[Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League

[zabeli at gmx.de]

nice story with your grand dad! only tom hanks and meg ryan are missing and
it could be a new "internet-film", though an "internet-thriller".

springhetti wrote:
> as far as for the
> existance of bars,held by native albanians In Pristina
> where slave prostitution is enforced and the only girl
> you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> situation in the region.It does not mean though this
> should be a "portret of an "albanian""

well the reason, that you picked up this protitution trading example(and
that suspicious raping story) is clear enough, what kind of portraits do
albanians in your head have. you're picking a "business" condemned by albanians
themselves, for than saying they're not like that. (according to you prishtina is
huge prostitute-markt, where all bars are dealing with womens. that's not
true: the trading is taking place above all in macedonia)

springhetti:
> Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> suffered in kosovo are not part of this conversation. 
> Forgive me if i am wrong.

well mister, I have also a weird feeling, that those who condemned suffering
in kosova wouldn't write such an evil minded text as your's is (one can read
even between the lines nothing else than hate and contemption.)

please save us from your analysis about kosova! I don't think somebody is
keen(!) on those kind of analysis'.



> Hallo,, Everyone 
> I would like to appologise here to everybody for the
> confusion and possible tackling with peoples suffer
> and feelings that had  emerged from my email lately to
> Pristina .net.com.
> The explanation is as follows:
> My grandfather, who is at respactable age has been
> using my email address (with my original permission).
> Since the last few emails he has sent around I have
> changed my password, and since he does not know much
> about internet , except how to get on and use my email
> address, he will not bother anyone anymore. Again,
> please accept my appologies on behalf of my
> grandfather, who has been troubled off and on by
> dimensia.
> Out of respect for my grandfather, I need to make
> knowledgable that his native language and Engish as
> well are very good on a regular basis, which may not
> be particularly obvious in his delirious writings. He
> fought War I and was tortured during his capture in
> World WAr II, spent years in the socialist camps,
> miraculously saved by a pig(he used the skin of the
> animal to escape)- later escaped through Yugoslavia in
> a very fantastic journey to reach Austria. He has the
> point that hatred will not help anybody.His point
> contains the view  that things like money and power
> can ruin  even the bravest people at the end. He's
> seen evil from many sides, and he once told me that
> men have to live in order to fight men's malice. Not
> to make a point ,but  only as a factual event I dare
> to mention here(not making it a point)that his
> grandaughter was raped by an albanian, but he also had
> a best friend, who was an albanian. as far as for the
> existance of bars,held by native albanians In Pristina
> where slave prostitution is enforced and the only girl
> you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> situation in the region.It does not mean though this
> should be a "portret of an "albanian"". Same with
> serbs.  One of the clubs is called the International
> Club, regularly visited by men all ages, including the
> troops stationed in the region.
>  
> As far as for me and what my belief is - a man will
> rape and kill- no matter albanian or serb. It depends
> on the individual's growth and consciusness. If  I
> could  relocate all men to a separate island and let
> them have wars between each other and leave the women
> in peace, I probably would do it. Women are the ones
> who carry it all. I wish the best to Kosovan women and
> not only to them, but to all who want to live in a
> free, but non discriminating society.  Most of all I
> wish that many things never happened, but since they
> did there is no other way but to go on.Though I myself
> carry personal disappointment from my own peoplethe
> Balkans- I thinkj the spirit to fight is gone,
> Everybody wants a warm spot, but is that enough?Please
> respect my grandfather's point of view,because it was
> only a response to an innacurately put down statement,
> which inspires only further aggression and ethnical
> hatred.It is this fashion now in USA about Hollocaust,
> like it was never known before what happened in the
> first half of the century.Or the second one.  People
> have to help each other, especially from within.  
> Ofcourse nothing justifies anything. Noone will be
> able to wipe off the tears, that come from a bleeding
> heart of a mother, who lives after her child was
> killed by people- animals , NOONE, least of all  a
> soldier-savior, who has sex on his mind. 
> Noone will bring the victims back.
> Noone will prevent what was meant to happen. People
> have to stand together- from within- I do not know why
> they cant. You tell me why. This is what my
> grandfather believed in- and according to him- people
> on the balkans were never willing to become One,
> because of their high ego. I share his beliefs, but
> again, accept deepest apologies that his statements
> have caused due to his dimensia,which  often lately
> makes him into an angry  child.
> Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> suffered in kosovo are not part of this conversation. 
> Forgive me if i am wrong.
> 
> 
> --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
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> > 
> > 
> > > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian slavs?
> > 
> > no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels'
> > communism has never been
> > realised; that means that the art of the communism
> > that existed in the world was a
> > pure slavic one.
> > 
> > 
> > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
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> > > > 
> > > > the roots of communism are, as every body knows,
> > in
> > > > russia (the self
> > > > proclameted slavic mother of all slavic
> > countrys);
> > > > so one can freely assume that the
> > > > comunism in albania was connected as well with
> > an
> > > > slavic issue - the
> > > > "donaters" of communism in albania were also
> > slaves:
> > > > miladin popovic and  ? (i don't
> > > > have the second name in my mind any more; may be
> > > > some body can write it!).
> > > > 
> > > > nobody is making a distinction of milosveics
> > evil -
> > > > of course he is also
> > > > evil for killing serbs;
> > > > but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate
> > him
> > > > for killing themselves
> > > > or for killing another ones or for making couple
> > of
> > > > wars; they just hate him
> > > > for loosing those wars - he would have been an
> > hero,
> > > > if had won those wars or
> > > > if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of
> > > > albanians, no matter that that
> > > > that was als evil.
> > > > 
> > > > do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is
> > seeing
> > > > your point of view;try
> > > > also to understnd the other's point of view!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is
> > my
> > > > third
> > > > > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of
> > humor,
> > > > > which I am not going to give up, even if you
> > > > insist. 
> > > > > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is
> > what
> > > > it
> > > > > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a
> > bit
> > > > > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime
> > been
> > > > > 'slavic"?- I do not think so.
> > > > > So as you know the issue is complex.  
> > > > >  About those, who perished and were tortured,-
> > I
> > > > bow
> > > > > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and
> > most
> > > > of
> > > > > all I bow my head for those who can make a
> > > > distinction
> > > > > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic
> > > > hatred.
> > > > > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you
> > simply
> > > > take
> > > > > pleasure in talking? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But  you go for it, because nationalism has
> > always
> > > > > existed. Distinction is needed to make
> > something
> > > > good,
> > > > > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich
> > killed
> > > > the
> > > > > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed.
> >  Or
> > > > > that was alright. 
> > > > > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a
> > > > nice
> > > > > day.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > > > > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion
> > Forum
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> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for whom did you work in your first and
> > second
> > > > life?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification
> > > > > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO
> > only- 
> > > > > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring
> > VIOLENCE
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic"
> > > > regime)
> > > > > > > I thought against this regime more than 15
> > > > years
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > Fighting is difficult
> > > > > > > Because people do not stand up together
> > > > > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED 
> > > > > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the
> > > > killers
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > rapers get their spoon?
> > > > > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this
> > > > life.
> > > > > > > Write.
> > > > > > > --- Yahoo <begra at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your
> > > > > > exagerration
> > > > > > > > > serve for- if there were more than
> > 1000
> > > > > > villages
> > > > > > > > burnt
> > > > > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you
> > sure
> > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > talking about Kosovo? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but
> > next
> > > > time
> > > > > > > > think before you write, because it is
> > not
> > > > the
> > > > > > author
> > > > > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it
> > is
> > > > you. I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it
> > is
> > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of
> > > > Former
> > > > > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where
> > > > > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape
> > > > camps"? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian
> > > > local
> > > > > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps",  as
> > they
> > > > did
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bosnia. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in
> > > > > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately-
> > > > > > > > > because then it would not have been
> > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > > burn
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it
> > -
> > > > > > bombed by
> > > > > > > > > NATO)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number
> > of
> > > > > > villages
> > > > > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness
> > to
> > > > burn
> > 
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