovars. Twohundred-thousand Serbs had to leave their houses under the 
> pressure of being murdered by Kosovars. Your writing of books how bad the
>      Kosovars were threated is now done the same but only against the 
> Serbs/Gypsies/Bosnians/Jews. Like the Albanians just planned to have their 
> ethnically
>      clean country.
>      You write about a multi-cultural society.
>      But can you answer this question:
>      When Milosevic had power over Kosovo there WAS an multi-cultural 
> society. Serbs, Turks. Serbian spaking muslims, Albanians, Bosnians, Jews, 
> Roma and
>      Sinti. Now there are almost alone living Albanians. So who is to blame 
> for ethnical cleansing of that region?
> 
>      regards,
> 
> 
>      Frans Hartman
>      Amsterdam
>      former UN-observer on the Balkan
> 
> 
> >From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com, albert_hyseni at hotmail.com,        
> >frans.hartman at worldonline.nl
> >CC: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,        
> >prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
> >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:11:25 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >Kyo chi ascht schkrue ma posht dooket me tschene nyi
> >perjije shpeyt e schkrooeme prey arsenalit tchi
> >shumitsa e neve schiptarve e kena te pregatitun ne
> >advans (resultat ky i edukimit tone patriotic ne
> >schola komuniste) kur vyen poona te tschashtye sich
> >ascht ayo e pheve te na. per correctesi politique
> >kisha pase tcheph me e ledzue se tchka thote ay far
> >Hartmani. Nese dicush e ka
> >yu lutem me ma tschue ne e-mail adresen time.
> >  falemnderit
> >euroschema:)
> >
> >--- marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > > I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe,
> > > even, too late. I wonder Mr
> > > Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what
> > > capacity? For your
> > > comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
> > >
> > > Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and
> > > there will be Albanians'
> > > who will react violently due to the fact that their
> > > whole families were
> > > killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account
> > > is this occurrence
> > > calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people
> > > reacting to century long
> > > repression in the hands of Serbia.
> > >
> > > As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian
> > > would sully their hands
> > > and honour in committing such acts and actually
> > > touching a Serb!
> > >
> > > There never were nor will there ever be islamic
> > > terrorists in Kosove. You
> > > seem to confuse the concept of nationality and
> > > religion. By nationality all
> > > of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim
> > > faith, Roman Catholic
> > > and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was
> > > never a problem amongst
> > > ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that
> > > matters!
> > >
> > > It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even
> > > after the war in Bosnia
> > > and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans
> > > began for religious
> > > reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up
> > > in flames is because
> > > Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention
> > > had to be diverted
> > > somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998
> > > Kosova.
> > >
> > > There is so much more I can tell you about however
> > > it is best if you get
> > > hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it
> > > for yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > > Yours sincerely
> > >
> > >
> > > Marta K. Gazideda
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From l.gjinali at leka.co.uk  Mon Feb 28 13:39:11 2000
From: l.gjinali at leka.co.uk (Leke Gjinali)
Date: Mon Feb 28 13:39:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova Road Atlas
References: <f.17d942c.25eafd4d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701bf821a$f1197040$2aa193c3@qmw.ac.uk.alpha.qmw.ac.uk>

There are two cell phone systems ( GSM  ) working in Prishtina

Have a nice time, enjoy yourself and get some work done

Leke Hjinali


----- Original Message -----
From: <Peacemaker526 at aol.com>
To: <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: 27 February 2000 22:21
Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Kosova Road Atlas


>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> Hello..thanks for much for the Map site.....it is a big help.....I am
> preparing for a 22 March deployment to Kosovo.......is the cell phone
system
> working in Pristina?.......how about the outlying areas?
>
> Dennis
>
> _____________________________________________________
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Feb 28 13:44:18 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Feb 28 13:44:18 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 21
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002281336350.5296-100000@alb-net.com>

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:04:36 +0100
From: Nol Shala <nol at KULTURSERVER.DE>

- Nga fundi i shkurtit "Kori i burrave" i Gjakov?s do t? mbaj? disa koncerte
n? disa qytete t? Kosov?s p?r f?mij?t e traumatizuar t? luft?s. Drejtori dhe
dirigjenti i k?tij kori akademiku Rauf Dhomi theksoj se q?llimi i k?tyre
koncerteve ?sht? f?mij?ve kosovar t'ju ndihmohet n? p?rballimin e traumave
t? luft?s. Kori i burrave do t? prezentohet me repertuarin m? t? suksesh?m
t? dhjetvjetorit t? fundit n? kuad?r e t? cilit do t? marrin pjes? edhe
kat?r solist? nga SHBA, Anglia, Holanda dhe Skocia. Nd?rsa me 10. qershor
2000 p?r nder t? "Lidhjes s? Prizrenit" dhe me 12. qershor 2000 dit?s s?
hyrjes s? KFOR-it n? Kosov? "Kori i burrave" do t? mbaj? nj? koncert q?ndror
n? Prishtin?. Me k?t? rast do t? sh?nohet gjithahtu edhe 35 vjetori i pun?s
s? sukseshme t? korit. N? k?t? manifestim do t? ftohen t? gjitha koret a
cappella nga Kosova dhe jasht?.

- Qendra kulturore e student?ve "Vizioni" fton t? gjith? krijuesit e rinj q?
t? marrin pjes? n? konkursin e poezis?. Poezit? duhen t? dor?zohen deri n?
fund t? shkurtit 2000 n? lokalet e k?saj qendre e cila gjindet af?r
Elektrokosov?s. Poezit? m? t? mira do t? shp?rblehen me shp?rblime n? t?
holla.

- Figura e humanist?s dhe nobelist?s "N?na Terez?" do t? p?rjet?sohet n? nj?
relief monumental. Si? lajmron ATSH Ministria e Kultur?s s? Shqip?ris? b?n
t? ditur se s? shpejti do t? shpallet konkursi p?r p?rcaktimin e skulptorit
p?r realizimin e k?tij reliefi. Monumenti mendohet t? inguarohet n? sheshin
e Universitetit t? Tiran?s n? fillim t? shtatorit 2000 p?r p?rvjetorin e
tret? t? vdekjes s? N?n?s Terez?.

- K?tyre dit?ve vizitoj komandanti i forcave t? KFOR-it n? Kosov?, Gjenerali
Klaus Reinhardt, Galerin e Arteve t? Kosov?s (GAK). Me k?t? rast u shpreh
Gjenerali Reinhardt, se ishte impresionuar me pikturat e artist?ve kosovar
posaq?risht me pikturat e L. Mulliqit (L. Mulliqi - drejtor i GAK-ut).
Gjenerali Reinhardt dhe L. Mulliqi biseduan p?r mund?sit e bashkpunimit
reciprok dhe realizimin e nj? projekti t? p?rbashk?t "N? nj? an? tregojn?
vuajtjet, nd?rsa n? an?n tjet?r shfaqin shpres?n". P?rve? tjerash plot?soj
Gjenerali Reinhardt, se n? mesin e ushtar?ve t? KFOR-it ka edhe artista t?
l?mive t? ndryshme, t? cil?t n? koh?n e lir? munden t? ky?en n? realizimin e
projekteve t? p?rbashk?ta artistike. Gjenerali premtoj se do t`i jep emrat e
ushtar?ve respektivisht artist?ve t? KFOR-it dhe se kjo ??shtje do t? kryhet
brenda qershorit.

- Me 20. shkurt 2000 n? Teatrin Komb?tar n? Prishtin? u prezentua premiera e
shfaqjes "Fluturimi mbi folen e qyq?s" n? regjin? e Ilir Bokshit. Rolet i
luajt?n Armond Morina, Blerim Gjoci, Lirak ?elaj, Arben Kastrati, Luan Jaha,
Arta Mu?aj etj. Skenografin? e p?rgatiti Petrit Bakalli, muzik?n e komponoj
Rafet Rudi, kostumografin e b?ri Samka Ferri. Kjo dram? u shfaq p?r her? t?
par? n? Off-Broadway n? Mercer Hauberry Theater n? vitin 1971. Ngjarja e
shfaqjes zhvillohet n? nj? psihiatrij. N? baz? t? ngjarjes munden shikuesit
t? v?rejn? se ?sht? fjala p?r nj? matorje psikologjike n? kuad?r t? s? cil?s
f?tyrat mundohen ta indentifikojn? vetvet?n.

- Me 24. shkurt 2000 n? Galerin? e Art?ve t? Kosov?s (GAK) u hap ekspozita
retrospektive t? artistit kosovar akademikut t? ndjer? Muslim Mulliqit. K?t?
ekspozit? e organizoj ASHAK dhe GAK. Ekspozit?n e hapi kryetari i Akademis?
s? Shkencave dhe t? Art?ve t? Kosov?s Dr. Akad. Nexhat Daci, i cili me k?t?
rast foli p?r vepr?n e piktorit t? madh kosovar. N? k?t? retrospektiv u
paraqit puna shum?vje?are, duke p?rfshir? m? se 30 piktura nga cikli mbi
kullat, ?ardak?t, mbi udh?timet qiellore etj. P?rve? ekspozit?s u b?
promovimi i monografis? kushtuar piktorit me rastin e 2 vjetorit t? vdekjes
s? tij. Autori i monografis? ?sht? Dr. Hivzi Muharremi, dekan i Akademis? s?
Arteve.

- Me 21. shkurt 2000 n? Teatrin "Dodona" n? Prishtin? u shfaq "Per Amore
 (p?r dashurin?) t? qendr?s kulturore Skarlatine t? Italis?. K?t? shfaqje e
organizuan Organizata Nd?rkomb?tare p?r Migrim (IOM) me bashk?punim me
Fakultetet e Mjek?sis? dhe Filozofik t? Universitetit t? Prishtin?s. Kjo
shfaqje trajton dy femra me ide feministe t? cilat e presin t? njejtin
burr?, t? cilin e dashurojn?. Kjo dashuri kalon n? urrejtje p?r shkak t?
qendrimeve t? burrit ndaj bot?s femrore. Rolet e femrave i luajt?n Giulietta
Debernardi dhe Anna Fascendini. Skenimin e b?ri Roland Barthesi.

P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina

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From dardan at prishtina.com  Mon Feb 28 17:40:11 2000
From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Mon Feb 28 17:40:11 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Palestra e sportit
Message-ID: <200002261703.AA186253684@prishtina.com>



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bodrumet e s=EB cil=EBs ishin strehuar prej gjilp=EBr=EBs deri te nafta? 

Nd=EBrtesa u dogj sepse shqiptar=EBt vazhduan sistemin serb t=EB menaxhimit=


Njer=EBzit q=EB kan=EB menaxhuar nd=EBrtes=EBn nuk kan=EB pasur ide se si d=
uhet ruajtur at=EB. Shqiptar=EBt kan=EB vazhduar at=EB q=EB e lan=EB serb=
=EBt. E gjitha ishte krijuar mbrapsht=EB dhe kishte vazhduar me ritmin e nj=
=EBjt=EB.

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teve ende dilte me t=EB madhe gjat=EB dit=EBs s=EB shtun=EB, dhe copa t=EB =
m=EBdha bakri nga kulmi i nd=EBrtes=EBs binin n=EB brendi t=EB pjes=EBs s=
=EB djegur t=EB nd=EBrtes=EBs. Zjarri n=EB Qendr=EBn e Rinis=EB dhe Sportev=
e kishte filluar duke mos b=EBr=EB shum=EB zhurm=EB, por djegia e depove t=
=EB mbyllura me dyer t=EB metalta dhe materiet djeg=EBse n=EB nd=EBrtes=EB =
e kan=EB b=EBr=EB zjarrin edhe m=EB t=EB madh. =93Ky zjarr kurr=EB nuk do t=
=EB kishte ndodhur n=EB =CBvrop=EB=94, ka th=EBn=EB Robert Triozzi, zyrtar =
nga nj=EBsiti i zjarrfik=EBsve t=EB Ne=EB Yorkut q=EB quhet =93The Breavest=
 (M=EB trimat)=94. =93Nd=EBrtesa nuk ka kooperuar: Nuk b=EBn t=EB p=EBrdore=
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=EBzit nd=EBrtojn=EB k=EBso nd=EBrtesa n=EB t=EBr=EB Kosov=EBn=94. Shefi i =
zjarrfik=EBsve t=EB UNMIKut, si shkaqe p=EBr pamund=EBsin=EB e kontrollimit=
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=EB shumta, por para s=EB gjithash ishin mungesa e pajisjeve p=EBr zjarrfik=
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=EB zjarrfik=EBsit e UNMIKut nuk e kan=EB l=EBn=EB t=EB afrohet. =93Ata nuk=
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t=EBr=EB problemi q=EBndron se zjarrfik=EBsit nuk munden t=EB hyjn=EB n=EB =
katet tjera t=EB nd=EBrtes=EBs se kulmi i nd=EBrtes=EBs =EBsht=EB duke r=
=EBn=EB posht=EB=94, tha Roger Eriksson, shefi i grupit t=EB zjarrfik=EBsve=
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zyrtar=EBve t=EB UNMIKut shumica e shitoreve dhe pjesa ku gjendet zyra p=
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=EB labirint Nd=EBrtesa e Qendr=EBs s=EB Rinis=EB dhe t=EB Sporteve, n=EB b=
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From dkryeziu at vnet.net  Mon Feb 28 18:41:31 2000
From: dkryeziu at vnet.net (drin kryeziu)
Date: Mon Feb 28 18:41:31 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
References: <Pine.GSO.4.05.10002281038590.19751-100000@sanman.ny.ans.net>
Message-ID: <38BB096E.DC07FC78@vnet.net>

Kush o ky far Hansi he non?n ja ...

Sander Sinishtaj wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>
> Tung,
>
> sa i perket ketij Francit, nuk e di se pse i pergjigjemi fare.  Mendjen me
> ja ndrru nuk mujme, po edhe nese mundemi, shihet se qellimi i tij nuk
> eshte i tille.   Fillimisht edhe une i pergjigjesha me komente te tilla,
> por dukej se ishte e kote si per te ashtu edhe per mua.  Ne kete rast
> besoj se mos-reagimi ndaj komenteve te tij do te ishte komenti me i mire.
> Natyrisht, ky eshte vetem mendimi im :)
>
> Pershendetje!
>
> - Sander
>
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2000, marta gazideda wrote:
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> >
> > Keto jane komentet e fundit qe i morra prej Francit, tjerat, fatkeqesisht i
> > kam fshire.
> >
> >
> > "I sent you the reaction from Alice Mead, also a writer about the
> > Kosovo-issue on my statement.
> > Noel Malcolm is already disguished as only speaking pro-albanian so I would
> > like to stay far away from him. In holland on the other hand there is much
> > objective news from
> > both sides and it seems that more and more the world start to open their
> > eyes (not only me) and see how dangerous albanians are going on with the
> > situation there is now
> > in Kosovo. Soon you will need to start war against KFOR otherwise you are
> > like we sya: from the rain into the dripping. (meaning, from bad into worse.
> > Since the american
> > soldiers will certainly not stop raping little girls but soon start their
> > own prostitutes etc ewtc like they had in Vietnam. You will in a few years
> > see that you threw away bad
> > things but took in your province the devil!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Alice Mead
> > To: frans hartman
> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 3:03 PM
> > Subject: Re: time
> >
> > Dear Frans
> > Of course Kosova should be multi-ethnic. But at the moment, it is barely
> > controlled chaos, mixed with war-trauma, rock-bottom poverty and complete
> > joblessness.
> > The ten years of apartheid rule destroyed the institutions and
> > infrastructure of Kosova in an unusual way. All "normal" institutions are
> > missing...esp. police and courts
> > and prisons. There are 100,000 Serbs who now live in fear in Kosova. What
> > must be established first is lawfulness--on both sides of the border-- and
> > that will take
> > time. How long I don't know. I wish I did! My own view is that just to
> > recreate the minimum of law and order in Kosova will take five years. In
> > that period, I urge
> > Serbs to provide whatever safety for themselves they can, with the help of
> > KFOR. They are a minority now living in a lawless situation. I am sorry it's
> > like this, but the
> > reality is that with no police or courts...even in a lawful  country like
> > mine, shootings can proliferate quickly and no one here has been through a
> > war. After five years,
> > tolerance and lawfulness taught all the time in schools as it is in the US
> > (and we still have ethnic problems here)..then the Albanians must maintain
> > full responsibility for
> > lawful conduct towards others--and themselves! Failure to do so should
> > result in immediate consequences.
> > sorry I don't have an answer that will solve this in the next few months..I
> > am afraid that Kosova will be pulled in many directions for a long time to
> > come.
> > thanks for writing.
> > alice
> >
> > ----------
> > From: "frans hartman" <frans.hartman at worldonline.nl>
> > To: <amead at maine.rr.com>
> > Subject: time
> > Date: Sat, Feb 19, 2000, 8:41 AM
> >
> >
> >      dear madam,
> >      Time to stand up after all these years fighting for the rights of the
> > minority in Yugoslavia Now other people are expelled from their homes.,
> > murdered, raped by
> >      Kosovars. Twohundred-thousand Serbs had to leave their houses under the
> > pressure of being murdered by Kosovars. Your writing of books how bad the
> >      Kosovars were threated is now done the same but only against the
> > Serbs/Gypsies/Bosnians/Jews. Like the Albanians just planned to have their
> > ethnically
> >      clean country.
> >      You write about a multi-cultural society.
> >      But can you answer this question:
> >      When Milosevic had power over Kosovo there WAS an multi-cultural
> > society. Serbs, Turks. Serbian spaking muslims, Albanians, Bosnians, Jews,
> > Roma and
> >      Sinti. Now there are almost alone living Albanians. So who is to blame
> > for ethnical cleansing of that region?
> >
> >      regards,
> >
> >
> >      Frans Hartman
> >      Amsterdam
> >      former UN-observer on the Balkan
> >
> >
> > >From: Shemsi Hima <shhima at yahoo.com>
> > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com, albert_hyseni at hotmail.com,
> > >frans.hartman at worldonline.nl
> > >CC: albanian_uk at listbot.com, ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU,
> > >prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: snipers
> > >Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 12:11:25 -0800 (PST)
> > >
> > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > >
> > >Kyo chi ascht schkrue ma posht dooket me tschene nyi
> > >perjije shpeyt e schkrooeme prey arsenalit tchi
> > >shumitsa e neve schiptarve e kena te pregatitun ne
> > >advans (resultat ky i edukimit tone patriotic ne
> > >schola komuniste) kur vyen poona te tschashtye sich
> > >ascht ayo e pheve te na. per correctesi politique
> > >kisha pase tcheph me e ledzue se tchka thote ay far
> > >Hartmani. Nese dicush e ka
> > >yu lutem me ma tschue ne e-mail adresen time.
> > >  falemnderit
> > >euroschema:)
> > >
> > >--- marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > > >         Archives:
> > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > > >
> > > > I am joining this "debate" somewhat late maybe,
> > > > even, too late. I wonder Mr
> > > > Hartman when were you in Kosove, in Rahovec? In what
> > > > capacity? For your
> > > > comments seem very unbalanced, biased and unhuman.
> > > >
> > > > Post-war trauma is evident throughout Kosove and
> > > > there will be Albanians'
> > > > who will react violently due to the fact that their
> > > > whole families were
> > > > killed, massacred, executed and raped! By no account
> > > > is this occurrence
> > > > calculated,organised or orchestrated - it is people
> > > > reacting to century long
> > > > repression in the hands of Serbia.
> > > >
> > > > As for the rape of Serbs - I doubt that any Albanian
> > > > would sully their hands
> > > > and honour in committing such acts and actually
> > > > touching a Serb!
> > > >
> > > > There never were nor will there ever be islamic
> > > > terrorists in Kosove. You
> > > > seem to confuse the concept of nationality and
> > > > religion. By nationality all
> > > > of us are Albanians, by religion we can be of Muslim
> > > > faith, Roman Catholic
> > > > and Orthodox. Guess which one I am???  Religion was
> > > > never a problem amongst
> > > > ourselves - we are Albanians and that it all that
> > > > matters!
> > > >
> > > > It is the uninformed and ignorant people who, even
> > > > after the war in Bosnia
> > > > and Kosove, maintain that the war in the Balkans
> > > > began for religious
> > > > reasons. The only reason why the Balkans is going up
> > > > in flames is because
> > > > Serbia was facing economic ruin and the attention
> > > > had to be diverted
> > > > somewhere else - in 1992 it was Bosnia and in 1998
> > > > Kosova.
> > > >
> > > > There is so much more I can tell you about however
> > > > it is best if you get
> > > > hold of Noel Malcolm's book on Kosova and read it
> > > > for yourself.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yours sincerely
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marta K. Gazideda
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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From burimh at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 28 18:56:13 2000
From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana)
Date: Mon Feb 28 18:56:13 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
Message-ID: <20000228235537.72291.qmail@hotmail.com>

Jo de! E ti po thu duhet kadal-dale me ia nise me shti fjale gege ne 
fjalor...
mas 50 vjetve a  :)  ?

Ejvalla
rrnofte Parga!



>From: drin kryeziu <dkryeziu at vnet.net>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
>Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:56:44 -0500
>
>Burim a mos ki ni qe o dal naj fjalor ma i ri??
>
>Burim Hana wrote:
>
> >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> >
> > O Drin o shoku i jem i 'detit'!
> >
> > Fjalorin e 1980-shit je tu e perdore(t'para demonstratave a)?
> > Po, per kto 20 vjet fjala livron 500 here ka ndrru...
> > Mos i kallxo amerikanve :)
> >
> > Shoku jot Burimi
> >
> > >From: drin kryeziu <dkryeziu at vnet.net>
> > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Me livrue pare?
> > >Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:32:54 -0500
> > >
> > >LAV/?R,~RA f. sh. ~RA, ~RAT.
> > >1. Punimi q? i b?het ar?s p?r ta mbjell?, l?vrimi i tok?s. Lavra e par? 
>(e
> > >dyt?, e tret?). Kau
> > >i lavr?s, I dha lav?r ar?s e punoi p?r ta mbjell?.
> > >2. Tok? zakonisht e rrafsh?t, q? punohet si ar?; tok? e punuar 
>zakonisht me
> > >parmend?. Lavra do
> > >shi. e b?ri livadhin lav?r.
> > >3. Cop? toke sa mund ta punoj? nj? pend? qe brenda nj? dite. Nj? lav?r
> > >tok?. Sa lavra b?ri?
> > >4. Koha prej nj? viti, q? merret si mas? p?r t? dh?n? mosh?n qeve (q? 
>kur
> > >kan? filluar t?
> > >l?rojn?). Ka dy lavrash. Sa lavrash jan? qet??
> > >* E b?ri lav?r d i ? k a e prishi di?ka, e p?rmbysi dhe e b?ri rr?muj?.
> > >
> > >(NGA FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 956
> > >1980, Tiran?
> > >
> > >LIV/ROJ kal., ~OVA, ~UAR treg. I jap dikuj nj? mall, q? ?sht? porositur 
>a
> > >paguar m? par? ose
> > >sipas nj? marr?veshjeje t? caktuar. Livroj mallin (drithin, pajisjet).
> > >
> > >FJALORI I GJUH?S S? SOTME SHQIPE, faqe. 1008
> > >1980, Tiran?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Dardan Blaku wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >              --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum ---
> > > > >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Sa po e shoh une, termin "livron" e kane perkthy prej anglishtes
> > >"livery" qe do te thote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the act of delivering legal possession of property
> > > > >
> > > > > Me livrue nuk eshte e njejte si me lavrue. =)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tung
> > > > > Dardani
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> > > > > From: "Arianit Celaj" <arianit at nortelnetworks.com>
> > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:24:19 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > >Marre nga:
> > > > > >Qendra p?r Informim e Kososv?s
> > > > > >Informatori ditor nr.2545
> > > > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt 2000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >SHBA-t? do t? livrojn? n? vitin e ardhsh?m 175 milion? dollar? 
>p?r
> > > > > >rind?rtimin e Kosov?s
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Prishtin?, 9 shkurt (QIK) - Presidenti i Shteteve t? Bashkuara t?
> > >Amerik?s,
> > > > > >Bill Klinton, ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     Qy Imperialistat nihere, n'vend se me i qu keto pare 
>n'Kosove
> > >kta i
> > > > > >livrojne. S'di si i nihmojne Kosoves tuj livru pare. Conu burra 
>mos
> > >lini, e
> > > > > >t'livrojna pare t'i nihmojna Kosoves.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Tue Feb 29 20:00:56 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Tue Feb 29 20:00:56 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Kosova dhe Rambouillet
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0002291955380.5296-100000@alb-net.com>

Tungi,

sonte eshte pjesa e dyte e shout War in Europe ne kanalin e 13-te PBS, ne
ora 10pm.  

Pjesa e pare ka qene mjafte interesant, po nje gje qe ishte qesharake
ishte kur Dukagjin Gorani (me duket se eshte gazetar i Kohes
Ditore) pershkruan se si ne keshtjellen e Rambujes kur ka ardhe sekretarja
e shtetit M. Albright me i vizitu shqiptaret, njeri i ka thene "prit edhe
5 minuta se jemi te zene" duke menduar se ajo ishte nje pastruese.  

Nejse, keto gjera ndodhin, njerezit nuk kane pase TV ta shohin fytyren e
sekretares, po mua mu duk pak palidhje pse e tha Dukagjini kete gje ne
kete film dokumentar i cili e ka audiencen aq te madhe.  Me kete dalin se
shipqtaret jane aq injorante dhe te painformuar sa qe nuk e dine se si
duket M. Albright...

Te fala,

Etriti.