From etrit at alb-net.com Sun Apr 2 13:36:34 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sun Apr 2 13:36:34 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rugova apo Thaci (fwd) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:28:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?B=20B?= To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Popullariteti te ne shqiptaret eshte cudi nuk vlersohet nga puna por nga paragjykimet dhe inati. Rugova sipas mendimit tim eshte turpi i neve kosovareve, pore kjo nuk do te thote se Thaci eshte i persosur. BB From mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch Sun Apr 2 17:50:50 2000 From: mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch (Mentor Latifi) Date: Sun Apr 2 17:50:50 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rugova apo Thaci Message-ID: <38E7C0A7.C90DAC62@stud.unibas.ch> per gjermanofolesit ne mesin e kesaj liste (edhe pse ndoshta si pershtatet bash krejt temes qe u nis): Freiheit, die ich meine Kein Gott, kein Kaiser und kein Tribun kann uns Freiheit einfach schenken und sagen: "Nehmt und seid gut zu ihr!" Aus jeder Freiheit wenn wir sie nur empfangen wie Kinder Geschenke kann wieder Unfreheit werden Denn Freiheit ist nur die Freiheit leichter und besser k?mpfen zu k?nnen gegen die Unfreiheiten die herrschen wollen ?ber uns und in uns selbst. Der Kampf gegen sie f?ngt erst an mit jeder Befreiung (Erich Fried) me t'mira, mentori p.s. kush ka kohe munet edhe me perkthye kete poezi. zotniut fried, n'varrin e tij, me siguri se mire do t'i vjen. From juniku at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 03:28:08 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Mon Apr 3 03:28:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rugova apo Thaci Message-ID: <20000403072801.39382.qmail@hotmail.com> Ky eshte nje perkthim i castit per kete vjershe te mrekullueshme. Uk Lushi > >Freiheit, die ich meine Liria vertete e vertete > >Kein Gott, kein Kaiser S' ka Zot, s' ka perandor >und kein Tribun kann uns Freiheit dhe s'ka tribun qe mund t' na dhuroje lirine >einfach schenken und sagen: duke na thene: >"Nehmt und seid gut zu ihr!" Ja merreni dhe jini te mire me te! > >Aus jeder Freiheit Nga cdo liri >wenn wir sie nur empfangen nese ate vetem e pranojme pa bere gje >wie Kinder Geschenke si femijet dhuratat >kann wieder Unfreheit werden vetem mosliria do te linde > >Denn Freiheit ist nur die Freiheit Sepse liria eshte liri >leichter und besser te mund te luftosh >k?mpfen zu k?nnen me lehte dhe me mire >gegen die Unfreiheiten kunder moslirive > >die herrschen wollen qe deshirojne te mbizoterojne >?ber uns und in uns selbst. mbi krenat tona dhe ne ne >Der Kampf gegen sie f?ngt erst an Lufta kunder moslirise >mit jeder Befreiung fillon tek pas cdo clirimi > > (Erich Fried) > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Mon Apr 3 06:51:53 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Mon Apr 3 06:51:53 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rugova apo Thaci (fwd) Message-ID: <381880855.954759113742.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 18:28:24 +0100 (BST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?B=20B?= >To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > Popullariteti te ne shqiptaret eshte cudi nuk >vlersohet nga puna por nga paragjykimet dhe inati. > Rugova sipas mendimit tim eshte turpi i neve >kosovareve, pore kjo nuk do te thote se Thaci eshte i >persosur. > > BB Pernjimend jemi popull i cuditshem. Asht bile me u habite qi vlen ligji i gravitetit te na, demek qi hecim hala per toke. Kaq e kjarte asht kush asht hajn, kush asht cub, kush asht tradhetar e kush asht marrja e zotit prej elites tone e na jemi aq kishka e s'mujme me kuptue ket pune, po perkundrazi mbajme huj me paragjykime e inat. Athue e njef qeni t'zotin n'toke t'Skenderbegut? bresta ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From arianit at nortelnetworks.com Mon Apr 3 07:31:56 2000 From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj) Date: Mon Apr 3 07:31:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B02991270@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. Arianiti > -----Original Message----- > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 > -0500 > >> > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > Kosovar,dhe > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From burimh at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 10:13:58 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:13:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000403141029.63701.qmail@hotmail.com> Arianit, Mos u nxej bre burre, e di qi s'e ki fort n'qef Ibren, po tash o kry lufta e tash duhet me mbretnu paqja, e aj valla kampion i paqes osht, s'kane faj gjinja qi e dojne... Me votu Thaqin dmth me votu per luften, e aj munet mi shti gjinjen n'lufte vec me KFOR-in tash... Ejvalla, e t'fala tetonve, e sidomos qatyne qi jone n'qat % qi kane votu per 'paqe'...(a e verejtet sa q-eja n'qit fjali, a thu kush e ka qite qit q-ene?) Burim antipaqja >From: "Arianit Celaj" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: "Prishtina-L (E-mail)" >Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:16:26 +0100 > >Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete vec >edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > >Arianiti > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 > > -0500 > > >> > > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum > > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > > Kosovar,dhe > > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From zabeli at gmx.de Mon Apr 3 13:24:02 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Mon Apr 3 13:24:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] "pristina" References: <20000403141029.63701.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <17300.954782640@www9.gmx.net> a mos e dine kush pahiri, se si erdhe qe microsoft-i me ia lane njanit lloj t'shkrimeve t'saj emrin "pristina"? me t'mira, shyqa -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From etrit at alb-net.com Mon Apr 3 23:11:58 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Mon Apr 3 23:11:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Biznisi ne Kosove Message-ID: Prej artikullit ne Finanicial Times: Many are also simultaneously rebuilding burnt-out homes and replanting fields at a rate which has astonished United Nations officials running the province. Lajm i mire... ;-) Violence infiltrates normal business life. Gerard Fischer, a senior UN mission economic official, says: "Extortion is a big problem." Ex-KLA elements may be involved, he says, though not in an organised way. The ICG adds that political rivalries between ex-KLA leaders may be spilling out into economic life, citing the example of a big Pristina shopping mall, controlled by a former KLA commander, that burnt down in mysterious circumstances last month. A ka ndokush me shume informata per kete? Besoj se behet fjale per Boro e Ramizin (kompleksin)... Lexojeni krejt artikullin ne: http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pagename=View&c=Article&cid=FT3B5YWRG6C&live=true&tagid=ZZZAFZAVA0C&subheading=europe From xythshoqi at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 23:55:45 2000 From: xythshoqi at yahoo.com (Xyth Shoqi) Date: Mon Apr 3 23:55:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: .As Rugova as Thaci? Message-ID: <20000404035845.25509.qmail@web3606.mail.yahoo.com> Ma se pari ju pershendes te gjithe juve qe jene ne kete liste ....E tani me keni edhe mu knej pari e mos u quditni kur te piskas kaj her .... --- Arianit Celaj wrote: > Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per > jete. > He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu > n'Angli se, jon mete vec > edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > Arianiti > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular > than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, > schreiben Sie: > > > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; > Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 > > -0500 > > >> > > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka > pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum > > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere > Politikaneve > > Kosovar,dhe > > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com Wed Apr 5 10:27:16 2000 From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (Grajqevci,B,Besnik,NZD3 R) Date: Wed Apr 5 10:27:16 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0E89@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> Tung Une do te jem ne Prishtine prej 13 Prillit e deri me 8 Maj. Nese edhe dikush nga ju do te jete atje ne te njejten kohe mund te takohemi diku. Tung Besniku From sami at prishtina.com Wed Apr 5 12:36:04 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:36:04 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine References: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0E89@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: <008c01c659a5$76b028d0$9900330a@KOHA> Besnik - te presim ketu me Shmoken... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grajqevci,B,Besnik,NZD3 R" To: ; "Albanian_Uk (E-mail)" ; "Albanian Discussion List (E-mail)" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Tung > > Une do te jem ne Prishtine prej 13 Prillit e deri me 8 Maj. > Nese edhe dikush nga ju do te jete atje ne te njejten kohe mund te takohemi > diku. > > Tung > > Besniku > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From xhafer at hotmail.com Wed Apr 5 12:50:09 2000 From: xhafer at hotmail.com (Xhafer Krasniqi) Date: Wed Apr 5 12:50:09 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Shihemi ne Prishtine Message-ID: <20000405162535.13232.qmail@hotmail.com> Besoj se paske mjaft kohe sa per te formuar nje parti politike, e cila do ta pasuronte edhe me shume jeten multi-pluraliste ne Kosove. Kalofsh mire! Xhafa >From: "Grajqevci,B,Besnik,NZD3 R" >To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" , "Albanian_Uk >(E-mail)" , "Albanian Discussion List (E-mail)" > >Subject: Shihemi ne Prishtine >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:16:54 +0100 > >Albanian Community UK > >Tung > >Une do te jem ne Prishtine prej 13 Prillit e deri me 8 Maj. >Nese edhe dikush nga ju do te jete atje ne te njejten kohe mund te takohemi >diku. > >Tung > >Besniku > > >______________________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe, write to albanian_uk-unsubscribe at listbot.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Advertisement: >Workstation with Monitor under $800! >So, you just heard that you need to add how many new workstations by >the end of next week? Check out the bundle below. It includes >everything you need to get everyone up and running quickly. >http://www.listbot.com/links/cdw5 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Zenelito at aol.com Wed Apr 5 15:19:32 2000 From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 5 15:19:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine Message-ID: mos e le pa dal ne Gjilan ! Tung Zeneli From dardan at prishtina.com Wed Apr 5 17:23:25 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Wed Apr 5 17:23:25 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Atlantiku Message-ID: <200004051725.AA30278092@prishtina.com> Ku hynit Ju, hynte Liria e Kosov?s Prishtin?, 5 prill (Kosovapress) - M? rastin e nj?vjetorit t? nisjes s? batalionit "Atlantiku" nga Shtetet e Bashkuara t? Amerik?s, m? 9 prill 1999, n? frontet e luftws s? Ushtris? ?lirimtare t? Kosov?s, PPDK i d?rgoi shoqat?s "Atlantiku" t? SHBA-s? k?t? telegram p?rsh?ndetjeje: Para nj? viti, kur Kosova ishte n? tymin e flak?n e luft?s, Ju ushtar?t e batalionit "Atlantiku", me vendosm?rin? patriotike dhe guximin e madh qytetar, iu p?rgjigjet z?rit t? koh?s "Atdheu n? rrezik, Vendlindja th?rret", p?r t? d?shmuar edhe nj? her? nd?rgjegjen e lart? atdhetare t? bashkatdhetar?ve tan? edhe n? Atdheun e madh t? idealeve t? liris? dhe tw demokracis?. Kur Atdheu kishte nevoj? p?r djal?rin?, djers?n dhe gjakun tuaj, Kontinenti i Ri nuk ishte larg q? Ju ta merrnit udh?n drejt Kosov?s, e cila po vendoste p?rfundimisht fatin historik dhe kishte hyr? n? udhwn e luft?s ?lirimtare. Me krism?n e pushk?s ?lirimtare po p?rmbysej rob?ria shekullore serbe; me gjakun e djemve m? t? mir? po shkruheshin faqet m? t? ndritshme t? historis? son? moderne; me pranin? Tuaj po verifikoheshin vargjet e Nolit "Mbahu n?no mos ke frik?, se ke djemt? n? Amerik?". Dhe, Ju v?rtet ishit dhe do t? jeni kudo, ku ka dhembje Atdheu. Ju dhe prind?rit Tuaj kishit b?r? shum? p?r nd?rkomb?tarizimin e ??shtjes s? Kosov?s. Derisa Ju kishit marr? rrug?n drejt Kosov?s, prind?rit tuaj b?nin gjith?ka p?r afirmimin e ??shtjes son? dhe nuk kursenin asgj? materiale p?r forcimin politik dhe ushtarak t? U?K-s?. N? betejat e thyrjes s? kufirit shqiptaro-shqiptar, n? realizimin e e operacionit "Shigjeta" n? Pashtrik, n? betejat e Koshares dhe n? ?do p?ll?mb? tjet?r t? tok?s shqiptare, e cila k?rkonte ?lirimin nj? or? e m? par?, ishit Ju, djemt? e edukuar dhe formuar n? gjirin e shoq?ris? amerikane, q? p?r Lirin? e Atdheut lat? m?njan? t?r? lukset dhe komoditetet e mundshe. Ishte k?mba Juaj ajo q? s? pari shkelte tok?n e ?liruar t? Kosov?s. Ku hynit Ju, hynte Liria e Kosov?s. Vendosm?ria Juaj, shpirti i sakrific?s, ndjenja e lart? atdhetare, edhe nj? her? na obligon q? bashk?risht ta ?ojm? deri n? fund misionin p?r demokratizimin dhe pavar?sin? e Kosov?s si nj? kryeideal t? brezave t? t?r? q? dhan? gjith?ka p?r Atdheun. Sot, kur Ju sh?noni nj?vjetorin e nisjes n? luft? n? radh?t e U?K-s?, shprehim respektin dhe krenarin? p?r kontributin Tuaj t? ?muar. Kemi bindjen se n? kushtet e reja do t? b?ni gjith?ka p?r p?rparimin dhe forcimin e atdheut ton?, Kosov?s, dhe idealit ton?, shqiptaris? From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com Thu Apr 6 05:02:59 2000 From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 05:02:59 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0E94@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> More besa jo veq Gjilan, po edhe Peje, Gjakove, Prizren edhe ne gjysen e Mitrovices. Besniku -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Zenelito at aol.com [mailto:Zenelito at aol.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:16 PM -> To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com -> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Shihemi ne Prishtine -> -> -> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- -> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l -> -> mos e le pa dal ne Gjilan ! -> Tung Zeneli -> -> _____________________________________________________ -> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com -> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l -> From bresta at email.com Thu Apr 6 10:31:32 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 6 10:31:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Mahmuti, Haradinaj & co Message-ID: <385884695.955031433595.JavaMail.root@web07.pub01> Tung, A din kush gjasend ma shum ne ket teme: Cfare problemesh kane Mahmuti e Haradinaj? bresta PRISTINA, Yugoslavia, April 6 (AFP) - The vice president of former Kosovo rebel leader Hashim Thaci's party told AFP Thursday he had resigned but gave no reason for the move. Bardhyl Mahmuti, the number two of the Party for Democratic Progress in Kosovo (PPDK), said he handed in his notice on Tuesday. "I do not agree with what is happening here," said Mahmuti, without going into the causes for his dissatisfaction. He did not disclose his plans for the future. Jakup Krasniqi, PPDK Secretary General, said the party had not accepted Mahmuti's resignation, adding that he had given no reason for his departure. "We think his place is here," said Krasniqi, but said Mahmuti was "free to decide his own future." With Kosovo's first post-war elections scheduled for October, a number of new political parties are being formed in the UN-administered Yugoslav province. The second-in-command of the Kosovo Protection Corps (KPC), civilian successor of the rebel ethnic Albanian Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) recently said he would quit the disaster relief group to found his own political movement. Mahmuti, born in 1960 in Macedonia, was a leader of the People's Movement of Kosovo (LPK), one of the parties behind the KLA. He was the KLA's political representative in Switzerland and, according to Krasniqi, one of the rebels' most valued spokesmen abroad. After NATO troops ousted Yugoslav forces from Kosovo last June, Mahmuti and Krasniqi formed the Unified Democratic Party (PBD) which merged with Thaci's PPDK, founded last November. ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com Thu Apr 6 10:47:13 2000 From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 10:47:13 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Shihemi ne Prishtine Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0E96@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk> More kohe mjaft me e formu, por jo edhe me ba fushate elektorale. Por si duket ne Kosove kjo qeshtje nuk eshte problem. Nese je kurreshtar me e dite emrin e partise ja ku e ke "Partia e dashamireve te demokracise". Besniku -> -----Original Message----- -> From: Xhafer Krasniqi [mailto:xhafer at hotmail.com] -> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:26 PM -> To: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com; prishtina-l at alb-net.com; -> albanian_uk at listbot.com; albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu -> Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Shihemi ne Prishtine -> -> -> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- -> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l -> -> Besoj se paske mjaft kohe sa per te formuar nje parti -> politike, e cila do ta -> pasuronte edhe me shume jeten multi-pluraliste ne Kosove. -> Kalofsh mire! -> -> Xhafa -> -> >From: "Grajqevci,B,Besnik,NZD3 R" -> >To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" , -> "Albanian_Uk -> >(E-mail)" , "Albanian -> Discussion List (E-mail)" -> > -> >Subject: Shihemi ne Prishtine -> >Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:16:54 +0100 -> > -> >Albanian Community UK -> > -> >Tung -> > -> >Une do te jem ne Prishtine prej 13 Prillit e deri me 8 Maj. -> >Nese edhe dikush nga ju do te jete atje ne te njejten kohe -> mund te takohemi -> >diku. -> > -> >Tung -> > -> >Besniku -> > -> > -> >____________________________________________________________ -> __________ -> >To unsubscribe, write to albanian_uk-unsubscribe at listbot.com -> >------------------------------------------------------------ -> ---------- -> >Advertisement: -> >Workstation with Monitor under $800! -> >So, you just heard that you need to add how many new workstations by -> >the end of next week? Check out the bundle below. It includes -> >everything you need to get everyone up and running quickly. -> >http://www.listbot.com/links/cdw5 -> -> ______________________________________________________ -> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -> -> -> -> _____________________________________________________ -> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com -> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l -> From faik_gashi at hotmail.com Thu Apr 6 13:53:23 2000 From: faik_gashi at hotmail.com (Faik Gashi) Date: Thu Apr 6 13:53:23 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? References: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B02991270@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com> Message-ID: <20000406175315.57848.qmail@hotmail.com> RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... po me duket se e ke nje problem! ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar ... From: Arianit Celaj To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. Arianiti -----Original Message----- From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 -0500 >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve Kosovar,dhe ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. 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Arianiti -----Original Message----- From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 -0500 >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve Kosovar,dhe ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. 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References: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B02991270@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com> <20000406175319.22635.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <001701c65a7b$ad104640$9900330a@KOHA> RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?Arianit, isha ardhe po vec per pushime se per ksi sene tjera s'kam kohe =) vete Faikun nashta vjen ai ----- Original Message ----- From: Faik Gashi To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? ----- Original Message ----- From: Arianit Celaj To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. Arianiti -----Original Message----- From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 01:49:37 -0500 >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma shum popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve Kosovar,dhe ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. Ju pershendet Zeneli _______________________________________________________ Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch Thu Apr 6 14:10:07 2000 From: mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch (Mentor Latifi) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:10:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] bundestagu gjerman Message-ID: <38ECD2DD.D6B92332@stud.unibas.ch> e marre pa leje prej kosovapress-it: gjynah qi s'ashte kane kosovapressi para 10 vjete e me na pa diftue udhen e drejte e me shkue e me liftue bashkimin e allamanit, se po n'rrezik qenka kane bota...! Debat i ashp?r n? Bundestagun gjerman p?r ??shtjen e Kosov?s Prishtin?, 6 prill (Kosovapress) - Sipas radios gjermane Deutsche Welle, n? Bundestagun gjerman u zhvillua debat i ashp?r nd?rmjet pozit?s dhe opozit?s gjermane p?r ??shtjen e Kosov?s dhe p?r t? ardhmen politike t? saj. N? thelb, t? dy pal?t kan? pik?pamje t? papranueshme p?r popullin e Kosov?s dhe t? rrezikshme p?r paqen dhe stabilitetin n? Ballkan. Nj?ra pal? k?rkon q? Kosova t? mbetet pjes? e "Jugosllavis?" kriminale t? Miloshevi?it, nd?rsa pala tjet?r k?rkon q? Kosova t? ndahet nd?rmjet serb?ve dhe shqiptar?ve. Dhe kush i shtron k?to pik?pamje? T? zgjedhurit e atij populli q? ishte aktori kryesor i dy luft?rave bot?rore dhe ishte i gatsh?m t? b?nte edhe luft?n e tret? p?r ribashkimin e tij. [...] From etrit at alb-net.com Thu Apr 6 23:37:36 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Thu Apr 6 23:37:36 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Gazeta Kulturserver Kosova - Nr. 26 Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:48:42 +0200 From: Beqe Mulliqi - Para sa dit?sh Teatri i Qytetit t? Gjilanit shfaqi premier?n "Gjenerali i ushtris? s? vdekur" sipas romanit t? Ismail Kadares? n? regjin? e Milto Kutalit nga Shqip?ria. Skenografin? dhe kostumografin? i ka b?r? Agim Zajmi. N? k?t? premier? regjisori ?sht? perpjekur t? krijoj nj? ngjajshm?ri n? mes t? asaj q? kishte ndodhur para 50 vjet?sh dhe asaj q? ndodhi vitin e kaluar n? Kosov?. Gjenerali k?rkon eshtrat n? tok?n e Kosov?s, n? t? cil?n ka shum? ?shtra, shum? skelete, nd?rsa ngjarja p?rtej sken?s paralajm?ron nj? dit? dhe t? ardhme t? re. Rolet i luajt?n artist?t m? t? njohur si: Enver Petrovci, Muharrem Sulejmani, Ali Demi, Emine Toska, Bukurie Kqiku, Mejreme Berisha, Jehona Shahiqi, Ramadan Kurti etj. - Me ftes?n e Teatrit Popullor t? Gjakov?s, aktor?t e teatrit "Bylis" t? Fierit iu prezentuan publikut t? Gjakov?s me dram?n "PSE" t? Sterjo Spas?s n? regjin? e Serafin Franko. Shfaqja ?sht? dramatizimi i romanit homonim i shkrimtarit t? njohur Sterjo Spase. Rolet i luajt?n: Driton Boriqi, Hajrie Prifti, Agim Agolli, Klojdi Marku, Fatmir Xhelili, Anilda Mu?aj. - N? Galerin? e Arteve t? Kosov?s (GAK) me 30 mars 2000 u hap Bienali i XI i vizatimit. Me k?t? rast u ekspozuan rreth 50 punime t? 48 autorve. Ekspozit?n e organizuan shoqatat e artist?ve figurativ dhe aplikativ t? Kosov?s dhe GAK, nd?rsa me mjete financiare e ndihmoj fondacionin Soros. - N? Prishtin? n? kafe galerin? "A" ?sht? vendosur ekspozita e p?rhershme e piktorit ton? bashkkohor Aziz Nimanit "Jeta ?sht? piktur?" p?r t? cil?n autori mori ?mimin "Arti dhe e v?rteta" n? sallonin e dimrit n? Lyon. Punimet e k?tij autori qendrojn? n? disa qendra t? kultur?s dhe artit si n?: Paris 60, SHBA 40, Suedi 40, t? cilat ekspozohen koh? pas kohe. Pikturat e tij jan? shprehje impresioniste dhe ekspresioniste q? anojn? drejt kubizmit analitik. Ka mbajt 13 ekspozita personale n?p?r bot? dhe n? vend: Franc?, Suedi, SHBA, Indonezi, Pej?, Beograd, Dubrovnik, Ljubljan? etj dhe 14 ekspozita kolektive. - Numri i fundit i revist?s letrare "jeta e re" nr. 1/2000 tematikisht i kushtohet poetit ton? t? njohur Din Mehmeti. Revista prezenton m? se 30 shkrime kritike t? cilat studijojn? dhe analizojn? kodin e vler?s poetike dhe dimenzionin e ve?ant t? univerzal?s n? poezin? e poetit. Me q?llim t? ilustrimit t? veprave t? poetit, jan? botuar edhe disa poezi t? tij. Din Mehmeti ka botuar m? se 15 vepra letrare n? periudh?n 1961-1999. - "Radio Peja" rifilloj pun?n me 25 mars 2000 N? ceremonin? e rifillimit n? mes tjerash ishin t? pranish?m edhe Alen Le Roy administrator i rajonit t? Pej?s dhe Hoze Manuel Surce kryetar i k?shillit komunal dhe perfaq?sues t? partive politike. Rifillimin e pun?s Radio Pej?s e ndihmoj agjensia amerikane USAID/OTI, e cila siguroj teknik?n bashkkohore p?r dy studio dhe transmetues n? FM. Alain Le Roy me k?t? rast deklaroj se kjo do t? jet? n? funksion t? informimit t? drejt? opinionit dhe zhvillimit t? toleranc?s nd?retnike t? komuniteve q? jetojn? n? k?t? rajon. Radio Peja do t? transmeton program 24 or?sh n? val?t FM 93.20. - N? tetor t? k?tij viti n? Prishtin? pritet t? organizohet festival nd?rkomb?tar i filmit "Prishtina 2000". ?sht? dor?zuar projektbuxheti i festivalit dhe pritet q? ky projekt t? financohet nga organizatat e huaja q? punojn? n? Kosov? si: OSBE, UNHCR dhe UNMIK. Organizator?t e festivalit kan? kontaktuar edhe me "British Council" t? cil?t kan? premtuar se do ta ndihmojn? mbajtjen e festivalit. N? festival pritet t? marrin pjes? edhe regjisori i njohur i Hollywood-it Oliver Stone. Nd?rsa n? muajin prill p?rfaq?suesit e kinematografis? t? Kosov?s, Maqedonis? dhe Malit t? Zi t? prezentohen n? edicionin e 11 t? festivalit t? kinematografis? shqiptare. - N? Istog doli numri i ri i revist?s "Gurrat e Bardha". N? k?t? dynum?rsh revista sjell material interesant nga kultura, arsimi, ekonomia, ekologjije etj. Vend t? posa??m iu ?sht? dh?n? krijimeve t? ndryshme t? f?mij?ve t? shkollave fillore dhe t? mesme. - Nga 27 mars 2000 ka fillua transmetimi i radios s? re "Urban FM n? val?n 93.3. N? fillim kjo radio alternative do t? ket? program 2 or?sh, kryesisht p?r t? rinj. Radioja do t? mund d?gjohe n? rajonin e Prishtin?s. P?r gazet?n e Kulturserver Kosova raporton Beq? Mulliqi nga Prishtina ****************************************************** * the online-community for art+culture http://www.kulturserver.de * ****************************************************** From aqeli1 at uic.edu Fri Apr 7 00:37:24 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Fri Apr 7 00:37:24 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] national geographic, february issue; Message-ID: para nja dy javesh ne kete liste po diskutohej per nje artikull te botuar ne revisten "National Geographic", ne numrin e shkurtit; nqs nuk e keni lexuar ate artikull ende, dhe nqs keni kuriozitet, mund ta lexoni ne kete adrese: http://www.argjiro.net/natgeo/nat_geo.htm albi From arianit at nortelnetworks.com Fri Apr 7 04:59:13 2000 From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj) Date: Fri Apr 7 04:59:13 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B029912B6@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com> Nuk eshte e vertete fare, Ne nje interviste te cilen ia dha BBC-se me 6.6.66, seksionit ne gjuhen Danimarkezishte, "dreqi i mallkuar" tha (po citoj): "Kemi nevoje te madhe per tipat si Arianiti". Tipi si une Arianiti P.S. Ku e ki dite cka kom "me ceku ma larte", pashe nderen? > -----Original Message----- > From: Faik Gashi [SMTP:faik_gashi at hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:26 PM > To: prishtina-l > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > zotri , celaj..... > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi > e qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure > barkun me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > ... > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 08:25:52 2000 From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni) Date: Fri Apr 7 08:25:52 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000407122545.56603.qmail@hotmail.com> Arianit, Nuk e kam dit? q? pe hajshe buk?n me birr? e me t'bardh?. Tung, Alberti >From: "Arianit Celaj" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: "'prishtina-l at alb-net.com'" >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:54:44 +0100 > >Nuk eshte e vertete fare, >Ne nje interviste te cilen ia dha BBC-se me 6.6.66, seksionit ne gjuhen >Danimarkezishte, "dreqi i mallkuar" tha (po citoj): "Kemi nevoje te madhe >per tipat si Arianiti". >Tipi si une >Arianiti >P.S. Ku e ki dite cka kom "me ceku ma larte", pashe nderen? > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Faik Gashi [SMTP:faik_gashi at hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 6:26 PM > > To: prishtina-l > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > zotri , celaj..... > > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi > > e qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure > > barkun me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > ... > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Fri Apr 7 08:59:01 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 7 08:59:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <381534426.955112339758.JavaMail.root@web12.mail.com> Arianit, po m'doket do me m'u mushe menja mue me ardhe n'Angli. Kqyr allahile a jane sagllame qato kater pese vene qi i fole. bresta Samia shkruejti: Arianit, isha ardhe po vec per = pushime se per ksi sene tjera s'kam kohe =3D) vete Faikun nashta vjen ai=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Faik Gashi=20 To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com=20 Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Arianit Celaj=20 To: Prishtina-L (E-mail)=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon = mete vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta.=20 Arianiti=20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM=20 To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com=20 Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci?=20 --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---=20 Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e=20 In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie:=20 << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 = 01:49:37 -0500=20 >>=20 Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma = shum=20 popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve = Kosovar,dhe=20 ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves.=20 Ju pershendet Zeneli=20 ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From arianit at nortelnetworks.com Fri Apr 7 10:01:35 2000 From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj) Date: Fri Apr 7 10:01:35 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <33E324D95F44D311AA3E00204840075B029912BE@zhard00e.europe.nortel.com> Byrani burra, E mire se vini, te tane, me cka na ka qillue: buke, birre e "te bardhe", se LMS Mretnesha Elizabeta e ka zemren e gjane vec, o pak rraciste e nuk ka "te zeze". Plus, Besniku po shkon n'Prishtine e, po leshohet nji vend. Hajt e mire se na vini Arianiti > -----Original Message----- > From: Shkumbin Brestovci [SMTP:bresta at email.com] > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 1:59 PM > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Arianit, > > po m'doket do me m'u mushe menja mue me ardhe n'Angli. Kqyr allahile a > jane sagllame qato kater pese vene qi i fole. > > bresta > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From burimh at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 10:49:38 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Fri Apr 7 10:49:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000407144912.6452.qmail@hotmail.com> Valla Faik me Ty jom, Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) Me rrespekt te vecante Burimi >From: "Faik Gashi" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > >RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > ... > From: Arianit Celaj > To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > Arianiti > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >01:49:37 -0500 > >> > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >shum > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >Kosovar,dhe > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From samik at kohaditore.com Fri Apr 7 12:28:14 2000 From: samik at kohaditore.com (samik) Date: Fri Apr 7 12:28:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? References: <20000407144912.6452.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <007401c65b36$9b959170$9900330a@KOHA> shoku Burim eshte ne rregull te polemizohet (per cfaredo qofte teme) po nuk eshte ne rregull te jepen keso klasifikime per njerez te cilet ti ndoshta edhe nuk i njeh fare, e sidomos kesi sharjesh qe u dihet fjalori prandaj prej teje kerkohet qe ato fyerje pasi vec i ke bere ti argumentosh nje nga nje edhe ngadale, ne te kunderten do te denohesh ti se Arianiti jo se jo me te mira Samiu p.s. ooooo sa here me ju thane bre "free your mind" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi > vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > Me rrespekt te vecante > Burimi > > > >From: "Faik Gashi" > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > > > >RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e > >qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun > >me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > ... > > From: Arianit Celaj > > To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > > > Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > > He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete > >vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > > > Arianiti > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > >01:49:37 -0500 > > >> > > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > >shum > > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > >Kosovar,dhe > > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From ramis39 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 7 16:15:56 2000 From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:15:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000407201549.64089.qmail@hotmail.com> Burim, Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. Selam, Ramizi >From: "Burim Hana" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > >Me rrespekt te vecante >Burimi > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >> >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >> ... >> From: Arianit Celaj >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. >> >> Arianiti >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >> >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >>01:49:37 -0500 >> >> >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >>shum >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >>Kosovar,dhe >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. >> Ju pershendet Zeneli >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Fri Apr 7 21:05:09 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 7 21:05:09 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <383308540.955155908231.JavaMail.root@web09.pub01> Burim, ti po shihet qi prishtinali be djale edhe etiketimet s'po din me i perdore qysh duhet. Kshtu as Qorr Iljazi s'kish dijte me angllashtise muhabetin. Ty a po t'doket qi je n'Boom a n'koncert t'Minatorit a cka po t'doket kjo liste? marrja e zotit turp te keshe shko mytu n'Badovc ------Original Message------ From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. Selam, Ramizi >From: "Burim Hana" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > >Me rrespekt te vecante >Burimi > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >> >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >> ... >> From: Arianit Celaj >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. >> >> Arianiti >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >> >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >>01:49:37 -0500 >> >> >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >>shum >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >>Kosovar,dhe >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. >> Ju pershendet Zeneli >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From drin at usa.com Sat Apr 8 02:37:00 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Sat Apr 8 02:37:00 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <383468079.955175817211.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01> Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem e po i drejtohesh Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo qe si ki po koke edhe ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se nuk pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena Cari i mahall?s ------Original Message------ From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. Selam, Ramizi >From: "Burim Hana" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > >Me rrespekt te vecante >Burimi > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >> >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >> ... >> From: Arianit Celaj >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. >> >> Arianiti >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >> >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >>01:49:37 -0500 >> >> >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >>shum >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >>Kosovar,dhe >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. >> Ju pershendet Zeneli >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From drin at usa.com Sat Apr 8 02:40:28 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Sat Apr 8 02:40:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <380682285.955176027252.JavaMail.root@web38.pub01> Sami, a je bo sekretaric? i Arianit a? ------Original Message------ From: "samik" To: Sent: April 8, 2006 6:02:27 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l shoku Burim eshte ne rregull te polemizohet (per cfaredo qofte teme) po nuk eshte ne rregull te jepen keso klasifikime per njerez te cilet ti ndoshta edhe nuk i njeh fare, e sidomos kesi sharjesh qe u dihet fjalori prandaj prej teje kerkohet qe ato fyerje pasi vec i ke bere ti argumentosh nje nga nje edhe ngadale, ne te kunderten do te denohesh ti se Arianiti jo se jo me te mira Samiu p.s. ooooo sa here me ju thane bre "free your mind" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi > vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > Me rrespekt te vecante > Burimi > > > >From: "Faik Gashi" > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > > > >RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e > >qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun > >me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > ... > > From: Arianit Celaj > > To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > > > Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > > He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete > >vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > > > Arianiti > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > >01:49:37 -0500 > > >> > > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > >shum > > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > >Kosovar,dhe > > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From drin at usa.com Sat Apr 8 02:44:17 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Sat Apr 8 02:44:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <385851213.955176256916.JavaMail.root@web35.pub01> Bresto, a fort t'paska prek? muhabeti i Burimit a? Na shiptart e kena zanat? qe kur nuk na pelqen diqka, edhe zotin hor? e bojna. Mos u kapni p? Ibrahimin e Hashimin si shkau p?r kryq po t'qyrim ?ka mujna na me bvo e me e ndreq pun?n. Selam tonve Vlores e Prenit Drini ------Original Message------ From: Shkumbin Brestovci To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 8, 2000 1:05:08 AM GMT Subject: RE: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, ti po shihet qi prishtinali be djale edhe etiketimet s'po din me i perdore qysh duhet. Kshtu as Qorr Iljazi s'kish dijte me angllashtise muhabetin. Ty a po t'doket qi je n'Boom a n'koncert t'Minatorit a cka po t'doket kjo liste? marrja e zotit turp te keshe shko mytu n'Badovc ------Original Message------ From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. Selam, Ramizi >From: "Burim Hana" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > >Me rrespekt te vecante >Burimi > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >> >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >> ... >> From: Arianit Celaj >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. >> >> Arianiti >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >> >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >>01:49:37 -0500 >> >> >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >>shum >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >>Kosovar,dhe >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. >> Ju pershendet Zeneli >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From sami at prishtina.com Sat Apr 8 09:44:05 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Sat Apr 8 09:44:05 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? References: <383468079.955175817211.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01> Message-ID: <001501c65be9$188959c0$9900330a@KOHA> Drin me axhin a je mire ti kshtu qysh pe perkrahe ti Burimin krejt po ma qon mallin e lokalizmave te lidereve tane, mos ashtu me axhin se nuk i ben nder vetit edhe prape po duhet me perserite... nejse pe dini per ka e pata fjalen a??? me te mira Samiu ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem e po i drejtohesh > Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo qe si ki po koke edhe > ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se nuk > pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. > Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena > Cari i mahall?s > > > > ------Original Message------ > From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Burim, > Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the > ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz > me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte > "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i > pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" > duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. > > Selam, Ramizi > > >From: "Burim Hana" > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi > >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > > >Me rrespekt te vecante > >Burimi > > > > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > >> > >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! > >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e > >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun > >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > >> ... > >> From: Arianit Celaj > >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >> > >> > >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete > >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > >> > >> Arianiti > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >> > >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > >> > >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> > >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > >>01:49:37 -0500 > >> >> > >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > >>shum > >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > >>Kosovar,dhe > >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > >> Ju pershendet Zeneli > >> > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From sami at prishtina.com Sat Apr 8 09:47:11 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Sat Apr 8 09:47:11 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? References: <380682285.955176027252.JavaMail.root@web38.pub01> Message-ID: <001b01c65be9$87694ad0$9900330a@KOHA> Drin, axhit une ty te njoh mire, ti e din po nejse, edhe Arianitin e njoh, edhe pse nuk e njoh personalisht - ja njoh familjen kshtu qe mund te them se e njoh Drin, ti e din qe une punen nuk e zgjedhi sikur ti e disa disa tjere - jo vec sekretareshe - edhe pastrues kisha punu, bile edhe ketu midis Prishtine, e jo sikur ti dhe disa te tjere qe vec jashte kur dalin punojne lloj-lloj pune, se ktu jan shmekera e nuk ben ti shohe dikush duke punuar Drin, e verteta dhemb, po me mire mu pajtu me te sa je i ri se ma vone munesh me pase telashe se ka edhe mahalla tjera ma te mdhaja se e jotja, p.sh. Mahalla e shkrumave (i qatyhit jam edhe une nuk te rrej) prape me te mira Samiu ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Sami, a je bo sekretaric? i Arianit a? > > > ------Original Message------ > From: "samik" > To: > Sent: April 8, 2006 6:02:27 PM GMT > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > shoku Burim > eshte ne rregull te polemizohet (per cfaredo qofte teme) po nuk eshte ne > rregull te jepen keso klasifikime per njerez te cilet ti ndoshta edhe nuk i > njeh fare, e sidomos kesi sharjesh qe u dihet fjalori > prandaj prej teje kerkohet qe ato fyerje pasi vec i ke bere ti argumentosh > nje nga nje edhe ngadale, ne te kunderten do te denohesh ti se Arianiti jo > se jo > > me te mira > Samiu > p.s. ooooo sa here me ju thane bre "free your mind" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Burim Hana" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:49 PM > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > > > Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > > Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > > komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > > Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi > > vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > > trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > > ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > > Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > > mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > > > Me rrespekt te vecante > > Burimi > > > > > > >From: "Faik Gashi" > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: > > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > > > > > >RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > > > po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > > ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e > > >qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > > Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun > > >me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > > tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > > ... > > > From: Arianit Celaj > > > To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > > > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > > > > > > Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > > > He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete > > >vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > > > > > Arianiti > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > > To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > > > > > << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > > >01:49:37 -0500 > > > >> > > > Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > > >shum > > > popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > > >Kosovar,dhe > > > ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > > Ju pershendet Zeneli > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From dardan at prishtina.com Sat Apr 8 10:34:34 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sat Apr 8 10:34:34 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <200004081037.AA139133598@prishtina.com> Drin, Po e shoh qe koke car edhe "trim i mire me shoke shume" po do fjale munesh me i hjeke para se me e nise e-mailin ne kete liste. A jon njerezit ahmaka a jo e sa te mdhaja i kane, ju kallxon tjeterkush, e jo ti ne liste. Dardani ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DRIN KRYEZIU Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:36:57 -0400 (EDT) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem e po i drejtohesh >Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo qe si ki po koke edhe >ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se nuk >pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. >Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena >Cari i mahall?s > > > >------Original Message------ >From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >--- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Burim, >Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the >ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz >me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte >"komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i >pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" >duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. > >Selam, Ramizi > >>From: "Burim Hana" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT >> >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >>Valla Faik me Ty jom, >> >>Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >>Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >>komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >>Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >>vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >>trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >>ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >>Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >>mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) >> >>Me rrespekt te vecante >>Burimi >> >> >>>From: "Faik Gashi" >>>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>>To: >>>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >>> >>>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >>> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >>> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >>> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >>> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >>> ... >>> From: Arianit Celaj >>> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >>> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >>> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>> >>> >>> Zoti jau ruejt z. 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Message-ID: <20000408185639.50790.qmail@hotmail.com> O daj, ti te kokshe i rrezikshem fort. E edhe "car i mahalles" po duket vetja. Mase po dukesh qe je edhe ti si Burimi, atehere spo me vjen cudi qe e paske ba veten "car", se ju "demokratate keni adet me lakmua ne pozita (presidenta, kryeministra, e tash edhe "cara"). Po ki kujdes djali i mire, e mos e hjek edhe ti titullin "vullnetarisht". Ramizi >From: DRIN KRYEZIU >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:36:57 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem e po i drejtohesh >Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo qe si ki po koke edhe >ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se >nuk >pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. >Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena >Cari i mahall?s > > > >------Original Message------ >From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >--- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Burim, >Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the >ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz >me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte >"komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i >pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" >duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. > >Selam, Ramizi > > >From: "Burim Hana" > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi > >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > > >Me rrespekt te vecante > >Burimi > > > > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >>To: > >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > >> > >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! > >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e > >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure >barkun > >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > >> ... > >> From: Arianit Celaj > >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >> > >> > >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon >mete > >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > >> > >> Arianiti > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > >> > >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > >> > >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> > >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > >>01:49:37 -0500 > >> >> > >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > >>shum > >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > >>Kosovar,dhe > >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > >> Ju pershendet Zeneli > >> > >> _______________________________________________________ > >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > >> > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de Sat Apr 8 17:57:52 2000 From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Gezim RUGOVA) Date: Sat Apr 8 17:57:52 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Marre Message-ID: <38EF9E24.56D7217C@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> Tung, sa shkruhen maila me tonelata ne kete mailing-list per te kritikuar njeri tjetrin, e nuk mund te gjindet nje grup e hakereve tone qe te mbroj faqet tona.(shihe albanian.com) e mos te flas fare per te bere dic me faqet e serbeve. I deshpruari ne emer te gjithe studenteve e njerezve tjere te Informatikes Gezimi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: grugova.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 234 bytes Desc: Visitenkarte f?r Gezim RUGOVA URL: From burimh at hotmail.com Sat Apr 8 19:51:41 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Sat Apr 8 19:51:41 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000408235134.22453.qmail@hotmail.com> M'falni burra, se o bo ni mosmarreveshje e madhe... Tek sot kur e qela emejllin e, e pashe hallakama qi u bo. Shkrimin s'e kom cu une hiq po djali i mixhes tem Syla, i cili ka qef me bo hajgare vec qisaj here e paska tepru pak. I kerkoj falje krejtve qi jone permend n'emajll sidomos shokut Arianit te cilin as qi e njoh, e le mo me etiketu qashtu palidhje. Arianit m'fal edhe nihere, si dhe i kerkoj falje pronarit te listes si dhe t'gjithve tjerve qi i ka preke ky email. E ti Drin t'lutna mos m'mbroj tjeter here palidhje pa e dite as per cka po bohet muhabeti se ty nuk t'kom avokat, e idete tona fort mire e din qi nuk perputhen hiq, po ksaj here 'kete ndihmen' tonde e shoh si ni 'loje tonden' me m'perfitu mue ... Natyrisht i kerkoj falje edhe ish-presidentit tone Ibrahim Rugoves i cili ne menyre indirekte osht impliku ne kete muhabet... per t'mire Burimi >From: "sami" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:20:06 +0200 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Drin me axhin a je mire ti kshtu >qysh pe perkrahe ti Burimin krejt po ma qon mallin e lokalizmave te >lidereve >tane, >mos ashtu me axhin se nuk i ben nder vetit >edhe prape po duhet me perserite... nejse pe dini per ka e pata fjalen a??? >me te mira >Samiu >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:36 AM >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem e po i drejtohesh > > Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo qe si ki po koke edhe > > ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se >nuk > > pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. > > Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena > > Cari i mahall?s > > > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" > > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Burim, > > Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e >the > > ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum >kurioz > > me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte > > "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk >i > > pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me >"demokrat" > > duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. > > > > Selam, Ramizi > > > > >From: "Burim Hana" > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > > > > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far >dallkaukut) > > >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > > >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > > >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle >qi > > >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i > > >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha > > >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > > >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te > > >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > > > > >Me rrespekt te vecante > > >Burimi > > > > > > > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" > > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >>To: > > >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > > >> > > >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... > > >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi >e > > >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure >barkun > > >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > >> ... > > >> From: Arianit Celaj > > >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > > >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >> > > >> > > >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. > > >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon >mete > > >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > >> > > >> Arianiti > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? > > >> > > >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > >> > > >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: > > >> > > >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > > >>01:49:37 -0500 > > >> >> > > >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket >ma > > >>shum > > >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve > > >>Kosovar,dhe > > >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. > > >> Ju pershendet Zeneli > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________________ > > >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > >> > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > ______________________________________________ > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Sun Apr 9 06:49:28 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Sun Apr 9 06:49:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <380403187.955277366469.JavaMail.root@web11.mail.com> Arianit, un me 'sap gati qi e mora izen e grues per me ardhe me ardhe me gjithe rob e plang, po vec ka mete me u sigurue a pernime NMS Elisabeth II asht prej qatyne burrave t'shtire t'hinglizit qi na pranon. per t'mire bresta >Byrani burra, >E mire se vini, te tane, me cka na ka qillue: buke, birre e "te >bardhe", se LMS Mretnesha Elizabeta e ka zemren e gjane vec, o >pak rraciste e nuk ka "te zeze". Plus, Besniku po shkon >n'Prishtine e, po leshohet nji vend. > >Hajt e mire se na vini >Arianiti ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From bresta at email.com Sun Apr 9 07:18:03 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Sun Apr 9 07:18:03 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <386397056.955279082307.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Drin, Muhabeti i Burimit me kqyr holl e holl nuk m'ka prek hic. Etiketue per etiketue kam qef vet me pase at privilegj edhe ate ekskluzivisht. E dijsha qi s'i kam punet mire me zotin, po kujtojsha qi kjo pune asht dicka personale mes meje e tij. Ti na e dishmove ne menyre fort impresive qi n'fakt asht fjala per nji fenomen kulturor, t'cilin e kane tane shqiptaret. Po e perseris, se per mendim temin, menyra qysh Burimi, gjegjesisht djali i mixhes tinaj Syla, i ra n'qafe Arianitit diftojke nji ngathtesi ne perdorimin e etiketimeve, t'cilen un e gjeneralizova si problem kulturor t'prishtinalijve. Perpos kesaj e shfrytezova rastin si pararendesit e mij me ia adresue Burimit personalisht do nema, urata, mallkime a ckadokjofshin ato, E pata pershtypjen qi per kete pune ma kapercyet ju tane edhe ate fort bindshem. Un per vete nuk e shoh t'udhes ma, me shprehe ne kete liste urata e mallkime. M'sa merr puna e t'kapunit t'Brahimit a t'Hashimit ma ha mendja qi koxha krahasim t'bukur ke vu n'loje. T'falemnderes per t'fala t'fala pac bresta ------Original Message------ From: DRIN KRYEZIU To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 8, 2000 6:44:16 AM GMT Subject: RE: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Bresto, a fort t'paska prek? muhabeti i Burimit a? Na shiptart e kena zanat? qe kur nuk na pelqen diqka, edhe zotin hor? e bojna. Mos u kapni p? Ibrahimin e Hashimin si shkau p?r kryq po t'qyrim ?ka mujna na me bvo e me e ndreq pun?n. Selam tonve Vlores e Prenit Drini ------Original Message------ From: Shkumbin Brestovci To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 8, 2000 1:05:08 AM GMT Subject: RE: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, ti po shihet qi prishtinali be djale edhe etiketimet s'po din me i perdore qysh duhet. Kshtu as Qorr Iljazi s'kish dijte me angllashtise muhabetin. Ty a po t'doket qi je n'Boom a n'koncert t'Minatorit a cka po t'doket kjo liste? marrja e zotit turp te keshe shko mytu n'Badovc ------Original Message------ From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Burim, Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se budallakit, si ajo qe e the ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se Arianiti ashte "komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A vec se Arianitit nuk i pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe po mahesh me "demokrat" duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me racionalisht. Selam, Ramizi >From: "Burim Hana" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone zotri ktij far dallkaukut) >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon komunikata paushalle qi >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, po ky uje(tash pak i >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te perbetuar ne kisha >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne formen me te rende te >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > >Me rrespekt te vecante >Burimi > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 >> >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , celaj..... >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e juaja apo nje filosofi e >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe tani e kan mbushure barkun >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar >> ... >> From: Arianit Celaj >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin per jete. >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje ktu n'Angli se, jon mete >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. >> >> Arianiti >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Zenelito at aol.com [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova more popular than Thaci? >> >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e >> >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 >>01:49:37 -0500 >> >> >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma >>shum >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit por tere Politikaneve >>Kosovar,dhe >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e Kosoves. >> Ju pershendet Zeneli >> >> _______________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >> > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! 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The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 9 07:20:52 2000 From: b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk (Bujar Dibra) Date: Sun Apr 9 07:20:52 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Artikull-----Mitologjia e Bukur greke dhe greket e shemtuar----- Message-ID: <003101bfa214$f097f780$3ae5883e@pc> Mitologjia e Bukur greke dhe greket e shemtuar nga Gazmend Kapllani Nuk eshte shume e veshtire t?i pergjigjet dikush stereotipit me stereotip, demonizimit me demonizim dhe racizmit me racizem. Eshte tundimi me "fiziologjik" qe bazohet ne kalluposjen e realitetit ne pak rreshta historie (greket barbare sepse rrafshuan Trojen, hebrejte organe te anti-Krishtit sepse vrane Krishtin, shqiptaret sepse x apo y, etj.etj.)...Sic krijojme per vetveten mitologjine egocentrike ku "fisi" yne del i vetmi qe meriton dashurine e Perendise ndersa te tjeret, ne rastin me te mire, kane per detyre te adhurojne dliresine dhe vuajtjen tone ashtu edhe "te tjeret" nuk humbasin kohe por na sajojne nje mitologji krejt te kundert ku shpesh na vendosin ne vendin qe ne u rezervojme atyre... Ne te dy rastet ajo qe percakton hyjnezimin apo demonizmin eshte thjeshtezimi dhe shnderrimi i stereotipit te trasheguar apo te krijuar ne realitet te patundshem e mbi te gjitha te perjetshem... Kjo behet prej disa kohesh tashme ne Shqiperi ne lidhje me Greqine dhe greket... "Specialiste" te historise, te sociologjise, te politikes, ne pergjithesi volksgeist-ista, japin e marrin neper faqet e gazetave per te vertetuar se fenomenet e racizmit ne shoqerine greke ndaj shqiptareve nuk i atribuohen rrethanave sociale dhe institucionale, pervojes qe ka shoqeria greke ne kushtet e nje shoqerie shumekulturore, shkalles se emancipimit te shoqerise greke, fobive qe s?jane vetem te saj ne kushtet e globalizmit, (Keto konsiderohen si rrethana lehtesuese), por natyres pothuajse te perjetshme primitive dhe barbare, bukeshkale dhe te dhunshme te grekeve te rinj. Me pak fjale DNA-se tyre biologjike dhe kulturore... Madje rekrutojne per vertetimin e terzes se tyre Ismail Kadarene dhe rrafshimin e Trojes, Ali Pashen dhe Cemerit, Vorio-Epirin dhe operacionet "fshese" dhe te gjitha llojet e argumenteve qe fare lehte "eksitojne" instiktet... Nje filologji urrejtjeje dhe racizmi (nga pozita e te persekutuarit) qe riperterihet e shumefishohet ne fjalorin politik, sidomos ate te opozites (ose me mire te A-pozites qe pasi e shnderroi demokracine ne demokrature tani s?i mbetet vecse stadi i fundit: ksenofobia, tipari me i "vyer" i regjimit komunist)... Vecse nuk eshte e mundur qe mos te vrase syte simetria e argumenteve qe perdoret nga te dyja anet, nga ana jone dhe nga ana tjeter"... Ndryshojne vetem kahet e argumentimeve... Edhe ata qe kultivojne racizmin kunder shqiptareve ne Greqi kete bejne... Nuk ka shume kohe qe lexoja gazeten "Eleftherotipia" qe "kolaboracionizmi" dha "hajdutizmi" (sidomos ky i fundit) perben "virtyt" shoqeror te Shqiptareve (sic eshte pak a shume tek japonezet harakiri!). Dhe s?mjaftonin "shembujt" e "bashkepunimit" me otomanet dhe nazo-fashistet por autori (profesor sociologjie, me pak fjale dishepull i dijes!?) kredhej deri ne analizen e arvanitesve, te cilet paskan qene hajdute me nam (per kete nuk nguronte te permendte edhe emra "hajdutesh" me origjine arvanitase!)... Qellimi i shkrimit ishte te vertetonte se kudo qe te ndodhet fara e shqiptareve, ne cdo lloj krime, ne cdo lloj epoke dhe regjimi,kontinenti dhe planeti, ne cdo lloj konturi kulturor mbart ne vetvete kromozomet e negativizmit... Me pak fjale e kane ne gjak te keqen!... Ndersa, nga ana jone shpesh rrjedh konkluzioni tjeter: qe grekerit kane ne gjak bukshkalesine dhe receptore te kesaj bukshkalesie jane ngahere shqiptaret!... Atehere e kote te analizosh rrethanat historike dhe shoqerore, e kote te punosh per te ardhmen, per tejkalimin e stereotipeve (qe dihet kerkojne kohe shumefish se sa koha qe iu nevojit per t?u krijuar). Perderisa eshte ceshtje pothusjae biologjike dorezohu: zgjidh e merr, o me ne o me ata. Ose urre ose duro te te urrejne... Kur ministri i jashtem grek Jorgos Papandreu (vertet si nuk u kujtua askush ne Shqiperi, gjate vizites se tij, qe ky minister ishte i vetmi qe vizitoi para dy vjetesh nje familje emigrantesh shqiptare qe kishte pesuar nje nga padrejtesite e shumta qe u behen emigranteve dhe u kerkoi atyre te falur ne emer te tij dhe te institucioneve, duke thene se greket duhet te falenderojne emigrantet dhe jo t?i izolojne. Por padyshim edhe ky ndonje turk dinak i nipit te Uliksit do ishte!!!)... Pra kur ministri i jashtem grek Papandreu filloi percapjet e tij per permiresimin e marredhenieve me Turqine, nje profesor universiteti (dishepull i dijes edhe ky i fundit), ish-qytetar turk me origjine greke i perzene nga Stambolli doli dhe tha se "Turqit cfare do qe t?ju besh, t?i futesh apo jo ne Evrope, te dialogosh apo jo, mbeten kafshe te egra... Dhe ne se nuk jane te egra, jane kafshe...". Skena jone e lavdishme Ballkanike eshte e mbushur me te tilla sentenca... Jane trashegimi e arsimit, e historise qe na kane servirur, e historise tragjike te ketij rajoni, e hierarkive pseudo gazetareske, pseudo shkencore qe nuk humbasin rastin te zevendesojne ngahere te tashmen dhe te ardhmen me te shkuaren... Dhe te kultivojne ne jete te jeteve mostolerancen... Jo se u mungojne "te dhenat"... Por i perdorin keto te dhena ne menyre aq te thjeshtezuar saqe realiteti te duket ngahere bardhe e zi... Dhe mbi te gjitha te kete te shkuar, asnjehere te ardhme...Sepse nese Turqit jane te destinuar te mbeten armiq te perhershem te grekeve dhe anasjelltas, nese greket e kane ne gjak anti-shqiptarizmin atehere e kote te shpresosh ne dicka me te mire mes kombeve e njerezve (sipas kesaj formule francezet kane ne gjak anti-arabizmin dhe spanjollet anti-marokinizmin)... Dhe e kote te kerkosh fakte e te dhena qe pergenjeshtrojne "perjetesine e armiqesise"... Mandej taktika eshte e njohur: i pergjigjemi urrejtjes me urrejtje, paragjykimit me paragjykim, nihilizmit me nihilizem... Dhe konkluzioni: "perse na mallkoi Zoti dhe na dha Greqine apo Shqiperine per fqinj?... Dhe tre gjera mbeten: ose duhet vrare Zoti, ose duhet vrare vetja ose duheet vrare fqinji... Ose te treja bashke... Pa dyshim nje trajtim i tille eshte i destinuar te rrise numrin e tifozeve te urrejtjes dhe t?ju rezervoje nje vetmi deshperuese atyre qe mundohen t?i rezistojne urrejtjes, te luftojne stereotipet, racizmin dhe "kycjen" e te ardhmes... Ne Greqi (si edhe ne Shqiperi) ka nacionaliste ashtu sic ka edhe jo-nacionaliste... Ka fondamentaliste naciofetar ashtu sic ka edhe iluministe... Ka sadiste ashtu sic ka edhe humaniste... Nese dikush do te flase per realitetin e emigranteve dhe do te theksoj fenomenet e racizmit, shpesh te skajshem, ndaj shqiptareve atehere le ta beje duke analizuar te dhenat ne teresi, duke analizuar dhe realitetin e emigranteve te tjere, realitetin social dhe institucional te Greqise si edhe ate Evropian... Me pak fjale le t?i lere akrobacirat populiste te tipit "nje refren kane shqiptaret ne goje..." (qe te kujton aq shume stilin e realizmit socialist!). Dhe sidomos nese dikush shpjegon fenomenin e demonizimit duke demonizuar mund te kenaqe ekzistenca te plagosura, ego te ofenduara, komplekse inferioriteti apo superioritet, por mbetet aty... Asnje lloj sherbimi nuk na ofron per te kuptuar me mire, as per t?u perballur me mire me realitetin, as me te miren as me te keqen... Sepse ma ha mendja qe as Perendine nuk e vrasim dot, as veten dhe as tjetrin... Dhe as Greqine se cojme dot ne Tajvan dhe te anasjellten (dhe me mire keshtu, sepse ku do emigronin 400.000 mije shqiptare ne se ne vend te Greqise kishim Etiopine ose ish-miken tone te madhe Kinen?). Jemi te denuar te bashkeekzistojme me tjetrin dhe bashke ekzistenca eshte arti me i veshtire... Aty shenohen deshtimet me te medha te njerezimit... Dhe ne jemi njerez brenda njerezimit shtu sic eshte edhe tjetri... Me te keqijat dhe me te mirat, me paragjykimet dhe kersherine e njohjes, me mohimin dhe pohimin... Problemi eshte cfare cilesie njerezimi kerkojme... Dhe ne se e duam njerezimin me njerezor apo jo... Dhe ne se perpiqemi per nje gje te tille dhe si... T?i pergjigjesh fenomeneve te demonizimit me demonizim, fenomeneve te keqtrajtimit te imazhit tend duke keqtrajtuar me te njejten padrejtesi imazhin e tjetrit s?besoj se eshte taktika me e mire per te jetuar ne nje bote me te mire... Dhe fundi i fundit ka shume greke qe e padisin dhe e luftojne demonizimin dhe dhunen ndaj tjetrit... Por per keta nuk flet kush... Se mos prishet imazhi i "ligesise kolektive"... "Ne se nuk ju pelqen ketu ne Greqi atehere ikni andej nga keni ardhur, me thoshte ne intervalin e nje emisioni televiziv, pas nje nxehje reciproke gjakrash nje deputet (dishepull i demokracise thueht ne qitapet e Kushtetutes!) grek nga ata qe bazojne karrieren e tyre mbi ksenofobine (dhe mos te harrojme qe deputete te tille shtohen ne menyre shqetesuese ne Evropen antiraciste!)... U pergjigj nje gazetar grek: "Me nje kusht: qe te kerkosh nga qeverite e vendeve ku kane emigruar greke qe keta te fundit te kthehen andej nga kane ardhur". Atehere deputeti mori flake (besoj per xhentilese e shmangu fjalen tradhtar) dhe po mundohetj te vertetonte ne menyre "shkencore" ndryshimin e madh midis races greke dhe asaj shqiptare, duke sjelle argumente historike me "shitje me shumice"... "Ke te drejte" i pergjigjet Jorgo (emri i gazetarit) "se vetem per nje kaprico te historise nuk u krijua mbreteria greko-shqiptare. Atehere dy gjera: ose qe te dy popujt jemi fisnike ose qe te dy bastarde" ... Pa dyshim diskutimi u mbyll me shpalljen zelarte te deputetit qe ai eshte anti-racist i betuar!?... Dhe meqenese e permendem rrafshimin e Trojes dhe per me shume meqenese jemi ne Ballkan le te permendim edhe keto vargje: "Kaq trupa te vervitur/ ne nofullat e detit ne nofullat e tokes/ kaq shpirtra te dhene falas ne guret e mullirit, si gruri/. Dhe lumenjte u enjten neper balte gjaku/ per nje valezim mendafshi per nje re/ per shkundjen e nje fluture penden e nje mjellme/ per nje kemishe boshe, per nje Helene". Autori quhet Jorgos Seferis... Thuhet, pasardhes i denje iatyre qe rrafshuan Trojen... Gazmend Kapllani eshte pedadog filozofie ne Universitetin e Athines dhe i njohur ne shtypin grek per artikujt e tij kunder racizmit. Koha Jone From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 13:27:32 2000 From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda) Date: Sun Apr 9 13:27:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nga metropolet boterore Message-ID: <20000409172716.24743.qmail@hotmail.com> Falemnderit per kete porosi Disa gjera, edhe pse jane pjese e te qenurit "njeri" jane personale/intime dhe si te tilla nuk ka aresye te banalizohen prej injoranteve. Marta ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From dardan at prishtina.com Sun Apr 9 13:45:54 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sun Apr 9 13:45:54 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Serbian internet attacks Message-ID: <200004091349.AA721556@prishtina.com> The next sites that are currently under attack: http://www.kosova.com http://www.kohaditore.com It looks like tomorrow in the morning these pages will have serbian content. There is a loophole in the networksolutions.com way of authentication, and serbs are using it to get access to albanian domains and make them point to serbian sites. An attack on www.prishtina.com has been avoided. Basically, networksolutions.com has been very ignorant when we addressed these issues. From xythshoqi at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 17:21:45 2000 From: xythshoqi at yahoo.com (Xyth Shoqi) Date: Sun Apr 9 17:21:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci? Message-ID: <20000409212444.17117.qmail@web3607.mail.yahoo.com> U se di a e ka keq daja jem Ramisi a po ti driton e ti Burim ,,edhe sa i perket Arianit Celese (qe ma e quajtet pjell komuniste ) Mbani fjalet .se me e thirre dikon Komuist duhet me pas stazh te madhe abej ....vetm nje selam ke kjo ...e ti Ramis te do nipashi forte e ty Arinait te pershndes nga Bronxi i bukure Xythshoqi --- Ramis Ahmetaj wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > O daj, ti te kokshe i rrezikshem fort. E edhe "car > i mahalles" po duket > vetja. Mase po dukesh qe je edhe ti si Burimi, > atehere spo me vjen cudi qe > e paske ba veten "car", se ju "demokratate keni adet > me lakmua ne pozita > (presidenta, kryeministra, e tash edhe "cara"). > Po ki kujdes djali i mire, e mos e hjek edhe ti > titullin "vullnetarisht". > > Ramizi > > > > > >From: DRIN KRYEZIU > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular > than Thaci? > >Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:36:57 -0400 (EDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Ramiz. Po t'kujna t'pat?m ty qe koke qekaq i menqem > e po i drejtohesh > >Burimit, duhesh me i pas koqet sa t'kaut po ti jo > qe si ki po koke edhe > >ahmak. Sa p?r racionalizmin t?nd ska vend ktu. > Burimi e ka mir?, edhe se > >nuk > >pajtohem me disa ide t'tina ksaj here e ka me vend. > >Burim, mos t'k?rset se ktu jena > >Cari i mahall?s > > > > > > > >------Original Message------ > >From: "Ramis Ahmetaj" > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Sent: April 7, 2000 8:15:49 PM GMT > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more popular > than Thaci? > > > > > >--- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > >Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Burim, > >Ti i paske la durt djal. Une thojsha me veti se > budallakit, si ajo qe e the > >ti skam me lexua ne kete liste, po edhe ajo po > bajka vaki. Jam shum kurioz > >me e dite se ku dreqin e morre ate mendim se > Arianiti ashte > >"komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste"? A > vec se Arianitit nuk i > >pelqen Rugova? Hej meno cka je tu thane, se ti qe > po mahesh me "demokrat" > >duhet me i pranua mendimet e tjereve me > racionalisht. > > > >Selam, Ramizi > > > > >From: "Burim Hana" > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more > popular than Thaci? > > >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:49:12 GMT > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > >Valla Faik me Ty jom, > > > > > >Muna me thone qi zotri(s'di a mujme me i thone > zotri ktij far dallkaukut) > > >Celaj osht pjelle e fantazise > > >komunisto-enveristo-kauzi-patriotiko-spiuniste... > > >Nuk osht hera e pare qi ky zotri ne fjale leshon > komunikata paushalle qi > > >vetem i turbullojne ujnat e pastra atdhedashese, > po ky uje(tash pak i > > >trubullosur) shkon ne mulli te armiqve tone te > perbetuar ne kisha > > >ortodokso-fashisto-cmendurake. > > >Si i tille ky zotri meriton te ndeshkohet ne > formen me te rende te > > >mundur...(metoden zgjidheni Ju) > > > > > >Me rrespekt te vecante > > >Burimi > > > > > > > > >>From: "Faik Gashi" > > >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >>To: > > >>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more > popular than Thaci? > > >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:26:23 +0200 > > >> > > >>RE: Rugova more popular than Thaci?zotri , > celaj..... > > >> po me duket se e ke nje problem! > > >> ate qe keni ceku me larte eshte nje enderr e > juaja apo nje filosofi e > > >>qmendur e autorit ne fjuale. > > >> Ne angli flasin keshtu vetem tipat si ti qe > tani e kan mbushure > >barkun > > >>me buke... dhe pak Bierr....edhe te bardh. > > >> tipat si ti nuk iduhen as dreqit te mallkuar > > >> ... > > >> From: Arianit Celaj > > >> To: Prishtina-L (E-mail) > > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 1:16 PM > > >> Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Rugova more > popular than Thaci? > > >> > > >> > > >> Zoti jau ruejt z. Rugova, e ja pafshi hajrin > per jete. > > >> He Angli he loqken ta honksha. Sami, a po vje > ktu n'Angli se, jon > >mete > > >>vec edhe 4 a 5 vende per azilanta. > > >> > > >> Arianiti > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Zenelito at aol.com > [SMTP:Zenelito at aol.com] > > >> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 12:50 PM > > >> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com > > >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Rugova > more popular than Thaci? > > >> > > >> --- Prishtina-E Discussion > Forum --- > > >> Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > >> > > >> In einer eMail vom 00-04-02 7:49:37 PD MEZ, > schreiben Sie: > > >> > > >> << air-zc01.mail.aol.com (v70.20) with > ESMTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 > > >>01:49:37 -0500 > > >> >> > > >> Mefal Etrit po u dite qe Zotrinj Rugova ka > pas,ka,dhe do te ket ma > > >>shum > > >> popullaritet,jo vetem ndaj Zotrinj Thaqit > por tere Politikaneve > > >>Kosovar,dhe > > >> ky do te na qon deri ne Pavarsine e > Kosoves. > > >> Ju pershendet Zeneli > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________________ > > >> Prishtina-E discussion forum: > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > >> > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > >Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > >______________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > >______________________________________________ > >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From etrit at alb-net.com Sun Apr 9 23:48:59 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sun Apr 9 23:48:59 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Marre In-Reply-To: <38EF9E24.56D7217C@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> Message-ID: Please be aware that the albanian.com server was not hacked, rather a security hole that exists in Network Solutions (the company that hosts all the domain names) was used to re-direct all traffic to another site. This is a well known hole, read the following article published in the very well-respected Slashdot Web Site: http://slashdot.org/articles/00/02/09/063223.shtml There were indications that Network Solutions was being sued for not fixing this security hole... Btw, this is the lowest form of "hacking" someone's site, and is considered as a very dirty campaign by those who do it, thus causing more disgust towards the perpetrators. Someone suggests that Albanians should do the same thing to Serbian sites, but I think that it will only do us more harm. Once again, the albanian.com server was not hacked, however due to the nature of how the internet works, for all the domain name servers to propagate the correct information from Network Solutions, it will take additionally 2 to 3 more days... :-( Etrit. On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Gezim RUGOVA wrote: > Tung, > > sa shkruhen maila me tonelata ne kete mailing-list per te kritikuar > njeri tjetrin, e nuk mund te gjindet nje grup e hakereve tone qe te > mbroj faqet tona.(shihe albanian.com) e mos te flas fare per te bere dic > me faqet e serbeve. > > I deshpruari ne emer te gjithe studenteve e njerezve tjere te > Informatikes > Gezimi > From gugja at hotmail.com Mon Apr 10 10:57:16 2000 From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI) Date: Mon Apr 10 10:57:16 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Tung te gjithve! Message-ID: <20000410145708.75023.qmail@hotmail.com> Desha te ju ves se qka u bo me "ALBANIAN.COM" a e kan ndru emrin apo jan bashku me shkije bashke.Nese e din dikush emrin e ri te tyre a bon me ma tregu ju lutem, faliminderit. Arianiti. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From drin at usa.com Mon Apr 10 19:00:19 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Mon Apr 10 19:00:19 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] 123 Message-ID: <381901809.955407610740.JavaMail.root@web38.pub01> Tung tonve. Arsye pse shkruva para disa dit?ve dhe disa prej juve ishin prek? osht se po e perdorni kete list? per gjithqka tjeter po jo per diskutime normale. Kur e pash? subjektin se kush osht ma i popullarizum Hashimi a Ibra e aty nuk u permendke as Ibrahimi e as Hashimi po ishit rrok? n?rmjet veti se kush ishte komunist, kushe e ka pas bab?n komunist e gjana tjera palidhe. Kur e pash sa o sahati thash pse edhe une nuk shkretoj diqka, dikon ta shaj paoidhje e dikon ta mbroj.Nuk ka pas? asgj? personale me ask?nd dhe as nuk m'interseon se kush ishte komunist n? koh?n kur gati gjysa e bot?s ishte n? sistemin komunist. N?se d?shiron dikush me e shajt dikon, bile ndroni subjektin. A u murr?m vesh. Edhe ni send, mos e prekni amon e zamon pull?n Replay n?se nuk shkruni kurgjo se na mbushen e-mailat me e-maila t'zbrazt e ... masnej po thuni pse po shaj. Ku mos me shajt, kur shpirtin n'fyt ma prut. Drini p.s. Noshta ska nevoj me ja u pers?rit? :) ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dardan at prishtina.com Mon Apr 10 22:20:54 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon Apr 10 22:20:54 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB?= ne Internet? Message-ID: <200004102224.AA386794002@prishtina.com> Me siguri se keni v?rejtur se k?to dit?, sajtat shqiptare ne internet jan? duke u sulmuar nga s?rbet. Si zakonisht, ata iu v?rsul?n ?do sajti q? ka t? b?j? me shqiptar?t, qoft? ai edhe sajt personal. Prishtina.com ishte nj?ri sajt q? filloi t? sulmohej qysh nga 7 prilli, deri tani pa sukses. S?rb?t, si zakonisht e kan? t? v?rtet?n hal? n? sy dhe nuk zgjedhin m?nyrat p?r ta plasuar t? v?rtet?n e tyre... Tani m?nyra e tyre ?sht? Kosova.com, kosovapress.com, kohaditore.com, albanian.com... Pasi q? k?to sulme nuk duket se do t? ndalen, do t? ishte mir? q? t? organizohemi dhe ta b?jm? nj? kund?rsulm ne sajtat e tyre. Pajtohemi se kjo ?sht? m?nyra m? e ult? e konfrontimit edhe ju kuptojm? n?se nuk pajtoheni. From dardan at prishtina.com Mon Apr 10 22:24:59 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon Apr 10 22:24:59 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: WorldNews.com article: "Serb-Albanian Rift Highlighted" Message-ID: <200004102228.AA112657064@prishtina.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Uk Lushi Date: Tue Apr 11 00:54:17 2000 This email was sent from http://worldnews.com/ WorldNews.com is your gateway to stories from the World's Best online news services. Uk Lushi attached the following message for you: > Artikull interesant. Nese pajtohesh dergoje ne prishtina listat! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Associated Press (Sat 8 Apr 2000) Serb-Albanian Rift Highlighted BUDAPEST, Hungary (AP) -- A U.S.-sponsored conference between Kosovo Albanians and Serb opponents of Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has brought into sharp relief a major disagreement over a key Balkan issue: what happens to Kosovo when peacekeepers leave. Serb opposition figures insist the province must remain part of Serbia, Yugoslavia's main republic. Ethnic Albanians are demanding full independence, regardless of who is in power in Belgrade. The two-day conference, which ends today, is sponsored by the Project for Ethnic Relations, a private U.S. group based in Princeton, N.J. A member of the group, Allen Kassof, said the purpose was to discuss political changes in the Balkans and the "aspirations of Albanian population in the region, which affects their neighbors." On the issue of Kosovo, however, there was little sign of dialogue. Ibrahim Rugova, the elected president of an unrecognized Republic of Kosovo and the leading ethnic Albanian moderate, reflected the view of hard-liners, saying that an "independent Kosovo is the best solution." "The (Serbian) opposition has the same views as the regime in Belgrade" regarding Kosovo, Rugova said. "They think that nothing has happened but there is a new era for Kosovo now. And for the whole region." That angered Serb opposition figures, who accused the ethnic Albanians of simply repeating old positions rather than seeking to find common ground. "They say they are for a dialogue but in reality they stick to the concept of independent Kosovo, which the international community clearly ruled out," said Vladan Batic, leader of the Christian Democrats, an opposition party based in Belgrade. Batic said that the Serbian opposition, while opposed to Milosevic, cannot accept Kosovo's independence. He also urged Kosovo Albanians to stop the continuing attacks on the dwindling Serb community in the province. "If they keep talking about themselves as the only victims, no solution can be found for return of 200,000 Serb refugees who have fled Kosovo." Batic said. "The message from the international community is clear -- no independence for Kosovo." A Kosovo Serb community leader, Momcilo Trajkovic, said that nearly a year after taking over Kosovo, the United States and the Europeans "have a crisis in dealing with the crisis." "Kosovo Albanians present themselves as democratic, goodwill people but they stick to their nationalist, extreme goals of full independence," Trajkovic said. But Hashim Thaci, former political chief of the officially disbanded Kosovo Liberation Army, said that thanks to NATO and the United Nations, the province is already on a path to full independence -- regardless of whether Milosevic or his opponents hold power in Belgrade. "Kosovo has its territory, recognized internationally," Thaci said. "And we are strengthening our institutions" ahead of anticipated province-wide elections. Kosovo was excluded from the Republic of Albania when major European powers established the borders of the modern Albanian state in 1912. The way the border was drawn, however, left nearly half of the region's Albanian speakers outside the Albanian state. Batic said the creation of two Albanian states in the Balkans -- the Republic of Albania and Kosovo -- would represent "a major threat to stability in the region." Copyright 2000 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. From drin at usa.com Mon Apr 10 22:40:52 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Mon Apr 10 22:40:52 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB?= ne Internet? Message-ID: <384749025.955420851687.JavaMail.root@web20.pub01> Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti mshojna. ------Original Message------ From: "Dardan Blaku" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 11, 2000 2:24:24 AM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB?= ne Internet? --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Me siguri se keni v?rejtur se k?to dit?, sajtat shqiptare ne internet jan? duke u sulmuar nga s?rbet. Si zakonisht, ata iu v?rsul?n ?do sajti q? ka t? b?j? me shqiptar?t, qoft? ai edhe sajt personal. Prishtina.com ishte nj?ri sajt q? filloi t? sulmohej qysh nga 7 prilli, deri tani pa sukses. S?rb?t, si zakonisht e kan? t? v?rtet?n hal? n? sy dhe nuk zgjedhin m?nyrat p?r ta plasuar t? v?rtet?n e tyre... Tani m?nyra e tyre ?sht? Kosova.com, kosovapress.com, kohaditore.com, albanian.com... Pasi q? k?to sulme nuk duket se do t? ndalen, do t? ishte mir? q? t? organizohemi dhe ta b?jm? nj? kund?rsulm ne sajtat e tyre. Pajtohemi se kjo ?sht? m?nyra m? e ult? e konfrontimit edhe ju kuptojm? n?se nuk pajtoheni. _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dardan at prishtina.com Mon Apr 10 22:48:18 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon Apr 10 22:48:18 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=EB?= ne Internet? Message-ID: <200004102251.AA405078546@prishtina.com> http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/Domain_Hijacking__A_step-by-step_guide.html ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DRIN KRYEZIU Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe >mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti >mshojna. > From dardan at prishtina.com Mon Apr 10 23:23:42 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon Apr 10 23:23:42 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] adresat alternative Message-ID: <200004102327.AA61276732@prishtina.com> Deri sa t? rregullohen sajtet shqiptare n? internet, p?rdorni lidhjet e m?poshtme p?r lajme: p?r albanian.com p?rdorni: http://www.alb-net.com/albanian.com p?r kosova.com p?rdorni: http://206.67.55.71/ p?r kohaditore.com p?rdorni: http://208.249.125.75 p?r kosovapress.com p?rdorni: http://www3.datacomm.ch/kosova/ Dardani From sami at prishtina.com Tue Apr 11 06:53:36 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Tue Apr 11 06:53:36 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] adresat alternative References: <200004102327.AA61276732@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <001501c65e2c$de79e420$9900330a@KOHA> ej care - po get e kishin ndale kta te networksolutions ksi tash cka me ju qu atyne edhe ksi - fola pram edhe me akanin duhet gjithqysh me bo najsen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dardan Blaku" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 5:27 AM Subject: [Prishtina-l] adresat alternative > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > Deri sa t? rregullohen sajtet shqiptare n? internet, p?rdorni lidhjet e m?poshtme p?r lajme: > > p?r albanian.com p?rdorni: http://www.alb-net.com/albanian.com > p?r kosova.com p?rdorni: http://206.67.55.71/ > p?r kohaditore.com p?rdorni: http://208.249.125.75 > p?r kosovapress.com p?rdorni: http://www3.datacomm.ch/kosova/ > > Dardani > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From a96_aeu at arch.kth.se Tue Apr 11 11:49:21 2000 From: a96_aeu at arch.kth.se (Alvin Ekmekciu) Date: Tue Apr 11 11:49:21 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Shoqata Shqiptare e Internetit Message-ID: <3.0.32.20000411172301.00953390@arch.kth.se> Te nderuar zoterues dhe mirembajtes te faqeve shqiptare ne internet si dhe ju shqiptare perdorues te shpeshte te internetit ! Per te mbrojtur punen tone pasqyruar ne internet si dhe te drejtat tona te autorit mbi faqet, fotot, shkrimet, poezite, lajmet, apo te dhenash te tjera qe kane te bejne me internetin apo shperndarjen e tyre ne internet na nevojitet krijimi i nje Shoqate Shqiptare Interneti e cila do te beje te mundur njohjen e autoresive, njohjen e faqeve, rregullimin e nje ligji interneti per shqiptaret. Pasi keto faqe, apo te drejta autori te njihen, te hidhen ne nje liste e cila do te zgjerohej me kalimin e kohes. Te gjithe duhet te marrim pjese ne vendimet dhe te mos lihet qe monopoli te mbese ne duart e disave te cilet natyrisht do te njohin vetem ato faqe qe u interesojne atyre. Le te krijojme nje shoqate te tille, pa paragjykime ndasish politike, krahinore per njeri-tjetrin. Duke lene menjane ndjenjat e cmires, lakmise, egoizmit. Kjo do te conte edhe drejt nje konkurimi te ndershem, me pune te ndershme. Kjo shoqate nuk eshte krijuar akoma, pritet te krijohet nga ne. Le te komunikojme nepermjet ketij blloku adresash elektronike - ata qe nuk e pelqejne aspak idene mbi nje shoqate te tille interneti, i lus te shprehen ne menyre qe te hiqen nga ky bllok adresash. Kjo leter u percillet pothuajse te gjitha listave shqiptare ne internet si dhe faqeve me te medha shqiptare te cilat i kemi shkruar me poshte. Ju lutem na vini ne dijeni nese kemi harruar ndonje prej tyre. 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Me nderime ! Alvin Ekmekciu: http://www.arch.kth.se/~a96_aeu/ P.S. Se bashku mund te krijonim edhe nje liste tjeter votimi me 100 faqet me te mira shqiptare ne jave... -------------------------------------------- Sh?nim: A don t? lexosh mbi t? rejat e fundit nga : Astronomia, Mjeksia, Antropologjia, Teknika, Arkeologjia, Historia, Seks, Mistere, Kuriozitete etj - vizito http://www.arch.kth.se/~a96_aeu/rruzull/ From mehollim at hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 13:10:28 2000 From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli) Date: Tue Apr 11 13:10:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: Free Lists for Posting (or Receiving) Scholarship, Conference, Funding and Scholarships Announcements] Message-ID: <20000411170943.43529.qmail@hotmail.com> Craig Zelizer wrote: Dear Human Resources Officer/Program Officer: > > I am writing regarding several new free listservs that I have started > > several months ago about jobs, scholarships, funding for NGOs, and > > intersting lectures/conferences related to conflict > > resolution/humanrights/development and/or to Central and EasternEurope > > and the NIS. If you are interested in reaching a specialized > > recruitment pool for your job openings or to post relevant > > scholarship/funding announcements(or receive posting of other relevant > > opportunities!) the lists are a great way to reach a > > talented and diverse audience in a quick manner. > > The lists are free to both post listings and for people subscribing to > > the lists. To date there are between 120-950 subscribers to each list > > and they are growing every day with members throughout the CEE/NIS > > region, Western Europe and North America. > > If you would like to post something to the list or if you have any > > questions you can e-mail directly at czelizer at gmu.edu > > I am enclosing an announcement below that describes the lists. Please > > feel free to pass along the announcement. > > Thank you for your time. > > Sincerely, > > Craig Zelizer > > Project Director, Alliance for Conflict Transformation > > & Ph.D. Candidate > > Institute for Conflict Analysis and Resolution > > George Mason University > > Fairfax, VA > > > > ==================================================================== > > Craig Zelizer has often, in the past, provided some very interesting > > and useful announcements for our lists. He has now created some > > interesting mailing lists, and outlined them in the announcement > > below. I hope I am forwarding the instructions correctly. > > > > You will note below that the first list is "nisjobs" - and here is > > how you can subscribe to that mailing list via the web: > > > > Go to: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/nisjobs > > > > At that site, you can subscribe to the new NISJOBS list. > > > > If you do not have web access, you can do the following: > > > > 1. Address e-mail to: nisjobs-subscribe at onelist.com > > 2. Leave SUBJECT blank > > 3. Leave MESSAGE blank > > 4, Then SEND the message > > > > You will receive a message confirming your subscription. > > > > You will note, in the list below, that their are 7 differenct > > lists. The instructions above subscribe you to nisjobs. For any > > other list, you will use the same procedure, but use the name of > > the list to which you want to subscribe. > > > > 1) nisjobs (NIS related jobs in the US and Abroad) > > 2) ceejobs (Central Europe related jobs in the US and Abroad) > > 3) conflictjobs (Conflict jobs in the US and abroad) > > 4) nisscholarships (Former Soviet Union related Scholarships) > > 5) ceescholarships (Central Europe Related Scholarships) > > 6) conflictscholarships (Conflict and Development Related > > Scholarships) > > 7) dcevents (DC related human rights, conflict, development talks, > > conferences, also including some interseting events abroad) > > > > Craig Zelizer > > Project Director, Alliance for Conflict Transformation > > & Ph.D. Candidate > > Institute of Conflict Analysis and Resolution > > George Mason University > > E-mail: Czelizer at OSF1.gmu.edu > >-- >PO`!1a > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dhostetter.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 301 bytes Desc: Card for Doug Hostetter URL: From faik_gashi at hotmail.com Tue Apr 11 15:57:15 2000 From: faik_gashi at hotmail.com (Faik Gashi) Date: Tue Apr 11 15:57:15 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000411195657.84957.qmail@hotmail.com> Intelegjenca? Disa dite me par ne disa qytete te Gjermanise,disa media ben matjen e intelegjences se popullit te vete ... Keshtu , pytja ishte : A sillet Dielli rreth Tokes, apo Toka rreth Diellit. Nga anketimi qe ben ata gjat dites,me se 83% te anketurve menduane se Dielli sillet rreth Tokes. Ndoshta do te ishte me mire qe kjo te ndodhte me te vertet, per arsye se zgjedhjet e lira ne Kosove do te mbaheshine qdo 25 dite!... Prandaj qdo poltikani ne Kosove do ti vijke radha qe nje her (me se paku) ta shijioje ate qe tani qe bejne aqe shume,bile edhe pa zgjedhur menyrat qe demetojne popullin e vete te behen ...TE MEDHENJE. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk Tue Apr 11 19:37:51 2000 From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:37:51 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_Ofanziv=EB_ne_Internet=3F?= References: <200004102251.AA405078546@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <008c01bfa40f$082b8dc0$9dc428c3@pbncomputer> jam i gatshem per bashkepunim. Aq sa di. Mirepo per nje gje te tille duhet te ghithe te interesuarit te takohemi dikund. S`dojmi t`i tregojme shkive per veprimet(vendimet) tona. pershendetje Rame Delijaj ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv? ne Internet? > > http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/Domain_Hijacking__A_step-by-step_guid e.html > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: DRIN KRYEZIU > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe > >mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti > >mshojna. > > > > > From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk Tue Apr 11 19:37:56 2000 From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:37:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_Ofanziv=EB_ne_Internet=3F?= References: <200004102251.AA405078546@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <008d01bfa40f$0b7a6aa0$9dc428c3@pbncomputer> jam i gatshem per bashkepunim. Aq sa di. Mirepo per nje gje te tille duhet te ghithe te interesuarit te takohemi dikund. S`dojmi t`i tregojme shkive per veprimet(vendimet) tona. pershendetje Rame Delijaj ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv? ne Internet? > > http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/Domain_Hijacking__A_step-by-step_guid e.html > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: DRIN KRYEZIU > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe > >mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti > >mshojna. > > > > > From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk Tue Apr 11 19:38:02 2000 From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:38:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_Ofanziv=EB_ne_Internet=3F?= References: <200004102251.AA405078546@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <008e01bfa40f$0e862400$9dc428c3@pbncomputer> jam i gatshem per bashkepunim. Aq sa di. Mirepo per nje gje te tille duhet te ghithe te interesuarit te takohemi dikund. S`dojmi t`i tregojme shkive per veprimet(vendimet) tona. pershendetje Rame Delijaj ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv? ne Internet? > > http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/Domain_Hijacking__A_step-by-step_guid e.html > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: DRIN KRYEZIU > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe > >mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti > >mshojna. > > > > > From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk Tue Apr 11 19:39:29 2000 From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia) Date: Tue Apr 11 19:39:29 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_=5BPrishtina-l=5D_Ofanziv=EB_ne_Internet=3F?= Message-ID: <009701bfa40f$408b5100$9dc428c3@pbncomputer> jam i gatshem per bashkepunim. Aq sa di. Mirepo per nje gje te tille duhet te ghithe te interesuarit te takohemi dikund. S`dojmi t`i tregojme shkive per veprimet(vendimet) tona. pershendetje Rame Delijaj ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:51 AM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Ofanziv? ne Internet? > > http://www.securiteam.com/securitynews/Domain_Hijacking__A_step-by-step_guid e.html > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: DRIN KRYEZIU > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:40:51 -0400 (EDT) > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Dardan, veq nuk di, se moti ja u kisha trubullu atyne. N?se ka dikush qe > >mirret vesh n? hakerllak, le t'lajmrohet e mir? e ki ti t'organizohen e ti > >mshojna. > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From drin at usa.com Wed Apr 12 01:45:09 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Wed Apr 12 01:45:09 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <381348349.955518307776.JavaMail.root@web33.pub01> Mos i krahaso gjermant me neve se na per ta jena cara ------Original Message------ From: "Faik Gashi" To: Sent: April 11, 2000 7:24:26 PM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Intelegjenca? Disa dite me par ne disa qytete te Gjermanise,disa media ben matjen e intelegjences se popullit te vete ... Keshtu , pytja ishte : A sillet Dielli rreth Tokes, apo Toka rreth Diellit. Nga anketimi qe ben ata gjat dites,me se 83% te anketurve menduane se Dielli sillet rreth Tokes. Ndoshta do te ishte me mire qe kjo te ndodhte me te vertet, per arsye se zgjedhjet e lira ne Kosove do te mbaheshine qdo 25 dite!... Prandaj qdo poltikani ne Kosove do ti vijke radha qe nje her (me se paku) ta shijioje ate qe tani qe bejne aqe shume,bile edhe pa zgjedhur menyrat qe demetojne popullin e vete te behen ...TE MEDHENJE. ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de Wed Apr 12 02:20:51 2000 From: grugova at rumms.uni-mannheim.de (Gezim RUGOVA) Date: Wed Apr 12 02:20:51 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <38F4088C.A16B60B6@rumms.uni-mannheim.de> Tung, a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si top 5) Pershendetje Gezimi From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Wed Apr 12 02:29:38 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Wed Apr 12 02:29:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <038601bfa458$bceba3a0$55aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> www.suc.org _--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_ "Quicquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes". 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Drini ------Original Message------ From: Gezim RUGOVA To: prishtina-mailling list Sent: April 12, 2000 5:24:29 AM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Tung, a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si top 5) Pershendetje Gezimi _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From drin at usa.com Wed Apr 12 19:17:58 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Wed Apr 12 19:17:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <384657832.955581473136.JavaMail.root@web33.pub01> Pse a nuk jena cara, Albert a? ------Original Message------ From: "Albert Hyseni" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 12, 2000 12:56:20 PM GMT Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Do te isha jashtezakonisht i befasuar nese Drini mendon (seriozisht) ate qe e shkruan. Alberti >From: DRIN KRYEZIU >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) >Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:45:07 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Mos i krahaso gjermant me neve se na per ta jena cara > >------Original Message------ >From: "Faik Gashi" >To: >Sent: April 11, 2000 7:24:26 PM GMT >Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) > > >Intelegjenca? > >Disa dite me par ne disa qytete te Gjermanise,disa media ben matjen e >intelegjences se popullit te vete ... >Keshtu , pytja ishte : >A sillet Dielli rreth Tokes, apo Toka rreth Diellit. >Nga anketimi qe ben ata gjat dites,me se 83% te anketurve menduane se >Dielli sillet rreth Tokes. >Ndoshta do te ishte me mire qe kjo te ndodhte me te vertet, per arsye se >zgjedhjet e lira ne Kosove do te mbaheshine qdo 25 dite!... >Prandaj qdo poltikani ne Kosove do ti vijke radha qe nje her (me se paku) >ta >shijioje ate qe tani qe bejne aqe shume,bile edhe pa zgjedhur menyrat qe >demetojne popullin e vete te behen ...TE MEDHENJE. > >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From dardan at prishtina.com Wed Apr 12 19:22:45 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Wed Apr 12 19:22:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <200004121926.AA238223606@prishtina.com> Si duket veprimtaria ka filluar. 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Applications from qualified individuals are invited for the following positions: Local Investment Officer. In collaboration with expatriate long and short term staff and with an increasing degree of autonomy, the Local Investment Officer will be responsible for the identification, assessment, negotiation and monitoring of investments in private and privatized Kosovar enterprises. The successful candidate could be either a recently graduated, Western-educated individual with excellent analytical capabilities and linguistic skills, or a more seasoned professional who could compensate for his/her rustier educational background with a deep knowledge and understanding of the Kosovar business environment. Interpreter/Secretary. In addition to assisting the expatriate professional staff in their interactions with local firms (interpretation and translation of documents), the Interpreter/Secretary will be responsible for the smooth running of a small office, with a wide variety of tasks (from basic accounting to desktop publishing to supervision of auxiliary personnel). The successful candidate will be a person with inclination for interpersonal relations, excellent organizational skills, and a flavor for PR activities. Qualifications ? Basic qualifications for both positions: Albanian mother tongue, relevant university degree, excellent command of English, computer literacy, some previous work experience. ? Additional qualifications for the Local Investment Officer: work experience with financial institutions, knowledge of company & contract law, knowledge of Italian and/or German, work experience with international organizations or projects. ? Additional qualifications for the Interpreter/Secretary: work experience with international organizations or projects, experience in the organization of events (press conferences, fairs, etc.), knowledge of Italian and/or German. After an initial probationary period, the successful candidates will be offered a renewable, fixed term contract with good prospects of stable employment. The salary will be in line with prevailing market rates for well qualified personnel. While the above positions are primarily open to individuals based in Prishtina, qualified candidates based in Gjakova, Prizren, and Peja are also encouraged to submit their applications in view of possible short term assignments. Applications should be sent by mail, fax, or e-mail at the following address: Consuelo Manzi Economisti Associati Via Rialto 9 - 40124 Bologna, ITALIA Phone + 39 051 6569606 Facsimile + 39 051 6486838 E-mail main at economistiassociati.com All applications will be acknowledged. 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All applications should contain an explicit authorization for the treatment and storage of personal and professional details in line with Italian law requirements (Law #675 on the Protection of Personal Information). ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From drin at usa.com Thu Apr 13 17:55:29 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Thu Apr 13 17:55:29 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <382937122.955662927362.JavaMail.root@web38.pub01> Sami, lupe n' Yellow Pages Drini ------Original Message------ From: "sami" To: Sent: April 14, 2006 3:42:13 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Drin, a ka tilifun ai - hihihihihihihihihi ti dost e ki kete ish-hackerin a? ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" To: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Webmasterave t'faqeve t'sulmuara > > Kontaktoni me ish-hakerin e njohur Kim Schmitz-Kimble.Adresa e tij osht: > http://www.kimble.org > N?se duhet edhe po e pagujm? > Drini > > ------Original Message------ > From: Gezim RUGOVA > To: prishtina-mailling list > Sent: April 12, 2000 5:24:29 AM GMT > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Tung, > > a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si top 5) > > Pershendetje > Gezimi > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From sami at prishtina.com Fri Apr 14 06:19:12 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Fri Apr 14 06:19:12 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe References: <382937122.955662927362.JavaMail.root@web38.pub01> Message-ID: <001301c66083$898820e0$9900330a@KOHA> drin tybe gj? 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> > Drini > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: Gezim RUGOVA > > To: prishtina-mailling list > > Sent: April 12, 2000 5:24:29 AM GMT > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Tung, > > > > a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si top 5) > > > > Pershendetje > > Gezimi > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > ______________________________________________ > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From dardan at prishtina.com Fri Apr 14 11:57:30 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Fri Apr 14 11:57:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle Message-ID: <200004141201.AA13107860@prishtina.com> Nuk eshte hera e pare qe botohen artikuj te tille. Sa di une, artikujt e ketij lloji jane pjelle e Serbise. Mirepo diteve te fundit edhe disa gazeta me renome po i botojne... Thursday, April 13, 2000 Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle Kosovo Albanians control 40% of Europe's heroin. If they now return home, there is little the UN can do Patrick Graham National Post The Associated Press Police arrest a man suspected of being a member of a criminal gang in Kosovo.: (Photo ran in all editions except Toronto.) PRISTINA, Yugoslavia - Kosovo is a gangster's paradise. With few police, no effective judicial system and lots of guns, the internationally administered province is increasingly seen by European leaders as a base for organized crime, especially drug smuggling. Kosovo lies in the middle of the Balkan Route, a web of smuggling roads leading from Turkey and over which $400-billion (US) of heroin is moved into western Europe every year. Now there are growing fears the province could provide an important transit point. "We need riot police for crowd control, forensic experts to solve crimes and specialized units to fight drug trafficking and organized crime," Javier Solana, the European Union's representative for foreign and security policy, told European leaders in February. But the 2,500 United Nations police sent to the province are less than half that requested by Bernard Kouchner, the UN mission chief. KFOR soldiers, for their part, are likely to put as much effort into policing as their cohorts in Bosnia, which is not much. Bosnia is one of Europe's major conduits for drugs, arms, stolen cars and prostitution, despite a large international military presence. "Generals do not want to turn their troops into cops," an official at NATO headquarters said. "Especially, they don't want to get their troops shot pursuing black marketeers." The chaos created by 10 years of war in the Balkans has been a bonanza for the Kosovo Albanians, who control 40% of Europe's heroin trade -- their profits are thought to have helped fund last year's war. If they were to return home, there would be little the cash-starved and understaffed UN mission could do to control the movement of drugs and guns. "All of a sudden, there was a drastic void in Kosovo after the war," said Bruce Lloy, an RCMP officer and chief press spokesman with the UN police in Pristina. "I would have moved in too." Two to six tonnes of heroin are thought to move along the Balkan route every month, providing 80% of Europe's heroin supply. The drug originates in Taleban-controlled Afghanistan, Iran and eastern Turkey, from where it flows to western Turkey. From there it moves through Bulgaria, west to Albania via Macedonia and Kosovo or north through central Europe. The entire journey takes a week to 10 days. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency says that by 1998, Kosovo Albanians had become the second most important group on the Balkan route, after the Turkish mafia. "Kosovo Albanians make the perfect mafia -- even better than the Sicilians," said Marko Nicovic, vice-president of the New York-based International Narcotics Enforcement Agency. "They are a small ethnic group made up of clans or families that have very close to family relations. The brotherhood, or Fic, is impenetrable by outsiders. It is difficult to find translators to work with police and impossible to get an informer or agent inside the organizations." The Kosovo Albanian heroin dealers are typically made up of groups of fewer than 100 members of an extended family. Mr. Nicovic, former chief of the Belgrade narcotics squad, said they are ideally situated to benefit from the trade because, facing discrimination at home over the past few decades, members of the same families have settled in both Turkey and western Europe, at either end of the Balkan route. Since the mid-1980s, these connections have allowed them to begin taking over the heroin trade, especially in Switzerland and Scandinavia. According to Interpol, Albanian speakers accounted for 14% of those arrested for heroin smuggling in 1997. While the average quantity of the drug found on smugglers was two grams, ethnic Albanians were carrying an average of 120 g. Last month, officials from the Czech Republic, Sweden, Norway and Denmark met to discuss stamping out the heroin trade between Southern Europe and European Union countries which they believe is controlled by a dozen Kosovo Albanian families. Although there is no evidence the Kosovo Liberation Army was directly involved in drug dealing, the British-based International Police Review reported it had become dependent on the mafia families, "which gives the criminals an influence over an armed force, almost 30,000 strong, which is likely to dominate post-war Kosovo." But the question facing UN police on the ground in Kosovo is whether the heroin trade through the province -- interrupted by last year's war -- has reappeared in large quantities. "I don't believe that's true," said Barry Graham, a UN officer working with Pristina's regional intelligence unit. "There are Kosovar Albanians dealing drugs in Switzerland and the Czech Republic, but their links with Kosovo are only family associations. I don't believe that Kosovo is providing a significant amount of heroin to Europe. What officials are saying is that 40% of the heroin is provided by Kosovar Albanians -- but the heroin does not come from Kosovo." While he acknowledged heroin is coming into the province, the amount only supplies local needs, he said. Cocaine is also being brought in to satisfy the demands of the large numbers of international workers gathered for the humanitarian effort. "We are not seeing any intelligence that anybody is making large amounts of money here," he said. Mr. Graham argues that the established routes through Bulgaria and Albania are so successful the smugglers have no need to make use of the route through Kosovo. "Why would they change it to Kosovo and risk going through new international borders as well as random security checks by over 40,000 KFOR soldiers? Because the borders are now monitored, they have to use the mountain passes and the quantities are limited to two or three kilograms." Until last year, smugglers bribed their way past Yugoslav border guards into Kosovo, then moved north into Serbia. The war disrupted this route and the new international border guards are not so easily corrupted, he said. In Belgrade, there is no longer the large supply of heroin coming from Kosovo that there was a few years ago. "All the connections between Serbs and Albanians has stopped," a heroin dealer in Belgrade told the National Post. "Only people without character would have dealt with Albanians during the war." A middleman along the Balkan route, the 24-year-old dealer sells a kilogram in Belgrade for 20,000 German marks ($14,200), a quarter of the price in Italy. However, he said he did expect the route from Kosovo to reopen. UN police say they are monitoring the dozen or so low-level dealers in Pristina, but with the court system virtually non-existent there is little they can do to stop them. "If a guy is caught with 40 to 50 grams, he wouldn't be prosecuted," said Mr. Graham. He added that he is much more concerned by the large numbers of guns coming into the country from Albania, a growing arsenal for the KLA, which was to have been decomissioned last year. "Large trucks are being used to smuggle weapons and drugs from the Albanian port of Dures. Small amounts of cocaine, heroin and pot are hidden in the cab but weapons are the main item." The flow of weapons out of the Balkans may be as great a threat to European security as the heroin trade. From besnikh at yahoo.com Fri Apr 14 14:06:45 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Fri Apr 14 14:06:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <20000414180637.2646.qmail@web3205.mail.yahoo.com> Tungat djema. Une jome ketu ne U.S ne Miami, edhe ketu ka shume shkije. Po munona me bind ni shoqin tem ketu qi ja roke me kompjutera me i rrase durt te sajtat e shkijeve. Po tipi po tutet se po thote qi me i prish sajtat oshte krim. 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>=) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> M'fal Sami, kam harruar se ti je gjeni!! >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: "sami" >> To: >> Sent: April 15, 2006 11:55:43 AM GMT >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> >> >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> drin tybe gj? nuk asht kah me vyen >> =) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> >> >> > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > >> > Sami, lupe n' Yellow Pages >> > Drini >> > >> > ------Original Message------ >> > From: "sami" >> > To: >> > Sent: April 14, 2006 3:42:13 PM GMT >> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > >> > >> > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > >> > Drin, a ka tilifun ai - hihihihihihihihihi >> > ti dost e ki kete ish-hackerin a? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:16 AM >> > Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > >> > >> > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > Webmasterave t'faqeve t'sulmuara >> > > >> > > Kontaktoni me ish-hakerin e njohur Kim Schmitz-Kimble.Adresa e tij >osht: >> > > http://www.kimble.org >> > > N?se duhet edhe po e pagujm? >> > > Drini >> > > >> > > ------Original Message------ >> > > From: Gezim RUGOVA >> > > To: prishtina-mailling list >> > > Sent: April 12, 2000 5:24:29 AM GMT >> > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > > >> > > >> > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > Tung, >> > > >> > > a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si top >5) >> > > >> > > Pershendetje >> > > Gezimi >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________ >> > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > > >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________ >> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > >> > ______________________________________________ >> > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________ >> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > >> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> >> ______________________________________________ >> FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From etrit at alb-net.com Sat Apr 15 13:31:58 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sat Apr 15 13:31:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Futboll Amerikan ne Prishtine? Message-ID: A din dikush te me tregoje se kush eshte BSHQ-ja e kush BSHL-ja? Sipas QIK-ut: Tk dielen luhet njk ndeshje futbolli amerikan Prishtink, 14 prill (QIK) - Zkdhknksi i KFOR-it Filip Anido sot ka konfirmuar se tk dielkn nk aeroportin e Prishtinks do tk zhvillohet njk ndeshje futbolli amerikan (ragbi) mes ekipeve tk BSHQ dhe BSHL. From etrit at alb-net.com Sat Apr 15 13:38:06 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sat Apr 15 13:38:06 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Numrat Kontaktues Per Regjistrim jashte Kosoves Message-ID: Regjistrimi civil: Numrat kontaktues pkr regjistrim jashtk Kosovks Prishtink, 14 Prill (Kosovapress) - Fillimi i regjistrimit civil nk Kosovk parashihet tk fillojk javkn e ardhshme. Ky kshtk rast qk gdo banor i Kosovks tk regjistrohet dhe tk krijojk bazat e regjistrit elektoral. Kosovarkt, tk cilkt tani jetojnk jashtk, por qk kank jetuar nk Kosovk deri mk 1 janar 1998, do tk kenk tk drejtk ta kenk emrin nk regjistrin elektoral. Ata duhet ta plotsojnk njkrin prej kktyre kushteve, qk kkrkohet brenda nk Kosovk, pkr tk hyrk nk procesin elektoral: tk jetk i lindur nk Kosovk, tk ketk njkrin prind tk lindur nk Kosovk, tk ketk jetuar nk Kosovk pkr njk periudhk tk vazhduar prej pesk vjetksh ose tk dkshmojk se kank qenk tk detyruar ta lkshojnk Kosovkn dhe pkr kktk arksye nuk kank mundur ta plotsojnk kushtin se kank jetuar nk Kosovk pkr njk periudhk tk vazhduar prej pesk vjetksh. Nk 32 vende kshtk planifikuar regjistrimi postal. Formularkt e duhur mund tk merren prej qendrave nk Evropk dhe nk Amerikkn Veriore. Ky proces udhkheqet prej Organizatks Ndkrkombktare pkr Migrim, e cila ka krijuar numra tk posagkm telefoni pkr njerkzit tk cilkt kkrkojnk informata tk tjera. Kkta numra jank: Austri ++43 1 503 15 09 ++43 1 503 15 11 Zvickr ++41 22 717 95 05 ++41 22 717 94 00 Itali ++39 06 442 31 428 Belgjikk ++32 2 230 27 24 ++32 2 230 27 37 Gjermani ++49 30 278 778 88 SHBA ++1 877 691 2862 P.S. Regjistrimi nk Shqipkri, Maqedoni dhe nk Malin e Zi do tk bkhet nga vetk personi. From drin at usa.com Sat Apr 15 14:18:40 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Sat Apr 15 14:18:40 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe Message-ID: <383229936.955822719420.JavaMail.root@web32.pub01> Edhe hekrin kom ni qe e han. ;o) ------Original Message------ From: "sami" To: Sent: April 16, 2006 12:38:45 PM GMT Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Eh ashtu pra, tjeter here ki kujdes a??? =) ----- Original Message ----- From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" To: Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > M'fal Sami, kam harruar se ti je gjeni!! > > ------Original Message------ > From: "sami" > To: > Sent: April 15, 2006 11:55:43 AM GMT > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > drin tybe gj? 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> =) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:52 AM > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > M'fal Sami, kam harruar se ti je gjeni!! > > > > ------Original Message------ > > From: "sami" > > To: > > Sent: April 15, 2006 11:55:43 AM GMT > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > drin tybe gj? nuk asht kah me vyen > > =) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:55 PM > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Sami, lupe n' Yellow Pages > > > Drini > > > > > > ------Original Message------ > > > From: "sami" > > > To: > > > Sent: April 14, 2006 3:42:13 PM GMT > > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Drin, a ka tilifun ai - hihihihihihihihihi > > > ti dost e ki kete ish-hackerin a? 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Dardani ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "sami" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 23:12:51 +0200 > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >edhe hypi maje banderit (nese nuk e ke dite) - po hypi edhe tjeterkah ne >rast nevoje..... >----- Original Message ----- >From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:18 PM >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe > > >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> Edhe hekrin kom ni qe e han. ;o) >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: "sami" >> To: >> Sent: April 16, 2006 12:38:45 PM GMT >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> >> >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> Eh ashtu pra, tjeter here ki kujdes a??? >> =) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 12:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> >> >> > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > >> > M'fal Sami, kam harruar se ti je gjeni!! >> > >> > ------Original Message------ >> > From: "sami" >> > To: >> > Sent: April 15, 2006 11:55:43 AM GMT >> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > >> > >> > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > >> > drin tybe gj? nuk asht kah me vyen >> > =) >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >> > To: >> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:55 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > >> > >> > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > Sami, lupe n' Yellow Pages >> > > Drini >> > > >> > > ------Original Message------ >> > > From: "sami" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: April 14, 2006 3:42:13 PM GMT >> > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > > >> > > >> > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > Drin, a ka tilifun ai - hihihihihihihihihi >> > > ti dost e ki kete ish-hackerin a? >> > > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >> > > From: "DRIN KRYEZIU" >> > > To: >> > > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 1:16 AM >> > > Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > > >> > > >> > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > > >> > > > Webmasterave t'faqeve t'sulmuara >> > > > >> > > > Kontaktoni me ish-hakerin e njohur Kim Schmitz-Kimble.Adresa e tij >> osht: >> > > > http://www.kimble.org >> > > > N?se duhet edhe po e pagujm? >> > > > Drini >> > > > >> > > > ------Original Message------ >> > > > From: Gezim RUGOVA >> > > > To: prishtina-mailling list >> > > > Sent: April 12, 2000 5:24:29 AM GMT >> > > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Faqet serbe >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> > > > >> > > > Tung, >> > > > >> > > > a mund ti shkruaj dikush faqet me te vizituara te serbeve (dic si >top >> 5) >> > > > >> > > > Pershendetje >> > > > Gezimi >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > > >> > > > ______________________________________________ >> > > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> > > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >> > > ______________________________________________ >> > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > > >> > > >> > > _____________________________________________________ >> > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________ >> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > >> > ______________________________________________ >> > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________ >> > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > >> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> >> ______________________________________________ >> FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >> Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup >> >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From besnikh at yahoo.com Sun Apr 16 00:08:44 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Sun Apr 16 00:08:44 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Numrat Kontaktues Per Regjistrim jashte Kosoves Message-ID: <20000416040837.12775.qmail@web3204.mail.yahoo.com> O Etrit Bardhi, Une jome Besnik Hashani djali i Zekije Hashanit e poashtu nipi i Sadik Berishes. Sa e di une ti e ke studiju anglishten ne Prishtine apo mos e ka studiju anglishten vellau i yt Petriti. Sidoqofte po te boj shume selam edhe po ti dergoj te gjitha komplimentet per web siten Alba News te cilin po e perdorin edhe miqet e mi amerikane te cilet jane te interesuar per situaten ne Kosove. Shoqja e nanes time Mary Motes po sa e ka botuar nje liber per kosoven. Libri quhet "Kosova-Kosovo", dhe mirret me qashtjen e Kosoves ne nje menyre te re dhe i paraqet faktet nepermjet ngjarjeve tew cilat Mary i ka perjetuar ne kosove prej vitit 1966-1999. Ne kete kohe Ajo ka qene ne kontakt me Kosoven, gjate 34 vjeteve te fundit dhe ka punuar ne UP ne degen e gjuhes dhe letersise Angleze prej '66-74. Nese je i interesuar per kete liber kontakto ne telefonin 1305 247 43 98 ose ne websiten www,redlandpress.com Shume selam nga, Besniku P.S nuk po e di a po e mban nder mend nje ndeje ne Prishtine ne banesen tende kur u patem mbledh bashke me kinezet e lujshin lojra ne Commodorin tand --- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Regjistrimi civil: Numrat kontaktues pkr regjistrim > jashtk Kosovks > > Prishtink, 14 Prill (Kosovapress) - Fillimi i > regjistrimit civil nk Kosovk > parashihet tk fillojk javkn e ardhshme. Ky kshtk > rast qk gdo banor i > Kosovks tk regjistrohet dhe tk krijojk bazat e > regjistrit > elektoral. Kosovarkt, tk cilkt tani jetojnk jashtk, > por qk kank jetuar nk > Kosovk deri mk 1 janar 1998, do tk kenk tk drejtk ta > kenk emrin nk > regjistrin elektoral. Ata duhet ta plotsojnk njkrin > prej kktyre kushteve, > qk kkrkohet brenda nk Kosovk, pkr tk hyrk nk > procesin elektoral: tk jetk i > lindur nk Kosovk, tk ketk njkrin prind tk lindur nk > Kosovk, tk ketk jetuar > nk Kosovk pkr njk periudhk tk vazhduar prej pesk > vjetksh ose tk dkshmojk > se kank qenk tk detyruar ta lkshojnk Kosovkn dhe pkr > kktk arksye nuk kank > mundur ta plotsojnk kushtin se kank jetuar nk Kosovk > pkr njk periudhk tk > vazhduar prej pesk vjetksh. > > Nk 32 vende kshtk planifikuar regjistrimi postal. > Formularkt e duhur mund > tk merren prej qendrave nk Evropk dhe nk Amerikkn > Veriore. Ky proces > udhkheqet prej Organizatks Ndkrkombktare pkr Migrim, > e cila ka krijuar > numra tk posagkm telefoni pkr njerkzit tk cilkt > kkrkojnk informata tk > tjera. Kkta numra jank: > > Austri > ++43 1 503 15 09 > ++43 1 503 15 11 > > Zvickr > ++41 22 717 95 05 > ++41 22 717 94 00 > > Itali > ++39 06 442 31 428 > > Belgjikk > ++32 2 230 27 24 > ++32 2 230 27 37 > > Gjermani > ++49 30 278 778 88 > > SHBA > ++1 877 691 2862 > > P.S. > Regjistrimi nk Shqipkri, Maqedoni dhe nk Malin e Zi > do tk bkhet nga vetk > personi. > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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Sh?ndet, Arsim Gjinoci, Reaktor i revist?s Mjellma. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Mon Apr 17 05:35:15 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Mon Apr 17 05:35:15 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle Message-ID: <382613165.955964051782.JavaMail.root@web10.pub01> Artikujt e keshtuzem jane sigurisht pjelle e Serbise, prandej na duhet me gjete menyren me jau kthye ket propagande perverze Serbise. Ndersa kriminalitetin nuk mujme me luftue meqe ai nuk ekziston realisht, po vetem ne fantazine serbe edhe ne fantazine e gazetarve te indoktrinuem ne fantazinat serbe. Kush ka ideja t'mira me jau kapercye serbve maskarallakun (ndonese asht vshtire, sidomos me zbulue dicka inkriminuese per karakterin e tyne, qi ata deri tash nuk kane mberri me e ba bash krejt ashiqare) le t'lajmrohet te gazetat lokale e le t'jau mbushe mendjen gazetareve qi i njef. bresta ------Original Message------ From: "Dardan Blaku" To: albanian at Listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu Sent: April 14, 2000 4:01:13 PM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l Nuk eshte hera e pare qe botohen artikuj te tille. Sa di une, artikujt e ketij lloji jane pjelle e Serbise. Mirepo diteve te fundit edhe disa gazeta me renome po i botojne... Thursday, April 13, 2000 Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle Kosovo Albanians control 40% of Europe's heroin. If they now return home, there is little the UN can do Patrick Graham National Post The Associated Press Police arrest a man suspected of being a member of a criminal gang in Kosovo.: (Photo ran in all editions except Toronto.) PRISTINA, Yugoslavia - Kosovo is a gangster's paradise. With few police, no effective judicial system and lots of guns, the internationally administered province is increasingly seen by European leaders as a base for organized crime, especially drug smuggling. Kosovo lies in the middle of the Balkan Route, a web of smuggling roads leading from Turkey and over which $400-billion (US) of heroin is moved into western Europe every year. Now there are growing fears the province could provide an important transit point. "We need riot police for crowd control, forensic experts to solve crimes and specialized units to fight drug trafficking and organized crime," Javier Solana, the European Union's representative for foreign and security policy, told European leaders in February. But the 2,500 United Nations police sent to the province are less than half that requested by Bernard Kouchner, the UN mission chief. KFOR soldiers, for their part, are likely to put as much effort into policing as their cohorts in Bosnia, which is not much. Bosnia is one of Europe's major conduits for drugs, arms, stolen cars and prostitution, despite a large international military presence. "Generals do not want to turn their troops into cops," an official at NATO headquarters said. "Especially, they don't want to get their troops shot pursuing black marketeers." The chaos created by 10 years of war in the Balkans has been a bonanza for the Kosovo Albanians, who control 40% of Europe's heroin trade -- their profits are thought to have helped fund last year's war. If they were to return home, there would be little the cash-starved and understaffed UN mission could do to control the movement of drugs and guns. "All of a sudden, there was a drastic void in Kosovo after the war," said Bruce Lloy, an RCMP officer and chief press spokesman with the UN police in Pristina. "I would have moved in too." Two to six tonnes of heroin are thought to move along the Balkan route every month, providing 80% of Europe's heroin supply. The drug originates in Taleban-controlled Afghanistan, Iran and eastern Turkey, from where it flows to western Turkey. From there it moves through Bulgaria, west to Albania via Macedonia and Kosovo or north through central Europe. The entire journey takes a week to 10 days. The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency says that by 1998, Kosovo Albanians had become the second most important group on the Balkan route, after the Turkish mafia. "Kosovo Albanians make the perfect mafia -- even better than the Sicilians," said Marko Nicovic, vice-president of the New York-based International Narcotics Enforcement Agency. "They are a small ethnic group made up of clans or families that have very close to family relations. The brotherhood, or Fic, is impenetrable by outsiders. It is difficult to find translators to work with police and impossible to get an informer or agent inside the organizations." The Kosovo Albanian heroin dealers are typically made up of groups of fewer than 100 members of an extended family. Mr. Nicovic, former chief of the Belgrade narcotics squad, said they are ideally situated to benefit from the trade because, facing discrimination at home over the past few decades, members of the same families have settled in both Turkey and western Europe, at either end of the Balkan route. Since the mid-1980s, these connections have allowed them to begin taking over the heroin trade, especially in Switzerland and Scandinavia. According to Interpol, Albanian speakers accounted for 14% of those arrested for heroin smuggling in 1997. While the average quantity of the drug found on smugglers was two grams, ethnic Albanians were carrying an average of 120 g. Last month, officials from the Czech Republic, Sweden, Norway and Denmark met to discuss stamping out the heroin trade between Southern Europe and European Union countries which they believe is controlled by a dozen Kosovo Albanian families. Although there is no evidence the Kosovo Liberation Army was directly involved in drug dealing, the British-based International Police Review reported it had become dependent on the mafia families, "which gives the criminals an influence over an armed force, almost 30,000 strong, which is likely to dominate post-war Kosovo." But the question facing UN police on the ground in Kosovo is whether the heroin trade through the province -- interrupted by last year's war -- has reappeared in large quantities. "I don't believe that's true," said Barry Graham, a UN officer working with Pristina's regional intelligence unit. "There are Kosovar Albanians dealing drugs in Switzerland and the Czech Republic, but their links with Kosovo are only family associations. I don't believe that Kosovo is providing a significant amount of heroin to Europe. What officials are saying is that 40% of the heroin is provided by Kosovar Albanians -- but the heroin does not come from Kosovo." While he acknowledged heroin is coming into the province, the amount only supplies local needs, he said. Cocaine is also being brought in to satisfy the demands of the large numbers of international workers gathered for the humanitarian effort. "We are not seeing any intelligence that anybody is making large amounts of money here," he said. Mr. Graham argues that the established routes through Bulgaria and Albania are so successful the smugglers have no need to make use of the route through Kosovo. "Why would they change it to Kosovo and risk going through new international borders as well as random security checks by over 40,000 KFOR soldiers? Because the borders are now monitored, they have to use the mountain passes and the quantities are limited to two or three kilograms." Until last year, smugglers bribed their way past Yugoslav border guards into Kosovo, then moved north into Serbia. The war disrupted this route and the new international border guards are not so easily corrupted, he said. In Belgrade, there is no longer the large supply of heroin coming from Kosovo that there was a few years ago. "All the connections between Serbs and Albanians has stopped," a heroin dealer in Belgrade told the National Post. "Only people without character would have dealt with Albanians during the war." A middleman along the Balkan route, the 24-year-old dealer sells a kilogram in Belgrade for 20,000 German marks ($14,200), a quarter of the price in Italy. However, he said he did expect the route from Kosovo to reopen. UN police say they are monitoring the dozen or so low-level dealers in Pristina, but with the court system virtually non-existent there is little they can do to stop them. "If a guy is caught with 40 to 50 grams, he wouldn't be prosecuted," said Mr. Graham. He added that he is much more concerned by the large numbers of guns coming into the country from Albania, a growing arsenal for the KLA, which was to have been decomissioned last year. "Large trucks are being used to smuggle weapons and drugs from the Albanian port of Dures. Small amounts of cocaine, heroin and pot are hidden in the cab but weapons are the main item." The flow of weapons out of the Balkans may be as great a threat to European security as the heroin trade. _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From zabeli at gmx.de Mon Apr 17 10:25:16 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Mon Apr 17 10:25:16 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle References: <382613165.955964051782.JavaMail.root@web10.pub01> Message-ID: <20917.955981508@www6.gmx.net> artikujt e keshtuzem jane sagllame pjelle e serbise, po une jom tue u bo marak a mos me te vertete egziston dicka ne permasa te ngjashme siq ashte shkrue ne atfare teksti idiotik; (e nese egziston qysh me qit posht atehere?!) shyqa --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Artikujt e keshtuzem jane sigurisht pjelle e Serbise, prandej na duhet > me gjete menyren me jau kthye ket propagande perverze Serbise. Ndersa > kriminalitetin nuk mujme me luftue meqe ai nuk ekziston realisht, po vetem ne > fantazine serbe edhe ne fantazine e > > Kush ka ideja t'mira me jau kapercye serbve maskarallakun (ndonese asht > vshtire, sidomos me zbulue dicka inkriminuese per karakterin e tyne, qi > ata deri tash nuk kane mberri me e ba bash krejt ashiqare) le t'lajmrohet > te gazetat lokale e le t'jau mbushe m > > bresta > > ------Original Message------ > From: "Dardan Blaku" > To: albanian at Listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu > Sent: April 14, 2000 4:01:13 PM GMT > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Nuk eshte hera e pare qe botohen artikuj te tille. Sa di une, artikujt e > ketij lloji jane pjelle e Serbise. Mirepo diteve te fundit edhe disa > gazeta me renome po i botojne... > > Thursday, April 13, 2000 > > Drug wars: Kosovo's new battle > Kosovo Albanians control 40% of Europe's heroin. If they now return > home, > there is little the UN can do > > Patrick Graham > National Post > > > The Associated Press > Police arrest a man suspected of being a member of a criminal gang in > Kosovo.: (Photo ran in all editions except Toronto.) > > > PRISTINA, Yugoslavia - Kosovo is a gangster's paradise. With few police, > no > effective judicial system and lots of guns, the internationally > administered > province is increasingly seen by European leaders as a base for > organized > crime, especially drug smuggling. > > Kosovo lies in the middle of the Balkan Route, a web of smuggling roads > leading from Turkey and over which $400-billion (US) of heroin is moved > into > western Europe every year. Now there are growing fears the province > could > provide an important transit point. > > "We need riot police for crowd control, forensic experts to solve crimes > and > specialized units to fight drug trafficking and organized crime," Javier > > Solana, the European Union's representative for foreign and security > policy, > told European leaders in February. > > But the 2,500 United Nations police sent to the province are less than > half > that requested by Bernard Kouchner, the UN mission chief. KFOR soldiers, > for > their part, are likely to put as much effort into policing as their > cohorts > in Bosnia, which is not much. Bosnia is one of Europe's major conduits > for > drugs, arms, stolen cars and prostitution, despite a large international > > military presence. > > "Generals do not want to turn their troops into cops," an official at > NATO > headquarters said. "Especially, they don't want to get their troops shot > > pursuing black marketeers." > > The chaos created by 10 years of war in the Balkans has been a bonanza > for > the Kosovo Albanians, who control 40% of Europe's heroin trade -- their > profits are thought to have helped fund last year's war. If they were to > > return home, there would be little the cash-starved and understaffed UN > mission could do to control the movement of drugs and guns. > > "All of a sudden, there was a drastic void in Kosovo after the war," > said > Bruce Lloy, an RCMP officer and chief press spokesman with the UN police > in > Pristina. "I would have moved in too." > > Two to six tonnes of heroin are thought to move along the Balkan route > every > month, providing 80% of Europe's heroin supply. The drug originates in > Taleban-controlled Afghanistan, Iran and eastern Turkey, from where it > flows > to western Turkey. From there it moves through Bulgaria, west to Albania > via > Macedonia and Kosovo or north through central Europe. The entire journey > > takes a week to 10 days. > > The U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency says that by 1998, Kosovo Albanians had > > become the second most important group on the Balkan route, after the > Turkish mafia. "Kosovo Albanians make the perfect mafia -- even better > than > the Sicilians," said Marko Nicovic, vice-president of the New York-based > > International Narcotics Enforcement Agency. > > "They are a small ethnic group made up of clans or families that have > very > close to family relations. The brotherhood, or Fic, is impenetrable by > outsiders. It is difficult to find translators to work with police and > impossible to get an informer or agent inside the organizations." > > The Kosovo Albanian heroin dealers are typically made up of groups of > fewer > than 100 members of an extended family. Mr. Nicovic, former chief of the > > Belgrade narcotics squad, said they are ideally situated to benefit from > the > trade because, facing discrimination at home over the past few decades, > members of the same families have settled in both Turkey and western > Europe, > at either end of the Balkan route. > > Since the mid-1980s, these connections have allowed them to begin taking > > over the heroin trade, especially in Switzerland and Scandinavia. > > According to Interpol, Albanian speakers accounted for 14% of those > arrested > for heroin smuggling in 1997. While the average quantity of the drug > found > on smugglers was two grams, ethnic Albanians were carrying an average of > 120 > g. > > Last month, officials from the Czech Republic, Sweden, Norway and > Denmark > met to discuss stamping out the heroin trade between Southern Europe and > > European Union countries which they believe is controlled by a dozen > Kosovo > Albanian families. > > Although there is no evidence the Kosovo Liberation Army was directly > involved in drug dealing, the British-based International Police Review > reported it had become dependent on the mafia families, "which gives the > > criminals an influence over an armed force, almost 30,000 strong, which > is > likely to dominate post-war Kosovo." > > But the question facing UN police on the ground in Kosovo is whether the > > heroin trade through the province -- interrupted by last year's war -- > has > reappeared in large quantities. > > "I don't believe that's true," said Barry Graham, a UN officer working > with > Pristina's regional intelligence unit. "There are Kosovar Albanians > dealing > drugs in Switzerland and the Czech Republic, but their links with Kosovo > are > only family associations. I don't believe that Kosovo is providing a > significant amount of heroin to Europe. What officials are saying is > that > 40% of the heroin is provided by Kosovar Albanians -- but the heroin > does > not come from Kosovo." > > While he acknowledged heroin is coming into the province, the amount > only > supplies local needs, he said. Cocaine is also being brought in to > satisfy > the demands of the large numbers of international workers gathered for > the > humanitarian effort. > > "We are not seeing any intelligence that anybody is making large amounts > of > money here," he said. > > Mr. Graham argues that the established routes through Bulgaria and > Albania > are so successful the smugglers have no need to make use of the route > through Kosovo. > > "Why would they change it to Kosovo and risk going through new > international > borders as well as random security checks by over 40,000 KFOR soldiers? > Because the borders are now monitored, they have to use the mountain > passes > and the quantities are limited to two or three kilograms." > > Until last year, smugglers bribed their way past Yugoslav border guards > into > Kosovo, then moved north into Serbia. The war disrupted this route and > the > new international border guards are not so easily corrupted, he said. > > In Belgrade, there is no longer the large supply of heroin coming from > Kosovo that there was a few years ago. "All the connections between > Serbs > and Albanians has stopped," a heroin dealer in Belgrade told the > National > Post. "Only people without character would have dealt with Albanians > during > the war." > > A middleman along the Balkan route, the 24-year-old dealer sells a > kilogram > in Belgrade for 20,000 German marks ($14,200), a quarter of the price in > > Italy. However, he said he did expect the route from Kosovo to reopen. > > UN police say they are monitoring the dozen or so low-level dealers in > Pristina, but with the court system virtually non-existent there is > little > they can do to stop them. > > "If a guy is caught with 40 to 50 grams, he wouldn't be prosecuted," > said > Mr. Graham. > > He added that he is much more concerned by the large numbers of guns > coming > into the country from Albania, a growing arsenal for the KLA, which was > to > have been decomissioned last year. > > "Large trucks are being used to smuggle weapons and drugs from the > Albanian > port of Dures. Small amounts of cocaine, heroin and pot are hidden in > the > cab but weapons are the main item." > > The flow of weapons out of the Balkans may be as great a threat to > European > security as the heroin trade. > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! 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Mundesishte me duhet veshka me grupin e gjakut O RH + , Ne anen tjeter kam hapur edhe konton ne te cilen shuma e te hollav te dedikuara, do te me ndihmojne ne zgjidhjen sa me te shpejt te semundjes qe kam. 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Si po duket sa me shume nuk punon, me shume te hype reputacioni... ;-) mua me duket se njerezit jo qe duan te votojne per ldk-ne, po duan te votojne kunder ppdk-se, kushdo qe te jete kunder tyre... barem ne prishtine qashtu po duket.. sipas gallup-it e disa njerezve tjere... cka mendoni ju? Etriti. From UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com Tue Apr 18 01:33:12 2000 From: UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com (UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 18 01:33:12 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <9c.2f50d2b.262d4d8a@aol.com> In a message dated 4/17/00 9:06:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, etrit at alb-net.com writes: << sipas gallup-it e disa njerezve tjere... cka mendoni ju? Etriti. >> cilet jan ata njerez bre?????????????? From gjylieta at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 10:02:07 2000 From: gjylieta at yahoo.com (Gjylieta Mushkolaj) Date: Tue Apr 18 10:02:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [fwd: check this] Message-ID: <20000418140200.25422.qmail@web513.mail.yahoo.com> Note: forwarded message attached. ===== Gjylieta Mushkolaj 1600 Eads St # 710S Arlington, VA 22202-2907 Tel: (703) 920-4860 e-mail: Gjylieta at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Gjylieta Mushkolaj Subject: Fwd: [fwd: check this] Date: 18 Apr 00 16:01:06 MET DST Size: 4031 URL: From etrit at alb-net.com Tue Apr 18 11:01:30 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:01:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... Message-ID: dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... ndoshta ka te drejte... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Zot?ri Etrit N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? shkruash m? p?r politik?? Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. From dardan at prishtina.com Tue Apr 18 11:44:07 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:44:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... Message-ID: <200004181147.AA11010296@prishtina.com> Valla po Etrit, Mos gabu me shkru ma per politike se nuk te shkon. Ma mire shko ne info-tech at alb-net.com =) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Etrit Bardhi Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:01:28 -0400 (EDT) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... ndoshta ka te >drejte... > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Zot?ri Etrit >N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e >sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? >shkruash m? p?r politik?? > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu Tue Apr 18 11:48:14 2000 From: dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu (Diar Gashi) Date: Tue Apr 18 11:48:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Etrit...po bre, interesant. E paske nervozu njerin, dy here t'paska thane. Vetem, masi po ja nisemi votave, po e jepi edhe une temen. Shkruje sa t'munesh. Diari On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... ndoshta ka te > drejte... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Zot?ri Etrit > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From fsi at gmx.net Tue Apr 18 12:35:38 2000 From: fsi at gmx.net (fsi at gmx.net) Date: Tue Apr 18 12:35:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Sulm nga hakerat Serbe Message-ID: <3293.956075718@www15.gmx.net> tungatjeta te gjithve, ne fillim kerkoj falje, qe shkrimi im ne gjuhen shqipe nuk eshte ne rregull nga ana gramatikes, kurse une nuk kam mesu shqip ne shkoll por vetem prej prindeve te mi. Per sulmin e hakerave serb ne Websajta te tone: E para: Une perzonalisht e percjelli at mendim, se ky akt kriminel i serbeve vetem e rrit? kuoten e simpatijes qe e ka mbri shqiptarismi ne Kosov?. Si e dini ju, eshte ni numer shqiptar, qe perdorin metoda mafijashve per te rritin pasurijen e vet?. Ata jan ni numer i vogel, por populli i huaj keto pun?t negative i verteton ma shpesh, se ni pun? positive. Momentalisht ne bot? mashum na simpatizojne neve shqiptarve se ata serbet, kurse i nisen kater lufte mbrenda nje dekade me Milloshevi?in. E dyta: Ata hakerat nuk mujn ta sulmojn nje websajt direkt, por kan b?r? manipulime ne DNS (Domain Name Services) ku i kan ndryshu IP-Adresat per emrin e nje Domain. (Si me ka tregua nje shok) Une mendoj qe eshte shum ma mir ti sigurojm serverat e tone deri ne maximum, qe mos te kan mund?si serbet kur me mbri illegalisht te administrimi i ketyre serverrave. Vetem per INFO; I kishin manipulu edhe disa Servera amerikan, anglez edhe gjerman !! Kjo eshe shume negative per Firmen (Network Solutions) e cilla administron emrat e domainave ne Internet. Ju deshiroj te gjitha te mira Fatmiri nga gjermanija -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From besnikh at yahoo.com Tue Apr 18 13:29:10 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:29:10 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... Message-ID: <20000418172816.25469.qmail@web3207.mail.yahoo.com> Etrit, Mos i ngo keta gllupat cka thojne. Masi po e dojme Kosoven demokratrike gjdokush ka te drejt te flet per politike. Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet reputacioni ma ne fund. --- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... > ndoshta ka te > drejte... > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Zot?ri Etrit > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From burimh at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 13:41:58 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Tue Apr 18 13:41:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... Message-ID: <20000418174148.57137.qmail@hotmail.com> Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet >reputacioni ma ne fund. Po a? Na paska honger dreqi apet! Burimi >From: besnik hashani >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Etrit, > >Mos i ngo keta gllupat cka thojne. Masi po e dojme >Kosoven demokratrike gjdokush ka te drejt te flet per >politike. Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet >reputacioni ma ne fund. > >--- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... > > ndoshta ka te > > drejte... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > Zot?ri Etrit > > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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References: <20000418174148.57137.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <005701c663e8$97b79070$9900330a@KOHA> valla po - une dola deri ne stacion te trenit e po pres me na qu apet per maqedoni me tren pa pare sefte hypa ne tren edhe ate pa pare thone qe historia perseritet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > Po a? Na paska honger dreqi apet! > > Burimi > > > >From: besnik hashani > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Etrit, > > > >Mos i ngo keta gllupat cka thojne. Masi po e dojme > >Kosoven demokratrike gjdokush ka te drejt te flet per > >politike. Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > > >--- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... > > > ndoshta ka te > > > drejte... > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > Zot?ri Etrit > > > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > > > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > > > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > > > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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"sami" wrote: --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l valla po - une dola deri ne stacion te trenit e po pres me na qu apet per maqedoni me tren pa pare sefte hypa ne tren edhe ate pa pare thone qe historia perseritet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > Po a? Na paska honger dreqi apet! > > Burimi > > > >From: besnik hashani > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Etrit, > > > >Mos i ngo keta gllupat cka thojne. Masi po e dojme > >Kosoven demokratrike gjdokush ka te drejt te flet per > >politike. Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > > >--- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... > > > ndoshta ka te > > > drejte... > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > Zot?ri Etrit > > > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > > > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > > > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > > > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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Me duket se lufta e kaluar nuk na ka lene fare e haj medet........ "sami" wrote: --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l valla po - une dola deri ne stacion te trenit e po pres me na qu apet per maqedoni me tren pa pare sefte hypa ne tren edhe ate pa pare thone qe historia perseritet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > Po a? Na paska honger dreqi apet! > > Burimi > > > >From: besnik hashani > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] eu... > >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:28:16 -0700 (PDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Etrit, > > > >Mos i ngo keta gllupat cka thojne. Masi po e dojme > >Kosoven demokratrike gjdokush ka te drejt te flet per > >politike. Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > > >--- Etrit Bardhi wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... > > > ndoshta ka te > > > drejte... > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > > > Zot?ri Etrit > > > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > > > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > > > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > > > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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Message-ID: <20000418193337.28094.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> --- Burim Hana wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > Ose Thaqit po i zbret. Qysh dush kqyre nisoj :) Etrit cka po thu ti? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From info at kosova.nu Tue Apr 18 17:33:06 2000 From: info at kosova.nu (Kosova.NU) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:33:06 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fw: Komente Message-ID: <002d01bfa953$95c41aa0$e4b3fea9@feha> > Tema: Komente > > Emri*: Ardit Musliu > > Email*: ardit at freemail.org.mk > > Adresa: > > Vendi: Gostivar > > Tel: 389 42 22 11 00 > > Opcioni: Lajme > > Komente: Te gjitheve, > GUardian ka bere nje ankete me pyetjen " A vlen lufa (NATO bombatrdimet) > ne > Kosove. Shumica e pergjigjeve jane negative. 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Hajde edhe nje here ta fitojme kete lufte me internet....... > Pershendetje, > > ------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------- > > Kosova.nu > www.kosova.nu > From tc at london.com Tue Apr 18 17:33:20 2000 From: tc at london.com (Anton Kajtazi) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:33:20 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] RE: Shoqata Shqiptare e Internetit Message-ID: <383660312.955994587020.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01> MIRSEVINI n? http://www.prishtina.co.uk ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From info at kosova.nu Tue Apr 18 17:33:27 2000 From: info at kosova.nu (Kosova.NU) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:33:27 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re: Shoqata Shqiptare e Internetit References: <383660312.955994587020.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01> Message-ID: <000c01bfa8a2$bc51a9a0$e519fea9@feha> Diskutim ne forumin aktualitete n? lidhje me hackimin e faqeve... http://208.56.26.190/kosova/main/kendi_d/index_a.cgi kosova.nu feha From vizatori at hotmail.com Tue Apr 18 17:33:32 2000 From: vizatori at hotmail.com (Yll Rugova) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:33:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000417191645.27827.qmail@hotmail.com> ____________________________________________________________________ w w w . v i z a t o r i . n e t ____________________________________________________________________ Vet?m desh?m t? ju informojm? se tash e tutja adresen e kemi http://www.vizatori.net ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From info at kosova.nu Tue Apr 18 17:33:35 2000 From: info at kosova.nu (Kosova.NU) Date: Tue Apr 18 17:33:35 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Forum AKTUALITETE References: <383660312.955994587020.JavaMail.root@web34.pub01> Message-ID: <002701bfa96a$73d79900$d63cfea9@feha> ?ka mendoni JU p?r sulmet e shkijeve n? faqet Shqiptare??? http://www.kosova.nu/aktuale/ P?rsh?ndetje info at kosova.nu From ls442 at columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 23:24:14 2000 From: ls442 at columbia.edu (Lion King) Date: Tue Apr 18 23:24:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Etrit, Shkruaj sa te duash, e ai tipi jotolerant le te flladitet pak. Me te mira, Luani. On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Diar Gashi wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Etrit...po bre, interesant. E paske nervozu njerin, dy here > t'paska thane. Vetem, masi po ja nisemi votave, po e jepi edhe une > temen. Shkruje sa t'munesh. > > Diari > > On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Etrit Bardhi wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > dikujt nuk po i pelqen qe po shkruaj per politike... ndoshta ka te > > drejte... > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > > Zot?ri Etrit > > N?se b?n? mos shkruaj p?r politik?,por p?r kthimin e > > sulmit ndaj serb?ve n? internet.A b?n? t? mos t? > > shkruash m? p?r politik?? > > Kthema letr?n sa m? shpejt? q? ?sht? e mundur. > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > Luan Shala 7912 Lerner Hall New York, NY 10027-8382 Phone: (718) 798-8495 Email: ls442 at columbia.edu From dardan at prishtina.com Tue Apr 18 23:36:43 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Tue Apr 18 23:36:43 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FW: Photos Message-ID: Hello I have som photos from Kosova(o) adress is www.roos.to Best regards from Joakim From IHoti12345 at aol.com Wed Apr 19 02:00:05 2000 From: IHoti12345 at aol.com (IHoti12345 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 19 02:00:05 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <9e.3637239.262ea52f@aol.com> Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov ka qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA nuk po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka dobesue ppdk. tung me nderime I.HOTI From loxha at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 05:48:12 2000 From: loxha at hotmail.com (ARTAN LOXHA) Date: Wed Apr 19 05:48:12 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Politika Message-ID: <20000419094802.94955.qmail@hotmail.com> Se pari nuk eshte e imja qe te zhytem ne politike tash, por eshte gje normale qe nje njeri ta shpreh opinionin e vet reth dicka sic eshte politika ne kete rast. Sa pata mundesi me verejte, shumica e shqiptarve ne kete mailing list e perkrahin Rugoven dhe deshirojne qe ai te behet Kryetar perseri. Mirepo, sipas mendimit tim, nje njeri qi qe nuk eshte ne gjendje te shprehet rrjedhshem ne konferenca shtypi, nje njeri qe pin alkohol etj, nuk besoj qe eshte mire te jete perfaqsues i shqiptareve te Kosoves. Prapseprap jam i vetdijshem se shume nga ju mund ta arumentonit te kunderten. Per me teper, politika e Ibrahim Rugoves i ka shkuar per shtati Millosheviqit. Per kete arsye lufta e armatosur ne Kosove, ia filloi vetem atehere kur UCK filloi luften guerile. Une nuk deshiroje t'ja humb vlerat e Rugoves, sepse edhe ai i ka meritat e tij sic jane nderkombtarizimi i ceshtjes se Kosoves ne agjendat nderkombetare. Mirepo, rezistenca e tij paqesore duhet shikur sikur DIMINISHING MARGINAL RETURNS(ju qe e dini anglishten mire do ta kuptoni kete koncept ekonomik). Rezistenca e tij paqesore ka pasur pasoja te medha. Ajo gradualisht i pasivizonte masat e gjera te popullesise, dhe njerzit ishin gjithnje te trembur. Mirepo ishte HAshim Thaci me shoke te tij qe doli i pari dhe shtiu mbi serbin. Ai ishte sikur nje fije e drites qe del nga thellesia e nje humnere te erret. Si rezultat, UCK u be si nje katalizator biologjik qe pershpejtoi ose nxitoi zgjidhjen e ceshtjes se Kosoves. UCK kishte nje strategji: ta nxiste NATO-n qe ti bombardonte caqet serbe. Dhe me ne fund ia arriti. Rugova ishte per nje protektorat nderkombetar por ishte UCK-ja qe e arriti ate. Lehte eshte te flasish, duhen veprat ne raste te tilla. Mirepo, edhe UCK-ja tani TMK-ja i ka dobesit e veta. Shume nga udheheqsit e tyre jane te zhytur ne kontrabanda te ndryshme si e vetmja menyre e financimit. Per kete shkak edhe shume qytetar te Kosoves e kane humbur besimin mbi ta. Une personalisht jam i mendimit se neve na duhen njerez te zot dhe qe jane ne gjendje ta nxjerrin Kosvoven nga kriza politike dhe ajo ekonomike. Mjaft fjale. As HAshimi as Rugova. Kandidate te rinj qe kane ide te qarta politike dhe kane bere plane per zhvillimin e pergjithshem ekonomik te Kosoves. Kosova me nje ekonomi te zhvilluar do te na mundesonte qe perfundimisht ta fitojme pavaresine. Sepse, serbet e Kosoves me standarde me te larte jetesore se sa ato ne Serbi do ta pranonin Kosoven si shtet te vetin. Edhe bashkesia nderkombtare do t'na merr ne sy te mire. Duhen krijuar institucionet dhe sistemi juridik e ai legjislativ. Duhen shfrytezuar rastin qe Millosheviqi eshte ende ne pushtet. Sepse nese Serbia demokratizohet shpejt, shancat per nje Kosove te pavarur so te pakesohen. Mirepo duhet te jemi edhe largpames. Ballkani per 50 vjet do te jete nje, i bashkuar per shkaqe mbase ekonomike. Pra, me mire eshte te punojme se bashku sesa te flasim per politike. Ne kete menyre do t'ja mundesojme Kosoves integrimin ne Evrope. Per me teper, e kemi detyre morale ndaj deshmoreve qe te punojme per nje Kosove te pavarur e demokratike me nje ekonomi te zhvilluar(se askush nuk do qe Kosova te behet sikur Shqiperia). S'kam kohe edhe aq shume e me duhet te shkoj tani. Kohe pas kohe do te perpiqem te shkruaj me shume. Artan Loxha, e-mail: loxha at hotmail.com United World College of the Adriatic Via Trieste 29 Duino 34013 ts italy >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov >ka >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA >nuk >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka >dobesue ppdk. >tung me nderime I.HOTI > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From burimh at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 06:39:39 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Wed Apr 19 06:39:39 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <20000419103929.55687.qmail@hotmail.com> Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e kish kalle krejt. Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe prej jashtit e me marre 'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e kosoves... 'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla me nderime Burimi >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov >ka >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA >nuk >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka >dobesue ppdk. >tung me nderime I.HOTI > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com Wed Apr 19 06:52:38 2000 From: UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com (UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 19 06:52:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... Message-ID: ejj etrit, per politik fol sa te dush, veq mos kallxo vica... From bresta at email.com Wed Apr 19 06:59:30 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Wed Apr 19 06:59:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <384367002.956141968620.JavaMail.root@web07.pub01> Vallha beli, Burim i ki argumentet koxha t'forta. Me kane Thaci i mencem t'kish pajtue kshilltar per fushate elektorale. Seriozisht: Ma ha mendja qi nji politikan kosovar duhet me qene o fort budalle o fort idealist o dyjat bashke nese kandidon momentalisht kunder Brahimit. Prandej po druej qi s'paku ne zgjedhjet e ardhshme s'kemi me pase kenaqesine me pa nji kunderkandidat serioz qi kish mujte me ia rrezikue votat Brahimit. Arsyeja pse, kisha thane qindron edhe ne mentalitetin e elektoratit, po edhe ne ate se secilit njeri normal (pa dallim feje, kombesie, e sfondi kulturor) i doket ma alternative e mire ai qi s'ban kurgja, se ai tjetri qi ban ma shum sherr se hajr. t'fala Syles bresta >Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e kish kalle krejt. >Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe prej jashtit e me marre >'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e kosoves... >'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla > >me nderime >Burimi >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov >ka >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA >nuk >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka >dobesue ppdk. >tung me nderime I.HOTI > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From sami at prishtina.com Wed Apr 19 07:08:54 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Wed Apr 19 07:08:54 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata References: <20000419103929.55687.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <004601c66478$98515d00$9900330a@KOHA> mu ma merr mendja qe Rugova osht kah pravullitet pi traumave pas takimit me MIlosheviqin, i kishin proopozu edhe ne banje me shku (kish dilema a me shku ne ate te Sijarines a ne Prollom banje) tunge-runge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e kish kalle krejt. > Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe prej jashtit e me marre > 'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e kosoves... > 'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla > > me nderime > Burimi > > >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve > >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov > >ka > >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA > >nuk > >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha > >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive > >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si > >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka > >dobesue ppdk. > >tung me nderime I.HOTI > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From sami at prishtina.com Wed Apr 19 07:11:38 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Wed Apr 19 07:11:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant Message-ID: <004f01c66478$f8779f00$9900330a@KOHA> Ne vazhdim lexoni nje shkrim interesant Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me situat?n n? Kosov? Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? ?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t'u b?r? artikuluese e interesave t? shqitpar?ve? Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi Prishtin?, 13 prill - Shkrimet e korrespondent?s shum?vje?are t? "Der Spiegelit", Renata Flettaut, n? Beograd, e cila disa her? ishte n? Kosov? edhe gjat? luft?s, me shtyri t? shkruaj k?t? shkrim. Lexuesi shqitpar si duket nuk e njeh k?t? gazetare, q? din shpesh t? dezinformoj? opinionin p?r tema t? ndryshme nga Kosova dhe n? momente vendimtare t? mbaj? an?n e regjimit t? Beogradit. N?se p?r pacifizmin ka shkruar n? superlativ, kjo nuk ka ardhur nga miq?sia e madhe q? ka p?r popullin shqiptar, por pse p?r nj? gj? t? till? ka marr? leje nga sigurimi serb. Renata Flattau gjat? luft?s, n? ver?n e vitit 1998, me nj? p?rkthyese kroate vijn? n? Malet e Berish?s p?r t? marr? nj? intervist? nga z?dh?n?si i U?K-s?, pasi m? par? ishte takuar me Mishko Lakoviqin (si? kemi m?suar m? von?), nga i cili kishte marr? instruksionet e duhura. Gj?ja e par? q? b?m? ne ishte q? nuk e lejuam q? p?rkthimin ta b?nte bashkudh?tarja e saj, me q?llim q? t'i iknim dezinformimit, por as kjo nuk e pengoi at? q? t? keqinterpretonte nj? deklarat? timen. Asokohe kisha dh?n? shum? intervista e delarata, si n? CNN, n? BBC...,por askush nuk kishte ardhur me q?llim dezinformimi, si? b?ri Renata, mikesha e Rugov?s dhe e Gagic?s... Q?llimi i saj tani nuk na ?sht? i panjohur: ai ishte d?mtimi politik i U?K-s? dhe i luft?s s? drejt? t? populilt shqiptar; q? lufta jon? e drejt? t? mos gjente p?rkrahje n? Evrop? dhe SHBA, e Serbia, nd?rkaq, t? vazhdonte dhun?n dhe terrorin n? Kosov?; q? Kosova t? zbrazej nga shqiptar?t. N? sh?rbim t? k?saj politike dhe t? UDB-s? serbe ishin v?n? dhe gazetar? t? huaj. N? an?n tjet?r, me k?t? d?shironte t? d?shmonte para bot?s, se k?shtu e donte interesi i Beogradit, se prej shqiptar?ve e vetmja pal? "serioze", e "arsyeshme", ishte Rugova dhe LDK-ja, se U?K-ja ishte nj? forc? ekstreme q? d?shiron vet?m p?rhapjen e konflikteve n? Ballkan. Para lexuesit t? zakonsh?m vet?vetiu lind pyetja: Cili ishte q?llimi dhe natyra e takimit, para se t? shkonte n? Malet e Berish?s, me Mishko Lakoviqin? A u q?ndroi dhe sa u q?ndroi besnik udh?zimeve t? UDB-ashit serb? Pastaj, cilat ishin lidhjet e saja me emigrantin e dyshimt? shqitpar, Hafiz Gagic?n? A takohej ky i fundit diku me Mishko Lakoviqin dhe cilat ishin lidhjet e tyre? Mos ishte Renata nd?rlidh?se? T? gjitha k?to pyetje k?rkojn? shpjegim. Di?ka do t? sqaroj? autorja n? nj? shkrim para ca koh?sh n? gazet?n "Der Spiegel", ku haptas vihet n? mbrojtje t? regjimit t? Beogradit. N? at? shkrim, ve? burimeve serbe kishte p?rdorur dhe burimet e pacifist?ve e t? "kryeministrit" t? p?rjetsh?m - Bukoshit. ??shtje tjet?r, q? v? para dilemave, ?sht? "kamuflimi" i saj gjasht?ditor, n? Rezidenc?n e Rugov?s, t? bler? me mjete t? qeveris? Bukoshi, tani t? privatizuar. ?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj? ? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t'u b?r? artikuluese e interesave t? shqitpar?ve? Pse Rugova nuk po i q?ndronte besnik Marr?veshjes s? Rambouilletit p?r formimin e Qeveris? s? Unitetit Komb?tar, por po b?nte tentativa p?r formimin e nj? qeverie marionet me Milosheviqin? Pse Beogradi vazhdon t? ket? edhe sot e k?saj dite besim te Rugova dhe LDK-ja? Ky plan i hartuar n? Beograd dhe i p?rcjell? me mjeshtri nga Renata d?shtoi p?r dy arsye: a) pjesa e intelektual?ve dhe e veprimtar?ve q? kishin mbetur me n? krye dr. Fehmi Aganin, Avdyl Ram?n, etj., nuk kishin pranuar t? merrnin pjes? n? nj? qeveri marionete t? Rugov?s, t? cil?t k?t? akt t? turpsh?m t? Rugov?s e quajt?n tradhti dhe b) pjesa tjet?r e veprimtar?ve t? LDK-s? ishin larguar nga Kosova dhe nuk donin t? d?gjonin p?r kryetarin e tyre, anipse ai kishte d?rguar disa her? emisarin e tij n? Maqedoni, ku p?rkoh?sisht ishin t? vendosur. Por edhe p?r faktin pse bashk?sia nd?rkomb?tare kishte filluar bombardimet dhe nuk po e ?ante kok?n p?r k?rkesat e Rugov?s, i cili edhe n? ndonj? rast tjet?r, m? her?t, kryebanditin e Beogradit e kishte shp?tuar nga kriza. N? k?t? distanc? kohore, s'kemi si mos t? pyesim p?r fatin e profesor dr. Fehmi Aganit? Cila ?sht? e v?rteta p?r vrasjen e tij? Cili ?sht? roli i Rugov?s n? k?t? mes? Mos ?sht? b?r? vrasja e profesorit, q? n? Rambouillet u dallua me freskin? dhe fuqin? intelektuale, p?r t? mbuluar ndonj? makinacion t? liderit t? LDK-s?? A b?ri ndonj? p?rpjekje kryetari i LDK-s? p?r t? shp?tuar bashk?pun?torin e tij shum?vje?ar? Apo...?! Pse armiku i kombit ton? tregohej aq bujar me Rugov?n, e aq barbarisht do t? sillen me profesorin shum?vje?ar t? Universitetit t? Prishtin?s?! N?se p?rcillet me v?mendje shkrimi i Renat?s nuk ?sht? e v?shtitr? t? shihet se nuk ?sht? mir? e sqaruar m?nyra se si ajo u gjend n? sht?pin? e Rugov?s n? at? periudh? mjaft dramatike p?r popullin shqiptar t? Kosov?s. M?nyra se si ajo e shkruan ditarin e atyre 6 dit?ve, ??shtja q? ajo mbron p?rputhet shum? me k?rkesat e disa qarqeve t? caktuara evropiane q? jan? shum? t? af?rta me Mosk?n dhe Beogradin. Forcimi i kreut t? pacifizimit n? Kosov?. Aso kohe funksiononte mir? vija Beograd - Rom? - Mosk?. Kjo vij? i dha rrug? Rugov?s p?r n? Evrop?. Edhe shkrimi i saj i shkruar koh? m? par? p?r ngjarjet n? Mitrovic? ?sht? tep?r i p?raf?rt me ato qarqe. N? at? shkrim ajo p?r ngjajret n? Mitrovic? akuzon shqiptar?t, kur n? t? nj?jt?n koh?, diplomat?, ushtarak? e politikan? per?ndimor? akuzonin Beogradin. Animi ?sht? i duksh?m, ajo rastet individuale t? kryera nga individ? q? kan? humbur gjith?ka n? jet?, q? jan? pasoj? e regjimit kriminal t? Beogradit, tenton t'i barazoj? me krimin e organizuar shtetror serb, krim q? ?sht? shfaqur me t? gjitha p?rmasat e terrorit e gjenocidit m? t? eg?r. Shikuar n? segmentet e njer?zores, p?rpjekja p?r t? barazuar barbarin? kriminale serbe t? organizuar nga aparati shtet?ror me vrasjet individuale q? b?hen n? Kosov?, ?sht? krim n? vete. Sa enigmatike ?sht? gjetja e befasishme e Renat?s n? rezidenc?n e kryetarit t? LDK-s?? A ishte kjo gazetarja m? e guximshme prej t? gjith? gazetar?ve nd?rkomb?tar? q? gjendeshin n? Kosov? aso kohe? Sa ishte e st?rvitur fizikisht dhe a kishte p?rgatitje t? till? p?r t'u larguar ashtu befasish?m e paduksh?m nga Kosova, n? koh?n kur Serbia n? Kosov? kishte rreth 100.000 trupa ushtarake, policore e paramitare, madje kur n? rolin e policit e paramilitarit ishte ?do serb i Kosov?s. Pasi u largua me at? serbishten e saj?! Si arriti t'u besoj? dhe sa u besoi gazetar?ve serb?? Sa ishte e mundur q? gazetar?t serb?, t? akredituar n? Prishtin?, t? mos ishin n? lidhje me UDB-n?? Kush mund t'i besoj? nj? gj?je t? till?? A u takua dhe ku u takua m? von? me Lakoviqin? ?far? informacione i dha dhe ?far? instruksione mori? Cilat jan? detyrat e reja dhe ?'lidhje vazhdon t? mbaj? tani? Cilat jan? instruksionet m? t? reja? (Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From bresta at email.com Wed Apr 19 07:24:08 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Wed Apr 19 07:24:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant Message-ID: <383236733.956143442964.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne argumenteve elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh me shpjegue disponimin e tij. bresta >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me >situat?n n? Kosov? > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t?u b?r? artikuluese e >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From sami at prishtina.com Wed Apr 19 07:37:56 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Wed Apr 19 07:37:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant References: <383236733.956143442964.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> Message-ID: <006f01c6647c$a6dc3710$9900330a@KOHA> Breste, elektorati i Kosoves e ka edhe ni dobesi te "vogel" - shum pak lexon =) ama nuk me cudit aq shume elektorati sa me cudisin raste te lloj-llojshme te njerezve tane jashte po mendoj ne perendim... tung Samiu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shkumbin Brestovci" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. > Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne argumenteve elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh me shpjegue disponimin e tij. > > bresta > > >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me > >situat?n n? Kosov? > > > > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > > > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet > >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty > >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo > >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e > >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t'u b?r? artikuluese e > >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > > > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi > > > > >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From bresta at email.com Wed Apr 19 08:20:32 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Wed Apr 19 08:20:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant Message-ID: <379741083.956146831250.JavaMail.root@web14.mail.com> Sami, ketu e ke koxha me vend. Qashtu si ti qysh nuk po mund i mban njerzit tu jashte n'perendim ner kontroll, edhe per neve tjerve asht ba koxha e vshtire ajo pune. Edhe per elektorat me vend e ke. Megjithate kisha me thane qi asht jo e vogel po koxha e madhe dobesia e elektoratit qi ia lejon vedit pafetyresine me u bazue ne eksperienca t'veta empirike e jo me kape me lexue ma shum shkrime t'mencme, ku i shpjegohet dynjaja ashtu si asht. bresta >Breste, elektorati i Kosoves e ka edhe ni dobesi te "vogel" - shum pak lexon >=) >ama nuk me cudit aq shume elektorati sa me cudisin raste te lloj-llojshme te >njerezve tane jashte po mendoj ne perendim... >tung >Samiu ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From ls442 at columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 09:58:50 2000 From: ls442 at columbia.edu (Luan Shala) Date: Wed Apr 19 09:58:50 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <200004191358.JAA22085@howsit.cc.columbia.edu> Zoterinj de dashur, Cili prej jush e din se ne baza te cilit 'program politik' punon dhe vepron LDK-ja, ose te pakten, a ekziston ndonje dokument i tille? - Pra, te mos ngutemi a te fusim ate ne rangun e partive Evropiane, e as ta quajme "te mire". Eshte e vertete se LDK-ja ka pasur rezultate pozitive ne fushaten e saj politike dhjete vjecare, por ne momentet kritike te luftes kur popullit tone i duhej nje udheheqje, ata u fshehen neper bodrumet e Prishtines e gjeti. Kur populli filloi vete-organizohet dhe lindi UCK-ja, keta "intelektuale" te LDK, me plote vetdije i quajten, ne mes tjerash, edhe "dore e shtrire e Serbise"!!! Me nderime, Luan Shala. > Return-Path: > Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.143]) > by monire.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA16647 > for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:12:59 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from alb-net.com (www.alb-net.com [205.216.244.65]) > by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29107 > for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:12:58 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from alb-net.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3J608s06453; > Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:00:08 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from imo-d10.mx.aol.com (imo-d10.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.42]) > by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3J600s06417 > for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:00:00 -0400 (EDT) > Received: from IHoti12345 at aol.com > by imo-d10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id j.9e.3637239 (9639) > for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:12 -0400 (EDT) > From: IHoti12345 at aol.com > Message-ID: <9e.3637239.262ea52f at aol.com> > Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Sender: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > Errors-To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 > Precedence: list > List-Id: [ALBANIAN] Prishtina Discussion Forum (Prishtina, Kosova) > X-BeenThere: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me modele te shteteve > evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por problemi kryesor ne kosov ka > qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA nuk > po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha > punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh keshtu nga xheloziz e partive > tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si > kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. punen e ldks ne kosov e ka > dobesue ppdk. > tung me nderime I.HOTI > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l From IHoti12345 at aol.com Wed Apr 19 12:52:50 2000 From: IHoti12345 at aol.com (IHoti12345 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 19 12:52:50 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <22.4aac009.262f3e59@aol.com> po ashtu asht LUAN deri dikund ashtu si thua ti .por punet jan ma thell se sa edim ne.ne kohen e luftes jan zhduk shum luftar shqiptar nga dora e shqiptarit. psh. ahmet krasniqin kush e vrau?edhe pse e vran .me sa kam lexue ahmet krasniqin ekan vra vetem se aj ka qen per bashkimin e dy ushtrive ,UQK-FARK. por ma mir tia lam historis ,historia do ta tregoj te verteten . TUNG LUAN me nderime I.HOTI From burimh at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 13:20:21 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Wed Apr 19 13:20:21 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant Message-ID: <20000419171853.89984.qmail@hotmail.com> E bilhi valla bre Breste qitash pernime po m'interesojne argumentet e tuja! Bile edhe Syla s'un po bohet rahat, se ka bo be qi per kon t'votojsh ti me ty ka mu kone... Ejvalla deri n'argumente >From: Shkumbin Brestovci >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:24:02 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. >Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne argumenteve >elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh me >shpjegue disponimin e tij. > >bresta > > >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me > >situat?n n? Kosov? > > > > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > > > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet > >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty > >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo > >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e > >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t?u b?r? artikuluese e > >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > > > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi > > > > >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From sami at prishtina.com Wed Apr 19 13:26:09 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Wed Apr 19 13:26:09 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant References: <20000419171853.89984.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <00e901c664ad$4dad9860$9900330a@KOHA> vllazni, a bon me ju vete dicka: Sa vjet keni qene ne kom?... i pres pergjigjet me padurim Samiu ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burim Hana" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:18 PM Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > E bilhi valla bre Breste qitash pernime po m'interesojne argumentet e tuja! > Bile edhe Syla s'un po bohet rahat, se ka bo be qi per kon t'votojsh ti me > ty ka mu kone... > > Ejvalla deri n'argumente > > >From: Shkumbin Brestovci > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:24:02 -0400 (EDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. > >Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne argumenteve > >elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh me > >shpjegue disponimin e tij. > > > >bresta > > > > >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me > > >situat?n n? Kosov? > > > > > > > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > > > > > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet > > >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty > > >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo > > >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e > > >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t'u b?r? artikuluese e > > >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > > > > > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi > > > > > > > > >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) > >----------------------------------------------- > >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From juniku at hotmail.com Wed Apr 19 14:25:11 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Wed Apr 19 14:25:11 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje ndodhi e shkurter Message-ID: <20000419182503.70406.qmail@hotmail.com> Alfonsi IV, mbreti i Napolit qe ne te vertete kishte qene nje principate e vogel, therret nje dite te gjithe piktoret e oborrit te vet dhe i detyron ata te gjenin me te mirin nder ta per te paraqitur mbreterimin e tij ne nje pikture 4 metra me 4 metra. Shumica e oborrtareve si lakej qe ishin terhiqen nga "madheshtia" te benin nje veper per sovranin ngase ai kishte kercnuar me heqje koke autorin e kesaj vepre nese ai nuk do te mund te fuste krejt principaten e tij ne ato 4 metra katrore. E gjejne nje piktor shetites qe e pranon detyren sepse ishte lodhur nga jeta materialisht e keqe. Ai takon diktatorin dhe zotohet se pas 6 muajsh do te kryente obligimin. E keshtu kalojne ditet e muajt e vie ditat e paraqitjes se piktures. I perndritshmi Alfonsi IV mbledh oborrin dhe ulet ne fron me piktorin dhe pikturen e mbuluar qe pritej te inagurohej para tij dhe bashibozukeve perreth tij. Hiqet perdja dhe c' te shihet- ne qender te punimit nje gomar me nje samar ne shpine qe dallohet me stemen e principates se Alfonsit qe eshte duke shikuar me joshje drejt nje samari tjeter ne toke me nje steme jo fort te qarte por mjaft te qarte te duket se ishte stema e Republikes per te cilen dergjeshin dhe ishin vrare me mija njerez. - Po cfare ke bere keshtu?- e pyet mbreti te shkretin artist- e di ti se do te te shkoje koka! - Naltmadhni, lejomeni te shpjegoj. Ky gomari ketu eshte populli nen sundimin tend qe e kam paraqitur si samar. E sheh se si e veneron me pasion ate samarin tjeter- eshte pushteti i Republikes. Gomari mendon se duke iu nderruar samari ka shpetuar. >From: "sami" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:04:47 +0200 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >vllazni, a bon me ju vete dicka: Sa vjet keni qene ne kom?... >i pres pergjigjet me padurim >Samiu >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Burim Hana" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:18 PM >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > E bilhi valla bre Breste qitash pernime po m'interesojne argumentet e >tuja! > > Bile edhe Syla s'un po bohet rahat, se ka bo be qi per kon t'votojsh ti >me > > ty ka mu kone... > > > > Ejvalla deri n'argumente > > > > >From: Shkumbin Brestovci > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:24:02 -0400 (EDT) > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > >Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. > > >Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne >argumenteve > > >elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh >me > > >shpjegue disponimin e tij. > > > > > >bresta > > > > > > >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me > > > >situat?n n? Kosov? > > > > > > > > > > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > > > > > > > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet > > > >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty > > > >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo > > > >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e > > > >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t'u b?r? artikuluese e > > > >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > > > > > > > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi > > > > > > > > > > > > >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) > > >----------------------------------------------- > > >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > > >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From drin at usa.com Thu Apr 20 01:49:47 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Thu Apr 20 01:49:47 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant Message-ID: <381890609.956209786228.JavaMail.root@web302-mc.mail.com> Shih ti bedat. Edhe Syla a? ------Original Message------ From: "Burim Hana" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 19, 2000 5:18:53 PM GMT Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l E bilhi valla bre Breste qitash pernime po m'interesojne argumentet e tuja! Bile edhe Syla s'un po bohet rahat, se ka bo be qi per kon t'votojsh ti me ty ka mu kone... Ejvalla deri n'argumente >From: Shkumbin Brestovci >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] nje shkrim interesant >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:24:02 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Ja Burim qeky po ta ftofka me argumente. >Un po i terhjeki shpjegimet qi i thash ma pare. Karshi ketyne argumenteve >elektorati i Kosoves pos hajvan mundet me qene se perndryshe s'di qysh me >shpjegue disponimin e tij. > >bresta > > >Reagim ndaj shkrimeve t? gazetares Reanata Flettau, lidhur me > >situat?n n? Kosov? > > > > > >Cilat ishin lidhjet e Renat?s me Beogradin? > > > >?far? detyre kishte marr? ajo nga Shainoviqi n?p?rmjet > >Lakoviqit gjat? q?ndrimit te Rugova? A ishte gjetur ajo aty > >rast?sisht si? do t? deklaroj?? N?se ishte rast?sisht, pse ajo > >do t? b?hej kok?fort? e rolit t? saj n? tentimin p?r krijimin e > >qeveris? marionete t? Rugov?s p?r t?u b?r? artikuluese e > >interesave t? shqitpar?ve? > > > >Shkruan: Jakup Krasniqi > > > > >(Autori ?sht? sekretar i PPDK-s?) >----------------------------------------------- >FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com >Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From bresta at email.com Thu Apr 20 04:21:31 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 20 04:21:31 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje ndodhi e shkurter Message-ID: <379849498.956218889710.JavaMail.root@web07.pub01> Fort me andje e kendova ket anekdote, bile mbas zgjidhjes perfundimtare, demek t'shpluemte e piktures e pata nji vegim qi po due me da me juve: Bash prita qi gomari ka pase fetyren e Thomas Jeffersonit ndersa stema e Republikes trade markun e Coca Colaes. Asgjamangut jam megjithate i bindun qi dallimi mes t'nenshtruemvet t'Alfonsit (apo t'nenshtruemvet t'cillitdo mbret a princ tjeter t'vocerr a t'madh) e elektoratit te nji republike asht ma i felle se qi e simbolizojke piktura, pra asht dashte me i krahasue me dy shtanze t'ndryshme. Po per qi hajvan se hajvan nuk p'e diskutojme. Alfonsi perndryshe, sado mbret i vocerr i nji mbretnie t'vocerr e ka pase n'trashigim tapine e principates se Skenderbegut, por fatkeqesisht kjo tapi ne administraten osmane s'ka vlejte as pese pare. bresta ------Original Message------ From: "Uk Lushi" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 19, 2000 6:25:03 PM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nje ndodhi e shkurter > >Alfonsi IV, mbreti i Napolit qe ne te vertete kishte qene nje principate e >vogel, therret nje dite te gjithe piktoret e oborrit te vet dhe i detyron >ata te gjenin me te mirin nder ta per te paraqitur mbreterimin e tij ne nje >pikture 4 metra me 4 metra. Shumica e oborrtareve si lakej qe ishin terhiqen >nga "madheshtia" te benin nje veper per sovranin ngase ai kishte kercnuar me >heqje koke autorin e kesaj vepre nese ai nuk do te mund te fuste krejt >principaten e tij ne ato 4 metra katrore. E gjejne nje piktor shetites qe e >pranon detyren sepse ishte lodhur nga jeta materialisht e keqe. Ai takon >diktatorin dhe zotohet se pas 6 muajsh do te kryente obligimin. E keshtu >kalojne ditet e muajt e vie ditat e paraqitjes se piktures. I perndritshmi >Alfonsi IV mbledh oborrin dhe ulet ne fron me piktorin dhe pikturen e >mbuluar qe pritej te inagurohej para tij dhe bashibozukeve perreth tij. >Hiqet perdja dhe c' te shihet- ne qender te punimit nje gomar me nje samar >ne shpine qe dallohet me stemen e principates se Alfonsit qe eshte duke >shikuar me joshje drejt nje samari tjeter ne toke me nje steme jo fort te >qarte por mjaft te qarte te duket se ishte stema e Republikes per te cilen >dergjeshin dhe ishin vrare me mija njerez. > >- Po cfare ke bere keshtu?- e pyet mbreti te shkretin artist- e di ti se do >te te shkoje koka! >- Naltmadhni, lejomeni te shpjegoj. Ky gomari ketu eshte populli nen >sundimin tend qe e kam paraqitur si samar. E sheh se si e veneron me pasion >ate samarin tjeter- eshte pushteti i Republikes. Gomari mendon se duke iu >nderruar samari ka shpetuar. ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From juniku at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 12:56:53 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Thu Apr 20 12:56:53 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten Message-ID: <20000420165646.88148.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: aalibali at law.harvard.edu >To: Albsa-info at alb-net.com >Subject: [ALBSA-Info] Nano per Eliten >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:32:38 -0400 > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List --------- > - ALBSA Web Site: http://www.albstudent.org - > >Pse s'b?het e gjall? elita shqiptare? >Nga Mustafa Nano > >Nj? pjes? lexuesish, sapo t? shohin titullin e k?tij shkrimi, do t? >mendojn? se >autori e >ngre mbrapsht ??shtjen, pasi -sipas tyre- egzistenca e k?saj elite duhet >v?n? n? >diskutim. P?r k?t? ata kan? argumenta t? panum?rt; dhe un? e di, ca prej >k?tyre >argumentave t? v?n? n? v?shtir?si, kur vjen puna q? je duke mbrojtur tez?n >e >kund?rt, >pra q? elita shqiptare ekziston. Megjithat? ka nj? kund?rargument. ?do >komunitet >njer?zish bart brenda vetes kremin e vet intelektual, gj? q? na b?n t? >mendojm? >se >edhe shoq?ria shqiptare nuk b?n p?rjashtim. Esht? tjet?r gj?, n?se kremi >yn? >intelektual, i ballafaquar me at? t? shoq?rive t? tjera m? t? qytet?ruara, >mund >t? mos >na i mbush? syrin e mendjen, mund t? na shfaqet i ndotur prej >provincializmit, >shpesh >mund t? na ngjaj? me nj? krem t? prishur q? bie era thartir?, e ku di un? >se >?far? >tjet?r, por kjo nuk do t? thot?, se brenda shoq?ris? shqiptare nuk gjendet >nj? >shtres? >a nj? kategori njer?zish leht?sisht e dallueshme prej kallaball?kut, prej >turmave >mend?risht e kulturalisht nj?ngjyr?she. Kjo shtres? q?ndron prore sip?r, >s'ka >gj? se >p?rgjith?sisht p?rfaq?son besnik?risht at? q? ?sht? posht?. Me fjal? t? >tjera, >n?se >shoq?ria shqiptare ?sht? kjo q? ?sht?, elita e saj nuk mund t? jet? e >krahasueshme me >at? italiane, gjermane, franceze, angleze, etj. Megjithat? e p?rs?ris, kjo >n? >instanc? t? >fundit ?sht? elit?, ?sht? elita e shqiptar?ve, dhe k?ta t? fundit, >shqiptar?t >pra, nuk kan? >arsye t? mendojn? se jan? pa t?, aq m? pak kan? arsye, q? t? pak?naqur si? >jan?, >ngaq? nuk kan? se kund?r kujt t? shfryjn?, t'i derdhen asaj q? mbahet me t? >madh, q? >k?mb?ngul t? mos nj?jt?sohet me vulgun, duke arritur deri atje sa t? >shprehin >panevoj?n p?r t?. >Ka shum? shqiptar?, t? cil?t klasifikohen apo vetklasifikohen si >p?rfaq?sues t? >elit?s, e >t? cil?t mendojn? se ve? e ve? mund t? hahen gjith? dit?n me kushurinjt? e >tyre >(n? >linj? truri, jo n? linj? gjaku) jo shqiptar?. P?r k?t? t? rr?fejn? >historira pa >mbarim, >thelbi i t? cilave mund t? shprehet pak a shum? k?shtu: Jam takuar me aksh >intelektual >t? Parisit, t? Rom?s, t? Londr?s, dhe e kam ndjer? veten t? barabart? me >ta, n? >mos i >kam magjepsur me ?far? di mbi bot?n, mbi kultur?n, mbi historin?, mbi >politik?n. >Nj? >gj? e till? mund t? q?lloj? t? jet? e v?rtet?, megjith?se shpesh magjepsja >e t? >huajve >nuk vjen prej asaj q? m?sojn? prej nesh, por p?r nj? fakt m? t? thjesht?. >Ata >shohin >nj? diferenc? t? madhe midis imazhit p?r ne n? p?rgjith?si, i cili ?sht? >krijuar >n? ato >rrug? e p?r ato shkaqe q? dim?, dhe asaj q? ofrojn? shqiptar? t? ve?ant? q? >udh?tojn? si qytetar? dinjitoz? n?p?r Europ?, q? ftohen n?p?r konferenca, >simpoziume, q? flasin n? disa gjuh? t? huaja, q? din? t? sillen, q? din? t? >prezantohen, >q? din? t'i ofrojn? di?ka ve?ant?risht origjinale nj? auditori a nj? >audience >joshqiptare, >etj, etj. Af?rmendsh pra, kjo nuk ?sht? ndonj? magjepsje q? vjen >domosdoshm?risht >prej m?nyr?s se si ndri?ojn? shqiptar?t me mendjen e kultur?n e tyre. >Madje, >shum? >rrall? q?llon q? ?sht? k?shtu. Nd?rsa r?ndom, duke ju rikthyer shpjegimit >t? >disa >rreshtave m? sip?r, duhet th?n? se kemi t? b?jm? me nj? kuturisje paksa t? >mundimshme e t? sforcuar t? t? huajve p?r t? luajtur me eleganc?, stil e >mir?sjellje, >rolin e t? habiturit e kureshtarit: "Ah, ju jeni shqiptar? Sa mir?! Po >?'dreqin >b?ni atje n? >vendin tuaj, q? s'ju ecin pun?t?" Sigurisht, kjo hab? nuk ?sht? nj? >mir?sjellje >e shtirur e >aq. Shqiptar?t e men?ur, edhe kur nuk kan? kapacitetin p?r t? ndri?uar, >kan? >fakultetin p?r t? thithur rreze. Kjo nuk ?sht? pak. Me k?t? nuk dua t? them >megjithat?, >se t? huajt t? hutojn? e t? l?n? goj?hapur n? ?do rast me at? q? din?; as >kjo >nuk ?sht? >e v?rtet?. Madje forca e charm-i i elitave t? vendeve t? tjera nuk q?ndron >n? >k?t? >pik?, aq sa q?ndron gjetk?. >Pik?risht k?tu ?sht? vendi t? b?jm? nj? diskutim t? vog?l, p?r t'iu >p?rgjigjur >k?shtu >pyetjes se ?far? i mungon esencialisht elit?s shqiptare, edhe n? rastin kur >pranojm? se >intelektualisht e kulturalisht ajo nuk bie posht? t? huajve, q? pak m? >sip?r i >quajt?m >kushurinj t? tyre. K?tu, p?r t'iu shmangur p?rfundimeve d?shp?ruese e >pesimiste, >po >harrojm? apo injorojm? faktin, q? kjo elit? ?sht? pjell? e k?tij populli >apo >k?tij >komuniteti, me t? cilin jep e merr, e kusht?zon e kusht?zohet prej tij, e >t?rheq >zvarr? >at? e t?rhiqet zvarr? po prej tij, bile ca m? shum? n? rastin e dyt?. Le ta >gjykojm? p?r >nj? moment elit?n ton?, duke n?nvizuar ato "s?mundje" t? saj, q? nuk kan? >lidhje >me >p?rcaktorin q? i ngjitet nga prapa: shqiptare. >Para s? gjithash, elita shqiptare nuk po arrin t? b?j? t? vetat disa vlera >bazilare t? >qytet?rimit per?ndimor, nuk po arrin ta vendos? veten si nj? korpus i vet?m >mbi >k?t? >bazament vlerash, mbi t? cilin t? zhvillohet pastaj i gjith? debati >kulturor, >artistik, >politik, etj. Cilat jan? k?to vlera? Ja p. sh., nj? shoq?ri civile e >organizon >bashk?jetes?n mbi baz?n e rregullave, t? cil?t, me t'u vendosur, nuk mund >t? >shkelen. >N?se dikush i shkel, duhet t? krijohet imediatisht solidariteti elitar >kund?r >tij. Ose >tjet?r, n? demokraci gjithkush ka t? drejt? t? shpreh? opinionin e vet, dhe >rrjedhimisht >askush nuk ka t? drejt? t? etiketoj? bart?sit e k?tyre opinioneve si armiq, >tradh?tar?, >t? shitur, t? posht?r, duke p?rjashtuar k?tu rastet kur, s? pari opinionet >nuk >ngrihen >mbi sistemin e vlerave, p?r t? cilat po flasim, e s? dyti kur nj? person >ngrihet >deklarativisht e n? m?nyr? t? tro?t? kund?r interesave t? komunitetit, t? >cilit >i p?rket. >Ndryshe, kund?r atyre, q? t? etiketuarit e kan? shnd?rruar n? zanat, duhet >t? >ngrihemi >t? gjith? n? k?mb?, jo p?r t'i lin?uar, por p?r t'u th?n?, se me >strategjin? e >p?rjashtimit >(etiketime t? tilla synojn? p?rjashtimin, apo jo?) nuk mund t? ket? as >demokraci, as >bashk?jetes?. Ose tjet?r, demokracia nuk mund t? kuptohet pa debat, nd?rsa >nga >ana >e vet, debati ?sht? ballafaqim idesh e vizionesh, e jo shk?mbim akuzash e >sharjesh t? >ul?ta, q? l?shohen nga llogore t? ndara nj?her? e mir?. Ose tjet?r, partit? >politike jan? >bashkime vullnetare njer?zish, dhe askush nuk ka t? drejt? t'i kthej? >partit? n? >banda >apo klane n? sh?rbim t? nj? personi apo t? nj? grupi personash, e n? k?t? >pik?, >vet?m >t? kqyr?sh ?sht? e pafalshme. K?shtu mund t? vazhdojm? gjat?, p?r t? >konkluduar >m? >n? fund se elita shqiptare ka mbetur sehirxhesh?, dhe un? nuk di m?kat m? >t? >madh >p?r nj? elit?, se sa n? rastin ku ajo vet?m b?n sehir. >Si? shihet, jam duke k?rkuar e nxitur nj? elit? t? angazhuar, duke rihapur >me >k?t? nj? >debat t? vjet?r e t? lasht?, s'ka gj? se e di, q? kjo tez? nuk gjen shum? >partizan? >k?tejpari. Ndoshta edhe n? vende t? tjera kjo tez? ?sht? e diskutueshme e >pa >mb?shtetje, por n?se ?sht? v?rtet k?shtu, ja tek kemi m? n? fund nj? tabiat >per?ndimor q? nuk duhet imituar. Ndryshe, Shqip?ria do t? mbetet n? duar t? >atyre, >q? po e mjelin pa m?shir? si nj? lop? t? dikujt tjet?r. N? k?to rrethana, >t? >rrish >m?njan? e t? sodit?sh, nuk mund t? shihet thjesht si nj? mod?, si nj? >sjellje >interesante, >si nj? gjetje intelektuale q? t? blaton komfort; p?rkundrazi, komforti n? >k?t? >rast ?sht? >nj? vetg?njim i trishtuar e trishtues. >P?r ta b?r? b?r? angazhimin nj? kauz? t? intelektual?ve shqiptar?, nuk >?sht? e >nevojshme t? th?rresim n? ndihm? modele intelektual?sh t? huaj, as >Jean-Paul >Sartre-in, i cili n? librin e tij "Q?nia dhe hi?i", nd?rsa synon t? >rikonsideroj? konceptin >e liris?, thot?: "Liria ?sht? lir? p?r t? zgjedhur, por jo lir? p?r t? mos >zgjedhur, s'ka gj? >se t? mos zgjedh?sh, n? fakt, do t? thot? t? zgjedh?sh t? moszgjedhurit." >(Ky >shkrimtar e filozof ekzistencialist francez arrin t? bezdiset edhe prej >q?ndrimeve q? >mbajt?n Honor? de Balzac e Gustave Flaubert, i pari lidhur me ngjarjet e >vitit >1848, >nd?rsa i dyti lidhur me revolucionin francez. Ai nuk mund ta kuptonte "t? >ndenjurit >m?njan?"). >Por si? thash? m? sip?r, nuk ?sht? e nevojshme t? k?rkojm? t? till? shembuj >inspirues. >N? Shqip?ri ka nevoj? p?r nj? "participation" t? nj? lloji tjet?r. Nuk >?sht? e >th?n?, q? >elita e k?tushme t? angazhohet politikisht, por ?sht? e pafalshme, q? ajo >t? mos >e thot? >nj? fjal?, t? zbythet e t? struket p?rball? maskarenjve q? po na e b?jn? >k?t? >vend t? >pabanuesh?m. P?rse t? vetp?lqyerit intelektual? shqiptar? heshtin tek >ballafaqohen me >gjuh?n e dhunshme t? politik?s e t? politikan?ve, tek ballafaqohen me >arbitraritetin e >ca kodosh?ve t? vegj?l, t? cil?t lozin me pushtetin, a thua se ky i fundit >?sht? >nj? lod?r >e bler? n? dyqanin m? t? par?, tek shohin q? nga ekranet e disa televioneve >t? >ngritur >prej kontrabandist?sh villet vrer e mashtrohet, tek shohin q? k?to >televizione >keqp?rdoren prej politikan?sh t? pafytyr? e prej gazetar?sh ?apa?ul?, tek >shohin >q? >turmat e g?njyera shkojn? pas nj? njeriu, q? nuk ofron gj? tjet?r, ve?se >ruspa e >sloganin "vdekje, vdekje, vdekje", tek shohin q? nj? pjes? e pushtetar?ve >t? >sot?m >nuk e kan? mendjen t? qeverisin, por t? vjedhin, tek shohin q? komunikimi >politik >midis pal?ve t? k?tushme ?sht? l?n? n? dor? t? nj? gjermani, i cili, nd?rsa >v? >duart n? >kok? prej tmerrit sa her? del prej takimeve me shefat e partive tona, me >siguri >thot?: >"O zot, si nuk arrij ta kuptoj keqkuptimin e k?tush?m!", tek shohin q? at?, >elit?n e >shqiptar?ve, jo vet?m nuk e pyet askush, por e fyejn?, e posht?rojn?, etj, >etj? >E pra, >mund t? heshtet n? k?to rrethana? >N? m?nyr? t? p?rmbledhur, ka dy arsye q? ndodh k?shtu. S? pari, elita >shqiptare, >ashtu si t? gjith? banor?t e tjer? t? k?tij vendi, ?sht? e detyruar t? >rropatet >p?r t? >mbijetuar. Sipas nj? logjike t? k?tushme kolektive, t? hesht?sh apo t? >shitesh >n? k?to >kushte, nuk p?rb?n ndonj? m?kat kushedi se ?far?. Esht? v?rtet k?shtu? Hm! >S? >dyti, >prej disa vitesh ?sht? krijuar nj? klim? terrorizuese. E v?rteta apo t? >v?rtetat >vet?m >mund t? p?shp?riten. Ndryshe, nuk ?sht? e tep?rt t? thuhet se mund t? t? >ik? >edhe >koka. Klasa politike e sotme, pasi ka b?r? shum? zullume, nuk ka rrug? >tjet?r >p?r t'u >mbrojtur, ve?se t? shnd?rrohet n? nj? klas? politike banditeske, d.m.th. t? >k?rc?noj? >k?do q? guxon t? thot? m? tep?r se sa duhet. Dhe ata, intelektual?t, ose >heshtin, ose >gjejn? rrug?t p?r ta braktisur k?t? vend. Kan? t? drejt?? >Jo! Nj?mij? her? jo! Gjithkush mund t? ket? t? drejt?, por jo ata. Ata jan? >fajtor?. >Jan? fajtor? pik?risht sepse nuk b?jn? asgj?. T? mos b?sh asgj? ?sht? nj? >alibi >fantastike p?r gjithk?nd, por jo p?r nj? elit?. P?r k?t? t? fundit, t? >rrish >m?njan? e t? >b?sh sehir ?sht? prov? e fajit. > > > >_______________________________________________________ >ALBSA-Info mailing list: ALBSA-Info at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/albsa-info ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From besnikh at yahoo.com Thu Apr 20 15:24:30 2000 From: besnikh at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?besnik=20hashani?=) Date: Thu Apr 20 15:24:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <20000420192353.13023.qmail@web3201.mail.yahoo.com> Valla Brest ki te drejt. Tash per tash eshte ma mire me e pas ni president qi sbon kurgjo se ai qi bon ma shume sher se hajr. Burim, pajtohem me argumentet e tua, pervec asaj qe nuk e ke cek qe, po mos te ishte Rugova me politiken e tij paqesore ne skenen politike ne vitet e hershme te '90, sot Kosova do te kishte 10 fish ma shume viktima lufte dhe ndoshta sot e kesaj dite ushtria serbe do te ishte ne Kosove. Per te arsyetuar kete mendim nuk duhet nje analize e gjere, vetem duhet ti kthehemi Bosnjes. Deri sa shtetet aleate morren mend shkoje gati gjysa e popullates myslimane ne Bosnje dhe ne fund serbet i fituan territoret te cilat kishin mese 80% popullate myslimane (Srebrenica). Nese ne ate momente kishte filluar lufta guerile ne Kosove serbet ne Dejton do te kishin se paku gjysmen e Kosoves nese jo tere Kosoven me ndonifar statusi te imponuar nga shtetet aleate te Natos ku jurisdikcionin mbi Kosoven perseri do ta kishte Beogradi. Ne Dejton,SHBA dhe aleatet e saj evropian u dhane edhe nje shanse Millosheviqit, dhe e konsideronin ate "faktor te stabilitetit ne Ballkan". Hollbruku u dha serbeve me shume teritor serbve dhe me shume pavarsi sesa plani i Dejvid Ovenit dhe Sajrus Vensit. Jam i mendimit se e njejta gje do te kishte ndodhur me Kosoven. Mirepo ky skenar nuk u realizua per fat te mire. Pasi perfundoi lufta ne Bosnje dhe shtetet e jashtme e pane se cka po ndodhte ne Kosove ata moren perfundimin se Milosheviqit duhet te ndalet (pra e humbi statusin e "faktorit te stabilitetit ne Ballkan"). Ne kete moment edhe UCK-ja e filloi luften guerile dhe e shpejtoj me kete zgjidhjen e problemit te Kosoves. Jame i mendimit qe te dy palet: LDK-ja dhe UCK-ja kane merita te barabarta per fundin e luftes dhe clirimin e Kosoves (mos te harojme po ashtu se shume pjestare te LDK-se poashtu luftuan ne radhet e UCK). --- Shkumbin Brestovci wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Vallha beli, Burim i ki argumentet koxha t'forta. Me > kane Thaci i mencem t'kish pajtue kshilltar per > fushate elektorale. > > Seriozisht: Ma ha mendja qi nji politikan kosovar > duhet me qene o fort budalle o fort idealist o dyjat > bashke nese kandidon momentalisht kunder Brahimit. > Prandej po druej qi s'paku ne zgjedhjet e ardhshme > s'kemi me pase kenaqesine me pa nji kunderkandidat > serioz qi kish mujte me ia rrezikue votat Brahimit. > Arsyeja pse, kisha thane qindron edhe ne > mentalitetin e elektoratit, po edhe ne ate se > secilit njeri normal (pa dallim feje, kombesie, e > sfondi kulturor) i doket ma alternative e mire ai qi > s'ban kurgja, se ai tjetri qi ban ma shum sherr se > hajr. > > t'fala Syles > bresta > > >Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e > kish kalle krejt. > >Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe > prej jashtit e me marre > >'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e > kosoves... > >'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla > > > >me nderime > >Burimi > > >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me > modele te shteteve > >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por > problemi kryesor ne kosov > >ka > >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes > veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA > >nuk > >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se > KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha > >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh > keshtu nga xheloziz e partive > >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne > nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si > >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. > punen e ldks ne kosov e ka > >dobesue ppdk. > >tung me nderime I.HOTI > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > ----------------------------------------------- > FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com > Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From burimh at hotmail.com Thu Apr 20 16:17:28 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Thu Apr 20 16:17:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata Message-ID: <20000420201721.47890.qmail@hotmail.com> Besnik edhe une me ty po pajtohna, po deri dikund... Merita e Rugoves me parandalimin e luftes ne Kosove (dhe jone ngule Kroacia e Bosnja) kryhet... E masanej ia nise faza tjeter kur s'bohet kurgjo hiq. Nashta ma mire o kone me bo hiq kurgjo se me bo sherr... Ejvalla tetonve >From: besnik hashani >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:23:53 -0700 (PDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Valla Brest ki te drejt. >Tash per tash eshte ma mire me e pas ni president qi >sbon kurgjo se ai qi bon ma shume sher se hajr. >Burim, pajtohem me argumentet e tua, pervec asaj qe >nuk e ke cek qe, po mos te ishte Rugova me politiken e >tij paqesore ne skenen politike ne vitet e hershme te >'90, sot Kosova do te kishte 10 fish ma shume viktima >lufte dhe ndoshta sot e kesaj dite ushtria serbe do te >ishte ne Kosove. Per te arsyetuar kete mendim nuk >duhet nje analize e gjere, vetem duhet ti kthehemi >Bosnjes. Deri sa shtetet aleate morren mend shkoje >gati gjysa e popullates myslimane ne Bosnje dhe ne >fund serbet i fituan territoret te cilat kishin mese >80% popullate myslimane (Srebrenica). Nese ne ate >momente kishte filluar lufta guerile ne Kosove serbet >ne Dejton do te kishin se paku gjysmen e Kosoves nese >jo tere Kosoven me ndonifar statusi te imponuar nga >shtetet aleate te Natos ku jurisdikcionin mbi Kosoven >perseri do ta kishte Beogradi. Ne Dejton,SHBA dhe >aleatet e saj evropian u dhane edhe nje shanse >Millosheviqit, dhe e konsideronin ate "faktor te >stabilitetit ne Ballkan". Hollbruku u dha serbeve me >shume teritor serbve dhe me shume pavarsi sesa plani i >Dejvid Ovenit dhe Sajrus Vensit. Jam i mendimit se e >njejta gje do te kishte ndodhur me Kosoven. >Mirepo ky skenar nuk u realizua per fat te mire. Pasi >perfundoi lufta ne Bosnje dhe shtetet e jashtme e pane >se cka po ndodhte ne Kosove ata moren perfundimin se >Milosheviqit duhet te ndalet (pra e humbi statusin e >"faktorit te stabilitetit ne Ballkan"). Ne kete moment >edhe UCK-ja e filloi luften guerile dhe e shpejtoj me >kete zgjidhjen e problemit te Kosoves. >Jame i mendimit qe te dy palet: LDK-ja dhe UCK-ja kane >merita te barabarta per fundin e luftes dhe clirimin e >Kosoves (mos te harojme po ashtu se shume pjestare te >LDK-se poashtu luftuan ne radhet e UCK). > >--- Shkumbin Brestovci wrote: > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Vallha beli, Burim i ki argumentet koxha t'forta. Me > > kane Thaci i mencem t'kish pajtue kshilltar per > > fushate elektorale. > > > > Seriozisht: Ma ha mendja qi nji politikan kosovar > > duhet me qene o fort budalle o fort idealist o dyjat > > bashke nese kandidon momentalisht kunder Brahimit. > > Prandej po druej qi s'paku ne zgjedhjet e ardhshme > > s'kemi me pase kenaqesine me pa nji kunderkandidat > > serioz qi kish mujte me ia rrezikue votat Brahimit. > > Arsyeja pse, kisha thane qindron edhe ne > > mentalitetin e elektoratit, po edhe ne ate se > > secilit njeri normal (pa dallim feje, kombesie, e > > sfondi kulturor) i doket ma alternative e mire ai qi > > s'ban kurgja, se ai tjetri qi ban ma shum sherr se > > hajr. > > > > t'fala Syles > > bresta > > > > >Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e > > kish kalle krejt. > > >Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe > > prej jashtit e me marre > > >'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e > > kosoves... > > >'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla > > > > > >me nderime > > >Burimi > > > > >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me > > modele te shteteve > > >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por > > problemi kryesor ne kosov > > >ka > > >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes > > veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA > > >nuk > > >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se > > KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha > > >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh > > keshtu nga xheloziz e partive > > >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne > > nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si > > >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. > > punen e ldks ne kosov e ka > > >dobesue ppdk. > > >tung me nderime I.HOTI > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ----------------------------------------------- > > FREE! 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Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 20 18:11:45 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 20 18:11:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] situata References: <20000420201721.47890.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <004101bfab15$3eeac760$3f5c4382@sylo> Besnik, ti shkruajte: "..Pasi perfundoi lufta ne Bosnje dhe shtetet e jashtme e pane >se cka po ndodhte ne Kosove ata moren perfundimin se >Milosheviqit duhet te ndalet (pra e humbi statusin e >"faktorit te stabilitetit ne Ballkan"). Ne kete moment >edhe UCK-ja e filloi luften guerile dhe e shpejtoj me >kete zgjidhjen e problemit te Kosoves..." Une nuk pajtohem plotesisht me kete konstatim. Keto jane argumentet: 1) "Bota" nuk deshi te shoh se q'po ndodhte ne Kosove dhe nuk morren (automatikisht) ndonje perfundim se "Milosevici duhet te ndalet". Ai ishte vazhdimisht "faktor (disa e quanin, garantist) i stabilitetit ne Balkan". Situata ne KOsove, shihej si nje konflikt i shqiptareve me shtetin serb, reth te drejtave te shkolles ne gjuhen amtare,etj. Kerkesat e shqiptareve te Kosoves, thuhej se ishin per te drejta te shkollimit ne gjuhen amtare dhe vetqeverisje me te madhe. Ky ishte qendrimi i Bashkesise nderkombetare ne ato kohe per te cilat flet ti Besnik. Nuk ishte e vertete se Kosova, ishte ne QENDER te vemendjes te bashkesise nderkombetare, ose se perkrahej pavarsia e Kosoves, siq pohonte Rugova. Ne koherat pas Dejtonit, Milosevic, ishte ne nje proces te rehabilitimit. Serbise i hiqeshin sanksionet dhe iu qelshin dyert ne OSBE, keshill Europian, etj. Ishin keto kohera, kur ne mes te Milosevicit dhe udheheqesve te shqiptareve (Rugova & co.) te KOsoves, beheshin marrveshje per qeshtje te institucioneve arsimore. Keto hapa te pales shqipetare, kuptoheshin si sinjale te bashkjetes, ne mes te institucioneve rugovase me ato miloseviciane. 2) LDK-ja, (lexo: disa persona ne krye te LDK-se) edhe qe si "program" politik kishte angazhimin e (vetem) Bashkesise nderkombetare per zgjedhjen e qeshtjes se KOsoves, ata vepruan ne kundershtim me "politiken" e tyre. Dukej se ishte vete LDK-ja, ajo qe bllokonte sensibilizimin e qeshtjes se Kosoves, pasi bllokonin, qdo iniciative per "zgjuarjen e popullit nga gjumi". Per mosperfshirjen e Kosoves ne Dayton, duhet faleminderuar pikerisht LDK-ne. Paradoksalisht, si "pale te trete", ne bisedimet me Milosevicin, LDK-ja, perdorte nje shoqate katolike te Italise. Si do te angazhohej "bota" ne keto procese? Ku dhe kush ishte "bota"?? 3) Ishte ne kohen e statusit "quo" te Kosoves dhe ne kohen e procesit te reintegrimit te Serbise ne organizmat nderkombetare, UCK-ja si organizate, (me shume politike, se sa ushtarake) lindi dhe.... -nuk e shpejtoj procesin, por une do te thoja, e FILLOJ procesin e vertete per zgjidhjen e qeshtjes se Kosoves. Pasi qe nuk kishte ndonje proces. Gjithcka qe ndodhte shkonte ne favor te regjimit te Milosevicit. UCK-ja ka qene nje tragjedi e madhe per regjimin e Milosevicit. Ma merre mendja se ketu shumica do te pajtohet me mua. Eshte lehte per te kuptar se, pse serbet, kurre nuk preferun lideret e UCK-se per bisedime. Konkludimi im eshte: Ishte rezistenca e (grupeve te armatosura nen ombrellen e) UCK-se; ishte politika e menqur (gati gjithnje e pershtatshme me rethanat) e Shtabit te pergjithshem te UCK-se; ishte politika e pamenqur e Serbise (sulmet ushtarake mbi UCK-ne dhe popullsine e pafajshme); ishin interesat (eshte teme e gjate te identifikohen ato) dhe vendosshmeria e SHBA-se dhe vendeve perendimore, si dhe e opinionit publik ne perendim, qe e ndryshuan dukshem situaten, ne favor te popullit shqiptare te Kosoves. Katalizatore i drejtperdrejt, i te gjithave ishte UCK! Ata, filluan si nje grup i vogel dhe paten objektiva ambicioze. Vete emri i organizates, flet per ambicionet. UCK ia arriti qellimit...shume suksesshem...shume shpejt ! Eshte irrelavante se ciles parti i takonin individet, qe iu bashkangjiten UCK-se. Nuk ishin partite e tyre, por ishte UCK-ja, ajo qe i moblizoj ata. Imagjinoni, se si do te ishte situata tani, po te mos dilte UCK-ja ne skene dhe ta mobilzonte popullin e demoralizuar te Kosoves ?! Momentalisht ne Kosove, kemi te "verteta" te ndryshme, reth historise se clirimit te Kosoves. Prandaj, eshte shuuuume me rendesi qe kjo qeshtje te dikutohet, jo vetem ne gara elekrotale, por ne forume si ky, per te kontribuar per nje histori me reale dhe kvalitative, mbi ate se, si ariten shqiptaret e Kosoves ta fitojne lirine. Sylo Norvegji s t te gjendjes ne te cilen ishte Kosova dhe qeshtja e saje e pazgjidhur. Kurse sa i perket, Internvenimit te NATOs, do te shtoja se, perveq asaj qe thashe me larte, ----- Original Message ----- From: Burim Hana To: Sent: 20. april 2000 22:17 Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Besnik edhe une me ty po pajtohna, po deri dikund... > > Merita e Rugoves me parandalimin e luftes ne Kosove (dhe jone ngule Kroacia > e Bosnja) kryhet... > E masanej ia nise faza tjeter kur s'bohet kurgjo hiq. Nashta ma mire o kone > me bo hiq kurgjo se me bo sherr... > > Ejvalla tetonve > > > >From: besnik hashani > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:23:53 -0700 (PDT) > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Valla Brest ki te drejt. > >Tash per tash eshte ma mire me e pas ni president qi > >sbon kurgjo se ai qi bon ma shume sher se hajr. > >Burim, pajtohem me argumentet e tua, pervec asaj qe > >nuk e ke cek qe, po mos te ishte Rugova me politiken e > >tij paqesore ne skenen politike ne vitet e hershme te > >'90, sot Kosova do te kishte 10 fish ma shume viktima > >lufte dhe ndoshta sot e kesaj dite ushtria serbe do te > >ishte ne Kosove. Per te arsyetuar kete mendim nuk > >duhet nje analize e gjere, vetem duhet ti kthehemi > >Bosnjes. Deri sa shtetet aleate morren mend shkoje > >gati gjysa e popullates myslimane ne Bosnje dhe ne > >fund serbet i fituan territoret te cilat kishin mese > >80% popullate myslimane (Srebrenica). Nese ne ate > >momente kishte filluar lufta guerile ne Kosove serbet > >ne Dejton do te kishin se paku gjysmen e Kosoves nese > >jo tere Kosoven me ndonifar statusi te imponuar nga > >shtetet aleate te Natos ku jurisdikcionin mbi Kosoven > >perseri do ta kishte Beogradi. Ne Dejton,SHBA dhe > >aleatet e saj evropian u dhane edhe nje shanse > >Millosheviqit, dhe e konsideronin ate "faktor te > >stabilitetit ne Ballkan". Hollbruku u dha serbeve me > >shume teritor serbve dhe me shume pavarsi sesa plani i > >Dejvid Ovenit dhe Sajrus Vensit. Jam i mendimit se e > >njejta gje do te kishte ndodhur me Kosoven. > >Mirepo ky skenar nuk u realizua per fat te mire. Pasi > >perfundoi lufta ne Bosnje dhe shtetet e jashtme e pane > >se cka po ndodhte ne Kosove ata moren perfundimin se > >Milosheviqit duhet te ndalet (pra e humbi statusin e > >"faktorit te stabilitetit ne Ballkan"). Ne kete moment > >edhe UCK-ja e filloi luften guerile dhe e shpejtoj me > >kete zgjidhjen e problemit te Kosoves. > >Jame i mendimit qe te dy palet: LDK-ja dhe UCK-ja kane > >merita te barabarta per fundin e luftes dhe clirimin e > >Kosoves (mos te harojme po ashtu se shume pjestare te > >LDK-se poashtu luftuan ne radhet e UCK). > > > >--- Shkumbin Brestovci wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Vallha beli, Burim i ki argumentet koxha t'forta. Me > > > kane Thaci i mencem t'kish pajtue kshilltar per > > > fushate elektorale. > > > > > > Seriozisht: Ma ha mendja qi nji politikan kosovar > > > duhet me qene o fort budalle o fort idealist o dyjat > > > bashke nese kandidon momentalisht kunder Brahimit. > > > Prandej po druej qi s'paku ne zgjedhjet e ardhshme > > > s'kemi me pase kenaqesine me pa nji kunderkandidat > > > serioz qi kish mujte me ia rrezikue votat Brahimit. > > > Arsyeja pse, kisha thane qindron edhe ne > > > mentalitetin e elektoratit, po edhe ne ate se > > > secilit njeri normal (pa dallim feje, kombesie, e > > > sfondi kulturor) i doket ma alternative e mire ai qi > > > s'ban kurgja, se ai tjetri qi ban ma shum sherr se > > > hajr. > > > > > > t'fala Syles > > > bresta > > > > > > >Gjynah qi Kushneri s'pe len Rugoven me punue se e > > > kish kalle krejt. > > > >Qysh e ka kalle perpara, o dashte njerzte me ardhe > > > prej jashtit e me marre > > > >'kryetarin' me e qite me e vizitu popullin e > > > kosoves... > > > >'qirukuz' qi kish thone djali i mixhes tem Syla > > > > > > > >me nderime > > > >Burimi > > > > > > >From: IHoti12345 at aol.com > > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > > >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] situata > > > >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:59:11 EDT > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > > >Sipas mendimit tim etrit LDK asht parti e mir me > > > modele te shteteve > > > >evropiane.Dhe ka bere pun te mir per 10 vite.por > > > problemi kryesor ne kosov > > > >ka > > > >qen dhe asht se partit nuk bashkpunojn ne mes > > > veti.e ti si thua RUGOVA > > > >nuk > > > >po punon,ai nuk ka mundesi tash me punue ma shum se > > > KUSHNERI i ka te gjitha > > > >punet ne dor tash me UMNIKUN.ekjo pun ka ardh > > > keshtu nga xheloziz e partive > > > >tjera duke mos punuar njera me tjetren.psh, kur ne > > > nuk e njofim RUGOVEN si > > > >kryetar te KOSOVES ,qka presim ne nga te huajt. > > > punen e ldks ne kosov e ka > > > >dobesue ppdk. > > > >tung me nderime I.HOTI > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > >______________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free Email at > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > ----------------------------------------------- > > > FREE! 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Po qe se po, po ia jap adresen dhe ma nis nje leter shpej e shpejt. . . From bresta at email.com Fri Apr 21 01:27:02 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 21 01:27:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten Message-ID: <382742915.956268594541.JavaMail.root@web06.pub01> T'nderuem dashamire t'sportit e t'kultures, muj me ba be qi mue nuk m'ka ba vaki n'ymer temin me zatet n'nihilist qi e ka mohue ekzistencen e elites shqiptare. Mirepo po druej qi m'duhet me u rrefye para jush qi me daten 22.08.1998 e kam plasue ne web nji koment, i cilli ket elite ne mos gja tjeter s'pakut e merr neper goje. Ate mundeni me gjete ne: http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/6656/Skandali.html tekstin po jau percjelli ketu ne vijim: Skandali i madh Nga: Humberto R. Maturana / Francisco J. Varela, El ?rbol del concocimiento (1984), simbas botimit: Der Baum der Erkenntnis, Bern-M?nchen 1987 [marr? pa pvet? edhe nxjerr? prej konteksti] N? kopshtin zoologjik t? Bronxit n? New York ekziston nji paviljon i madh i ve?ant?, ku jan? strehue primat?t. K?tu munden me u kundrue n? kushte shum? t? volitshme shimpanzat, gorillat, gibonat e shum? lloje tjera majmunash prej t?na kontinenteve. Bjen n? sy nd?rkaq n? fund t? paviljonit nji kafaz krejt?sisht i izoluem prej tjervet e me grila jashtzakonisht t? forta. Tue i'u avit? del n? pah nji tabel?, n? t? cillen shkruen: "Primati m? i rreziksh?m i planetit". Po k?qyre mbrend?, i befasuem ke me pa f?tyren t?nde n? pasqyr?. Nji tabel? shpjegon, qi nj?ri p?r dallim prej t?na specieve tjera t? njoftuna i ka qit? fare plot lloje tjera t? gjallesave t? planet?s. Prej kundruesve shnd?rrohemi n? t? kundruem (prej vetvetes). Mir? po: ?ka shofim? (...) Komenti: ?sht fjala p?r t'nj?jt?n specie homo sapiens sapiens, e cilla si qenie rezonuese ka krijue vepra mahnit?se arkitektonike, artistike, letrare, sisteme abstrakte estetike, filosofike, politike, religjioze, qi nuk i mohon kurrkush, po relevanca e tyne n? kontekstin e m?sip?rm konvergon kah xeroja. Mu sikund?r edhe relevanca e kultur?s s? nalt? shqiptare, e cilla n? segmentaritetin e vet dishmon shum pak konvergenc? kah bashkoh?sia, zhduket krejt?sisht karshi gjendjes s? katandisun t? shoq?nis? shqiptare. P?r m? tep?r elita bart?se e k?saj kulture si p?r in?t nuk do me u emancipue prej "Rilindjes" e as me emancipue popullin prej "Kanunit" - prej nji stili t? jet?s, qi, n'kjoft? se ka nevoj? me e lokalizue historikisht, sigurisht ?sht m? af?r Koh?s s'gurit se Mesjet?s. N? Mesjet? shumica e masave popullore europiane kan? hjek? dor? prej "anarkis?" autonome "vetadministruese" me kode zakonore, tue i'u shtrue ligjeve e udh?hjekjes s? nji elite... edhe kur t'kihet parasysh, qi k?saj nd?rmarrjeje n?p?r Europ? e n'gjeti ia kan? dal? turli papakash, imponohet nji pasqyr? fort e ligsht p?r elit?n shqiptare. ------Original Message------ From: "Uk Lushi" To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Sent: April 20, 2000 4:56:46 PM GMT Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >From: aalibali at law.harvard.edu >To: Albsa-info at alb-net.com >Subject: [ALBSA-Info] Nano per Eliten >Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:32:38 -0400 > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List --------- > - ALBSA Web Site: http://www.albstudent.org - > >Pse s'b?het e gjall? elita shqiptare? >Nga Mustafa Nano > >Nj? pjes? lexuesish, sapo t? shohin titullin e k?tij shkrimi, do t? >mendojn? se >autori e >ngre mbrapsht ??shtjen, pasi -sipas tyre- egzistenca e k?saj elite duhet >v?n? n? >diskutim. P?r k?t? ata kan? argumenta t? panum?rt; dhe un? e di, ca prej >k?tyre >argumentave t? v?n? n? v?shtir?si, kur vjen puna q? je duke mbrojtur tez?n >e >kund?rt, >pra q? elita shqiptare ekziston. Megjithat? ka nj? kund?rargument. ?do >komunitet >njer?zish bart brenda vetes kremin e vet intelektual, gj? q? na b?n t? >mendojm? >se >edhe shoq?ria shqiptare nuk b?n p?rjashtim. Esht? tjet?r gj?, n?se kremi >yn? >intelektual, i ballafaquar me at? t? shoq?rive t? tjera m? t? qytet?ruara, >mund >t? mos >na i mbush? syrin e mendjen, mund t? na shfaqet i ndotur prej >provincializmit, >shpesh >mund t? na ngjaj? me nj? krem t? prishur q? bie era thartir?, e ku di un? >se >?far? >tjet?r, por kjo nuk do t? thot?, se brenda shoq?ris? shqiptare nuk gjendet >nj? >shtres? >a nj? kategori njer?zish leht?sisht e dallueshme prej kallaball?kut, prej >turmave >mend?risht e kulturalisht nj?ngjyr?she. Kjo shtres? q?ndron prore sip?r, >s'ka >gj? se >p?rgjith?sisht p?rfaq?son besnik?risht at? q? ?sht? posht?. Me fjal? t? >tjera, >n?se >shoq?ria shqiptare ?sht? kjo q? ?sht?, elita e saj nuk mund t? jet? e >krahasueshme me >at? italiane, gjermane, franceze, angleze, etj. Megjithat? e p?rs?ris, kjo >n? >instanc? t? >fundit ?sht? elit?, ?sht? elita e shqiptar?ve, dhe k?ta t? fundit, >shqiptar?t >pra, nuk kan? >arsye t? mendojn? se jan? pa t?, aq m? pak kan? arsye, q? t? pak?naqur si? >jan?, >ngaq? nuk kan? se kund?r kujt t? shfryjn?, t'i derdhen asaj q? mbahet me t? >madh, q? >k?mb?ngul t? mos nj?jt?sohet me vulgun, duke arritur deri atje sa t? >shprehin >panevoj?n p?r t?. >Ka shum? shqiptar?, t? cil?t klasifikohen apo vetklasifikohen si >p?rfaq?sues t? >elit?s, e >t? cil?t mendojn? se ve? e ve? mund t? hahen gjith? dit?n me kushurinjt? e >tyre >(n? >linj? truri, jo n? linj? gjaku) jo shqiptar?. P?r k?t? t? rr?fejn? >historira pa >mbarim, >thelbi i t? cilave mund t? shprehet pak a shum? k?shtu: Jam takuar me aksh >intelektual >t? Parisit, t? Rom?s, t? Londr?s, dhe e kam ndjer? veten t? barabart? me >ta, n? >mos i >kam magjepsur me ?far? di mbi bot?n, mbi kultur?n, mbi historin?, mbi >politik?n. >Nj? >gj? e till? mund t? q?lloj? t? jet? e v?rtet?, megjith?se shpesh magjepsja >e t? >huajve >nuk vjen prej asaj q? m?sojn? prej nesh, por p?r nj? fakt m? t? thjesht?. >Ata >shohin >nj? diferenc? t? madhe midis imazhit p?r ne n? p?rgjith?si, i cili ?sht? >krijuar >n? ato >rrug? e p?r ato shkaqe q? dim?, dhe asaj q? ofrojn? shqiptar? t? ve?ant? q? >udh?tojn? si qytetar? dinjitoz? n?p?r Europ?, q? ftohen n?p?r konferenca, >simpoziume, q? flasin n? disa gjuh? t? huaja, q? din? t? sillen, q? din? t? >prezantohen, >q? din? t'i ofrojn? di?ka ve?ant?risht origjinale nj? auditori a nj? >audience >joshqiptare, >etj, etj. Af?rmendsh pra, kjo nuk ?sht? ndonj? magjepsje q? vjen >domosdoshm?risht >prej m?nyr?s se si ndri?ojn? shqiptar?t me mendjen e kultur?n e tyre. >Madje, >shum? >rrall? q?llon q? ?sht? k?shtu. Nd?rsa r?ndom, duke ju rikthyer shpjegimit >t? >disa >rreshtave m? sip?r, duhet th?n? se kemi t? b?jm? me nj? kuturisje paksa t? >mundimshme e t? sforcuar t? t? huajve p?r t? luajtur me eleganc?, stil e >mir?sjellje, >rolin e t? habiturit e kureshtarit: "Ah, ju jeni shqiptar? Sa mir?! Po >?'dreqin >b?ni atje n? >vendin tuaj, q? s'ju ecin pun?t?" Sigurisht, kjo hab? nuk ?sht? nj? >mir?sjellje >e shtirur e >aq. Shqiptar?t e men?ur, edhe kur nuk kan? kapacitetin p?r t? ndri?uar, >kan? >fakultetin p?r t? thithur rreze. Kjo nuk ?sht? pak. Me k?t? nuk dua t? them >megjithat?, >se t? huajt t? hutojn? e t? l?n? goj?hapur n? ?do rast me at? q? din?; as >kjo >nuk ?sht? >e v?rtet?. Madje forca e charm-i i elitave t? vendeve t? tjera nuk q?ndron >n? >k?t? >pik?, aq sa q?ndron gjetk?. >Pik?risht k?tu ?sht? vendi t? b?jm? nj? diskutim t? vog?l, p?r t'iu >p?rgjigjur >k?shtu >pyetjes se ?far? i mungon esencialisht elit?s shqiptare, edhe n? rastin kur >pranojm? se >intelektualisht e kulturalisht ajo nuk bie posht? t? huajve, q? pak m? >sip?r i >quajt?m >kushurinj t? tyre. K?tu, p?r t'iu shmangur p?rfundimeve d?shp?ruese e >pesimiste, >po >harrojm? apo injorojm? faktin, q? kjo elit? ?sht? pjell? e k?tij populli >apo >k?tij >komuniteti, me t? cilin jep e merr, e kusht?zon e kusht?zohet prej tij, e >t?rheq >zvarr? >at? e t?rhiqet zvarr? po prej tij, bile ca m? shum? n? rastin e dyt?. Le ta >gjykojm? p?r >nj? moment elit?n ton?, duke n?nvizuar ato "s?mundje" t? saj, q? nuk kan? >lidhje >me >p?rcaktorin q? i ngjitet nga prapa: shqiptare. >Para s? gjithash, elita shqiptare nuk po arrin t? b?j? t? vetat disa vlera >bazilare t? >qytet?rimit per?ndimor, nuk po arrin ta vendos? veten si nj? korpus i vet?m >mbi >k?t? >bazament vlerash, mbi t? cilin t? zhvillohet pastaj i gjith? debati >kulturor, >artistik, >politik, etj. Cilat jan? k?to vlera? Ja p. sh., nj? shoq?ri civile e >organizon >bashk?jetes?n mbi baz?n e rregullave, t? cil?t, me t'u vendosur, nuk mund >t? >shkelen. >N?se dikush i shkel, duhet t? krijohet imediatisht solidariteti elitar >kund?r >tij. Ose >tjet?r, n? demokraci gjithkush ka t? drejt? t? shpreh? opinionin e vet, dhe >rrjedhimisht >askush nuk ka t? drejt? t? etiketoj? bart?sit e k?tyre opinioneve si armiq, >tradh?tar?, >t? shitur, t? posht?r, duke p?rjashtuar k?tu rastet kur, s? pari opinionet >nuk >ngrihen >mbi sistemin e vlerave, p?r t? cilat po flasim, e s? dyti kur nj? person >ngrihet >deklarativisht e n? m?nyr? t? tro?t? kund?r interesave t? komunitetit, t? >cilit >i p?rket. >Ndryshe, kund?r atyre, q? t? etiketuarit e kan? shnd?rruar n? zanat, duhet >t? >ngrihemi >t? gjith? n? k?mb?, jo p?r t'i lin?uar, por p?r t'u th?n?, se me >strategjin? e >p?rjashtimit >(etiketime t? tilla synojn? p?rjashtimin, apo jo?) nuk mund t? ket? as >demokraci, as >bashk?jetes?. Ose tjet?r, demokracia nuk mund t? kuptohet pa debat, nd?rsa >nga >ana >e vet, debati ?sht? ballafaqim idesh e vizionesh, e jo shk?mbim akuzash e >sharjesh t? >ul?ta, q? l?shohen nga llogore t? ndara nj?her? e mir?. Ose tjet?r, partit? >politike jan? >bashkime vullnetare njer?zish, dhe askush nuk ka t? drejt? t'i kthej? >partit? n? >banda >apo klane n? sh?rbim t? nj? personi apo t? nj? grupi personash, e n? k?t? >pik?, >vet?m >t? kqyr?sh ?sht? e pafalshme. K?shtu mund t? vazhdojm? gjat?, p?r t? >konkluduar >m? >n? fund se elita shqiptare ka mbetur sehirxhesh?, dhe un? nuk di m?kat m? >t? >madh >p?r nj? elit?, se sa n? rastin ku ajo vet?m b?n sehir. >Si? shihet, jam duke k?rkuar e nxitur nj? elit? t? angazhuar, duke rihapur >me >k?t? nj? >debat t? vjet?r e t? lasht?, s'ka gj? se e di, q? kjo tez? nuk gjen shum? >partizan? >k?tejpari. Ndoshta edhe n? vende t? tjera kjo tez? ?sht? e diskutueshme e >pa >mb?shtetje, por n?se ?sht? v?rtet k?shtu, ja tek kemi m? n? fund nj? tabiat >per?ndimor q? nuk duhet imituar. Ndryshe, Shqip?ria do t? mbetet n? duar t? >atyre, >q? po e mjelin pa m?shir? si nj? lop? t? dikujt tjet?r. N? k?to rrethana, >t? >rrish >m?njan? e t? sodit?sh, nuk mund t? shihet thjesht si nj? mod?, si nj? >sjellje >interesante, >si nj? gjetje intelektuale q? t? blaton komfort; p?rkundrazi, komforti n? >k?t? >rast ?sht? >nj? vetg?njim i trishtuar e trishtues. >P?r ta b?r? b?r? angazhimin nj? kauz? t? intelektual?ve shqiptar?, nuk >?sht? e >nevojshme t? th?rresim n? ndihm? modele intelektual?sh t? huaj, as >Jean-Paul >Sartre-in, i cili n? librin e tij "Q?nia dhe hi?i", nd?rsa synon t? >rikonsideroj? konceptin >e liris?, thot?: "Liria ?sht? lir? p?r t? zgjedhur, por jo lir? p?r t? mos >zgjedhur, s'ka gj? >se t? mos zgjedh?sh, n? fakt, do t? thot? t? zgjedh?sh t? moszgjedhurit." >(Ky >shkrimtar e filozof ekzistencialist francez arrin t? bezdiset edhe prej >q?ndrimeve q? >mbajt?n Honor? de Balzac e Gustave Flaubert, i pari lidhur me ngjarjet e >vitit >1848, >nd?rsa i dyti lidhur me revolucionin francez. Ai nuk mund ta kuptonte "t? >ndenjurit >m?njan?"). >Por si? thash? m? sip?r, nuk ?sht? e nevojshme t? k?rkojm? t? till? shembuj >inspirues. >N? Shqip?ri ka nevoj? p?r nj? "participation" t? nj? lloji tjet?r. Nuk >?sht? e >th?n?, q? >elita e k?tushme t? angazhohet politikisht, por ?sht? e pafalshme, q? ajo >t? mos >e thot? >nj? fjal?, t? zbythet e t? struket p?rball? maskarenjve q? po na e b?jn? >k?t? >vend t? >pabanuesh?m. P?rse t? vetp?lqyerit intelektual? shqiptar? heshtin tek >ballafaqohen me >gjuh?n e dhunshme t? politik?s e t? politikan?ve, tek ballafaqohen me >arbitraritetin e >ca kodosh?ve t? vegj?l, t? cil?t lozin me pushtetin, a thua se ky i fundit >?sht? >nj? lod?r >e bler? n? dyqanin m? t? par?, tek shohin q? nga ekranet e disa televioneve >t? >ngritur >prej kontrabandist?sh villet vrer e mashtrohet, tek shohin q? k?to >televizione >keqp?rdoren prej politikan?sh t? pafytyr? e prej gazetar?sh ?apa?ul?, tek >shohin >q? >turmat e g?njyera shkojn? pas nj? njeriu, q? nuk ofron gj? tjet?r, ve?se >ruspa e >sloganin "vdekje, vdekje, vdekje", tek shohin q? nj? pjes? e pushtetar?ve >t? >sot?m >nuk e kan? mendjen t? qeverisin, por t? vjedhin, tek shohin q? komunikimi >politik >midis pal?ve t? k?tushme ?sht? l?n? n? dor? t? nj? gjermani, i cili, nd?rsa >v? >duart n? >kok? prej tmerrit sa her? del prej takimeve me shefat e partive tona, me >siguri >thot?: >"O zot, si nuk arrij ta kuptoj keqkuptimin e k?tush?m!", tek shohin q? at?, >elit?n e >shqiptar?ve, jo vet?m nuk e pyet askush, por e fyejn?, e posht?rojn?, etj, >etj? >E pra, >mund t? heshtet n? k?to rrethana? >N? m?nyr? t? p?rmbledhur, ka dy arsye q? ndodh k?shtu. S? pari, elita >shqiptare, >ashtu si t? gjith? banor?t e tjer? t? k?tij vendi, ?sht? e detyruar t? >rropatet >p?r t? >mbijetuar. Sipas nj? logjike t? k?tushme kolektive, t? hesht?sh apo t? >shitesh >n? k?to >kushte, nuk p?rb?n ndonj? m?kat kushedi se ?far?. Esht? v?rtet k?shtu? Hm! >S? >dyti, >prej disa vitesh ?sht? krijuar nj? klim? terrorizuese. E v?rteta apo t? >v?rtetat >vet?m >mund t? p?shp?riten. Ndryshe, nuk ?sht? e tep?rt t? thuhet se mund t? t? >ik? >edhe >koka. Klasa politike e sotme, pasi ka b?r? shum? zullume, nuk ka rrug? >tjet?r >p?r t'u >mbrojtur, ve?se t? shnd?rrohet n? nj? klas? politike banditeske, d.m.th. t? >k?rc?noj? >k?do q? guxon t? thot? m? tep?r se sa duhet. Dhe ata, intelektual?t, ose >heshtin, ose >gjejn? rrug?t p?r ta braktisur k?t? vend. Kan? t? drejt?? >Jo! Nj?mij? her? jo! Gjithkush mund t? ket? t? drejt?, por jo ata. Ata jan? >fajtor?. >Jan? fajtor? pik?risht sepse nuk b?jn? asgj?. T? mos b?sh asgj? ?sht? nj? >alibi >fantastike p?r gjithk?nd, por jo p?r nj? elit?. P?r k?t? t? fundit, t? >rrish >m?njan? e t? >b?sh sehir ?sht? prov? e fajit. > > > >_______________________________________________________ >ALBSA-Info mailing list: ALBSA-Info at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/albsa-info ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From juniku at hotmail.com Fri Apr 21 01:49:46 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Fri Apr 21 01:49:46 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten Message-ID: <20000421054936.69346.qmail@hotmail.com> Worauf will Shkumbin Brestovci hinaus?!!! >From: Shkumbin Brestovci >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: RE: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten >Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:09:54 -0400 (EDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >T'nderuem dashamire t'sportit e t'kultures, !!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >muj me ba be qi mue nuk m'ka ba vaki n'ymer temin me zatet n'nihilist qi e >ka mohue ekzistencen e elites shqiptare. Mirepo po druej qi m'duhet me u >rrefye para jush qi me daten 22.08.1998 VIZIONARI! ANTIKRISHTI SHQIPTAR! e kam plasue ne web nji koment, i cilli ket elite ne mos gja tjeter s'pakut e merr neper goje. Ate mundeni me gjete ne: >http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/6656/Skandali.html > >tekstin po jau percjelli ketu ne vijim: > >Skandali i madh > >Nga: Humberto R. Maturana / Francisco J. Varela, El ?rbol del concocimiento >(1984), simbas botimit: Der Baum der Erkenntnis, A E DI SHKUMBIN BRESTOVCI CDO TE THOTE DER BAUM DER ERKENNTNIS? Bern-M?nchen 1987 [marr? pa pvet? edhe nxjerr? prej konteksti] KONTEKST NXJERRESI- DJEGESI I SHTRIGAVE > >N? kopshtin zoologjik t? Bronxit n? New York ekziston nji paviljon i madh i >ve?ant?, ku jan? strehue primat?t. K?tu munden me u kundrue n? kushte shum? >t? volitshme shimpanzat, gorillat, gibonat e shum? lloje tjera majmunash >prej t?na kontinenteve. Bjen n? sy nd?rkaq n? fund t? paviljonit nji kafaz >krejt?sisht i izoluem prej tjervet e me grila jashtzakonisht t? forta. Tue >i'u avit? del n? pah nji tabel?, n? t? cillen shkruen: "Primati m? i >rreziksh?m i planetit". Po k?qyre mbrend?, i befasuem ke me pa f?tyren >t?nde n? pasqyr?. Nji tabel? shpjegon, qi nj?ri p?r dallim prej t?na >specieve tjera t? njoftuna i ka qit? fare plot lloje tjera t? gjallesave t? >planet?s. Prej kundruesve shnd?rrohemi n? t? kundruem (prej vetvetes). Mir? >po: ?ka shofim? (...) > >Komenti: >?sht fjala p?r t'nj?jt?n specie homo sapiens sapiens, e cilla si qenie >rezonuese ka krijue vepra mahnit?se arkitektonike, artistike, letrare, >sisteme abstrakte estetike, filosofike, politike, religjioze, qi nuk i >mohon kurrkush, po relevanca e tyne n? kontekstin e m?sip?rm konvergon kah >xeroja. SHPETIMTARI I BOTES- PALACOJA Mu sikund?r edhe relevanca e kultur?s s? nalt? shqiptare, e cilla n? segmentaritetin e vet dishmon shum pak konvergenc? kah bashkoh?sia, zhduket krejt?sisht karshi gjendjes s? katandisun t? shoq?nis? shqiptare. P?r m? tep?r elita bart?se e k?saj kulture si p?r in?t nuk do me u emancipue prej "Rilindjes" e as me emancipue popullin prej "Kanunit" - prej nji stili t? jet?s, qi, n'kjoft? se ka nevoj? me e lokalizue historikisht, sigurisht ?sht m? af?r Koh?s s'gurit se Mesjet?s. ANAKRONISTI N? Mesjet? shumica e masave popullore europiane kan? hjek? dor? prej "anarkis?" autonome "vetadministruese" me kode zakonore, tue i'u shtrue ligjeve e udh?hjekjes s? nji elite... edhe kur t'kihet parasysh, qi k?saj nd?rmarrjeje n?p?r Europ? e n'gjeti ia kan? dal? turli papakash, imponohet nji pasqyr? fort e ligsht p?r elit?n shqiptare. HUMBESI I VOGEL QE TALLET DUKE QESHUR PARA PASQYRES ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bresta at email.com Fri Apr 21 05:18:49 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 21 05:18:49 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fwd: [ALBSA-Info] Mustafa Nano per Eliten Message-ID: <382854392.956308727126.JavaMail.root@web03_mc.mail.com> Uk Lushi shkruejti: >Worauf will Shkumbin Brestovci hinaus?!!! auf irgendwas subversives halt, was im folgenden als ein erkl?rungsversuch gedeutet werden k?nnte >>T'nderuem dashamire t'sportit e t'kultures, > >!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A po ndjehet kush i adresuem personalisht? >>muj me ba be qi mue nuk m'ka ba vaki n'ymer temin me zatet n'nihilist qi e >>ka mohue ekzistencen e elites shqiptare. Mirepo po druej qi m'duhet me u >>rrefye para jush qi me daten 22.08.1998 > >VIZIONARI! ANTIKRISHTI SHQIPTAR! ne frontin e perendim s'ka kurgja t're... as s'ka pase... >>e kam plasue ne web nji koment, i cilli ket elite ne mos gja tjeter s'pakut >>e merr neper goje. Ate mundeni me gjete ne: >>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/6656/Skandali.html >> >>tekstin po jau percjelli ketu ne vijim: >> >>Skandali i madh >> >>Nga: Humberto R. Maturana / Francisco J. Varela, El ?rbol del concocimiento >>(1984), simbas botimit: Der Baum der Erkenntnis, > > >A E DI SHKUMBIN BRESTOVCI CDO TE THOTE DER BAUM DER ERKENNTNIS? Sigurisht nuk e di, pos mundet me prezumue qi mundet me qene reference ne Etz ha-Daath nga libri i pare Berashith i Torahse, dikush ndoshta e njef ma mire si Tevrati ase Testamendi i Mocem, kapitulli i Gjenezes, ku dy kreatura shetiten ne idilen e njifar bahceje me emen Eden, edhe ne fund i nxjerrin vedit e mbasardhsave t'vet koxha shum telashe me frutat e qatij druni. >>Bern-M?nchen 1987 [marr? pa pvet? edhe nxjerr? prej konteksti] >> >KONTEKST NXJERRESI- DJEGESI I SHTRIGAVE Pos eventualisht cigare te markes Shtriga >>N? kopshtin zoologjik t? Bronxit n? New York ekziston nji paviljon i madh i >>ve?ant?, ku jan? strehue primat?t. K?tu munden me u kundrue n? kushte shum? >>t? volitshme shimpanzat, gorillat, gibonat e shum? lloje tjera majmunash >>prej t?na kontinenteve. Bjen n? sy nd?rkaq n? fund t? paviljonit nji kafaz >>krejt?sisht i izoluem prej tjervet e me grila jashtzakonisht t? forta. Tue >>i'u avit? del n? pah nji tabel?, n? t? cillen shkruen: "Primati m? i >>rreziksh?m i planetit". Po k?qyre mbrend?, i befasuem ke me pa f?tyren >>t?nde n? pasqyr?. Nji tabel? shpjegon, qi nj?ri p?r dallim prej t?na >>specieve tjera t? njoftuna i ka qit? fare plot lloje tjera t? gjallesave t? >>planet?s. Prej kundruesve shnd?rrohemi n? t? kundruem (prej vetvetes). Mir? >>po: ?ka shofim? (...) >> >>Komenti: >>?sht fjala p?r t'nj?jt?n specie homo sapiens sapiens, e cilla si qenie >>rezonuese ka krijue vepra mahnit?se arkitektonike, artistike, letrare, >>sisteme abstrakte estetike, filosofike, politike, religjioze, qi nuk i >>mohon kurrkush, po relevanca e tyne n? kontekstin e m?sip?rm konvergon kah >>xeroja. > >SHPETIMTARI I BOTES- PALACOJA Yeah man! "I wanna have my kicks before the whole shithouse goes up in flames" (Jim Morrison) > >>Mu sikund?r edhe relevanca e kultur?s s? nalt? shqiptare, e cilla n? >>segmentaritetin e vet dishmon shum pak konvergenc? kah bashkoh?sia, zhduket >>krejt?sisht karshi gjendjes s? katandisun t? shoq?nis? shqiptare. P?r m? >>tep?r elita bart?se e k?saj kulture si p?r in?t nuk do me u emancipue prej >>"Rilindjes" e as me emancipue popullin prej "Kanunit" - prej nji stili t? >>jet?s, qi, n'kjoft? se ka nevoj? me e lokalizue historikisht, sigurisht ?sht >>m? af?r Koh?s s'gurit se Mesjet?s. > >ANAKRONISTI vlerat hedoniste nuk nderrojne fort as ne kohena as n'kultura >>N? Mesjet? shumica e masave popullore europiane kan? hjek? dor? prej >>"anarkis?" autonome "vetadministruese" me kode zakonore, tue i'u shtrue >>ligjeve e udh?hjekjes s? nji elite... edhe kur t'kihet parasysh, qi k?saj >>nd?rmarrjeje n?p?r Europ? e n'gjeti ia kan? dal? turli papakash, imponohet >>nji pasqyr? fort e ligsht p?r elit?n shqiptare. > >HUMBESI I VOGEL QE TALLET DUKE QESHUR PARA PASQYRES > ase fituesi i madh qi ban cehre serioze tue masturbue para pasqyres ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com From iliriana at usa.net Fri Apr 21 17:33:05 2000 From: iliriana at usa.net (Iliriana Mushkolaj) Date: Fri Apr 21 17:33:05 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000421213303.8572.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> A ben, ju lutem, ta perktheni ne shqip tekstin e meposhtem. Faleminderit. Uk Lushi shkruejti: >Worauf will Shkumbin Brestovci hinaus?!!! auf irgendwas subversives halt, was im folgenden als ein erkl?rungsversuch gedeutet werden k?nnte ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From etrit at alb-net.com Sat Apr 22 14:14:07 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sat Apr 22 14:14:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Forwarded Message... Message-ID: From: "Bajram Mukata" To: Subject: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:00:10 +0200 Ju t=EB LDK Rogoviste nuk ju ka mbetur asgj=EB tjet=EBr veq q=EB ti = fajsoni t=EB tjer=EBt q=EB e kryen pun=EBn q=EB ju me decenje t=EB = t=EBra i qitshi hi syve t=EB popullit so lirija dot=EB vij=EB ashtu = k=EBshtu e ne nuk duhet t=EB brengosemi. Po ku mbet ajo Ministrija e mbrojtjes s=EB Bukoshit =A8me aq pompozitet = e proklamuar n=EB Bon. Mos t=EB ishin Djemt e UCK-s=EB leje so nuk dot=EB kishte nevoj=EB NATO = t=EB vij=EB n=EB Kosov=EB por serbin dota ki9shim n=EB krye edhe 100 = vjet. Sa veta t=EB LDK-s=EB u l=EBnduan me rastin e arrestimit tie = ashtuquajturit Kryetar fiktiv Rugov=EBs. From etrit at alb-net.com Sat Apr 22 17:44:24 2000 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Sat Apr 22 17:44:24 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] eu... In-Reply-To: <20000418193337.28094.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Arben ARAPI wrote: > --- Burim Hana wrote: > > Veq vazhdo, e shyqyr Rugoves po i rritet > > >reputacioni ma ne fund. > > > Ose Thaqit po i zbret. Qysh dush kqyre nisoj :) > Etrit cka po thu ti? > Per mua eshte krejt njesoj se kush fiton, deri sa te zgjidhen ne menyre demokratike, me shumice te popullit. E them kete pasi qe jam jashte shtetit keshtu qe nuk e di se si eshte gjendja taman atje, e poashtu nuk e kam profesionin politikan, e me mire mos te flas per politike se po bohen njerezit nervoz... ;-) Lexoje kete shkrim, ishte interesant: 20:56 The activists of Students Movement OTPOR, criticising the regime for their intensified contacts with countries run by totalitarian regimes, put traffic signs along Novi Sad streets with the distances in kilometres between Novi Sad and North Corea, China, Belarus, Iraq, Libya, Zimbabwe and Cuba capitals. From mukata at swissonline.ch Sun Apr 23 17:37:02 2000 From: mukata at swissonline.ch (Bajram Mukata) Date: Sun Apr 23 17:37:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) References: <20000421213303.8572.qmail@nwcst314.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <002401bfad62$fbaa3760$bd5a18c3@default> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Iliriana Mushkolaj" An: Gesendet: Freitag, 21. April 2000 23:33 Betreff: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > A ben, ju lutem, ta perktheni ne shqip tekstin e meposhtem. Faleminderit. > > > Uk Lushi shkruejti: > >Worauf will Shkumbin Brestovci hinaus?!!! > > auf irgendwas subversives halt, was im folgenden als ein erkl?rungsversuch > gedeutet werden k?nnte > Q'don t? thot? Shkumbin Brestovci me k?t??!!! >Mbahet n? diq subversive, q? mund? ti kuptohet si tentim arsyetimi > > Bajrami____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l From iliriana at usa.net Sun Apr 23 20:26:17 2000 From: iliriana at usa.net (Iliriana Mushkolaj) Date: Sun Apr 23 20:26:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Perkthimi Message-ID: <20000424002615.1728.qmail@nwcst313.netaddress.usa.net> Faleminderit Bajram. Iliriana "Bajram Mukata" wrote: --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Iliriana Mushkolaj" An: Gesendet: Freitag, 21. April 2000 23:33 Betreff: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > A ben, ju lutem, ta perktheni ne shqip tekstin e meposhtem. Faleminderit. > > > Uk Lushi shkruejti: > >Worauf will Shkumbin Brestovci hinaus?!!! > > auf irgendwas subversives halt, was im folgenden als ein erkl?rungsversuch > gedeutet werden k?nnte > Q'don t? thot? Shkumbin Brestovci me k?t??!!! >Mbahet n? diq subversive, q? mund? ti kuptohet si tentim arsyetimi > > Bajrami____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From bresta at email.com Mon Apr 24 08:16:17 2000 From: bresta at email.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Mon Apr 24 08:16:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <382693476.956578575942.JavaMail.root@web08.pub01> > A ben, ju lutem, ta perktheni ne shqip tekstin e meposhtem. 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Prof. Dr. Sabri Hamiti ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From zabeli at gmx.de Wed Apr 26 04:12:23 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Wed Apr 26 04:12:23 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Anketa References: <20000426041902.64087.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <5143.956736739@www5.gmx.net> nje pyetjeje te nje ankete zvicerane, se kende nuk kane deshire ta kene per fqinje, 40% te te anketuareve iu pergjigjen: kosovaret! pernime kena bo imigj se jo mahi! -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk Wed Apr 26 10:45:43 2000 From: b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk (Bujar Dibra) Date: Wed Apr 26 10:45:43 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Artikull-Inteligencia dhe Identiteti njerezor -nga Altin Topi Message-ID: <001501bfafcf$f0b443e0$e169883e@pc> Inteligencia dhe Identiteti njerezor . nga Altin Topi Qe prej vitesh me persihaten mendime qe kane te bejne me identitetin, por jo thjesht ne aspektin kombetar, pra jo duke e pare veten thjesht si shqiptar. Por duke e pare e vleresuar ne pergjithesi identitetin tone njerezor, pra duke e pare veten si shqiptar e pjesetar i familjes njerezore. Krizen e identitetit per shqiptaret nuk do konsideroja si nje krize qe thjesht ka te beje me te qenurin shqiptar, por si nje krize te identitetit tone social e njerezor. Kjo do te permblidhej ne nje teme qe do t'a konsideroja si nje komponent organik i percaktimit te identitetit te nje kombi e shoqerie, e do t'a quaja: "Inteligencia dhe Identiteti". Ky titull do te ishte i pershtatshem duke e zhvilluar temen ne kendveshtrimin e botkuptimit Lindor(ne anglisht do te quhej: "A Eastern Quest" duke nenkuptuar Rusine si Memen e ketij konceptimi). E ne se do t'a trajtoja ne kendveshtrimin e botkuptimit Perendimor(ne anglisht do ta quhej: "A Western Quest" duke kuptuar parasegjithash SHBA e ndjekur nga Europa, titulli do te ishte dicka tjeter. Por nuk po e zbuloi titullin tash, gje qe do t'a bej ne nje shkrim te ardheshem. Perdorimi qe vecanerisht ne Shqiptaret i bejme termave intelektual, intelektualizem dhe inteligencia eshte i tille qe mund t'a quaja inflacion e shkembim jo korrekt te fjaleve. Une shpesh ne pamundesi per te gjetur nje perkufizim te pranueshem per keto fjale i drejtohesha miqve e shokeve te mi shqiptare: Une jam me arsim te larte jashte dhe brenda Shqiperise(....). A quhem une intelektual ? Pergjigjet ishin nga me te ndryshmet por gjithmone reflektonin nje metalitet - Po, ti je nje intelektual. Pergjigja pasohej nga nje pyetje e dyte: A bej pjese une ne ate qe quhet "Inteligencia"? Pergjigje e menjehereshme: Cfare pyet edhe ti?! Padyshim qe Po. Une pas ketyre pergjigjeve "padyshim" qe ndjehesha me mire. Por gjerat filluan te ndryshonin per mua kur fillova t'a kerkoja pergjigjen nga librat e Perendimit. Pergjigja qe gjeta pasi hulumtova nje numer te mire te tyre eshte kjo: Nje intelektual eshte dikush, qe mendon per veten e vet si nje individ qe eksploron idete ne thellesi e kudo ku ato mund t'a cojne e mbi te gjitha udhehiqet nga shpirti i jokonformizmit. Ai gjithmon eshte dyshues karshi cfaredo Autoriteti, vecanerisht Autoritetit te perfaqesuar nga nje grup ose sic Plato thote"sed magis amica veritas". Ajo qe me habiti me shume ishte qe jo domosdoshmerisht nje intelektual ka arsim te larte apo ne pergjithesi i arsimuar. Kjo rrezoi konceptin tim te meparshem qe nje intelektual konsiderohet dikush qe ben pjese ne idete qe udheheqin Inteligencen bashkekohese te tij. E per me shume intelektuali jo domosdoshmerisht eshte pjese e Inteligencias. Fillova te mendoi qe ka nje dallim esencial midis intelektualizmit dhe asaj qe quhet Inteligencializem(i pare si derivat i fjales Inteligencia). Mendoi se eshte e rendesishme te behet dallimi midis intelektualit dhe atij qe e identifikon veten si anetar Inteligencias. Megjithate konfuzioni qe ekziston eshte pasoje e mungeses te fjales qe percakton saktesisht anetaresine ne Inteligencia dhe njekohesish te interesit qe ka vet Inteligencia qe te mos behet ky dallim. Per here te pare fjala "Inteligencia"(kam bere nje devijim ne shkruajtjen e fjales duke hequr shkronjen J, e per ta bere sa me te afert me tingellimin ne rusisht, per te perforcuar idene e origjines se saj) u krijua dhe filloi te perdoret ne vitet 60-te te shekullit te 19-te ne Rusi. Sot, studiuesit Amerikane dhe Ruse pohojne se ato i japin kuptime te ndryshme fjales. Per te kuptuar kete mjafton te njihet se sistemi Amerikan i analizes sociale i cuar me tej nga sociologjia moderne nuk njeh termin "klase" si nje entitet i mbajtur ngushtesisht bashke prej ndergjegjes, mendimit kritik (me te cilin kuptohet jo vetem aftesia per te pohuar ose mohuar dicka, por edhe per te argumentuar ate) apo pasionit moral. Artikuj prej intelektualeve te Rusise te sotme shpesh shfaqen nen titujt: Une nuk dua te jem nje inteligent!(fjala inteligent eshte perdorur per te treguar anetaresine ne Inteligencia). Me kete ato nuk duan te mohojne jeten intelektuale, por traditen e Inteligencias. Ato duan te terheqin vemendjen e njerezve se si kjo tradite coi ne shkaterrim te njerezimit me permasa biblike(llogaritet qe komunizmi shkaktoi 100 milion viktima) dhe duan t'i thone njerezve te gjejne nje menyre te re percaktimi te perkatesise te tyre. Qe prej gdhendjes te termit "Inteligencia" e deri ne ditet tona eshte debatuar rreth kuptimit te fjales. Kuptimi dhe perdorimi ka ndryshuar dhe evoluar ne kohe, ne varesi te konteksit historik te moralit e politikes, por gjithmone ne pergjithesi eshte pohuar qe nuk duhet barazuar me te gjithe njerezit profesionale e te arsimuar. Vete fakti qe njerezit gjithmone debatojne se cilet njerez te arsimuar jane me te vertete "inteligente"(termi rus inteligenti) tregon se arsimi nuk mjafton. E ajo qe te mrekullon me shume eshte se shkrimtaret me te famshem ruse nuk konsideroheshin e aq me teper nuk e konsideronin veten si "inteligente". Shembulli me i goditur eshte i Tolstoit, i cili do te mbetej i habitur ne qoftese dikush do ta quante "inteligent". Ai biles e perbuzte Inteligencian qe zakonisht pergjigjej ne kor. Ai besonte ne Zot, perdori titullin e tij si Kont, e ne vend qe te merrte pjese ne "rrethet" e Inteligencias ne Moske dhe Peterburg, ai jetonte ne fermen e tij ne Jasnaia Poljana. Ne romanin e post-krizes se tij personale "Ringjallja", Tolstoi perqendrohet ne mendjengushtesine e pjesetareve te Inteligencias, qe mendojne se flasin ne emer "te popullit", ne gjuhen dhe konceptet qe jane te kuptueshme per Inteligencian vetem. Romani ne nje menyre ose ne nje tjeter, shpreh simpati per cdo kriminel ne burgjet ruse, por kur heroi - Nekludovi ndodhet perballe nje prefaqesuesi te Inteligencias, nepermjet fjaleve e pershkrimit te Tolstoit, perngjan qe cdo shprese per te shpetuar identitetin, ekzistencen e saj si individ kishte humbur. Nekludovi e pyet ate se si kishte ndodhur qe ajo kishte perfunduar ne burg. Pergjigja e saj ishte nje reference e eksituar e percjelle nga shume fjale e fjali te gjata. Midis te cilave ishin fjalet si propoganda, disorganizim, grupe sociale, seksione, nenseksione, te cilat ajo mendonte qe cdonjeri duhet t'i dinte, por qe Nekludovi nuk i kishte degjuar kurre. Ajo i tregoi atij te gjitha sekretet e jetes te revolucionarit dhe Vullnetit te Popullit. Nekludovi nderkohe shihte qafen e saj imcake, te dobesuar, floket e pakrehuara e po mendonte se perse po i tregonte ajo te gjitha keto atij. Ajo ishte nje revolucionare. Ai filloi t'a meshironte ate, por jo sic meshironte Menshof-in, fshatarin qe mbahej ne ate burg te erret e te felliqur pa kryer asnje krim vete. Ajo ishte e meshirueshme per shkak te gjithe atij konfuzioni qe mbushte koken e saj. Po ashtu si ne te gjitha novelat e tij, vazhdimisht Tolstoi bente dallimin midis njerezve qe mendojne e njerezve qe benin pjese ne Inteligencia. Tolstoi refuzonte qe dikush t'a radhiste ne rradhet e inteligenteve. Ne se Tolstoi nuk ishte "inteligjent", kush tjeter valle ishte? Emri dhe fama e Dostojevskit ne Perendim eshte e lidhur kryesisht ne gjerat e reja qe solli ai ne analizen e thelle psikologjike, dhe aftesine marramendese per t'i dhene jete ideve abstrakte. Ne Rusi, historia i ka dhene emrin dhe famen e nje profeti. E kur e lexon ate nuk eshte e veshtire te kuptohet arsyeja. Nuk mund te gjendet asnje mendimtar i shekullit te 19-te qe te parashikonte se cfare do te ishte totalitarizmi sic e parashikoi ai. Asnje veper letrare nuk do te mund hakmerrej ne menyre kaq dramatike nga ngjarjet politike se sa vepra e tij. Mjafton nje shembull, ai i revolucinarit ideolog Shigalev, i cili propozon me fanatizmin dhe intolerancen karakteristike te Inteligences planin e vertete per shoqerine e ardheshme:" Jam pak i befasuar nga te dhenat e mija dhe konkluzioni eshte nje kontradikte direkte me idene prej nga u nisa. Duke filluar nga liria e pakufizuar, une arrij ne despotizem absolut. Por duhet te shtoi megjithate, se nuk ka zgjidhje te problemit social pervec se sipas idese time." Shigalevi sugjeron nje "sistem te spiunimit", i projektuar qe te shkaterroje nga rrenjet cdo mundesi te ekzistences te nje jete private jashte politikes dhe shtetit. Kjo per arsyen se ne fillim njerezit nuk do te jene te pershtatshem per sistemin e ri. Do te jete e nevojeshme "te priten nje milion koka". Ne nje tjeter pasazh qe parashikon me nje perpikmeri te habiteshme revolucionin rus, kinez dhe kopjen e tij ne miniature - Shqiperine, ne mesojme qe ne emer te barazise, Shigalevizmi (lexo enverizmi) ne menyre sistematike do te zhduki "te gjithe intelektet" dhe te gjithe mendimin e pavarur "Ciceronit do t'i pritet gjuha, Kopernikut do t'i nxirren syte, Shekspirin do t'a marrim me gure". Tolstoi, Dostojevski, Turgeniev, dhe kritiket si Gershenzon, Kistakovski etj. kontribuan ne krijimin e asaj literature qe do te konsiderohet "anti-tradites te Inteligencias". Gershenzon jep nje shpjegim teper interesant per te treguar ndyshimin midis shkrimtareve qe krijojne identitetin kombetar e njerezor me Inteligencian, sidomos me ato qe mund ti quajme "gazetarucet apo shkrimtarucet". - "Vepra te mirefillta te fuqishme letrare nuk mund te krijohen duke gjykuar ne menyren se si "inteligentet" (e ka fjalen per anetaret e Inteligences) formojne dhe krijojne bindjet, "fene" e tyre. Ato formulojne kritiken e tyre sociale duke u mbeshtetur ne kode te paraformuluara dhe perfundime te paracaktuara. Indipendenca e brendeshme eshte karakteristika esenciale e nje artisti apo shkrimtari. Artistet e medhenj ishin te lire dhe natyrisht jokonformiste dhe analizat e tyre ishin autentike sepse asgje nuk ishte rrjedhoje e "nje recete doktori qe paradiktonte cfare vitaminash duhet te merreshin". Vecanerisht kur flet per Inteligencian te bie ne sy tendenca e saj per t'i transformuar ne politike te gjitha teorite. Ideja qe cdo gje politicizohet eshte aksiomatike per Inteligencian. Dostojevski nepermjet Ivan Karamazovit veren qe "cfare eshte hipoteze ne Europe eshte nje aksiome per te riun Rus, e per me teper per mesuesit e tyre, sepse ne fakt mesuesit Ruse jane vet keta nxenes". Ivani me keto donte te thoshte qe ndersa ate c'ka nje mendimtar Europian mund t'a afroje tentativisht si hipoteze, le te themi rreth shkencave natyrale, behet per Ruset nje koncept social-politik i afte per te shpjeguar te gjitha problemet morale dhe historike. Inteligencia Ruse karakterizohet nga adaptimi i konkuzioneve ekstreme dhe te para ne perspektiven qe e sheh te ardhmen ne mijevjecare e apokaliptike. Keshtu teorite Europiane te marra hua transformohen ne menyre te tille per te arritur utopine socialiste qe Herzen do t'a perblidhte ne kuoten e fameshme "algjebra e revolucionit". Filozofet Europiane do te shokoheshin e do te belbezonin, po te lexonin transformimin e teorive te tyre,pasi kishin kaluar prizmin e politicizuar Rus. Duke krahasuar idete e huazuara me ate se si do te dukeshin ne anen tjeter te prizmit Rus, cdo njeri do te arrinte te kuptonte "aspektin Rus" te mesimeve Europiane. Idete shkencore pranohen apo mohen jo ne baze te evidencave por ne baze te kriterit thjesht politik. Nje tjeter kritik, Berdiaev, e pershkruan traditen e Inteligences si nje " tendence pothuajse te cmendur per te gjykuar doktrinat filozofike dhe te vertetat ne baze te kriterit utalitar apo politik". Berdiaev vazhdon:"... Dashuria per drejtesi egalitare, per te miren sociale, per mireqenien e popullit, paralizoi dashurine per te verteten dhe pothuajse shkaterroi cfaredo interesi per te verteten... Inteligencia...e transformoi te verteten ne nje instrument per trazire sociale(qe ne e quajme revolucion)... e cila u shendrua ne mjetin dhe arritjen e Inkuzitorit te Madh(ne Vellezerit Karamazov), i cili kerkoi e imponoi heqjen dore nga e verteta ne emer te lumturise te njerezimit. Premisa baze morale e Inteligencias mund te permblidhej ne formulen: "Le te zhdukim te verteten, vdekja e saj do t'i jape mundesi njerezimit te jetoje me mire... poshte e verteta." Sigurisht ky ishte qendrimi qe u be karakteristike e Bolshevikeve (lexo Komunizmit ne Shqiperi). Nen regjimin e tyre, cdo teori shkencore gjykohej zyrtarisht, si e vertete apo fallso ne baze te asaj qe i sherbente interesave te Partise( partinost - doktrines partiake). Tingellon marramendese e profetike gjykimi bolshevik i asaj kohe: "Ne duhet te pranojme qe ajo qe eshte e vertete eshte " shkenca borgjeze", shkence objektive, nderkohe qe shkenca "subjektive" e Populisteve tane dhe shkenca "klasore" e Marksisteve tane eshte me teper nje forme besimi(feje) se sa shkence. Episodi i Lisenkos eshte rasti teper i njohur i aplikimeve te doktrines Bolshevike mbi te verteten. E aplikuar kjo ne histori, kjo menyre trajtimi e te vertetes coi ne ate qe quhet rishkruarja e historise(nxenes i talentuar i te ciles ishte Xhaxhi yne i paharruar, e shqiptaret e post-komunizmit sipas tradites vazhdojne te rishkruajne historine e identitetit te tyre). Bazuar ne nje moto teper te perhapur ne Europen Lindore, socializmi eshte nje sistem qe e ardhmja dihet me siguri, por e kaluara gjithmone ndryshon. Kjo eshte arsyeja qe tek Ruset, Serbet e Sllavet ne pergjithese mbizoteron ideja qe faktet historike jane thjesht disa krijime sociale. Megjithese Inteligencia e shikon fitimin e dijes si nje menyre per t'i sherbyer "popullit", koncepti i saj per popullin eshte metafizik, nje koncept filozofik qe nuk kishte te bente e nuk e njihte individin. Levin heroi i Ana Karenines na befason me gjykimin e tij duke demaskuar abstraksionet filozofike te Inteligencias: "Fjala "popull" eshte teper e papercaktuar." Ndersa vellai i tij Sergei Ivanovic i pelqente "te nxirrte konkluzione te pergjitheshme ne favor te fshatareve (popullit)". Levin qe jetonte ne mesin e tyre "nuk kishte nje koncept, pikepamje kategorike per fshataresine(popullin)" sepse nuk mund t'i shihte ato si nje mase abstrakte homogjene. Ne si dikush do t'a pyeste, ne se e pelqente fshataresine(popullin), ai nuk dinte se si mund te pergjigjej. Ai njihte lloj-lloj njerezish, nje pjese ai e shihte si njerez te mire e interesante, por gjithmone ai zbulonte perdite tipare te reja qe perdite ndryshonin pikepamjet e tij per to. Kurse per te vellain, ne trurin e tij, ne menyre sistematike ishin te kristalizuara disa aspekte sociale te fshataresise (popullit), nje pjese te nxjerra nga eksperienca e jetes se tyre, por kryesisht nga kontrasti i aspekteve te jetes te tyre, qe ndryshonin kryekeput nga menyra te tjera te jetuarit(lexo: nuk duhet te nxirren konkuzione per shqiptaret prej takimeve aksidentale te rastit, opinionit e kontrasteve te pergjithshme te krijuara, efekteve kinematografike apo televizive, menyres te jeteses qe bejne grupe te caktuara ne mergim apo ne Shqiperi, etj.) Tek Ana Karenina dhe Lufta e Paqja, Tolstoi ironizon me paragjykimin(nje menyre fikse tradicionale te menduari), qe rrjedh nga gjykime te pergjitheshme se sa nga nje vleresim i thelle, i ndjeshem i te vecantave. Literatura e vertete e kontributoret e sa jane te tille sepse ato sjellin idete e reja "qe bota dhe fenomenet sociale shpjegohen vetem me kundershtine e konfliktin e teorive qe pergjithsojne konkluzionet e tyre per te shpjeguar boten nga njera ane, me ato vecantite e vogla qe nuk pranojne skematizmin, sistematizmin e perkufizimet. Argumenti i Inteligencia i shprehur nga goja e vellait te Levinit, Sergeit, eshte se ai e sheh vellain e tij si dikush qe "ndikohet nga pershtypjet e momentit", duke injoruar parimin e "inteligenteve" qe gjithshka duhet te debatohet e te diskutohet "ne princip". Kjo ne fakt do te thote "nr menyre abstrakte, pa konsideruar e kapur kompleksitetin e realitetit". Dostojevski nepermjet djallit qe viziton Ivan Karamazovin, tallet me teorine e tij si anetar i Inteligencias. Sipa Ivanit per te krijuar ate ndryshim, trazire popullore(permbysje, revolucion) "lejohet gjithshka". - "Ajo qe thua ti eshte teper terheqese. Po perse kerkon, te duhet qe kete permbysje t'a mbeshtetesh duke formuluar nje sanksionim moral? Aaah.. e kuptoi, ti po flet si anetar i Inteligencias(si i indoktrinuar ai nuk mund t'a shohe ndryshimin, te ndryshoje sistemin, raportin politik te forcave, apo shoqerine, ne nje menyre tjeter, pa kete trazire apo dhune. Le te kujtojme strategjine e perdorur ne Shqiperi ne 1997, si shembulli me i fresket. Tendenca thjesht per te teorizuar dhe perbuzja per gjithshka tjeter, pervecse permbysjeve apokaliptike e me hapa mijevjecare (lexo: socializmi ne Shqiperi; faza e I, ndertimi i bazave te socializmit; faza e II, ndertimi i shoqerise te plote socialiste me pesevjecare, por qe mund te zere mijravjecare), coi ne s hperfilljen e neglizhencen e vazhdueshme per mundesite e perditeshme per te permiresuar jeten e njerezve, e oportunitete te humbura dekadash e gjeneracionesh. Inteligencia nuk ishte e interesuar per permiresimin gradual te jetes te njerezve. Njerezit duhet te shpetoheshin, por te gjithe e njeheresh. Rezultati i ketij qendrimi e gjykimi, analizon kritiku Simion Frank ishte nje neglizhence totale kundrejt njerezve reale(qe merrnin fryme), ne emer te nje njerezimi abstrakt. Ne vellezerit Karamazov, Frati Zosima nuk shfaq ndonje interesin real per njerez te vecante , obsesioni i tij i perziere me nje ndjenje altruizmi, shqetesimi e miresie abstrakte eshte per nje njerezim abstrakt. Ai te kujton nje individ(nje socialist idealist), me principe te larta e teper i sinqerte ne idete e tij. " Une e dua njerezimin - thote ai, - por vazhdimisht pyes veten. Sa me shume dua njerezimin ne pergjithese, aq me pak dua individin ne vecanti. Ne enderrat e mija shpesh arrij te realizoi projekte entuziaste e madheshtore ne sherbim te njerezimt. Ndoshta do te isha gati te kryqezohesha si Krishti, po te lindte nevoja. E megjithate jam i paafte te jetoj ne te njejten dhome jo me shume se dy dite me nje njeri, kushdo qofte ai. Sic e di nga eksperienca...pa kaluar 24 ore filloi te urrej edhe njeriun me te mire...dike ndoshta qe eshte shume i ngadalshem ne te ngrene, dike tjeter se eshte me rrufe e vazhdimisht shfryn hundet. Por gjithmone ndodh se sa me shume urrej nje njeri si individ, aq me e zjarrte behet dashuria ime per Njerezimin. Frank veren se dashuria utopike per Njerezimin e coi Inteligencian ne indiference e mohim te cdo ndihme e perkrahje te njerezve te pare si individe te vecante. Altruizmi i socialistave nuk i drejtohej njerezve te gjalle(qe merrin fryme). Ideali abstrakt i lumturise absolute ne nje te ardhme te larget, shkaterron moralin aktual te maredhenieve te nje individi me nje individ tjeter(lexo: socializmi thote per kapitalizmin -njeriu per njeriun eshte ujk... por kjo mund te kuptohet vice-versa) dhe ndjenjen e dashurise e interesimit per fqinjin (njeriun) e per cdo njeri ne pergjithesi, bashkekohesin, bashkekombasin dhe nevojave te tyre. Bashkekohesit(njerezit e gjeneracionet qe jetojne ne nje kohe te caktuar) shihen me simpati e ndoshta me keqardhje nga Inteligenca, por ato po bejne sakrifica e po sakrifikojne jetet e tyre per utopine qe do te vije. E keshtu nje mit i ri i Sizifit krijohet, nderkohe qe cdo gjenerate sakrifikohet ne emer te utopise, qe megjithate nuk eshte afruar me prane(lexo: Komunizmi po shfaqet ne horizont. Cfare eshte horizonti? Nje vije imagjinare qe me ate ritem qe i afrohesh me ate ritem te largohet.) Duke konsideruar ndryshimet e Inteligences ne nje shtrirje prej disa dekadash e gjeneracionesh, Frank veren se megjithese teorite e saj te medha ndryshojne vazhdimisht, te gjitha kane te perbashket dy karakteristika: 1) ato jane te pagabueshme "shkencore"; 2) gjithmone presupozohet ne to roli superior i vet Inteligencias. Ideja qe pershkon eshte se vet Inteligencia eshte e zgjedhur per zbatimin e ketyre teorive (lexo: nuk ka zgjidhje tjeter vec teorive te saj). Kjo shpjegohet mjeshterisht ne Krim e Ndeshkim te Dostojevskit, ku Raskolnikov parashtron teorine e tij "Napolonike", qe terroristat apo revolucinaret(lexo: komunistat fanatike e idealiste) me teorite e veprimet e tyre do te shpetojne njerezimin, pra ato si pjese organike e Inteligencias jane pararoja e shoqerise. Raskolnikov e ndan shoqerine ne dy grupe: "te zakonshmit"(lexo: masa, turma) te cilet vetem punojne e riprodhohen e ne te "jashtezakonshmit", gjenialiteti i te cileve duke ushqyer masen e "zakoneshme" me teorite e tyre i jep kuptim jetes se tyre thjesht biologjike. Ai shjegon qe njerezit e "zakonshem" jetojne veten ne te tashmen, kurse "njerezit e zgjedhur"(lexo: Inteligencia e njerezit e spikatur te saj, nuk po permend emra, etj.) shohin thelle ne te ardhmen e kjo eshte plotesisht e justifikueshme per te mos devijuar nga kursi imagjinar (lexo: 5 dekada persekutim, burgosje, mungese lirie e fjales e levizjes, eleminim te armiqve te socializmit, etj.) Dostojevski shpjegon se Inteligencia ka nje besim megalloman ne superioritetin e vet dhe eshte e gateshme te perqafoj cdo teori e veper, edhe ate me cnjerezoren, per te mos leshuar pozicionin e statusit te saj te vecante, te privilegjuar ne shoqeri(lexo: ish-komunistat, socialistat e sotem me perfaqesuesit e ish-inteligences perdorin te gjitha mjetet e adaptojne te gjithe teorite e pozicione per te mbajtur rolin dominues ne shoqeri). Nje menyre per te justifikuar kete obsesion per lidership eshte bindja megallomane se superioriteti i saj vjen nga qe eshte e vetmja qe zoteron idene dhe njohurine per te udhehequr. Por aspekti me interesant eshte ai psikologjik. Inteligencia mendon se ka te drejten morale per nje rol te tille, sepse gjithmone e vendos veten ne rolin e viktimes. Per te kuptuar kete, duhet te kujtojme rolin e vecante qe Dostojevski ka ne studimin e viktimologjise si proces psiqik. Askush nuk e kupton me mire se Dostojevski se si psikologjia e ndergjegjes perverse te vuajtjes e te qenurit viktime, qofte e vertete apo e imagjinuar, con dike te shkaktoje dhimbje te tjereve apo ne kunderten, ne perfeksionimi moral. Zemerimi, hakmarrja, shpirtngushtesia, etc. mbizoteron universin Dostojevskian e pershkon klasa shoqerore te ndryshme duke filluar nga vilat e verimit te Inteligencias te qyteteruar, deri tek "shtepia Siberiane e te vdekurit". Por pak eshte e njohur qe Dostojevski e lidhte kete lloj psikologjie me revolucionarizimin. Ndoshta mesimi politik kryesor e me i rendesishem i tij eshte qe viktimat e dikureshme, kur marrin fuqine kthehen ne tiranet me te pashpirt. Njerezit me radikale jane te motivuar nga zemerimi, hakmarrja, shpirtngushtesia, kompleksi i inferioritetit, ndjenja e te shfrytezuarit, etj. Ata kultivojne brenda vetes ate sensin e viktimes, te sakrifikuarit, perqafojne ideologjine e fyerjes. Me te rrezikshmit e radikalet jane gati te vene ne prove bindjet e tyre(lexo: lufta e klasave, te shfrytezuarit, punetoret fshataret e varfer te ngritur ne revolte, revolucion popullor duke e pare veten si viktima te shfrytezimit te borgjezise, feudaleve, bejlereve, etc.; te persekutuarit ne pergjithesi; ishkomunistat e rene nga fiku qe e shohin veten si viktima; shqiptaret qe e shihnin veten si viktima te nje veprimtarije konspiratore e armiqesore te rrethimit borgjezo- revizionist; shqiptaret qe shperthyen ambasadat, morren kufijte e anijet duke e pare veten si viktima te nje sistemi totalitar e gjaksor; shqiptaret neper bote te diskriminuar nga propoganda, TV, paragjykimi i te tjereve, perseri e shohin veten si viktima; e perseri shqiptaret e shohin veten si viktima te fqinjeve te tyre garbitqare, etc.). Karakteri me i spikatur i Dostojevskit qe te kujton me mire kete filozofi eshte Fiodor Pavlovic Karamazov. Ai me teper se cdo njeri e kuptoi, se eshte ai vete me shume se kushdo tjeter pergjegjes per poshterimin e tij, viktimizimin e tij, por megjithate ai vazhdon t'a ekzagjeroje ate. Frati Zosima qe megjithese nuk eshte psikolog vet, perdoret nga Dostojevski te transmetoje vezhgimet e tij. Disa njerez i pelqen t'a ndjejne veten viktima, te fyer sepse ne kete menyre ato ndjehen moralisht superior. "A e dini ju se eshte e pelqyeshme qe disa here t'a ndjesh veten viktime? - Zosima i thote Fiodor Pavlovicit, - Nje njeri megjithese e di qe askush nuk e ka fyer dhe e ka kthyer ne viktime, e krijon vet imazhin e viktimizimit apo fyerjes, biles e ekzagjeron per t'a bere sa me piktoreske e terheqese." Ai e di se duke e paraqitur veten si viktime, mund te justifikoje ne kete menyre kerkesen per kompensim moral e me tej per hakmarrje(konpensim material) per fyerjen, viktimizimin, poshterimin qe i eshte bere. Nje tjeter personazh i Dostojevskit Pjoter Stefanovic, udheheqes revolucionar e di qe per te bere njerezit per vete d uhet te provokoje dy elemente emocionante te rendesishem: te paraqitet radikal ne rivendikimet per viktimizimin(duke larguar keshtu cdo frike per deshtim), dhe e dyta eshte te perforcoje sa me shume idene e superioritet te tyre moral qe rrjedh nga te qenurit viktima. Aspekt tjeter i Inteligencias eshte evokimi i momentit historik. Inteligencia e sheh momentin qe jeton si te vecante, si nje shkeputje definitive nga HISTORIA E KALUAR. E kaluara paraqitet si nje viktimizim nga nje udheheqje, filozofi e forca politike qe kane shkaktuar vec shkaterrim e deshtime sociale. Inteligencia nuk don te shohe qe aktualiteti politik i krijuar mund te jete thjesht nje kapitull tjeter ne historine e ideve qe i ka kaluar koha(lexo: periudhe enveriane e fjalimet per revolucionin socialist si shkeputje nga e kaluara e shfrytezimit e padrejtesive sociale; fjalimet e te gjitha ngjyrave te spektrit politik ne Shqiperi qe nga 1992 mbi vdekjen perfundimtare te komunizmit, totalitarizmit e shkeputjen totale nga e kaluara e dhimbeshme; socialistet qe rrezuan Presidencen e Berishes, etc.). Ne epilogun e tij tek Lufta e Paqja, Tolstoi pershkruan se si historianet inteligente i gjykojne mendimtaret e udheheqesit politike te se kaluares: si "reaksionare" apo "perparimtare" ne baze te bindjeve e vlerave filozofike te kohes te tyre. Cfare i bente pershtypje atij me shume ishte karakteri absolut e shenjterimi qe i jepnin ata gjykimeve te tyre. Prill 2000 From gugja at hotmail.com Wed Apr 26 12:42:57 2000 From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI) Date: Wed Apr 26 12:42:57 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <20000426164239.26813.qmail@hotmail.com> Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne airoport prej gjak derdhjes. Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From zabeli at gmx.de Wed Apr 26 14:21:39 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Wed Apr 26 14:21:39 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. References: <20000426164239.26813.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <1996.956773282@www3.gmx.net> kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem race e rame prej havaje mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une jam i martua me shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue me ndonje te huaj, por per shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail i arianitit). per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, arianit, me qit tekst se ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. shyqa > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > airoport > prej gjak derdhjes. > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From puka at usa.net Wed Apr 26 14:43:58 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Wed Apr 26 14:43:58 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000426184345.19556.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> 10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me zezak. A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki e me ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te rrala. Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe ne te ikin jashte trojet tona. > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > airoport > prej gjak derdhjes. > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From a9105506 at unet.univie.ac.at Wed Apr 26 15:23:36 2000 From: a9105506 at unet.univie.ac.at (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Wed Apr 26 15:23:36 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. References: <20000426164239.26813.qmail@hotmail.com> <1996.956773282@www3.gmx.net> Message-ID: <009901bfafb0$c8630260$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Shyq Zabeli shkruejti: > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem race e rame prej havaje > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une jam i martua me > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue me ndonje te huaj, por per > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail i arianitit). > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, arianit, me qit tekst se > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. demek Shyq po thue qi edhe ajo cika ka ba budallaki, po Arianiti pak ma t'madhe. Per vete skisha mujte me vleresue a ka ba ajo cika budallaki a jo, tue mos ia dijte rrethanat ma perafersisht. Vec pse asht martue me zezak nuk mjafton per me konstatue a asht budallak ajo pune a jo. Sigurisht Arianiti din ma shum po s'po na difton. bresta > shyqa > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > airoport > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > From preshev at yahoo.com Wed Apr 26 15:55:34 2000 From: preshev at yahoo.com (Armend Bilalli) Date: Wed Apr 26 15:55:34 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.A edhe Kjo paska bere vaki A!!!! Message-ID: <20000426195532.7271.qmail@web1504.mail.yahoo.com> Pershendetje!! Eshte Hera e pare qe shkruaj ne kete liste, edhe tani qe vendosa te shkruaj nuk do te zgjatem shume, Jo per gje por me vjen turp te jap nje mendim lidhur me ate Vajzen e cila eshte martuar me nje Nigerian gjithashtu nuk jamdakord fare me ate parafolsin i cili arrin deri aty sa ta mbroje ate Vajze. Nuk e paragjykoj ate Vajzen sepse mbase ajo mund te kete qene ndonje e smure apo kushedi se cfare por ju paragjykoj ju qe diskutoni per nje gje te tille sepse nuk duhet diskutuar fare, sepse nje gje e tille per mendimin tim duhet te jete e papranueshme nga te gjithe ne Shqiptaret.Po te pranonim nje MArtese me te huaj ateher ku do shkoje Identiteti jone?, Gjithashtu po sikur te na ndodhi neve ne familjet tona si do ndjeheshim a do te na vinte mire O SHYQ ? Sepse t'i po e mbroje ate vajzen Ne fund ju pershendes nga Toka e Pushtuar. Ju lutem ruani Identitetin, fene sepse Ai e mbajti Kosoven Gjalle --- Shyq Zabeli wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem > race e rame prej havaje > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une > jam i martua me > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue > me ndonje te huaj, por per > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail > i arianitit). > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, > arianit, me qit tekst se > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi > ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. > > shyqa > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak > ish kon tu dek ne > > airoport > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e > ike nga prishtina me > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne > gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > -- > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From zabeli at gmx.de Wed Apr 26 17:29:25 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Wed Apr 26 17:29:25 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. References: <009901bfafb0$c8630260$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Message-ID: <7566.956784501@www1.gmx.net> burrnimit, breste, ti mire e ki. une nuk muj me gjygjsue, se a ka ba ajo vajze budallaki a jo. me siguri edhe perkundrejte arianitit jam ngute, por une desha para se gjithash ta shpreh mospajtimin tim me mendimin e arianitit. por, m'doket, e gjithe tema ka te beje me nje qashtje esenciale: a guxon vajza shqiptare te martohet me nje te huaj e ne kete rast (bile) edhe me nje zezak. e per kete teme guxojme te shprehemi, edhe pse nuk i dime rrethanat me te thella qe kane shtyer ate vajze. po i jape te drejte armend bilallit(burrit te dheut bile edhe i vika turp veq te jap menim lidhur me kete qashtje), se mue (sagllame) nuk me kishte ardhe mire po dikush i familjes ta kishte bere kete, por kjo sdo te thote se nje veper e tille kishte me qene dallash. te jemi korrekt: vete menyra se si ju kemi hasur ketij diskutimi te bane me menue, se ajo vajze (apo te tjerat me ndodhi te ngjashme) kane bere ndonje krim, cka s'ashte hiq. e spo hi fare te maili i g.s. qe tash shyptaret do me i qit si mbrojtes te races se bardhe. (shyqyr qi evropa e paska ballkanin: shkijet le ta mbrojne krishtenizimin, e na shyptaret po dojshum me mbrojte racen e bardhe). per meninimin tim, identiteti s'mbrohet tue i perdreqsue keto raste margjinale edhe tue e qit veten veq ne baze te lekures ma tmire se te tjeret. bile na si kena ba punet me qite veten ma t'mire se askush (por ndoshta kjo asshte histori tjeter). thjesht, qitja e shyptareve si superior karshi te tjereve, pa kurrefare arsyetimi tjeter, perveq se na qenkemi te bardhe(!) po me duke teper e tepruar. tue i pershendet te gjithe k.k.clancat e kesaj liste, shyqa > > Shyq Zabeli shkruejti: > > > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem race e rame prej > havaje > > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une jam i martua me > > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue me ndonje te huaj, > por > per > > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail i arianitit). > > > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, arianit, me qit tekst > se > > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi ka t'baje me ahmaka > si > ti. > > demek Shyq po thue qi edhe ajo cika ka ba budallaki, po Arianiti pak ma > t'madhe. Per vete skisha mujte me vleresue a ka ba ajo cika budallaki a > jo, > tue mos ia dijte rrethanat ma perafersisht. Vec pse asht martue me zezak > nuk > mjafton per me konstatue a asht budallak ajo pune a jo. Sigurisht > Arianiti > din ma shum po s'po na difton. > bresta > > > > shyqa > > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > > airoport > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina > me > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e > marr? > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From puka at usa.net Wed Apr 26 18:47:50 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Wed Apr 26 18:47:50 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000426224748.23215.qmail@nw178.netaddress.usa.net> Shyq, Une nuk mendoj me mbrojt racen e bardh, po me mbrojt kombin tane, dhe kombi jan eshte i perbere nga nje race. Zezaki nuk mundet mu asimilu as nje here ne kombin tane, per ate arsye vajza ose mashkulli qe martohet dhe krijon familje me nje zezak do te jete i huj ne Kosove. Une nuk jam kunder martesen me te huj, po ka kategori, nese deshiron nje njeri me jetu ne Kosove dhe pasardhesit e ti mu ba shqiptare atehere ata duhen me qene anetare te races bardhe. Nje shembul : martohet nje mashkul/femer shqiptar me nje Kanadez/e dhe dojin me jetu ne kosove per gjith, femijet(ose gjenerata e dyte e femijve) tyre kan me qene shqiptare, nese rriten ne Kosove. Merre njejtin shembull me nje zezak dhe bone krahasimin. A mundet me qene zezaki kinez ? Nuk mundet as zezak me qene shqiptar. Per ate arsye cfare do rrasti me qene per kete vajzen (perveq dhunimit nga zezaki) ajo e ka bo hesap para kohes kete pune, tashti ne ti mshon kavalit. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From sylo at online.no Wed Apr 26 19:47:37 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Wed Apr 26 19:47:37 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? References: <20000426195532.7271.qmail@web1504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201bfafd9$c3e9b2a0$735e4382@sylo> Ndiej brengosje te thelle per fatin e asaj vajze, e cila per shkak te racizmit te pakuptimt ne shoqerine e saje, u detyrua te ike dhe te fshehe "turpin". Une jam me shume i brengosur, per shkak te disa qendrimeve te disa te mjereve ne kete forum, te cilet me irritojne me racizmin dhe prapambeturine e tyre. Cka mendojne keta zoteri ? A eshte nje zezak me pak i vlefshem se sa nje shqiptare, vetem per shkak te ngjyres se lekures ?? Kush jemi ne, qe te konsiderojme njerezit tjere aq ulet? A duhet ne te turperohemi, per shkak se nje vajze shqiptare, paska zgjedhur nje zezak si dashnore, ose bahkshortes? Une, mendoj se me shume duhet te turperohemi, per faktin se ajo u detyrua te ike nga vendi i saje, qe nuk pranon te perziej "gjakun" me "race" tjeter. Sepse kinse "gjaku" ose "raca" jone qenka me i pasterta. Teori tipike naziste! Me mire keta te shkrete te turperohem se ne si shqipetare jemi populli me i varfer i Europes, jo vetem materialisht. Jemi bere hal e zeze ne Europe per shkak te kriminalitetit te ndotur me droge, prostitucion, etj. etj... Njerezit nga te kater anet e botes kane ardhur ne Kosove, qe te na mbrojne, te na ushqejne, te udheheqin vendin tone, dhe te na mesojne se si ushehiqet nje vend dhe se qka eshte demokracia. Nese qendrimet e ketij forumi reprezentojne opinionin e popullit, atehere, demokracia eshte shume larg ne Kosove. Sepse demokracia nuk eshte vetem zgjedhjet e lira. Demokraci eshte edhe liria e nje vajze ta zgjedhe dashnorin ose burrin qe i pelqen asaj, pa patur nevoje te mendoje se a i pelqen kjo Shyqit, Armendit, Shkumbimit, apo Arjanitit. Syla Norvegji ----- Original Message ----- From: Armend Bilalli To: Sent: 26. april 2000 21:55 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.A edhe Kjo paska bere vaki A!!!! > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Pershendetje!! > Eshte Hera e pare qe shkruaj ne kete liste, edhe tani > qe vendosa te shkruaj nuk do te zgjatem shume, Jo per > gje por me vjen turp te jap nje mendim lidhur me ate > Vajzen e cila eshte martuar me nje Nigerian > gjithashtu nuk jamdakord fare me ate parafolsin i cili > arrin deri aty sa ta mbroje ate Vajze. > Nuk e paragjykoj ate Vajzen sepse mbase ajo mund te > kete qene ndonje e smure apo kushedi se cfare por ju > paragjykoj ju qe diskutoni per nje gje te tille sepse > nuk duhet diskutuar fare, sepse nje gje e tille per > mendimin tim duhet te jete e papranueshme nga te > gjithe ne Shqiptaret.Po te pranonim nje MArtese me te > huaj ateher ku do shkoje Identiteti jone?, Gjithashtu > po sikur te na ndodhi neve ne familjet tona si do > ndjeheshim a do te na vinte mire O SHYQ ? Sepse t'i po > e mbroje ate vajzen > Ne fund ju pershendes nga Toka e Pushtuar. > Ju lutem ruani Identitetin, fene sepse Ai e mbajti > Kosoven Gjalle > > > --- Shyq Zabeli wrote: > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem > > race e rame prej havaje > > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une > > jam i martua me > > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue > > me ndonje te huaj, por per > > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail > > i arianitit). > > > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, > > arianit, me qit tekst se > > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi > > ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. > > > > shyqa > > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak > > ish kon tu dek ne > > > airoport > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e > > ike nga prishtina me > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne > > gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > -- > > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From dardan at prishtina.com Wed Apr 26 19:54:59 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Wed Apr 26 19:54:59 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <200004261959.AA306315564@prishtina.com> Tung, Na mujme me i dhane komentet tona, po prape se prape secili person i moshes 18+ mban pergjegjesi personale per aktet e veta. Nese asaj herifes ja ka kojte me zezak, udha e mare i kofte. Dardani ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "G.S" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: 26 Apr 00 14:43:45 EDT > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > >10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me zezak. >A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki e me >ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te rrala. >Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe ne te >ikin jashte trojet tona. > >> Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne >> airoport >> prej gjak derdhjes. >> Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me >> ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. >> Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From a9105506 at unet.univie.ac.at Wed Apr 26 19:56:04 2000 From: a9105506 at unet.univie.ac.at (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Wed Apr 26 19:56:04 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.A edhe Kjo paska bere vaki A!!!! References: <20000426195532.7271.qmail@web1504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e501bfafc1$9c86eba0$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Ka teori prej ma t'ndryshmevet se cka e ruejte identitetin edhe gjallnine ne Kosove. Kjo e zotit Bilalli kisha me thane ish prej atyne qi e kisha vleresue si njanen prej ma interesanteve. Per shembull kemi filosofe kombetare qi konsiderojne qi feja e ka ruejte identitetin kombetar. Natyrisht nji nenkategori e tyne e mendon islamin nji tjeter krishtenizmin. A bahet me qene e mundshme qi ajo cika, t'cilen po e marrim neper goje ketu me qene per shembull muslimane per kah feja edhe me u pase martue me nji musliman nigerian? Ne at rast kish mujte me funksionue simbas teorive fetare, qi ajo ne fakt po e ruen identitetin qi - simbas njanes teori - e ka peshtue identitetin tone kombetar... bresta ----- Original Message ----- From: Armend Bilalli To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.A edhe Kjo paska bere vaki A!!!! > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Pershendetje!! > Eshte Hera e pare qe shkruaj ne kete liste, edhe tani > qe vendosa te shkruaj nuk do te zgjatem shume, Jo per > gje por me vjen turp te jap nje mendim lidhur me ate > Vajzen e cila eshte martuar me nje Nigerian > gjithashtu nuk jamdakord fare me ate parafolsin i cili > arrin deri aty sa ta mbroje ate Vajze. > Nuk e paragjykoj ate Vajzen sepse mbase ajo mund te > kete qene ndonje e smure apo kushedi se cfare por ju > paragjykoj ju qe diskutoni per nje gje te tille sepse > nuk duhet diskutuar fare, sepse nje gje e tille per > mendimin tim duhet te jete e papranueshme nga te > gjithe ne Shqiptaret.Po te pranonim nje MArtese me te > huaj ateher ku do shkoje Identiteti jone?, Gjithashtu > po sikur te na ndodhi neve ne familjet tona si do > ndjeheshim a do te na vinte mire O SHYQ ? Sepse t'i po > e mbroje ate vajzen > Ne fund ju pershendes nga Toka e Pushtuar. > Ju lutem ruani Identitetin, fene sepse Ai e mbajti > Kosoven Gjalle > > > --- Shyq Zabeli wrote: > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk jem > > race e rame prej havaje > > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe une > > jam i martua me > > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu martue > > me ndonje te huaj, por per > > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky mail > > i arianitit). > > > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, > > arianit, me qit tekst se > > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite qi > > ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. > > > > shyqa > > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak > > ish kon tu dek ne > > > airoport > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e > > ike nga prishtina me > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne > > gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > > > From aqeli1 at uic.edu Wed Apr 26 19:56:18 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Wed Apr 26 19:56:18 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. In-Reply-To: <7566.956784501@www1.gmx.net> Message-ID: > thjesht, qitja e shyptareve si superior karshi te tjereve, pa kurrefare > arsyetimi tjeter, perveq se na qenkemi te bardhe(!) po me duke teper e > tepruar. Nuk eshte puna tek superioriteti apo tek inferioriteti; nuk thote askush se te bardhet ose shqiptaret jane me superiore; prandaj qendrimi negativ ndaj marteses me te huajt apo me zezakun nuk klasifikohet automatikisht si racizem; From aqeli1 at uic.edu Wed Apr 26 20:12:58 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Wed Apr 26 20:12:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? In-Reply-To: <001201bfafd9$c3e9b2a0$735e4382@sylo> Message-ID: > > Ndiej brengosje te thelle per fatin e asaj vajze, e cila per shkak te > racizmit te pakuptimt ne shoqerine e saje, u detyrua te ike dhe te Nuk po e marr vesh si ishte kjo pune; A iku ajo vajze se i thane shqiptaret te ikte? Apo e pati mendjen me ike dhe pastaj shkoi dhe e gjeti zezakun per ta ndihmu? > A eshte nje zezak me pak i vlefshem se sa nje shqiptare Jo -- e as nuk e tha kush kete; porse ruajtja e trashegimise dhe e gjuhes shqiptare eshte e rendesishme per mendimin tim; Po m'duket se ca e kane kuptu gabim kete muhabetin e kosoves multietnike, e tash po duhet medoemos me e pru nganje perfaqesues nga cdo vend i botes; > ngjyres se lekures ?? Kush jemi ne, qe te konsiderojme njerezit tjere aq > ulet? Nuk e konsideroi kush zezakun te ulet; > A duhet ne te turperohemi, per shkak se nje vajze shqiptare, > paska zgjedhur nje zezak si dashnore, ose bahkshortes? Une, mendoj se me Une nuk po turperohem fare. Vetem po them se sikur 50% te vajzave e te djemve shqiptare te martohen me te huaj, brenda 3-4 brezash s'ka per te patur me shqiptare. From UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com Wed Apr 26 21:08:03 2000 From: UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com (UMMAGUMA73 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 26 21:08:03 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? Message-ID: tung shiptar .......shyqyr qe paska pshtu ajo vajza , se paka qen ne rrezik. .......eiiiiiiiiiiiiii me zezak????????? lene allahile, ka plot qe jan kunder martesave ndermjet religjioneve te ndryshme, e le me zezak. Personalisht jam per ate se qdo kush duhet te ket te drejt te vendos per fatin e vet. tung engjell From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 00:03:10 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 00:03:10 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? ] Message-ID: <20000427040156.18558.qmail@nwcst312.netaddress.usa.net> >Ndiej brengosje te thelle per fatin e asaj vajze, e cila per shkak te >racizmit te pakuptimt ne shoqerine e saje, u detyrua te ike dhe te >fshehe "turpin". Une ndi brengosje qe ka vdekur nje shqiptar, sepse femija e saj ka duft me qene shqiptar, dhe e ka mbyt zezaku me faren e tij. >Une jam me shume i brengosur, per shkak te disa qendrimeve te disa te >mjereve ne kete forum, te cilet me irritojne me racizmin dhe >prapambeturine e tyre. Me me brengos qe mendoni se per me qene i "perparum" duhemi me pranu dhe me dashte djalin nese thote "babe jam peder" dhe qiken nese thote "pe bie ne shtepi sonte zezakun me fjete me mu". >Cka mendojne keta zoteri ? A eshte nje zezak me pak i vlefshem se sa nje >shqiptare, vetem per shkak te ngjyres se lekures ?? Kush jemi ne, qe te >konsiderojme njerezit tjere aq ulet? Une i du shqiptaret ma shume se zezakt, nuk dmthn se i urrej zezakt. Ti cka po kerkon eshte qe une me pas njejtin ndijen per zezakt si per kombin tim. >A duhet ne te turperohemi, per shkak se nje vajze shqiptare, paska >zgjedhur nje zezak si dashnore, ose bahkshortes? Une, mendoj se me shume >duhet te turperohemi, per faktin se ajo u detyrua te ike nga vendi i >saje, qe nuk pranon te perziej "gjakun" me "race" tjeter. Sepse >kinse "gjaku" ose "raca" jone qenka me i pasterta. Teori tipike naziste! Turp duhet asaj mi ardhe, jo neve. Ajo ka bo krime ndaj kombit tane, e ka mbyt nje femije shqiptar dhe ne vend tina e ka pru nje zezak. Ajo eshte kriminalitet ma i madhe qe mundet njeriu me ba kunder kombit. Ti je tu thane se nuk te brengos hiq nese bohet vetvrasja e kombit ton me perzirjen e gjeneve zezak. Teori tipike komonist!. >Me mire keta te shkrete te turperohem se ne si shqipetare jemi populli >me i varfer i Europes, jo vetem materialisht. Jemi bere hal e zeze ne >Europe per shkak te kriminalitetit te ndotur me droge, prostitucion, >etj. etj... Dhe cfare lidhje ka kjo me cka po flasim na ? Masi disa shqiptar jon krimenela dmthn se une duna mu gezu se po flejin zezakt me shqiptaret !? >Njerezit nga te kater anet e botes kane ardhur ne Kosove, qe te na >mbrojne, te na ushqejne, te udheheqin vendin tone, dhe te na mesojne se >si ushehiqet nje vend dhe se qka eshte demokracia. Dhe cka tashti dmthn se na duhet mi ju pranu zezaket e tyre ma ardhe dhe me ndru racen tane ? >Nese qendrimet e ketij forumi reprezentojne opinionin e popullit, >atehere, demokracia eshte shume larg ne Kosove. Sepse demokracia nuk >eshte vetem zgjedhjet e lira. Demokraci eshte edhe liria e nje vajze ta >zgjedhe dashnorin ose burrin qe i pelqen asaj, pa patur nevoje te >mendoje se a i pelqen kjo Shyqit, Armendit, Shkumbimit, apo Arjanitit. A e ka ndalu najkush ato me bo fmi me zezak ? Jo , ska ligje kunder asaj. Demokracija per ty qenka qe na me dashte burrin e saj edhe femijun e saj me zorr ? Ajo e ka lirin e saj qe me zgjedhe kon do , edhe une e kam lirin time qe mos mi fol asaj, mos me llan femijun tim me lujt me femijun e saj, dhe mos me pas asnje kontakti dhe lidhje me to. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 02:37:02 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 02:37:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka??? References: Message-ID: <002001bfb012$f64ffb80$325d4382@sylo> Muhabet intersant po zhvillohet ketu. Eshte shume tipike, qe ne Balkan te politizohet qdo gje. Disa thane se nuk i kane qendrimet raciste, por frigohen me shume per "asimilimin" e kombit, etj. I njejti arsyetim perdoret nga racistat e neonazistat. Popujt e Europes nuk po i frigohen asimilimit, pse? A nuk po iu a ndika atyre per komb te vetin a?. Nje vajze, siq ishte ajo per te cilen po disktojme, nuk ka pergjegjesi per "ruajtjen" e kombit tone. Duke u zhvilluar ekonomisht, duke u demokratizuar dhe modernizuar do te behemi me te forte - e jo duke e ruajtur "racen" ose "gjakun" . Ose ne menyre linkuiste duke pohuar se kinse qenkemi nje popull, tek te cili, krishtenizmi (2000 vjet?) paska ardh edhe para lindjes se Krishtit! Nese vazhdohet me keso marrina, se shpejti do te dalin kesi fare histrorian dhe filozof te popullit tone me teori se edhe Zoti na qenka shqiptare. Une mendoj se duhet te zgjohemi dhe t'i leme keto romantizma nacionale dhe te fillojme te merremi me realitetet. Tung te gjithve . Faqja ime ne internet: http://home.sol.no/~sylo ----- Original Message ----- From: Albi Qeli To: Sent: 27. april 2000 02:09 Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka??? > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > Ndiej brengosje te thelle per fatin e asaj vajze, e cila per shkak te > > racizmit te pakuptimt ne shoqerine e saje, u detyrua te ike dhe te > > Nuk po e marr vesh si ishte kjo pune; A iku ajo vajze se i thane > shqiptaret te ikte? Apo e pati mendjen me ike dhe pastaj shkoi dhe e gjeti > zezakun per ta ndihmu? > > > A eshte nje zezak me pak i vlefshem se sa nje shqiptare > > Jo -- e as nuk e tha kush kete; porse ruajtja e trashegimise dhe e gjuhes > shqiptare eshte e rendesishme per mendimin tim; > > Po m'duket se ca e kane kuptu gabim kete muhabetin e kosoves multietnike, > e tash po duhet medoemos me e pru nganje perfaqesues nga cdo vend i botes; > > > ngjyres se lekures ?? Kush jemi ne, qe te konsiderojme njerezit tjere aq > > ulet? > > Nuk e konsideroi kush zezakun te ulet; > > > A duhet ne te turperohemi, per shkak se nje vajze shqiptare, > > paska zgjedhur nje zezak si dashnore, ose bahkshortes? Une, mendoj se me > > Une nuk po turperohem fare. Vetem po them se sikur 50% te vajzave e te > djemve shqiptare te martohen me te huaj, brenda 3-4 brezash s'ka per te > patur me shqiptare. > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From ardian at prishtina-net.com Thu Apr 27 03:22:37 2000 From: ardian at prishtina-net.com (Ardian Jashari) Date: Thu Apr 27 03:22:37 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka??? Message-ID: <200004270722.AAA32617@mail10.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From DNV990 at cj.aubg.bg Thu Apr 27 03:40:07 2000 From: DNV990 at cj.aubg.bg (Velija Dardan NA) Date: Thu Apr 27 03:40:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. A Message-ID: Hajde per hajr na kofte! Po ku po mendon bre se raca shqiptare eshte e paster. Kerkun ne bote e mas paku ne ballkan munet me pase raca te pasterta. Ne ballkan gjate historise kane ardhur mbi 180 fise te ndryshme e tash jan nja shtate a tete kombe, ku jane tash ato fiese?. A e dini veq sa romakt, grekt , sllavt e turqit kane kapercy neper tokat tona. A e dini sa e ngrehnja ka shku neper male gjat luftrave e invazioneve te ndryshme. Mos ti permeni kryqezatat. E jo po dilni tash e po ma mbroni racen shqiptare tu i kufizu lirite personale. Ato mendimet e juja muni me i gjete ne Iran edhe ne mesjete. Anglezet e gjermanet nuk po mujne me rujte gjakun e po muni ju. Secili ka te drejte me u martu me ka te dojne. "Munesh me ba cka te duash perderisa nuk me shkele ne kam"! pershendetje, d From preshev at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 04:09:00 2000 From: preshev at yahoo.com (Armend Bilalli) Date: Thu Apr 27 04:09:00 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Turp!! Message-ID: <20000427080857.4430.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Pershendetje te gjitheve!!! Eshte bere shume interesant ky muhabeti asaj "Nigerianes". Kam vene re nje gje e cila me ben shume pershtypje dhe kjo eshte CIvilizimi i tepruar apo me mire te themi civilizim i rreme i disave ne liste sepse shumica e atyre te cilet e mbrojne ate vajze te shkrete jane ne perendim ose Gjetke diku ne Amerike. Mos harroni zoterinj te nderuar civilizimin e gjysherve tuaj, duhet keto muhabete te ja ngulitni fillimisht baballareve dhe gjysherve tuaj e pastaj neve ketu ne liste. Sepse kur flasim per nje mendim personal tuajin apo timin une e jam shume dakord por neve duhet te flasim ne pergjithesi per masen shqiptare per mentalitetin shqipter. Nuk eshte ketu problem race as problem feje se Shqiptaret nuk kane qene kurre racista. Ajo edhe mund te kete pasur njemije arsye qe ta bente nje gje te tille por problemi qendron se A duhet neve te pranojme nj gje te tille apo jo? apo te gjykojme si? thoshte njeri ketu ne liste se Zezaku bombardoi milloshevi?in!! tani per kete te pranojme edhe ate qe kurre ska qene e pranuar nga Shqiptaret nje gje e tille, Apo doni te civilizoni me zor Shqiptaret. Une them se menyra me e mire e diskutimit eshte qe te mos personalizohen gjerat si? po ndosh ketu por te jemi realist dhe te flasim per realitetin shqiptar, per ate cfare ndjejme realisht ne apo me mire baballaret tane apo gjysherit tane, apo ska rendesi se ?fare mendojne ata tani kane ardhe kohe te tjera!!! Me shume rrespekt Armendi --- Sylo Taraku wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Ndiej brengosje te thelle per fatin e asaj vajze, e > cila per shkak te racizmit te pakuptimt ne shoqerine > e saje, u detyrua te ike dhe te fshehe "turpin". > Une jam me shume i brengosur, per shkak te disa > qendrimeve te disa te mjereve ne kete forum, te > cilet me irritojne me racizmin dhe prapambeturine e > tyre. Cka mendojne keta zoteri ? A eshte nje zezak > me pak i vlefshem se sa nje shqiptare, vetem per > shkak te ngjyres se lekures ?? Kush jemi ne, qe te > konsiderojme njerezit tjere aq ulet? A duhet ne te > turperohemi, per shkak se nje vajze shqiptare, paska > zgjedhur nje zezak si dashnore, ose bahkshortes? > Une, mendoj se me shume duhet te turperohemi, per > faktin se ajo u detyrua te ike nga vendi i saje, qe > nuk pranon te perziej "gjakun" me "race" tjeter. > Sepse kinse "gjaku" ose "raca" jone qenka me i > pasterta. Teori tipike naziste! > > Me mire keta te shkrete te turperohem se ne si > shqipetare jemi populli me i varfer i Europes, jo > vetem materialisht. Jemi bere hal e zeze ne Europe > per shkak te kriminalitetit te ndotur me droge, > prostitucion, etj. etj... > Njerezit nga te kater anet e botes kane ardhur ne > Kosove, qe te na mbrojne, te na ushqejne, te > udheheqin vendin tone, dhe te na mesojne se si > ushehiqet nje vend dhe se qka eshte demokracia. Nese > qendrimet e ketij forumi reprezentojne opinionin e > popullit, atehere, demokracia eshte shume larg ne > Kosove. Sepse demokracia nuk eshte vetem zgjedhjet e > lira. Demokraci eshte edhe liria e nje vajze ta > zgjedhe dashnorin ose burrin qe i pelqen asaj, pa > patur nevoje te mendoje se a i pelqen kjo Shyqit, > Armendit, Shkumbimit, apo Arjanitit. > > Syla > Norvegji > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Armend Bilalli > To: > Sent: 26. april 2000 21:55 > Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume > ne nigger.A edhe Kjo paska bere vaki A!!!! > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Pershendetje!! > > Eshte Hera e pare qe shkruaj ne kete liste, edhe > tani > > qe vendosa te shkruaj nuk do te zgjatem shume, Jo > per > > gje por me vjen turp te jap nje mendim lidhur me > ate > > Vajzen e cila eshte martuar me nje Nigerian > > gjithashtu nuk jamdakord fare me ate parafolsin i > cili > > arrin deri aty sa ta mbroje ate Vajze. > > Nuk e paragjykoj ate Vajzen sepse mbase ajo mund > te > > kete qene ndonje e smure apo kushedi se cfare por > ju > > paragjykoj ju qe diskutoni per nje gje te tille > sepse > > nuk duhet diskutuar fare, sepse nje gje e tille > per > > mendimin tim duhet te jete e papranueshme nga te > > gjithe ne Shqiptaret.Po te pranonim nje MArtese me > te > > huaj ateher ku do shkoje Identiteti jone?, > Gjithashtu > > po sikur te na ndodhi neve ne familjet tona si do > > ndjeheshim a do te na vinte mire O SHYQ ? Sepse > t'i po > > e mbroje ate vajzen > > Ne fund ju pershendes nga Toka e Pushtuar. > > Ju lutem ruani Identitetin, fene sepse Ai e mbajti > > Kosoven Gjalle > > > > > > --- Shyq Zabeli wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum > --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > kadale he burre e mos u turre kshtu! po na nuk > jem > > > race e rame prej havaje > > > mos me guxu mu martu me t'tjeret. (edhe pse edhe > une > > > jam i martua me > > > shqiptare, dhe sma merre mendja se kisha mu > martue > > > me ndonje te huaj, por per > > > shkaqe tjera e jo per shkaqet qi nxirren nga ky > mail > > > i arianitit). > > > > > > per hesap temin, ma budallaki t'madhe bone ti, > > > arianit, me qit tekst se > > > ajo vajza,qi ska pase qare pa ike, se e ka dite > qi > > > ka t'baje me ahmaka si ti. > > > > > > shyqa > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum > --- > > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me > zezak > > > ish kon tu dek ne > > > > airoport > > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak > e > > > ike nga prishtina me > > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni > plak ne > > > gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail > at > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > > > > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From stingblood at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 07:26:45 2000 From: stingblood at hotmail.com (Kryeziu Behar) Date: Thu Apr 27 07:26:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Forum Message-ID: <20000427112546.29322.qmail@hotmail.com> Turp duhet asaj mi ardhe, jo neve. Ajo ka bo krime ndaj kombit tane, e ka mbyt nje femije shqiptar dhe ne vend tina e ka pru nje zezak. Ajo eshte kriminalitet ma i madhe qe mundet njeriu me ba kunder kombit. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 07:31:14 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 07:31:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Forum Message-ID: <20000427113113.17919.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kryeziu Behar wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Turp duhet asaj mi ardhe, jo neve. Ajo ka bo krime > ndaj kombit tane, e ka > mbyt > nje femije shqiptar dhe ne vend tina e ka pru nje > zezak. Ajo eshte > kriminalitet ma i madhe qe mundet njeriu me ba > kunder kombit. Mos e din kush nenin e kodit penal (apo kanunit) cilin e ka shkele ajo cika se diqysh s'po m'kujtohet? bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk Thu Apr 27 08:10:10 2000 From: K992911 at Kingston.ac.uk (Avdyl Gashi) Date: Thu Apr 27 08:10:10 2000 Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martum Message-ID: <200004271210.e3RCA9906106@alb-net.com> Confirmation of reading: your message - Date: 27 Apr 00, 10:55 To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. A Was read at 13:06, 27 Apr 100. From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 09:18:30 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 09:18:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nji lajm interesant Message-ID: <20000427131801.4394.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Yugoslav agency says Bin Laden is in Kosovo Thursday, 27-Apr-2000 12:10AM Story from AFP Copyright 2000 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BELGRADE, April 27 (AFP) - Islamic Saudi millionaire Osama bin Laden, wanted for terrorism by the United States, is in Kosovo, the official Yugoslav news agency Tanjug said Wednesday. "After hiding out for several years in Afghanistan," the agency said in a despatch from Kosovo's capital Pristina, bin Laden "has found a new refuge in the Balkans, precisely in Kosovo, the nest of European terrorism." Tanjug said bin Laden, whom the agency described as a "terrorist and Islamic fanatic," arrived from Albania after having formed a group of 500 Islamic fighters in the eastern region around Korce and Pogradec to carry out "terrorist acts" in Kosovo. He also planned similar acts in the southern region of Serbia bordering on Kosovo including Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac, the Yugoslav agency said. Tension has been mounting in the region over the past 10 days, with many armed incidents and increasing ethnic Albanian demands. Its population includes some 70,000 ethnic Albanians, many of whom have complained of being harassed or maltreated by the Serbian police. Tanjug said bin Laden arrived in Kosovo accompanied by "a close collaborator, Abu Hassan." Bin Laden is wanted by the United States in connection with the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in which 224 people were killed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch Thu Apr 27 10:26:56 2000 From: mentor.latifi at stud.unibas.ch (Mentor Latifi) Date: Thu Apr 27 10:26:56 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger Message-ID: <39084E4E.59520244@stud.unibas.ch> [...] se kete vend nuk po e kishte fale perendija per ?erkez, turq, manove(?), likurazez por per do sokola mali, qi shqiptare bota po i quete per ta gzue kta djale pas djali der qi jeta mos tu shuete [...] Gjergj Fishta Lahuta e malcise, From jeton at spray.se Thu Apr 27 10:35:07 2000 From: jeton at spray.se (jeton at spray.se) Date: Thu Apr 27 10:35:07 2000 Subject: RCPT: Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martum Message-ID: <21273547@spray.se> M? fal por gjithkush ka drejt t? vendos se me k? t? do t? Martohet. E dreisa ne Shqip?tar?t n? 90% t? rrasteve i kaqtrajtojm Grat tona pse mos ta k?rkon fatin diku tjet?r (po haroh se deri dje kemi pas martesa me ata q? desh?n t? na ?'farosin). Po t? luten mos ofendo me p?rdorimin e fjal?ve t? NDYTA Me p?rsh?ndetje t? p?rzem?rt. Jetoni _________________________________________s_p_r_a_y_ H?r b?rjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet p? http://www.spray.se From zabeli at gmx.de Thu Apr 27 10:53:28 2000 From: zabeli at gmx.de (Shyq Zabeli) Date: Thu Apr 27 10:53:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger References: <39084E4E.59520244@stud.unibas.ch> Message-ID: <28598.956847204@www17.gmx.net> vallha po; per ?ata edhe i dulen sokolat e malit vjet tokes t'tyne zot... mos t'kokshin "tjeret" kene tu na farue per s'gjalli. e sa i perket fishtes ai ka pa thane mduket: le ta dije gjithe bota mbare se gjerjg fishta s'ashte ma shqyptare shyqa > > [...] > se kete vend > nuk po e kishte fale perendija > per ?erkez, turq, manove(?), likurazez > por per do sokola mali, qi shqiptare bota po i quete > per ta gzue kta djale pas djali > der qi jeta mos tu shuete > [...] > > Gjergj Fishta > Lahuta e malcise, > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 11:08:58 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 11:08:58 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger Message-ID: <20000427150702.26008.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shyq Zabeli wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > vallha po; per ?ata edhe i dulen sokolat e malit > vjet tokes t'tyne zot.... > mos t'kokshin "tjeret" kene tu na farue per > s'gjalli. > > e sa i perket fishtes ai ka pa thane mduket: > le ta dije gjithe bota mbare > se gjerjg fishta s'ashte ma shqyptare Qashtu e ka interpretue Enver Hoxha. Ndersa thane ka si vijon (ne poemen satirike(!) metamorphosis, Anzat e Parnasit) Qe besa, or burra, Nuk dij kah t'?aj?, Mbasi do t'thirret Sod derri daj?... Me anmiq t'Shqypn?s Un pa u frigue Mjaft jam, i mjeri, Kacagjelue. ... T'a dij? Shqypnija Pr?, e sheklli mbar?, Se m? mbas sodit Uu s'jam Shqypt?r, ... Un kam me shndrrue S? her? t'due fisin. Ksht?, kam me r? Un n'mbramet Grek, Kam me ndjeh? n'nesret Shkj? ja Zejbek. D?r sod kje? dhanun Per gjuh? shqyptare: Por shka, me sodjet, Per mue dal?t fare. Per mue jan? baras Si buk? si pane, Por due qi gjindja Pa t? t'mos m'l?ne. ... krejt tekstin muni me gjete ne http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/6656/FishtaAnzat2.html > > shyqa > > > > > > [...] > > se kete vend > > nuk po e kishte fale perendija > > per ?erkez, turq, manove(?), likurazez > > por per do sokola mali, qi shqiptare bota po i > quete > > per ta gzue kta djale pas djali > > der qi jeta mos tu shuete > > [...] > > > > Gjergj Fishta > > Lahuta e malcise, > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From gugja at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 12:59:46 2000 From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI) Date: Thu Apr 27 12:59:46 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Per ju intelektualt eshte kjo Message-ID: <20000427165938.36773.qmail@hotmail.com> Per ate vajze di edhe ma shume. Kurr e ka pa zezaki mjekun shqiptar ne spital ka kqyr kah me ike. Niggerja ka thon "UNE IKA PREJ SHQIPTARVE E RASHE NE SHQIPTAR". Ajo femen i ka prinderit e shkollun "intelektual sikur do ketu" Ju qe kini kqy sikur me i pas xekrat dome ju vet diqka. A e dini sa milion Kosovar jemi? A edhe torishta e kopilave po na duhet tash ne Kosove? Kush e pruni AIDS ne Kosove? Keni me pas raste me lexu ose edhe me pa foto te keti rasti edhe ku jeton ajo vajze tash. Njoni ktu ishte shume demokrat bre.."babe jom peder" "babe du me marre zezakin".Demokracin e paske kuptu keq bre djal..... Turp ma te madhe ska ku shkon. Une nuk jom kunder martese me te huje po jom kunder marrtese me fare te flliqte. Tash kjo per njenin qe kishte thone qe mashkujte shqiptar shkojne me Ruse.... edhe me zezake.E vertet eshte kjo edhe une jom kunder atyne po ata nuk po i marrin per gra edhe nuk po qelin kopila te zi. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu Thu Apr 27 13:39:42 2000 From: dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu (Diar Gashi) Date: Thu Apr 27 13:39:42 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nji lajm interesant In-Reply-To: <20000427131801.4394.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ha Ha, edhe populli Serb i beson ktyne lajmeve. On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Shkumbin Brestovci wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Yugoslav agency says Bin Laden is in Kosovo > Thursday, 27-Apr-2000 12:10AM Story from AFP > Copyright 2000 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > BELGRADE, April 27 (AFP) - Islamic Saudi millionaire > Osama bin Laden, wanted for terrorism by the United > States, is in Kosovo, the official Yugoslav news > agency Tanjug said Wednesday. > > "After hiding out for several years in Afghanistan," > the agency said in a despatch from Kosovo's capital > Pristina, bin Laden "has found a new refuge in the > Balkans, precisely in Kosovo, the nest of European > terrorism." > > Tanjug said bin Laden, whom the agency described as a > "terrorist and Islamic fanatic," arrived from Albania > after having formed a group of 500 Islamic fighters in > the eastern region around Korce and Pogradec to carry > out "terrorist acts" in Kosovo. > > He also planned similar acts in the southern region of > Serbia bordering on Kosovo including Presevo, Medvedja > and Bujanovac, the Yugoslav agency said. > > Tension has been mounting in the region over the past > 10 days, with many armed incidents and increasing > ethnic Albanian demands. Its population includes some > 70,000 ethnic Albanians, many of whom have complained > of being harassed or maltreated by the Serbian police. > > Tanjug said bin Laden arrived in Kosovo accompanied by > "a close collaborator, Abu Hassan." > > Bin Laden is wanted by the United States in connection > with the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Kenya > and Tanzania, in which 224 people were killed. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From ardian at prishtina-net.com Thu Apr 27 13:43:10 2000 From: ardian at prishtina-net.com (Ardian Jashari) Date: Thu Apr 27 13:43:10 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Per ju intelektualt eshte kjo Message-ID: <200004271743.KAA01484@mail13.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From mehollim at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 13:52:38 2000 From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli) Date: Thu Apr 27 13:52:38 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> Zoti Puka: Si mundesh me qene kaq mendjelete dhe naiv qe edhe i quan femijet e prindeve te racave te ndryshme "gjysem gorilla"? Njerezit me ngjyre "jo te bardhe te lekures" nuk kane asgje mangu prej neve. Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh qfare race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te martohet me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e trupit!!!! Mimoza >From: "G.S" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] >Date: 26 Apr 00 14:43:45 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > >10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me >zezak. >A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki e >me >ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te >rrala. >Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe ne >te >ikin jashte trojet tona. > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > airoport > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 14:04:12 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:04:12 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003f01bfb072$f4c6e8e0$f45e4382@sylo> Bravo Mimoza, Vetem duke i mbrojtur te drejtat, femrat e shtypura te Kosoves, mund te emancipohen dhe t'i shkaterrojne te gjitha kanunet e Lek Dugaxhinave dhe racizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta etj. Une kam degjuar se nje shqiptare (spo me kujtohet emri) kendohet ne kenge per "trimerine" dhe "partiotizmin" e tije. Ai e kishte vra vajzen e vet, sepse ishte martu me nje kroat ! Syla ----- Original Message ----- From: Mimoza Meholli To: Sent: 27. april 2000 19:51 Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Zoti Puka: > Si mundesh me qene kaq mendjelete dhe naiv qe edhe i quan femijet e > prindeve te racave te ndryshme "gjysem gorilla"? > Njerezit me ngjyre "jo te bardhe te lekures" nuk kane asgje mangu prej > neve. Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo > ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh qfare > race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. > Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te martohet > me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e trupit!!!! > Mimoza > > > > >From: "G.S" > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > >Date: 26 Apr 00 14:43:45 EDT > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > >10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me > >zezak. > >A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki e > >me > >ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te > >rrala. > >Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe ne > >te > >ikin jashte trojet tona. > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > > airoport > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 14:13:49 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:13:49 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Per ju intelektualt eshte kjo References: <20000427165938.36773.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <01af01bfb074$5e4d91a0$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Tung, Arianit, ti sigurisht din edhe najsen henez po s'po na difton. Muj me thane qi perkunder ketyne skjarimeve plotesuese un prap nuk e kam te kjarte ne cka kisht mujte me konsistue budallaku i asaj cikes. Me 'sap kam qillue edhe u far intelektuali i perhanet he mozomakeq. Edhe me 'sap i kam perzi vlerat e demokracise me ato te Punk-Rockut. By the way momentalisht ne ATV (ne televizionin e pare privat austriak) po e japin filmin Total Eclipse me Leonardo di Caprion, ku ky shoqi e luen rolin e Arthur Rimbaudse. Story i filmit asht koncipue si love-story mes Rimbaudse edhe Paul Verlaineit. Wow! me pase dijte baba i vet cka po marojne keta tinza. bresta > Per ate vajze di edhe ma shume. Kurr e ka pa zezaki mjekun > shqiptar ne spital ka kqyr kah me ike. Niggerja ka thon "UNE IKA PREJ > SHQIPTARVE E RASHE NE SHQIPTAR". > Ajo femen i ka prinderit e shkollun "intelektual sikur do ketu" > Ju qe kini kqy sikur me i pas xekrat dome ju vet diqka. > A e dini sa milion Kosovar jemi? A edhe torishta e kopilave po na > duhet tash ne Kosove? Kush e pruni AIDS ne Kosove? > Keni me pas raste me lexu ose edhe me pa foto te keti rasti edhe ku > jeton ajo vajze tash. > Njoni ktu ishte shume demokrat bre.."babe jom peder" "babe du me > marre zezakin".Demokracin e paske kuptu keq bre djal..... > Turp ma te madhe ska ku shkon. Une nuk jom kunder martese me te > huje po jom kunder marrtese me fare te flliqte. > > > Tash kjo per njenin qe kishte thone qe mashkujte shqiptar shkojne me > Ruse.... edhe me zezake.E vertet eshte kjo edhe une jom kunder atyne > po ata nuk po i marrin per gra edhe nuk po qelin kopila te zi. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From pilika at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 14:14:30 2000 From: pilika at yahoo.com (Asti Pilika) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:14:30 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427181427.26241.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Jungjatjeta, Vete nuk jam prej Kosove, por nje kosovar me ka thene se problemin e sheh te influenca e demshme e farefisit. Ideja ishte se familja e kupton me mire anetarin e vet, kurse farefisi ndodhet ne nje pozicion te keq. Eshte larg sa te gjykoje ftohtas e ne menyre te pavarur, por prane sa te kete ndikim destruktiv edhe brenda familjes. Mirpres mendimet tuaja. Asti __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 14:28:06 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:28:06 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <20000427182703.29925.qmail@nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net> >Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo >ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh >qfare race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. >Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te >martohet me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e ?>trupit!!!! Mimoza Mos me shtin me vjedh. Dmthn ti ski kundershtim mu martu me magjup ne kosove ? Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per me ju bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e krejt ne kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 14:37:51 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:37:51 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani cka? References: <20000427182703.29925.qmail@nwcst277.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <007001bfb077$a8fb46e0$f45e4382@sylo> Se pari: nese deshiron te marresh pjese ne diskutim, eshte mire qe te prezentohesh dhe mos te fshihesh ashtu pas inicaleve. Kjo nuk eshte ferr, eshte menyre frigacake e diskutimit. E dyta, mos i personalizo diskutimet. Ti nuk ke nevoje ta pyesesh Mimozen ne menyre personale. Ne ketu jemi duke diskutuar per principe. ----- Original Message ----- From: G.S To: Sent: 27. april 2000 20:27 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo > >ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh >qfare > race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. > >Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te >martohet > me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e ?>trupit!!!! Mimoza > > Mos me shtin me vjedh. Dmthn ti ski kundershtim mu martu me magjup ne kosove ? > Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per me ju > bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e krejt ne > kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 14:54:00 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 14:54:00 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Disa statistika per ju "intellektualt" Message-ID: <20000427185358.27982.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net> Ju qe jeni kampionet e ideas multi-racore qe disa statistika : 1- Prej 100 Femije qe lindin ne bote VETEM 4 JAN TE BARDHE. 2- Ne vitin 1900 , 45 % botes ka qene evropian dhe pasardhes te evropianve, tashti eshte 15 %. 3- Ne vitin 1950 Amerika ka qene 89% e bardhe, tashti eshte 74% dhe parashifet mu bo minoritet ne 2050 (dmthhn 49%). 4- Gjitha shtetet e evropes jan tu hup populsi, qe dmthn zezakt e magjupt kan me ardhe ne vend tyre. Italia poplsin e ka 57 million, ne vitin 2030 para shifet me pas 39 million (afer 20 million italian kan mu zhduk mbrenda 30 vjetve !!). Ju gjith (intellektualet) jeni per perzimjen e shteteve te bardha me raca te zeza, po shtetet e zeza a po perzihen me te bardhe ? A po merr Nigeria ose Zimbabwe shqiptar si immigranta ? (Me qene ne zimbabwe te kishin mbyt qitashti) Jo te zezat kan me mbet te zi, dhe te bardhat kan mu bo te zi. Afrika eshte tu qu val te njerzve pa kufi, dhe raca bardhe ka mu zhduke prej faqes kesaj bote, po a merzitet najkush per kete pune ? Jo ma shume merziten per naj balen ose peshke qe eshte afer zhkujes se sa races te bardhe, dhe ata qe mendojin ose e permendin kete pune jan racist dhe Nazist simbas ketyre "intellektualve", i ziu me qene krenar se eshte zezak eshte normal, i bardhi me qene krenar se eshte i bardhe eshte racist. Shoke/Shoqe : Greqia eshte nje shembull qe mundet mu krahasu me ne, para 30 vjetve ka qene e varfer si kosova/shqiperia, para 10 vjetva ska pas as nje zezak, tashti ne Athine nuk mundesh me hec 1 Km pa pa zezak (edhe ato me femra te bardha), Lojtari pare zezak ja ka fillu me lujt per ekipin e greqise ne futbal (edhe thote se eshte grek !!). Nuk ma ndine per greqine, po greqija/italia mundet me qene si shtetet me histori 50 vjeqare ma se afer neve. Miss Italia zezake !!!! Cka eshte kjo pune ? Vetem nje minut blokoje kryt prej filmave, lajmeve dhe informacionin tjeter perendimor qe e qete kete propagande perzirje-racave, dhe kujtoji krejt shoket/ miqet/ baballaret etj qe i keni ne trojet shqiptar, keta kadal kadale mbrenda disa gjeneratave mu bo komplet zezak, ajo eshte synimi i ketyre "intellektualve", dhe presin qe na me gjith zemer kete ide banale tyre jo vetem me pranu , po edhe me qene pjestaresh ne kete masakar kombetar. Rrofshit sa malet vellezer dhe motra shqiptar. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From mehollim at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 15:01:10 2000 From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:01:10 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <20000427190102.69243.qmail@hotmail.com> Bravo, Bash qashtu ka me qene te bardhet e te zit me pasosha te njejte!!! Vellazenim e Bashkim ne Kosoven e lire :o) PS. une nuk kame kurrfar nevoje me majt qendrim te njejt me kerkon, edhe nuk mundesh me me para-gjyku mu se qfare njeri jom!!! Mimoza >From: "G.S" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. >Date: 27 Apr 00 14:27:03 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo > >ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh > >qfare >race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. > >Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te > >martohet >me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e ?>trupit!!!! Mimoza > >Mos me shtin me vjedh. Dmthn ti ski kundershtim mu martu me magjup ne >kosove ? >Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per me >ju >bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e krejt ne >kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From mukata at swissonline.ch Thu Apr 27 15:11:51 2000 From: mukata at swissonline.ch (Bajram Mukata) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:11:51 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] nji lajm interesant References: <20000427131801.4394.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301bfb07c$6b3c2400$635318c3@default> cfare rrene, ky lajm nuk mundet te jete i vertet, kur dihet se afro 7000 ushtare amerikane ndodhen ne Kosove dhe menjeher do ta arrestonin -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: "Shkumbin Brestovci" An: Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. April 2000 15:18 Betreff: [Prishtina-l] nji lajm interesant > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Yugoslav agency says Bin Laden is in Kosovo > Thursday, 27-Apr-2000 12:10AM Story from AFP > Copyright 2000 by Agence France-Presse (via ClariNet) > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ > BELGRADE, April 27 (AFP) - Islamic Saudi millionaire > Osama bin Laden, wanted for terrorism by the United > States, is in Kosovo, the official Yugoslav news > agency Tanjug said Wednesday. > > "After hiding out for several years in Afghanistan," > the agency said in a despatch from Kosovo's capital > Pristina, bin Laden "has found a new refuge in the > Balkans, precisely in Kosovo, the nest of European > terrorism." > > Tanjug said bin Laden, whom the agency described as a > "terrorist and Islamic fanatic," arrived from Albania > after having formed a group of 500 Islamic fighters in > the eastern region around Korce and Pogradec to carry > out "terrorist acts" in Kosovo. > > He also planned similar acts in the southern region of > Serbia bordering on Kosovo including Presevo, Medvedja > and Bujanovac, the Yugoslav agency said. > > Tension has been mounting in the region over the past > 10 days, with many armed incidents and increasing > ethnic Albanian demands. Its population includes some > 70,000 ethnic Albanians, many of whom have complained > of being harassed or maltreated by the Serbian police. > > Tanjug said bin Laden arrived in Kosovo accompanied by > "a close collaborator, Abu Hassan." > > Bin Laden is wanted by the United States in connection > with the 1998 bombings of the US embassies in Kenya > and Tanzania, in which 224 people were killed. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 15:13:08 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:13:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Video shume interesant !!! References: <20000427181427.26241.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008901bfb07c$97223d20$f45e4382@sylo> Eksperi ushtarak ne Pentagon, Jamie McIntyre, shkruan per CNN, se ushtrija e SHBAs e ka bere publike nje video, nga cockpit i avionit F-16 i cili u rrezua me 2. mai 1999 . Linkun e kan vendosur ne faqet e mija ne internet: http://home.sol.no/~sylo PS! video nuk eshte aq i qarte, por ne fund mund te shifet edhe aksioni shpetimtare. ----- Original Message ----- From: Asti Pilika To: Sent: 27. april 2000 20:14 Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Jungjatjeta, > > Vete nuk jam prej Kosove, por nje kosovar me ka thene > se problemin e sheh te influenca e demshme e > farefisit. Ideja ishte se familja e kupton me mire > anetarin e vet, kurse farefisi ndodhet ne nje pozicion > te keq. Eshte larg sa te gjykoje ftohtas e ne menyre > te pavarur, por prane sa te kete ndikim destruktiv > edhe brenda familjes. > > Mirpres mendimet tuaja. > > Asti > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From dardan at prishtina.com Thu Apr 27 15:29:32 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:29:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <200004271534.AA93913728@prishtina.com> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "G.S" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: 27 Apr 00 14:27:03 EDT > >>Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo >>ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh >qfare >race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. >>Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te >martohet >me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e ?>trupit!!!! Mimoza > >Mos me shtin me vjedh. Dmthn ti ski kundershtim mu martu me magjup ne kosove ? >Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per me ju >bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e krejt ne >kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. Ani de Gemb, edhe ashtu krejt jon kah veshen edhe kah munohen me u bo si zezakt, me muzike e me tona aspektet tjera... Dmth veq ngjyra ju ka mungu, po si duket tash edhe ajo deshire don me ju plotesu. =) Dardani From ramis39 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 15:54:17 2000 From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:54:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <20000427195409.84655.qmail@hotmail.com> A thua bash ka ardhe koha se kur Shqiparet martohen me te tjeret,me qene krejt normale. Mua kjo spo me duket normale, bash se ajo fisnikja paska jetu ne Kosove, e jo jashta. Po me vret shume kjo budallaki, se jam i bindun se ne si komb nuk kem arritur nivelin e duhur me pase mundesi qe te perzihemi me kombe te tjera. A aq larg paskem arrit qe e vetmja menyre e stimulimit te shoqerise sane eshte martesa me te huajt? Kundershtimi im ndaj kesaj ndodhie, ska te beje kurrgja me racizem. Une jam vetem skeptik nese jem gati, se ka me na ardhe koha qe kjo do te jete dukuri normale. Po besoj se ajo kohe nuk eshte tash. Nese jem aq "demokrat", e ta lejojme martesen, me nigerianin, italianin, kanedezin, amerikanin, spanjollin, etj, cka na ndal me u martu neser me SERBIN?????? Ramis Ahmetaj >From: "Mimoza Meholli" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:01:02 PDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Bravo, >Bash qashtu ka me qene te bardhet e te zit me pasosha te njejte!!! >Vellazenim e Bashkim ne Kosoven e lire :o) >PS. une nuk kame kurrfar nevoje me majt qendrim te njejt me kerkon, edhe >nuk >mundesh me me para-gjyku mu se qfare njeri jom!!! >Mimoza > > >>From: "G.S" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. >>Date: 27 Apr 00 14:27:03 EDT >> >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> >> >Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo >> >ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh >> >qfare >>race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. >> >Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te >> >martohet >>me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e ?>trupit!!!! >>Mimoza >> >>Mos me shtin me vjedh. Dmthn ti ski kundershtim mu martu me magjup ne >>kosove ? >>Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per me >>ju >>bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e krejt ne >>kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. >> >> >>____________________________________________________________________ >>Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 >> >>_____________________________________________________ >>Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >>http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From v_noci at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 15:55:50 2000 From: v_noci at hotmail.com (viktor noci) Date: Thu Apr 27 15:55:50 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000427195543.11939.qmail@hotmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 16:01:24 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:01:24 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] U ngute pak a ? References: <20000427195543.11939.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <00c701bfb083$4a5a4ee0$f45e4382@sylo> Viktor qka dashta me thone, adhahile ? Mundesh me provu opet ! ----- Original Message ----- From: viktor noci To: Sent: 27. april 2000 21:55 Subject: [Prishtina-l] (no subject) > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu Thu Apr 27 16:03:40 2000 From: dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu (Diar Gashi) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:03:40 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? In-Reply-To: References: <001201bfafd9$c3e9b2a0$735e4382@sylo> Message-ID: <4.3.1.0.20000427153805.00a81670@mail.ic.sunysb.edu> At 07:09 PM 4/26/00 -0500, you wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Une nuk po turperohem fare. Vetem po them se sikur 50% te vajzave e te >djemve shqiptare te martohen me te huaj, brenda 3-4 brezash s'ka per te >patur me shqiptare. Nuk eshte e vertete. Femrat/mashkujt shqiptare qe perzihen me ndonje race/nacionalitet tjeter kan mundesi qe bashkeshort-in/en dhe femijet ti integrojne dhe asimilojne ne shqiptarizm. Prandaj kombi yne nuk do te zhdukej. Po ne si popull, nese nuk pranojme vepra te tilla dhe i fyejme apo i perqeshim, atehere ata/ato do te largohen jashte rrethit shqiptare, dhe me te vertete do ta humbin faren. >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 16:04:25 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:04:25 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427181427.26241.qmail@web804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <027e01bfb083$c4a957e0$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Asti Pilika shkruejti > Jungjatjeta, > > Vete nuk jam prej Kosove, por nje kosovar me ka thene > se problemin e sheh te influenca e demshme e > farefisit. Ideja ishte se familja e kupton me mire > anetarin e vet, kurse farefisi ndodhet ne nje pozicion > te keq. Eshte larg sa te gjykoje ftohtas e ne menyre > te pavarur, por prane sa te kete ndikim destruktiv > edhe brenda familjes. > > Mirpres mendimet tuaja. > > Asti Kurgja s'asht ndikimi i farefisit cka asht ai bashkekombasvet tjere jashta fares e fisit, sic po shifet edhe prej reagimeve ne liste. Sidokjofte ai kosovari t'paska informue mire per relacionet farefisnore te kosovarevet, qi me gjase po ndryshojkan koxha shum prej atyne t'krahines ke ke origjinen vete. bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From fisnike at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 16:05:16 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:05:16 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Message-ID: <20000427200509.46454.qmail@hotmail.com> >Tu ju falenderu femrave si ti edhe djemve qe njekin femrave si ti (per >me>juv>bo qefin e majin njejtin qendrim), kan me ardhe zezakt, pederat e >krejt ne >kosoven e ardhshme. Ka me qene zezaki me pasosh kosoves e ka me fol shqip. > Nuk mundem te lexoj kete qendrim e te mos reagoj. Se pari lista eshte ehte e hapur per diskutime dhe jo per sulmime personale. Tema ishte vajza dhe gjendja e saj e mjeruar, prandaj do te ishte mire qe argumentet tia drejtojme kesaj teme. Nuk ka gje te keqe me ardhjen e njerezve nga nacionalitet/racave e tjera ne Kosove. Eshte plotesisht gje hipokrite te shiqojme drejt shteteve tjera per ndihme, kur gjendja kaotike mbizoteron Kosoven, por tua mbyllim dyert te huajve kur ata (pa i marre parasysh rrethanat) vijne ne vendin tone. Pajtohem me Mimozen, eshte mekat ta gjykosh njeriun nga ngjyra e lekures. Eshte nje gjykim tejet i siperfaqesor dhe rezultat i nje te menduari te ceket. Nese tentojme qe Kosova te perqafoje nje regjim demokratik, atehere duhet ti pranojne gjerat qe per disa munden te jene te papranuara e njera prej tyre eshte liria e GRUAS/VAJZES kosovare te vendose vet per fatin e saj, dhe njekohesisht liria e zezakve apo njerezve tjere te jetojne ne Kosove. Eshte mire te mbajme identitetin tone si shqiptare, dhe plotesisht e pajtohem me rendesine e te rinjeve shqiptare te martohen mes vete (kuptohet te gjinive te kunderta :), por nuk ben ti urrejme te tjeret nese ata mendojne ndryshe. Ti lejojme te tjeret ta shprehin mendimin e tyre dhe njekohesisht te veprojne ne nje gje te tille, nuk ben gje tjeter pos na ndihmon qe ne me shume tu qendrojme preferimeve tona. Venera Bekteshi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:07:23 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:07:23 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427200617.23762.qmail@nwcst293.netaddress.usa.net> >Ani de Gemb, edhe ashtu krejt jon kah veshen edhe kah munohen me u bo si >zezakt, me muzike e me tona aspektet tjera... Dmth veq ngjyra ju ka >mungu, po si duket tash edhe ajo deshire don me ju plotesu. =) Dardani. Hehehe, Ani de super dardan,, baram na qe mesim te bardhe kemi me qene special.. Kta ne te bohen magjupa krejt... Ej qy edhe pakes kur ja nisin me dal pederat dore per dore neper Prishtine (Pi ndi keta "intellektualet" to thone :"Pse cka ka edhe ata duhet me pas drejt mu puth e me prek njeri tjertin haptas neper qytet"). P.S. Kjo kulture gangsta e zezakve gati u hjek krejt prej rinise ketu ne florida (tashti krejt qisi si Blink 182 ose "ravers"). Sedi nashta te ju atje ne Nju Jork merre ma shume kohe masi qe ka shume zezak. gangsta/wigger/nigger culture (R.I.P 1991-2000) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From v_noci at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 16:09:28 2000 From: v_noci at hotmail.com (viktor noci) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:09:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta Message-ID: <20000427200916.12548.qmail@hotmail.com> Z Sylo Tarak Pader Gjergj Fishta pervecse prift ai ishte poet,gjuhetare,kritik letrare,publicist ,politikan dhe nje nga patriotet me te flaket shqipetare.Te duash Atdheun te punosh me mish dhe me shpirte per te miren e tij,te jesh kundershtar i turkut i sllavit dhe gjithe armiqeve te Shqiperise,te admirosh vlerat shqiptare te cilat jane patriotizmi,besa ,mikpritja dhe ndershmenia nuk besoj se e kualifikojne te madhin Gjergj Fishta si rracist.Lexo pak me shume veprat e tij dhe besoj se do te nderroni opinjon.Nje keshille mos lexoni historin e hoxhes dhe milloshevicit. Te fala sinqershit Viktor noci ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:12:49 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:12:49 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427201248.8427.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net> >Po besoj se ajo kohe nuk eshte tash. Nese jem aq "demokrat", e ta >lejojme martesen, me nigerianin, italianin, kanedezin, amerikanin, >spanjollin, etj, cka na ndal me u martu neser me SERBIN?????? Me shkaun mu martu ka me qene lule drite ku kan me na qu kta "intellektual" ka me ardhe koha ku ka me dal femra shqiptare me zezakun dhe vlaun e saj me dashnorin mashkul, neper prishtine dore per dore, motra me zezakun dhe djali me dashnorin peder. Edhe kan me thone keta "intellektualet" "Pse cka ka ? ajo eshte kontribut i pasur per kulturen". ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:16:23 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:16:23 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Re:Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger. Ani qka ??? ] Message-ID: <20000427201621.14923.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> >Nuk eshte e vertete. Femrat/mashkujt shqiptare qe perzihen me ndonje >race/nacionalitet tjeter kan mundesi qe bashkeshort-in/en dhe femijet >ti integrojne dhe asimilojne ne shqiptarizm. Prandaj kombi yne nuk do >te zhdukej. Po ne si popull, nese nuk pranojme vepra te tilla dhe i >fyejme apo i perqeshim, atehere ata/ato do te largohen jashte rrethit >shqiptare, dhe me te vertete do ta humbin faren. Pajtona me ty Diar nese femra/mashkulli eshte e bardhe, se athere esthe kompatibile, familja mundet mu integru dhe asimilu ne shqiptarizem. Po me zezak nuk ka kurfare mundesi sepse e ndal struktura fizike, jo mendja ime e tjerve. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From dardan at prishtina.com Thu Apr 27 16:22:20 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:22:20 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta - Martesa me zezak etj... Message-ID: <200004271626.AA120586836@prishtina.com> Ju kisha lute qe keto diskutime te kene fryme konstruktive e te mos kalojne ne perleshje dhe sulme ndaj njeri tjetrit. Dardani From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:24:00 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:24:00 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427202357.3107.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> Athere qitashti si te ike slobodani edhe serbija bohet demokratik, kosova ne ti jipet serbise edhe gjith te jetojim se bashku te lumtur. Ma mire edhe ti bime ish-shtetet jugoslav edhe ta bojim jugoslavin shtet prape, ti bime nja 10 million zezak, edhe fantazi bohet. >Nuk mundem te lexoj kete qendrim e te mos reagoj. Se pari lista eshte >ehte e hapur per diskutime dhe jo per sulmime personale. Tema ishte >vajza dhe >gjendja e saj e mjeruar, prandaj do te ishte mire qe argumentet tia >drejtojme kesaj teme. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From fisnike at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 16:35:43 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:35:43 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427203536.96419.qmail@hotmail.com> <<<>> Nje nga karakteristikat e regjimit demokrat eshte qe populli vet vendose per ardhmerin e tij..mendon ti se shumica e kosovarve do te pajtohet ti bashkohemi Serbise?? E shohim se cka mendon ti, e respektoj mendimin tend e njekohesisht i lutem zotit, qe shumica e Shqiptarve jo vetem se nuk pajtohen me kete mendim, por edhe dhane jeten per te kunderten gje. Sa i perket mundesise se ardhjes se 10 milione zezakeve, hehhehe ...shume interesant. Ne nuk jemi 10 milione vet. Zyret e ardhme te imigracionit (kur te zhvillohen e shpresoj se krijohen se shpejti) do te kujdesen qe Kosova te mos mbi-popullohet dhe se ata qe vijne, edhe pse duken te jene zezake apo te races se verdhe, jane njerez qe nuk e rrezikojne jeten e Kosovareve. Venera ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 16:36:17 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:36:17 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <20000427203607.74070.qmail@hotmail.com> to G.S. We'll have Albanians marching proudly through Prishtine, Gjakove, Prizren, etc. with their lovers , male and female, of whatever ethnicity. We'll have smart hetero Albanian traditionalists gettin' it on' plenty , carrying the Albanian family into the future, and we'll see idiotic little wanna-be fascist Albanians like yourself getting crushed under the boot of history, getting less and less sex and losing more and more influence along the way... BTW, what kind of half-assed racist wants to brag about Blink 182 and Florida? furthermore, what idiot thinks black hip-hop culture is being 'replaced' with raver culture (every credible observation to the contrary?) G.S., apparently tung, everyone GAY POWER! JETONI > >Po besoj se ajo kohe nuk eshte tash. Nese jem aq "demokrat", e ta > >lejojme martesen, me nigerianin, italianin, kanedezin, amerikanin, > >spanjollin, etj, cka na ndal me u martu neser me SERBIN?????? > >Me shkaun mu martu ka me qene lule drite ku kan me na qu kta "intellektual" >ka >me ardhe koha ku ka me dal femra shqiptare me zezakun dhe vlaun e saj me >dashnorin mashkul, neper prishtine dore per dore, motra me zezakun dhe >djali >me dashnorin peder. Edhe kan me thone keta "intellektualet" "Pse cka ka ? >ajo >eshte kontribut i pasur per kulturen". > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 16:40:28 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:40:28 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta References: <20000427200916.12548.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <015a01bfb088$ca84b9c0$f45e4382@sylo> I dashur Viktor Noc U zemrove shume shpejt. Deklaratat raciste, i konsideroje raciste, pa marre parasysh se a vine ato nga i madhi Gjergj Fishta apo nga ndonje i madh tjeter. "Nje keshille mos lexoni historin e hoxhes dhe milloshevicit" mendoj se ketu bo e bene nje gabim te rende, kur po i barazon, hoxhallaret me Miloseviqin. Une mund te lexoje historine se te hoxhallareve, ashtu edhe te prifterinjeve . Kurse ti te lutem te jesh me serioz dhe mos fillo me prish muhabetin me fanatizmin tend fetar . Syla ----- Original Message ----- From: viktor noci To: Cc: Sent: 27. april 2000 22:09 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Z Sylo Tarak > Pader Gjergj Fishta pervecse prift ai ishte poet,gjuhetare,kritik > letrare,publicist ,politikan dhe nje nga patriotet me te flaket > shqipetare.Te duash Atdheun te punosh me mish dhe me shpirte per te miren e > tij,te jesh kundershtar i turkut i sllavit dhe gjithe armiqeve te > Shqiperise,te admirosh vlerat shqiptare te cilat jane patriotizmi,besa > ,mikpritja dhe ndershmenia nuk besoj se e kualifikojne te madhin Gjergj > Fishta si rracist.Lexo pak me shume veprat e tij dhe besoj se do te nderroni > opinjon.Nje keshille mos lexoni historin e hoxhes dhe milloshevicit. > Te fala sinqershit > Viktor noci > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 27 16:41:18 2000 From: b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk (Bujar Dibra) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:41:18 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> <003f01bfb072$f4c6e8e0$f45e4382@sylo> Message-ID: <004101bfb0cb$4358b580$d87d883e@pc> Eu, eu cka keni marre turr krejt si 'budallat n'kallamoq'... Mendimi im asht se na jemi ne fazen e krizes se Identitetit dhe se shumica prej jush po merr qendrime qi shkojne ne dy ekstremitete t'pakapercyeshme.., njana qi shkon kah naltsimi vlerave kulturore kombtare deri n'ate nivel sa ato bahen 'sakrilegj' t'permenden dhe tjetra qi i zh'vlefteson totalisht dhe shkon aq larg sa i quajne racisma.... Pra zt Sylo Taraku, bon vaki nese nuk i kishin pase para-ardhesit tane ato doke a Kanuna apo 'racisma' qysh po i quan ti, nashta mbiemni yt kishte me qene sot Tarakis apo Tarakoviq... Ju lutem mos m'keqkuptoni se jam per me u kthye "n'vaktin e Ali Bungut", por jam per nji qasje ma pragmatike duke marre parasysh kohen, vendin, mentalitetin dhe rrethanat qi po jetojme... Baze per ndertimin e shoqerise e sidomos asaj kosovare jane vlerat paraprake, por jo ato te mirren kallyp po t'i pershtaten kohes qi po jetojme. Nese kjo ju duket marrezi urdhnoni e shikoni pervojat e vendeve qi jane 'demokratike', secila nga keto vende cashtjet shoqerore i kane t'rregullueme duke ju pershtat rrethanave dhe kushteve specifike t'vet atij vendi por cka asht ma e randesishme inkorporimin e vlerave paraprake... Pse nuk po bahet e njajta edhe n'Kosove ?! Kjo asht cashtje tjeter... Kete pyetje duhet me ja parashtrue Dylberave (lexo: Elites se Intelengjencise) t'Kosoves.. Me t'mira Bujar Dibra ----- Original Message ----- From: Sylo Taraku To: Sent: 27 April 2000 11:03 Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Bravo Mimoza, > > Vetem duke i mbrojtur te drejtat, femrat e shtypura te Kosoves, mund te emancipohen dhe t'i shkaterrojne te gjitha kanunet e Lek Dugaxhinave dhe racizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta etj. Une kam degjuar se nje shqiptare (spo me kujtohet emri) kendohet ne kenge per "trimerine" dhe "partiotizmin" e tije. Ai e kishte vra vajzen e vet, sepse ishte martu me nje kroat ! > > Syla > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mimoza Meholli > To: > Sent: 27. april 2000 19:51 > Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Zoti Puka: > > Si mundesh me qene kaq mendjelete dhe naiv qe edhe i quan femijet e > > prindeve te racave te ndryshme "gjysem gorilla"? > > Njerezit me ngjyre "jo te bardhe te lekures" nuk kane asgje mangu prej > > neve. Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i njeriut, jo > > ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh qfare > > race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. > > Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te martohet > > me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e trupit!!!! > > Mimoza > > > > > > > > >From: "G.S" > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > > >Date: 26 Apr 00 14:43:45 EDT > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > > > >10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me > > >zezak. > > >A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki e > > >me > > >ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te > > >rrala. > > >Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe ne > > >te > > >ikin jashte trojet tona. > > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > > > airoport > > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina me > > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e marr? > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > > >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:47:27 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:47:27 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000427204721.18566.qmail@nwcst288.netaddress.usa.net> >Nje nga karakteristikat e regjimit demokrat eshte qe populli vet vendose >per ardhmerin e tij..mendon ti se shumica e kosovarve do te pajtohet ti >bashkohemi Serbise?? >E shohim se cka mendon ti, e respektoj mendimin tend e njekohesisht i >lutem zotit, qe shumica e Shqiptarve jo vetem se nuk pajtohen me kete >mendim, por edhe dhane jeten per te kunderten gje. A e din qe shumica (permbi 90%) e kosoves mendojin njejt si une kur vjen puna te marteses me zezak, pederave etj ? Ketu ne kete forum ka rra vetem nje grup shqiptaresh qe sa kan dal jashte kosoves, edhe mendojin qe per me qene evropian/amerikan duhesh me pranu femijun peder edhe qiken me bo fmi me zezak. Ata qe kan dek per kosoven nuk kan dek per ide multi-racash, po kan dek per kombin shqiptar, me shku e me propozu ti nje send te tille ata te kishin vra. A kishe pas ndonje kundershtim kunder martesen massive e popullit shqiptar me serb ? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 16:49:54 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:49:54 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000427204946.29934.qmail@nwcst289.netaddress.usa.net> >tung, everyone >GAY POWER! >JETONI Pse spo fol shqip. Pe dina qe pe dishe anglishten edhe pe dina qe je krenar qe je peder. Po kom qef me shku ti e me bertit ashtu ne ne qender Prishtines. Ta shofim se cfare liberal jan shipecat. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From fisnike at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 16:58:37 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Thu Apr 27 16:58:37 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000427205829.4030.qmail@hotmail.com> A e din qe shumica (permbi 90%) e kosoves mendojin njejt si une kur vjen puna te marteses me zezak, pederave etj ? Ketu ne kete forum ka rra vetem nje grup shqiptaresh qe sa kan dal jashte kosoves, edhe mendojin qe per me qene evropian/amerikan duhesh me pranu femijun peder edhe qiken me bo fmi me zezak. Po por ti sugjerove qe ne te bashkohemi me Serbine. Se paku ashtu shkruante ne emailin tend. <<<<< Athere qitashti si te ike slobodani edhe serbija bohet demokratik, kosova ne ti jipet serbise edhe gjith te jetojim se bashku te lumtur. Ma mire edhe ti bime ish-shtetet jugoslav edhe ta bojim jugoslavin shtet prape, >>>>> A kishe pas ndonje kundershtim kunder martesen massive e popullit shqiptar me serb ? Kjo eshte ceshtje personale! Po nese te ben te ndjehesh me mire, lexo me vemendje emailin e pare, une veq u deklarova!! Sinqerisht venera bekteshi ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 17:00:40 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:00:40 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> <003f01bfb072$f4c6e8e0$f45e4382@sylo> <004101bfb0cb$4358b580$d87d883e@pc> Message-ID: <018c01bfb08b$975a8d60$f45e4382@sylo> Te kuptoj plotesisht se ku po e qet Bujar, Pajtohem me ty se ne disa faza kohore, romantizmi nacional ka qene i nevojshem. Si per shembull ne kohen kur Naim Frasheri e paraqiste Shqiperine e varfer si parajse dhe balten e Shqiperise si mjalte etj. Te gjitha keto perpjekje per ngritjen e atdhedashurise jane bere me vetedije te plote te autoreve, ma merr mendja mu. Por une mendoj se, SOT duhet nderruar trendin. Te jemi sa me Vetkritik, ne menyre qe te perparojme sa me shpejt, e mos te jetojme ne enderra (sikurse shumica e serbeve) . Te gjithe e dine se si politikanet tone flisnin dhe vazhdojne te flasin per njefar Kosove te pasur, shume te pasur...do te behet Amnerike! Derisa nder argumentet kunder pavarsise, eshte edhe ajo qe bazohet ne faktin se Kosova nuk mund te mbijetoje ekonomisht si shtet i pavarur dhe ......nuk ka kapacitet politik, siq tha Surroi. ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Bujar Dibra To: Sent: 28. april 2000 06:35 Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Eu, eu cka keni marre turr krejt si 'budallat n'kallamoq'... > > Mendimi im asht se na jemi ne fazen e krizes se Identitetit dhe se shumica > prej jush po merr qendrime qi shkojne ne dy ekstremitete t'pakapercyeshme.., > njana qi shkon kah naltsimi vlerave kulturore kombtare deri n'ate nivel sa > ato bahen 'sakrilegj' t'permenden dhe tjetra qi i zh'vlefteson totalisht > dhe shkon aq larg sa i quajne racisma.... > > Pra zt Sylo Taraku, bon vaki nese nuk i kishin pase para-ardhesit tane ato > doke a Kanuna apo 'racisma' qysh po i quan ti, nashta mbiemni yt kishte me > qene sot Tarakis apo Tarakoviq... > > Ju lutem mos m'keqkuptoni se jam per me u kthye "n'vaktin e Ali Bungut", > por jam per nji qasje ma pragmatike duke marre parasysh kohen, vendin, > mentalitetin dhe rrethanat qi po jetojme... > > Baze per ndertimin e shoqerise e sidomos asaj kosovare jane vlerat > paraprake, por jo ato te mirren kallyp po t'i pershtaten kohes qi po > jetojme. Nese kjo ju duket marrezi urdhnoni e shikoni pervojat e vendeve qi > jane 'demokratike', secila nga keto vende cashtjet shoqerore i kane > t'rregullueme duke ju pershtat rrethanave dhe kushteve specifike t'vet atij > vendi por cka asht ma e randesishme inkorporimin e vlerave paraprake... > > Pse nuk po bahet e njajta edhe n'Kosove ?! Kjo asht cashtje tjeter... > > Kete pyetje duhet me ja parashtrue Dylberave (lexo: Elites se > Intelengjencise) t'Kosoves.. > > Me t'mira > Bujar Dibra > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sylo Taraku > To: > Sent: 27 April 2000 11:03 > Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Bravo Mimoza, > > > > Vetem duke i mbrojtur te drejtat, femrat e shtypura te Kosoves, mund te > emancipohen dhe t'i shkaterrojne te gjitha kanunet e Lek Dugaxhinave dhe > racizmat e prifterinjeve si Fishta etj. Une kam degjuar se nje shqiptare > (spo me kujtohet emri) kendohet ne kenge per "trimerine" dhe "partiotizmin" > e tije. Ai e kishte vra vajzen e vet, sepse ishte martu me nje kroat ! > > > > Syla > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Mimoza Meholli > > To: > > Sent: 27. april 2000 19:51 > > Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Zoti Puka: > > > Si mundesh me qene kaq mendjelete dhe naiv qe edhe i quan femijet e > > > prindeve te racave te ndryshme "gjysem gorilla"? > > > Njerezit me ngjyre "jo te bardhe te lekures" nuk kane asgje mangu prej > > > neve. Cka eshte me shume me rendesi eshte karakteri dhe morali i > njeriut, jo > > > ngjyra e trupit. Po mos te ishin ushtaret e tille, pa marre parasysh > qfare > > > race jan, lufta ne Kosove nuk ish kry per nje kohe te gjate. > > > Femra Shqiptare si cdo tjeter ne bote duhet te kete lirine e saj te > martohet > > > me ate qe e done; pa marre parasysh racen ose ngjyren e trupit!!!! > > > Mimoza > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "G.S" > > > >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > > >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > > > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] > > > >Date: 26 Apr 00 14:43:45 EDT > > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > > > > > > >10,000 vjet race te bardhe zhduket mbrenda 5 minutave qe shkon vajza me > > > >zezak. > > > >A kan luftu e dek gjith ata njerzit tan me gjenerata qe me ardhe zezaki > e > > > >me > > > >ti mbush femrat shqiptare me faren e tij ? Ishalla keto jan rraste te > > > >rrala. > > > >Ato femra qe bojin qashtu, ne ti marrin femijte tyre gjysm gorille dhe > ne > > > >te > > > >ikin jashte trojet tona. > > > > > > > > > Vajza shqiptare e marrtuar ne te zez me zezak ish kon tu dek ne > > > > > airoport > > > > > prej gjak derdhjes. > > > > > Ajo vajze kishte met shtazane me zezak e ike nga prishtina > me > > > > > ardhe ne gjehnet te maxhupve. > > > > > Ku jon ata mashkuje qe nuk lane as ni plak ne gjermani pa e > marr? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ > > > >Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > > > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 17:00:57 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:00:57 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000427210030.85683.qmail@hotmail.com> i'm replying in english because i consider your intellectual contagion to be too vile to risk tripping over my "katundar" Albanian... I'll be in Prishtine eventually, and i'll ask Albanian i know what they fought for, cuz none of them ever offerred racist fantasies before... so what's your deal..., fascist? jeton > >tung, everyone > >GAY POWER! > >JETONI > >Pse spo fol shqip. Pe dina qe pe dishe anglishten edhe pe dina qe je krenar >qe >je peder. Po kom qef me shku ti e me bertit ashtu ne ne qender Prishtines. >Ta >shofim se cfare liberal jan shipecat. > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bressta at yahoo.com Thu Apr 27 17:02:30 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:02:30 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> <003f01bfb072$f4c6e8e0$f45e4382@sylo> <004101bfb0cb$4358b580$d87d883e@pc> Message-ID: <034e01bfb08b$ee913660$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Bujar Dibra shkruejti: > Eu, eu cka keni marre turr krejt si 'budallat n'kallamoq'... megjithese nuk jam fort koshient qysh funksionon puna e budallve n'kallamoc muj me thane qi shum po m'pilqen kjo metafore. > Mendimi im asht se na jemi ne fazen e krizes se Identitetit dhe se shumica > prej jush po merr qendrime qi shkojne ne dy ekstremitete t'pakapercyeshme.., > njana qi shkon kah naltsimi vlerave kulturore kombtare deri n'ate nivel sa > ato bahen 'sakrilegj' t'permenden dhe tjetra qi i zh'vlefteson totalisht > dhe shkon aq larg sa i quajne racisma.... ekstremet e kane qat ves qi lypin vleresime ekstreme > Pra zt Sylo Taraku, bon vaki nese nuk i kishin pase para-ardhesit tane ato > doke a Kanuna apo 'racisma' qysh po i quan ti, nashta mbiemni yt kishte me > qene sot Tarakis apo Tarakoviq... keta asht konkludim hipotetik, qi anticipon me e dijte si kish me u zhvillue historia sikur... > Ju lutem mos m'keqkuptoni se jam per me u kthye "n'vaktin e Ali Bungut", > por jam per nji qasje ma pragmatike duke marre parasysh kohen, vendin, > mentalitetin dhe rrethanat qi po jetojme... > > Baze per ndertimin e shoqerise e sidomos asaj kosovare jane vlerat > paraprake, por jo ato te mirren kallyp po t'i pershtaten kohes qi po > jetojme. Nese kjo ju duket marrezi urdhnoni e shikoni pervojat e vendeve qi > jane 'demokratike', secila nga keto vende cashtjet shoqerore i kane > t'rregullueme duke ju pershtat rrethanave dhe kushteve specifike t'vet atij > vendi por cka asht ma e randesishme inkorporimin e vlerave paraprake... > > Pse nuk po bahet e njajta edhe n'Kosove ?! Kjo asht cashtje tjeter... nese t'kam kuptue mire, propozimi asht: nji demokraci autoktone (si kish me thane profesori i nderuem e i martirizuem Ukshin Hoti - e dij qi s'ma besoni, po kam fort respekt per te). Dmth na me kapacitetet qi kemi me zbulue edhe njihere ujte e nxehte, se s'po na pilqen menyra qysh e nxejne ujte hinglizet. > Kete pyetje duhet me ja parashtrue Dylberave (lexo: Elites se > Intelengjencise) t'Kosoves.. Jau parashtron po ata rrijne seri tue t'keqyre, tue shkunde kryet e tue thane vetmeveti, se jemi budalle na e s'pe dijme ku fle lepuri, anipse kacuben s'di me ta kallxue asnjani. > Me t'mira > Bujar Dibra bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From v_noci at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 17:02:38 2000 From: v_noci at hotmail.com (viktor noci) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:02:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve Message-ID: <20000427210223.31759.qmail@hotmail.com> Z Sylo Une kam shume rrespekt per te gjitha fete gjithashtu edhe per hoxhallaret dhe prifterinjet,por me paski keqkuptua,sepse me shprehjen "historin e hoxhes dhe milloshevicit"Kam shprehur historin e enver hoxhes dhe milloshevicit. Te fala Viktori ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Thu Apr 27 17:13:08 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:13:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve References: <20000427210223.31759.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <01a201bfb08d$59dd0ec0$f45e4382@sylo> Viktor ma boll hallall pra se te sulmova per fanatizem Syla ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: viktor noci To: Cc: Sent: 27. april 2000 23:02 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Rracizmat e prifterinjeve > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Z Sylo > Une kam shume rrespekt per te gjitha fete gjithashtu edhe per hoxhallaret > dhe prifterinjet,por me paski keqkuptua,sepse me shprehjen "historin e > hoxhes dhe milloshevicit"Kam shprehur historin e enver hoxhes dhe > milloshevicit. > Te fala Viktori > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From bmeholli at prishtina-net.com Thu Apr 27 17:20:01 2000 From: bmeholli at prishtina-net.com (Burim Meholli) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:20:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Femra Message-ID: <200004272119.OAA13654@mail17.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From v_noci at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 17:24:43 2000 From: v_noci at hotmail.com (viktor noci) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:24:43 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Fanatizmi Message-ID: <20000427212436.55790.qmail@hotmail.com> I nderuem Shkumbin Me vjen keq por nuk jam shoku qe ju shpresoni te jem. Une jam nga Bajza e Kastratit Malsi e Madhe. Te fala Viktori Boston U S A ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From drin at usa.com Thu Apr 27 17:58:59 2000 From: drin at usa.com (DRIN KRYEZIU) Date: Thu Apr 27 17:58:59 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?dezinformat=EB?= Message-ID: <384064307.956872738310.JavaMail.root@web421-mc.mail.com> Kish marr vesh zezaki qe jena bo shum? marak p?r to e e ka lshu qiken e nuk po martohen (zoti e marroft). Edhe nuk kish qen? shtatzane me at far zezaku po me njo tjeter e aj kish dasht me ja lon n'dor? k'ti tjetrit e ky e kish pas zamarit? e nuk e kish hong?r rofen. Une nuk po e njo cili zezak se si t'vjen n'Amerik? kom me e killav? dajak. MAs nja 10 vjete mos u quditni kur lexoni ne Rilindjen p?r f?mij? si.p.sh. Kunta-kinte Abazi nxansi ma i mir? n'shkoll?, etj, etj...ose n'Abetare: Arta, Artani dhe Rodrigezi i vog?l luajn bejzboll n? shkoll?... ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca Thu Apr 27 20:38:15 2000 From: LSADIKU at flemingc.on.ca (Labinot Sadiku) Date: Thu Apr 27 20:38:15 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume me MUSLIMAN te Nigeris. In-Reply-To: <20000427080857.4430.qmail@web1502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3908A514.20904.3A07BE@localhost> Une pajtohem me ty bre car se qashtu eshte nuk eshte me shek19 po 20 ju lutem mos beni kaq budallallaqe se per muslimanin nuk eshte e caktune raca por eshte FEJA. Pse ju masi qaq naiva te forte pse spo i permendni rastet e shumta te martesave me amerikan apo kryqali ma shkurt por me nje njeri me religjion te njejt si aj NIGERIANI. Kaq pata e zoti ju udhzoft. LABINOTI nga CANADA From mendolin at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 21:04:57 2000 From: mendolin at hotmail.com (Mendolin Muharremi) Date: Thu Apr 27 21:04:57 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] dezinformatë Message-ID: <20000428010446.3109.qmail@hotmail.com> Can you cancel out my e-mail address >From: DRIN KRYEZIU >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] dezinformat? >Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:58:58 -0400 (EDT) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 205.145.58.53 >Received: from [205.216.244.65] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBAD203260007D820F3C9CDD8F441B5C60; Thu Apr 27 14:59:06 2000 >Received: from alb-net.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com >(8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3RLx1917451;Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:59:01 -0400 >(EDT) >Received: from rmx05.globecomm.net (rmx05.iname.net [165.251.8.203])by >alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3RLww917422for >; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:58:59 -0400 (EDT) >Received: from web421-mc.mail.com by rmx05.globecomm.net (8.9.1/8.8.0) >with SMTP id RAA29472 ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:58:58 -0400 (EDT) >From prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com Thu Apr 27 15:00:26 2000 >Message-ID: <384064307.956872738310.JavaMail.root at web421-mc.mail.com> >X-Mailer: mail.com >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by alb-net.com id >e3RLwx917423 >Sender: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com >Errors-To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com >X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 >Precedence: list >List-Id: [ALBANIAN] Prishtina Discussion Forum (Prishtina, Kosova) > >X-BeenThere: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by alb-net.com id >e3RLx1917451 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Kish marr vesh zezaki qe jena bo shum? marak p?r to e e ka lshu qiken e nuk >po martohen (zoti e marroft). Edhe nuk kish qen? shtatzane me at far zezaku >po me njo tjeter e aj kish dasht me ja lon n'dor? k'ti tjetrit e ky e kish >pas zamarit? e nuk e kish hong?r rofen. >Une nuk po e njo cili zezak se si t'vjen n'Amerik? kom me e killav? dajak. >MAs nja 10 vjete mos u quditni kur lexoni ne Rilindjen p?r f?mij? si.p.sh. >Kunta-kinte Abazi nxansi ma i mir? n'shkoll?, etj, etj...ose n'Abetare: >Arta, Artani dhe Rodrigezi i vog?l luajn bejzboll n? shkoll?... > >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Thu Apr 27 21:12:20 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Thu Apr 27 21:12:20 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]] Message-ID: <20000428011218.27772.qmail@nwcst284.netaddress.usa.net> >i'm replying in english because i consider your intellectual contagion >to be too vile to risk tripping over my "katundar" Albanian... Mos u merzit se kerkush nuk te per ule nese flet cfar do shqipe. >I'll be in Prishtine eventually, and i'll ask Albanian i know what they >fought for, cuz none of them ever offerred racist fantasies before... Kerkush nuk eshte tu thane me shku e me mbyt zezak ne afrike. Po nje sen e din edhe ti, kosova ka pas serbe, turqi, magjup etj. Ku jon ata tashti ? Edhe eshte interesant qe shumica e njerzve pajtohen me ket pune, nuk pajtohen mi mbyt ata, po per mi qite jashte krejt po pajtohen (prej katundarit e deri te intellektualet). A mendon se te kishin qene edhe nja 50,000 zezak ne kosove qe i kishin lan ata aty ? E din ti qysh jan zezakt, menihere qojin kry e mendojin se duhet te bardhit me ju tute (sepse ne filma jan gangstera), si ne gjermani e amerike ku prej 2 zezakve ikin 5 te bardhe, ne kosove i kishin cfaros zezakt mbrenda nates. so what's your deal..., fascist? Cka po don me dite ? Ty kush te paska bo "Brainwash" me kete propagande liberale ? jeton >tung, everyone >GAY POWER! >JETONI ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From BShehu7580 at aol.com Thu Apr 27 22:12:49 2000 From: BShehu7580 at aol.com (BShehu7580 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 27 22:12:49 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: A mundet te na ndihmoje ndonjeri ne kete list duke na ofruar ndonje statistike te perqindjes se femrave shqiptare te martuara apo te dashuruara me afrikane?!...Arsyeja qe me shtyn t'ju drejtohem me kete pyetje, eshte fakti se shume po diskutohet nje problem personal i nje vajze...Mendoni, vellezer dhe motra, qe nje problem i tille eshte bere masiv ne shoqerine shqiptare?...nese po...argumentojeni...nese jo...mbylleni kete kapitull... From mehollim at hotmail.com Thu Apr 27 22:53:32 2000 From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli) Date: Thu Apr 27 22:53:32 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] JU LUTEM LEXONI!!! Message-ID: <20000428025324.82150.qmail@hotmail.com> Tung te Gjitheve Ju lutem te gjithe ju qe keni komentuar ne martesat e shqiptareve (sidomos vajzave)me racat tjera-"zezak", te lexoni keto paragrafe te shkruara nga Martin Luther King edhe mandej mos thuni qe edhe populli shqiptare nuk ka hjek njesoj prej shkaut. Mandej, ju kisha lute me rikonsideru qendrimin tuaj prap edhe te mos jeni absolutist edhe te percjellni Milosevicin, qe krejt e dime eshte i semur psiqikisht edhe mendon se serbet jane me te mire se te gjith tjeret. Mirpo, ju te tjeret si Gembi qe jeni aqe shume kunder zezakeve si duket edhe fobiak, besoj qe sigurisht keni pase vet ndonje rast ku ata nuk jane sille mire me ju. Jo krejt zezaket jane gangstera edhe nese keni mendime te tilla per ata ose racat e tjera, mbani per vete edhe mos i ofendoni tjeret. Une i respektoj te gjitha mendimet e njerezve, po jo ato qe me perulin mu edhe vajzave shqiptare nese vendosim te zgjedhim fatin tone vet. Me ne fund, ju luse ta LENI ma kete bisede sepse shumica e juve jeni te papjkeur sidomos kur i keqkuptoni edhe shkrimtaret, politikanet e patriotet shqipatre. Ata natyrisht kan kontribu per popullin shqiptare, po KURRE nuk kan pas qendrim te urrejtjes per racat ose popujt tjer. Kush jemi ne me i prediku ata? Gjithashtu me vjen shume qudi si askush ase qe pyet bile a eshte gjalle ajo vajze a jo? Turp! Faleminderes, Mimoza Meholli Letter from the Brimigham Jail, Al April 16, 1963 <<<....I guess it is easy for those who have never felt the stinging darts of segregation to say, "Wait." But when you have seen vicious mobs lynch your mothers and fathers at will and drown your sisters and brothers at whim; when you have seen hate filled policemen curse, kick, brutalize and even kill your black brothers and sisters with impunity; when you see the vast majority of your twenty million Negro brothers smothering in an airtight cage of poverty in the midst of an affluent society; when you suddenly find your tongue twisted and your speech stammering as you seek to explain to your six-year-old daughter why she can't go to the public amusement park that has just been advertised on television, and see tears welling up in her eyes when she is told that Funtown is closed to colored children,and see the depressing clouds of inferiority begin to form in her little mental sky, and see her begin to distort her little personality by unconsciously developing a bitterness toward white people; when you have to concoct an answer for a five-year-old son asking in agonizing pathos: "Daddy, why do white people treat colored people so mean?"; when you take a cross-country drive and find it necessary to sleep night after night in the uncomfortable corners of your automobile because no motel will accept you; when you are humiliated day in and day out by nagging signs reading "white" and "colored"; when your first name becomes "nigger," your middle name becomes "boy" (however old you are) and your last name becomes "John," and your wife and mother and never given the respected title "Mrs."; when you are harried by day and haunted by night by the fact that you are a Negro, living constantly at tip-toe stance never quite knowing what to expect next,and plagued with inner fears and outer resentments; when you are forever fighting a degenerating sense of "nobodiness"; then you will understand why we find it difficult to wait. There comes a time when the cup of endurance runs over, and men are no longer willing to be plunged into an abyss of despair. I hope, sirs, you can understand our legitimate and unavoidable impatience. ....... Let us all hope that the dark clouds of racial prejudice will soon pass away and the deep fog of misunderstanding will be lifted from our fear-drenched communities and in some not too distant tomorrow the radiant stars of love and brotherhood will shine over our great nation with all their scintillating beauty. Yours for the cause of Peace and Brotherhood, Martin Luther King, Jr. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 27 22:59:07 2000 From: b at dibra.freeserve.co.uk (Bujar Dibra) Date: Thu Apr 27 22:59:07 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] References: <20000427175128.95824.qmail@hotmail.com> <003f01bfb072$f4c6e8e0$f45e4382@sylo> <004101bfb0cb$4358b580$d87d883e@pc> <034e01bfb08b$ee913660$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Message-ID: <004501bfb100$09ece660$b352893e@pc> > Bujar Dibra shkruejti: > > Eu, eu cka keni marre turr krejt si 'budallat n'kallamoq'... Shkumbini shkruejti: > megjithese nuk jam fort koshient qysh funksionon puna e budallve n'kallamoc > muj me thane qi shum po m'pilqen kjo metafore. > > > Mendimi im asht se na jemi ne fazen e krizes se Identitetit dhe se shumica > > prej jush po merr qendrime qi shkojne ne dy ekstremitete > t'pakapercyeshme.., > > njana qi shkon kah naltsimi vlerave kulturore kombtare deri n'ate nivel sa > > ato bahen 'sakrilegj' t'permenden dhe tjetra qi i zh'vlefteson totalisht > > dhe shkon aq larg sa i quajne racisma.... > > ekstremet e kane qat ves qi lypin vleresime ekstreme Po por ekstremizmi veq sa e shumfishon antagonizmin... > > Pra zt Sylo Taraku, bon vaki nese nuk i kishin pase para-ardhesit tane ato > > doke a Kanuna apo 'racisma' qysh po i quan ti, nashta mbiemni yt kishte me > > qene sot Tarakis apo Tarakoviq... > > keta asht konkludim hipotetik, qi anticipon me e dijte si kish me u zhvillue > historia sikur... Jo kjo nuk asht konkludim hipotetik por hipoteze, pra nji spjegim i mundshem i gjendjes se tashme i cili mue po m'doket m'a i perafert me realitetin ose perndryshe duhet me u pajtue qi na Shqiptaret jena ma pjelle hyjnore se Serbet ose gjenetikisht anti-asimilues. Nese ke ndoj spjegim tjeter t'lutna referom.... > > Ju lutem mos m'keqkuptoni se jam per me u kthye "n'vaktin e Ali Bungut", > > por jam per nji qasje ma pragmatike duke marre parasysh kohen, vendin, > > mentalitetin dhe rrethanat qi po jetojme... > > > > Baze per ndertimin e shoqerise e sidomos asaj kosovare jane vlerat > > paraprake, por jo ato te mirren kallyp po t'i pershtaten kohes qi po > > jetojme. Nese kjo ju duket marrezi urdhnoni e shikoni pervojat e vendeve > qi > > jane 'demokratike', secila nga keto vende cashtjet shoqerore i kane > > t'rregullueme duke ju pershtat rrethanave dhe kushteve specifike t'vet > atij > > vendi por cka asht ma e randesishme inkorporimin e vlerave paraprake... > > > > Pse nuk po bahet e njajta edhe n'Kosove ?! Kjo asht cashtje tjeter... > > nese t'kam kuptue mire, propozimi asht: nji demokraci autoktone (si kish me > thane profesori i nderuem e i martirizuem Ukshin Hoti - e dij qi s'ma > besoni, po kam fort respekt per te). Parimisht jam per nji demokraci autoktone por jo edhe t'izolune prej rrjedhave t'globalizmit. Nuk jam fort i njoftuen me ate cfare Ukshini ka mendu, perpos disa fejtoneve te tij qi terthorazi e permendin kete. >Dmth na me kapacitetet qi kemi me > zbulue edhe njihere ujte e nxehte, se s'po na pilqen menyra qysh e nxejne > ujte hinglizet. Zoti na ruejt, s'kena cka me zbulue na. Vetem 'zbulimi i yne' do t'ishte n'qasjen e zbatimit t'metodologjise se aplikimit si dhe pershtatshmenise n'kushtet tona tuj e minimizue rolin e "ideologjizmave dhe teologjizmave". S'di a e ke venerue Anglezet posaqerisht n'keto dy-tre vjetet e fundit cdo dite formojne "ad-hoc committee" per me ftohe ujin e nxehte.. > > Kete pyetje duhet me ja parashtrue Dylberave (lexo: Elites se > > Intelengjencise) t'Kosoves.. > > Jau parashtron po ata rrijne seri tue t'keqyre, tue shkunde kryet e tue > thane vetmeveti, se jemi budalle na e s'pe dijme ku fle lepuri, anipse > kacuben s'di me ta kallxue asnjani. Cka me t'thane more Shkumbin, kqyre kush po e drejton shpine e 'Dijes'......e ata n'shpine e pleqve qi dojne me u killave tue bajte gazeta, s'bojne pune tjeter pos qi lexojne gazeta (mashallah tash po kan zgjidhje) dhe mushin fjalkryqa, dalin shetiten neper sheher mos po bon kush idare me i'a ble nji 'akullore', nji pamje idilike e real-socializmit....asishe kapitalizmit...... Veq hiq mos u merzite tupani bjen per ata qi kane veshe, e per ata qi s'kane...s'kane. Me t'mira Bujari p.s.- Nese e ke versionin komplet t'Kanunit (ai qi e kishe n'Webb Page nuk ishte komplet) postoma permes imejllit, pernime kishe hie n'sevap me mue.... From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Thu Apr 27 23:29:01 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Thu Apr 27 23:29:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] JU LUTEM LEXONI!!! Message-ID: <001201bfb0d2$0cdb90c0$91aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> > Ju lutem te gjithe ju qe keni komentuar ne martesat e shqiptareve >(sidomos vajzave)me racat tjera-"zezak", te lexoni keto paragrafe te >shkruara nga Martin Luther King edhe mandej mos thuni qe edhe populli >shqiptare nuk ka hjek njesoj prej shkaut. Keq i kemi punet ne shqiptaret se as nuk e dime ?ka eshte mire per ne e ?ka eshte keq per ne; As nuk e dime se kush jane interesat tona e as sesi t'i ruajme; Demokracine e kemi kuptuar po ashtu mbrapsht; E ardhmja s'ka per te qene hi? fare me e mire se e tashmja; Per ngushellim te liberaleve, Gandhi tjeter kosovar duket se ka per te qene ashtu i zi si Gandhi i vertete; From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 00:24:10 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 00:24:10 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] JU LUTEM LEXONI!!!] Message-ID: <20000428042408.2703.qmail@nw174.netaddress.usa.net> >Tung te Gjitheve > Ju lutem te gjithe ju qe keni komentuar ne martesat e shqiptareve >(sidomos vajzave)me racat tjera-"zezak", te lexoni keto paragrafe te >shkruara nga Martin Luther King.. Ti je tu fol thu se une po propozoj mi bo zezaket sluga ne amerike, ose me pru ligjin ne kosove qe nuk ka drejt kerkush mu martu me zezak. Une nuk jam kunder zezakve, une jam kunder atyre qe dojin me prish kombin time, dhe vetem ne tre menyra mundet mu zhduke kombi. 1- Me mbyt qdo person. 2- Me bo ma pak femije se cka duhet per me mbet njejt populsia (Italia/Spanja ne krize). 3- Me perzierjen massive te kombit/races me nje race tjeter, ku kombi/raca humbet krejt prej kesaj toke. Femra/mashkulli shqiptar ka drejt mu martu me zezak, ato e zgjedh personi vet. Po nje sen qe nuk munden ata me bo eshte qe nuk mundet neve shumices me na imponu qe fmija gjysm zezak e sajna/atina eshte shqiptar. Ju qaty po e kaperceni kufirin kur po doni na me zorr me pranu, me duar te hapur me pranu nje fmi dhe familje te tille si shqiptar. Ata nashta munden me qene nenshtetas Kosovar, po shqiptar kur smunden mu bo, se per mu bo shqiptar duhesh me qene i bardhe, e jo zezak e kinez. A mundet me shku zezaki ne Kine edhe mu bo kinez ? Jo. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From IHoti12345 at aol.com Fri Apr 28 00:34:30 2000 From: IHoti12345 at aol.com (IHoti12345 at aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 28 00:34:30 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <66.31743a0.263a6eca@aol.com> fisnike paske shum problem me trurin tan.ti nuk mundesh me than se 90% te femrave kosovare mendojn per martes ne at menyr se ti mendon. si po duket fisnike ti epaske kerkue at qorbe etash mundohesh krejt femrat kosovare mej shti ne at thes ku je ti.ti po ja ban sikurse dhelpnes kur ju ka kall bishti dhelpnes ,ka than u kall krejt dynjeja . fisnike ti je elir me ba qka te dush se ti je ne evrop e mundesh me ba qka te dush me trupin tan por mos i fut edhe femrat tjera shqiptare ne poziten ejuaj ne te cilen gjindesh ndoshta vet.tung menderime I.HOTI From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 00:44:22 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 00:44:22 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428044420.24166.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> Statistika eshte shume e ulet, arsya eshte qe ende nuk ka mberri gjenerata e "intellektualve" ku me mburje kan me bo vetvrasjen e kombit tyre. Ky problem nuk egziston, dhe nuk ka me egzistu deri sa te rregulohet ekonomija e kosoves. Po na e kemi nje perparsi qe evropen/ameriken e kena si dritare per me pa ardhmen tone, ka me qene ne duar tona, a dojna me kriju shtet te perparum homogjen (pa raca/kombesi tjere) siq eshte Japonija dhe Islanda (dy shtetet ma homogjen dhe te perparum ne bote), a dojna mu bo pus i racave tjera, si Brazili (Shteti ma i zhvillum shume-racash). Ende herret eshte me bisedi kete pune, vyne edhe nja 20-30 vjet me shku per me ja ndise mi pa shenjat e para te keti problemit, po eshte interesant me diskutu, ma mire se me nejt si hollanda e me te rrok papritmas, ku tashti ekipi futbolit Ajaksit e Hollandes doket si ekipi i Zimbabwes. >A mundet te na ndihmoje ndonjeri ne kete list duke na ofruar ndonje >statistike te perqindjes se femrave shqiptare te martuara apo te >dashuruara me afrikane?!...Arsyeja qe me shtyn t'ju drejtohem me kete >pyetje, eshte fakti se shume po diskutohet nje problem personal i nje >vajze...Mendoni, vellezer dhe motra, qe nje problem i tille eshte bere >masiv ne shoqerine shqiptare?...nese po...argumentojeni...nese >jo...mbylleni kete kapitull... ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From xythshoqi at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 02:01:00 2000 From: xythshoqi at yahoo.com (Xyth Shoqi) Date: Fri Apr 28 02:01:00 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428060052.3797.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Tungat o milet ... U si u di me than vetem nje sen per ate motren bujare e shiptare nga kosova qe ja paska ythe atina niggerianit ,,,,se ai me siguri ja ka plotsu kushtet normale dhe me siguri ajo ka heke fort nga vllezrit shiptare edhe e ka thy qafen te ai e mos u merni me pune tgrave se edhe pak na u prish kabilja ...po nejse se edhe nje 30 vjet bo vaki kryetarin kemi me e pas ose italian, gjerman zvicran amerikan etj por nanen ko me e pas shiptare ... ju pershendes te gjithve e sidmos motrat shiptare e bujare __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bressta at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 03:05:12 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 28 03:05:12 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] References: <20000428044420.24166.qmail@nwcst282.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <008701bfb0e0$207a1da0$e24811d4@telekabel.at> G.S. shkruejti: > Statistika eshte shume e ulet, arsya eshte qe ende nuk ka mberri gjenerata e > "intellektualve" ku me mburje kan me bo vetvrasjen e kombit tyre. A ka ndo'i precedence per vetvrasje te ndo'i kombi kesisoji? > Ky problem nuk egziston, dhe nuk ka me egzistu deri sa te rregulohet ekonomija > e kosoves. Po na e kemi nje perparsi qe evropen/ameriken e kena si dritare per > me pa ardhmen tone, ka me qene ne duar tona, a dojna me kriju shtet te > perparum homogjen (pa raca/kombesi tjere) siq eshte Japonija dhe Islanda (dy > shtetet ma homogjen dhe te perparum ne bote), a dojna mu bo pus i racave > tjera, si Brazili (Shteti ma i zhvillum shume-racash). Po ndermjet ketyne shembujve kaq bukur t'futun neper kallepe kaq t'thjeshta e kaq solide a ka shtete tjera qi e kane nise zhvillimin pa iu perzi qytetarve ne zgjedhje t'bashkeshortit? > Ende herret eshte me bisedi kete pune, vyne edhe nja 20-30 vjet me shku per me > ja ndise mi pa shenjat e para te keti problemit, po eshte interesant me > diskutu, ma mire se me nejt si hollanda e me te rrok papritmas, ku tashti > ekipi futbolit Ajaksit e Hollandes doket si ekipi i Zimbabwes. dresat i kane ndryshe bre po m'doket, se jo qi merrem vesh n'sport. bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 04:08:22 2000 From: jlincolnlewis at hotmail.com (Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis) Date: Fri Apr 28 04:08:22 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]] References: <20000428011218.27772.qmail@nwcst284.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <20000428080813.72797.qmail@hotmail.com> Could someone give me a brief summary of what this discussion has been about? (In English) Some of these things never hit the English list, and my Albanian is still really bad. Thanks! From bressta at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 04:45:31 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 28 04:45:31 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]] Message-ID: <20000428084529.2227.qmail@web1106.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jennifer Lincoln-Lewis wrote: > Could someone give me a brief summary of what this > discussion has been > about? (In English) > > Some of these things never hit the English list, and > my Albanian is still > really bad. > > Thanks! Sorry may inglish is olso not so good to be able to giv you summary but i can tell you that most ov us are ashamed because ov the discussion, but eech ov us for ather risons. diplli sorry for not being able to help bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From bressta at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 05:13:12 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Fri Apr 28 05:13:12 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Demokracia, martesat e punet tjera t'grave Message-ID: <20000428091310.237.qmail@web1105.mail.yahoo.com> Te nderuem dashamire te kombit shqiptar, sigurisht shumica prej jush e keni mberri, apo se paku ia keni ndie zanin Rrahman Morines. Per ata qi s'e kane pase kete kenaqesi ekskuizite muj me thane qi mire i kane punet. Sidokjofte Rrahmani ka qene dikur moti administrator i Kosoves me ize te Milosevicit. Ket pune Rrahmani e ushtrojke fort zellshem, bile nuk pritojke hic me shkue katund m'katund me jau zane deren bujarve shqiptare e me iu mbajte ders ne tema te ndryshme qi kishin t'bajne me ardhmenine e Kosoves. Njana prej temave ma t'dashtuna t'Rrahmanit ka qene demokracia. Sidomos e bajshin nervoz Rrahmanin kur dilke turli katundari n'rruge e lypke demokraci. Ec e mos u cart. Apangte e veta s'din m'i lidhe mire e lype demokraci. Dit prej ditsh e qet Rrahmanin udha e tij e zellshme m'nji katund edhe i tubon burrat m'nji ode. Edhe nise me jau mbushe mendjen qi ata nuk dijne cka asht demokracia. N'ata lyp nji plak prej Rrahmanit me jau shpjegue xhematit qi ishin tubue aty, cka na qenka pra demokracia. Edhe merr Rrahmani plot emocione e me gjuhe popullore me jau ilustrue demokracine. Thote mes tjerash: demokraci asht me mujte grate tueja me ba cka t'done e mos me ju ngue ma hic. Qai plaku interesohet ma tutje: po mire bre Rrahmon, a e len Brahimi (dmth Rugova) gruen e vet me ba cka t'don? Rrahmani: qy, Brahimi asht ma i keqi prej tanve... Plaku: Vallahi bre Rrahmon, n'e lafte Brahimi, p'i lame edhe na tjeret se nami s'bahet. ... Kur t'e ban mend njeri sa zullumi verbal u shtrue ketu per cashtje private t'nji cike anonime, athue cka ban vaki ba me u cue Fana (ish 1st Lady e Kosoves) me ba ndo'i pune krye n'veti. Se ju po m'doket po i hani n'sy qata pleqte tone atje neper oda, po ata s'i luejn fjalet, sidomos jo ne pune te grave. me nderime bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From dardan at prishtina.com Fri Apr 28 08:22:21 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Fri Apr 28 08:22:21 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] JU LUTEM LEXONI!!!] Message-ID: <200004280826.AA125436400@prishtina.com> O Gemb, Deri tash une tu menu qi ti je tu bo hajgare kur i shkrujshe qito sene. Le pash zotin ne ven se me fole per qysh me i hjeke shkijet qafe qe i ki 1 ore larg me kerr, po fol per afrikancat e te tjeret qe jon larg ka 12 ore me aeroplan edhe zakonisht emigrojne ne vendet e pasuna, e Kosova nuk ma merr menja qe ju pelqen atyne. Ra ni femen, edhe lajmi sa di une as nuk osht i sigurte, e u bo nami... Dardani ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "G.S" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: 28 Apr 00 00:24:08 EDT > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >>Tung te Gjitheve >> Ju lutem te gjithe ju qe keni komentuar ne martesat e shqiptareve >>(sidomos vajzave)me racat tjera-"zezak", te lexoni keto paragrafe te >>shkruara nga Martin Luther King.. > >Ti je tu fol thu se une po propozoj mi bo zezaket sluga ne amerike, ose me pru >ligjin ne kosove qe nuk ka drejt kerkush mu martu me zezak. Une nuk jam kunder >zezakve, une jam kunder atyre qe dojin me prish kombin time, dhe vetem ne tre >menyra mundet mu zhduke kombi. > >1- Me mbyt qdo person. > >2- Me bo ma pak femije se cka duhet per me mbet njejt populsia (Italia/Spanja >ne krize). > >3- Me perzierjen massive te kombit/races me nje race tjeter, ku kombi/raca >humbet krejt prej kesaj toke. > >Femra/mashkulli shqiptar ka drejt mu martu me zezak, ato e zgjedh personi vet. >Po nje sen qe nuk munden ata me bo eshte qe nuk mundet neve shumices me na >imponu qe fmija gjysm zezak e sajna/atina eshte shqiptar. Ju qaty po e >kaperceni kufirin kur po doni na me zorr me pranu, me duar te hapur me pranu >nje fmi dhe familje te tille si shqiptar. Ata nashta munden me qene nenshtetas >Kosovar, po shqiptar kur smunden mu bo, se per mu bo shqiptar duhesh me qene i >bardhe, e jo zezak e kinez. A mundet me shku zezaki ne Kine edhe mu bo kinez ? >Jo. > From avukpalaj at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 08:51:54 2000 From: avukpalaj at hotmail.com (Ardian Vukpalaj) Date: Fri Apr 28 08:51:54 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] PPM..... Message-ID: <20000428125144.92401.qmail@hotmail.com> PPM......Pune per mua.... Zezaku.....ma mire zezak se sa serb...e dikush duhet ,e njehere duhet qe me ja nise edhe femrat shqiptare me ndrru mashkuj....se deri vone kan qene si ne burg nga fundamentalizmi shovenist mashkullor. Une personalisht...nuk po e di kush prej kesaj liste eshte PER e kush eshte KUNDER, por kjo vajza e ka jeten e saj edhe ska askush te drejte me i thane asgje lidhur me kete.... Nese e ka be per qef....cka perziheni ju.....eshte pune e saj edhe pike....Ardi......... ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fisnike at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 09:06:08 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Fri Apr 28 09:06:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] PPM..... Message-ID: <20000428130601.15794.qmail@hotmail.com> PPM......Pune per mua.... Zezaku.....ma mire zezak se sa serb...e dikush duhet ,e njehere duhet qe me ja nise edhe femrat shqiptare me ndrru mashkuj....se deri vone kan qene si ne burg nga fundamentalizmi shovenist mashkullor. Une personalisht...nuk po e di kush prej kesaj liste eshte PER e kush eshte KUNDER, por kjo vajza e ka jeten e saj edhe ska askush te drejte me i thane asgje lidhur me kete.... Nese e ka be per qef....cka perziheni ju.....eshte pune e saj edhe pike....Ardi......... Sa i perket teij concepti PPM dhe lirise se vajzes shqiptare te vendose vet per fatin saj, PAJTOHEM PLOTESISHT! venera ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fisnike at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 09:37:27 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Fri Apr 28 09:37:27 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428133720.54648.qmail@hotmail.com> ME KEND E KE EJ? <<<<< fisnike paske shum problem me trurin tan.ti nuk mundesh me than se 90% te femrave kosovare mendojn per martes ne at menyr se ti mendon. si po duket fisnike ti epaske kerkue at qorbe etash mundohesh krejt femrat kosovare mej shti ne at thes ku je ti.ti po ja ban sikurse dhelpnes kur ju ka kall bishti dhelpnes ,ka than u kall krejt dynjeja . fisnike ti je elir me ba qka te dush se ti je ne evrop e mundesh me ba qka te dush me trupin tan por mos i fut edhe femrat tjera shqiptare ne poziten ejuaj ne te cilen gjindesh ndoshta vet.tung menderime I.HOTI <<<< _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fisnike at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 09:44:03 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Fri Apr 28 09:44:03 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428134352.19131.qmail@hotmail.com> Pamarre parasysh kujt iu drejtohesh, pas pikes fjalite cdo here fillojne me shkrojne te madhe. P.sh. problem me trurin tan. Ti nuk mundesh me thane You welcome in advance. Sincerely, vb <<<<< fisnike paske shum problem me trurin tan.ti nuk mundesh me than se 90% te femrave kosovare mendojn per martes ne at menyr se ti mendon. si po duket fisnike ti epaske kerkue at qorbe etash mundohesh krejt femrat kosovare mej shti ne at thes ku je ti.ti po ja ban sikurse dhelpnes kur ju ka kall bishti dhelpnes ,ka than u kall krejt dynjeja . fisnike ti je elir me ba qka te dush se ti je ne evrop e mundesh me ba qka te dush me trupin tan por mos i fut edhe femrat tjera shqiptare ne poziten ejuaj ne te cilen gjindesh ndoshta vet.tung menderime I.HOTI <<<< _____________________________________________________ Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From pilika at yahoo.com Fri Apr 28 09:50:16 2000 From: pilika at yahoo.com (Asti Pilika) Date: Fri Apr 28 09:50:16 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428135007.24272.qmail@web805.mail.yahoo.com> Skandal! O ju shoke e miq, Fakti qe perdorni poste elektronike presupozon qe te mos ta keni koken plot paragjykime, qofshin keto gjinore apo racore. Po cuditem shume... Po, nejse, paragjykimet jane pune personale e secilit. Ato nuk mund te justifikojne akuza personale si ato qe lexova me poshte. Sa per historine e vajzes me zezakun, mendoj se eshte krejt pune e saj. Bile dyshoj edhe ne vertetesine e ngjarjes, se te pakten prej kesaj liste na eshte paraqitur me shume pak fjale, stil epik, e pa mundesi kontrolli. --- Venera Bekteshi wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > ME KEND E KE EJ? > > > <<<<< > fisnike paske shum problem me trurin tan.ti nuk > mundesh me than se 90% te > femrave kosovare mendojn per martes ne at menyr se > ti mendon. > si po duket fisnike ti epaske kerkue at qorbe etash > mundohesh krejt femrat > kosovare mej shti ne at thes ku je ti.ti po ja ban > sikurse dhelpnes kur ju > ka > kall bishti dhelpnes ,ka than u kall krejt dynjeja . > fisnike ti je elir me > ba > qka te dush se ti je ne evrop e mundesh me ba qka te > dush me trupin tan por > mos i fut edhe femrat tjera shqiptare ne poziten > ejuaj ne te cilen gjindesh > ndoshta vet.tung > menderime I.HOTI > <<<< > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From jeton at spray.se Fri Apr 28 09:52:07 2000 From: jeton at spray.se (jeton at spray.se) Date: Fri Apr 28 09:52:07 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <21438333@spray.se> mir? e ke O Vlla?ko _________________________________________s_p_r_a_y_ H?r b?rjar Internet! Skaffa gratis e-mail och gratis Internet p? http://www.spray.se From fisnike at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 11:02:36 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Fri Apr 28 11:02:36 2000 Subject: Fwd: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]] Message-ID: <20000428145942.55132.qmail@hotmail.com> hahhahahahha <<<<< epranoj se ne gramatik gjithnji ekam pas noten 2 mjaftueshem per ty fisnike >>>> e pra ne lexim dhe ne kuptim paske ngele krejt! Une nuk quhem Fisnike, se pari, e se dyti lexoj edhe njehere e-mailat e mi drejtuar kesaj liste. Sinqerisht, Venera Bekteshi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From gugja at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 11:13:45 2000 From: gugja at hotmail.com (ARIANIT MATOSHI) Date: Fri Apr 28 11:13:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Ooo Burra! Message-ID: <20000428151335.61347.qmail@hotmail.com> Kurr ne Kosove ike vajza prej shpije e u marrtojke, qfar problemi kan pas ajo? Qka e ka mundu ma se shumti? Nuk e ka pa familjen, nuk u kon e lire sa ka deshte per shkak te gjakit. Ushtarte e Amerikes jan ish-gangstera, e fatin qe e ka pas ajo vajze mos vet. Ajo ka me myt veten ni dite. Ku eshte tu jetu ajo vetem maxhupt jetojne aty. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 11:17:26 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 11:17:26 2000 Subject: [Re: [[Prishtina-l] JU LUTEM LEXONI!!!]] Message-ID: <20000428151723.25838.qmail@www0a.netaddress.usa.net> >Deri tash une tu menu qi ti je tu bo hajgare kur i shkrujshe qito sene. >Le pash zotin ne ven se me fole per qysh me i hjeke shkijet qafe qe i ki >1 ore larg me kerr, po fol per afrikancat e te tjeret qe jon larg ka 12 >ore me aeroplan edhe zakonisht emigrojne ne vendet e pasuna, e Kosova >nuk ma merr menja qe ju pelqen atyne. >Ra ni femen, edhe lajmi sa di une as nuk osht i sigurte, e u bo nami... >Dardani Po edi bre dardan qe nuk egzistone ky problem. Vetem po diskutoj me qeta "intellektuale" qe kan dal jasht e mendojin qe mu kon i perparum duhesh me pas jeten si Jerry springer show. Veq debat tu bo per qef, se me ardhe zezakt ne kosove e dina krejt cka ndodhe. Hajde po folim per shkije pra.. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From jeton at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 13:48:27 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Fri Apr 28 13:48:27 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]] Message-ID: <20000428174819.42810.qmail@hotmail.com> hey jen! people are battling for the soul of Albanianism right now... What point on the grand spectrum of: "they want to assimilate and disappear[not proud at all]"------>"they just keep to themselves[a little too proud]"---------->"they hate everyone and are backwards/xenophobic[as bad as slobo].... ...the standard racist set-up that G.S. and a couple of others are using is the old "unclean hordes are (or soon will (or could) be) knocking up our fair ladies while alst our weakened Albanian men can do is walk around Prishtine, hand-in-hand, like rump-ranging Frenchmen, or something..." ...it seems our newest contagion is this sudden infusion of neo-conservative style argument to camouflage positions u couldn't get Pat Buchanan to endorse (even an Albanian one)... ...i read but can't quite yet write Albanian, so i'm happy to translate this stupidity... jeton >Could someone give me a brief summary of what this discussion has been >about? (In English) > >Some of these things never hit the English list, and my Albanian is still >really bad. > >Thanks! > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From fisnike at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 14:05:48 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Fri Apr 28 14:05:48 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] hi Jen-topic Message-ID: <20000428180541.56913.qmail@hotmail.com> HI Jen, We are discussing about an Albanian girl who "supposedly" became pregnant with an African-American man. The girl was found in airport bleeding badly and her condition is rather alarming. There are those who accept her decision and look at it as normal act, respecting her right to make her own decisions, and there are those who are FURIOUS and completely devastated by the fact that AN ALBANIAN Girl was involved with a Black Man or as the topic claims, A Niger. People discuss the future of this girl and her soon to be baby. Some of the questions raised include whether the baby will be accepted as an Albanian from the community and whether acts like this should be repeated. I hope this simplified version of our discussion helps. Sincerely, Venera Bekteshi Venera Bekteshi ----Original Message Follows---- From: "jeton ademaj" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]] Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:48:19 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [149.123.30.141] Received: from [205.216.244.65] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBAD319F1001CD820F3D4CDD8F44185770; Fri Apr 28 10:48:41 2000 Received: from alb-net.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3SHmT900161;Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f31.law6.hotmail.com [216.32.241.31])by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e3SHmQ900136for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 13:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 42811 invoked by uid 0); 28 Apr 2000 17:48:19 -0000 Received: from 149.123.30.141 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:48:19 PDT From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 14:06:22 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 14:06:22 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] Ooo Burra!] Message-ID: <20000428180616.26442.qmail@nwcst278.netaddress.usa.net> > Ushtarte e Amerikes jan ish-gangstera, e fatin qe e ka pas ajo >vajze mos vet. Ajo ka me myt veten ni dite. Ku eshte tu jetu ajo vetem >maxhupt jetojne aty. Ushtaret e Amerikes jan zakonisht klase shume e ulet, shumica ikin ne ushtri se nuk din cka dojin ne jete, kan probleme me ligjin e ju vyn dicipline. Tashti ke edhe njerz te afte ose ushtar profesional, po ata zakonisht shkojin neper shkolla e fakultete e tani bohen officier. Kta qe quhen private (kombesor) jan ZAKONISHT ose fshatar nese jon te bardhe, ose prej "ghetto" nese jan te zi. Populsia vendase shqiptar duhet mi pas punet mire me ushtare po ju mu perzi me ta (mu bo dosta). Ku ka ushtar ka prostitucion/droge etj, qashtu qe mire bojin shipecat qe ju qojin femra Ukraines/Moldovise (gjynah qe spo ju japin paret baram) etj. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 14:18:23 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 14:18:23 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]] Message-ID: <20000428181801.9833.qmail@nw178.netaddress.usa.net> >people are battling for the soul of Albanianism right now... hehehe,, its more like having fun, "battling for the soul of Albanianism" is that dramatic or what. 99.9% of the Albanians do not even think about this because it doesnt exist (including me), but you could probably prepare a poll or something asking them "How would you feel if 400,000 gypsies came here from Romania and started marrying Albanian girls". I think you would be in for the shock of your life. Who ever gave you the notion that the Albanians were fighting for a multi-cultural society during the war ? (I read it in one of your posts) ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From juniku at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 14:58:23 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Fri Apr 28 14:58:23 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo Message-ID: <20000428185801.40068.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear list- members, The emphasis in many of your letters seems to be on working the readers into a hot lather and cutting back and forth between commentators (some of them with racist tendencies) so quickly that there is little opportunity for follow-up, or, indeed serious thought. It can fairly resemble a zoo. What is this list about?! Uk Lushi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sami at prishtina.com Fri Apr 28 15:31:01 2000 From: sami at prishtina.com (sami) Date: Fri Apr 28 15:31:01 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo References: <20000428185801.40068.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <001f01c66bd1$85f85860$9900330a@KOHA> Sa per informim (pasi qe jeni kah ?ani drrasa per shtatzenesi me zezak) po ju tregoj se ne spitalin e Prishtines deri tani vec jane kryer dy lindje te femrave shqiptare.... femijet jane te races se zeze... tung ************************** Sami K?iku sami at prishtina.com www.prishtina.com ************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uk Lushi" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Dear list- members, > > The emphasis in many of your letters seems to be on working the readers into > a hot lather and cutting back and forth between commentators (some of them > with racist tendencies) so quickly that there is little opportunity for > follow-up, or, indeed serious thought. > > It can fairly resemble a zoo. > > What is this list about?! > > > Uk Lushi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From sylo at online.no Fri Apr 28 15:58:29 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Fri Apr 28 15:58:29 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Plaqkitja e organizatave humanitare ne Kosove = TURP References: <20000428185801.40068.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <005901bfb14c$162641a0$125e4382@sylo> Sapo lexova ne shtypin norvegjez, se selia e organizates "Norwegian peoples help" u plaqkit ne Peje, nga plaqkites te maskuar. Me pare jane plaqkitur edhe tri organizata tjera humanitare norvegjeze ne Kosove ! Tani organizatat jane te detyruara te perdorin me shume para per roje, keshtu qe per ndihma mbetet me pak. Gjithashtu populli norvegjez eshte i deshpruar, qe ndihmat qe i ndajne nga rrogat e veta (nga kafshata e gojes) per mi dergu ne Kosove, po plaqkiten bajagi si shpesh. Kosovaret po harrojne se jane shume te priviligjuar! Zezaket e Afrikes po paguajne cmimin e padrejtesise, qe po behet, pasi qe ne Kosove po shkojne me shume ndihma, derisa zezaket psh ne Angola. Sapo e lexova nje raport te KB-se, ne te cilen thuhet se gjendja humanitare ne Angola eshte alarmuese. Atje njerezit po vdesin nga urija. Kurse ne Kosove, shume kushi po shkon me i marre ndihmat me Mercedes tip t'ri. (sigurisht te vjedhun pikerisht ne ato shtete, nga ku po vijne edhe ndihmat). Mediat kosovare, as nuk po merziten me shkru per keto plaqkitje, kurse politikanet jane teper te zene, duke u perla ndermjet vete se kush ka me shume merita per luften clirimtare dhe intervenimin e NATOs. Syla Norvegji http://home.sol.no/~sylo ----- Original Message ----- From: Uk Lushi To: Sent: 28. april 2000 20:58 Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Dear list- members, > > The emphasis in many of your letters seems to be on working the readers into > a hot lather and cutting back and forth between commentators (some of them > with racist tendencies) so quickly that there is little opportunity for > follow-up, or, indeed serious thought. > > It can fairly resemble a zoo. > > What is this list about?! > > > Uk Lushi > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu Fri Apr 28 16:00:11 2000 From: dgashi at ic.sunysb.edu (Diar Gashi) Date: Fri Apr 28 16:00:11 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo In-Reply-To: <001f01c66bd1$85f85860$9900330a@KOHA> Message-ID: Ky eshte fillimi veq...Ushtaret jane hi ne Kosove para perafersisht "9 muje"...Si po duket ka me zgjate kjo teme per nje kohe te gjate... On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, sami wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Sa per informim (pasi qe jeni kah ?ani drrasa per shtatzenesi me zezak) po > ju tregoj se ne spitalin e Prishtines deri tani vec jane kryer dy lindje te > femrave shqiptare.... femijet jane te races se zeze... > tung > > > ************************** > Sami K?iku > sami at prishtina.com > www.prishtina.com > > ************************** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Uk Lushi" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:58 PM > Subject: [Prishtina-l] The Zoo > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Dear list- members, > > > > The emphasis in many of your letters seems to be on working the readers > into > > a hot lather and cutting back and forth between commentators (some of them > > with racist tendencies) so quickly that there is little opportunity for > > follow-up, or, indeed serious thought. > > > > It can fairly resemble a zoo. > > > > What is this list about?! > > > > > > Uk Lushi > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From gujda at hotmail.com Fri Apr 28 19:04:13 2000 From: gujda at hotmail.com (Shkumbin Hamiti) Date: Fri Apr 28 19:04:13 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Disa statistika per ju "intellektualt" Message-ID: <20000428230406.5482.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "G.S" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [Prishtina-l] Disa statistika per ju "intellektualt" >Date: 27 Apr 00 14:53:58 EDT > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > >te bardha), Lojtari pare zezak ja ka fillu me lujt per ekipin e greqise ne >futbal (edhe thote se eshte grek !!). Nuk ma ndine per greqine, po >greqija/italia mundet me qene si shtetet me histori 50 vjeqare ma se afer >neve. Miss Italia zezake !!!! Cka eshte kjo pune ? > Kjo dmth se ajo cuce ka qene ma e bukur se shoqet e saja qe kane marre pjese ne ate gare. Per me t'kalle pak Gembi edhe Finlanda e ka pase nje Miss njashtu t'rreshkt. Edhe nja 99% t'mashkujve qe i njoh pa dallim feje, kombi, fisi apo ideologjie ja kishin punu pa mendu shume. 1% ende nuk jane deklaru, se nuk po guxojne prej grave. Me sa po e marr vesh une, Gembi paska bindje koxha raciste, dhe me sa e morra vesh une ai po jetojka ne Amerike dhe si duket ligjet e atij shteti po tolerojkan racizmin e nuk po u lodhkan shume per kete pune. Ketu ku jetoj une (Finlande) po m'duket kishin me e denu koxha shume per ofendime te tilla publike ndaj ndonje race. Te fala, Shkumbini P.S. Gati e harrova punen e asaj cuces shqiptare ne aeroport. Nuk e morra vesh ne cilin aeroport paska ndodhe kjo pune? ...Veq prej kuriozitetit... >Vetem nje minut blokoje kryt prej filmave, lajmeve dhe informacionin tjeter >perendimor qe e qete kete propagande perzirje-racave, dhe kujtoji krejt >shoket/ miqet/ baballaret etj qe i keni ne trojet shqiptar, keta kadal >kadale >mbrenda disa gjeneratave mu bo komplet zezak, ajo eshte synimi i ketyre >"intellektualve", dhe presin qe na me gjith zemer kete ide banale tyre jo >vetem me pranu , po edhe me qene pjestaresh ne kete masakar kombetar. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Fri Apr 28 21:14:23 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Fri Apr 28 21:14:23 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Disa statistika per ju "intellektualt"] Message-ID: <20000429011421.23834.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> >Kjo dmth se ajo cuce ka qene ma e bukur se shoqet e saja qe kane marre >pjese ne ate gare. >Per me t'kalle pak Gembi edhe Finlanda e ka pase nje Miss njashtu >t'rreshkt. Edi edhe Miss Finlanda qe eshte gysm zezake,, te dyjat jan gjysm te bardha per qato jon te bukura. >Edhe nja 99% t'mashkujve qe i njoh pa dallim feje, kombi, fisi apo >ideologjie ja kishin punu pa mendu shume. 1% ende nuk jane deklaru, se >nuk po guxojne prej grave. Edhe pronaret e sleverve ketu ne Amerike para 200 vjetve kan flejt me zezaket. Mos kan qene liberal ata ? >Me sa po e marr vesh une, Gembi paska bindje koxha raciste, dhe me sa e >morra vesh une ai po jetojka ne Amerike dhe si duket ligjet e atij >shteti po tolerojkan racizmin e nuk po u lodhkan shume per kete pune. A deshte demokraci ? Edhe une kam drejt me mendu cka du. Nese dikush eshte racist nese eshte kunder shkrijres e kombit me nje race tjeter, athere une jam racisti ma i madhe ne bote (edhe qe me pelqejin jahudit, kinezet, indianet etj. Kinezet jan njerzit ma te menqur ne bote). >Ketu ku jetoj une (Finlande) po m'duket kishin me e denu koxha shume per >ofendime te tilla publike ndaj ndonje race. Ne Amerike deri sa nuk thushe "mbyti zezaket" ne rregul je. Une nuk du me mbyt kerkon. E qysh po thushe ti ne finland qenka si shtet Komonist. >Te fala, >Shkumbini Te fala edhe ty. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From dardan at prishtina.com Sat Apr 29 00:34:35 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sat Apr 29 00:34:35 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <200004290039.AA71828004@prishtina.com> Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe e ka shkru kete masi qe e ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te racizmit e gjenocidit po tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet poshteruese "nigger e gorilla" po perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo prej atyne ne Kosove. Dardani P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me autorin, prape se prape po shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Xxxxx Xxxx Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND Serbs continue with their savage and auto-destructive racism against one another. This is a racism and hate against each other that has gone on for more than a thousand years. No one suffers more than the innocent men, women and children who have to sustain the atrocities and die because of ignorant fools who, due to their own feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others as scapegoats and victimize those around them. Shame on these fools who now want to expand their racism to a man and woman who simply love each other and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. So what if she is white and he is black. There is more strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding of the human races. This is why we here in the United States are finally learning that the reason we are the mightiest and greatest country in the world, is because we are indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people and the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But I wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent enough to learn this valuable lesson. The longer you keep on destroying one another, the easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH of you equally, will take you over and rip what's left of your meager lands into further oblivion. In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This is evidenced by the way they've handled the disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These idiots have never known that in unity, there is strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest of the world, but divided as they are, they both will fall and ultimately be destroyed. To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of "Ethnic Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you that Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people to be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used the Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of world domination. Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans would have NEVER made it without us! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From puka at usa.net Sat Apr 29 02:26:51 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sat Apr 29 02:26:51 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000429062648.10080.qmail@nwcst288.netaddress.usa.net> Ma mire ta kryna ket pune e mos te folim per racat tjera se nuk eshte nevoja, kur vjen nevoja edhe nja 200 vjet athere nese jon hala shqiptaret si une (i qesin jashte e e majin kosoven per veti), nese jon si ju athere kryhet puna shqiptarizmit e bohemi krejt vlaznim bashkim, qithere me krejt boten e jo vetem me shkijet. Deri athere nashta ska me pas as njerz po vetem rrobota, qasthu qe kot jena tu fol. Se edhe qiky i huji qe ka shkrujt mi qoj nervat me thy kompjuterin krejt, se din qe tish kon amerika 90% zezak ish kon llomi i botes. Nejse une pe lo me qito, spo folim mo per ket pune. Hajde po folim ne najsen ma konstruktive. Une mendoj qe eshte mire shqiptaret me pas ma pak kundershtim per martesave nder fetar nderjmet shqiptareve, dhe mire eshte martese ndermjet trojeve (kosova/shqiper/maqedoni) qe me forcu identitetin kombetar dhe me ule perqarjen ndermjet neve. Sidomos Kosove/Shqiperi, se edi qe Kosovaret e ulin shqiperin "rebela" , edhe ata na kqyrin si "ckerdhata" hehehe.. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sat Apr 29 02:58:21 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sat Apr 29 02:58:21 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <20000429065819.3583.qmail@nw173.netaddress.usa.net> My last race based post in response to your english based lecture to us "savage" balkan people, and this is to finish it off with my thoughts that are so clearly stated in this article. It will be hard for people in Nowray and Finland to understand it since there are no large scale minorities there, but it surely applies to the guys in the US. I WILL NOT RESPOND TO ANY MORE RACIAL POSTINGS SINCE OUR POSITIONS ARE SO POLARIZED, ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I DONT WANT KOSOVA TO BECOME LIKE THE US IS IN THE RACIAL ASPECT. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- by Thomas Jackson There is surely no nation in the world that holds "racism" in greater horror than does the United States. Compared to other kinds of offenses, it is thought to be somehow more reprehensible. The press and public have become so used to tales of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, that any but the most spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the inevitable texture of American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off. For example, when a White Georgetown Law School student reported earlier this year that black students are not as qualified as White students, it set off a booming, national controversy about "racism." If the student had merely murdered someone he would have attracted far less attention and criticism. Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. Universities are on full alert for it, newspapers and politicians denounce it, churches preach against it, America is said to be racked with it, but just what is racism? Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what is meant by the word. They usually define it as the belief that one's own ethnic stock is superior to others, or as the belief that culture and behavior are rooted in race. When Americans speak of racism they mean a great deal more than this. Nevertheless, the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to understanding what Americans do mean. A peculiarly American meaning derives from the current dogma that all ethnic stocks are equal. Despite clear evidence to the contrary, all races have been declared to be equally talented and hard- working, and anyone who questions the dogma is thought to be not merely wrong but evil. The dogma has logical consequences that are profoundly important. If blacks, for example, are equal to Whites in every way, what accounts for their poverty, criminality, and dissipation? Since any theory of racial differences has been outlawed, the only possible explanation for black failure is White racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, crime-prone, and dissipated, America must be racked with pervasive racism. Nothing else could be keeping them in such an abject state. All public discourse on race today is locked into this rigid logic. Any explanation for black failure that does not depend on White wickedness threatens to veer off into the forbidden territory of racial differences. Thus, even if today's Whites can find in their hearts no desire to oppress blacks, yesterday's Whites must have oppressed them. If Whites do not consciously oppress blacks, they must oppress them Unconsciously. If no obviously racist individuals can be identified, then societal institutions must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so terribly in America, there simply must be millions of White people we do not know about, who are working day and night to keep blacks in misery. The dogma of racial equality leaves no room for an explanation of black failure that is not, in some fashion, an indictment of White people. The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we are required to believe that the only explanation for non-White failure is White racism, every time a non-White is poor, commits a crime, goes on welfare, or takes drugs, White society stands accused of yet another act of racism. All failure or misbehavior by non-Whites is standing proof that White society is riddled with hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as non-Whites fail to succeed in life at exactly the same level as Whites, Whites will be, by definition, thwarting and oppressing them. This obligatory pattern of thinking leads to strange conclusions. First of all, racism is a sin that is thought to be committed almost exclusively by White people. Indeed, a black congressman from Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black mayor of Detroit, have argued that only White people can be racist. Likewise, in 1987, the affirmative action officer of the State Insurance Fund of New York issued a company pamphlet in which she explained that all Whites are racist and that only Whites can be racist. How else could the plight of blacks be explained without flirting with the possibility of racial inequality? Although some blacks and liberal Whites concede that non-Whites can, perhaps, be racist, they invariably add that non-Whites have been forced into it as self-defense because of centuries of White oppression. What appears to be non-White racism is so understandable and forgivable that it hardly deserves the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called racism depends on the race of the racist. What would surely be called racism when done by Whites is thought to be normal when done by anyone else. The reverse is also true. Examples of this sort of double standard are so common, it is almost tedious to list them: When a White man kills a black man and uses the word "nigger" while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar and the nation beats its collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh cult carry out ritual murders of random Whites, the media are silent (see AR of March, 1991). College campuses forbid pejorative statements about non-Whites as "racist," but ignore scurrilous attacks on Whites. At election time, if 60 percent of the White voters vote for a White candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote for the black opponent, it is Whites who are accused of racial bias. There are 107 "historically black" colleges, whose fundamental blackness must be preserved in the name of diversity, but all historically White colleges must be forcibly integrated in the name of... the same thing. To resist would be racist. "Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy thing, but anything that could be construed as an expression of White pride is a form of hatred. It is perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to expect school instruction and driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for native Americans to ask them to learn English is racist. Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of affirmative action, is now the law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative action, if practiced in favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable favoritism. All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian clubs and caucuses are thought to be fine expressions of ethnic solidarity, but any club or association expressly for Whites is by definition racist. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) campaigns openly for black advantage but is a respected "civil rights" organization. The National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) campaigns merely for equal treatment of all races, but is said to be viciously racist. At a few college campuses, students opposed to affirmative action have set up student unions for Whites, analogous to those for blacks, Hispanics, etc, and have been roundly condemned as racists. Recently, when the White students at Lowell High School in San Francisco found themselves to be a minority, they asked for a racially exclusive club like the ones that non-Whites have. They were turned down in horror. Indeed, in America today, any club not specifically formed to be a White enclave but whose members simply happen all to be White is branded as racist. Today, one of the favorite slogans that define the asymmetric quality of American racism is "celebration of diversity." It has begun to dawn on a few people that "diversity" is always achieved at the expense of Whites (and sometimes men), and never the other way around. No one proposes that Howard University be made more diverse by admitting Whites, Hispanics, or Asians. No one ever suggests that National Hispanic University in San Jose (CA) would benefit from the diversity of having non-Hispanics on campus. No one suggests that the Black Congressional Caucus or the executive ranks of the NAACP or the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund suffer from a lack of diversity. Somehow, it is perfectly legitimate for them to celebrate homogeneity. And yet any all-White group - a company, a town, a school, a club, a neighborhood - is thought to suffer from a crippling lack of diversity that must be remedied as quickly as possible. Only when Whites have been reduced to a minority has "diversity" been achieved. Let us put it bluntly: To "celebrate" or "embrace" diversity, as we are so often asked to do, is no different from deploring an excess of Whites. In fact, the entire nation is thought to suffer from an excess of Whites. Our current immigration policies are structured so that approximately 90 percent of our annual 800,000 legal immigrants are non-White. The several million illegal immigrants that enter the country every year are virtually all non-White. It would be racist not to be grateful for this laudable contribution to "diversity." It is, of course, only White nations that are called upon to practice this kind of "diversity." It is almost criminal to imagine a nation of any other race countenancing blatant dispossession of this kind. What if the United States were pouring its poorest, least educated citizens across the border into Mexico? Could anyone be fooled into thinking that Mexico was being "culturally enriched?" What if the state of Chihuahua were losing its majority population to poor Whites who demanded that schools be taught in English, who insisted on celebrating the Fourth of July, who demanded the right to vote even if they weren't citizens, who clamored for "affirmative action" in jobs and schooling? Would Mexico - or any other non-White nation - tolerate this kind of cultural and demographic depredation? Of course not. Yet White Americans are supposed to look upon the flood of Hispanics and Asians entering their country as a priceless cultural gift. They are supposed to "celebrate" their own loss of influence, their own dwindling numbers, their own dispossession, for to do otherwise would be hopelessly racist. There is another curious asymmetry about American racism. When non- Whites advance their own racial purposes, no one ever accuses them of "hating" another group. Blacks can join "civil rights" groups and Hispanics can be activists without fear of being branded as bigots and hate mongers. They can agitate openly for racial preferences that can come only at the expense of whites. They can demand preferential treatment of all kinds without anyone ever suggesting that they are "anti-white." Whites, on the other hand, need only express their opposition to affirmative action to be called haters. They need only subject racial policies that are clearly prejudicial to themselves to be called racists. Should they actually go so far as to say that they prefer the company of their own kind, that they wish to be left alone to enjoy the fruits of their European heritage, they are irredeemably wicked and hateful. Here, then is the final, baffling inconsistency about American race relations. All non-whites are allowed to prefer the company of their own kind, to think of themselves as groups with interests distinct from those of the whole, and to work openly for group advantage. None of this is thought to be racist. At the same time, whites must also champion the racial interests of non-whites. They must sacrifice their own future on the altar of "diversity" and cooperate in their own dispossession. They are to encourage, even to subsidize, the displacement of a European people and culture by alien peoples and cultures. To put it in the simplest possible terms, White people are cheerfully to slaughter their own society, to commit racial and cultural suicide. To refuse to do so would be racism. Of course, the entire non-white enterprise in the United States is perfectly natural and healthy. Nothing could be more natural than to love one's people and to hope that it should flourish. Filipinos and El Salvadorans are doubtless astonished to discover that simply by setting foot in the United States they are entitled to affirmative action preferences over native-born whites, but can they be blamed for accepting them? Is it surprising that they should want their languages, their cultures, their brothers and sisters to take possession and put their mark indelibly on the land? If the once-great people of a once-great nation is bent upon self-destruction and is prepared to hand over land and power to whomever shows up and asks for it, why should Mexicans and Cambodians complain? No, it is the White enterprise in the United States that is unnatural, unhealthy, and without historical precedent. Whites have let themselves be convinced that it is racist merely to object to dispossession, much less to work for their own interests. Never in the history of the world has a dominant people thrown open the gates to strangers, and poured out its wealth to aliens. Never before has a people been fooled into thinking that there was virtue or nobility in surrendering its heritage, and giving away to others its place in history. Of all the races in America, only whites have been tricked into thinking that a preference for one's own kind is racism. Only whites are ever told that a love for their own people is somehow "hatred" of others. All healthy people prefer the company of their own kind, and it has nothing to do with hatred. All men love their families more than their neighbors, but this does not mean that they hate their neighbors. Whites who love their racial family need bear no ill will towards non-whites. They only wish to be left alone to participate in the unfolding of their racial and cultural destinies. What whites in America are being asked to do is therefore utterly unnatural. They are being asked to devote themselves to the interests of other races and to ignore the interests of their own. This is like asking a man to forsake his own children and love the children of his neighbors, since to do otherwise would be "racist." What then, is "racism?" It is considerably more than any dictionary is likely to say. It is any opposition by whites to official policies of racial preference for non-whites. It is any preference by whites for their own people and culture. It is any resistance by whites to the idea of becoming a minority people. It is any unwillingness to be pushed aside. It is, in short, any of the normal aspirations of people-hood that have defined nations since the beginning of history - but only so long as the aspirations are those of whites. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From juniku at hotmail.com Sat Apr 29 03:45:08 2000 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Sat Apr 29 03:45:08 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Racial remarks Message-ID: <20000429074501.5329.qmail@hotmail.com> >From: "Dardan Blaku" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:39:15 -0400 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >... Ni shkrim shume interesant... > >...P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me autorin, prape se prape po >shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste... Dardan, te lutem t' mos keqkuptosh jam duke diskutuar... Nuk e di pse ky shkrim do te duhej te kualifikohej interesant?! Sipas mendimit tim, ne aspektin e formes eshte nje shkrim me pak se mesatar, ne aspektin e permbajtjes nje shkrim shume subjektiv dhe spekulues dhe ne aspektin teknik nje deshtim. Pse ka qene interesant per ty? > > >---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >From: Xxxxx Xxxx >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) >To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com Kjo me duket shume jo fer. Cka reprezentojne gjithe keta X-a? Ku eshte burimi i shkrimit edhe nese nuk ipet autori? Pse nuk ipet emri i domenit ku eshte marrur ai? >It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND Serbs >continue with their savage and auto-destructive racism >against one another. This is a racism and hate against >each other that has gone on for more than a thousand >years. Nje gabim trashanik ne konstatim. Shqiptaret dhe serbet nuk mund te jene raciste kunder njeri tjetrit. Ata, te dyte, jane pjestare te races se bardhe. Ata mund te jene shoveniste, nacionaliste etj., mirepo kualifikimi racist nuk qendron. >No one suffers more than the innocent men, women and >children who have to sustain the atrocities and die >because of ignorant fools who, due to their own >feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others as >scapegoats and victimize those around them. >Shame on these fools who now want to expand their >racism to a man and woman who simply love each other >and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. So >what if she is white and he is black. There is more >strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding of >the human races. >This is why we here in the United States are finally >learning that the reason we are the mightiest and >greatest country in the world, is because we are >indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people and >the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and >blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But I >wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent >enough to learn this valuable lesson. >The longer you keep on destroying one another, the >easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH of >you equally, will take you over and rip what's left of >your meager lands into further oblivion. >In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" >(Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those >in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though >they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This >is evidenced by the way they've handled the >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. This is simply not true. Albanians initially expressed the desire to stay within Yugoslavia, but how could they when they never were equal?! It is nonsense to satanize the victim and the predator the same way. These >idiots have never known that in unity, there is >strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest >of the world, but divided as they are, they both will >fall and ultimately be destroyed. This is absolutely true. However, how can two inequals get united? How can you see strength in uniting victims and murderers. In spite of this, of course, Albanians should forgive and not do the same thing to Serbs, but whoever requests from them to forget is out of line!!! People from the Balkans can be united in a near future after all of them have gotten to the same equality level. You can have unity only when diversity is accepted. The Serbs still can't see Albanians as normal people equal to them. >To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of "Ethnic >Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you that >Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people to >be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and >Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used the >Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of world >domination. Kjo eshte edhe nje e pavertete tjeter. Hitleri nuk i ka krahasuar greket dhe shqiptaret me te tjeret. Ai i ka pare shqiptaret si ariane dhe greket si te pastert per shkak te te kaluares se tyre antike dhe kultures. Eshte e vertete se ideologjia e tij ka qene e cmendur, mirepo ai ka perfaqesuar teorine e "racial purity" dhe kurre teorine e "ethnic cleansing". Kjo e dyta eshte "zbuluar" nga perendimoret (rasti i Bohemise) dhe eshte zbatuar me te madhe nga Stalini dhe ruset. >Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that >liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans would >have NEVER made it without us! This is another lie. If the Allied ever did anything for Albanians until last year, it was only pushing them deeper in their tragedy of the obscuranty of the comunist system and national divide. The Allied looked by for more than 50 years. Sometimes not acting can be blamed more than wrong acting. It was these Allies who recognised the dicatatorial regimes in the Balkans. Besides this, who's talking of understanding? Somebody who calls my country ignorant and my people and me- idiots?!!! All in all one can't say today that Albanians are racist. They don't hate anybody. What they want is to be equal with the rest of the world. I can't exclude cases where Albanian individuals might be racist, but this doesn't justify the qualifacitaion of them as a racist nation. It was the Albanians of Albania who rescued 100% of Jews during the WWII, although according to the author of this piece of writing Hitler considered them "special". Albanians are interested in future, in good future and whoever helps them will be honered respectively. From America to Australia. From Africa to Asia. From the Northern Pole to the Southern Pole. Uk Lushi ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From ardian at prishtina-net.com Sat Apr 29 04:31:36 2000 From: ardian at prishtina-net.com (Ardian Jashari) Date: Sat Apr 29 04:31:36 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.] Message-ID: <200004290831.BAA15580@mail9.bigmailbox.com> An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available URL: From bressta at yahoo.com Sat Apr 29 07:35:45 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Sat Apr 29 07:35:45 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Disa statistika per ju "intellektualt"] References: <20000429011421.23834.qmail@nwcst292.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: <003c01bfb1cf$14b7ce00$e24811d4@telekabel.at> G.S shkruejti > > Edi edhe Miss Finlanda qe eshte gysm zezake,, te dyjat jan gjysm te bardha per > qato jon te bukura. nese ato cucat gjys t'bardha kane qene ma t'bukra se ato sall t'bardha po i bijka qi ato t'perzimet qenkan pergjithesisht ma t'bukra. Prandej un kisha propozue qi per keso perzimjesh pos mujme m'u gezue se ndoshta na e zbukurojne racen pak. Natyrisht s'po due me thane qi jena race e pahijshme, po megjithate nuk na ban zarar me u zbukurue henez. Nese dikush preferon me u idhnue s'ka problem... > >Edhe nja 99% t'mashkujve qe i njoh pa dallim feje, kombi, fisi apo > >ideologjie ja kishin punu pa mendu shume. 1% ende nuk jane deklaru, se >nuk > po guxojne prej grave. > > Edhe pronaret e sleverve ketu ne Amerike para 200 vjetve kan flejt me zezaket. > Mos kan qene liberal ata ? dmth ata pronare skllevnish qi kane fjete me robet e vet i kane pase te njejtat pasione per robet e vet si keta te anketuemit e siperpermendun. Sigurisht paskan qene liberal pra. Shkumbin llogaritem edhe mue n'qat perqindjen e atyne qi s'guxojne me u deklarue. > >Me sa po e marr vesh une, Gembi paska bindje koxha raciste, dhe me sa e > >morra vesh une ai po jetojka ne Amerike dhe si duket ligjet e atij >shteti po > tolerojkan racizmin e nuk po u lodhkan shume per kete pune. > > A deshte demokraci ? Edhe une kam drejt me mendu cka du. Nese dikush eshte > racist nese eshte kunder shkrijres e kombit me nje race tjeter, athere une jam > racisti ma i madhe ne bote (edhe qe me pelqejin jahudit, kinezet, indianet > etj. Kinezet jan njerzit ma te menqur ne bote). Boll mire asht me mendue mirepo kur vjen puna me u shprehe publikisht demokracia e lype njifare korrektesie politike pa te cilen nuk funksionon. > >Ketu ku jetoj une (Finlande) po m'duket kishin me e denu koxha shume per > >ofendime te tilla publike ndaj ndonje race. > > Ne Amerike deri sa nuk thushe "mbyti zezaket" ne rregul je. Une nuk du me mbyt > kerkon. E qysh po thushe ti ne finland qenka si shtet Komonist. Tek a vend fort i shyhretshem Amerika. Per cillen Amerike asht fjala ? bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From dardan at prishtina.com Sat Apr 29 09:45:12 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sat Apr 29 09:45:12 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Re:Racial remarks Message-ID: <200004290949.AA823394370@prishtina.com> Ne rregull, une thash qe nuk pajtohem me autorin edhe nuk thash qe eshte "masterpiece" po eshte vetem shkrim i nje anetarit te listes. E percolla ne liste vetem pse shihej ndikimi i diskutimeve tona ne fjalet e tij. Edhe sa i perket identitetit, ky duhet te jete dikush qe ka qene i inkuadrum ne diskutime, por e ka nderruar identitetin pasi qe adresa e tij (George Garza ) i eshte shtuar listes brenda 48 oreve te fundit. ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Uk Lushi" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:45:01 PDT > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > >>From: "Dardan Blaku" >>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >>To: >>Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks >>Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:39:15 -0400 >> >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >>... Ni shkrim shume interesant... > > >>...P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me autorin, prape se prape po >>shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste... > >Dardan, > >te lutem t' mos keqkuptosh jam duke diskutuar... > >Nuk e di pse ky shkrim do te duhej te kualifikohej interesant?! Sipas >mendimit tim, ne aspektin e formes eshte nje shkrim me pak se mesatar, ne >aspektin e permbajtjes nje shkrim shume subjektiv dhe spekulues dhe ne >aspektin teknik nje deshtim. Pse ka qene interesant per ty? >> >> >>---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>From: Xxxxx Xxxx >>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) >>To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > >Kjo me duket shume jo fer. Cka reprezentojne gjithe keta X-a? Ku eshte >burimi i shkrimit edhe nese nuk ipet autori? Pse nuk ipet emri i domenit ku >eshte marrur ai? > > >>It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND Serbs >>continue with their savage and auto-destructive racism >>against one another. This is a racism and hate against >>each other that has gone on for more than a thousand >>years. > >Nje gabim trashanik ne konstatim. Shqiptaret dhe serbet nuk mund te jene >raciste kunder njeri tjetrit. Ata, te dyte, jane pjestare te races se >bardhe. Ata mund te jene shoveniste, nacionaliste etj., mirepo kualifikimi >racist nuk qendron. > >>No one suffers more than the innocent men, women and >>children who have to sustain the atrocities and die >>because of ignorant fools who, due to their own >>feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others as >>scapegoats and victimize those around them. >>Shame on these fools who now want to expand their >>racism to a man and woman who simply love each other >>and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. So >>what if she is white and he is black. There is more >>strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding of >>the human races. >>This is why we here in the United States are finally >>learning that the reason we are the mightiest and >>greatest country in the world, is because we are >>indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people and >>the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and >>blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But I >>wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent >>enough to learn this valuable lesson. >>The longer you keep on destroying one another, the >>easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH of >>you equally, will take you over and rip what's left of >>your meager lands into further oblivion. >>In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" >>(Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those >>in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though >>they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This >>is evidenced by the way they've handled the >>disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country >>destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. > >This is simply not true. Albanians initially expressed the desire to stay >within Yugoslavia, but how could they when they never were equal?! It is >nonsense to satanize the victim and the predator the same way. > >These >>idiots have never known that in unity, there is >>strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest >>of the world, but divided as they are, they both will >>fall and ultimately be destroyed. > >This is absolutely true. However, how can two inequals get united? How can >you see strength in uniting victims and murderers. In spite of this, of >course, Albanians should forgive and not do the same thing to Serbs, but >whoever requests from them to forget is out of line!!! People from the >Balkans can be united in a near future after all of them have gotten to the >same equality level. You can have unity only when diversity is accepted. The >Serbs still can't see Albanians as normal people equal to them. > > >>To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of "Ethnic >>Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you that >>Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people to >>be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and >>Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used the >>Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of world >>domination. > >Kjo eshte edhe nje e pavertete tjeter. Hitleri nuk i ka krahasuar greket dhe >shqiptaret me te tjeret. Ai i ka pare shqiptaret si ariane dhe greket si te >pastert per shkak te te kaluares se tyre antike dhe kultures. Eshte e >vertete se ideologjia e tij ka qene e cmendur, mirepo ai ka perfaqesuar >teorine e "racial purity" dhe kurre teorine e "ethnic cleansing". Kjo e dyta >eshte "zbuluar" nga perendimoret (rasti i Bohemise) dhe eshte zbatuar me te >madhe nga Stalini dhe ruset. > > >>Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that >>liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans would >>have NEVER made it without us! > >This is another lie. If the Allied ever did anything for Albanians until >last year, it was only pushing them deeper in their tragedy of the >obscuranty of the comunist system and national divide. The Allied looked by >for more than 50 years. Sometimes not acting can be blamed more than wrong >acting. It was these Allies who recognised the dicatatorial regimes in the >Balkans. Besides this, who's talking of understanding? Somebody who calls my >country ignorant and my people and me- idiots?!!! > > >All in all one can't say today that Albanians are racist. They don't hate >anybody. What they want is to be equal with the rest of the world. I can't >exclude cases where Albanian individuals might be racist, but this doesn't >justify the qualifacitaion of them as a racist nation. It was the Albanians >of Albania who rescued 100% of Jews during the WWII, although according to >the author of this piece of writing Hitler considered them "special". > >Albanians are interested in future, in good future and whoever helps them >will be honered respectively. From America to Australia. From Africa to >Asia. From the Northern Pole to the Southern Pole. > > >Uk Lushi >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From Ceops4 at aol.com Sat Apr 29 09:47:44 2000 From: Ceops4 at aol.com (Ceops4 at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 29 09:47:44 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Pershendetje nga amerika _San Diego Message-ID: Mire Mbrema juve ne Prishtine . Desha vetem te ju pershendes nga San Diego,ketu tani eshte 12:30 nate, jutani e filloni diten e re dhe une ju deshiroj qe te jete e sukseshme. Drita From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sat Apr 29 10:56:21 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sat Apr 29 10:56:21 2000 Subject: [[Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <001301bfb1fb$3a626da0$46aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> >mire eshte martese ndermjet trojeve (kosova/shqiper/maqedoni) qe me forcu hehehe. . . masi t'u trazoni me zezak ju kosovart s'bahet ma jo pune From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sat Apr 29 11:56:00 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sat Apr 29 11:56:00 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Blast rocks Hamburg disco Message-ID: <005701bfb203$9190dfa0$46aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> A spokesman for Hamburg police described the device as a Yugoslav-built fragmentation grenade. From jeton at hotmail.com Sat Apr 29 16:25:02 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Sat Apr 29 16:25:02 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]] Message-ID: <20000429202450.21811.qmail@hotmail.com> g.s. i see you lack the courage of your convictions. what, too many ***"'intellectuals'"*** picking on you? > >people are battling for the soul of Albanianism right now... > >hehehe,, its more like having fun, "battling for the soul of Albanianism" >is >that dramatic or what. hey, i wuz only havin' fun! (hehehehHWHWAHAHWHAHWHAHWHAHAHA!!!) >99.9% of the Albanians do not even think about this because it doesnt exist >(including me), but you could probably prepare a poll or something asking >them >"How would you feel if 400,000 gypsies came here from Romania and started >marrying Albanian girls". I think you would be in for the shock of your >life. > thanks,g-thang, but i'm well aware that gypsies are as traditional a scapegoat to albanians as albanians are to slavs, but as far as your little scenario goes, well, under exactly what circumstances did these 400k roma turn up? was some gigantic rape-hoard (organized in Romania) marching across the Ibar? or was some new climate in place that encouraged them to come to an independent Kosova run by Albanians? gee,g-thang, i guess these factors might affect the hypothesis. > >Who ever gave you the notion that the Albanians were fighting for a >multi-cultural society during the war ? (I read it in one of your posts) > never actually said it, but it's well worth noting that MOST ALBANIANS I'VE EVER SPOKEN TO, AND ***EVERY*** ALBANIAN I'VE SPOKEN WITH IN UCK, SOUGHT AND FOUGHT FOR A FREE KOSOVA WITH ALBANIANS IN CONTROL. NOBODY CREDIBLE SEEKS A MONO-ETHNIC vOlK STATE, SO IF ANY CREDIBILITY GOES TO YOUR CLAIM OF INCOMPATIBILITY BETWEEN ALBANIANS AND A MULTI-ETHNIC STATE, THE QUESTION IS ACTUALLY, HOW MULTI-ETHNIC? WHAT'S THE DEMOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN, BY PERCENTILE? I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE KOSOVA'S HOSTILE CLIMATE IS DUE LARGELY TO INSECURITY ABOUT IT'S FUTURE, SO CLAIMS OF AN ESPECIALLY MONO-ETHNIC CULTURE AMONG ALBANIANS ARE PREMATURE, AT BEST. WAIT FOR THE EFFECTS OF MILLENIA OF OCCUPATION TO WEAR OFF, AND THEN REVISIT THE QUESTION. but g-thang, back to the gay thing. what, pray tell, is your problem exactly? jeton ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From puka at usa.net Sat Apr 29 16:42:36 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sat Apr 29 16:42:36 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <20000429204231.25131.qmail@nwcst313.netaddress.usa.net> >i see you lack the courage of your convictions. what, too many >***"'intellectuals'"*** picking on you? I could go on for ever, but whats the point, we all know each others stand on this issue. And the best thing about it is that the issue does not exist at all, so I think that this topic is over.. Later Ali G. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk Sat Apr 29 16:42:45 2000 From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia) Date: Sat Apr 29 16:42:45 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks References: <200004290039.AA71828004@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <003f01bfb21b$8bf343e0$47c428c3@pbncomputer> Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje shtaze parahistorike se bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi ketu me na nervozu palidhje. >This >is evidenced by the way they've handled the >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These >idiots have never known that in unity, there is >strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest >of the world, but divided as they are, they both will >fall and ultimately be destroyed. 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta krijuar kete "unity" shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane masakruar familjet, jane ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar Yugoslavia ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren pjese ne shkaterrimin e burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin me na thane idiota ) 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare shkite kane bere ne familjet tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: in order to be created this "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, Albanian families masackred, they were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was split , and all the time during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian knife under their throats (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs criticising why Albanians took part in destroying their prison, plus you dare call us "idiots" because we did that) 3. if I come at your home and do to your family what that beast nation did to our ones what would you do or say, you filthy... ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe e ka shkru kete masi qe e ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te racizmit e gjenocidit po tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet poshteruese "nigger e gorilla" po perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo prej atyne ne Kosove. > > Dardani > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me autorin, prape se prape po shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Xxxxx Xxxx > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND Serbs > continue with their savage and auto-destructive racism > against one another. This is a racism and hate against > each other that has gone on for more than a thousand > years. > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women and > children who have to sustain the atrocities and die > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others as > scapegoats and victimize those around them. > Shame on these fools who now want to expand their > racism to a man and woman who simply love each other > and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. So > what if she is white and he is black. There is more > strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding of > the human races. > This is why we here in the United States are finally > learning that the reason we are the mightiest and > greatest country in the world, is because we are > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people and > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But I > wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent > enough to learn this valuable lesson. > The longer you keep on destroying one another, the > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH of > you equally, will take you over and rip what's left of > your meager lands into further oblivion. > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This > is evidenced by the way they've handled the > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > idiots have never known that in unity, there is > strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest > of the world, but divided as they are, they both will > fall and ultimately be destroyed. > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of "Ethnic > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you that > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people to > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used the > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of world > domination. > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans would > have NEVER made it without us! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sat Apr 29 17:08:00 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sat Apr 29 17:08:00 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <008f01bfb22f$1ffc51e0$46aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This is worse than what is expected from an intro-to-biology student; go and check your biology_101 textbook; From sylo at online.no Sat Apr 29 19:35:57 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Sat Apr 29 19:35:57 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Cool down ! References: <200004290039.AA71828004@prishtina.com> <003f01bfb21b$8bf343e0$47c428c3@pbncomputer> Message-ID: <001201bfb233$7bcbe720$de5d4382@sylo> Cool down you people! Using term of abuse doesn't make any sense ----- Original Message ----- From: rdelia To: ; Sent: 29. april 2000 22:43 Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje shtaze parahistorike se > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi ketu me na nervozu > palidhje. > > >This > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is > >strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest > >of the world, but divided as they are, they both will > >fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta krijuar kete "unity" > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane masakruar familjet, jane > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar Yugoslavia > > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren pjese ne shkaterrimin e > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin me na thane idiota ) > > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare shkite kane bere ne familjet > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote > > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: in order to be created this > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, Albanian families masackred, they > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was split , and all the time > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian knife under their throats > > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs criticising why Albanians > took part in destroying their prison, plus you dare call us "idiots" because > we did that) > > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family what that beast nation did > to our ones what would you do or say, you filthy... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dardan Blaku > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe e ka shkru kete masi qe e > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te racizmit e gjenocidit po > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet poshteruese "nigger e gorilla" po > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo prej atyne ne Kosove. > > > > Dardani > > > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me autorin, prape se prape po > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. > > > > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND Serbs > > continue with their savage and auto-destructive racism > > against one another. This is a racism and hate against > > each other that has gone on for more than a thousand > > years. > > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women and > > children who have to sustain the atrocities and die > > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own > > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others as > > scapegoats and victimize those around them. > > Shame on these fools who now want to expand their > > racism to a man and woman who simply love each other > > and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. So > > what if she is white and he is black. There is more > > strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding of > > the human races. > > This is why we here in the United States are finally > > learning that the reason we are the mightiest and > > greatest country in the world, is because we are > > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people and > > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and > > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But I > > wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent > > enough to learn this valuable lesson. > > The longer you keep on destroying one another, the > > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH of > > you equally, will take you over and rip what's left of > > your meager lands into further oblivion. > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. This > > is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country > > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > strength. United, they can stand proud before the rest > > of the world, but divided as they are, they both will > > fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of "Ethnic > > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you that > > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people to > > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and > > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used the > > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of world > > domination. > > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that > > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans would > > have NEVER made it without us! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From fisnike at hotmail.com Sat Apr 29 21:29:38 2000 From: fisnike at hotmail.com (Venera Bekteshi) Date: Sat Apr 29 21:29:38 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Koment i shkurte mbi letren Message-ID: <20000430012927.22310.qmail@hotmail.com> Po normal qe do te kemi reakcione te tilla. Pas te gjitha dikush nga ketu i quajti zezaket gorrilla, me sa me kujtohet mua! This is in deed a very offensive term, and this letter is a sign that people have feelings and that these feeligns were hurt. As a result, the letter of the author was written in a hurry, and it certainly contains the few errors of different nature that people pointed out. Regardless, it manages to very well make the point: Do into others as you want them done to you! Sincerely, Venera ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sylo Taraku" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com To: , Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Cool down ! Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:34:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [205.216.244.65] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBAD4BCE00006D820F3B9CDD8F441A2740; Sat Apr 29 16:36:04 2000 Received: from alb-net.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3TNZw920410;Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail44.fg.online.no (mail44-s.fg.online.no [148.122.161.44])by alb-net.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e3TNZt920387for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sylo (ti11a62-0094.dialup.online.no [130.67.93.222])by mail44.fg.online.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA03991;Sun, 30 Apr 2000 01:34:44 +0200 (MET DST) From bressta at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 03:26:27 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Sun Apr 30 03:26:27 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Koment i shkurte mbi letren References: <20000430012927.22310.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <002101bfb275$6c45e160$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Venera Bekteshi mes tjerash shkruejti: > As a result, the letter of the author was written in a hurry, and it > certainly contains the few errors of different nature that people pointed > out. Regardless, it manages to very well make the point: > Do into others as you want them done to you! Po tingllon bukur, mirepo mbas gjith ketij hashameti fitova pershtypjen qi ksajde kish koxha shum Sado-Masochista. Prandej nuk kisha pase fort bese qi bahet mire, nese ata jau bajne tjerve ate pune, qi kishin pase qef qi tjeret me jau ba atyne. bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From george33030 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 13:30:21 2000 From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza) Date: Sun Apr 30 13:30:21 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <20000430173009.18110.qmail@web4501.mail.yahoo.com> Dear G.S. Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for MY country, the United States of America, we are FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness of our American nation. --George it --- "G.S" wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > My last race based post in response to your english > based lecture to us > "savage" balkan people, and this is to finish it off > with my thoughts that are > so clearly stated in this article. It will be hard > for people in Nowray and > Finland to understand it since there are no large > scale minorities there, but > it surely applies to the guys in the US. I WILL NOT > RESPOND TO ANY MORE RACIAL > POSTINGS SINCE OUR POSITIONS ARE SO POLARIZED, ALL I > HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I > DONT WANT KOSOVA TO BECOME LIKE THE US IS IN THE > RACIAL ASPECT. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > by Thomas Jackson > > There is surely no nation in the world that holds > "racism" in greater horror > than does the United States. Compared to other kinds > of offenses, it is > thought to be somehow more reprehensible. The press > and public have become so > used to tales of murder, rape, robbery, and arson, > that any but the most > spectacular crimes are shrugged off as part of the > inevitable texture of > American life. "Racism" is never shrugged off. For > example, when a White > Georgetown Law School student reported earlier this > year that black students > are not as qualified as White students, it set off a > booming, national > controversy about "racism." If the student had > merely murdered someone he > would have attracted far less attention and > criticism. > > Racism is, indeed, the national obsession. > Universities are on full alert for > it, newspapers and politicians denounce it, churches > preach against it, > America is said to be racked with it, but just what > is racism? > > Dictionaries are not much help in understanding what > is meant by the word. > They usually define it as the belief that one's own > ethnic stock is superior > to others, or as the belief that culture and > behavior are rooted in race. When > Americans speak of racism they mean a great deal > more than this. Nevertheless, > the dictionary definition of racism is a clue to > understanding what Americans > do mean. A peculiarly American meaning derives from > the current dogma that all > ethnic stocks are equal. Despite clear evidence to > the contrary, all races > have been declared to be equally talented and hard- > working, and anyone who > questions the dogma is thought to be not merely > wrong but evil. > > The dogma has logical consequences that are > profoundly important. If blacks, > for example, are equal to Whites in every way, what > accounts for their > poverty, criminality, and dissipation? Since any > theory of racial differences > has been outlawed, the only possible explanation for > black failure is White > racism. And since blacks are markedly poor, > crime-prone, and dissipated, > America must be racked with pervasive racism. > Nothing else could be keeping > them in such an abject state. > > All public discourse on race today is locked into > this rigid logic. Any > explanation for black failure that does not depend > on White wickedness > threatens to veer off into the forbidden territory > of racial differences. > Thus, even if today's Whites can find in their > hearts no desire to oppress > blacks, yesterday's Whites must have oppressed them. > If Whites do not > consciously oppress blacks, they must oppress them > Unconsciously. If no > obviously racist individuals can be identified, then > societal institutions > must be racist. Or, since blacks are failing so > terribly in America, there > simply must be millions of White people we do not > know about, who are working > day and night to keep blacks in misery. The dogma of > racial equality leaves no > room for an explanation of black failure that is > not, in some fashion, an > indictment of White people. > > The logical consequences of this are clear. Since we > are required to believe > that the only explanation for non-White failure is > White racism, every time a > non-White is poor, commits a crime, goes on welfare, > or takes drugs, White > society stands accused of yet another act of racism. > All failure or > misbehavior by non-Whites is standing proof that > White society is riddled with > hatred and bigotry. For precisely so long as > non-Whites fail to succeed in > life at exactly the same level as Whites, Whites > will be, by definition, > thwarting and oppressing them. This obligatory > pattern of thinking leads to > strange conclusions. First of all, racism is a sin > that is thought to be > committed almost exclusively by White people. > Indeed, a black congressman from > Chicago, Gus Savage, and Coleman Young, the black > mayor of Detroit, have > argued that only White people can be racist. > Likewise, in 1987, the > affirmative action officer of the State Insurance > Fund of New York issued a > company pamphlet in which she explained that all > Whites are racist and that > only Whites can be racist. How else could the plight > of blacks be explained > without flirting with the possibility of racial > inequality? > > Although some blacks and liberal Whites concede that > non-Whites can, perhaps, > be racist, they invariably add that non-Whites have > been forced into it as > self-defense because of centuries of White > oppression. What appears to be > non-White racism is so understandable and forgivable > that it hardly deserves > the name. Thus, whether or not an act is called > racism depends on the race of > the racist. What would surely be called racism when > done by Whites is thought > to be normal when done by anyone else. The reverse > is also true. > > Examples of this sort of double standard are so > common, it is almost tedious > to list them: When a White man kills a black man and > uses the word "nigger" > while doing so, there is an enormous media uproar > and the nation beats its > collective breast; when members of the black Yahweh > cult carry out ritual > murders of random Whites, the media are silent (see > AR of March, 1991). > College campuses forbid pejorative statements about > non-Whites as "racist," > but ignore scurrilous attacks on Whites. > > At election time, if 60 percent of the White voters > vote for a White > candidate, and 95 percent of the black voters vote > for the black opponent, it > is Whites who are accused of racial bias. There are > 107 "historically black" > colleges, whose fundamental blackness must be > preserved in the name of > diversity, but all historically White colleges must > be forcibly integrated in > the name of... the same thing. To resist would be > racist. > > "Black pride" is said to be a wonderful and worthy > thing, but anything that > could be construed as an expression of White pride > is a form of hatred. It is > perfectly natural for third-world immigrants to > expect school instruction and > driver's tests in their own languages, whereas for > native Americans to ask > them to learn English is racist. > > Blatant anti-White prejudice, in the form of > affirmative action, is now the > law of the land. Anything remotely like affirmative > action, if practiced in > favor of Whites, would be attacked as despicable > favoritism. > > All across the country, black, Hispanic, and Asian > clubs and caucuses are > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From george33030 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 13:39:20 2000 From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza) Date: Sun Apr 30 13:39:20 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <20000430173905.5610.qmail@web4503.mail.yahoo.com> Dear G.S. Apparently, you've chosen to "end the topic" (as you put it) because IT IS YOU who lacks the courage to engage in a REAL debate with someone far more intellectually superior to your Balkan mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic purity" I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove it. Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH! --George --- "G.S" wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > >i see you lack the courage of your convictions. > what, too many > >***"'intellectuals'"*** picking on you? > > I could go on for ever, but whats the point, we all > know each others stand on > this issue. And the best thing about it is that the > issue does not exist at > all, so I think that this topic is over.. > > Later Ali G. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at > http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From george33030 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 14:02:07 2000 From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza) Date: Sun Apr 30 14:02:07 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <20000430180200.7206.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Delia, I see I've got your attention and I've got you cooking like Chicken Gumbo! Did I hit a nerve because I've exposed your neanderthal-style of thinking that is currently being emitted from that fekal miniscule of matter that you dare to call a "brain"? What's the matter - did you fall asleep during American History class?? For your information, there have been many incidents of American non-Hispanic Whites, Afro-Americans, Hispanic, Asians, etc. who have committed similar atrocities against one another. HOWEVER because in spite of these facts and incidents we ALL firmly believe in our motto: E Pluribus Unum and also: United We Stand, Divided We Fall, we come together and kick the enemy's ass because (if you look around in Kosovo and other places where our mighty military forces are found) you will see that our forces are comprised of every American ethnic group which makes our most powerful nation the greatest in the world. --George --- rdelia wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje > shtaze parahistorike se > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi > ketu me na nervozu > palidhje. > > >This > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a country > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is > >strength. United, they can stand proud before the > rest > >of the world, but divided as they are, they both > will > >fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta > krijuar kete "unity" > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane > masakruar familjet, jane > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan > dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar Yugoslavia > > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren > pjese ne shkaterrimin e > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin me na > thane idiota ) > > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare shkite > kane bere ne familjet > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote > > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: in > order to be created this > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, Albanian > families masackred, they > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was > split , and all the time > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian knife > under their throats > > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs > criticising why Albanians > took part in destroying their prison, plus you dare > call us "idiots" because > we did that) > > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family what > that beast nation did > to our ones what would you do or say, you filthy... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dardan Blaku > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe e > ka shkru kete masi qe e > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te > racizmit e gjenocidit po > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? > kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet poshteruese > "nigger e gorilla" po > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo > prej atyne ne Kosove. > > > > Dardani > > > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me > autorin, prape se prape po > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. > > > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND > Serbs > > continue with their savage and auto-destructive > racism > > against one another. This is a racism and hate > against > > each other that has gone on for more than a > thousand > > years. > > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women > and > > children who have to sustain the atrocities and > die > > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own > > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use others > as > > scapegoats and victimize those around them. > > Shame on these fools who now want to expand their > > racism to a man and woman who simply love each > other > > and should be left alone to enjoy their own life. > So > > what if she is white and he is black. There is > more > > strength in diversity than there is in in-breeding > of > > the human races. > > This is why we here in the United States are > finally > > learning that the reason we are the mightiest and > > greatest country in the world, is because we are > > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people > and > > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and > > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. But > I > > wonder if the people of the Balkans are intlligent > > enough to learn this valuable lesson. > > The longer you keep on destroying one another, the > > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate BOTH > of > > you equally, will take you over and rip what's > left of > > your meager lands into further oblivion. > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs > Syndrome" > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of > those > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as > though > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. > This > > is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a > country > > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > strength. United, they can stand proud before the > rest > > of the world, but divided as they are, they both > will > > fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of > "Ethnic > > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind you > that > > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan people > to > > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks and > > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used > the > > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of > world > > domination. > > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that > > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans > would > > have NEVER made it without us! > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts > with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From george33030 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 14:10:39 2000 From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza) Date: Sun Apr 30 14:10:39 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Cool down ! Message-ID: <20000430181032.8450.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sylo, You are ABSOLUTELY right. Howver, sometimes, in order to catch the attention of someone or make them understand, it becomes necessary to speak to them in a language only THEY can understand. --George --- Sylo Taraku wrote: > > > Cool down you people! Using term of abuse doesn't > make any sense > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rdelia > To: ; > > Sent: 29. april 2000 22:43 > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje > shtaze parahistorike se > > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi > ketu me na nervozu > > palidhje. > > > > >This > > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a > country > > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > >strength. United, they can stand proud before the > rest > > >of the world, but divided as they are, they both > will > > >fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > > > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli > > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta > krijuar kete "unity" > > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane > masakruar familjet, jane > > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan > dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken > > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar > Yugoslavia > > > > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren > pjese ne shkaterrimin e > > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin me na > thane idiota ) > > > > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare > shkite kane bere ne familjet > > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote > > > > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother > > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: in > order to be created this > > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, > Albanian families masackred, they > > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was > split , and all the time > > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia > > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian > knife under their throats > > > > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs > criticising why Albanians > > took part in destroying their prison, plus you > dare call us "idiots" because > > we did that) > > > > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family > what that beast nation did > > to our ones what would you do or say, you > filthy... > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Dardan Blaku > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > > > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe > e ka shkru kete masi qe e > > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te > racizmit e gjenocidit po > > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? > kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe > > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet > poshteruese "nigger e gorilla" po > > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo > prej atyne ne Kosove. > > > > > > Dardani > > > > > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me > autorin, prape se prape po > > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx > > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > > > > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND > Serbs > > > continue with their savage and auto-destructive > racism > > > against one another. This is a racism and hate > against > > > each other that has gone on for more than a > thousand > > > years. > > > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women > and > > > children who have to sustain the atrocities and > die > > > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own > > > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use > others as > > > scapegoats and victimize those around them. > > > Shame on these fools who now want to expand > their > > > racism to a man and woman who simply love each > other > > > and should be left alone to enjoy their own > life. So > > > what if she is white and he is black. There is > more > > > strength in diversity than there is in > in-breeding of > > > the human races. > > > This is why we here in the United States are > finally > > > learning that the reason we are the mightiest > and > > > greatest country in the world, is because we are > > > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people > and > > > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and > > > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. > But I > > > wonder if the people of the Balkans are > intlligent > > > enough to learn this valuable lesson. > > > The longer you keep on destroying one another, > the > > > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate > BOTH of > > > you equally, will take you over and rip what's > left of > > > your meager lands into further oblivion. > > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs > Syndrome" > > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of > those > > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as > though > > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. > This > > > is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a > country > > > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > > idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > > strength. United, they can stand proud before > the rest > > > of the world, but divided as they are, they both > will > > > fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of > "Ethnic > > > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind > you that > > > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan > people to > > > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks > and > > > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used > the > > > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of > world > > > domination. > > > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that > > > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans > would > > > have NEVER made it without us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts > with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sun Apr 30 14:19:01 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sun Apr 30 14:19:01 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <001801bfb2e0$b594a7a0$53aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> >mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic purity" >I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN >convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND >historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove it. >Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH! see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; the japanese have a higher standard of living, have longer life-spans, and the list goes on and on; the japanese are probably the most homogenous nation there is; they did not need diversity to achieve all that; they do not need to get europeans, africans, latinos, in order to be a great nation; quit the rambling about the advantages of diversity; there are no advantages unless you are one the so called "minorities"; if you are a "minority," then yes, diversity is very good for you, no question about it; From dardan at prishtina.com Sun Apr 30 14:25:44 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sun Apr 30 14:25:44 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <200004301430.AA156237888@prishtina.com> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip) =) Dardani ___________________________________________________________________ For you that are writing in English, another list exists (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. This list is for Albanian language only. Dardan Prishtina-l Listowner From bressta at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 14:47:37 2000 From: bressta at yahoo.com (Shkumbin Brestovci) Date: Sun Apr 30 14:47:37 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] References: <200004301430.AA156237888@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <003701bfb2d4$96dadd40$e24811d4@telekabel.at> Dardan Blaku shkruejti: > Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip) =) > > Dardani pse bre? bash kur ia nisi me u ba shyhret... bresta __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From ramis39 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 15:20:03 2000 From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj) Date: Sun Apr 30 15:20:03 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] Cool down ! Message-ID: <20000430191952.33300.qmail@hotmail.com> Dear George, I absolutely have no idea who are you or what are you and it makes no difference. However, I am very surprised that someone who claims to have such a high level of intellect and posseses "evidence", makes the type of silly comments that you have done in this list. First George, it took the U.S about 150 years to formally recognize the civil rights of all of its citizens. One the other hand the people themselves have not totally accepted the notion of equality yet. Just look at our armed forces, count the number of officers who are of "minority" groups and compare it, relatively, to the number of "minority" soldiers in the military. Or,I don't know where you live, but go to one of the big cities and ask a cab driver to take you to the worst part of town, the place where drugs, crime, aids, are rampant. You know what are you going to find? Not to many caucasians, I bet. See, I know it takes time for this kind of things to be fixed, and when some people try apply rational resons for this inequality, we tend to call them racist. It is just what we did to G.S.! I firmly believe, that we are not ready to live with the Serbs anymore, for now. It would be foolish for me to say that things will not change in the next 50 years. I also believe that Albanians, as a nation with its own distinct culture, language, tradition, must develop their own socety to the point where assimilation to a larger (global) society, whould be beneficial to the Albanians and the larger society as well. You know others tried to asimilate Albanians in Yugoslav society. For a long time we were not known as Albanians abroad, but as Yugoslavs. We all know what happened to the Yugoslav society. This rush to cultural globalizations, can go very bad if not carefully approached. Ramis Ahmetaj >From: George Garza >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] Cool down ! >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:10:32 -0700 (PDT) > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Dear Sylo, >You are ABSOLUTELY right. Howver, sometimes, in order >to catch the attention of someone or make them >understand, it becomes necessary to speak to them in a >language only THEY can understand. >--George > >--- Sylo Taraku wrote: > > > > > > Cool down you people! Using term of abuse doesn't > > make any sense > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: rdelia > > To: ; > > > > Sent: 29. april 2000 22:43 > > Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > > Autori jo vetem qe e ka pase gabim porse qenka nje > > shtaze parahistorike se > > > bashku me qata qe na e paska qit atefare shkrimi > > ketu me na nervozu > > > palidhje. > > > > > > >This > > > >is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > > >disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a > > country > > > >destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > > >idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > > >strength. United, they can stand proud before the > > rest > > > >of the world, but divided as they are, they both > > will > > > >fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > > > > > 1. idoit osht nana e autorit te atij artikulli > > > 2.per "unity" ne mes shqiptareve e shkive: per ta > > krijuar kete "unity" > > > shqiptareve iu kane kallur shtepiat, iu kane > > masakruar familjet, jane > > > ndjekur jashta Kosoves, ia kane coptuar atedheuan > > dhe ia kane mbajtur thiken > > > ne fyt gjate ghithe kohes sa ka ekzistuar > > Yugoslavia > > > > > > ( e kjo nana e vete vajtojka pse shqiptaret moren > > pjese ne shkaterrimin e > > > burgut te tyre, plus edhe merrka guximin me na > > thane idiota ) > > > > > > 3. nese une vi e bej ne familjen tende cfare > > shkite kane bere ne familjet > > > tona cka kishe me bane a thane ti oj nana jote > > > > > > 1. an idiot is that article author`s mother > > > 2. on "unity" of Albanians and fucking Serbs: in > > order to be created this > > > "unity" there were burned Albanian houses, > > Albanian families masackred, they > > > were deported out of Kosova, their Homeland was > > split , and all the time > > > during the whole exsistance of the Yugoslavia > > > they (Albanians) were living with the Serbian > > knife under their throats > > > > > > (and you mother fucker dare sing nostalgic songs > > criticising why Albanians > > > took part in destroying their prison, plus you > > dare call us "idiots" because > > > we did that) > > > > > > 3. if I come at your home and do to your family > > what that beast nation did > > > to our ones what would you do or say, you > > filthy... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Dardan Blaku > > > To: > > > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 5:39 AM > > > Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks > > > > > > > > > > Ni shkrim shume interesant. Autori nuk ka faj qe > > e ka shkru kete masi qe e > > > ka pa se na, deri para disa mujve viktima te > > racizmit e gjenocidit po > > > tregohemi aq racist e narcisoid ... kunder kujna? > > kunder zezakeve!?! Edhe > > > eshte interesant se komentet edhe fjalet > > poshteruese "nigger e gorilla" po > > > perdoren prej atyne qe jetojne jashte Kosoves, jo > > prej atyne ne Kosove. > > > > > > > > Dardani > > > > > > > > P.S. Edhe pse nuk pajtohem per disa gjana me > > autorin, prape se prape po > > > shihet ndikimi i diskutimeve ne liste. > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Original Message > > ---------------------------------- > > > > From: Xxxxx Xxxx > > > > Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:07:32 -0700 (PDT) > > > > To: prishtina-l-admin at alb-net.com > > > > > > > > It's disgusting to see that BOTH Albanians AND > > Serbs > > > > continue with their savage and auto-destructive > > racism > > > > against one another. This is a racism and hate > > against > > > > each other that has gone on for more than a > > thousand > > > > years. > > > > No one suffers more than the innocent men, women > > and > > > > children who have to sustain the atrocities and > > die > > > > because of ignorant fools who, due to their own > > > > feelings of inferiority and inadequacy, use > > others as > > > > scapegoats and victimize those around them. > > > > Shame on these fools who now want to expand > > their > > > > racism to a man and woman who simply love each > > other > > > > and should be left alone to enjoy their own > > life. So > > > > what if she is white and he is black. There is > > more > > > > strength in diversity than there is in > > in-breeding of > > > > the human races. > > > > This is why we here in the United States are > > finally > > > > learning that the reason we are the mightiest > > and > > > > greatest country in the world, is because we are > > > > indeed a diverse nation comprised of MANY people > > and > > > > the old "Balkan-style" racism between whites and > > > > blacks only served to divide us and weaken us. > > But I > > > > wonder if the people of the Balkans are > > intlligent > > > > enough to learn this valuable lesson. > > > > The longer you keep on destroying one another, > > the > > > > easier it will be for the enemies, which hate > > BOTH of > > > > you equally, will take you over and rip what's > > left of > > > > your meager lands into further oblivion. > > > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs > > Syndrome" > > > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of > > those > > > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as > > though > > > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. > > This > > > > is evidenced by the way they've handled the > > > > disintergration of the former Yugoslavia, a > > country > > > > destroyed by BOTH the Slavs and Albanians. These > > > > idiots have never known that in unity, there is > > > > strength. United, they can stand proud before > > the rest > > > > of the world, but divided as they are, they both > > will > > > > fall and ultimately be destroyed. > > > > To those who believe in the Hitlerian form of > > "Ethnic > > > > Cleansing" and "Racial Purity", let me remind > > you that > > > > Hitler himself considered ALL of the Balkan > > people to > > > > be of inferior stock (Slavs, Albanians, Greeks > > and > > > > Turks). During World War II, the Nazis only used > > the > > > > Albanians as pawns to forward their own goals of > > world > > > > domination. > > > > Have you forgotten it was our Allied might that > > > > liberated your ignorant country?? Your Partisans > > would > > > > have NEVER made it without us! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Talk to your friends online and get email alerts > > with Yahoo! Messenger. > > > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > > > >=== message truncated === > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From sylo at online.no Sun Apr 30 18:16:14 2000 From: sylo at online.no (Sylo Taraku) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:16:14 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ??? References: <200004301430.AA156237888@prishtina.com> Message-ID: <004c01bfb2f1$aa1aaa80$ce5c4382@sylo> Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une. Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare teme te diskutohet ketu. Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj "This list is for Albanian language only" e konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze. Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni qendrimin tuaj. Perzemersisht: Sylo ----- Original Message ----- From: Dardan Blaku To: Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30 Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip) =) > > Dardani > > ___________________________________________________________________ > For you that are writing in English, another list exists > (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. This list is for Albanian language only. > > Dardan > Prishtina-l Listowner > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sun Apr 30 18:26:17 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:26:17 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ??? Message-ID: <000701bfb303$3f90ef00$b7aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> >Diskutusit joshqipfoles kjo eshte lista tjeter, krijuar posa??risht per ata qe duan te diskutojne ne anglisht; http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:33:05 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:33:05 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223303.24415.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:33:23 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:33:23 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223320.24762.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. As for the US I do not know, but one thing I am sure about is that if the US was 90% Black it would be a third world garbage dump, and none of us would be here. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:33:29 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:33:29 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223326.26755.qmail@nwcst323.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:33:33 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:33:33 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223330.24778.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:33:37 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:33:37 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223323.24445.qmail@nwcst320.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. As for the US I do not know, but one thing I am sure about is that if the US was 90% Black it would be a third world garbage dump, and none of us would be here. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 18:34:30 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 18:34:30 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430223424.28637.qmail@nwcst285.netaddress.usa.net> >Based on your response, it sounds to me that you ARE >in agreement WITH racial intergration and ethnic >diversity around the world, WHEREVER it may be. As for >MY country, the United States of America, we are >FINALLY learning that racial/ethnic segregation and >discrimination only serves to undermine the greatness >of our American nation. Dear George, I can only give you my thoughts on my country, and I would never want racial integration there, maybe ethnic diversity, but no racial diversity, and no inter-racial marriage for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 19:04:51 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 19:04:51 2000 Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks] Message-ID: <20000430230449.27333.qmail@nw128.netaddress.usa.net> Whats up with you and "diversity" ? Iceland is the least diverse nation on earth and its one of the most advanced, it's people are the most educated on earth and it has one of the highest standards on the planet. The same goes for Japan. How can someone from China come here with no english, no money, no US citizenship and manage to go to school, make money etc, whereas Black people have been here for 400 years and can not do anything except whine and expect that all the other races own them something ? And all that they do is try to make America conform to them instead of them becoming Americans ? Would America be better of if it was 90% black ? Now you have good and productive individuals here and there, but as a group they are disastrous. Tell me exactly what great contribution are they giving to the USA ? Music & sports ? Is it more important to send a man to the moon or dunk a basketball ? Tell me of this great prosperity that the US has from Blacks ? The US became a superpower during WW2 when it was 90% white and when blacks were asked nothing, how did this Racist 1940 USA become the strongest superpower in history ? No thank you I do not need ghettos, Harlems, gangstas, welfare queens and jerry springer in a future Kosova. >I see I've got your attention and I've got you cooking >like Chicken Gumbo! Did I hit a nerve because I've >exposed your neanderthal-style of thinking that is >currently being emitted from that fekal miniscule of >matter that you dare to call a "brain"? ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From burimh at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 19:25:25 2000 From: burimh at hotmail.com (Burim Hana) Date: Sun Apr 30 19:25:25 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <20000430232518.94255.qmail@hotmail.com> >see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; ... Yes, but see China, so your point does not stand. Try again. >From: "Albi Qeli" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e >martume ne nigger.]]]]] >Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:14:36 -0700 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >mongoloid/outdated philosophies about "ethnic purity" > >I do not only HAVE the courage of my AMERICAN > >convictions, I have plenty of knowledge AND > >historical/socio-anthropological evidence to prove it. > >Dear boy, you've MORE THAN MET YOUR MATCH! > > >see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; the >japanese have a higher standard of living, have longer life-spans, and the >list goes on and on; the japanese are probably the most homogenous nation >there is; they did not need diversity to achieve all that; they do not need >to get europeans, africans, latinos, in order to be a great nation; > >quit the rambling about the advantages of diversity; there are no >advantages >unless you are one the so called "minorities"; if you are a "minority," >then >yes, diversity is very good for you, no question about it; > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sun Apr 30 19:46:41 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sun Apr 30 19:46:41 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume nenigger.]]]]] Message-ID: <003101bfb30e$7aa968a0$b7aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> >>see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; ... > >Yes, but see China, so your point does not stand. Try again. What do you mean? Exactly how does my point not stand? Why is China even mentioned above? I said that a nation does not have to import all the races of the world in order to do well. I mentioned a rich and most advanced monoethnic nation (Japan) as an example. I wrote in response to that biology freshman who stated -- rather naively -- that interracial mixing has improved the genetic stock of the USA (and that's why USA is the greatest nation of all). From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 20:21:38 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:21:38 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume nenigger.]]]]]] Message-ID: <20000501002136.4086.qmail@nwcst286.netaddress.usa.net> >I wrote in response to that biology freshman who stated -- rather >naively --that interracial mixing has improved the genetic stock of the >USA (andthat's why USA is the greatest nation of all). The USA become the greatest nation during WW2, when it was a racist,90% white country, and the other 10% minority was not asked anything. According to George that should have been impossible. Not that I beleive in racism, but I do beleive in homogenety. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From mehollim at hotmail.com Sun Apr 30 20:27:35 2000 From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:27:35 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <20000501002715.15108.qmail@hotmail.com> Good response Albi, In-breeding, George, produces down syndrome only if immediate family members are involved (i.e siblings), which is definitely not the case with us Albanians. It seems like you exaggerated a little bit. I agree with some of your comments against racism, however, you have to understand where we are coming from. It seems like you have a wrong picture; If interested you should read Noel Malcolm's book on the history of Kosova. :o) Mimoza >From: "Albi Qeli" >Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: Re: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks >Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:03:24 -0700 > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > > > In-breeding only produces people with 'Downs Syndrome" > > (Mongoloids) Perhaps that explains why many of those > > in the Balkans are already beginning to look as though > > they may have the first signs of Downs Syndrom. > >This is worse than what is expected from an intro-to-biology student; go >and >check your biology_101 textbook; > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From dardan at prishtina.com Sun Apr 30 20:34:30 2000 From: dardan at prishtina.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:34:30 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ??? Message-ID: <200004302039.AA525160@prishtina.com> Zoti Taraku, Ndrrimi i temes menova qi kish me qene menyra ma e lehte me i nale te shamet e ofendimet. Mujme me vazhdu me kete teme nuk ka problem po jom kah frikohna se po vritet kush e masnej po ma lane fajin mu =). Dardani ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Sylo Taraku" Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:15:34 +0200 > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une. > >Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare teme te diskutohet ketu. > >Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj "This list is for Albanian language only" e konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze. > >Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni qendrimin tuaj. > >Perzemersisht: >Sylo > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Dardan Blaku >To: >Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30 >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] > > >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- >> Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l >> >> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip) =) >> >> Dardani >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> For you that are writing in English, another list exists >> (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. This list is for Albanian language only. >> >> Dardan >> Prishtina-l Listowner >> >> _____________________________________________________ >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l >> >> > > >_____________________________________________________ >Prishtina-L discussion forum: Prishtina-L at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > From puka at usa.net Sun Apr 30 20:41:56 2000 From: puka at usa.net (G.S) Date: Sun Apr 30 20:41:56 2000 Subject: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]]] Message-ID: <20000501004154.29248.qmail@nwcst293.netaddress.usa.net> >>see Japan; they make better cars, better beer, even better condoms; ... >Yes, but see China, so your point does not stand. Try again. What we are saying is that homogenous countries can prosper to the point of being the best and strongest, we do not mean that being homogenous automatically makes you the best. Whereas George says diversity makes you really powerfull, in that case Brazil and Cuba should be superpowers too .. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sun Apr 30 21:25:05 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sun Apr 30 21:25:05 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] FWD: Racial remarks Message-ID: <005a01bfb31c$39d85bc0$b7aaf880@xyz.uic.edu> >In-breeding, George, produces down syndrome only if immediate family members >are involved (i.e siblings), which is definitely not the case with us >Albanians. It seems like you exaggerated a little bit. >I agree with some of your comments against racism, however, you have to >understand where we are coming from. It seems like you have a wrong >picture; If interested you should read Noel Malcolm's book on the history of >Kosova. Never mind George. He does not know what he is talking about. What he was confused with is probably the fact that intra-family marriages produce genetic diseases. This is certainly true, and that is the reason why marriages inside one's family are a no-no in most cultures (Albanians have to marry outside their big clans). Most diseases that are produced from inbreeding are recessive-mutation-type diseases, usually from the lack of one enzyme or another. Since each living human inherits a dozen or so deadly genes (some from the mother and some from the father), marrying closely related individuals increases the chances that the offspring will be born having both copies of a gene bad. (This is exactly why classic genetic diseases were described in Jews). Down's syndrome, for all that I know, is not related to in-breeding. It is the trisomy of chromosome 21, and its chances increase when the mother is older (the age of the mother is more than 40). Noone knows how to avoid it, and in-breeding is not an issue. From george33030 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 30 23:49:02 2000 From: george33030 at yahoo.com (George Garza) Date: Sun Apr 30 23:49:02 2000 Subject: [Prishtina-l] "Ta ndrrojna temen" PSE ??? Message-ID: <20000501034855.21317.qmail@web4505.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dardan Blaku wrote: > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > Zoti Taraku, > > > Ndrrimi i temes menova qi kish me qene menyra ma e > lehte me i nale te shamet e ofendimet. Mujme me > vazhdu me kete teme nuk ka problem po jom kah > frikohna se po vritet kush e masnej po ma lane fajin > mu =). > > Dardani > Dear Dardan, You are right about the uncalled for cursing. It is not necessary for me or anyone else in this forum to use foul language to get a point across. I aplogize for temporarily having let go of my control over my emotions after watching quietly and seeing the dialogue about interracial marriages, racism, ehnic strife, and so forth. However, as an American, I, like millions of others such as I, stand SOLIDLY behind our world quest for ethnic, religious and cultural tolerance, coexistence, ethnic and racial diversity among ALL human beings existing on this planet, especially in our own United States of America. The ethnically-based wars in the Balkans MUST END. We Americans are prepared to go to war against ANY abusers and oppressors of those they deem "inferior". "Why do you think we (Americans and our KFOR Allies) first drove out the Serbians out of Kosovo, then turned against those Albanians who started their vengeful atrocities against the Serbs? This is because we WILL NOT permit this type of foolishness FROM ANYONE. All we are concerned about is peace AND stability in the Balkans, and if we have to teach ALL AGGRESSORS a lesson in order to achieve peace, progress AND STABILITY in the the Balkans, then WE WILL DO SO. --PERIOD! --George > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: "Sylo Taraku" > Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com > Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 00:15:34 +0200 > > > --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > > > >Dardan, me vjen keq, qe pikerisht ju si > administrator i kesaj liste, po therrisni te > nderrohet tema (?!) Kjo eshte nje teme, qe siq po > shifet, ka angazhuar shume njerez dhe ketu po behet > nje diskutim sa agresiv aq edhe konstruktiv. Teme e > rendesishme per shoqerine tone, mendoi une. > > > >Sa e di une, kete liste e keni hapur ne menyre qe > njerezit te kene mundesi te shkembejne mendimet e > tyre TE NDRYSHME. Andaj mendoi se nuk eshte ne > rregull qe administratori te bej DIKTAT se qfare > teme te diskutohet ketu. > > > >Diskutusit joshqipfoles, po me duket kan > kontribuar, me nxerrjen e disa argumenteve dhe > prevojave, qe ne nuk i kemi, andaj verrejtjen tuaj > "This list is for Albanian language only" e > konsideroj si arrogante dhe te pabaze. > > > >Ndoshta kjo do te kontriboj qe ju ta rishqyrtoni > qendrimin tuaj. > > > >Perzemersisht: > >Sylo > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Dardan Blaku > >To: > >Sent: 30. april 2000 20:30 > >Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Prishtina-l] > Vajza shqiptare e martume ne nigger.]]]]] > > > > > >> --- Prishtina-L Discussion Forum --- > >> Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l > >> > >> Ta ndrrojna temen. Ai qe shan edhe ni here ka me > dale prej lishtes (shkurt e shqip) =) > >> > >> Dardani > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________________ > >> For you that are writing in English, another list > exists > >> (prishtina-e at alb-net.com) in english language. > This list is for Albanian language only. > >> > >> Dardan > >> Prishtina-l Listowner > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________ > >> Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >> > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > >> > >> > > > > > >_____________________________________________________ > >Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > > > > _____________________________________________________ > Prishtina-L discussion forum: > Prishtina-L at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-l > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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