From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Mar  5 15:30:03 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Mar  5 15:30:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Looking for Albanian pen friends (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103051528480.23301-100000@alb-net.com>

please reply directly.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 21:29:34 +0100
From: Caroline <farfalla at compaqnet.fr>
To: staff at alb-net.com

I am looking for Albanian pen friends . I really like to help them . Please send me a lot of e-mails . This is a message for Albanian people : don't forget that God love you . The war is the worst thing existing on earth ; I hope you will spend better days right now . I send you all my affection . Albanian people is so friendly , nobody can treat them wrong . Every human being has the right to live with dignity . Nobody is superior . We all are the same . Only God is the greatest . Salam Alaykum . Peace Be Upon You .



From mentor at alb-net.com  Tue Mar  6 22:56:07 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue Mar  6 22:56:07 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops Help Defend Macedonia
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103062246480.25713-100000@alb-net.com>

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010306/wl/macedonia_leadall_dc_15.html

Just few months back the news of letting Yugoslav troops assist in
defending Macedonia 'against Albanian militia' would have seems as distant
as believing that the Serb Army would be stationed all over Kosova again,
after all the massacre they committed on the Albanian population.

Well, the very fact that such move has been considered by NATO, makes one
think where will it stop? The buffer zone? Inside Macedonian border so that
the Serb Army can fight alongside Macedonian Army against Albanians?

Just few thoughts....

later,
Mentor






From juniku at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 10 14:59:03 2001
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Sat Mar 10 14:59:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Fwd: THE TANUSEVCI STORY - A very interesting Background-report
Message-ID: <F147IXItgiOM0aEv4fY00005912@hotmail.com>

>THE TANUSEVCI STORY.
>
>Skirmishes have continued recently near Macedonia's northern border with
>Kosova, where three Macedonian policemen were killed on 4 March.
>Authorities in Macedonia blame the NATO-led peacekeeping force in
>neighboring Kosova for failing to do enough to secure the border from
>armed Kosovar Albanian infiltrators. But RFE/RL correspondent Jolyon
>Naegele reports from Skopje that Macedonian authorities may be at least
>equally to blame for the violent dispute over the border village of
>Tanusevci. Here is his report.
>         The dispute over the ethnic Albanian border village of Tanusevci
>in northern Macedonia has been simmering for months. But its origins
>predate Macedonian independence more than eight years ago.
>         Tanusevci lies within earshot of the border with Kosova, high in
>the Black Mountains (Crna Gora/Karadak) north of Skopje. The village is
>about 24 kilometers from the capital as the crow flies, but nearly
>double that distance over winding roads. There is no bus service. The
>nearest school and clinic are in the southern Kosovar town of Viti,
>about an hour away on foot.
>         The border in the Black Mountains was never marked, and as long
>as the former Yugoslavia existed it was nothing more than an
>administrative boundary. Most residents considered themselves Kosovar
>Albanians. The break-up of Yugoslavia had little immediate impact on
>Tanusevci. But starting in the late 1990s, the village became a funnel
>for arms to the Kosova Liberation Army, or UCK. Serb forces on occasion
>entered Tanusevci.
>         Last year, Tanusevci became a transit point for weapons bound
>for Albanian insurgents in the Presevo Valley of southern Serbia, some
>30 kilometers to the northeast. A U.S. KFOR intelligence officer in Viti
>told RFE/RL in June that KFOR was monitoring the movement of weapons
>just across the border in northern Macedonia but, beyond informing the
>Macedonian authorities, lacked a mandate to respond.
>         In the wake of an incident last September, in which Macedonian
>military vehicles were fired upon near Tanusevci, Macedonian police went
>to the village and checked the identity cards of residents. Those
>without proper documentation were told to leave.
>         Macedonian officials -- who ask to remain anonymous -- say that
>before NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia two years ago, Tanusevci had some
>750 inhabitants. Even before the current violence erupted, the officials
>say, that number had been reduced by more than half to about 300.
>         The most recent shootings began in February. At that time,
>police went to investigate a report that a Skopje television news team
>had been surrounded by armed Albanians, some in uniform, who confiscated
>their equipment and ordered them to leave. Those in uniform wore patches
>with the letters UCK, standing no longer for the disbanded Kosova
>Liberation Army but rather for the National Liberation Army ("Kombetar"
>is Albanian for "National").
>         Professor Bexheti is a member of one of Macedonia's two main
>ethnic Albanian parties, the opposition Party of Democratic Prosperity
>(PPD). As Macedonia's minister for transportation and communications in
>the mid-1990s, Bexheti visited Tanusevci several times in an effort to
>end the village's isolation from the rest of Macedonia. Bexheti says he
>understands why the villagers resorted to arms. "I fully excuse their
>bid to establish their own fundamental civic rights for the simple
>reason that for the last 50 years, all their educational, health and
>business affairs were with Viti, a town in Kosova, rather than with
>Skopje, from which unfortunately they were isolated due to wholly
>inadequate transportation and [communications]."
>         Bexheti argues the people of Tanusevci were never provided with
>Macedonian identity papers and that they also failed to register their
>births in Macedonia. He notes that Macedonian authorities should have
>foreseen that there would be trouble when they signed and ratified a
>treaty with Yugoslavia last month defining their countries' common
>border, including the Macedonian-Kosovar border.
>         The professor feels that "it is possible that [these] problems
>will spread to other parts of Macedonia. There are some who [believe]
>that the current situation in Macedonia regarding the constitutional and
>legal status of Albanians will result in [something like] what is
>happening now [but on a broader scale]. We must think seriously about
>changing the constitutional and legal status [of Macedonia] from a
>nation-state to one with a civic character -- that is, to establish a
>civil or bi-national state of Macedonians and Albanians, embracing the
>two main ethnic groups that live here and together make up 93 percent of
>all the citizens."
>         Tanusevci's rebels have been secretive about their aims and only
>publicly declared their goals on 5 March. In a fax to Deutsche Welle's
>Albanian Service, they said they are fighting for the equality of ethnic
>Albanians in Macedonia.
>         Bexheti says he believes the government has responded to the
>uprising as best it can. He feels that Skopje had no choice but to
>reinforce its troops and police and try to avoid direct confrontation,
>while seeking increased cooperation and understanding from the
>international community.
>         In contrast to Bexheti, whose party has been in the opposition
>for more than two years, the deputy chairman of the Tetovo-based
>Democratic Party of Albanians (PDSH), Menduh Thaci, is in a more
>difficult position. The crisis in Tanusevci has developed at a time when
>his party is the junior partner in a coalition government with the main
>Macedonian nationalist party, known by the acronym VMRO- DPMNE. Thaci
>says outside interests are taking advantage of Tanusevci residents. "I
>think that the people who are responsible for the incidents and problems
>in Tanusevci may be working for [other] services, for other interests --
>but there is nothing to suggest that they are working in the interest of
>Albanians. I think in this situation one must look at the context -- or
>mosaic -- of the latest, very arrogant attempts to destabilize the
>Macedonian government and eventually the entire state."
>         Menduh Thaci says those behind the violence -- whom he suspects
>of being connected with the Serbian and Russian secret services -- are
>weakening his party's position in the government. He concedes that
>Macedonian police may have mistreated some Tanusevci residents, but he
>insists the police made no attempt at ethnic cleansing. In his words:
>"That's not precise."
>         Only those without identity papers were forced by Macedonian
>police to leave Tanusevci. But others left of their own accord to escape
>the shooting between rebels and Macedonian security forces. In fact, the
>UN High Commissioner for Refugees says more than 500 residents, mainly
>women and children, left the village for Kosova late last month.
>         Macedonian Interior Ministry spokesman Stevo Pendarovski told
>our correspondent on 7 March that there are now 300 armed men in the
>village, many of them recruited in Viti.
>         Menduh Thaci estimates that out of a total ethnic Albanian
>population in Macedonia of between 700,000 and 800,000, "well under
>100,000" lack Macedonian papers. Official estimates of the Albanian
>population are closer to 500,000. (Editor's note: the Albanians
>boycotted the most recent census, charging manipulation of data. Many
>ethnic Macedonians suspect that the real reason was that the Albanians
>feared that the census would reveal that their real numbers are far
>below the high figures that many Albanian leaders claim.)
>         In contrast to Bexheti, Thaci does not see the unrest in
>Tanusevci spreading to the rest of western Macedonia, where most of the
>country's Albanians are concentrated.
>         The gunmen "don't have a chance. These same people -- perhaps 90
>percent of them -- six or seven months ago tried [to ignite unrest] in
>Upare, a village near Tetovo. But we as a political party were decisive
>in putting a halt to this within 24 hours. So it's complicated because
>they picked Tanusevci this time, since it is in terrain that is
>inaccessible for us."
>         Thaci, echoing the views of the Macedonian government, says his
>information is that most of the rebels in Tanusevci are from Kosova. He
>describes them as a mixture of UCK veterans, criminals, and smugglers.
>         Kim Mehmeti is an ethnic Albanian independent political analyst
>who heads the Skopje-based non- governmental Center for Multi-Cultural
>Understanding and Cooperation. He says Macedonia has been very slow to
>take an interest in Tanusevci after years of isolation and harassment of
>the villagers by Serbian police that ended only with the NATO air
>strikes in 1999. He argues that the border treaty Macedonia signed with
>Yugoslavia last month only added to the nervousness and mistrust felt by
>Tanusevci residents, which culminated in their rebellion.
>         Mehmeti feels that the Macedonian government should amnesty the
>rebels. "We [Albanians] are for the stability of this country. As far as
>I know, not a single Albanian has said he wishes to see this state
>dissolved. Where is the problem now? I have information that only ethnic
>Macedonians [police and soldiers] are being deployed [around Tanusevci].
>What does that mean? [It means] that they don't trust us. These are the
>realities that I see. An organized state should not let such matters
>result in hysteria."
>         Mehmeti believes that the "them and us" mentality has been
>reinforced ever since the establishment of an independent Macedonia in
>1992. He says he bristled every time Macedonian President Boris
>Trajkovski, or his predecessor Kiro Gligorov, addressed the nation and
>said: "Macedonian citizens and other citizens." That implies, he argues,
>that the 40 percent of the nation's population who are not ethnic
>Macedonians -- but rather Albanians, Turks, Serbs, Muslims, Roma, and
>Vlachs -- are second-class citizens.
>         Moreover, Mehmeti says, current tensions and the loss of life in
>Tanusevci -- one Albanian resident three weeks ago and three Macedonian
>policemen on 4 March -- have, in his words, "lowered the level of
>Macedonian-Albanian ethnic relations to zero -- where they were in
>1990."
>         Mehmeti believes that Albanians and Macedonians alike are being
>manipulated. He notes that Macedonian politicians and news media insist
>-- in his view without a shred of evidence -- that Albanians set the
>mine that killed two policemen on patrol near Tanusevci recently. Mehmet
>argues that the mine could have just as easily been set by others in an
>attempt to compromise the Albanians.


(Jolyon Naegele)
>
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From avelinahr at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 17:49:01 2001
From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti)
Date: Sat Mar 10 17:49:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League
In-Reply-To: <12435.982758605@www11.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20010310224828.795.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>

Hallo,, Everyone 
I would like to appologise here to everybody for the
confusion and possible tackling with peoples suffer
and feelings that had  emerged from my email lately to
Pristina .net.com.
The explanation is as follows:
My grandfather, who is at respactable age has been
using my email address (with my original permission).
Since the last few emails he has sent around I have
changed my password, and since he does not know much
about internet , except how to get on and use my email
address, he will not bother anyone anymore. Again,
please accept my appologies on behalf of my
grandfather, who has been troubled off and on by
dimensia.
Out of respect for my grandfather, I need to make
knowledgable that his native language and Engish as
well are very good on a regular basis, which may not
be particularly obvious in his delirious writings. He
fought War I and was tortured during his capture in
World WAr II, spent years in the socialist camps,
miraculously saved by a pig(he used the skin of the
animal to escape)- later escaped through Yugoslavia in
a very fantastic journey to reach Austria. He has the
point that hatred will not help anybody.His point
contains the view  that things like money and power
can ruin  even the bravest people at the end. He's
seen evil from many sides, and he once told me that
men have to live in order to fight men's malice. Not
to make a point ,but  only as a factual event I dare
to mention here(not making it a point)that his
grandaughter was raped by an albanian, but he also had
a best friend, who was an albanian. as far as for the
existance of bars,held by native albanians In Pristina
where slave prostitution is enforced and the only girl
you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
situation in the region.It does not mean though this
should be a "portret of an "albanian"". Same with
serbs.  One of the clubs is called the International
Club, regularly visited by men all ages, including the
troops stationed in the region.
 
As far as for me and what my belief is - a man will
rape and kill- no matter albanian or serb. It depends
on the individual's growth and consciusness. If  I
could  relocate all men to a separate island and let
them have wars between each other and leave the women
in peace, I probably would do it. Women are the ones
who carry it all. I wish the best to Kosovan women and
not only to them, but to all who want to live in a
free, but non discriminating society.  Most of all I
wish that many things never happened, but since they
did there is no other way but to go on.Though I myself
carry personal disappointment from my own peoplethe
Balkans- I thinkj the spirit to fight is gone,
Everybody wants a warm spot, but is that enough?Please
respect my grandfather's point of view,because it was
only a response to an innacurately put down statement,
which inspires only further aggression and ethnical
hatred.It is this fashion now in USA about Hollocaust,
like it was never known before what happened in the
first half of the century.Or the second one.  People
have to help each other, especially from within.  
Ofcourse nothing justifies anything. Noone will be
able to wipe off the tears, that come from a bleeding
heart of a mother, who lives after her child was
killed by people- animals , NOONE, least of all  a
soldier-savior, who has sex on his mind. 
Noone will bring the victims back.
Noone will prevent what was meant to happen. People
have to stand together- from within- I do not know why
they cant. You tell me why. This is what my
grandfather believed in- and according to him- people
on the balkans were never willing to become One,
because of their high ego. I share his beliefs, but
again, accept deepest apologies that his statements
have caused due to his dimensia,which  often lately
makes him into an angry  child.
Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
suffered in kosovo are not part of this conversation. 
Forgive me if i am wrong.


--- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> 
> > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian slavs?
> 
> no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels'
> communism has never been
> realised; that means that the art of the communism
> that existed in the world was a
> pure slavic one.
> 
> 
> > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > 
> > > the roots of communism are, as every body knows,
> in
> > > russia (the self
> > > proclameted slavic mother of all slavic
> countrys);
> > > so one can freely assume that the
> > > comunism in albania was connected as well with
> an
> > > slavic issue - the
> > > "donaters" of communism in albania were also
> slaves:
> > > miladin popovic and  ? (i don't
> > > have the second name in my mind any more; may be
> > > some body can write it!).
> > > 
> > > nobody is making a distinction of milosveics
> evil -
> > > of course he is also
> > > evil for killing serbs;
> > > but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate
> him
> > > for killing themselves
> > > or for killing another ones or for making couple
> of
> > > wars; they just hate him
> > > for loosing those wars - he would have been an
> hero,
> > > if had won those wars or
> > > if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of
> > > albanians, no matter that that
> > > that was als evil.
> > > 
> > > do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is
> seeing
> > > your point of view;try
> > > also to understnd the other's point of view!
> > > > 
> > > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is
> my
> > > third
> > > > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of
> humor,
> > > > which I am not going to give up, even if you
> > > insist. 
> > > > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is
> what
> > > it
> > > > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a
> bit
> > > > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime
> been
> > > > 'slavic"?- I do not think so.
> > > > So as you know the issue is complex.  
> > > >  About those, who perished and were tortured,-
> I
> > > bow
> > > > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and
> most
> > > of
> > > > all I bow my head for those who can make a
> > > distinction
> > > > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic
> > > hatred.
> > > > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you
> simply
> > > take
> > > > pleasure in talking? 
> > > > 
> > > > But  you go for it, because nationalism has
> always
> > > > existed. Distinction is needed to make
> something
> > > good,
> > > > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich
> killed
> > > the
> > > > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed.
>  Or
> > > > that was alright. 
> > > > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a
> > > nice
> > > > day.
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > > > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion
> Forum
> > > ---
> > > > >         Archives:
> > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > > > 
> > > > > for whom did you work in your first and
> second
> > > life?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thank you for the clarification
> > > > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO
> only- 
> > > > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring
> VIOLENCE
> > > > > against
> > > > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic"
> > > regime)
> > > > > > I thought against this regime more than 15
> > > years
> > > > > ago
> > > > > > Fighting is difficult
> > > > > > Because people do not stand up together
> > > > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED 
> > > > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the
> > > killers
> > > > > and
> > > > > > rapers get their spoon?
> > > > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this
> > > life.
> > > > > > Write.
> > > > > > --- Yahoo <begra at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your
> > > > > exagerration
> > > > > > > > serve for- if there were more than
> 1000
> > > > > villages
> > > > > > > burnt
> > > > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you
> sure
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > talking about Kosovo? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but
> next
> > > time
> > > > > > > think before you write, because it is
> not
> > > the
> > > > > author
> > > > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it
> is
> > > you. I
> > > > > am
> > > > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it
> is
> > > > > talking
> > > > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of
> > > Former
> > > > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where
> > > > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape
> > > camps"? 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian
> > > local
> > > > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps",  as
> they
> > > did
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > Bosnia. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in
> > > > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately-
> > > > > > > > because then it would not have been
> easy
> > > to
> > > > > burn
> > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it
> -
> > > > > bombed by
> > > > > > > > NATO)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number
> of
> > > > > villages
> > > > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness
> to
> > > burn
> 
=== message truncated ===






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From zabeli at gmx.de  Sun Mar 11 11:56:02 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Sun Mar 11 11:56:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League
References: <20010310224828.795.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <14361.984329728@www31.gmx.net>

nice story with your grand dad! only tom hanks and meg ryan are missing and
it could be a new "internet-film", though an "internet-thriller".

springhetti wrote:
> as far as for the
> existance of bars,held by native albanians In Pristina
> where slave prostitution is enforced and the only girl
> you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> situation in the region.It does not mean though this
> should be a "portret of an "albanian""

well the reason, that you picked up this protitution trading example(and
that suspicious raping story) is clear enough, what kind of portraits do
albanians in your head have. you're picking a "business" condemned by albanians
themselves, for than saying they're not like that. (according to you prishtina is
huge prostitute-markt, where all bars are dealing with womens. that's not
true: the trading is taking place above all in macedonia)

springhetti:
> Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> suffered in kosovo are not part of this conversation. 
> Forgive me if i am wrong.

well mister, I have also a weird feeling, that those who condemned suffering
in kosova wouldn't write such an evil minded text as your's is (one can read
even between the lines nothing else than hate and contemption.)

please save us from your analysis about kosova! I don't think somebody is
keen(!) on those kind of analysis'.



> Hallo,, Everyone 
> I would like to appologise here to everybody for the
> confusion and possible tackling with peoples suffer
> and feelings that had  emerged from my email lately to
> Pristina .net.com.
> The explanation is as follows:
> My grandfather, who is at respactable age has been
> using my email address (with my original permission).
> Since the last few emails he has sent around I have
> changed my password, and since he does not know much
> about internet , except how to get on and use my email
> address, he will not bother anyone anymore. Again,
> please accept my appologies on behalf of my
> grandfather, who has been troubled off and on by
> dimensia.
> Out of respect for my grandfather, I need to make
> knowledgable that his native language and Engish as
> well are very good on a regular basis, which may not
> be particularly obvious in his delirious writings. He
> fought War I and was tortured during his capture in
> World WAr II, spent years in the socialist camps,
> miraculously saved by a pig(he used the skin of the
> animal to escape)- later escaped through Yugoslavia in
> a very fantastic journey to reach Austria. He has the
> point that hatred will not help anybody.His point
> contains the view  that things like money and power
> can ruin  even the bravest people at the end. He's
> seen evil from many sides, and he once told me that
> men have to live in order to fight men's malice. Not
> to make a point ,but  only as a factual event I dare
> to mention here(not making it a point)that his
> grandaughter was raped by an albanian, but he also had
> a best friend, who was an albanian. as far as for the
> existance of bars,held by native albanians In Pristina
> where slave prostitution is enforced and the only girl
> you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> situation in the region.It does not mean though this
> should be a "portret of an "albanian"". Same with
> serbs.  One of the clubs is called the International
> Club, regularly visited by men all ages, including the
> troops stationed in the region.
>  
> As far as for me and what my belief is - a man will
> rape and kill- no matter albanian or serb. It depends
> on the individual's growth and consciusness. If  I
> could  relocate all men to a separate island and let
> them have wars between each other and leave the women
> in peace, I probably would do it. Women are the ones
> who carry it all. I wish the best to Kosovan women and
> not only to them, but to all who want to live in a
> free, but non discriminating society.  Most of all I
> wish that many things never happened, but since they
> did there is no other way but to go on.Though I myself
> carry personal disappointment from my own peoplethe
> Balkans- I thinkj the spirit to fight is gone,
> Everybody wants a warm spot, but is that enough?Please
> respect my grandfather's point of view,because it was
> only a response to an innacurately put down statement,
> which inspires only further aggression and ethnical
> hatred.It is this fashion now in USA about Hollocaust,
> like it was never known before what happened in the
> first half of the century.Or the second one.  People
> have to help each other, especially from within.  
> Ofcourse nothing justifies anything. Noone will be
> able to wipe off the tears, that come from a bleeding
> heart of a mother, who lives after her child was
> killed by people- animals , NOONE, least of all  a
> soldier-savior, who has sex on his mind. 
> Noone will bring the victims back.
> Noone will prevent what was meant to happen. People
> have to stand together- from within- I do not know why
> they cant. You tell me why. This is what my
> grandfather believed in- and according to him- people
> on the balkans were never willing to become One,
> because of their high ego. I share his beliefs, but
> again, accept deepest apologies that his statements
> have caused due to his dimensia,which  often lately
> makes him into an angry  child.
> Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> suffered in kosovo are not part of this conversation. 
> Forgive me if i am wrong.
> 
> 
> --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > 
> > 
> > > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian slavs?
> > 
> > no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels'
> > communism has never been
> > realised; that means that the art of the communism
> > that existed in the world was a
> > pure slavic one.
> > 
> > 
> > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum
> > ---
> > > >         Archives:
> > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > > 
> > > > the roots of communism are, as every body knows,
> > in
> > > > russia (the self
> > > > proclameted slavic mother of all slavic
> > countrys);
> > > > so one can freely assume that the
> > > > comunism in albania was connected as well with
> > an
> > > > slavic issue - the
> > > > "donaters" of communism in albania were also
> > slaves:
> > > > miladin popovic and  ? (i don't
> > > > have the second name in my mind any more; may be
> > > > some body can write it!).
> > > > 
> > > > nobody is making a distinction of milosveics
> > evil -
> > > > of course he is also
> > > > evil for killing serbs;
> > > > but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate
> > him
> > > > for killing themselves
> > > > or for killing another ones or for making couple
> > of
> > > > wars; they just hate him
> > > > for loosing those wars - he would have been an
> > hero,
> > > > if had won those wars or
> > > > if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of
> > > > albanians, no matter that that
> > > > that was als evil.
> > > > 
> > > > do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is
> > seeing
> > > > your point of view;try
> > > > also to understnd the other's point of view!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is
> > my
> > > > third
> > > > > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of
> > humor,
> > > > > which I am not going to give up, even if you
> > > > insist. 
> > > > > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is
> > what
> > > > it
> > > > > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a
> > bit
> > > > > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime
> > been
> > > > > 'slavic"?- I do not think so.
> > > > > So as you know the issue is complex.  
> > > > >  About those, who perished and were tortured,-
> > I
> > > > bow
> > > > > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and
> > most
> > > > of
> > > > > all I bow my head for those who can make a
> > > > distinction
> > > > > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic
> > > > hatred.
> > > > > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you
> > simply
> > > > take
> > > > > pleasure in talking? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > But  you go for it, because nationalism has
> > always
> > > > > existed. Distinction is needed to make
> > something
> > > > good,
> > > > > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich
> > killed
> > > > the
> > > > > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed.
> >  Or
> > > > > that was alright. 
> > > > > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a
> > > > nice
> > > > > day.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > > > > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion
> > Forum
> > > > ---
> > > > > >         Archives:
> > > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > for whom did you work in your first and
> > second
> > > > life?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification
> > > > > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO
> > only- 
> > > > > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring
> > VIOLENCE
> > > > > > against
> > > > > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic"
> > > > regime)
> > > > > > > I thought against this regime more than 15
> > > > years
> > > > > > ago
> > > > > > > Fighting is difficult
> > > > > > > Because people do not stand up together
> > > > > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED 
> > > > > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the
> > > > killers
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > rapers get their spoon?
> > > > > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this
> > > > life.
> > > > > > > Write.
> > > > > > > --- Yahoo <begra at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your
> > > > > > exagerration
> > > > > > > > > serve for- if there were more than
> > 1000
> > > > > > villages
> > > > > > > > burnt
> > > > > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you
> > sure
> > > > you
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > talking about Kosovo? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but
> > next
> > > > time
> > > > > > > > think before you write, because it is
> > not
> > > > the
> > > > > > author
> > > > > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it
> > is
> > > > you. I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it
> > is
> > > > > > talking
> > > > > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of
> > > > Former
> > > > > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where
> > > > > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape
> > > > camps"? 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian
> > > > local
> > > > > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps",  as
> > they
> > > > did
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > Bosnia. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in
> > > > > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately-
> > > > > > > > > because then it would not have been
> > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > > burn
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it
> > -
> > > > > > bombed by
> > > > > > > > > NATO)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number
> > of
> > > > > > villages
> > > > > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness
> > to
> > > > burn
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
> 
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From avelinahr at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 12:34:01 2001
From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti)
Date: Sun Mar 11 12:34:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League
In-Reply-To: <14361.984329728@www31.gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20010311173326.54669.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>

film  is all yours, ju lutem.. Qielli eshte i paster.
Suksese!
--- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> nice story with your grand dad! only tom hanks and
> meg ryan are missing and
> it could be a new "internet-film", though an
> "internet-thriller".
> 
> springhetti wrote:
> > as far as for the
> > existance of bars,held by native albanians In
> Pristina
> > where slave prostitution is enforced and the only
> girl
> > you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> > unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> > situation in the region.It does not mean though
> this
> > should be a "portret of an "albanian""
> 
> well the reason, that you picked up this protitution
> trading example(and
> that suspicious raping story) is clear enough, what
> kind of portraits do
> albanians in your head have. you're picking a
> "business" condemned by albanians
> themselves, for than saying they're not like that.
> (according to you prishtina is
> huge prostitute-markt, where all bars are dealing
> with womens. that's not
> true: the trading is taking place above all in
> macedonia)
> 
> springhetti:
> > Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> > suffered in kosovo are not part of this
> conversation. 
> > Forgive me if i am wrong.
> 
> well mister, I have also a weird feeling, that those
> who condemned suffering
> in kosova wouldn't write such an evil minded text as
> your's is (one can read
> even between the lines nothing else than hate and
> contemption.)
> 
> please save us from your analysis about kosova! I
> don't think somebody is
> keen(!) on those kind of analysis'.
> 
> 
> 
> > Hallo,, Everyone 
> > I would like to appologise here to everybody for
> the
> > confusion and possible tackling with peoples
> suffer
> > and feelings that had  emerged from my email
> lately to
> > Pristina .net.com.
> > The explanation is as follows:
> > My grandfather, who is at respactable age has been
> > using my email address (with my original
> permission).
> > Since the last few emails he has sent around I
> have
> > changed my password, and since he does not know
> much
> > about internet , except how to get on and use my
> email
> > address, he will not bother anyone anymore. Again,
> > please accept my appologies on behalf of my
> > grandfather, who has been troubled off and on by
> > dimensia.
> > Out of respect for my grandfather, I need to make
> > knowledgable that his native language and Engish
> as
> > well are very good on a regular basis, which may
> not
> > be particularly obvious in his delirious writings.
> He
> > fought War I and was tortured during his capture
> in
> > World WAr II, spent years in the socialist camps,
> > miraculously saved by a pig(he used the skin of
> the
> > animal to escape)- later escaped through
> Yugoslavia in
> > a very fantastic journey to reach Austria. He has
> the
> > point that hatred will not help anybody.His point
> > contains the view  that things like money and
> power
> > can ruin  even the bravest people at the end. He's
> > seen evil from many sides, and he once told me
> that
> > men have to live in order to fight men's malice.
> Not
> > to make a point ,but  only as a factual event I
> dare
> > to mention here(not making it a point)that his
> > grandaughter was raped by an albanian, but he also
> had
> > a best friend, who was an albanian. as far as for
> the
> > existance of bars,held by native albanians In
> Pristina
> > where slave prostitution is enforced and the only
> girl
> > you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> > unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> > situation in the region.It does not mean though
> this
> > should be a "portret of an "albanian"". Same with
> > serbs.  One of the clubs is called the
> International
> > Club, regularly visited by men all ages, including
> the
> > troops stationed in the region.
> >  
> > As far as for me and what my belief is - a man
> will
> > rape and kill- no matter albanian or serb. It
> depends
> > on the individual's growth and consciusness. If  I
> > could  relocate all men to a separate island and
> let
> > them have wars between each other and leave the
> women
> > in peace, I probably would do it. Women are the
> ones
> > who carry it all. I wish the best to Kosovan women
> and
> > not only to them, but to all who want to live in a
> > free, but non discriminating society.  Most of all
> I
> > wish that many things never happened, but since
> they
> > did there is no other way but to go on.Though I
> myself
> > carry personal disappointment from my own
> peoplethe
> > Balkans- I thinkj the spirit to fight is gone,
> > Everybody wants a warm spot, but is that
> enough?Please
> > respect my grandfather's point of view,because it
> was
> > only a response to an innacurately put down
> statement,
> > which inspires only further aggression and
> ethnical
> > hatred.It is this fashion now in USA about
> Hollocaust,
> > like it was never known before what happened in
> the
> > first half of the century.Or the second one. 
> People
> > have to help each other, especially from within.  
> > Ofcourse nothing justifies anything. Noone will be
> > able to wipe off the tears, that come from a
> bleeding
> > heart of a mother, who lives after her child was
> > killed by people- animals , NOONE, least of all  a
> > soldier-savior, who has sex on his mind. 
> > Noone will bring the victims back.
> > Noone will prevent what was meant to happen.
> People
> > have to stand together- from within- I do not know
> why
> > they cant. You tell me why. This is what my
> > grandfather believed in- and according to him-
> people
> > on the balkans were never willing to become One,
> > because of their high ego. I share his beliefs,
> but
> > again, accept deepest apologies that his
> statements
> > have caused due to his dimensia,which  often
> lately
> > makes him into an angry  child.
> > Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> > suffered in kosovo are not part of this
> conversation. 
> > Forgive me if i am wrong.
> > 
> > 
> > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum
> ---
> > >         Archives:
> > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian
> slavs?
> > > 
> > > no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels'
> > > communism has never been
> > > realised; that means that the art of the
> communism
> 
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Sun Mar 11 16:29:12 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Sun Mar 11 16:29:12 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League
References: <20010311173326.54669.qmail@web11003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29875.984346100@www17.gmx.net>

how comes you speak albanian ?! I thought your best was "noone"...
> 
> film  is all yours, ju lutem.. Qielli eshte i paster.
> Suksese!
> --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives:
> > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > 
> > nice story with your grand dad! only tom hanks and
> > meg ryan are missing and
> > it could be a new "internet-film", though an
> > "internet-thriller".
> > 
> > springhetti wrote:
> > > as far as for the
> > > existance of bars,held by native albanians In
> > Pristina
> > > where slave prostitution is enforced and the only
> > girl
> > > you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> > > unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> > > situation in the region.It does not mean though
> > this
> > > should be a "portret of an "albanian""
> > 
> > well the reason, that you picked up this protitution
> > trading example(and
> > that suspicious raping story) is clear enough, what
> > kind of portraits do
> > albanians in your head have. you're picking a
> > "business" condemned by albanians
> > themselves, for than saying they're not like that.
> > (according to you prishtina is
> > huge prostitute-markt, where all bars are dealing
> > with womens. that's not
> > true: the trading is taking place above all in
> > macedonia)
> > 
> > springhetti:
> > > Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> > > suffered in kosovo are not part of this
> > conversation. 
> > > Forgive me if i am wrong.
> > 
> > well mister, I have also a weird feeling, that those
> > who condemned suffering
> > in kosova wouldn't write such an evil minded text as
> > your's is (one can read
> > even between the lines nothing else than hate and
> > contemption.)
> > 
> > please save us from your analysis about kosova! I
> > don't think somebody is
> > keen(!) on those kind of analysis'.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Hallo,, Everyone 
> > > I would like to appologise here to everybody for
> > the
> > > confusion and possible tackling with peoples
> > suffer
> > > and feelings that had  emerged from my email
> > lately to
> > > Pristina .net.com.
> > > The explanation is as follows:
> > > My grandfather, who is at respactable age has been
> > > using my email address (with my original
> > permission).
> > > Since the last few emails he has sent around I
> > have
> > > changed my password, and since he does not know
> > much
> > > about internet , except how to get on and use my
> > email
> > > address, he will not bother anyone anymore. Again,
> > > please accept my appologies on behalf of my
> > > grandfather, who has been troubled off and on by
> > > dimensia.
> > > Out of respect for my grandfather, I need to make
> > > knowledgable that his native language and Engish
> > as
> > > well are very good on a regular basis, which may
> > not
> > > be particularly obvious in his delirious writings.
> > He
> > > fought War I and was tortured during his capture
> > in
> > > World WAr II, spent years in the socialist camps,
> > > miraculously saved by a pig(he used the skin of
> > the
> > > animal to escape)- later escaped through
> > Yugoslavia in
> > > a very fantastic journey to reach Austria. He has
> > the
> > > point that hatred will not help anybody.His point
> > > contains the view  that things like money and
> > power
> > > can ruin  even the bravest people at the end. He's
> > > seen evil from many sides, and he once told me
> > that
> > > men have to live in order to fight men's malice.
> > Not
> > > to make a point ,but  only as a factual event I
> > dare
> > > to mention here(not making it a point)that his
> > > grandaughter was raped by an albanian, but he also
> > had
> > > a best friend, who was an albanian. as far as for
> > the
> > > existance of bars,held by native albanians In
> > Pristina
> > > where slave prostitution is enforced and the only
> > girl
> > > you would not find is an albanian one- it is an
> > > unfortunate fact- another part of the grotesque
> > > situation in the region.It does not mean though
> > this
> > > should be a "portret of an "albanian"". Same with
> > > serbs.  One of the clubs is called the
> > International
> > > Club, regularly visited by men all ages, including
> > the
> > > troops stationed in the region.
> > >  
> > > As far as for me and what my belief is - a man
> > will
> > > rape and kill- no matter albanian or serb. It
> > depends
> > > on the individual's growth and consciusness. If  I
> > > could  relocate all men to a separate island and
> > let
> > > them have wars between each other and leave the
> > women
> > > in peace, I probably would do it. Women are the
> > ones
> > > who carry it all. I wish the best to Kosovan women
> > and
> > > not only to them, but to all who want to live in a
> > > free, but non discriminating society.  Most of all
> > I
> > > wish that many things never happened, but since
> > they
> > > did there is no other way but to go on.Though I
> > myself
> > > carry personal disappointment from my own
> > peoplethe
> > > Balkans- I thinkj the spirit to fight is gone,
> > > Everybody wants a warm spot, but is that
> > enough?Please
> > > respect my grandfather's point of view,because it
> > was
> > > only a response to an innacurately put down
> > statement,
> > > which inspires only further aggression and
> > ethnical
> > > hatred.It is this fashion now in USA about
> > Hollocaust,
> > > like it was never known before what happened in
> > the
> > > first half of the century.Or the second one. 
> > People
> > > have to help each other, especially from within.  
> > > Ofcourse nothing justifies anything. Noone will be
> > > able to wipe off the tears, that come from a
> > bleeding
> > > heart of a mother, who lives after her child was
> > > killed by people- animals , NOONE, least of all  a
> > > soldier-savior, who has sex on his mind. 
> > > Noone will bring the victims back.
> > > Noone will prevent what was meant to happen.
> > People
> > > have to stand together- from within- I do not know
> > why
> > > they cant. You tell me why. This is what my
> > > grandfather believed in- and according to him-
> > people
> > > on the balkans were never willing to become One,
> > > because of their high ego. I share his beliefs,
> > but
> > > again, accept deepest apologies that his
> > statements
> > > have caused due to his dimensia,which  often
> > lately
> > > makes him into an angry  child.
> > > Also , I  have a weird feeling- those who really
> > > suffered in kosovo are not part of this
> > conversation. 
> > > Forgive me if i am wrong.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote:
> > > >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum
> > ---
> > > >         Archives:
> > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian
> > slavs?
> > > > 
> > > > no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels'
> > > > communism has never been
> > > > realised; that means that the art of the
> > communism
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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From ChrisP at ccc.org.au  Sun Mar 11 17:58:13 2001
From: ChrisP at ccc.org.au (Chris Pringle)
Date: Sun Mar 11 17:58:13 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] what do you say?
Message-ID: <F2277FA4EBD2D411B47700508BDCF82F06110A@sydney02.ccc.org.au>

Dear Reader,
what is the present climate in Prishtina Febuary 2001? the morale of young
people..their hopes and dreams for the furure?  last year I visited Kosovo
briefly.... what would you say is your greatest desires now ? I would like
to  hear from you . 
                           chris


From kosova at jps.net  Wed Mar 14 14:00:01 2001
From: kosova at jps.net (kosova at jps.net)
Date: Wed Mar 14 14:00:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW!
Message-ID: <LNBBKKIEKFOPADHBEFPFMEEHDNAA.kosova@jps.net>

List Members,

Join the efforts to release the remaining Albanian Political Prisoners from
Serbia.  Their cruel and unjust detainment must finally come to an end.
Consistent pressure since November of 1999 has aided in the release of many
prisoners.  There are approximately 500 remaining.  ONE soul is too much;
500 is outright disturbing and morally WRONG.

Let's not let these lives deteriorate in prison.  Encourage others to sign
the petition online at: http://www.khao.org/appkosova/app_online.htm or
visit http://www.kosova-info-line.de/APP/ to contribute to the email action
campaign.  If nothing else, please forward this message onto others.

RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW!

Additional information on the prisoners may be found at:
http://www.khao.org/appkosova.htm

This mail is part of an E-MAIL-ACTION:
RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW !
T? LIROHEN MENJ?HER? T? BURGOSURIT!
LASST JETZT DIE GEFANGENEN FREI !
ODMAH OSLOBODITE ZATVORENIKE !
http://www.kosova-info-line.de/APP/
mailto:beineke at kosova-info-line.de

======================================

Association of Political Prisoners - A-PAL : URGENT!
March 11, 2001

A-PAL REQUEST FOR HELP: ACT NOW!!!!

To our relief and delight, one hundred and fifty Albanian prisoners were
released this weekend from Serbian prisons. However approximately five
hundred were left behind, not included so far in the Amnesty Law. The
Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade has a recommendation for the process
they suggest for the remaining prisoners.

We need your help in emailing European, UN, and US organizations and leaders
urging them to immediately take a position supporting this recommendation.
If you know of any human rights organizations who can help, email them too.
Below is a suggested letter. Please adapt it or use it in any way you feel
is necessary. But don't delay!

************************************

March 11, 2001
Dear _____________________ ,

By this weekend, one hundred and fifty ethnic Albanian prisoners have been
allowed to go home, following the enactment of the FRY Amnesty Law.
Thousands of relatives and friends welcomed them back in joyous reunions in
Kosova.

However, to date, five hundred Albanian prisoners still remain in Serbian
prisons. Supposedly, these cases will be subjected to a judicial review. The
Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade has stated on March 7, that Yugoslavia
have without reason denied amnesty to 250 remaining Albanians, many of whom
are still undergoing trials. In addition, the 143 members of the Gjakova
group have yet to be pardoned. Nine prisoners were recommended for
humanitarian release due to untreated injuries suffered at the Dubrava
massacre in May, 1999. Some others are up for parole.

We urge you to support the HLC recommendation that "the defects in the
Amnesty Law be rectified by scheduling an early session of the Serbian
Supreme Court" at which the appeals, pardons, paroles and dismissals could
be resolved at once, and that outside observers from human rights groups,
OSCE, the UN and embassies observe these proceedings.

Sincerely,
##
_________________________
At the UN--email for a meeting on Kosova on March 16, 2001:

1. USA at usaun at undp.org
2. UK at uk at un.it
3. Ukraine at ukrun at undp.org
4. Russian Fed. rusun at un.int
5. Malaysia mysun at undp.org
6. Netherlands netherlands at un.int
7. France france at un.int
8. China chinun at undp.org
9. Canada canada at un.int

The primary function of the security council is to maintain peace and
security in accordance with the principles of the U.N.  These include the
Geneva Conventions. The prisoner issue IS a violation of the Geneva
Conventions No. 3 and No. 4. All parties here are co-signers, and are
therefore responsible for the welfare of the prisoners:

EU
Javier Solana Tony Blair: gbrun at undp.org
Council Secretariat OSCE Secretariat: info at osce.org
Rue de la Loi 1715 Jaques Chirac-fraun at undp.org
Brussels B1048 Colin Powell-secretary at state.gov
Belgium US Senate For. Affairs--Sen. Wellstone, Helms, Biden, Lieberman

US CSCE Committee-Chairmen Sen Nighthorse, Rep. Chris Smith:
bob.hand at mail.house.gov
OSCE/State Dept: odlumGX at state.gov
Sweden Foreign Affairs Minister - Lady Gun-Britt Andersson:
gun-britt.andersson at foreign.ministry.se
OSCE Secretary: info at osce.org
Amnesty International: amnestyis at amnesty.org

======================================
EP members active in the prisoner campaign
A. Bart Staes: b.staes at europarl.eu.int
A. Oostlander: a.oostlander at europarl.eu.int
B. Emma Bonino: e.bonino at agora.stm.it
C. Olivier Dupuis: o.dupuis at agora.stm.it
D. Peter Walsh: pwa at gofree.indigo.ie

<<END>>





From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 14 17:48:36 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed Mar 14 17:48:36 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Macedonia: Human Rights Violation
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103141745510.10072-100000@alb-net.com>

1. Macedonian Police Brutality and Abuse

"Police searches of the houses of ethnic Albanians in Aracinovo were
characterized by the use of excessive force. On 14 January men and boys
were beaten in several houses. One man had his jaw broken, reportedly with
a police rifle butt. Six men and two 15-year-old boys were made to lie
face down outside another house and were kicked and beaten as they lay. A
70-year-old man was allowed to sit up, but the others were reportedly kept
on the ground for up to three hours. The ill-treatment was allegedly
accompanied by references to their Albanian ethnicity. Old men, women and
children were allegedly guarded at gunpoint by police for three hours in
another house."

http://www.balkanreport.com/angliski/policebrutalityreport.htm
http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/index/EUR650052000
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###


2. Citizenship and Constitution

"Despite government promises to reform Macedonia's overly exclusive 1992
citizenship law in line with Council of Europe standards, the law remained
unchanged. Drafted at the time of its independence from the Socialist
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Macedonia's citizenship law never
adequately resolved the status of the significant number of Yugoslav
citizens who were long-term residents in Macedonia but who were neither
born in Macedonia nor ethnic Macedonian. Large numbers of ethnic Albanians,
Turks, and Roma who knew no other home than Macedonia remained effectively
stateless as a result of the law."

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###


3. Education:

"In July, the government adopted legislation to resolve the long-standing
question of Tetovo University, a private Albanian-language institution that
Macedonian authorities refused to accredit as an educational institution.
The passage of the law on education on July 25 established a new
multi-lingual tertiary institute offering training in business, education,
and public management. The internationally funded institution, intended as
a replacement to Tetovo University, would allow Albanians to study in their
own language, although a proficiency test in Macedonian would be required
before their diplomas were officially recognized. Despite receiving the
backing of the Albanian party in the ruling government coalition, the new
institute did not receive unequivocal support from the country's ethnic
Albanian population, many of whom wanted nothing less than the recognition
of Tetovo University itself."

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###



From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 14 19:12:50 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Wed Mar 14 19:12:50 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Letter to the Editor of AP /Outbreak of fighting in Macedonia/Mr..Testorides
Message-ID: <F17DvrhR7XcSMBCKNnM0000417e@hotmail.com>

Dear frienda and compatriots,

This is the letter I have just sent to the Editor of the Associated Press 
and to Mr.Testorides, in relation to today's article of Mr.Testorides, who 
does not want to mention things, that I believe he does not like.

_________________________________________________________________
To the Editor of the Associated Press /also to Mr. Testorides/

I have a particular respect for the work that Associated Press is doing at 
the present and has been doing in the past covering the recent conflicts in 
the Balkans.

However, it has to be said that from time to time some reporters do show a 
certain amount of partiality, lack of arguments and most often the omission 
of certain facts that will otherwise give the respected reader an 
opportunity to have an information containing all the needed details, and 
make his own judgment on the issue.

Unfortunately, an instance like this is the article posted today at Yahoo, 
page about Kosova, by Associated Press, having as the author Mr. Konstantin 
Testorides.

Mr. Testorides among others states:

"The ultimate aim of fighting in both regions appears to be to link them to 
an independent Kosovo run by the ethnic Albanian majority, despite 
international opposition to sovereignty for the Serbian province."


Let we recall that article is primarily about the fighting in Macedonia.

If Mr.Konstantin Testorides has its opinion, of course he has the right to 
make it public. Even if this opinion is not in line with the arguments of 
the matter. This is his freedom of speech.

But what Mr.Testoridis is doing and, I believe has no right to do as a 
journalist/reporter, is to hide the facts.

I do understand that a lot of journalists when they start to write about a 
certain issue do not have enough information about it, which to some extend 
is excusable.

So in this case we are dealing with one of those two scenarios:

1. Either Mr. Testorides has not enough information of what is happening on 
the ground in the region (as I said this is forgivable) and does not make 
any effort to familiarize himself with events in the region, which is not 
forgivable to someone claiming to be a journalist of Associated Press.

2. OR is Mr.Testorides on purpose hiding from the reader important 
information, knowledge of which by the reader,will make his task more 
difficult(Mr..Testorides' task) to influence public opinion in the way he 
wants.

I believe that Mr.Testorides' article i.e. the omission of some crucial 
information belongs to the second category, i.e. he has on purpose left out 
the events of two days ago:

-Outlined demands of Albanian Fighters in Macedonia stating that:
THEY ACCEPT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF MACEDONIA AS A STATE, and are not fighting to 
destroy Macedonia.

I believe that if any similar situation happens in any country, it is very 
important to know who is behind and what are demands, therefore it should 
have been to the benefit of the reader for Mr.Testorides to inform him/her 
of this, to me very important development.

Interestingly enough, other demands contained on their agenda, wanted some 
individuals or not cannot be characterized other bur relating to human 
rights such as:

- the right to Macedonian citizenship;

- the right to use Albanian Language as an official language;

- the right to education/ to have at least one University in Albanian
  Language (35-40% of Macedonia's population are Albanians);

- equality with Macedonians that's what NLA-National Liberation Army   
wants;(Albanian population want the same)

- a census to be carried under international supervision;
  (than everyone would know what is the percentage of Albanians in
   Macedonia)

To make things worse for people who see, or would like to see these demands 
as "illegal, extremist etc." they will be disappointed to know that all 
these demands have been put forward for years by Albanian Political Parties 
but no avail. Macedonian government thought that it would be enough as fare 
as the respect of human rights and the rights of minorities is concerned if 
Albanians in Macedonia are not imprisoned and killed on daily bases as in 
Kosova!

At this point something to think about: what defines a minority as a such
a 5%, 10%, 30% or 49% a difficult question I suppose for HR Lawyers too.

Allow me to remind you one more thing, no Albanian can write his/her name in 
their shops in Albanian language in Macedonia, it is prohibited, even if the 
majority of the town's population is Albanian.

For the sake of comparison in London for instance you can write your name in 
any language you can think of.

Therefore I appeal to the Associated Press to have in mind a balanced 
approach of a journalist when they assign reporters to different areas.

Journalists should not hide the facts and should not make their own 
judgments or prejudge anything.

I believe they should "display" the facts, so te speak, to the reader and 
allow him the choice i.e. to make his/her own opinion.

Putting before the reader all information, germane to the situation, by  the 
Associated Press and its journalists, will be an important contribution to 
the peaceful resolution of any conflict and this one in particular.

Yours sincerely,

Imer Berisha
Cleveland
Ohio
e-mail:
imerprishtina at hotmail.com




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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 16 12:42:12 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri Mar 16 12:42:12 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Tonet ndaj Shqipetareve po ndryshojne ngadale...
Message-ID: <F57pmDX3a0vs9fUoXa3000028f5@hotmail.com>



Dy lamjet e meposhtme tregojne se gjerat jane duke ndryshuar.

Edhepse ende po shprazen sharje nga te gjitha anet ne drejtim te 
shqipetareve, pa dallim, kokat e ndezura dhe qendrat e vendimmarrjes 
prapseprap jane duke e pare se ku qendron problemi, dhe gjithnje e me shume 
po permendin permiresimin e te drejtave te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.

Besoj se eshte vetem ceshtje kohe kur Qeveria Maqedone dhe Pala Shqiptare
sigurishte me prezencen e nje pale te trete do te ulen te bisedojne per 
zgjidhjen e problemeve.

Prej Maqedonis/Maqedoneve varet se a do te behet kjo se shpejti,pas dy-tre 
muaj luftime, ose pas nje apo dy vitesh.

Nje gje e kan te qarte te gjthe: luftetaret shqiptare dhe pdrejtesite ndaj 
shqipetareve nuk do te zhduken me te shara dhe deklarata se shqipetaret ne 
Maqedoni kan aqe shume te drejta sa nuk din cka te bejne me ato.


Pasojn dy shkrime te shkurta  nga QIK-u

__________________________________________
BE-ja ka p?rgatitur nj? plan p?r zgjidhjen e problemeve nd?retnike n? 
Maqedoni


Prishtin?, 16 mars (QIK) - Suedia si kryesuese e radh?s s? Bashkimit 
Evropian, njoftohet se ka p?rgatitur nj? plan p?r zgjidhjen e problemeve 
nd?retnike n? Maqedoni, ku theksohet p?r fuqizimin, shtimin dhe p?rmir?simin 
e t? drejtave t? popullsis? shqiptare n? Maqedoni.

Ky dokument do t? jet? tem? diskutimi n? mbledhjen e t? h?n?s s? ministrave 
t? pun?ve t? jashtme t? BE-s? n? Bruksel, ku pritet t? marr? pjes? edhe 
ministri maqedonas i pun?ve t? jashtme S?rgjan Kerim.
__________________________________

Vedrin thot? se Maqedonia duhet t? b?j? m? shum? p?r t? p?rmir?suar gjendjen 
e komunitetit shqiptar


Prishtin?, 16 mars (QIK) - Ministri i jasht?m francez Yber Vedrin tha se 
Maqedonia duhet t? b?j? m? shum? p?r t? p?rmir?suar gjendjen e komunitetit 
shqiptar. Sipas Vedrinit ?sht? e kuptueshme se disa gj?ra duhet b?r? n? 
Maqedoni p?r t'i b?r? shqiptar?t q? t? ndihen m? mir? atje dhe t? luajn? nj? 
rol m? t? madh n? jet?n komb?tare. Vedrin i ka d?nuar aktet e dhun?s, duke i 
quajtur "terroriste" t? kryengrit?sve shqiptar?, por ai thot? se nuk beson 
se situata do t? p?rkeq?sohet p?r t'u shnd?rruar n? nj? konflikt t? ngjash?m 
si n? Bosnj?.
______________________________________


Siq po shuhet tonet po ndryshojne dhe do te ndryshojne edhe me sume me 
kalimin e kohes.

Ju pershendese

Imer Berisha





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From mentor at alb-net.com  Sat Mar 17 11:10:58 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Sat Mar 17 11:10:58 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103171105520.27834-100000@alb-net.com>

Visit the new site AMCC (Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center) for
information on Human Rights Violation against Albanians.

	http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

later,
Mentor

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:10:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com>
To: Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center News & Information
    <amcc-news at alb-net.com>
Subject: Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity

1. Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity
2. Discrimination: The Macedonian Citizenship Law

###
1. Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity
   Rebels Demand Rights

"A group of ethnic Albanian guerrillas battling for control of a hillside
 overlooking this frightened provincial city said today their sole aim is
 to win more economic and political rights alongside Macedonia's Slavic
 majority."
"In interviews, they said their armed violence was sparked by a decade of
 discrimination at the hands of the Macedonian Slavs who make up nearly
 two-thirds of the country's 2 million inhabitants, alongside tiny
 communities of Gypsies, Turks and Serbs."
"Although the men would not say where they were from, their accents were
 local, giving credence to the theory that the guerrillas had recruited
 members from the predominantly ethnic Albanian towns surrounding Tetovo."
"But little agreement exists in Macedonia about one of the guerrillas' key
 demands, new schools staffed by Albanian-speaking teachers. At present,
 only elementary schools offer instruction in that language. While ethnic
 Albanians see the school issue as a matter of human rights and economic
 opportunity, many Macedonian Slavs consider the creation of more
 Albanian-language schools a recipe for enhanced Albanian nationalist and
 separatist sentiments."

 For full article visit:
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15604-2001Mar16.html
###


2. Discrimination: The Macedonian Citizenship Law

"Despite government promises to reform Macedonia's overly exclusive 1992
 citizenship law in line with Council of Europe standards, the law
 remained unchanged. Drafted at the time of its independence from the
 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Macedonia's citizenship law
 never adequately resolved the status of the significant number of
 Yugoslav citizens who were long-term residents in Macedonia but who were
 neither born in Macedonia nor ethnic Macedonian. Large numbers of ethnic
 Albanians, Turks, and Roma who knew no other home than Macedonia remained
 effectively stateless as a result of the law."

 http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html





From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 17 15:16:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sat Mar 17 15:16:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Carlotta Gall's article in NYT about fighting in Macedonia
Message-ID: <F123WDDD9FhGDrFjO0y00003cbc@hotmail.com>


Dear friens and compatriots,

this a the letter that I've just sent to the Editor of The NYT, regarding 
today's article of Miss.Carlota Gall

The justice is on the side of Albanians in Macedonia, therefore soon or 
latter the justice will win...keep up the good work.......
All Albanians are for the European integration and democracy and eventualy 
we will reach the EU but only as equals with others!

thanks
_________________________________________________________
To the Editor of The New York Times and Miss.Carlotta GALL

Dear sir/madam,


I read today's article in the New York Times and I was surprised to see 
still the stereotype "knowledge" of the facts expressed by your reporter:
____________________________________________
Today, for the third day, police forces fired for several hours at ethnic 
Albanian rebels taking cover in the hills above the city. The insurgents are 
trying to claim parts of Macedonia that are overwhelmingly Albanian, and the 
population is quickly dividing between Slavs and Albanians, just as in 
Kosovo.
___________________________________________

We are all familiar with the demands that NLA National Liberation Army.
They accept territorial integrity of Macedonia, its Sovereignty.

Therefore I do not really understand why your reporter still insists and 
repeats the claim that rebels "are trying to claim parts of Macedonia".

The guerillas agenda is the same as of Albanian Political Parties in 
Macedonia, that achieved nothing during endless negotiations with Macedonian 
official political structure in the last decade.

This people on the hills are fighting, among other things, for the 
University in Albanian language to be recognized. They have other demands 
that can be summarized as asking for equality within Macedonia.

Many of them are still not recognized as Macedonian citizens, because the 
law is discriminatory for Albanians.

To mae things worse Macedonian President has recently launched his official 
web site, but to no surprise, only in Macedonian and English, seems that he 
feels no need to convey his message to the Albanians in Macedonia, or does 
he think that there is no need to communicate with Ethnic Albanians who are 
citizens of Macedonia. Furthermore this another fact of inequality of 
Albanians and Albanian language in Macedonia.

They have stated they accept the Sovereignty of Macedonia and want to be a 
part of it.

Why is your reporter amputating claims to the rebels that they have not 
made?

Albanians in Macedonia comprise between 30 and 40% of the entire population 
(no precise figure is accepted by either side as there were manipulations 
reported during the census).

NLA National Liberation Army has demanded a census to be carried out
under the supervision of an international body.

All this demands are very well known to Macedonian Government but they were 
never accepted when brought forward by Albanian Political Parties.

We all need to find a way out from the war.
I just want to point to the discrimination that went on for so long in 
Macedonia as a fertile ground for unhappy people that will choose to fight 
among other things, for the right to education.

If the above mentioned problems are solved by negotiating with Albanian 
representatives, Macedonia has nothing to fear for its future. Otherwise I 
believe that ignoring the situation and pretending that everything was fine 
for last 50 years, will just draw more Albanians in Macedonia on the 
rebel(NLA) side and this could than become a real danger for all in the 
region but first for Macedonia.

One fear can prevail in Macedonian Government though, and this is the fear 
from real equality between Ethnic Albanians and Ethnic Macedonians, in 
Macedonia as a common country.

At this point I believe there is still time to find a peaceful solution to 
the problem.

The demands of the rebels are the same as demands of the entire Albanian 
people in Macedonia. Ignoring them and pursuing the current path with 
stubbornness, will bring us to the "no turn point", meaning that it will be 
much more difficult to start any kind of negotiations in few months time 
after hundreds and hundreds of people are killed, injured etc. If no 
negotiations are forthcoming, at least with the leaders of Albanian 
Political Parties in Macedonia addressing each and every problem and demand 
for equality of Albanians in Macedonia we will reach the point that this 
will no longer be possible.

On the other hand, best way to disarm the rebels is by addressing the 
problems and anxieties that Albanians have in Macedonia, that were ignored 
so fare.

Your reporter states in the same article the fact that a town with 80% of 
Albanians, Tetova, has 90% Ethnic Macedonian Slavs comprising a police 
force, meaning with only about 10% Albanians.

No comment is needed.

Therefore at the end I would urge you and your reporters to have in mind the 
facts that the rights of Albanians in Macedonia were neglected for decades 
as were neglected in Kosova and Serbia. The fact that Albanians were not 
killed in thousands and on daily bases in Macedonia does not mean that there 
were no problems.

For 10 years no solution was found, because Macedonian Government sow no 
need to improve the status of Albanians in Macedonia. While gross violations 
of human rights in Kosova were at the focus the public, Macedonian 
Government felt complacent, and did nothing to address issues properly.

Macedonian Government at least now should fight the roots of the problem
i.e. come up with the plan of measures to address the needs and demands of 
Albanians that are not from today or yesterday but have been sitting in 
Macedonian Government's office for years.


Imer Berisha
Cleveland
Ohio





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From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 17 15:45:01 2001
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Sat Mar 17 15:45:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Carlotta Gall's article in NYT about fighting in Macedonia
Message-ID: <F86aZRhQdOgl4rhYQYx00002c72@hotmail.com>

Greetings everyone,

I got no idea why, but the talk of our town has yet to be dominated by what 
is hapenning in our country.  Kosovar politicians are being proved, again, 
as incompentent as they always were.  The government and political parties 
of Albania? Well what can we ever expect from them?  But, thanks for the 
people who seem not to care to much about our politicians, NATO, or anyone 
else for that matter.  Thank GOD, a number of people have realized that you 
can't count on the world to solve your problems.  Now it's not the time to 
discuss whether something is right or wrong.  It is time to take a unified 
stand, and let the world know, that we are here to stay and be great 
contributors to the Balkans and the world at large, but they have to 
understand that we need the opportunity to do so, otherwise we just won't 
stop until we get it ourselves.  GOD bless UCK, UCPMB and whoever is willing 
to fight for the realization of Albanian rights.

Ramis Ahmetaj

>From: "Imer Berisha" <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-E] Carlotta Gall's article in NYT about fighting in 
>Macedonia
>Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:14:16
>
>             --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>
>
>Dear friens and compatriots,
>
>this a the letter that I've just sent to the Editor of The NYT, regarding
>today's article of Miss.Carlota Gall
>
>The justice is on the side of Albanians in Macedonia, therefore soon or
>latter the justice will win...keep up the good work.......
>All Albanians are for the European integration and democracy and eventualy
>we will reach the EU but only as equals with others!
>
>thanks
>_________________________________________________________
>To the Editor of The New York Times and Miss.Carlotta GALL
>
>Dear sir/madam,
>
>
>I read today's article in the New York Times and I was surprised to see
>still the stereotype "knowledge" of the facts expressed by your reporter:
>____________________________________________
>Today, for the third day, police forces fired for several hours at ethnic
>Albanian rebels taking cover in the hills above the city. The insurgents 
>are
>trying to claim parts of Macedonia that are overwhelmingly Albanian, and 
>the
>population is quickly dividing between Slavs and Albanians, just as in
>Kosovo.
>___________________________________________
>
>We are all familiar with the demands that NLA National Liberation Army.
>They accept territorial integrity of Macedonia, its Sovereignty.
>
>Therefore I do not really understand why your reporter still insists and
>repeats the claim that rebels "are trying to claim parts of Macedonia".
>
>The guerillas agenda is the same as of Albanian Political Parties in
>Macedonia, that achieved nothing during endless negotiations with 
>Macedonian
>official political structure in the last decade.
>
>This people on the hills are fighting, among other things, for the
>University in Albanian language to be recognized. They have other demands
>that can be summarized as asking for equality within Macedonia.
>
>Many of them are still not recognized as Macedonian citizens, because the
>law is discriminatory for Albanians.
>
>To mae things worse Macedonian President has recently launched his official
>web site, but to no surprise, only in Macedonian and English, seems that he
>feels no need to convey his message to the Albanians in Macedonia, or does
>he think that there is no need to communicate with Ethnic Albanians who are
>citizens of Macedonia. Furthermore this another fact of inequality of
>Albanians and Albanian language in Macedonia.
>
>They have stated they accept the Sovereignty of Macedonia and want to be a
>part of it.
>
>Why is your reporter amputating claims to the rebels that they have not
>made?
>
>Albanians in Macedonia comprise between 30 and 40% of the entire population
>(no precise figure is accepted by either side as there were manipulations
>reported during the census).
>
>NLA National Liberation Army has demanded a census to be carried out
>under the supervision of an international body.
>
>All this demands are very well known to Macedonian Government but they were
>never accepted when brought forward by Albanian Political Parties.
>
>We all need to find a way out from the war.
>I just want to point to the discrimination that went on for so long in
>Macedonia as a fertile ground for unhappy people that will choose to fight
>among other things, for the right to education.
>
>If the above mentioned problems are solved by negotiating with Albanian
>representatives, Macedonia has nothing to fear for its future. Otherwise I
>believe that ignoring the situation and pretending that everything was fine
>for last 50 years, will just draw more Albanians in Macedonia on the
>rebel(NLA) side and this could than become a real danger for all in the
>region but first for Macedonia.
>
>One fear can prevail in Macedonian Government though, and this is the fear
>from real equality between Ethnic Albanians and Ethnic Macedonians, in
>Macedonia as a common country.
>
>At this point I believe there is still time to find a peaceful solution to
>the problem.
>
>The demands of the rebels are the same as demands of the entire Albanian
>people in Macedonia. Ignoring them and pursuing the current path with
>stubbornness, will bring us to the "no turn point", meaning that it will be
>much more difficult to start any kind of negotiations in few months time
>after hundreds and hundreds of people are killed, injured etc. If no
>negotiations are forthcoming, at least with the leaders of Albanian
>Political Parties in Macedonia addressing each and every problem and demand
>for equality of Albanians in Macedonia we will reach the point that this
>will no longer be possible.
>
>On the other hand, best way to disarm the rebels is by addressing the
>problems and anxieties that Albanians have in Macedonia, that were ignored
>so fare.
>
>Your reporter states in the same article the fact that a town with 80% of
>Albanians, Tetova, has 90% Ethnic Macedonian Slavs comprising a police
>force, meaning with only about 10% Albanians.
>
>No comment is needed.
>
>Therefore at the end I would urge you and your reporters to have in mind 
>the
>facts that the rights of Albanians in Macedonia were neglected for decades
>as were neglected in Kosova and Serbia. The fact that Albanians were not
>killed in thousands and on daily bases in Macedonia does not mean that 
>there
>were no problems.
>
>For 10 years no solution was found, because Macedonian Government sow no
>need to improve the status of Albanians in Macedonia. While gross 
>violations
>of human rights in Kosova were at the focus the public, Macedonian
>Government felt complacent, and did nothing to address issues properly.
>
>Macedonian Government at least now should fight the roots of the problem
>i.e. come up with the plan of measures to address the needs and demands of
>Albanians that are not from today or yesterday but have been sitting in
>Macedonian Government's office for years.
>
>
>Imer Berisha
>Cleveland
>Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
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From puka at usa.net  Sat Mar 17 18:32:03 2001
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Sat Mar 17 18:32:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce destroyed
Message-ID: <20010317233133.8038.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net>

"Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3 helikopterave, sot rra njeri
helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para se me dal...

Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed near the scene of the
clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12 policemen, Macedonian and NATO
sources said. 



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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 12:02:12 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue Mar 20 12:02:12 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in Macedonia/Poloce/Army
Message-ID: <F130a0osA91E9GQvnbE0000020b@hotmail.com>


Dear friends and compatriots,

The very core of the problem in Serbia was/is not only Milosevic as a single 
individual/criminal or whatever you may call him.

The main problem in Serbia was and still is the Milisevic in the heads of 
too many Serbs. I am afraid but it is the majority of Serbs that have agreed 
and some of them participated in Serbian policy of killings and deportations 
in Kosova.

It was Serbs that is "ordinary serbs" (again the vast majority) who brought 
Milosevic in power and kept him for so long, until there was no seat left 
for him to try.

It is all to well to be politically correct.  But the truth is that 
Milosevic did not loose elections because of what he did in Kosova but
MILOSEVIC LOST ELECTIONS IN SERBIA BECAUSE HE DID NOT COMPLETE WHAT HE 
STARTED/THAT IS THE EXPULSION OF ALBANIANS FROM KOSOVA.

Not only that, he brought NATO in Kosova too, these are the reasons why 
Milosevic lost, not because Serbs changed their mind towards attrocities 
committed against Albanians in Kosova. They still pretend it was a theatre, 
it did not happen.

The same  explenation applies to Macedonia.  Every single Albanian no matter 
where he/she is from, knows (or should know) how much Macedonians hate 
Albanians and Albanian language in general.  It is a said truth that 
majority of Macedonians does share this feeling, of course together with the 
government.  So I agree that as in Serbia, in Macedonia too the problem is 
not only with the governmental structure, it is wider.

Of course if the Govrnment is a progressive one it can affect the change in 
peoples attitudes by opting in favor of democratic solutions and towards 
accepted standards in relations to its citizens, or towards Albanians in 
this case.

The example of Montenegro shows how much can a government do if it decides 
to distinguish itself and the country from a faschizoid policy, i.e. of 
Milosevic.  It was unimaginable some years ago to talk of differences 
between Serbian and Montenegrin policy, but this is reality now. As was it 
unimaginable for Albanians to escape the attrocities of Milosevic and seek 
refuge in Montenegro (about 50.000).  I think this is appreciated by 
Albanians and shows that we do know and can distinguish "goodies" from the 
"bedies".

The EU and others are slowlly becoming familiar (if they did not know that 
before,I doubt they didn't know) about the position of Albanians in 
Macedonia. No matter how much they are condemning the rebels they do mention 
more and more the problems that need to b addressed. Unfortunattely, as this 
problems are nearly 10 years old and EU did not care for this, this showa 
that they have no prevention mechanism, and they will only act if the there 
is a war. If only few figures are mentioned it is obvious that Albanians in 
Macedonia have been marginalized to the extreme:

Tetova 90% Albanian population,
mind you 80% Ethnic Macedonians as policemen,

Workforce in Macedonia:

- Ethnic Macedonians......................84,5%

- Ethnic Albanians.........................9,4%
(potential workforce is................. 18,5%)    (Source: BBC)


Army and Police Force employees:

_ Ethnic Macedonians......................93,9%

- Ethnic Albanians.........................3.1%     (Source BBC
  (Ethnic Albanian Solders/not employees..40%    (Source: Karl Bild)

Only from this data one can easily infer what are the reasons for the 
unhappiness of Albanians in Macedonia.

Macedonian stance seems to be:

"We did not kill you every day as Serbs killed Albanians in Kosova, so you 
(Albanians in Macedonia) should be lucky to alive"

I'm afraid Albanians do know what are modern standards of a civilized 
society towards ethnic communities and they will not rest until they reach 
them.

Thanks

Imer Berisha

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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 13:20:02 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue Mar 20 13:20:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Things are changing though....
Message-ID: <F154JFziRAVvX6Rm0j2000078dd@hotmail.com>



Dear friend and compatriots,

It is not as bad as it looks   /hello to Mentor Mala: some politicians
                                are shortsighed....let them be..../

A part from an article in the Guardian that shows the changes as anticipated 
towards undersending the reasions why the Albanians are fighting and, that a 
solusion is for Macedonian Govrnment to accept negotioations and change its 
policy.

_________________________________
Nowhere near the brink (Guardian, March 19, 2001) Posted Monday, March 19, 
2001

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,458971,00.html

Nowhere near the brink

Ignore the hysteria. Macedonia is not about to spark a Balkan
conflagration

Jonathan Steele
Monday March 19, 2001
The Guardian


____________________________
.............................

If the gunmen are to remain isolated, a heavy responsibility now
rests on the local politicians of both sides as well as, to a lesser
extent, on western governments. The Albanian leaders in Macedonia and in
Kosovo must go beyond their public condemnations of the gunmen and start
serious discussions with them and their leaders for a ceasefire.

The gunmen have made a point but they must now leave room for political
talks by elected leaders to go forward.

By the same token, the Macedonian military and police must avoid any
escalation. It is clear that Nato is not going to get involved with
troops, beyond a belated tightening up of security on the border between
Kosovo and Macedonia. It is also apparent that the Macedonian security
forces do not have the men, the equipment, or the sophisticated training
to take the gunmen on by themselves. Blasting mortar rounds into
forested hillsides serves little purpose other than as a temporary,
though spurious, morale-booster for Macedonia's Slav majority. But it
carries the risk of civilian casualties which would only serve to
radicalise a wider segment of the Albanian population. The Macedonian
military must avoid the use of excessive force which the Serbs wielded
in Kosovo in 1998, turning the whole Albanian community against them.
If a ceasefire can be achieved quickly, then all sides must be ready
for wide-ranging talks and reasonable concessions.

A decade after its hasty and unprepared independence, Macedonia needs to 
take a deep breath and work out a new dispensation. Albanian leaders must 
make anunequivocal declaration that they do not want to split the state. 
Theymust also renounce federalisation, at least for a 10-year period, in 
return for progress in opening public service jobs to Albanians.

The constitution needs to enshrine multiracialism instead of its current 
assumption of Slav supremacy. Albanian must be recognised as an 
officiallanguage for parliament, the courts and public service. A minority 
as large as a third of the population, as the Albanians are thought to 
be,deserve no less. With common sense in Macedonia, and less hysteria 
outside it, solutions can be found.
_____________________________________________________


Yes, more and more people do understand the reasons, and the way out from 
this crises, Macedonian Gov., will sooner or later change its mind too.

It might only "need" more time, because for them it is difficult to talk 
with Albanians as equal negotiating party, but they will learn this, I'm 
sure.

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From avelinahr at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 18:38:01 2001
From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti)
Date: Tue Mar 20 18:38:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in Macedonia/Poloce/Army
In-Reply-To: <F130a0osA91E9GQvnbE0000020b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010320233713.97970.qmail@web11001.mail.yahoo.com>

What is the solution?
--- Imer Berisha <imerprishtina at hotmail.com> wrote:
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives:
> www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> 
> 
> Dear friends and compatriots,
> 
> The very core of the problem in Serbia was/is not
> only Milosevic as a single 
> individual/criminal or whatever you may call him.
> 
> The main problem in Serbia was and still is the
> Milisevic in the heads of 
> too many Serbs. I am afraid but it is the majority
> of Serbs that have agreed 
> and some of them participated in Serbian policy of
> killings and deportations 
> in Kosova.
> 
> It was Serbs that is "ordinary serbs" (again the
> vast majority) who brought 
> Milosevic in power and kept him for so long, until
> there was no seat left 
> for him to try.
> 
> It is all to well to be politically correct.  But
> the truth is that 
> Milosevic did not loose elections because of what he
> did in Kosova but
> MILOSEVIC LOST ELECTIONS IN SERBIA BECAUSE HE DID
> NOT COMPLETE WHAT HE 
> STARTED/THAT IS THE EXPULSION OF ALBANIANS FROM
> KOSOVA.
> 
> Not only that, he brought NATO in Kosova too, these
> are the reasons why 
> Milosevic lost, not because Serbs changed their mind
> towards attrocities 
> committed against Albanians in Kosova. They still
> pretend it was a theatre, 
> it did not happen.
> 
> The same  explenation applies to Macedonia.  Every
> single Albanian no matter 
> where he/she is from, knows (or should know) how
> much Macedonians hate 
> Albanians and Albanian language in general.  It is a
> said truth that 
> majority of Macedonians does share this feeling, of
> course together with the 
> government.  So I agree that as in Serbia, in
> Macedonia too the problem is 
> not only with the governmental structure, it is
> wider.
> 
> Of course if the Govrnment is a progressive one it
> can affect the change in 
> peoples attitudes by opting in favor of democratic
> solutions and towards 
> accepted standards in relations to its citizens, or
> towards Albanians in 
> this case.
> 
> The example of Montenegro shows how much can a
> government do if it decides 
> to distinguish itself and the country from a
> faschizoid policy, i.e. of 
> Milosevic.  It was unimaginable some years ago to
> talk of differences 
> between Serbian and Montenegrin policy, but this is
> reality now. As was it 
> unimaginable for Albanians to escape the attrocities
> of Milosevic and seek 
> refuge in Montenegro (about 50.000).  I think this
> is appreciated by 
> Albanians and shows that we do know and can
> distinguish "goodies" from the 
> "bedies".
> 
> The EU and others are slowlly becoming familiar (if
> they did not know that 
> before,I doubt they didn't know) about the position
> of Albanians in 
> Macedonia. No matter how much they are condemning
> the rebels they do mention 
> more and more the problems that need to b addressed.
> Unfortunattely, as this 
> problems are nearly 10 years old and EU did not care
> for this, this showa 
> that they have no prevention mechanism, and they
> will only act if the there 
> is a war. If only few figures are mentioned it is
> obvious that Albanians in 
> Macedonia have been marginalized to the extreme:
> 
> Tetova 90% Albanian population,
> mind you 80% Ethnic Macedonians as policemen,
> 
> Workforce in Macedonia:
> 
> - Ethnic Macedonians......................84,5%
> 
> - Ethnic Albanians.........................9,4%
> (potential workforce is................. 18,5%)   
> (Source: BBC)
> 
> 
> Army and Police Force employees:
> 
> _ Ethnic Macedonians......................93,9%
> 
> - Ethnic Albanians.........................3.1%    
> (Source BBC
>   (Ethnic Albanian Solders/not employees..40%   
> (Source: Karl Bild)
> 
> Only from this data one can easily infer what are
> the reasons for the 
> unhappiness of Albanians in Macedonia.
> 
> Macedonian stance seems to be:
> 
> "We did not kill you every day as Serbs killed
> Albanians in Kosova, so you 
> (Albanians in Macedonia) should be lucky to alive"
> 
> I'm afraid Albanians do know what are modern
> standards of a civilized 
> society towards ethnic communities and they will not
> rest until they reach 
> them.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Imer Berisha
> 
>
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 20:50:02 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue Mar 20 20:50:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] What is the solution? There is a solution.
Message-ID: <F138rAxPRlXgu5Gad6b00008557@hotmail.com>

Dear Mr./Miss Springhetti,
Please read this article (i.e. portin of the same published yesterday).

You will see where the solution lies, about the end of the article.

By the way the author is not an Albanian.

___________________________
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in 
>Macedonia/Poloce/Army
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:37:13 -0800 (PST)
>
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e

>
>What is the solution?
___________________________

>Dear friend and compatriots,
>
>It is not as bad as it looks
>
>
>A part from an article in the Guardian that shows the changes as 
>anticipated
>towards undersending the reasions why the Albanians are fighting and, that 
>a
>solusion is for Macedonian Govrnment to accept negotioations and change its
>policy.
>
>_________________________________
>Nowhere near the brink (Guardian, March 19, 2001) Posted Monday, March 19,
>2001
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,458971,00.html
>
>Nowhere near the brink
>
>Ignore the hysteria. Macedonia is not about to spark a Balkan
>conflagration
>
>Jonathan Steele
>Monday March 19, 2001
>The Guardian
>
>
>____________________________
>.............................
>
>If the gunmen are to remain isolated, a heavy responsibility now
>rests on the local politicians of both sides as well as, to a lesser
>extent, on western governments. The Albanian leaders in Macedonia and in
>Kosovo must go beyond their public condemnations of the gunmen and start
>serious discussions with them and their leaders for a ceasefire.
>
>The gunmen have made a point but they must now leave room for political
>talks by elected leaders to go forward.
>
>By the same token, the Macedonian military and police must avoid any
>escalation. It is clear that Nato is not going to get involved with
>troops, beyond a belated tightening up of security on the border between
>Kosovo and Macedonia. It is also apparent that the Macedonian security
>forces do not have the men, the equipment, or the sophisticated training
>to take the gunmen on by themselves. Blasting mortar rounds into
>forested hillsides serves little purpose other than as a temporary,
>though spurious, morale-booster for Macedonia's Slav majority. But it
>carries the risk of civilian casualties which would only serve to
>radicalise a wider segment of the Albanian population. The Macedonian
>military must avoid the use of excessive force which the Serbs wielded
>in Kosovo in 1998, turning the whole Albanian community against them.
>If a ceasefire can be achieved quickly, then all sides must be ready
>for wide-ranging talks and reasonable concessions.
>
>A decade after its hasty and unprepared independence, Macedonia needs to
>take a deep breath and work out a new dispensation. Albanian leaders must
>make anunequivocal declaration that they do not want to split the state.
>Theymust also renounce federalisation, at least for a 10-year period, in
>return for progress in opening public service jobs to Albanians.
>
>The constitution needs to enshrine multiracialism instead of its current
>assumption of Slav supremacy. Albanian must be recognised as an
>officiallanguage for parliament, the courts and public service. A minority
>as large as a third of the population, as the Albanians are thought to
>be,deserve no less. With common sense in Macedonia, and less hysteria
>outside it, solutions can be found.
>_____________________________________________________
>
>
>Yes, more and more people do understand the reasons, and the way out from
>this crises, Macedonian Gov., will sooner or later change its mind too.
>
>It might only "need" more time, because for them it is difficult to talk
>with Albanians as equal negotiating party, but they will learn this, I'm
>sure.
>
>_________________________________________________________________________

>From: "A. Springhetti" <avelinahr at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in 
>Macedonia/Poloce/Army
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:37:13 -0800 (PST)
>
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>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e

>
>What is the solution?
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 21:00:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue Mar 20 21:00:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] What is the solution? There is a solution.
Message-ID: <F58ltovgyMok0MQdzcG000083f0@hotmail.com>

Dear Mr./Miss Springhetti,
Please read this article (i.e. portin of the same published yesterday).

You will see where the solution lies, about the end of the article.

By the way the author is not an Albanian.

___________________________
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in 
>Macedonia/Poloce/Army
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:37:13 -0800 (PST)
>
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e

>
>What is the solution?
___________________________

>Dear friend and compatriots,
>
>It is not as bad as it looks
>
>
>A part from an article in the Guardian that shows the changes as 
>anticipated
>towards undersending the reasions why the Albanians are fighting and, that 
>a
>solusion is for Macedonian Govrnment to accept negotioations and change its
>policy.
>
>_________________________________
>Nowhere near the brink (Guardian, March 19, 2001) Posted Monday, March 19,
>2001
>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,458971,00.html
>
>Nowhere near the brink
>
>Ignore the hysteria. Macedonia is not about to spark a Balkan
>conflagration
>
>Jonathan Steele
>Monday March 19, 2001
>The Guardian
>
>
>____________________________
>.............................
>
>If the gunmen are to remain isolated, a heavy responsibility now
>rests on the local politicians of both sides as well as, to a lesser
>extent, on western governments. The Albanian leaders in Macedonia and in
>Kosovo must go beyond their public condemnations of the gunmen and start
>serious discussions with them and their leaders for a ceasefire.
>
>The gunmen have made a point but they must now leave room for political
>talks by elected leaders to go forward.
>
>By the same token, the Macedonian military and police must avoid any
>escalation. It is clear that Nato is not going to get involved with
>troops, beyond a belated tightening up of security on the border between
>Kosovo and Macedonia. It is also apparent that the Macedonian security
>forces do not have the men, the equipment, or the sophisticated training
>to take the gunmen on by themselves. Blasting mortar rounds into
>forested hillsides serves little purpose other than as a temporary,
>though spurious, morale-booster for Macedonia's Slav majority. But it
>carries the risk of civilian casualties which would only serve to
>radicalise a wider segment of the Albanian population. The Macedonian
>military must avoid the use of excessive force which the Serbs wielded
>in Kosovo in 1998, turning the whole Albanian community against them.
>If a ceasefire can be achieved quickly, then all sides must be ready
>for wide-ranging talks and reasonable concessions.
>
>A decade after its hasty and unprepared independence, Macedonia needs to
>take a deep breath and work out a new dispensation. Albanian leaders must
>make anunequivocal declaration that they do not want to split the state.
>Theymust also renounce federalisation, at least for a 10-year period, in
>return for progress in opening public service jobs to Albanians.
>
>The constitution needs to enshrine multiracialism instead of its current
>assumption of Slav supremacy. Albanian must be recognised as an
>officiallanguage for parliament, the courts and public service. A minority
>as large as a third of the population, as the Albanians are thought to
>be,deserve no less. With common sense in Macedonia, and less hysteria
>outside it, solutions can be found.
>_____________________________________________________
>
>
>Yes, more and more people do understand the reasons, and the way out from
>this crises, Macedonian Gov., will sooner or later change its mind too.
>
>It might only "need" more time, because for them it is difficult to talk
>with Albanians as equal negotiating party, but they will learn this, I'm
>sure.
>
>_________________________________________________________________________

>From: "A. Springhetti" <avelinahr at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Discrimination against Albanians in 
>Macedonia/Poloce/Army
>Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:37:13 -0800 (PST)
>
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>
>What is the solution?
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From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 21 14:26:41 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed Mar 21 14:26:41 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Action needed!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103211411510.23390-100000@alb-net.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>>    R E A D    AND   D I S T R I B U T E  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The following shows that BBC (and others) taking serioussely the
responses/feedback they get.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_1231000/1231762.stm

I think it is time for action. Please visit the site (an similar sites at
CNN, Yahoo, Altavista, AP, AOl, etrc..) and rise your voice in defence of
Human and Civil Rights for Albanians in Macedonia.

For poinst to talk about, please visit the following site:

 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/humanrights.htm

later,
Mentor



From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 21 16:11:29 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed Mar 21 16:11:29 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Press-Release: Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103211459340.23390-100000@alb-net.com>

PLEASE distribute as wide as you can!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:50:02 -0500
Subject: Press-Release: Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC)

____________________________________________________________________

 >>>>>    Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<<
                 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

____________________________________________________________________

 The Alb-Net Group is pleased to announce the launching of the
 new site, the Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC).

 	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/

 The site covers the ongoing situation in Macedonia with daily
 news-updates as well as developments with Human and Civil Right
 issues.

 Daily News-Updates:

	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/news.htm

 Human and Civil Rights Issues Coverage:

	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/humanrights.htm

 To contact us please e-mail at amcc-info at alb-net.com

 Sincerely,
 AMCC Webmaster
 Alb-Net.Com Group

____________________________________________________________________

 >>>>>    Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<<
                 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

____________________________________________________________________



From begra at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 08:28:03 2001
From: begra at yahoo.com (Besnik)
Date: Fri Mar 23 08:28:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Searching an Albanian terrorist
Message-ID: <001b01c0b39d$008f42c0$20549284@dhcp.msn.bt.co.uk>


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From Peacemaker526 at aol.com  Fri Mar 23 15:22:10 2001
From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com (Peacemaker526 at aol.com)
Date: Fri Mar 23 15:22:10 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Searching an Albanian terrorist
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It is not uncommon for warring factions to use the most innocent of means to 
accomplish their acts of war. Would you have the soldiers be less than 
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From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri Mar 23 15:54:11 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri Mar 23 15:54:11 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] **ALERT** Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned! Macedonian security
 banns  the distribution of FAKTI international edition Posted Friday, March
 23, 2001 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103231350100.15699-100000@alb-net.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:09:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com>
To: Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center News & Information
    <amcc-news at alb-net.com>
Subject: **ALERT** Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned! Macedonian security
    banns  the distribution of FAKTI international edition Posted Friday,
     March 23, 2001


*** ALERT ***
Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned!

Announcement from Shkupi daily newspaper on Albanian language FAKTI

Macedonian security banns the distribution of FAKTI international edition.
- Shkup, 23. 03. 2001 -

The Editor of Shkupi-based daily newspaper on Albanian language FAKTI
informs the public that the Macedonian State Security has banned the
distribution of the international edition of this newspaper to some of the
west European countries.

The entire circulation of the FAKTI-International, dedicated to
Switzerland, was confiscated amd banned for further distribution on March
22, 20001 ate 0700hrs at the International Airport in Shkupi.

This is the first time that the Macedonian security forces would ban the
distribution of some newspaper. Therefore, the Editor of FAKTI demands
from the Macedonian authorities to respect the Article 16 of the
Constitution of Macedonia and Article 10 of the European Human Rights
Convention that guarantee freedom of obtaining and transmitting
informations or ideas, without interference by state institutions and
regardless of state borders and allow the free distribution of FAKTI from
Skopje to Zurich.

Daily Newspaper FAKTI





From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri Mar 23 18:07:43 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri Mar 23 18:07:43 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] map of Macedonia showing Albanian in habited areas
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103231804120.15699-100000@alb-net.com>

I'll appreciate very much if someone can point me to a map of Macedonia
where Albanian inhabited areas are highlighted/marked.

thanks,
Mentor



From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 23 19:13:02 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri Mar 23 19:13:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Searching an Albanian terrorist
Message-ID: <F24hUOM9Ku7Uw8n9JGR0000cc46@hotmail.com>

To peacemaker:

Does this mean killing people that hold cell phones???

If policemen are scared to death, this does not give them the right to kill 
anyone they want. Or maybe they can if the target happen to be an Albanian 
civilian.

I am sure that sooner or later wee will reach the stage where an Albanian 
life will have to be accepted as equal to a Macedonian life, or any other 
life, for that reason.

What Albanians want is equality with Macedonians.  No more no less.

Of course Albanians do want and will in the future be part of the wider EU 
that is emerging, but not at any cost that is not as a second class citizens 
or slaves. The sooner the international powers or so called "community" 
understands this the better.  No person wants to fight just like that, for 
the sake of imitating "Rambo" or any other "hero" from TV screen.

There are reasons that have been there all along for decades in Macedonia 
showing discrimination, and EU knows that very well.
The sad truth is that if people do not fight nobody cares.

I think I have said enough.

Imer

________________________________________________

>From: Peacemaker526 at aol.com
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Searching an Albanian terrorist
>Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:14:44 EST
>
>It is not uncommon for warring factions to use the most innocent of means 
>to
>accomplish their acts of war. Would you have the soldiers be less than
>thorough?

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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 24 23:42:03 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sat Mar 24 23:42:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
Message-ID: <F157ZAhC4Xc9eN0vkvJ000067e3@hotmail.com>


There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the problem/solution 
is.

This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
________________________________________
Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of everyone 
to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as we 
have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us to 
live together.
Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
________________________________________


Regards,

Imer



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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 24 23:44:02 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sat Mar 24 23:44:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
Message-ID: <F115LfL4q1wsSOZFNeR00004613@hotmail.com>


There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the problem/solution 
is.

This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
________________________________________
Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of everyone 
to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as we 
have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us to 
live together.
Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
________________________________________


Regards,

Imer



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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Sun Mar 25 11:04:01 2001
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Sun Mar 25 11:04:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
References: <F157ZAhC4Xc9eN0vkvJ000067e3@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c0b545$77442760$f4e086d4@pbncomputer>

hej imer,
mos u habit se ky "Goran" munet me kane shqiptare.
une e kam qu ,nuk me kujtohet ne cilen "talking point" nje message te tille
me emrin "Goran nga Skopje, Macedonia".
...
vec propagande

----- Original Message -----
From: Imer Berisha <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
To: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <ixd4 at po.cwru.edu>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:41 AM
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have
to Alb.


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>
>
> There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the
problem/solution
> is.
>
> This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
> ________________________________________
> Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of
everyone
> to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as we
> have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us to
> live together.
> Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
> ________________________________________
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Imer
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________________
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 25 11:21:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sun Mar 25 11:21:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
Message-ID: <F57GGmNN79xavjrRZ1U00007d27@hotmail.com>

Per "rdeliu"-n,

Te falemnderir per sqarim........



>From: "rdelia" <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we 
>have to Alb.
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:05:50 +0100
>
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>hej imer,
>mos u habit se ky "Goran" munet me kane shqiptare.
>une e kam qu ,nuk me kujtohet ne cilen "talking point" nje message te tille
>me emrin "Goran nga Skopje, Macedonia".
>...
>vec propagande
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Imer Berisha <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>To: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <ixd4 at po.cwru.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:41 AM
>Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have
>to Alb.
>
>
> >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> >
> >
> >
> > There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the
>problem/solution
> > is.
> >
> > This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
> > ________________________________________
> > Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of
>everyone
> > to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as 
>we
> > have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us 
>to
> > live together.
> > Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
> > ________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Imer
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>_________________________________________________________________________
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>
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 25 11:23:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sun Mar 25 11:23:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
Message-ID: <F101oBJHsxPCFj2AhGw0000e3b3@hotmail.com>

Per "rdeliu"-n,

Te falemnderit per sqarim........



>From: "rdelia" <rdelia at ukonline.co.uk>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we 
>have to Alb.
>Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:05:50 +0100
>
>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>hej imer,
>mos u habit se ky "Goran" munet me kane shqiptare.
>une e kam qu ,nuk me kujtohet ne cilen "talking point" nje message te tille
>me emrin "Goran nga Skopje, Macedonia".
>...
>vec propagande
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Imer Berisha <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>To: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <ixd4 at po.cwru.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 4:41 AM
>Subject: [Prishtina-E] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have
>to Alb.
>
>
> >              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
> >         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> >
> >
> >
> > There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the
>problem/solution
> > is.
> >
> > This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
> > ________________________________________
> > Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of
>everyone
> > to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as 
>we
> > have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us 
>to
> > live together.
> > Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
> > ________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Imer
> >
> >
> >
> > 
>_________________________________________________________________________
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> >
>
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From dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 26 06:04:02 2001
From: dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca (Dorin Gheciu)
Date: Mon Mar 26 06:04:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
References: <000401bd5673$d65a1ea0$35c2dc3e@nic.mpt.com.mk>
Message-ID: <002001c0b232$f6036360$650aa8c0@sympatico.ca>

Dear Sasko,

I believe there are not many Slav Macedonians living in Albania. However, you are right, Albanians do enjoy some political rights in Macedonia, and the Macedonian administration has treated the Albanians better than the Serbs did. However, there is still inequity in Macedonia regarding the Albanians. Many foreign, impartial observers have noticed that there is a rather crass job discrimination against them, and they do not receive a proportionate share of government services. Also, Albanian language should be an official language in Macedonia, due to the very large proportion of Albanians. The government should fund an Albanian-speaking University, the same way it funds the Macedonian-speaking Universities, since Albanians also pay taxes. Albanians should enjoy the same rights as sizeable minorities in all civilized countries, for instance the French-speaking Canadians, Swiss or Belgians. Treating minorities fairly and with the utmost respect has not led to the disintegration of those countries. On the contrary, it is the main reason for their prosperity and social peace. 

In spite of this, I don't believe there is deliberate, malevolent persecution of Albanians in Macedonia (like it used to be in Kosova). It is more a case of nepotism: in a poor country, people tend to take care first of their relatives and friends. Also, there is unjustified fear about the disintegration of  Macedonia. Actually, Albania and Albanians have a vested interest in the survival of Macedonia. The two peoples should be natural allies: both have suffered a lot in the past. They have  been victims of the most brutal persecution from their rapacious neighbors, like Greece and others. 

In fact, I am sure that the Macedonians will end up granting the Albanians their legitimate, minority rights, and Macedonia will prosper. Additionally, Macedonia will have no better friend and supporter than Albania. Unlike other Balkan nations, Albanians are not inclined towards occupying and oppressing other peoples.

Yours sincerely,
D.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sasko Karakulev 

  Hi my dear frinds

  I'm apologise for my comment but I'll say, PLEASE DONT BE BLIND !!!
  Here are three facts

  1. Macedonia have 17 sectors in goverment, in those 17 five of ministers are Albanines, minister of justice, minister od Economy 
  minister of Works and social politics, etc, etc... Also alabnies have 7 vice ministers in goverment.
  Where in the world is same as here. Please tell me how much Macedonian ministers  had Albanien gouverment?? No one !!
  it is the thruth. It is very very sorrow for You my dears.
  2  Few mounth ago was the election in the Macedonian parliament for president of parliament. In those elections
  was proposed Mr. Haliti from PDP "Also where in the world the situations is the same." Tha fact that Haliti is not the
  president of Macedonian parliament is that alabninas from PDSH in parliement voted against Haliti. It is the truth my sorrow dear.
  Please tell me, is possoble someone from Macedonian hwo lives in Albania to be president of albanian parliament.???
  Ha Ha HA I'm sure taht You think and will say never never never.
  3 As the situatin going on, the situation is worsed in Monetenegro also the problem are You my dear. 
  The world finaly can not understand how only the Alabanian people cant live with none around him.
  It is possible to for example for me to hate someone but to hate everything around me then the problem is inside me.

  Now the situation in Maceedonia is the beeg shame for us Alabaniens people so please be patient and give peace a chance, every
  problem need to be soved trough the institution of system. I dont like to give my brother live or my live for someone hwo work
  on the black market and now fight for his own interest.


  Sali 
  Macedonia


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From kbejko at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 26 06:06:02 2001
From: kbejko at hotmail.com (Kreshnik Bejko)
Date: Mon Mar 26 06:06:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-Club] Re: [Albanian-UK] People please
Message-ID: <F62xOjIL2jpWkfb81If000010c1@hotmail.com>

Ok, it's about time to stop attacking these people based
on who they feel they are. If a Macedonian feels Macedonian that's his/her 
business. If a Macedonian tramples on the Albanians' right THEN it is our 
business. Time has come to put our heads together and figure out a way for a 
brighter future for all Albanians now that changes in Kosova,and Macedonia 
seem inevitable, and Albanian politics is more fractured then ever in all of 
the Albanian entities in the Balkans. Time has come to end
parochialism and look forward to a great future in Europe
(which, incidentally, in our folk tradition is referred to as The Old 
Whore).





>From: "Valon Hamiti" <valon_hamiti at hotmail.com>
>Hi Sasko,

I'm afraid that these facts presented by you don't make any sense at all.  
I've been may times in so called Macedonia,  I'm saying this because the 
name of this Balkanic state is not defined as is is called FYROM, this means 
the there is not at all macedonian people, but you must admit that you are 
just a sllav, maybe of bulgarian or serbian origin, and "macedonian 
language" as far as I understand is just a combination between serb and 
bulgarian words that make up sentences, that match enough to communicate 
properly, thus they make up "macedonian" language. So after all your 
natiaonal identity as  is uncertain.


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From dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 26 06:07:38 2001
From: dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca (Dorin Gheciu)
Date: Mon Mar 26 06:07:38 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Fw: [ALBANIAN] [Alb-Club] Re: [Albanian-UK] People please
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dorin Gheciu 
To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU ; alb-club at alb-net.com ; albanian-uk at alb-net.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] [Alb-Club] Re: [Albanian-UK] People please


I have been criticized by an Albanian in Prishtina because I advocated that Albanians in Macedonia should not break that country if they receive equal rights with Slav Macedonians. I also said that Albania and Macedonia should be allies. This Albanian said that Albanians should fight to remove all Slavs from their lands, partly because he was treated like crap while visiting Macedonia.

I respect his opinion, and I deplore the indignities Albanians have to suffer in Serbia, Macedonia, Kosova, Greece, etc. I am aware of the fact that Slav Macedonians have not treated Albanians fairly since they got their independence 10 years ago. However, I don't think the Macedonian Slavs have ever committed against the Albanians the kind of atrocities that Serbs did. The Macedonian Slavs have been themselves victims of racial persecution at the hands of Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians. It seems they consider themselves a completely distinct people. This is an attitude that Albanians should encourage, not deride (it would be bad if they would regard themselves as Serbs, for instance).

I advocate an eventual alliance between Albania and Macedonia (after Macedonia hopefully grants equal rights to their Albanian citizens) because it would benefit both countries. Albania badly needs an ally in the Balkans. It would be disastruous to pit Albania against the rest of the world, like Enver Hoxha did. Here are the advantages for Albania and Albanians:

1. It would disipate the theory advanced by Albania's enemies that Albanians hate all the Slavs. It is very damaging to the Albanian interests. There are a lot of Slavs in the World, and they yield a lot of influence. Russia is still the World's second strongest country, and it also has the political power to grant or not to grant independence to Kosova.

2. Both Macedonians and Albanians have suffered a lot at the hands of the Greek racists. Together, they stand a better chance to get redress (reparation) for past injustices. 

3. It will disipate the theory advanced by Albania's enemies (but foolishly believed by some Albanians, too) that the unrest in Kosova and Macedonia is just a war between Christians and Moslems, or between Christians and Turks. If this were the case, Albanians would not enjoy any meaningful international support.

4. It will make possible further alliances with Romania, Bulgaria and other Balkan states.  

To conclude, I think an alliance between Albania and Macedonia would greatly improve the chances of independence for Kosova, and would greatly improve the international image of Albania and Albanians. Such an alliance would also greatly benefit Macedonia, who is literally surrounded by rapacious neighbours, and also needs a route to the Adriatic Sea. If Albania and Albanians would dangle the prospect of an alliance in the face of the Macedonian administration, they may quickly get equal rights in Macedonia. 

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From begra at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 06:09:23 2001
From: begra at yahoo.com (Besnik)
Date: Mon Mar 26 06:09:23 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
References: <000401bd5673$d65a1ea0$35c2dc3e@nic.mpt.com.mk> <002001c0b232$f6036360$650aa8c0@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <006701c0b2b6$47eed3c0$20549284@dhcp.msn.bt.co.uk>

Dear Dorin,

I generally like your postings and believe that you are trying to be very objective when putting your arguments forward, I commend you for this. It is because of this that I am responding to your posting, which I think is generally correct with the exception of the following.

"...In spite of this, I don't believe there is deliberate, malevolent persecution of Albanians in Macedonia (like it used to be in Kosova). It is more a case of nepotism: in a poor country, people tend to take care first of their relatives and friends..."

This is not as simple as you are portraying it here. Your statement is true to a degree, but you can not rule out completely the deliberate persecution. The reasons behind this deliberate and coordinated persecuting against Albanians I believe is the result of deeply rooted albanofobia. Add to this the racism (most Macedonians believe that they are better nation than Albanians, sentiment shared with the Serbs) and it explains a lot in official Macedonian behaviour towards Albanians.

To illustrate what am I saying I will ask anyone to recall the treatment Kosovar Albanian refugees received from the Macedonian border guards and the police. 

However having been, albeit very briefly, to Macedonia couple of times last year, I must say that Macedonians have moved in positive direction in their attitude towards Albanians. But the speed and the breadth of this movement is obviously not satisfactorily for Albanians who live in Macedonia. And who can be a better judge of this than the Albanians who live daily under that regime.

While your above paragraph can be a matter of opinion, that can not be said for the following one, which is what really prompted me to reply.

"...In fact, I am sure that the Macedonians will end up granting the Albanians their legitimate, minority rights, and Macedonia will prosper..."

If you have followed what is going on in Macedonia, you should have noticed that this is one of the crucial elements of Albanians discontent. They are not a minority in Macedonia, when an ethnic group constitutes over 30% of the population it is not a minority any more. That is why they are asking that Macedonian constitution should be change to state that Macedonia is a state of all its citizens and not only Macedonian speaking population. 

Albanians is Macedonia are not asking for a minority rights, they are asking for the rights that every Macedonian citizen is entitled to. 

I do not wish to elaborate any further because I believe that you understand most of the issues, I just wanted to draw your attention to this very important oversight.

best regards

Besnik





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From Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com  Mon Mar 26 06:12:37 2001
From: Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com (Ahmetaj, Ramis)
Date: Mon Mar 26 06:12:37 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] They did it again!
Message-ID: <D28C5BE01ECBD41198ED00D0B7E4C9DAB833B5@gsny31e.et.gs.com>

Its extremely disapointing to start the day reading the article below.  It
seems that Albanian "leaders" are just not able to comprehend the damage
that irresponsible statements, such as the one cited in the article, cause.
Until recently, I was but hopeful that we have grown as a nation, that our
self-proclaimed "leaders" have grown as politicians.  This only convinces me
of the opposite.  I'd like to know what are they thinking about.  But, than
who cares what the people want.  As long as we do as Europeans tells us.  I
can not even comprehend the posssibility that "leaders" of the largest
political parties of Kosova, labeling the people who are fighting for the
Albanian cause as "extremists".  How many more times do they have to
screw-up before the Albanian people begins holding them accountable?

Ramis Ahmetaj

Kosovo Leaders Tell Macedonia Rebels to Stop Fight 
PRISTINA (Reuters) - Kosovo Albanian political leaders urged extremist
groups in Macedonia on Friday to lay down their arms immediately and return
home. 
The statement followed heavy pressure from Western governments on Kosovo
Albanian leaders to distance themselves from the ethnic Albanian guerrilla
group operating in Macedonia. 
The statement by the province's three main political leaders also called on
Macedonian security forces to show restraint and urged the authorities to
resolve the grievances of ethnic Albanians in Macedonia. 
``We, the leaders of the political parties in Kosovo, call on the extremist
groups which have taken up arms on the territory of Macedonia to lay them
down immediately and to return to their homes peacefully,'' the statement
said. 
``We urge the Macedonian government to show restraint and to address and to
resolve the grievances through peaceful and democratic means,'' the
declaration added. 
It was signed by Ibrahim Rugova, the leader of the Democratic League of
Kosovo, and two former leaders of the Kosovo Liberation Army, Hashim Thaci
and Ramush Haradinaj, the province's United Nations administration said. 
Kosovo Albanians identify strongly with their ethnic kin over the border in
Macedonia. 
Students held two demonstrations in the Kosovo capital Pristina this week in
support of Macedonian Albanians and the guerrilla group which has emerged
there over the past few weeks. 
But Western leaders, including European officials who visited Pristina on
Thursday, have made clear to Kosovo leaders they risk losing international
aid and support if they foment instability in Macedonia. 
The U.N. said the leaders' declaration followed an hour-long meeting on
Friday with Kosovo's U.N. governor, Hans Haekkerup of Denmark, and
discussions with the EU delegation
 


From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Mar 26 16:07:12 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Mon Mar 26 16:07:12 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Kumtesa: Demonstrate per lirine e shqiptareve ne Maqedoni
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	Kumtese: Demonstrat? p?r lirin? e shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni

Njoftohet gjith? komunitetit Shqiptar I Amerik?s dhe Kanadas? se m? dat?n 2
prill (e h?n?) 2001 n? ora 10 e 30 minuta t? m?ngjesit do t? mbahet nj?
demonstrat? e fuqishme para Kombeve t? Bashkuara (47 rruga, Avenu e Par?).
Demonstrat?n e organizon Fondi "Liria Komb?tare" n? bashkpunim me
komunitetin Shqiptar n? SHBA dhe Kanada.

	Vendi: Para Kombeve t? Bashkuara (47 rruga, Avenu e Par?)
	Dita:  E Hene, 2 Prill, 2001
	Koha:  10:30AM

Ftohen t? gjith? bashkatdhetar?t,p?rfaqsuesit e institucioneve fetare,
partive e shoqatave,organizatave e fondacioneve t? marrin pjes? n? k?t?
demonstrate paq?sore p?r t? ngritur z?rin e protest?s ndaj shkeljes s?
t? drejtave t? shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni.

Koha nuk pret ! ?sht? momenti historik q? Shqiptar?t t? fitojn? t? drejtat
e tyre t? mohuara nga pushteti maqedon.?sht? momenti q? t? gjith?
shqiptar?t t? p?rkrahin luft?n e shqiptar?ve p?r liri e demokraci.

Stop terrorit maqedon ndaj shqiptar?ve.Stop aksioneve t? ushtris? e
policies maqedonasendaj shqiptar?ve.

Shqiptar?t e Maqedosnis? duan lirin? e plot? komb?tare mbrenda kufirit te
shtetit t? Maqedonis?.

Kjo ?sht? e drejta jon? hynore dhe natyrore dhe k?t? t? drejt? nuk ka fuqi
q? t? na e mohoj? askush n? bot?.

I b?jm? thirrje bashk?sis? q? t? gjykoj? politik?n antishqiptare t?
pushtetit maqedon.

T? gjith? n? demonstrat? p?r lirin? e shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni.
T? h?n?n, m? 2 prill 2001.

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From mentor at alb-net.com  Tue Mar 27 12:20:03 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue Mar 27 12:20:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Press-Release: Protest for the freedom of Albanians in Macedonia
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103271209250.25106-100000@alb-net.com>

Please pass this arround...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

		National Freedom Fund in the United States
		Tel: (973) 523-9203    (718) 881-7777

	Protest for the freedom of Albanians in Macedonia

At this time we call on the Albanian community in both the United States
and Canada to partake in a protest set for 10:30 am Monday April 2, 2001 in
front of the United Nations (47 St. and 1st Ave) and later on the steps of
the Macedonian Mission to the United Nations (866 48th St.). The protest is
being organized by the Humanitarian Foundation "National Freedom" (Fondi
Liria Kombetare) incorporation with the Albanian Community in the United
States and Canada.

	When:	Monday, April 2, 2001
	Where:	United Nations (47 St. and 1st Ave)
	Time:	10:30AM

Invited to participate and speak at this peaceful protest are
representatives of various religious, political and private organizations
who will raise the question and the validity of the repressed rights of the
Albanians in Macedonia.

The time is now!! We must seize this historical moment in which the
Albanians must finally obtain their full and legitimate rights that have
ever so been denied in Macedonia. It's at this moment in that all Albanians
must stand and support the fight for freedom and democracy.

Stop Macedonian terror committed against Albanians.
Stop Macedonian military and police aggression towards Albanians.

The Albanians in Macedonia want national and constitutional freedoms within
the borders and institutions of Macedonia. These demands are elementary and
natural and no one in the world has the power to deny them. We call on the
international community to recognize and condemn the social, political and
economic injustices the Albanians have suffered under the Macedonian
government for the past 10 years alone.

All for one, and one for all at the protest for the freedom of the
Albanians in Macedonia.
Monday April 2, 2001




From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 30 10:43:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri Mar 30 10:43:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
Message-ID: <F212oFT3kMUVfNIJWND0000e06a@hotmail.com>

Tung "Dielli" dhe tjere anetare te nderuar te listes....

Ne shqipetaret nuk jemi te shkrete....perkundrazi jemi duke e marr fatin 
tone ne duarte tona.....nuk ka vende per zhgenjim....

Nuk e di sakt se per cilin reagim e ke fjalen, por ajo ndoshta edhe nuk ka 
aqe rendesi. Arsyeja pse po shkruaj eshte se e pash nje doze pesimizmi ne 
porosin tende.  NUk metoj te jeme optimist pa pasur arsye. Arsyerat per te 
qene optimist jane (disa):

E vertete eshte se sllavet e kan veshtire te pajtohen me barazin e 
shqipetareve, po ky eshte nje proces "mesimi" qe ata do ta arrijne me kohe 
se nuk do te kene mundesi tjeter.

Kjo vlen sa i perket Kosoves po edhe sa i perket Maqedonise.

Nuk eshte e vertete se bota eshte kunder shqipetareve.  Solana dhe te tjeret 
jane pjese e nje sistemi propagandues qe ka per qellim dekurajimin e luftave 
tjera te mundeshme ne rajon, por cka eshte me rendesi te gjithe (reporteret, 
politikanet madje edhe maqedonet, pra edhe Solana) pajtohen se ka pas dhe ka 
discriminim ndaj shqipetareve. Pra me rendesi eshte qe i ashtuquajturi 
komunitet nderkombetare e ka kuptuar (une besoj se e ka ditur edhe me pare 
por pasi shqipeteret nuk kan leviz nga vendi as ata nuk jane merzitur), se 
ka arsye per pakenaqesi te shqipetareve, por po mundohen bashke me maqedonet 
ta "ruajne futyren" kinse bisedimet qe pritet te fillojne nuk po behen nga 
presioni i UCK-se, qe kuptohet eshte qesharake se i madh e i vogel, ashtu te 
them e dine se arsyeja e vetme pse te palarat e Maqedonise (siq tha Din 
Mehmeti) iu dolen maqedoneve shovenist ne shesh eshte era e barotit ne 
Tetove dhe rrethine. Pra bisedimet kur te fillojne do te filojne per shkak 
te luftes se UCK-se.

Pra ka vende per optimizem, dhe ate me arsye, sepse te vetmit qe po e 
permendin njefar Kosove te madhe (qe po e degjoj per here te pare!)apo 
Shqiperi te madhe jane maqedonet, ndersa ne shumicen e reagimeve,shkrimeve 
konstatohet se shqipetaret e ndiejn vehten qytetare te rendit te dyte dhe po 
kerkojne barazi me maqedonet.

LUFTA NE TAVOLINEN E BISEDIMEVE

Tani obligimi kalon mbi palen shqipetare qe ne bisedime te insistoj qe 
njehere e pergjithmon te zgjidhen problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.
Me fjale tjera te hartoj platformen e bisedimeve dhe mos te knaqet me nje 
Universitet, apo me do "grimca" te drejtash qe maqedonet na japin. Tan 
gjithkush e din se shqipetaret ne maqedoni jane te gatshem te luftojne per 
te drejtat e tyre, nuk ka rendesi nese jane terheq pjeserisht (UCK nuk e a 
pasur per qelim te pushtoj Maqedonin por ti detyroj maqedonet te bisedojne, 
dhe kjo une jam i sigurt eshte arritur).

Maqedonet me siguri do te mundohen qe te leshojen pe sa me pak. Por shifrat 
jane ne favor te shqipetareve dhe duhet shfrytezuar sa me shume.

Pala shqipetare ne maqedoni duhet te insistoj qe:
-te ndryshohet Kushtetuta (nje variant: shtet i te gjithe qytetareve..
ose shtet i Maqedoneve, Shqipetareve dhe pakicave kombetare....);

-gjuha shqipe te jete gjuhe zurtare ne te gjitha organet shteterore duke 
perfshi edhe qeverine dhe parlamentin(kush nuk e kupton le ti vej 
degjonjeset) duke perdor si analogji me Kosoven ku dhe sot serbet ne te 
gjitha takimet flasin serbisht dhe sigurohet perthimi.

-te kerkohet qe te gjitha shenjat e komunikacionit dhe toponimet te jene ne 
te dy ghuhet;

-mbishkrimet e shitoreve, ndermarrjeve te jene ne te dy gjuhet;

-dokumentacioni si pasaportat, leternjoftimet, certificatat e lindjes etj te 
jene ne dy gjuhe dhe emrat e femijeve te lindur te shkruhenme shkronja 
shqipe e jo te bastardhohen per mungese te shkronjave sllave
(prap anologji te merret Kosova ku UNMIK-u dokumantacionin e leshon ne te dy 
gjuhet);

-te ndyshohet ligji mbi shtetesin duke iu mundesuar ish shtetaseve te RSFJ, 
qe shumica jane shqipetare te marrin shtetesin e Maqedonise;

-Universityeti i Tetoves e jo i Evropes (dhe as i Azise apo Afrikes,nuk 
eshte e vertete se e gjithcka qe vjene nga Evropa eshte qellimemire) te 
zyrtarizohet (eshte me rendesi qe ky Universitet te jate shteterore e jo 
lemosh nga Evropa),pra financimi te behet nga buxheti i Maqedonise, ndersa 
Maqedonia munde ti merr te hollat nga kush te doje;

-te behet analize e kushteve te banimit dhe jeteses ne viset e banuara me 
shqipetare dhe te qiten ne shesh dallimet qe ekzistojne ne infrastrukture 
dhe qe kane qene te qellimta, me plane qe keto te ndyshohen drejte nje 
baraspeshe ne shperndarjen e resurseve ekonomike midis viseve te banuara me 
shqipetare ne njeren ane dhe atyre ku banojne maqedonet ne anen tjeter (ketu 
duhet analize sociale dhe ekonomike e zhvillimit te deritashem te 
Maqedonise);

-te insistohet qe celesi proporcional dmth ne raport me pjesmarrjen e 
shqipetareve ne popullsin e gjithmbarshme te respektohet ne te gjitha 
nivelet e punesimit ne organet shteterore, dhe menjeher te filloj ngritja e 
perqindjes se shqipetareve te punesuar ne keto organe ne pajtim me 
regjistrimin e fundit te popullesise pa e pritur regjistrimin e ri te 
popullsise (dhe korigjimet eventuale sipas regjistrimit te ri te behen me 
vone);

-te behet sa me shpejte regjistrimi i popullsise me pjesmarrjen e vezhguesve 
te huaj qe njehere e mire ta dime sa eshte numri i popullsise dhe perberja e 
saj sipas kombesise;

-te themelohet institucioni i Ombudspersonit per shqyrtimin e ankesave, 
sidomos nga raportet nderetnike, punesimin etj.me pjesmarrjen e OSBE-se.

Keto jane vetem disa pika qe tani mu kujtuan per te cilat pala shqipetare 
duhet te luftoj pran tavoline e qe nuk eshte lufte e lehte...

Ne funde, une jame optimist pra dhe besoj se shume do te mvaret prej nesh
Shqipetaret ne Maqedoni do te fitojne, pyetja e vetme eshte SA DO TE 
FITOJNE?

Ju prshendes

Imer Berisha


>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:42 EST
>
>RESPEKT PER REAGIMIN TEND.
>KISHA ME SHTU NJE TE VERTETE:
>SLLAVET NUK MUNDEN ME U PAJTU ASNJEHERE ME QENE TE BARABART ME SHQIPTARET. 
>QE
>PSE DUHET ME I LUFTUE.
>NE SHQIPTARET MOMENTALISHT JEMI TE SHKRETE SEPSE KERKOJME TE DREJTA TE
>BARABARTA ME TE TJERET E BOTA ESHTE KUNDER....HAH CFARE IRONIE!!!

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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 14:38:02 2001
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Wed Mar  7 14:38:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Albanian-UK] Pyetje
Message-ID: <005e01c0a73e$69a66f60$181786d4@pbncomputer>


mendoj se me se paku tashti na nevojitet per me i hi kesaj punes se perjashtimeve nga partite... cka di une edhe ne kosove ka shkuar perreth nje vit derisa i tere populli u bide se egziston uck. prandaj per mendimin tim eshte e logjikshme qe edhe shqiptaret e maqedonise te mos besojne se ka ushtri shqiptare.

cka une e shohe si shqetesuese eshte fakti se nuk ka perkraje politike nga partite e shqiperise.
gjithashtu partite e kosoves jane shume pasive.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arianit Celaj 
  To: albanian-uk 
  Cc: 'mentor at alb-net.com' 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 6:37 PM
  Subject: [Albanian-UK] Pyetje


  Marre nga 
  <http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1206000/1206589.stm> kesaj here pyetje me qellim te provokimit te pergjigjeve.
   
   " ... They [the NLA] have not found support from any Albanian political structures, starting from the government of Albania to the smallest political parties," said Menduh Thaci, deputy leader of the Democratic Party of Albanians, the biggest Albanian political party in Macedonia. 
  This may be true - but in Kosovo, the Kosovo Liberation Army did not have support from the biggest ethnic Albanian political party. . . "

   

  2 pyetje:

  1) Nga sa munda te lexoj edhe dje ne "Kohen Ditore" , ne Shkup, shqiptaret shume dyshonin ne prejardhjen,  nuk dinin, nuk e perkrahnin UC Kombetare-en e bile njeri (shqiptar nga Shkupi) shkoi edhe aq larg sa sugjeroi se ushtria MaQENdone duhet ti pastroj terroristat e dyshimte. Pasusi i pare i huazuar ilistron edhe ate se edhe partite politike Shqiptare ne Maqedoni jane kunder UC Kombetare-s. 

  A e ndan kete mendim edhe shumica e popullates Shqiptare ne Iliride? Mentor, Flroim, me sa di jeni nga Ilirida, a keni biseduar me njerezit atje? Cfare mendohet atje?

  2) (duke iu referuar pasusit te dyte) A ka qene qendrim partiak ne LDK qe te mos perkrahet UCK-ja? Nese po, a do te duhej qe te perjashtohen nga LDK-ja te gjithe ata anetare te saj te cilet megjithate luftuan apo ju bashkuan UCK-se? 

  Provokativisht

  Arianiti

  Provokativisht

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From Zenelito at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 16:45:02 2001
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Wed Mar  7 16:45:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Albanian-UK] Pyetje
Message-ID: <4e.12728184.27d80595@aol.com>

Me fal po tregom se si e komenton ti deklaraten a Gjorxh Robinson se NATO do 
te konsulltohet qe trupat Jugosllave te patrollojn ne Kufirn mes Kosoves dhe 
Maqedonijes.
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From Zenelito at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 16:52:02 2001
From: Zenelito at aol.com (Zenelito at aol.com)
Date: Wed Mar  7 16:52:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Albanian-UK] Pyetje
Message-ID: <c6.1249ba8c.27d80741@aol.com>

besonnim se  ne qoft se na ndodh nje gje e till qe trupat e Serbe  te 
patrolljn gjat  Kufirt Kosova-Maqedoni  do te na humb nje shans  historike 
pere Kosoven. Ne qofte se na kthen shpinden aleati yn ma i madh  Amerika mos 
vet per neve
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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 10:04:43 2001
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Thu Mar  8 10:04:43 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Albanian-UK] Nato-ja po burgos edhe femna- jo
Message-ID: <002b01c0a7e1$471df640$8cca28c3@pbncomputer>


ajo nuk eshte kapele po eshte shami
dhe e/i arrestuari duket te jete femer
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Arianit Celaj 
  To: albanian-uk 
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [Albanian-UK] Nato-ja po burgos edhe femna- jo


  edhe pse ashtu duket ne shiqim te pare i arrestuari nuk eshte femer. eshte mashkull por me kapele. Shiqojeni nje foto te ngjajshme ne<http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/08/world/08MACE.html>
  Arianiti
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Besim Gerguri [mailto:besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk]
    Sent: 08 March 2001 01:48
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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Sat Mar 10 08:42:02 2001
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Sat Mar 10 08:42:02 2001
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Kjo lufte eshte nxitur nga vete Maqedonia dhe terrori i saj ndaj popullit shqiptar dhe eshte pikerishte vete Maqedonia qe edhe ka mundesi ta ndal kete lufte me njohjen e te drejtave politike te shqiptareve. Vete fakti qe Maqedonia ka zgjedhe luften si zgjidhje te problemit tregon se Maqedonia eshte e gacshme te beje veteshperberjen(shkaterimin e vet) vetem e vetem qe shqiptaret pergjithemon te mbahen nen roberi.
Nuk eshte i rastesishem qe kjo lufte filloi menjehere pas nje marreveshje sekrete ne mes te Maqedonise dhe te Jugoslavise(e njohur me emrin marreveshja per kufijt).
Nga ana tjeter e ashtuquajtura dhune e shqiptareve te Kosoves kunder pakicave serbe eashte akuze e pabaze. Nuk jane shqiptaret ata qe po ushtrojne dhune kunder shkive por jane shkite ata qe po nxisin dhe ushtrojne dhune kunder shqiptareve. Si per shembull rasti i bombardimit te autobsit te shkive afer kufirit Kosove-Shkini ishte veper e sherbimit sekret te shkinise. Dhe nuk ishte e rastesishme qe pikerishte ne ate kohe ministri serb(nuk me kujtohet cili) ishte ne udhetim neper Evrope.
Ndoshta shume me mire do ishte sikur shqiptaret te fillonin se demaskuari armiqte tane ne vend te satanizimit te tyre.

Personalishte mendoj qe kjo lufte nuk ishte e nevojshme,mirepo meqe ajo ka filluar (dhe ishte e nxitur nga vete Maqedonia dmth u imponua) kjo lufte duhet perkrahur. 

pershendetje nga 
Rama

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jashar Berisha <berisha at telia.com>
To: Prishtina-L at alb net .com <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: [Prishtina-l] Nj? shkrim i Shkelzen Maliqit 


> EKSTREMIST?T SHQIPTAR? P?RB?JN? K?RC?NIM P?R RAJONIN
> 
> Politikan?t Shqiptar? duhet t? punojn? p?r t? pak?suar aktivitetet e
> nacionalist?ve ekstremist?
> 
> Nga Shk?lzen Maliqi n? Prishtin?
> 
> Pas kryengritjes n? lugin?n e Preshev?s n? jug t? Serbis?, nj? tjet?r
> kryengritje Shqiptar?sh ka shp?rthyer, k?t? rradh? n? Maqedoni.
> 
> N? ndryshim nga Ushtria Clirimtare e Preshev?s, Medvegj?s dhe Bujanovcit,
> l?vizja e re guerrile ka nj? em?r m? t?rheq?s dhe ambicioz, ushtria
> Clirimtare Komb?tare.
> 
> Shkurtimi i saj ?sht? i nj?jt? me at? t? Ushtris? Clirimtare t? Kosov?s,
> UCK, lufta ?lirimtare e s? cil?s ndaj forcave Serbe ka arritur kulmin me
> bombardimet e vitit t? kaluar t? NATO-s.
> 
> Si rezultat i daljes n? sken? t? k?tyre grupeve radikale, komuniteti
> nd?rkomb?tar tani ka filluar t? shqet?sohet me at? q? ai e konsideron si
> rritje t? militantizmit Shqiptar.
> 
> Shtypi i Shkupit dhe Beogradit, p?rfshir? edhe disa media Per?ndimore, thon?
> se Kosova po eksporton l?vizjet radikale t? cilat nuk k?rc?nojn? vet?m
> Serbin? dhe Maqedonin? por edhe stabilitetin n? t? gjith? rajonin.
> 
> Shqiptar?t po fitojn? imazhin e nj? kombi luft?dash?s, duke z?vend?suar
> Serb?t n? rolin e problematik?ve n? rajon.
> 
> Kjo pikpamje p?rforcohet edhe nga dhuna ndaj Serb?ve dhe pakicave t? tjera
> etnike n? Kosov?. Disa kan? filluar t? shtrojn? pyetjen: A e kan? merituar
> Shqiptar?t e Kosov?s nd?rhyrjen e NATO-s?
> 
> Nd?rsa partit? m? t? m?dha politike n? Kosov? dhe Shqip?ri po tregohen
> inaktive, militant?t Shqiptar? po dalin n? dukje, duke e paraqitur veten si
> drejtuesit patriotik t? t? gjith? kombit.
> 
> Un? e njoh ideologjin?, mentalitetin dhe mitvimin q? q?ndron pas forcave q?
> provokojn? konfliktin e armatosur n? Maqedoni.
> 
> Un? i njoh k?ta patriot? t? flakt? Shqiptar?, ve?an?risht emigrant?t n?
> Europ?. Dhe ata jan? p?rpjekur t? m? bindin q? Maqedonia ?sht? nj? krijim
> artificial, i krijuar n? kurriz t? kombit Shqiptar.
> 
> Ata kan? koh? q? thon? se ndarja e detyruar e kombit Shqiptar ka qen? nj?
> padrejt?si historike, me q?llim p?r t? mos lejuar at? t? jet? i barabart? me
> fqinj?t e tij n? rajon.
> 
> Padrejt?sia do t? vihej n? vend, sipas tyre, duke ndar? maqedonin? n? pjes?t
> Sllave dhe Shqiptare dhe kjo e fundit t? bashkohej me Kosov?n, apo edhe m?
> mir?, t? b?hej pjes? e nj? shteti t? bashkuar t? Shqiptar?ve.
> 
> Pas shp?rb?rjes s? federat?s Jugosllave, disa nga k?ta patriot? kan?
> ndryshuar m?ndjen, duke e kuptuar se ndarja e Maqedonis? ?sht? nj? pun? e
> rrezik?shme, pse jo edhe e pamundur.
> 
> Maqedonia nuk mund t? ndahet pa shkaktuar nj? kriz? t? madhe. Nuk ?sht? nj?
> koincidenc? q? aty jan? dislokuar trupat e NATO-s. Ato kan? qen? prezente
> aty q? prej fillimit t? konfliktit Jugosllav p?r t? parandaluar p?rhapjen e
> tij n? Maqedoni dhe shp?rb?rjen e vendit.
> 
> L?vizjet radikale t? Shqiptar?ve po b?jn? nj? luft? q? nuk munden ta
> fitojn?.
> 
> Ata mund t? ken? t? drejt? t? mendojn? se mund t? shp?rb?jn? Maqedonin?, por
> kjo do t? ishte nj? l?vizje e gabuar strategjike sepse konflikti mund t?
> p?rhapej edhe n? pjes? t? tjera t? rajonit dhe t? provokonte nj? reagim t?
> ashp?r nd?rkomb?tar.
> 
> Ata q? p?rkrahin nj? kryengritje n? Maqedoni jan? naiv? kur mendojn? se
> fuqit? e m?dha, ve?an?risht Amerikan?t, do t? mb?shtesin Shqiptar?t.
> 
> K?to parashikime jan? tep?r t? rrezik?shme, sepse Amerikan?t do t?
> "p?rkrahin" gjithnj? ata q? mb?shtesin interesat e tyre gjeo-strategjike -
> dhe Shqiptar?t duhet ta kuptojn? q? ndarja e Maqedonis? nuk ?sht? pjes? e
> planeve t? SHBA-s?.
> 
> Nuk ka asnj? dyshim q? Maqedonia nuk ?sht? as nj? shtet i q?ndruesh?m dhe as
> nj? zgjidhje ideale. Shqiptar?t kan? kund?rshtime serioze dhe t? bazuara si
> ndaj kushtetut?s s? vendit ashtu edhe ndaj formave t? diskriminimit politik,
> komb?tar dhe ekonomik t? trash?guar q? nga periudha e Jugosllavis?.
> 
> Por Maqedonia duhet t? ekzistoj?. Dhe paralajm?rimet e NATO-s se ajo nuk do
> t? lejoj? destabilizimin e vendit duhet t? merren seriozisht.
> 
> E ashtuquajtura Ushtria Clirimtare Komb?tare ?sht? aktive n? zon?n kufitare
> nd?rmjet Maqedonis? dhe Kosov?s e cila kontrollohet nga NATO-ja, dhe do t?
> ishte nj? gj? shum? e gabuar n?se guerrilat p?rplasen me trupat e Aleanc?s.
> 
> Forcat politike t? Shqiptar?ve n? Kosov? dhe Maqedoni duken t? pafuqishme
> p?r t? parandaluar aktivitetet e grupeve ekstremiste militante.
> 
> Por s? fundi forcat politike duket se kan? filluar t? kuptojn? ndjenj?n q?
> ka lindur n? gjirin e komunitetit nd?rkomb?tar i cili e sheh tani Kosov?n si
> furnizuese t? radikalizimit, dhe kjo ndjenj? mund t? d?mtoj? t? ardhmen
> afatgjat? t? provinc?s.
> 
> Ata e din? se nuk mund t? ket? asnj? zgjidhje ushtarake t? ??shtjes
> Shqiptare.
> 
> Nd?rkoh?, t? gjith? p?rfaq?suesit politik t? Shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni, qoft?
> n? qeveri por edhe ata t? opozit?s, jan? distancuar qart? nga kjo
> kryengritje.
> 
> Ata presin t? mb?shteten n? k?t? drejtim edhe nga koleg?t e tyre n? Shqip?ri
> dhe Kosov?, p?rgjigja e t? cil?ve deri m? tani ka qen? e vak?t dhe konfuze,
> p?r shkak t? konflikteve t? m?dha ideologjike dhe munges?s s? nj? koordinimi
> strategjik.
> 
> Por ato duhet t? zgjidhin problemet e tyre pa humbur koh?, sepse ato duhet
> t? luajn? nj? rol t? r?nd?sish?m n? qet?simin e pasioneve dhe t?
> parandalojn? p?rshkall?zimin e nj? konflikti t? ri.
> 
> Forcat politike Shqiptare jasht? Maqedonis? duhet t? mb?shtesin edhe m?
> fort? njer?z si Arb?n Xhaferri, drejtuesi i Partis? p?r Prosperitet
> Demokratik t? Shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni, t? cil?t kan? d?nuar pa asnj? rezerv?
> militant?t.
> 
> ?sht? e qart? se partit? politike, si n? pushtet ashtu edhe ato t? opozit?s
> duhet t? punojn? m? shum? p?r t? ndaluar grupet radikale t? marrin n? dor?
> fatet e kombit Shqiptar.
> 
> Autori ?sht? shkrimtar dhe drejtuesi i zyr?s s? Radio Europa e Lir? n?
> Prishtin?.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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