From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Jan  5 12:46:02 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri Jan  5 12:46:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Safe House in Prishtina (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0101051244500.9421-100000@alb-net.com>

Does anyone know anything about this project?  Please reply directly.
Etrit.

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 18:20:38 -0500
From: "Dowling, Patricia" <PDowling at PeaceCorps.gov>
To: "'staff at alb-net.com'" <staff at alb-net.com>
Subject: Safe House in Prishtina

Recently I heard about a project called the Safe House in Prishtina.  I am
wondering if this is a project you are affiliated with.  We have a donation
of clothes in which we would like to send with someone we know traveling to
Kosovo.

Please send a brief description of the project along with contact
information and coordinates.

Thank you so much-  warm regards,
Patricia Dowling
pdowling at peacecorps.gov






From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Jan  8 16:05:43 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Mon Jan  8 16:05:43 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Search for professor of political science with knowledge of perse
 cution (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0101081559460.21556-100000@alb-net.com>

Dear listmembers,

If you can help, please contact Eliot directly at: enorman at virtualmk.com

thanks,
Mentor

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Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:09:23 -0500
From: Eliot Norman <enorman at virtualmk.com>
To: "'cana at cs.stevens-tech.edu'" <cana at cs.stevens-tech.edu>
Subject: Search for professor of political science with knowledge of perse
    cution
Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 11:23:13 -0500
Resent-From: Mentor Cana <cana at cs.stevens-tech.edu>
Resent-To: Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com>
Resent-Subject: Search for professor of political science with knowledge of
 perse cution

of albanian minority in Montengero. Do you know of anyone who can speak on
this issue. I have an urgent need to find an expert on conditions for
Albanians living in Montenegro.

Eliot Norman
McCandlish  Kaine
1111 E. Main St. Suite 1500
PO BOX 796
Richmond, Va. 23218
804 775 3815
FAX  804-775 7217
email: enorman at virtualmk.com
web site: www.world-visas.com




From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Jan  8 16:26:02 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Mon Jan  8 16:26:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Minister of health in Kosovo (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0101081622520.21556-100000@alb-net.com>

Dear listmembers,

If you can help, please send your response to; anonimus2000 at go.com

thanks,
Mentor

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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 12:43:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Mircea Ionescu Quintus <anonimus2000 at go.com>
To: mentor at alb-net.com
Subject: Minister of health in Kosovo

Dear Sir/Lady,
Please help me to find out who is the Minister of Health in Kosovo and how I can contact him/her over the phone in the Ministry.
Thanks,
Regards,
Mircea.

PS:It is possible that I sent by mistake other two wrong messages to you with the same subject . Please ignore them. Thanks again!!...

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From wolfgang.benedek at kfunigraz.ac.at  Tue Jan  9 16:08:02 2001
From: wolfgang.benedek at kfunigraz.ac.at (Wolfgang Benedek)
Date: Tue Jan  9 16:08:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: Fwd: Re: Human Right Cente Prishtina-Selection of Director
References: <F181NY30kkZIhTrBoe200001763@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A5B07AB.6E1AB1FE@kfunigraz.ac.at>


Dear colleague,

I was surprised to see You channel a letter of Ms. Kirwin to a number of persons
and organizations, which are partly not involved in this matter. When I have
received the letter of  Ms. Kirwin through Mr. Enver Hoxhaj I asked him in my
capacity of Chairperson of WUS Austria and International Coordinator of the
project from which the position of director and the larger part of the Centre is
funded to provide us all with a full report on the selection procedure. Because
of the holidays this has taken some time, but now it is available. It shows that
nothing spectacular has happened but that Enver Hoxhaj as chair of the selection
committee has changed his mind after its meeting and that the competent Steering
Committee has followed his decision, the reasons for which are made clear in the
report. I'm sorry that the report had to go to so much detail in order to
explain the reasoning and we normally would not share all this information with
this group of people partly unfamiliar with the Centre. But I see no other way
to avoid further damage.

WUS is cooperating well with ABA/CEELI in a number of other places in the
Balcans and therefore we have suggested it for the Board of the Centre. Should
ABA/CEELI in Prishtina want to withdraw which we would regret we would expect a
clear letter to this effect.

With kind regards

Wolfgang Benedek

Chair, WUS Austria


monica tailor wrote:

> >From: Kathleen Kirwin <kdkirwin at yahoo.com>
> >To: WUS Austria - Prishtina Office <pristina at wus-austria.org>, lord at un.org,
> >  sebastian.von-muenchow at omik.org, y.du.pont at academictraining.org,  Zenonas
> >Petrauskas <zenonas.petrauskas at omik.org>,  sandra.horina at univie.ac.at,
> >seci2 at osce.org, b.scholdan at oefse.at,  Zuzana Finger
> ><Zuzana_Finger at hotmail.com>,  "Theodore S. Orlin" <torlin at utica.ucsu.edu>,
> >hrap at utica.ucsu.edu,  ssalvatici at iom.ipko.org, shmaliqi at hotmail.com,
> >rolf.welberts at omik.org,  t.petovar at idea.int, cdhrf at albanian.com, Kari
> >Vanhanen <kvanhane at EUnet.yu>,  Kari Vanhanen <kvanhane at unet.com.mk>,
> >Lindita Tahiri <ltahiri at kfos.org>,  Klaus Kapper <autcoord at eunet.yu>,
> >Ivana Roagna - Boano <coepristina at omik.org>, ivana.roagna-boano at omik.org,
> >ibrahimmakolli at hotmail.com, iberisha at kfos.org,
> >heinzhabertheuer at hotmail.com,  hriegler at compuserve.com,  Walter Hoeflechner
> ><walter.hoeflechner at kfunigraz.ac.at>,  arjetabc at yahoo.co.uk,
> >gregory.fabian at omik.org,  Elisabeth Sorantin <ceepus at ceepus.org>,
> >edvillmoare at yahoo.com,  Robert Busse <wusckosovo at yahoo.ca>, frank at hrk.de,
> >REKTORATI <rektorati at uni-pr.edu>, andreotti at un.org
> >CC: colette.rausche at omik.org, Gjylietam at hotmail.com
> >Subject: Re: Human Right Cente
> >Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 06:40:52 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >
> >
> >Dear Enver:
> >
> >        The purpose of this letter is to inform you and the other members
> >of the Steering Board of the Human Rights Centre at the University of
> >Prishtina of some serious and far-reaching matters regarding the selection
> >of the Director of the Centre last week.
> >
> >        First and foremost, as a duly appointed member of the Commission
> >delegated with the authority to interview and choose said director, I
> >hereby officially protest the rejection of Ms. Gjylieta Mushkolaj as
> >Director of the Centre. My reasons for doing so are as follows.
> >
> >        During the meeting of the Steering Committee on Saturday, December
> >2, 2000, there was considerable discussion regarding the procedure to be
> >utilized in choosing the director. The Steering Committee reached a
> >concensus that the five person interviewing Commission would interview the
> >candidates and, based on those interviews and after otherwise considering
> >their respective resumes, would thereafter make a final recommendation to
> >the Committee at large. It was specifically agreed at the meeting that the
> >ratification of the Commission?s selection would be a ?mere formality.?
> >Ironically, there was concomitant discussion regarding the ?transparency?
> >of the selection process, followed by discussion concerning specific
> >compliance with the enabling Statute of the Centre in electing the
> >director. As Chair, you personally appealed to the Committee for volunteers
> >to sit on the selection Commission. You specifically asked for
> >internationals to assist. I volunteered my time and energy to sit on the
> >interviewing Commission in order to assist the Human Rights Centre in
> >meeting the severe time constraints it was under to choose a director. I
> >made it known I had previous commitments on the day of the interviews, but
> >would work around them so as to have time to participate in the selection
> >process. I studied the resumes over the weekend as requested so I would be
> >adequately prepared for the interviews. After the first two candidates,
> >Melinda Lord and I were advised by the other members of the Committee that
> >we were asking too many questions of the candidates. But for Ms. Lord and I
> >asking the relevant questions, the interviews would have more been more of
> >a pretense than they apparently already were.
> >
> >        Two days after what I thought would have been the ratification of
> >the selection by the Steering Committee, I found out that the decision we
> >had come to in selecting Ms. Mushkolaj for the position of Director had
> >been unilaterally changed with no notice to me and certainly without the
> >requisite formality of reconvening the Commission for further discussion as
> >would have been called for under any ?transparent? and democratic
> >procedure.
> >
> >        It has also been made known to me that you advised Ms. Mushkolaj
> >that the only reason Ms. Lord and I voted for her was based on the fact
> >that she was a woman.You are well aware that is untrue and I am highly
> >insulted that you would impute such a demeaning mindset to me personally
> >and professionally and that you would otherwise use that line of defense in
> >attempting to justify your abuse of your own process in changing the
> >selection of the Director. You know full well that we engaged in lengthy
> >discussions regarding the outstanding qualifications of Ms. Mushkolaj. And
> >I will remind you of what I did say regarding the fact of Ms. Mushkolaj' s
> >gender, and that was, how "far reaching" it would be for this new Human
> >Rights Centre to find such an outstanding candidate in her and that her
> >gender was a "bonus" given the long standing status, or lack thereof, of
> >women in Kosovo. Ironically, I would also remind you that you
> >wholeheartedly agreed with Ms.Lord's and my assessment that the director
> >you have now chosen gave disappointing and inappropriate answers to the
> >questions regarding remedying the status of women in Kosovo, such that it
> >caused you to vote against him.
> >
> >      As a result of all that I have experienced with you and the Human
> >Rights Centre in this regard, I no longer wish to associate myself with it.
> >It is already impaired by biases and prejudices unsuited to a Human Rights
> >Centre. Further, unless this matter is immediately addressed and corrected,
> >I have been advised that Mr. Ed Villmoare is considering withdrawing
> >ABA/CEELI from any further affiliation with the Centre.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Kathleen D. Kirwin, Esq.
> >
> >
> >
> >   WUS Austria - Prishtina Office <pristina at wus-austria.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Enver Hoxhaj > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/msword name=Human Rights
> >Centre.doc
> _________________________________________________________________
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Wed Jan 10 10:27:02 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Wed Jan 10 10:27:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] help needed (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.31.0101101026320.4210-100000@alb-net.com>

If anyone has the list of NGOs, please reply directly. Etrit.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 15:55:17 +0100 (CET)
From: jukic at rossegat.uji.es
To: support at alb-net.com
Subject: help needed

Respected Colleagues,

UNESCO Chair for Peace, part of University Jaume I, Castellon, Spain is
initiating a project, aimed to empowerment of civil society initiatives and
strengthening of regional cooperation on the grass-roots level in the region of
Balkans (special emphasis on Former Yugoslavia).
We are very interested to involve into this project NGO's from Kosova, dealing
with democratization of society, promotion of human rights and social justice,
regional cooperation and security, reconciliation etc.
Since we were not able to find directory of NGO's from Kosovo on the WEB, we
would kindly ask you to provide us with this information if you have it. We
would need, above all, e-mail addresses of active NGO's in this field.
If you are not able to provide us with this information we would appreciate
very much if you could recommend us some other source of information.

We are looking forward to hear from you

BEST REGARDS

Marjan Jukic
Balkan Project Coordinator
UNESCO Chair for Peace
Castellon, Spain



From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri Jan 19 14:36:12 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri Jan 19 14:36:12 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Info: Anti-Muslim/Anti-Albanian Symbols in MBA!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0101191421330.11970-100000@alb-net.com>

------ Forwarded Message
From: Isa Blumi <ngapeja at rocketmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 01:07:23 -0800 (PST)

By Isa Blumi
Ph.D. Candidate
Departments of History and Middle Eastern Studies
New York University

Assalam allaykum,

I am an Muslim Kosovar Albanian, an American citizen
and extremely upset.  My native Balkans has been
witness to genocide conducted in the name of a
national/fascist ideology that has used the symbolism
of the Serb orthodox church as its central cultural
vehicle.  The Chetnik-era use of the extended first
three fingers on the right-hand are well-known to us
in the Balkans who have faced Serb fascism, it is
equivalent to the NAZI straight-arm that is banned
from the world's acceptable behavior.  Why, I ask
rhetorically, are Serb nationalist symbols, the very
gestures used when millions of the Balkans Muslims
were cleansed from their homes in an orgy of genocide
during the 1990s, permitted to be used with impunity
in one of the US's major cultural/business exports,
the NBA?  I am refering to two Serb players who
constantly flash this demeaning and offensive symbol
on global television link-ups.  I am conducting
research in Istanbul and follow the behavior of the
two players in Sacramento, Vlade Divac and "Peja"
Stojakovic, who consistantly flash this symbol of
Muslim murder, if I can see it, millions around the
world see it.

My trouble is that this is a perfect example of how
incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate
against Muslim be permitted to continue?  Simply, we
do not have the influence our size and collective
economic power warrents.  If an NBA player, on the
international stage as I watch it on television, would
display anti-Jewish or Nazi-era symbols, there would
be immediate uproar.  Our community, however, has
failed to make the world sensitive to anti-Muslim
behavior and its many manifestations.  Serb fascism is
a demonic force that persists, two central
perpretrators of this symbolism are playing for a
professional league that has many mMslims playing for
it.  These Serbs get away with these gestures of hate
and even our brothers playing on the same court are
not aware of it.  I am pleading with this organization
to at least reach out to the NBA and its Muslim
players, to make them aware of this.  I constantly see
"highlights" of these two individuals flaunt their
hatred and our community must demonstrate an ability
to resist this!

I suggest contacting the media and the NBA would have
a dramatic effect.  Publicizing this may seem small,
but it is, in my mind, an important gesture.  It
demonstrates that anti-muslim symbolism is not
permitted and this will have an international effect.
We are forced to fight with weapons around the world
because the murder of Chechens, Albanians, Kashmiris
and others is permissiable in a series of journalistic
tropes.  Once we make it politically and economically
impossible to display Muslims in a negative manner,
around the world, Russians, Serbs, Indians cannot kill
us and we will not be forced to take up arms, which is
putting us in this never-ending circle of violence
that gives us all a bad image.  Please look at a
letter I sent to numerous newspapers covering the
"Sacremento Kings."  As to be expected, I have
received no response.  Until we Muslims in American
can make it impossible for Serb professional
basketball players to flaunt their fascist symbols,
even after more than 10 years of genocide, we will be
second-class citizens and always vulnerable to murder,
rape and forced migration.  Newspapers and the NBA
should not be allowed to ignore us and our concerns.

With much respect,

Isa Blumi

#######################


Dear Madame/Sir,

I am writing you to attract your attention to the use
of offensive gestures by one of the more popular
figures of Sacramento civic life.  Vlade Divac, the
Serb-born starting center for the National Basketball
Association Sacramento franchise, the ?Kings,? has
throughout the 1990s proven to be very popular among
those who attend the matches in which he participates
and among his teammates.  Unfortunately, contrary to
his easy-going demeanor and the never-ending
self-marketing of his charitable side, such popularity
distorts his offensive on and off-court behavior.
While I am currently living in Istanbul Turkey and
have little desire to follow such seemingly
unimportant activities as a NBA basketball players
activities, I have always been curious about how the
NBA handles such figures as Divac.  Mr. Divac is a
national icon in Serbia and throughout the wars in
Croatia, Bosnia and later in Kosova he regularly
played for the Serbian national team.  The fact that
he actively participated for the national team that
had clear political ties to the Milosevic regime and
its policies of ethnic cleansing and wide scale murder
and rape  is not a question I wish you to consider.
Although I do not accept the rather pathetic claims of
sports and politics not mixing.  Of course it does,
that is why Serbia?s political machinery constantly
used its successes on the Soccer field and Basketball
court to promote their agenda.  How can anyone forget
Hitler?s stewardship of the 1936 Olympics?
I am writing to draw your attention to the public
expression of Divac?s unbending nationalism.  For most
people in the Balkans it is today?s manifestation of
Fascism.  That a man can actively and consciously
display the three finger symbol of Serb fascism after
all that has happened is unambiguously offensive, and
Divac intends it to be.  Whether or not he supports
Slobadan Milosevic or promotes genocide is also not
relevant here, it is the fact that he has consistently
used the Ultra-Right hand gesture of extending the
first three fingers of the right hand that all victims
of Serb fascism find vulgar and unbecoming.  I am
responding tonight because while watching some
highlights from a recent match his team played in
Boston, to my disgust, I found that Divac, after
scoring a basket openly flashed the Serb nationalist
gesture (its closest equivalent in a sociocultural
context is the Nazi straight arm of the 1930s and
1940s.).  Not only was Divac openly parading around
the basketball court flashing a fascist symbol, but he
even got his team-mates to do it.  To see
Afro-Americans and even a Turk-national flash this
symbol of mass graves, rape and ethnic hatred strikes
me as scandalous.  That Divac flaunts his disgusting
nationalism on the court is nothing new, he has done
it for years, but the fact that the league and in
fact, the country as a whole does not take Divac to
task is an outrage.  I am sure by his flashing this
symbols of a nation?s chauvanism Albanian Kosovars,
Croats and Bosnians see this.  For them it must bring
such pain and disgust to their hearts.  I implore that
you or a colleague address this issue.  It is not an
issue for the sports desk but a social issue that
affects all citizens in the US.  The NBA would never
tolerate a Nazi or supporter of a White extremist to
flaunt their feelings like this.  One need only look
some recent footage of Serb soldiers and politicians,
how they arrogantly flash their three fingers
(representing the trinity of the Serb orthodox church)
before the hundreds of thousands of dead in the
Balkans.  This is a scandal waiting to be exposed and
this is an opportunity to show the world how inept the
NBA and its minders are.  The NBA is truly an
international league now, I am sure the several Croat
and Slovene nationals in the league do not appreciate
Divac and his Serb compatriots showing their racism on
their sleeves.  I am also sure the Afro-American
players who so ignorantly flash this symbol of murder
and hate now, would think twice if they were to learn
what it represented.  I am asking you, as a journalist
to at least draw to someone?s attention this offensive
activity.  It drives deep into how our society is
infested with gestures of hatred that most people not
directly affected just do not realize.  I am sure once
this is exposed, the league and the fans of the NBA
would not want to see Mr. Divac publicly display this
gesture that is the 1990s version of the Nazi
straight-arm.

I appreciate your attention and again ask you to
consider this with at least professional curiosity and
hopefully, a moral sense of duty as well.

Please feel free to contact me,

Yours truly,

Isa Blumi
Ph.D. Candidate
Departments of History and Middle Eastern Studies
New York University



From etrit at alb-net.com  Sat Jan 20 15:05:01 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sat Jan 20 15:05:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] UNMIK Passport (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0101201504200.19243-100000@alb-net.com>

Any new information on passports?  Etrit.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:45:05 +0100
From: cschadl at vischer.com
To: staff at alb-net.com
Subject: UNMIK Passport

I don't know who to turn to in order to get information on Passports beeing
issued by UNMIK in Kosova? I have heard that they have started to give out
their own passports for Kosovo-Albanian people. Do you know anything about
it or do you possibly know an e-mail address where I could turn to? My
husband is Kosova-Albanian. We life in Switherland. Since we have been
waiting for more than 5 months now, it seems to us that the Serbian Embassy
will not give any Passport to my husband.
Thank you in advance for any information you can privide.

Kind regards,

Claudia Schadl Muqaj



From samik at kohaditore.com  Sat Jan 20 15:17:02 2001
From: samik at kohaditore.com (samik)
Date: Sat Jan 20 15:17:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] UNMIK Passport (fwd)
References: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0101201504200.19243-100000@alb-net.com>
Message-ID: <001801d153ca$4a9ce330$9b00330a@samipc>

i can send u only the picture of that passport
=)
so far nobody has that for real

----- Original Message -----
From: Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com>
To: Albanian List <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>
Cc: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:04 PM
Subject: [Prishtina-E] UNMIK Passport (fwd)


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
> Any new information on passports?  Etrit.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 13:45:05 +0100
> From: cschadl at vischer.com
> To: staff at alb-net.com
> Subject: UNMIK Passport
>
> I don't know who to turn to in order to get information on Passports
beeing
> issued by UNMIK in Kosova? I have heard that they have started to give out
> their own passports for Kosovo-Albanian people. Do you know anything about
> it or do you possibly know an e-mail address where I could turn to? My
> husband is Kosova-Albanian. We life in Switherland. Since we have been
> waiting for more than 5 months now, it seems to us that the Serbian
Embassy
> will not give any Passport to my husband.
> Thank you in advance for any information you can privide.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Claudia Schadl Muqaj
>
> _______________________________________________________
> Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e
>



From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 12:09:04 2001
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Mon Jan 22 12:09:04 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Info: Anti-Muslim/Anti-Albanian Symbols in MBA!
Message-ID: <F212bqfAj81EYtN3Isa00006b4c@hotmail.com>



Dear Mr. Blumi,

I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of their 
religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I would 
have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita", "pershendetje", 
"t'u ngate jeta" or similar.

I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians, with 
exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim religion.

I believe that if one is addressing a national concern, that concern needs 
to be put forward in such a way that everyone understands its importance and 
is willing to help to resolve the problem. What I can read from your e-mail 
though, unfortunately, it seems that the problem of Divac saluting with a 
"3" is only affecting Albanians of Muslim religion! Shall I exclude myself 
from "your" group and ignore the problem? Obviously it is not affecting me, 
an Albanian!

I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect 
example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our 
interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be 
permitted to continue?"

I though that the plight of Albanians in Kosove was a direct result of their 
nationality. Please correct me if I am mistaken. If, however, you are 
referring to the war in ex-YU that you should forgo the Kosovar Albanian 
your opening line "I am a Muslim Kosovar Albanian, an...".

Also, remember that the war in ex-YU began in Slovenia, a catholic country. 
Its beginning and subsequent spread was due to the nationalist greed of 
Serbia's leadership and not some crusade to save Orthodoxism (serbs are 
orthodox and not Catholics).

I was brought up as an Albanian. Neither a catholic nor a Muslim (not 
forgetting Jew or orthodox). Tolerant of all other religions and believes 
and accepting new ideas if I though they were beneficial to my nation.

Faith/belief (in your case muslimanism) is separate from your national 
identity - Shqipetar i Kosoves. Nationality is something that you are born 
and bred into whereas religion something that one chooses.

I was allowed the freedom to choose the religion I felt most comfortable 
with.

My choice - to be Albanian.


Yours sincerely

Marta K. Gazideda


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From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 13:00:01 2001
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:00:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Info: Anti-Muslim/Anti-Albanian Symbols in MBA!
Message-ID: <F152VuRWCy7rjcxtniF00001f31@hotmail.com>

To all members:

I don't usually participate in the discussions of this list.  I tend to use 
it as an information source, enabling me to understand member thoughts, a 
group I believe to be a pretty good predictor of what young, educated 
Albanians in general are thinking about.   Unfortunately, sometimes I come 
across discussion such as the one regarding Divac and the NBA.  And, 
frankly, I find it disturbing.

It is disturbing, because it was blown way out of proportion.  I think Mr. 
Blumi was very clear in his follow-up, explaining that the letter was meant 
to arouse the interest of faith based (in this case Muslim) organizations in 
the United States, against the public flashing of religious symbols, 
utilized to promote genocide.

I am convinced that Mr. Blumi is not attempting to transform the conflict in 
Kosova, into a religious struggle between Albanians of different faiths.  It 
is crazy to even think something like that.  He is simply attempting to 
reach out to groups with whom Albanians have mutual interests.  In this case 
they happen to be Muslims.  And, I can't help but think, if Mr. Blumi's 
letter was written to get the attention of Vatican would we have made such a 
big deal?!!!!

With respect,

Ramis Ahmetaj



>From: "marta gazideda" <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: ngapeja at rocketmail.com
>CC: prishtina-e at alb-net.com, alb-muslimusa at egroups.com,   
>alb-muslimstudents at egroups.com, alb-muslimnews at egroups.com,   
>tetova-l at alb-net.comcair1@ix.netcom.com, cair at cair-net.org,   
>newyork at cair-net.org
>Subject: Re: [Prishtina-E] Info: Anti-Muslim/Anti-Albanian Symbols in MBA!
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35
>
>             --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>
>
>
>Dear Mr. Blumi,
>
>I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of their
>religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I would
>have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita", "pershendetje",
>"t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
>
>I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians, with
>exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim religion.
>
>I believe that if one is addressing a national concern, that concern needs
>to be put forward in such a way that everyone understands its importance 
>and
>is willing to help to resolve the problem. What I can read from your e-mail
>though, unfortunately, it seems that the problem of Divac saluting with a
>"3" is only affecting Albanians of Muslim religion! Shall I exclude myself
>from "your" group and ignore the problem? Obviously it is not affecting me,
>an Albanian!
>
>I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect
>example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
>interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be
>permitted to continue?"
>
>I though that the plight of Albanians in Kosove was a direct result of 
>their
>nationality. Please correct me if I am mistaken. If, however, you are
>referring to the war in ex-YU that you should forgo the Kosovar Albanian
>your opening line "I am a Muslim Kosovar Albanian, an...".
>
>Also, remember that the war in ex-YU began in Slovenia, a catholic country.
>Its beginning and subsequent spread was due to the nationalist greed of
>Serbia's leadership and not some crusade to save Orthodoxism (serbs are
>orthodox and not Catholics).
>
>I was brought up as an Albanian. Neither a catholic nor a Muslim (not
>forgetting Jew or orthodox). Tolerant of all other religions and believes
>and accepting new ideas if I though they were beneficial to my nation.
>
>Faith/belief (in your case muslimanism) is separate from your national
>identity - Shqipetar i Kosoves. Nationality is something that you are born
>and bred into whereas religion something that one chooses.
>
>I was allowed the freedom to choose the religion I felt most comfortable
>with.
>
>My choice - to be Albanian.
>
>
>Yours sincerely
>
>Marta K. Gazideda
>
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Mon Jan 22 13:45:46 2001
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:45:46 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: Anti-Muslim/Anti-Albanian Symbols in MBA!
In-Reply-To: <F212bqfAj81EYtN3Isa00006b4c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B691E8A1.187B%besnik@alb-net.com>

Dear friends,

I think our focus on Isa's call to Muslims is misdirected and is overlooking
the more important issue in this case. If you read the letter Isa sent to
the NBA, it does not address the issue of Divac's behavior as a Muslim or
Albanian one, but a moral one.

What is more important in this case is our community's utter lack of any
organized and institutional means to counter disparaging media
representations of ourselves, and the manifestation of offensive behavior
against us. The matter did not begin nor does it end with the NBA tolerating
Divac's behavior. It is the constant characterization in the mainstream
Western media of Albanians as drug runners, pimps, prone to violence,
operating in "mafia-like clan organizations", and sometimes even as "Muslim
fundamentalists". It is Yugoslav ministers' and international officials
shamelessly justifying the recent attempt at genocide against Kosovar
Albanians in Washington Post and New York Times' articles. It is things like
this that, beyond occassional letters of protest sent on an individual
basis, we are incapable of countering with any serious and sustained protest
campaign.

Hence, I do not find it at all surprising that Isa resorted to trying to
mobilize support from American Muslim communities, some of which are much
better organized and capable of countering and modifying the media's
behavior.

But then, perhaps opposing media representations of certain groups and
communities and standing up for ourselves is not something we are apt to do.
As someone else noted, if Isa's call was directed to the pope or to American
Catholics, many of us would have probably not reacted so vehemently against
Isa's letter...

Besnik



From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 23 05:13:03 2001
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Tue Jan 23 05:13:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <F161zfSm95KPR28TfTe0000031c@hotmail.com>

Dear All,

It seems that I have not made myself clear. The crux of the matter is that I 
consider myself Albanian. That is first and foremost in my mind.
If I am asked what I am, my response will be "I am Albanian". I would never 
dream of answering " a Catholic/Muslim".

Religion is a separate issue from the national identity i.e. sipas perkatjes 
kombetare jemi shqiptare POR qe percjellim religjione te ndryshme.

If Mr. Blumi (in this instance) has made a call to "Albanians" to combat an 
anomaly that is damaging to our national interest than he should do that, 
without referring to ones' religion.

After all, Mr. Pula & Mr. Ahmetaj, on what do you base your assumption that 
I am a Catholic? "Marta" is a Jewish name; in addition there is an old 
Albanian song (sung in Albania only) about an Albanian female warrior named 
Marta. The title of the song is "Kuvendon Marta me Gra".

As for "Olsi" - you are misguided and deeply offending (others may feel 
different) by claiming that the war in Kosove was a religious one! It was a 
war for acquisition of land (Kosova) and its riches, creation of a Greater 
Serbia and the annihilation of Albanians regardless of their religion!

If there are Albanians who feel the war of Kosove was a religious one please 
do let me know.

The sooner we agree that the good of the nation is more important that our 
religious beliefs the sooner we can have an independent Kosove. A Republic 
no less.

That is why we must decide soon: "Are we Muslims, Catholics, etc. or are we 
Albanians?".

If we reach the conclusion that we are Albanians (and that is all that 
matters) everything will be easier because we will be working towards one 
aim - our Kosove.
We will not need to rely on foreigners since we do have the resources to 
build ourselves up into a great country and a great nation. It all depends 
from our attitude.


Yours sincerely




Marta K. Gazideda


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From ramis39 at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 23 10:47:01 2001
From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj)
Date: Tue Jan 23 10:47:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <F2778AWiZAtGYkNUTvl00000bc1@hotmail.com>

Marta,

The purpose of my correspondence was to simply expres my opinion regarding 
Mr. Blumi's intention in writing the letter forwarded to the list. Frankly, 
I have no idea how did you come about concluding that I somehow assumed your 
religious preference.  The question ending my letter was not directed at 
you, personally, and it was not meant to disguise any assumption.  It was 
simply meant to question the paranoia present in some circles that Albanians 
may forfeit their national rights, if they choose to explore their 
relationship with Islam.  That's it!

Ramis Ahmetaj



>From: "marta gazideda" <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>To: kosova at lycos.com, ngapeja at rocketmail.com
>CC: prishtina-e at alb-net.com, alb-muslimusa at egroups.com, 
>tetova-l at alb-net.com,   cair1 at ix.netcom.com, cair at cair-net.org, 
>newyork at cair-net.org
>Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: A colonial mindset!
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 10:11:53
>
>             --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>        Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
>Dear All,
>
>It seems that I have not made myself clear. The crux of the matter is that 
>I
>consider myself Albanian. That is first and foremost in my mind.
>If I am asked what I am, my response will be "I am Albanian". I would never
>dream of answering " a Catholic/Muslim".
>
>Religion is a separate issue from the national identity i.e. sipas 
>perkatjes
>kombetare jemi shqiptare POR qe percjellim religjione te ndryshme.
>
>If Mr. Blumi (in this instance) has made a call to "Albanians" to combat an
>anomaly that is damaging to our national interest than he should do that,
>without referring to ones' religion.
>
>After all, Mr. Pula & Mr. Ahmetaj, on what do you base your assumption that
>I am a Catholic? "Marta" is a Jewish name; in addition there is an old
>Albanian song (sung in Albania only) about an Albanian female warrior named
>Marta. The title of the song is "Kuvendon Marta me Gra".
>
>As for "Olsi" - you are misguided and deeply offending (others may feel
>different) by claiming that the war in Kosove was a religious one! It was a
>war for acquisition of land (Kosova) and its riches, creation of a Greater
>Serbia and the annihilation of Albanians regardless of their religion!
>
>If there are Albanians who feel the war of Kosove was a religious one 
>please
>do let me know.
>
>The sooner we agree that the good of the nation is more important that our
>religious beliefs the sooner we can have an independent Kosove. A Republic
>no less.
>
>That is why we must decide soon: "Are we Muslims, Catholics, etc. or are we
>Albanians?".
>
>If we reach the conclusion that we are Albanians (and that is all that
>matters) everything will be easier because we will be working towards one
>aim - our Kosove.
>We will not need to rely on foreigners since we do have the resources to
>build ourselves up into a great country and a great nation. It all depends
>from our attitude.
>
>
>Yours sincerely
>
>
>
>
>Marta K. Gazideda
>
>
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From IHoti12345 at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 10:50:01 2001
From: IHoti12345 at aol.com (IHoti12345 at aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 10:50:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] pershendetje MARTES
Message-ID: <ff.15386e8.279f0201@aol.com>

HI MARTA.TE LUMT SE ME TE VERTET QENKE FEMER E ZGJUAR  DHE PO I KUPTOJSHE 
GJERAT SHUM MIR.LUFTA NE KOSOV NUK KA QEN PER FEN MYSLIMANE APO KATOLIKE.POR 
PERINTERESAT EKONOMIKE E POLITIKE TE SERBIS.SHKURT LUFTA NE KOSOV PREJ SERBIS 
KAQEN KUDER KREJT SHQIPTAREVE .POR SERBIJA IKA PERDOR DISAMETODA NE LUFT DHE 
DISA PROPAGANDA QE TIBAJ DISA SHQIPTAR TE BESOJN SE KJO LUFT KA QEN KUNDER 
FESMYSLIMANE APO KATOLIKE.KJO ASHT ILUZION.
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 24 00:19:01 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:19:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Fwd: [NYC-L] Albanian L. on the web/Isa Blumi etc.
Message-ID: <F129iz2Mb1s7nlT2NqF000003eb@hotmail.com>

I don't know has anyone received this message. If yes please reply for the 
sake of the subject mentioned: Albanian Language and its use among Albanians 
in the U.S.A. and other English speaking countries.
Of course this is not to underestimate the issue of the Serb symbol for 
which I stated that is a symbol of Serbian hegemony on the region and 
anti-Albanian, ant-Boshnjak, anti-Croat. It is anti-human, and therefore a 
pressure should be applied to media and in any other lawful way to make it 
deasepear from TV screens and other media, and raise awarnees into every 
society (U.S., U.K. Australia etc.) about the racist message that it 
contains.

Regards/Pershendetje

Imer Berisha
Cleveland, Ohio


>From: "Imer Berisha" <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian L. on the web/Isa Blumi etc.
>Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 00:41:58
>
>          === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>
>Has anyone read my letter to Isa Blumi?
>I know it was written in Albanian, but I think we should be able to
>communicate in both languages.
>After all Albanian is our mother tongue.  If Albanians do not use their
>language who is going to do that.  How can we talk about other problems if
>we cannot talk in Albanian.
>I am sorry if I am a bit hursh.  For me as an Kosovan Albanian it is
>abslutely important that I speak Albanian until I die. Of course not only
>Albanian, other languages too. But Albanian language lives by being used by
>Albanians.  If we do not use it we are "killing" it.  I have lived abroad
>for some years so I know a bit about being far away from home, but looking
>to other communities I have come to conclusion that it is possible to live
>in another country and be integrated into its cultural and economic life 
>and
>still preserve your own culture and language first of all.
>
>Sorry again. I speak few languages but my priority is and will be Albanian
>language.
>This can be another important topic to talk about as I think it goes 
>against
>our oun national interest to talk/write only in English.
>We are not giving an oportunty to yonger generations to preserve and learn
>their mother tongue. On the other hand it is better to write in Albanian,
>even with some mistakes than puting Albanian language aside altogether.
>
>I cannot think of a possibility that people cannot read and write in
>Albanian. I hope I am wrong. And I hope somebody has read and understood
>what I have written in Albanian.
>
>Look forward for some reactions on this subject. This subject I believe is
>as important as the Serb sign that I wrote about, if not even more.
>
>Regards to all of you
>Pershendetje te gjitheve
>
>Imer Berisha
>Shqipetare/jurist nga Kosova/Prishtina
>student ne shkallen e III / LLM in US Legal Studies
>Case Western Reserve University
>Cleveland, Ohio, U.S. e-mail:imerprishtina at hotmail.com
>
>
>
>>From: "Imer Berisha" <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>>To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] FW: Could you distribute
>>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:13:54
>>
>>          === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>>
>>Zoti Isa Blumi ju keni te drejte se me teper duhet te behet ne luften
>>kunder
>>simboleve serbe qe paraqesin fashizem dhe fuqin qe beri gjenocid ne Bosnje
>>dhe ne Kosove dhe PO faji eshte i yni.  Mire qe e keni prek kete teme se
>>keshtu formohet opinioni edhe ne SHBA per mostolerimin e nje dukurie te
>>caktuar, ne kete rast "tre gishtat" serb.
>>Une pajtomem me ju se eshte simbol cetnik-fashist po nuk mendoj se eshte
>>vetem antimusliman.  Ai se pari eshte antiboshnjak, antikroat,
>>antishqiptare
>>dhe me kete antinjerezore pra ka te beje me te gjithe njerezimin
>>gjegjesisht
>>normat e sjalljes.
>>
>>Nese eshte eshte e vertete ajo qe zoti Simon thot se Amerika eshte vend i
>>lirive, dhe une mendoj se ka te drejte, prap ka mundesi qe nje sjellje e
>>caktuar, ne kete rast tre gishtat serb te paraqiten ashtu si jane pra
>>shenje
>>antinjerezore, shenje e urrejtjes dhe shfarosjes, atehere kjo mund te
>>ndikoj
>>qe NBA apo klube te vecanta te nderrojne politken e tyre duke e ditur se
>>publiku nuk e pranon nje gje te till.
>>
>>Por qe te arrihet nje gje e till, qe te ngritet vetedija ne SHBA se ajo
>>shenje eshte raciste/anti-boshnjake,anti-shqiptare etj. duhet pune.
>>
>>Pra me vjen mire qe eshte prekur kjo ceshtje.
>>
>>Ka shume pune per te bere per shqiptaret dhe mjafte kohe eshte humbur.
>>Duhet
>>te zihet hapi me gjera madhore por edhe kjo ceshtje e ka rendesin e saj 
>>sic
>>e ka rendesin e saj edhe perdorimi i emerit Kosove ne formen serbe nga te
>>huajt.  Une per vehten time vazhdimisht i bej me dije personat me te cilet
>>kontaktoj se ata ne anglishte duhet ta perdorin emrin Kosova dmth -in
>>Kosova, from Kosova etj. e jo Kosovo. Pra te gjithe shqiptaret pa dallim
>>feje duhet te bejne shume sepse jemi ne gjusme te rruges dhe si duket disa
>>shtete memzi kan pritur qe t'i afrohen Serbise.
>>
>>Pershendes te gjithe
>>
>>Imer Berisha
>>LLM in Laws Candidate
>>Case Western Reserve University
>>
>>
>>>From: Isa Blumi <ngapeja at rocketmail.com>
>>>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>>>To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>>>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] FW: Could you distribute
>>>Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:02:54 -0800 (PST)
>>>
>>>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>>>
>>>As regards to Simon's response and disjoinder as per
>>>the religious aspect of the wars in the Balkans.  With
>>>all due respect, the symbol itself is a religious
>>>symbol and one cannot take the Serb vandalism and
>>>symbolic targeting of religious communities and
>>>promoting such activities using the vehicle of the
>>>illegitimate "leadership" of the church which has
>>>joined hands with neo-fascists.  A second point, I am
>>>aware of the thin line one treads but if one were to
>>>go back to the message, one will see I have sent two
>>>seperate messages, the one to the reporters is not
>>>reflecting on the inherent anti-Muslim aspects to the
>>>gesture; in that respect, I have used the langauge to
>>>adddress the issue to the Islamic-American relations
>>>council out of frustration with my own multi-faith
>>>community which has demonstrated an utter lack of
>>>media savy has resulted in Kostunica being the sole
>>>voice of authority on things Kosova.  I am desperately
>>>trying to put Kosova back on the media map and as I
>>>suggested in the letter, the fact the NBA is ignorant
>>>to the antics of two Serb players reflects a lack of
>>>interest in things not involving people who are
>>>underrepresented in Washington.  And no, Divac or
>>>Stojakovic do not have a "right" to use fascist
>>>symbols on the platform they operate.  Neo Nazi's
>>>using a stiff arm would never play in the league and I
>>>think the victims of Serb facism in the 1990s should
>>>have similar respect as per Divac.
>>>
>>>If anyone is interested, I believe in the US in the
>>>late afternoon, Divac and his teammate will appear on
>>>NBC, Saturday.
>>>
>>>I hope some of you in the states realize that we are
>>>losing Kosova, that the process is excellerating and
>>>it is, as I have always said, our fault.  We were
>>>better than what we are going to get.
>>>
>>>Tung,
>>>
>>>Isa
>>>--- SimonVukel at aol.com wrote:
>>> > Regarding Isa Blumi's email, I have to admit I
>>> > haven't watched enough
>>> > basketball lately to see what Divac has been doing
>>> > on the court, so I can't
>>> > comment on that without seeing it for myself.  If in
>>> > fact he has been
>>> > fluanting a Serb symbol of hatred, then he should be
>>> > taken to task for it.
>>> > Thankfully we live in a free country and he can do
>>> > as he wishes (as
>>> > unfortunate as his actions may be), but as Isa
>>> > states, his team members and
>>> > his fans should at least be made aware of what that
>>> > symbol potentially
>>> > represents before they join him in its expression.
>>> >
>>> > Nevertheless, I do have an issue with Isa Blumi's
>>> > attempt to portray this as
>>> > a Muslim issue.  Serb aggression knew no religious
>>> > boundaries -- Albanian
>>> > Christians and other non-Serb Christians were just
>>> > as equally slaughtered as
>>> > Muslims, so it is unfortunate that Isa make this a
>>> > call to arms, so to speak,
>>> > for Muslims.  I would encourage all Albanians to
>>> > resist any effort to make
>>> > what happened in Kosova a religious issue.  It was
>>> > not Christian vs. Muslim.
>>> > It was Serb vs. Albanian.  And whether one believes
>>> > in God, Allah, Yahweh, or
>>> > none at all, let's all pray and hope that Kosova one
>>> > day truly be free, and
>>> > that the nations of the Balkans can one day come to
>>> > a peaceful understanding.
>>> >  They don't have to love each other, but no one's
>>> > going anywhere, so they
>>> > might as well learn to live together.
>>> >
>>> > Have a good weekend everyone.
>>> > -Simon Vukel
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
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From kosova at lycos.com  Wed Jan 24 00:19:11 2001
From: kosova at lycos.com (Olsi)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:19:11 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>

Dear all,

I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of Kosova have made on many Albanians.
There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.

Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were the first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their country.

There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting Islam.

Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided 8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this nation to be united into one.

As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the Muslim World.
Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian Kosovar brothers!

But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians from the Serbian orthodox yoke. Since Serbs clearly identify themselves as Orthodox, get money, weapons and blessing from Athens and Moscow, Albanians are strictly forbiden and encouraged from their COLONIAL MASTERS to seek help from Istanbul and Mecca.... This is the best strategy of the Orthodox and Catholic world, on keeping Kosova weak, without any support and abandoned....

And we are seing the results!!!
Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They distributing mass pills for Albanian women in order for reducing Kosovars birth rates. Kosova is still under chains. 

The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence. Europe does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims. 

Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor freedom from Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim Kosova from the Christian Europe! Pope never cried for just 1 hour far flying Kosova...

HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim people!
Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!

Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial masters have imposed on them!


On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35  
 marta gazideda wrote:
>Dear Mr. Blumi,
>
>I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita", "pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
>
>I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians, with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim religion.
>
>I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be 
>permitted to continue?"



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From kosova at lycos.com  Wed Jan 24 00:19:14 2001
From: kosova at lycos.com (Olsi)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:19:14 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <CFNLMMAEPBCHBAAA@mailcity.com>

Dear all,

In my previous message I never meant to offend someone......
I simply wanted to show one part of our reality, to stress who we are,
to understand why we are being delt so, and why East Timoris have more value
in the eyes of the west than us!

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From kos-alb at lycos.com  Wed Jan 24 00:19:19 2001
From: kos-alb at lycos.com (amar gj........)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:19:19 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] (No Subject)
Message-ID: <IFDNJECIGBCJBAAA@mailcity.com>

 Wes-selam velleze dhe miresejugjej 

US raids against UCPMB help Serbs to fight Kosovar Muslims

By Khalil Osman in Prague
[Crescent International, April 16-30, 2000.]

Leaders of a recently-formed Albanian guerrilla group in southeastern Serbia
renounced military action last month, following political pressure and
military operations against them by US forces serving in neighbouring
Kosova.

Speaking to reporters on March 23, after a nine-hour meeting with senior
American and Kosovar officials, Januz Musliu, head of the Political Council
for Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac (PCPMB), said tersely: "We are against
armed confrontation." He proceeded to explain that: "Our stance and our
engagement will be in accord with our own national and international
interests, especially with those of the United States and the North Atlantic
Alliance."

The about-turn, after months of growing militancy, followed intense US
pressure culminating in US military operations against Albanian fighters,
effectively doing the Serbs work for them. US state department spokesman
James Rubin revealed that the PCPMB made the statement renouncing armed
confrontation at the request of former Kosova Liberation Army (UCK) leader
Hashim Thaci, after Rubin himself had urged Thaci to persuade them "that the
military course is a disaster for us all."

The PCPMB is the political wing of the Liberation Army of Presevo, Bujanovac
>and Medvedja (UCPMB), a militia in the Presevo valley in southeastern
Serbia. Their declared goal had been to end Serbias authority in Presevo
and two other border districts, parts of which overlap with the
5-kilometre-wide demilitarized zone between Kosova and Serbia, known as the
Ground Safety Zone (GSZ). According to the "Military-Technical Agreement"
signed by Belgrade and NATO last June, only a limited number of Serb
policemen, and no soldiers, are allowed into the GSZ.

The three districts are sandwiched between Macedonia to the south and Kosova
to the northwest. Presevos population is estimated to be 92 percent
Albanian, Bujanovacs 65 percent, and Medvedjas 35 percent. The area, known
to the Albanians as Kosova Lindore (Eastern Kosova), was incorporated into
Serbia at the end of the second world war. Local residents voted
overwhelmingly for autonomy and possible unification with Kosova in the
referendum held in the former Yugoslavia in 1992.

The UCPMB, which models itself on the UCK in name, uniform and tactics,
consists of a few hundred well-armed fighters who are active in the hills of
the no-mans-land around Presevo town, about 12 kilometres east of the
boundary between Serbia and Kosova. The UCPMB headquarters is believed to be
in Dobrosin, a village located inside the GSZ. The groups leader is
believed to be Sefket Hassani, a 60-year-old local poet, who had returned to
the area last November after spending some time working in Switzerland.

The ranks of the UCPMB have been growing rapidly, thanks largely to former
>members of the UCK. There are about 20,000 unemployed former UCK fighters,
>many of whom have formed small militia groups in Kosova. Each of these new
>militia groups consists of a dozen or so members, together comprising a
>force of a few hundred fighters. They are active mainly in the US-controlled
>sector of Kosova, which adjoins the GSZ. But despite their small size, these
>groups have weapons and moral and financial support from the UCKs
>fund-raising organization, which continues to collect substantial donations
>from migrant Albanian communities.
>
>In recent months, sporadic gunfights and bomb attacks have been reported in
>the Presevo area. The rising tension is similar to that of the early days of
>the Kosova conflict. Many residents say that they were forced to take up
>arms by police brutality and harassment, including arrests, beatings,
>confiscations, burning homes and killings. Most of the Serb police officers
>in the area are bitter veterans of Kosova. Residents in Dobrosin say that
>the police have repeatedly mistreated them at a checkpoint at Lucani, 5
>kilometres down the road. In mid-December a Serbian police patrol ordered a
>group of more than a dozen residents returning to Dobrosin from shopping in
>Bujanovac to lie down in the road. Police officers walked all over them.
>
>The escalation in police harassment and intimidation forced many residents
>to seek refuge in Kosova or Macedonia. Over the past ten months, an
>estimated 70 percent of Dobrosins 1,200 residents have moved to Kosova.
>According to the UN High Commission for Refugees (UNHCR), about 10 percent
>of the 70,000 Albanians in the Presevo valley area have fled into Kosova
>since last June. The true number of refugees could be much higher, as many
>who move in with relatives do not register with aid agencies.

The plight of Albanians in southern Serbia was highlighted even as the PCPMB
>renounced military action. Musliu called on the international community to
>exert pressure on "the Belgrade regime to withdraw its military, police and
>paramilitary forces and to cease all violence, murder, repression and
>expulsions and to allow families to return to their land."

As Serb forces intensified their brutal activities, residents formed village
councils and self-defenze units dedicated to rid the region of Serbian
political control. A village council was reportedly established in Dobrosin
>after Serb paramilitaries killed two inhabitants on October 15 last year.
>The first serious clash occurred in December when guerrillas clashed with
>police near the village of Bresic. Uniformed UCPMB fighters made their
>public debut on January 26, at the funeral of two Albanian brothers from
>Dobrosin, who were killed by police while returning from woodcutting. The
>fighters vowed to protect local residents from the Serbian forces.
>
>A UCPMB representative was quoted last month as saying that the insurgents
>also aimed to internationalize their plight in the hope of drawing NATO into
>another conflict with Yugoslavia. KFOR, the NATO-led peacekeeping force in
>Kosova, responded by cracking down on gun-running between Kosova and the
>UCPMB, and US secretary of state Madeleine Albright was quick to warn that
>ethnic Albanians counting on a new NATO-led intervention "shouldnt
>miscalculate."
>
>In February, the US and its allies actively began to exert pressure on the
>UCPMB to abandon military action. NATO supreme commander general Wesley
>Clark met former UCK chief Hashim Thachi and Macedonian Albanian leader
>Arben Xhaferri to urge them to pressurise the UCPMB. According to Xhaferri,
>Clark ridiculed the goal of breaking away from Serbia as "romantic
>adventurism." Both leaders then warned that "provocations" in southern
>Serbia will only play into the hands of Yugoslav president Slobodan
>Milosevic.
>
>In March, Albright dispatched her spokesman James Rubin to Kosova to add to
>the pressure. As Rubins attempt to stifle the UCPMBs rebellion failed to
>achieve any immediate breakthrough, US soldiers in KFOR launched operations
>which, in the words of one soldier, included "synchronized, simultaneous
>assaults" by airborne and ground forces on five Kosovar Albanian villages
>along a 28-kilometre front near the border with Serbia. KFOR said that the
>troops arrested nine people, seized seven rifles, 28 hand grenades, two
>mortar tubesand numerous mines, and confiscated over 200 uniforms and 22
>crates of ammunition.
>
>The dawn raid came only a day after a senior Pentagon official warned in
>comments to The Washington Post that US soldiers could face confrontations
>with their former Albanian allies this spring. After the raid, KFOR
>spokesman lieutenant-colonel Henning Philipp candidly declared that "it
>seems that this [insurgency] is under control now and we will closely
>monitor it to prevent any things like that in the future."
>
>It is clear that the US and Yugoslavia are working together to stifle the
>aspirations of independence that Albanians in southern Serbia have aspired
>to for decades. Recent events extend the influence of KFOR, whose mandate
>pertains to security issues only in Kosova, to ethnic Albanians operating
>beyond the provinces borders. The only possible consolation for Albanians
>is that the PCPMB statement denouncing "armed confrontation" fell short of a
>unilateral ceasefire and included no promises to lay down weapons or
>disband. That at least leaves open the possibility that the group will
remain able to respond to any future Serb aggression.


  
    
 
  
       
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



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From besi1420 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 24 00:19:23 2001
From: besi1420 at hotmail.com (Besnik Sinani)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:19:23 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-MuslimUSA] Re: A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <F266TrBHxvZ9aZ1i6bd00001809@hotmail.com>

Duke qene se ky eshte nje debat i shqiptareve mbi hallet e shqiptareve 
vendosa te shkruaj ne shqip pasi me duket me vlefshme per tu futur ne 
atmosferen e duhur.

Ne ka gje nga e cila duhet hequr dore eshte  konceptimi populist ku u 
tregohet te tjereve se si duhet ta identifikojne veten. Nese njerezit vene 
perparesi besimit fetar apo nacionalitetit ky eshte me shume se nderrim 
bluse, ky eshte qendrim qe nje njeri e ka mare si rjedhim i bindjeve te tij, 
te kaluares se tij, prejardhjes se tij etj.

Gjithsesi besoj se fakti se disa identifikojne veten separi si muslimane nuk 
i ben ata shqiptare me te keqinj se ata te tjeret, qe madje mund te te 
lodhin kordat zanore te fytit me shume se kushdo per atdheun.Me shumti te 
tillet kane demostruar te jene tradhtaret.

Por ka nje hapsire, ku mbrojtja e interesave shqiptare i bashkon njerez qe 
kane qendrime te ndryshme ne maredhenien e tyre me Zotin :muslimane apo 
kristiane qe jane te tille vetem sociologjikisht, muslimane ,te krishtere ( 
qe besojne dhe praktikojne fene e tyre), apo ateiste(mohues). Ata bashkohen 
kur eshte interes i perbashket mbrojtja e vendit te tyre dhe kjo nuk sjell 
si kusht leshimit vend te nacionalizmit mbi besimin ne Zot.

Nese lufta ne Kosove ishte mirfilli fetare apo e udhehequr per interesa 
ekonomike te Serbise, mua te dyja pergjigjet me duken pjeserisht te verteta 
e pjeserisht abuzive. Ata qe ngulin kembe ne te qenit teresisht motivacion 
fetar nuk kapin tere skemen e realiteteve ballkanike, ndryshimet 
sociologjike te popullsive te Ballkanit.
Gjithashtu ata qe duan ta trajtojne si problem nacional e te motivuar 
ekonomikisht harojne qe konflikti ka rrenje te thella, qe realiteti osman ne 
ballkan i vuri shqiptaret e serbet qe pozita te ndryshme .Ata harojne qe ne 
konfliktet ballkanike te 10 viteve te fundit perendimoret mbeshteten 
kroatet, ruset serbet e popullsite muslimane Bosnjen dhe kjo eshte skema qe 
nderton Samuel Hungtigtoni ku paralajmeron fillimin e nje konflikti ne 
Kosove te ndertuar sipas te njetes skeme. Jo me kot xhamite ishin shenjester 
e trupave serbe( mbi 200 te shkaterruara).Ish-ushtare te UCK-se kane treguar 
se si ushtaret serbe i therrisnin ata: o turq.Ata qe nuk i shohin keto 
realitete nuk mund te kene nje pamje te qarte te problemeve qe ka bota 
shqiptare.

>Dear All,
>
>It seems that I have not made myself clear. The crux of the matter is that 
>I
>consider myself Albanian. That is first and foremost in my mind.
>If I am asked what I am, my response will be "I am Albanian". I would never
>dream of answering " a Catholic/Muslim".
>
>Religion is a separate issue from the national identity i.e. sipas 
>perkatjes
>kombetare jemi shqiptare POR qe percjellim religjione te ndryshme.
>
>If Mr. Blumi (in this instance) has made a call to "Albanians" to combat an
>anomaly that is damaging to our national interest than he should do that,
>without referring to ones' religion.
>
>After all, Mr. Pula & Mr. Ahmetaj, on what do you base your assumption that
>I am a Catholic? "Marta" is a Jewish name; in addition there is an old
>Albanian song (sung in Albania only) about an Albanian female warrior named
>Marta. The title of the song is "Kuvendon Marta me Gra".
>
>As for "Olsi" - you are misguided and deeply offending (others may feel
>different) by claiming that the war in Kosove was a religious one! It was a
>war for acquisition of land (Kosova) and its riches, creation of a Greater
>Serbia and the annihilation of Albanians regardless of their religion!
>
>If there are Albanians who feel the war of Kosove was a religious one 
>please
>do let me know.
>
>The sooner we agree that the good of the nation is more important that our
>religious beliefs the sooner we can have an independent Kosove. A Republic
>no less.
>
>That is why we must decide soon: "Are we Muslims, Catholics, etc. or are we
>Albanians?".
>
>If we reach the conclusion that we are Albanians (and that is all that
>matters) everything will be easier because we will be working towards one
>aim - our Kosove.
>We will not need to rely on foreigners since we do have the resources to
>build ourselves up into a great country and a great nation. It all depends
>from our attitude.
>
>
>Yours sincerely
>
>
>
>
>Marta K. Gazideda
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not. He will say: O Lord, and 
>how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: 
>Did you not know that My servant So-and-so had fallen ill and you visited 
>him not? Did you not know that had you visited him you would have found Me 
>with him? O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not. He will 
>say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the worlds? 
>He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so asked you for food 
>and you fed him not? Did you not know that had you fed him you would surely 
>have found that (the reward for doing so) with Me? O son of Adam, I asked 
>you to give Me to drink and you gave Me not to drink. He will say: O Lord, 
>how should I give You to drink whin You are the Lord of the worlds? He will 
>say: My servant So-and-so asked you to give him to drink and you gave him 
>not to drink. Had you given him to drink you would have surely found that 
>with Me.
>

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From zabeli at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 05:41:24 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Wed Jan 24 05:41:24 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
References: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <32519.980331838@www19.gmx.net>

shteteve si turqia, prej egzistimit te saj kurre hajrin sjau kemi pare:
jemi populli i vetem, te cilet morrem fene e perandorise se atehershme
muslimane (me siguri per arsye qyqarllaku)- si shperblim ishim i vetmi popull, qe
kur u terheq kjo perandori mbetem te ndare ne kater shtete;

nuk i ka as gjysme viti, kur kryetari i tashem i turqise, i dergoje nje note
te rrepte proteste kouchnerit, lidhur me shtypjen e madhe, qe po u beka 
turqve kosovare nga shqiptaret kosovare, 
prandaj motoja duhet te jete: larget duart nga turqet.

e sa i perket shteteve tjera muslimane qe i permende ti; po mdhimbet edhe
koha me u marre me to!

shyqa, urrejts i turqve 


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of
> Kosova have made on many Albanians.
> There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.
> 
> Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation
> of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were
the
> first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their
> country.
> 
> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most
> highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting
Islam.
> 
> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided
> 8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this
nation
> to be united into one.
> 
> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the
> only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the
> Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are
> the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian
> Kosovar brothers!
> 
> But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy
> about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow
> Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians
> from the Serbian orthodox yoke. 
> 
> And we are seing the results!!!
> Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
> Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters
> of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money
> and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They
> distributing mass pills for Albanian 
> 
> The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which
> are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence.
Europe
> does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims. 
> 
> Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in
> Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor
freedom from
> Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim Kosova
> from the Christian Europe! Pop
> 
> HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
> May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim
> people!
> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!
> 
> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial
> masters have imposed on them!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35  
>  marta gazideda wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Blumi,
> >
> >I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of
> their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I
> would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita",
> "pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
> >
> >I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians,
> with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim
religion.
> >
> >I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect
> example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
> interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be 
> >permitted to continue?"
> 
> 
> 
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 06:05:03 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Wed Jan 24 06:05:03 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
References: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <23251.980331807@www22.gmx.net>

olsi,

shteteve si turqia, prej egzistimit te saj kurre hajrin sjau kemi pare:
jemi populli i vetem, te cilet morrem fene e perandorise se atehershme
muslimane (me siguri per arsye qyqarllaku)- si shperblim ishim i vetmi popull, qe
kur u terheq kjo perandori mbetem te ndare ne kater shtete;

nuk i ka as gjysme viti, kur kryetari i tashem i turqise, i dergoje nje note
te rrepte proteste kouchnerit, lidhur me shtypjen e madhe, qe po u beka 
turqve kosovare nga shqiptaret kosovare, 
prandaj motoja duhet te jete: larget duart nga turqet.

e sa i perket shteteve tjera muslimane qe i permende ti; po mdhimbet edhe
koha me u marre me to!

shyqa, urrejts i turqve 


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of
> Kosova have made on many Albanians.
> There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.
> 
> Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation
> of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were
the
> first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their
> country.
> 
> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most
> highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting
Islam.
> 
> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided
> 8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this
nation
> to be united into one.
> 
> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the
> only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the
> Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are
> the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian
> Kosovar brothers!
> 
> But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy
> about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow
> Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians
> from the Serbian orthodox yoke. 
> 
> And we are seing the results!!!
> Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
> Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters
> of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money
> and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They
> distributing mass pills for Albanian 
> 
> The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which
> are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence.
Europe
> does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims. 
> 
> Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in
> Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor
freedom from
> Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim Kosova
> from the Christian Europe! Pop
> 
> HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
> May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim
> people!
> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!
> 
> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial
> masters have imposed on them!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35  
>  marta gazideda wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Blumi,
> >
> >I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of
> their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I
> would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita",
> "pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
> >
> >I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians,
> with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim
religion.
> >
> >I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect
> example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
> interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be 
> >permitted to continue?"
> 
> 
> 
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From zabeli at gmx.de  Wed Jan 24 06:05:09 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Wed Jan 24 06:05:09 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
References: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <24451.980331831@www22.gmx.net>

olsi,

shteteve si turqia, prej egzistimit te saj kurre hajrin sjau kemi pare:
jemi populli i vetem, te cilet morrem fene e perandorise se atehershme
muslimane (me siguri per arsye qyqarllaku)- si shperblim ishim i vetmi popull, qe
kur u terheq kjo perandori mbetem te ndare ne kater shtete;

nuk i ka as gjysme viti, kur kryetari i tashem i turqise, i dergoje nje note
te rrepte proteste kouchnerit, lidhur me shtypjen e madhe, qe po u beka 
turqve kosovare nga shqiptaret kosovare, 
prandaj motoja duhet te jete: larget duart nga turqet.

e sa i perket shteteve tjera muslimane qe i permende ti; po mdhimbet edhe
koha me u marre me to!

shyqa, urrejts i turqve 


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of
> Kosova have made on many Albanians.
> There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.
> 
> Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation
> of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were
the
> first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their
> country.
> 
> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most
> highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting
Islam.
> 
> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided
> 8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this
nation
> to be united into one.
> 
> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the
> only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the
> Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are
> the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian
> Kosovar brothers!
> 
> But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy
> about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow
> Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians
> from the Serbian orthodox yoke. 
> 
> And we are seing the results!!!
> Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
> Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters
> of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money
> and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They
> distributing mass pills for Albanian 
> 
> The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which
> are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence.
Europe
> does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims. 
> 
> Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in
> Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor
freedom from
> Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim Kosova
> from the Christian Europe! Pop
> 
> HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
> May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim
> people!
> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!
> 
> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial
> masters have imposed on them!
> 
> 
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35  
>  marta gazideda wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Blumi,
> >
> >I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of
> their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I
> would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita",
> "pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
> >
> >I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians,
> with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim
religion.
> >
> >I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect
> example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
> interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be 
> >permitted to continue?"
> 
> 
> 
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From rdelia at ukonline.co.uk  Wed Jan 24 15:20:02 2001
From: rdelia at ukonline.co.uk (rdelia)
Date: Wed Jan 24 15:20:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
References: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <004101c08640$a137ee00$941c86d4@pbncomputer>

I`m not very good in politics.The war in Kosova might`ve been a religious
one as you say, even though I never have believed that, but there`s
something I`m very sure of and that`s:

none of the islamic countries will ever help Kosova,
just like they always have been against us.

----- Original Message -----
From: Olsi <kosova at lycos.com>
To: <ngapeja at rocketmail.com>; marta gazideda <marta_gazideda at hotmail.com>
Cc: <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <alb-muslimusa at egroups.com>;
<tetova-l at alb-net.com>; <cair1 at ix.netcom.com>; <cair at cair-net.org>;
<newyork at cair-net.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:22 AM
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: A colonial mindset!


>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
>         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of
Kosova have made on many Albanians.
> There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.
>
> Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation
of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were the
first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their
country.
>
> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most
highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting
Islam.
>
> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided
8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this
nation to be united into one.
>
> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the
only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the
Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are
the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian
Kosovar brothers!
>
> But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy
about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow
Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians
from the Serbian orthodox yoke. Since Serbs clearly identify themselves as
Orthodox, get money, weapons and blessing from Athens and Moscow, Albanians
are strictly forbiden and encouraged from their COLONIAL MASTERS to seek
help from Istanbul and Mecca.... This is the best strategy of the Orthodox
and Catholic world, on keeping Kosova weak, without any support and
abandoned....
>
> And we are seing the results!!!
> Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
> Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters
of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money
and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They
distributing mass pills for Albanian women in order for reducing Kosovars
birth rates. Kosova is still under chains.
>
> The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which
are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence. Europe
does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims.
>
> Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in
Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor freedom
from Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim
Kosova from the Christian Europe! Pope never cried for just 1 hour far
flying Kosova...
>
> HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
> May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim
people!
> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!
>
> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial
masters have imposed on them!
>
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35
>  marta gazideda wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Blumi,
> >
> >I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of
their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I
would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita",
"pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
> >
> >I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians,
with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim
religion.
> >
> >I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect
example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our
interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be
> >permitted to continue?"
>
>
>
> Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at
http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html
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From marta_gazideda at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 25 06:46:02 2001
From: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com (marta gazideda)
Date: Thu Jan 25 06:46:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-MuslimUSA] Re: A colonial mindset!
Message-ID: <F64iy54DgI6bXmdMJOt00004734@hotmail.com>

Si cfare problemi e kishnje klasifikuar problemin e Shqiptareve, Kosoves dhe 
Shqiperise qe nga 1800-tat e deri tani? Cilat jane rrenjet e konfliktit dhe 
cilat eshte pozita e Shqiptareve ne krahasim me serbet duke pasur parasyshe 
Perandorine Otomane?

(>Gjithashtu ata qe duan ta trajtojne si problem nacional e te
>motivuar ekonomikisht harojne qe konflikti ka rrenje te thella, qe 
>realiteti osman ne ballkan i vuri shqiptaret e serbet qe pozita te 
>ndryshme)

Kush na ndihmoi ne dhe UCK-se gjate luftes? Ne cka e bazoi teorine e vete 
Huntington?

(Ata harojne qe ne konfliktet ballkanike te 10 viteve te
>fundit perendimoret mbeshteten kroatet, ruset serbet e popullsite muslimane 
>Bosnjen dhe kjo eshte skema qe nderton Samuel Hungtigtoni ku paralajmeron 
>fillimin e nje konflikti ne Kosove te ndertuar sipas te njetes skeme.)

Pse i sulmuan xhamite trupat serbe perpos per te propaguar "fundamentalistet 
muslimane qe duan ta shkaterrojne Evropen"? Pse te na therrasin "turq" 
perpos te propagojne dhe ta bindin boten se "s'ka Shqiptare ne Kosove, kjo 
popullate ka prejardhje prej Perandorise Osmane dhe si e tille duhet te 
shperngulet ne Turqi, ne shtetin te vet"?

(Jo me kot xhamite ishin shenjester e trupave serbe(
>mbi 200 te shkaterruara).Ish-ushtare te UCK-se kane treguar se si ushtaret 
>serbe i therrisnin ata: o turq.Ata qe nuk i shohin keto realitete nuk mund 
>te kene nje pamje te qarte te problemeve qe ka bota shqiptare.)

Pyetjet e mia jane retorike; megjithate pajtohemi ne nji pike: perderisa nuk 
e shofim dhe pranojme realitetin, dobesite dhe aftesite tona, do te kemi 
probleme.


Marta K. Gazideda


>From: "Besnik Sinani" <besi1420 at hotmail.com>
>To: marta_gazideda at hotmail.com, kosova at lycos.com, ngapeja at rocketmail.com
>CC: prishtina-e at alb-net.com, alb-muslimusa at egroups.com, 
>tetova-l at alb-net.com, cair1 at ix.netcom.com, cair at cair-net.org, 
>newyork at cair-net.org
>Subject: Re: [Alb-MuslimUSA] Re: A colonial mindset!
>Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:04:20 -0500
>
>
>Duke qene se ky eshte nje debat i shqiptareve mbi hallet e shqiptareve 
>vendosa te shkruaj ne shqip pasi me duket me vlefshme per tu futur ne 
>atmosferen e duhur.
>
>Ne ka gje nga e cila duhet hequr dore eshte  konceptimi populist ku u 
>tregohet te tjereve se si duhet ta identifikojne veten. Nese njerezit vene 
>perparesi besimit fetar apo nacionalitetit ky eshte me shume se nderrim 
>bluse, ky eshte qendrim qe nje njeri e ka mare si rjedhim i bindjeve te 
>tij, te kaluares se tij, prejardhjes se tij etj.
>
>Gjithsesi besoj se fakti se disa identifikojne veten separi si muslimane 
>nuk i ben ata shqiptare me te keqinj se ata te tjeret, qe madje mund te te 
>lodhin kordat zanore te fytit me shume se kushdo per atdheun.Me shumti te 
>tillet kane demostruar te jene tradhtaret.
>
>Por ka nje hapsire, ku mbrojtja e interesave shqiptare i bashkon njerez qe 
>kane qendrime te ndryshme ne maredhenien e tyre me Zotin :muslimane apo 
>kristiane qe jane te tille vetem sociologjikisht, muslimane ,te krishtere ( 
>qe besojne dhe praktikojne fene e tyre), apo ateiste(mohues). Ata bashkohen 
>kur eshte interes i perbashket mbrojtja e vendit te tyre dhe kjo nuk sjell 
>si kusht leshimit vend te nacionalizmit mbi besimin ne Zot.
>
>Nese lufta ne Kosove ishte mirfilli fetare apo e udhehequr per interesa 
>ekonomike te Serbise, mua te dyja pergjigjet me duken pjeserisht te verteta 
>e pjeserisht abuzive. Ata qe ngulin kembe ne te qenit teresisht motivacion 
>fetar nuk kapin tere skemen e realiteteve ballkanike, ndryshimet 
>sociologjike te popullsive te Ballkanit.
>Gjithashtu ata qe duan ta trajtojne si problem nacional e te motivuar 
>ekonomikisht harojne qe konflikti ka rrenje te thella, qe realiteti osman 
>ne ballkan i vuri shqiptaret e serbet qe pozita te ndryshme .Ata harojne qe 
>ne konfliktet ballkanike te 10 viteve te fundit perendimoret mbeshteten 
>kroatet, ruset serbet e popullsite muslimane Bosnjen dhe kjo eshte skema qe 
>nderton Samuel Hungtigtoni ku paralajmeron fillimin e nje konflikti ne 
>Kosove te ndertuar sipas te njetes skeme. Jo me kot xhamite ishin 
>shenjester e trupave serbe( mbi 200 te shkaterruara).Ish-ushtare te UCK-se 
>kane treguar se si ushtaret serbe i therrisnin ata: o turq.Ata qe nuk i 
>shohin keto realitete nuk mund te kene nje pamje te qarte te problemeve qe 
>ka bota shqiptare.
>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>It seems that I have not made myself clear. The crux of the matter is that 
>>I
>>consider myself Albanian. That is first and foremost in my mind.
>>If I am asked what I am, my response will be "I am Albanian". I would 
>>never
>>dream of answering " a Catholic/Muslim".
>>
>>Religion is a separate issue from the national identity i.e. sipas 
>>perkatjes
>>kombetare jemi shqiptare POR qe percjellim religjione te ndryshme.
>>
>>If Mr. Blumi (in this instance) has made a call to "Albanians" to combat 
>>an
>>anomaly that is damaging to our national interest than he should do that,
>>without referring to ones' religion.
>>
>>After all, Mr. Pula & Mr. Ahmetaj, on what do you base your assumption 
>>that
>>I am a Catholic? "Marta" is a Jewish name; in addition there is an old
>>Albanian song (sung in Albania only) about an Albanian female warrior 
>>named
>>Marta. The title of the song is "Kuvendon Marta me Gra".
>>
>>As for "Olsi" - you are misguided and deeply offending (others may feel
>>different) by claiming that the war in Kosove was a religious one! It was 
>>a
>>war for acquisition of land (Kosova) and its riches, creation of a Greater
>>Serbia and the annihilation of Albanians regardless of their religion!
>>
>>If there are Albanians who feel the war of Kosove was a religious one 
>>please
>>do let me know.
>>
>>The sooner we agree that the good of the nation is more important that our
>>religious beliefs the sooner we can have an independent Kosove. A Republic
>>no less.
>>
>>That is why we must decide soon: "Are we Muslims, Catholics, etc. or are 
>>we
>>Albanians?".
>>
>>If we reach the conclusion that we are Albanians (and that is all that
>>matters) everything will be easier because we will be working towards one
>>aim - our Kosove.
>>We will not need to rely on foreigners since we do have the resources to
>>build ourselves up into a great country and a great nation. It all depends
>>from our attitude.
>>
>>
>>Yours sincerely
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Marta K. Gazideda
>>
>>
>>_________________________________________________________________________
>>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
>>
>>
>>O son of Adam, I fell ill and you visited Me not. He will say: O Lord, and 
>>how should I visit You when You are the Lord of the worlds? He will say: 
>>Did you not know that My servant So-and-so had fallen ill and you visited 
>>him not? Did you not know that had you visited him you would have found Me 
>>with him? O son of Adam, I asked you for food and you fed Me not. He will 
>>say: O Lord, and how should I feed You when You are the Lord of the 
>>worlds? He will say: Did you not know that My servant So-and-so asked you 
>>for food and you fed him not? Did you not know that had you fed him you 
>>would surely have found that (the reward for doing so) with Me? O son of 
>>Adam, I asked you to give Me to drink and you gave Me not to drink. He 
>>will say: O Lord, how should I give You to drink whin You are the Lord of 
>>the worlds? He will say: My servant So-and-so asked you to give him to 
>>drink and you gave him not to drink. Had you given him to drink you would 
>>have surely found that with Me.
>>
>

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From juniku at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 25 09:59:01 2001
From: juniku at hotmail.com (juniku at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 25 09:59:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] A friend wants you to see this!
Message-ID: <048a31558141911MRELAY2@mrelay2.starwave.com>

Uk Lushi wants you to see the story http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/kosovoatrocities_010125.html from ABCNEWS.com.




From ef333 at columbia.edu  Sat Jan 27 00:12:02 2001
From: ef333 at columbia.edu (Edmund Foley)
Date: Sat Jan 27 00:12:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!
References: <OCHFHLANGJMFBAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <3A719841.71E0ED63@columbia.edu>

Just a quick point...the West, UN. etc did not just give independence to East Timor at their whim. East Timor was given independence by Portugal voluntarily as part of its decolonization in 1975 although it was annexed by Indonesian troops very soon after independence. Nevertheless East Timor held the mantle of soverign state for at least a time in the eyes of the world and this gave it a kind of claim to attention to its cause for independence which Kosova lacked.
     How long did it also suffer at the hands on Indonesia, a third of its population killed, before any action was taken?? I would say its very unfair to paint  the East Timorese as being so much better represented. If Kosova wanted to get the same type of treatment as East Timor it would have been occupied  by Serbs for twenty more years of all out killings while the West looked away with 200,000 dead at the . Also were there no "respectable" Muslim clerics or religlious leaders, in the image of Archbishop Tutu of South Africa, to gave support to Kosova's plight??? Of course there were.

       Edmund Foley.

Olsi wrote:

>              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
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>
> Dear all,
>
> I am deeply shocked with the deep impact that the colonial masters of Kosova have made on many Albanians.
> There is not a single doubt that the war in Kosova is a religious one.
>
> Albanians, a nation of 90% muslims, which are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe, after the fall of the Osmanly Devlet (Ottoman Khilafa), were the first who found the evil punishment of the new crusaders who got their country.
>
> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most highly Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting Islam.
>
> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided 8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this nation to be united into one.
>
> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, the only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is the Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... are the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their Albanian Kosovar brothers!
>
> But the Serbian and Latin puppets who control nowadays Kosova, are crazy about the idea of Muslim Unity and help in Kosova. Europe will never allow Kosova to have a protector Sultan, who will protect the innocent Albanians from the Serbian orthodox yoke. Since Serbs clearly identify themselves as Orthodox, get money, weapons and blessing from Athens and Moscow, Albanians are strictly forbiden and encouraged from their COLONIAL MASTERS to seek help from Istanbul and Mecca.... This is the best strategy of the Orthodox and Catholic world, on keeping Kosova weak, without any support and abandoned....
>
> And we are seing the results!!!
> Yes, the war of Kosova was just a show!
> Nowadays UCK is dead. The Serbs are compromising with the Catholic masters of Europe. Romani Prodi and all the EU are supporting Kostunica with money and weapons. UN mission in Kosova is duing the work of Serbia. They distributing mass pills for Albanian women in order for reducing Kosovars birth rates. Kosova is still under chains.
>
> The hipocritical Kosovar lidership of Ibrahim Rugova and his clan, which are simpy Vatican's puppets, will never lead Kosova to independence. Europe does not loves Albanians, because they are Muslims.
>
> Pope, the master of Rugova, in the case of East Timor, send a cry in Washington for his catholic followers...... they gave to East Timor freedom from Muslim Indonesia, but Europe will never give independence to Muslim Kosova from the Christian Europe! Pope never cried for just 1 hour far flying Kosova...
>
> HISTORY IS OUR WITNESS!
> May Allah swt shows His mercy upon Kosova and its victimized Muslim people!
> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!
>
> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial masters have imposed on them!
>
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2001 17:08:35
>  marta gazideda wrote:
> >Dear Mr. Blumi,
> >
> >I assume you are addressing this message to "Albanians" regardless of their religious beliefs. If my assumption is correct (as it seems to be) I would have expected you to start the letter with a "mire dita", "pershendetje", "t'u ngate jeta" or similar.
> >
> >I neither understand nor speak Arabic, as neither do other Albanians, with exception of those who are studying Arabic Language and Muslim religion.
> >
> >I am perplexed with your quote: "My trouble is that this is a perfect example of how incapable we Muslims are in organizing to protect our interests.  How can the abuse of these symbols of hate against Muslim be
> >permitted to continue?"
>
> Get your small business started at Lycos Small Business at http://www.lycos.com/business/mail.html
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From puka at usa.net  Sat Jan 27 10:17:01 2001
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: Sat Jan 27 10:17:01 2001
Subject: [Re: [Prishtina-E] Re:  A colonial mindset!]
Message-ID: <20010127151623.8204.qmail@nwcst281.netaddress.usa.net>

> There is not a single doubt that Serbs in Kosova, (which is the most >highly
Islamic region of Europe and the World, 98% Muslims) are fighting >Islam.

The World !! ? Thats not true,, and its 95% fake Muslim, 5% real Muslim.


> Albanians are the biggest Islamic nation of Europe. Europe has divided
>8.000.000 Albanians into 4 different states, and will never allow this
>nation to be united into one.

If we have people going around preaching holy war like you do, we wont be
getting anything.

> As all Albanian secularist leaders saw it, during the war of Kosova, >the
only sincere friend of Albanians and their Causa for independence is >the
Muslim World.
> Countries like Turkey, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Chechnya etc... >are
the ones who really understand and feel the real fate of their >Albanian
Kosovar brothers!

Turkey is the only one,, the others forget it. Iran WAS AGAINST NATO bombing.
Pakistan, what did they do ? Saudi Arabia did not do anything. Chechnya ? Are
you talking about moral support from all these countries or real support such
as arms/money etc ? Since if you are including "We condemn Serbia's actions in
Kosova" then pretty much most of the world was on our side. If you mean
anything concrete then it was NATO.

> Without the Muslim help, Kosova is a dead issue!

What Muslim help ? If we stayed for Muslim help we would be waiting for 2000
years and in the end you would build a mosque in Kosova for every AK47 you
would give. The Sheikh of UAE pledged to build 400 mosques in Kosova last year
and intended to do it with UAE soldiers, his plans were stoped by Albanians
since they were furious that people were sleeping in tents and broke, they
wanted houses not mosques. I dont see the US or EU bulding 5000 churches,
actually I have not seen a single church being build by the west in Kosova.


> Shame for Albanians who can not see beyond the screen which their colonial
masters have imposed on them!

The problem is here, the vast majority of Kosovar Albanians (and Albania) do
not look at the middle east for anything, we are Europeans and Kosova will be
a European country. So its not that Albanians want to become a Islamic
republic and the EU/USA has brainwashed us. 

P.S.Where are you from ? 



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From kosova at lycos.com  Sat Jan 27 16:56:01 2001
From: kosova at lycos.com (Olsi)
Date: Sat Jan 27 16:56:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Alb-MuslimUSA] THIS IS PROPAGANDA
Message-ID: <GLGEPMFKHMBKCAAA@mailcity.com>

On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:31:13  
 Edmund Foley wrote:
>Just a quick point...the West, UN. etc did not just give independence to East Timor at their whim. East Timor was given independence by Portugal voluntarily as part of its decolonization in 1975 although it was annexed by Indonesian troops very soon after independence. 

East Timor was annexed from Indonesia bcs it was an Indonesia Island... which was taken from Portuguese years ago. The right of Indonesia upon East Timor and its Malay people is the same as Albania's right upon Sazan, Kosova etc... They are the same people. Live in the same region, have the same language and culture... Moreover many East Timoris wanted and want to stay in Indonesia.. I do not know if you guys in the West see the news from Jakarta, how East Timorian pro-Indonesians protest every day at UN's offices. 

>Nevertheless East Timor held the mantle of soverign state for at least a time in the eyes of the world and this gave it a kind of claim to attention to its cause for independence which Kosova lacked.

It kept that claim from Portugal which was crazy about it... The same claim is being held for Cyprus nowadays, this bcs Indonesia and Turkey are Muslim countries, while Serbia is a good 'brother' :(

>     How long did it also suffer at the hands on Indonesia, a third of its population killed, before any action was taken?? 

I am sorry to say but THIS IS PROPAGANDA! I do know some dozens of East Timoris here in M'sia who feel Indonesia as their homeland. But the evil thing in here is that WESTERN MEDIAS do tell what they please!
They do not for example talk about MOROS and their Islands in Philipiness which are fighting for their freedom since the days of Magelan... Western MEdias do not talk about the innocent people which Estrada's government is killing in BangsaMOro... This bcs Philipiness is a Catholic country... Instead Philipiness is being helped with money, guns etc... for committing in Bangsamoro, the worst Ethnic Cleansing that  history has ever seen. Even worst than in Kosova. But NO ONE DARES ABOUT 3.000.000 Bangsamoros and their Islands, but for some thousands of East Timoris they do. Even for Kosova Europe was forced to intervene, bcs it knew that 2.000/000 would have fled in Germany... 

The whole game is a religious one my friend!

> I would say its very unfair to paint  the East Timorese as being so much better represented. 


Pope didn;t ever cry for Kosova, but it did East Timor.


> If Kosova wanted to get the same type of treatment as East Timor it would have been occupied  by Serbs for twenty more years of all out killings while the West looked away with 200,000 dead at the . 

>From 1913 up to today, from Kosova some; 3.000.000 Albanian and Bosnian Muslims have been killed, expelled and ethnically cleansed... What does the World wants more?!

> Also were there no "respectable" Muslim clerics or religlious leaders, in the image of Archbishop Tutu of South Africa, to gave support to Kosova's plight??? 

Did you ever heard my dear freind that what was Imam Sudaisi of Mecca crying every night in the Holy Kaba during the days of 1998 - 1999? Of course you were never told this thing...

> Of course there were.

Thousands were. But depends to what info we are being exposed in our every day brainwashings.

>       Edmund Foley.

Olsi,


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From kosova at lycos.com  Sat Jan 27 16:56:18 2001
From: kosova at lycos.com (Olsi)
Date: Sat Jan 27 16:56:18 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Vatikan and Beograd... in the Kosova's war!
Message-ID: <GCGECCGKFOCKCAAA@mailcity.com>

Dear Albanian friends and those who speak Albanian,
here is one good article about the reiligious games of Vatican and Orthdoxy upon Albania and Kosova:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/alb-muslimnews/message/1029




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From zabeli at gmx.de  Sat Jan 27 18:05:02 2001
From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de)
Date: Sat Jan 27 18:05:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] [Alb-MuslimUSA] THIS IS PROPAGANDA
References: <GLGEPMFKHMBKCAAA@mailcity.com>
Message-ID: <1798.980636527@www30.gmx.net>

olsi,
in the same way as you (and as the indonenisan government ) belgrad regime
still makes propaganda of how kosova belongs and for ever belonged to
yugoslavi and they still don't quit pretending that kosovars (the 'honourable' ones)
also want to stay within yugoslavia.

your arguments just seem to be in the wrong path!

shyqa,


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> 
> 
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:31:13  
>  Edmund Foley wrote:
> >Just a quick point...the West, UN. etc did not just give independence to
> East Timor at their whim. East Timor was given independence by Portugal
> voluntarily as part of its decolonization in 1975 although it was annexed
by
> Indonesian troops very soon afte
> 
> East Timor was annexed from Indonesia bcs it was an Indonesia Island...
> which was taken from Portuguese years ago. The right of Indonesia upon
East
> Timor and its Malay people is the same as Albania's right upon Sazan,
Kosova
> etc... They are the same peopl
> 
> >Nevertheless East Timor held the mantle of soverign state for at least a
> time in the eyes of the world and this gave it a kind of claim to
attention
> to its cause for independence which Kosova lacked.
> 
> It kept that claim from Portugal which was crazy about it... The same
> claim is being held for Cyprus nowadays, this bcs Indonesia and Turkey are
> Muslim countries, while Serbia is a good 'brother' :(
> 
> >     How long did it also suffer at the hands on Indonesia, a third of
> its population killed, before any action was taken?? 
> 
> I am sorry to say but THIS IS PROPAGANDA! I do know some dozens of East
> Timoris here in M'sia who feel Indonesia as their homeland. But the evil
> thing in here is that WESTERN MEDIAS do tell what they please!
> They do not for example talk about MOROS and their Islands in Philipiness
> which are fighting for their freedom since the days of Magelan... Western
> MEdias do not talk about the innocent people which Estrada's government is
> killing in BangsaMOro... This bc
> 
> The whole game is a religious one my friend!
> 
> > I would say its very unfair to paint  the East Timorese as being so much
> better represented. 
> 
> 
> Pope didn;t ever cry for Kosova, but it did East Timor.
> 
> 
> > If Kosova wanted to get the same type of treatment as East Timor it
> would have been occupied  by Serbs for twenty more years of all out
killings
> while the West looked away with 200,000 dead at the . 
> 
> >From 1913 up to today, from Kosova some; 3.000.000 Albanian and Bosnian
> Muslims have been killed, expelled and ethnically cleansed... What does
the
> World wants more?!
> 
> > Also were there no "respectable" Muslim clerics or religlious leaders,
> in the image of Archbishop Tutu of South Africa, to gave support to
Kosova's
> plight??? 
> 
> Did you ever heard my dear freind that what was Imam Sudaisi of Mecca
> crying every night in the Holy Kaba during the days of 1998 - 1999? Of
course
> you were never told this thing...
> 
> > Of course there were.
> 
> Thousands were. But depends to what info we are being exposed in our every
> day brainwashings.
> 
> >       Edmund Foley.
> 
> Olsi,
> 
> 
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From ngapeja at rocketmail.com  Sun Jan 28 12:00:02 2001
From: ngapeja at rocketmail.com (Isa Blumi)
Date: Sun Jan 28 12:00:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Please Distribute
Message-ID: <20010128142428.25559.qmail@web1610.mail.yahoo.com>

I request that everyone reading this, take the time to
actually understand what I am writing and read the
entire message.  Following my brief tirade, I will
provide you with two articles, the first from AP
reporting on the NPR (National Public Radio) story
aired last week and the second, reporting the OSCE?s
response. (Organization on Security and Cooperation in
Europe one of the two pillars of the administrative
body governing Kosova today).  I wish to give you some
background so when you do decide to take action, which
any human being (Muslim, Catholic, Leftist, Serb,
Albanian or Palestinian) will feel compelled to take,
you can adequately address the pertinent issues at
play.  
When I was working for Kosovapress during the war, we
were trying to push the story of Serb attempts to
destroy evidence of massive human rights abuses by
shipping the bodies of its victims in Kosova to
Serbia-proper for disposal.  We had a witness report
to us, from his hideout in Italy, how he drove a
refrigerated truck on several occasions from a Serb
military base outside Prishtina to a smelter inside
Serbia.  Despite the top-secret atmosphere he was
compelled to investigate just what he was transporting
and arranged for his friends to help him open the back
of his truck and then flee Serbia (knowing full well
his life was in danger).  Inside he found the
refrigerated truck packed with bodies, he surmised
that he was taking these bodies to a smelter where the
to bodies would be burned.  That is before NATO
bombing!  Throughout the war I was pestering NATO, US
military officials and journalists to watch for such
activities, clearly the Serbs learned from Bosnia and
recognized they needed to destroy evidence that could
lead to their indictment.  Sure enough, throughout the
war, we were receiving reports of the burning of whole
families inside homes, the detailed effort to avoid
mass graves whenever possible, burying people (using
Roma gravediggers) in individual graves (the
international war crimes tribunal in the Hague does
not count individual graves, that is why apologists
for Serbia constantly site the Hague statistics which
only counts bodies identified in mass graves.)  There
were also frequent ?leaks? to the media thanks to the
brave work of Kosovars and sympathetic elements inside
NATO of mass graves discovered by satellite.  That
these graves were eventually emptied suggests the
bodies were disposed of in some way.  That was during
the war.  Again, during the Kumonova meetings to end
hostilities I was screaming mad as I was receiving
reports from inside Kosova that while Serb negotiators
stalled at Kumanova (remember the talks would be
delayed for many days) Serb teams worked night and day
to empty as many mass graves as possible.  We
supposedly have video tape of one dump truck carrying
bodies away from a site, I know people watched from
neighboring hills and forests, witnesses are around
who could testify, clearly there are some Serbs who
want to talk. When we returned to Kosova, I
immediately pressed journalists coming in to go to
Trepca because we knew they were burning bodies there.
 The few journalists who attempted were turned back by
first Serb paramilitaries who guarded the roads well
after they were supposed to have left, and then by
French troops.  Eventually, with enough pressure, but
about two to three weeks after the French (and Serbs)
secured the area, a few journalists were allowed to
visit some parts of the site.  Of course they reported
nothing conclusive.  I asked the former head
prosecutor of the tribunal, when she came to Pristhina
after the war ended about what I had been trying to
get journalists to report, she could not reveal what
evidence the court was going to use against those
indicated but added (and this was a clear sign to all
of us that the court knew about these activities) that
?destroying evidence is an admission of guilt.?  
	This leads us to today and what I think is a very
brave gesture by a man with no real interest in
helping Kosovars.  A journalist for NPR, Montgomery is
his name, has risked his life to travel in Serbia and
interview those who actually participated in burning
human bodies in Trepca.  I know a bit about Montgomery
and I know he does not love Kosovar Albanians, he did
this because there is a story, a disgusting travesty
which could potentially shake the foundations of the
last two years.  Of course, the OSCE and the UN are
actively engaged in shutting this news out.  Why? 
They have spent the last year and a half demonizing
Kosovar Albanians, accusing them of conducting ?ethnic
cleansing in reverse? when they fully know that the
overwhelming majority of the Serbs who were
administrating Kosova for Belgrade, left with the Serb
military.  The international community, (remember
China, France and Russia are actively against Kosova?s
independence for their own reasons) has worked towards
delegitimizing Kosova?s claims to independence, and
the news of Serbs committing mass murder and then
burning the bodies would be such a compelling argument
for Kosovars to live independently from the Serb state
that such information had to be repressed.
	I am bringing this issue to you today for one simple
reason.  This is a second chance for Kosova.
Montgomery has risked his life to get the story out
and now the OSCE is pulling out the stops to suppress
it by saying French teams ?looked at the mines.? 
French forensic teams have an interest in not finding
evidence people, it is scandalous that this
international body would resort to such a level of
cover up to deflect a potential earth-shaker.  It is
like the allies suppressing news of concentration
camps during World War II.  If the world got wind and
were properly stimulated, this could get Kosova back
on the agenda.  Montgomery has given Kosova that
second chance, a chance that neither Rugova, Thaci nor
any other Kosovar has been able to give.  We Kosovars
lost the game because, as I warned almost two years
ago, we are not fighting the PR war.  Very few
influential people wanted to listen to me back then,
they were too important and had their own ambitions. 
Now most of them are finished, but Kosova is also a
dead issue. Kosova?s independence is not going to
happen unless we take to the streets.  This is our
last chance.  
Those reading on the various lists did not get my
point in the last message about the need to protest
Serb nationalist gestures by two players in the NBA. 
Instead of getting together and writing letters of
protest, contacting the media, etc., most elected to
fight petty little battles about whether or not it was
acceptable to be associated with Muslims or if we
should be communicating in one language or another. 
That last task was easy compared to this one.  You
clearly did not catch on.  Let me make this as clear
as possible.  IT IS UP TO ALL OF YOU IN THE WEST, IN
YOUR COMFORTABLE DIGITALIZED WORLDS TO GET OFF YOUR
ASSES AND MOBILIZE!  DON?T LET A CNN-ARTICULATE
MORALITY/WORLD VIEW KEEP YOU FROM FIGHTING FOR YOUR
COUNTRY?S FREEDOM!!   If you do not take advantage of
this opportunity, this will be the last chance to
lose.  I purpose that all of us  abandon the petty
ego-trips, rally around the idea of Kosova being free,
and get to the streets, set up daily protests in front
of the UN and Serb consulates in the US, Australia and
Europe.  How can there be people marching against the
Turkish state after 85 years (The Armenian issue),
kids throwing stones and dying in Palestine, people
still fighting in Chechneya and tens of thousands
protesting against Abortion rights and Kosovars cannot
organize to demand their independence!  There should
be a person standing in protest for every hostage
still in Serb prisons, that makes more than a
thousand, every day until they are free.  How can
Kostunica be allowed to travel with these people still
in prisons, being auctioned off to the family with
50,000 DM!!???.  Do not feel powerless.  Look what
several hundred anti-globalization protesters can do,
look at the press they get when they get within fifty
miles of Davos.  And here are the Kosovars, content
with being vilified as drug dealers and terrorists. 
This is your chance to do justice to the sacrifice of
hundreds of thousands of our ancestors who died for
their dignity over the centuries.  If not for them,
then for your own self interests.  It is in your own
self interest because what we have now is the utter
lack of dignity, the world does not recognize our
right to self-determination, to justice, to freedom
and security.  All that silly debate about one?s faith
and Albanian/Kosovar identity means nothing if you
cannot stand up and defend honor and demand to have
your fellow Kosovars? life treated equally as a
Europeans.  Are you content with the idea that Serbs
or Russians can burn our bodies to hide the fact that
they tortured and murdered us?  Are you happy with
being polluted to death, to be ignored and not
permitted to travel?  If we cannot mobilize public
opinion about the fact that the great powers are
trying to cover up the incineration of human bodies,
after ?WORLD GENOCIDE DAY? was just observed in
Europe, then I swear, I will never take up the cause
of Kosova again.  I have spent too many days of my
life fighting this battle, often alone.  I no longer
want to go to conferences throughout Europe and be the
only one fighting, arguing and ultimately screaming
for Kosova.  I have tarnished too much of my academic
career with associations of being a ?terrorist? and
?radical? to continue this alone.  People are already
tired of me because to them, Kosova is finished, a
done deal.  I want to see this issue brought to the
surface so I can go to Berlin, Florence and London and
point to the newspapers, to the streets outside.  ACT
RESPONSIBLY FOR ONCE DAMNIT!!.  DO THIS RIGHT!!! 
There are Jewish organizations that will have to
support our fight just because of the nature of the
crimes and the people who are covering it up, there
are members in the US Senate and Congress who have
supported our cause and will publicize this if you
articulate the arguments for them, most of all, you
have to get the press involved who will always want a
good story.  You get their attention by taking to the
streets, and I do not mean some pathetic dozen kids
carrying misspelled banners that lasts two hours, but
thousands, every day.
	And for those of you in Kosova right now, there
should be a day-long strike organized immediately. 
All those disgusted by what has happened, no matter if
you are American, German, Kosovar Albanian or Serb,
you should participate in protesting the burning of
human bodies and then its cover up by the
international community.  The Kosovar newspapers and
radio programs should universally call on a one-day
strike, screw the OSCE sanctions, if you are
intimidated by threats of your radio show being closed
down, if you do not want to lose your job, then you
just answered the question for the world, there is a
price for your freedom, and a pretty low one at that. 
I am especially addressing all employees of NGOs, the
OSCE and UNMIK.  You should organize to not show up
for work, close Kosova down!!!!?
This is the opportunity, it has come from an unlikely
source, the Serbs themselves.  The men who burned
human bodies for Serbia?s political leaders felt
disgusted by what they did and risked their lives
talking to Montgomery, the least you could do is do
this last, desperate act to save Kosova from itself. 
Do not wait for Thaci, Rugova or Haradinaj,  they will
not be there, Kouchner, Albright and Clinton are gone,
it is up to everyone single one of you.  Please, look
at what the world should know about what happened and
look at what the OSCE and UNMIK are trying to do to
silence it.

TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, MOBILIZE!


Friday, January 26 6:03 AM SGT 
Report: Serbs Burned Victims' Bodies
VIENNA, Austria (AP) - Special forces loyal to former
Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic burned the bodies
of hundreds of ethnic Albanians in a blast furnace
before pulling out of Kosovo ahead of NATO troops,
says a National Public Radio report airing Thursday. 
Men involved in the clandestine operation, which was
intended to cover up atrocities that could lead to war
crimes charges, said up to 1,500 bodies were burned at
the Trepca lead refinery, the report says. 
That accounts for about half the Kosovo Albanians
still missing more than a year and a half after
Milosevic's forces pulled out of the province. 
The men, identified only by their first names,
described how bodies were unearthed from freshly dug
graves later identified by NATO satellites gathering
evidence of possible Serb atrocities in Kosovo. 
Because they were too big to fit in the furnace, the
bodies were first put in a grinder used for ore
processing before being placed on the furnace conveyor
belt, said one man involved in the operation. 
Milosevic is under indictment by the U.N. tribunal at
The Hague, Netherlands, for alleged involvement in the
Kosovo atrocities. Carla Del Ponte, the tribunal's
senior prosecutor, failed in three days of talks that
ended Thursday to convince the new Yugoslav leadership
to agree to his extradition and trial. 
Milosevic pulled his forces out of Kosovo in mid-1999
in exchange for an end to months of NATO bombing, as
part of a Kosovo peace treaty. Although the ethnic
Albanian majority province formally remains part of
Serbia, Yugoslavia's larger republic, it is run by the
United Nations and a NATO-led peacekeeping force. 
A man identified only as Dusko, a member of Serbia's
special forces, told NPR the campaign was an attempt
to hide evidence of atrocities - whole villages
destroyed and their inhabitants killed. 
``I think our people understood that, sooner or later
... The Hague Tribunal might come into Kosovo,'' he
was quoted as saying in the script, made available to
The Associated Press. 
Others said the bodies - mostly men, but also
including women and children - were transported at
night in refrigerated vehicles to Trepca's Zvecan lead
refinery just outside Kosovska Mitrovica, about 20
miles north of Pristina, Kosovo's capital. 
The blast furnaces ``burned at extremely high heat,''
said one of the drivers, identified as Branko. ``And
that's where the bodies got destroyed.'' 
About 120 of the bodies disposed of this way came from
Izbica, near Mitrovica, said the documentary. After
the bodies were dug up, NATO spy satellites captured
the rows of freshly opened graves and they became part
of the tribunal's evidence against Milosevic. 
``This was a horrible scene because there were so many
- like a factory assembly line - but with bodies,''
Branko was quoted as saying of the mass burnings. 
##########################
Saturday, January 27 5:23 AM SGT 
Kosovo Mass Burnings Alleged
By BARRY SCHWEID, AP Diplomatic Writer 
WASHINGTON (AP) - Former Yugoslav President Slobodan
Milosevic's forces burned bodies of victims of Serbian
atrocities in Kosovo in a campaign to destroy the
evidence of crimes, the State Department said Friday. 
Information obtained by the U.S. government beginning
in 1999 confirms there were massive killings ``and
there were attempts to burn bodies and otherwise cover
up evidence at places throughout Kosovo,'' spokesman
Richard Boucher said. 
In a documentary aired Thursday that used interviews
from men who said they were involved, Minnesota Public
Radio and National Public Radio news reported up to
1,500 bodies were burned at a lead refinery in Trepca.
That would account for about half of the ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo still missing more than a year and
a half after Milosevic pulled out of the province
under U.S. and NATO pressure. 
``The information that we had and continue to have
corroborates the broad outline of the campaign by
Milosevic's forces to destroy evidence of their
crimes,'' Boucher said. 
Asked specifically about Trepca, Boucher said, ``We
knew that this was one of the places that we were
concentrating on, where there was activity going on.
But if we were actually able to say in our report,
`They burned bodies at this site,' I don't know.'' 
Earlier, a spokeswoman for the Organization for
Security and Cooperation in Europe said investigators
had found no evidence that would substantiate the
report that elite forces loyal to Milosevic burned the
bodies in a blast furnace at Trepca. 
``Our people have had a report of this, but they found
no evidence to substantiate it,'' OSCE spokeswoman
Claire Trevena said. 
Along with the United Nations and NATO, the 55-nation
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
plays a key role in running the Serbian province of
Kosovo. 
Trevena said a French forensic team with sophisticated
equipment that was called to search for remains of any
bodies at Trepca found nothing there. 
Boucher said the United States, in May and June 1999,
briefed the international war crimes tribunal for
Yugoslavia in The Hague, The Netherlands, ``on the
Serb campaign to destroy the evidence.'' 
Boucher added: ``It's a fact that we know of and that
we've reported on in the past.'' 
On Thursday, the Bush administration said through
Boucher that it was disappointed Yugoslavia did not
work out an agreement with the chief U.N. war crimes
prosecutor to put Milosevic on trial for war crimes. 
``These things need to be worked out, and the
obligation flows from the government to the
tribunal,'' he said. 
Chief prosecutor Carla Del Ponte rejected Yugoslavia's
position. Still, she said in Belgrade she remains
``cautiously optimistic'' that Milosevic would be
extradited to the Netherlands for trial on charges of
involvement in atrocities by Serbian troops against
ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. 
He was indicted nearly two years ago, but like several
other Serb leaders accused of war crimes in the
Balkans, he has not faced trial. 
In 1999, senior French police officials in Kosovo said
the furnace at Trepca stopped operating shortly after
the start of the crackdown on Kosovo's ethnic
Albanians in late March 1999 and remained unused after
Milosevic's forces pulled out. 
Ashes at the site examined by the team also showed no
traces that would back up the report, they said. 
In Thursday's radio report, the men, identified only
by their first names, said bodies were unearthed from
freshly dug graves that were identified by NATO
satellites after the French study was done. 
At The Hague, Graham Blewitt, the U.N. tribunal's
deputy prosecutor, said tribunal investigations at the
Trepca mine ``couldn't confirm'' bodies had been
disposed of by burning but suggested it was extremely
difficult to arrive at a definite conclusion. 



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From etrit at alb-net.com  Mon Jan 29 23:40:01 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Mon Jan 29 23:40:01 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] LDK contacts? (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.32.0101292339100.19243-100000@alb-net.com>


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:37:20 EST
From: Iqk2000 at aol.com
To: support at alb-net.com
Subject: LDK contacts?

Hello,
Can you help me out with a contact number for the LDK in Pristina?
Thanks,
Irene Quaile
ABC Radio
Melbourne
AUstralia



From besnik at alb-net.com  Tue Jan 30 10:27:27 2001
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Tue Jan 30 10:27:27 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] ALPSA web site
Message-ID: <B69C9AFE.1EBB%besnik@alb-net.com>

Dear friends and colleagues,

I am very happy to announce the launch of the Albanian Political Science
Association's web site. It includes detailed information about ALPSA, a list
of its officers, and its ongoing programs. The site can be found at
http://www.alpsa.org.

Last year, ALPSA successfully organized a three-week Summer School in
Political Science and International Relations in Tirana, with courses taught
by renown professors from North American and European universities.

ALPSA's current programs are the following:

- Two-week Graduate Courses in Public Administration and Local Governance in
Prishtina (March 2001), taught by renown professors of public administration
and political science;
- Best Graduate and Undergraduate Paper Awards, with prizes of up to US$350;
- Travel and Supplementary Research Grants of up to US$500;
- The publication of the Journal of Southeast European Politics
(www.seep.ceu.hu), together with Central European University and the
Independent Macedonian Political Science Association;
- Four-week Summer School in Political Science and International Relations
(Tirana and Prishtina, Summer 2001).

Individual announcements for these programs will follow. For more details on
these programs, the association and its objectives, and how to become a
member, please visit ALPSA's web site.

Sincerely,
Besnik Pula



From juniku at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 31 19:04:02 2001
From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi)
Date: Wed Jan 31 19:04:02 2001
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Painful
Message-ID: <F125SQWBLYu7AHfo98x00001896@hotmail.com>

Poem found in the back cover of UNDP Report on Albania's developmen


Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 09:50:13 +0100
From: Mariola Xhunga <XHUNGA at unhcr.ch>
To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [NYC-L] Poem found in the back cover of UNDP Report on Albania's 
development
Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com

Probably we'll come back one day,
with few bank notes in the pocket
and a crumbled face,

In the place where we left all our love,
we'll find nothing but buried memories.

Everything will be different,
we'll have totally changed, too;
we'll continue to speak Albanian as always,

And still, we'll remain strangers,
Now in our homeland.

Besa MYFTIU

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