From albert.avgustini at zg.tel.hr Fri Feb 2 08:20:02 2001 From: albert.avgustini at zg.tel.hr (Maki) Date: Fri Feb 2 08:20:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] C'regjistrim Message-ID: <001801c08d1a$3cd60920$2a8a1dc3@maki> Ju lutem me c'regjistroni ose me udhezoni se si te c'regjistrohem vet. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From besnik at alb-net.com Sat Feb 3 07:54:01 2001 From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula) Date: Sat Feb 3 07:54:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] "Albanian extremists" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Some people were saying that why should we bother protesting against Vlade Divac's three-finger salute when we have more important things to do. Well, my friends, if we had a way of protesting against Divac, we would have also had a way of protesting against things like this. Read the news below. We are now seen as culprits and troublemakers, while the new "democrats" in Belgrade, who give promotions to war criminals, are now seen as NATO's friends against "Albanian extremists". The game has changed my friends, and we are losing. -Besnik NATO acts on Albanian extremists French peacekeepers in action in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica February 1, 2001 Web posted at: 1453 GMT BRUSSELS, Belgium (Reuters) -- NATO has announced it is to take action to prevent any attempted link-up of extremist groups seeking a Greater Albania. It said it plans to decrease the size of the buffer zone on the border between Kosovo and Serbia that is being used as a safe haven by ethnic Albanian paramilitaries. The move is an effort to curb renewed violence in Kosovo, Serbia and Macedonia, a NATO official said. NATO commanders are negotiating with Yugoslavia on possible changes to the buffer zone, he added. ANALYSIS Mitrovica: 'Kosovo in microcosm' The Yugoslav government, on good terms with NATO allies after the fall of Slobodan Milosevic, says security in Serbia's Presevo Valley is hampered by the five-kilometre (three-mile) strip along the border of Kosovo where its forces may not go. The NATO announcement came as French peacekeepers clashed with stone-throwing Kosovo-Albanian protesters in a fresh bout of violence in the flashpoint town of Mitrovica. It was the fourth day of violence in the ethnically divided town in which at least 20 soldiers have been wounded -- one critically -- and dozens of civilians have been hurt. The French troops fired percussion grenades to try to disperse the crowd of about 300 mainly young protesters in Mitrovica where trouble has flared repeatedly since Kosovo came under international control in June 1999. The protesters had gathered at the southern end of the main bridge over the Ibar River, which divides Mitrovica into Albanian and Serb-dominated sections. They were told to leave by Italian peacekeepers. They then marched to another bridge and threw some rocks at a checkpoint of French soldiers from the NATO-led KFOR multi-national peacekeeping force. The soldiers responded by firing percussion grenades, also known as stun grenades, which make a booming sound intended to scatter crowds in panic. There is also the self-proclaimed but unconfirmed emergence of a "Liberation Army of the Albanians" in Macedonia. Police in ethnically-mixed Macedonia this week arrested four Albanians for a January 22 grenade attack in which a Macedonian policeman was killed. A Macedonian spokesman said these "extreme radical individuals are not part of an organised terrorist group, but we have unconfirmed information that they are former KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) fighters." The past week has also seen a sharp flare-up of violence in the Presevo Valley buffer zone. The buffer zone was imposed on Belgrade in an agreement at the end of NATO's 78-day bombing campaign in 1999, both to separate Serb troops from incoming NATO peacekeepers and to reassure Kosovo Albanians returning to their villages. Ethnic Albanian protestors clash with KFOR troops Reformist Serbian leaders want NATO to agree to eradicate or radically narrow the strip to one or two km (a mile or less), to permit Serbian security forces to deal with the paramilitary threat, since "we are no longer enemies." "They are making proposals, and they do want changes, and we'll talk about it," the NATO official said. Many of the communities in the Presevo Valley have overwhelmingly ethnic Albanian populations whose numbers, NATO says, ought to be better reflected in local administration, police and key institutions. The paramilitaries of the Presevo "liberation army," also thought to be mainly former KLA fighters numbering up to 700, say the 70,000 Albanians need their armed protection. The NATO official said intensification of KFOR's border security in the past two months had made it "much harder for the extremists to operate with impunity." Last Friday, about 300 of the Presevo fighters paraded before around 1,000 spectators on the outskirts of Dobrosin, a village they control which is practically within hailing distance of a major U.S. Army checkpoint. Serbian authorities this week reported that the paramilitaries were fortifying their positions, particularly in the village of Veliki Trnovac, which they also control. From mentor at alb-net.com Mon Feb 12 23:49:01 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Mon Feb 12 23:49:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Chicago Council of Foreign Relations Hosts Yugoslav speaker (fwd) Message-ID: Maybe some Albanians can attend and pose questions challenging the Serb views. later, Mentor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:41:23 -0600 From: Marko Puljic To: mentor at alb-net.com Subject: Chicago Council of Foreign Relations Hosts Yugoslav speaker Mr. Aleksandar Popovic, an associate of Vojislav Kostunica will be holding a lecture on the "new" Yugoslavia at the Chicago Council of Foreign Relations on Thursday, March 15, at Hotel Inter-Continental. The lecture will be from 6-7 pm (cocktails at 5.30). Price is $25. For more info on the council visit: http://www.ccfr.org/home.html The Chicago Council on Foreign Relations 116 South Michigan Avenue 10th Floor Chicago, Illinois 60603-6097 Phone: (312)726-3860 Fax:(312)726-4491 From mentor at alb-net.com Wed Feb 14 08:37:19 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Wed Feb 14 08:37:19 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Serbs offer civil rights in peace plan Message-ID: How ironical is this: "Serbs offer civil rights in a peace plan"? First you start oppressing a group of people (Albanians in this case) by removing their God given right to live freely. Then, when they show open dissatisfaction with the oppression (what's new here?!) you tell them you will give them back the very thing you were not supposed to have taken from them?! Ok, we understand Serbs doing this. But, how come Western Diplomats also see this as a 'good' thing? As e legitimate way besides force? It is really surprising, sadly, to see the West act with such acceptance of Kostunica's moves just because he was elected 'democratically'. When it comes to Kosova and Albanians (especially in Southern Serbia) he is no different than Milosevic. later, Mentor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:33:17 +0100 From: Wolfgang Plarre To: ALBANEWS at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Subject: [ALBANEWS] NEWS: Serbs offer civil rights in peace plan (New York Times, 13 February 2001) http://www.smh.com.au/news/0102/13/world/world8.html Serbs offer civil rights in peace plan Hoping to end an ethnic Albanian insurgency that is gaining momentum along the border with Kosovo, Serbia's new government has put together a peace plan. It rules out annexation or autonomy, but proposes to demilitarise the area and grant Albanians civil rights stripped away under Slobodan Milosevic. The plan has already received support from Western diplomats who know that the alternative is allowing the Serbs to use force. "We have to give it a shot," said one Western diplomat, "but I don't know if it will really work. In the end, there is going to have to be some use of force on the Serbian side." .... [full article at: http://www.smh.com.au/news/0102/13/world/world8.html ] From p9 at mail.com Sun Feb 18 22:03:15 2001 From: p9 at mail.com (Edmond Pruthi) Date: Sun Feb 18 22:03:15 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League Message-ID: <380418709.982502448351.JavaMail.root@web394-mc> http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... Make a link of this website on your webpages please. Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American Civic League. The Civic was founded by former Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of Albanian Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered lobby in Washington, DC, representing the concerns and interests of the Albanian people. The purpose of the Civic League is to further the human rights and the national cause of the divided nation of more than seven million Albanians living side by side in the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western Macedonia, southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria (northern Greece). By bringing the political perspectives of 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, the civic League works to end the repression and oppression of Albanians living under hostile Slavic Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve the culture, identity and human rights of Albanians throughout the world. Help Kosova Defend Itself 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since 1987*. *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping away the autonomous status and rights of the Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for thousands of years.* NATO has finally answered the Butcher of Belgrade in the only language he knows: force. But Serbian President has intensified its capaign of mass execution and bombing of defenseless civilians so it is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar Albanians live under the rule of this maniac. Most millitary analysts think air power alone won't stop the Serb killing machine, but America is concerned about the lives of the American soldiers. So what's the solution? Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the human rights of all, including Serbs> They're willing and able to fight for freedom and safety, but they need the tools to protect themselves and their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are most deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As in Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led by America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and training to the KLA would support NATO objectives at small financial cost without putting American lives in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO helps Kosova defend itself. All of this you can read on the Albanian American Civic League Website at www.aacl.com ______________________________________________ FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From avelinahr at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 10:01:41 2001 From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti) Date: Mon Feb 19 10:01:41 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League In-Reply-To: <380418709.982502448351.JavaMail.root@web394-mc> Message-ID: <20010219145752.13285.qmail@web1805.mail.yahoo.com> Excuse me but what purpose does your exagerration serve for- if there were more than 1000 villages burnt or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you are talking about Kosovo? Is i t the same Kosovo, where local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? There have never been 1000 villages in Kosovo(unfortunately- because then it would not have been easy to burn those that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - bombed by NATO) Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you have any idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is ruling around- neighbouring countries are striving for a normal life as well- what kind of independence do you want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas whenever a problem with electricity or water in the region- Serbia has to fix it? Or is it idependence as a responsible one Are you gonna surrender the local mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? Please tell me, because I work for the US government and i might be able to help you. One more question- if the communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic one in Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist regime? How old are you- are over 15? - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > Make a link of this website on your webpages please. > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American > Civic League. The Civic was founded by former > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of Albanian > Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the concerns > and interests of the Albanian people. The purpose of > the Civic League is to further the human rights and > the national cause of the divided nation of more > than seven million Albanians living side by side in > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western Macedonia, > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria (northern > Greece). By bringing the political perspectives of > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, the > civic League works to end the repression and > oppression of Albanians living under hostile Slavic > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve the > culture, identity and human rights of Albanians > throughout the world. > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since 1987*. > > *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping > away the autonomous status and rights of the > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for > thousands of years.* > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of Belgrade in > the only language he knows: force. But Serbian > President has intensified its capaign of mass > execution and bombing of defenseless civilians so it > is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar Albanians > live under the rule of this maniac. Most millitary > analysts think air power alone won't stop the Serb > killing machine, but America is concerned about the > lives of the American soldiers. So what's the > solution? > > Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION > ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the > human rights of all, including Serbs> They're > willing and able to fight for freedom and safety, > but they need the tools to protect themselves and > their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are most > deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As in > Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led by > America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and > training to the KLA would support NATO objectives at > small financial cost without putting American lives > in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the > defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the > KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO helps > Kosova defend itself. > > All of this you can read on the Albanian American > Civic League Website at www.aacl.com > > ______________________________________________ > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From begra at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 12:37:44 2001 From: begra at yahoo.com (Yahoo) Date: Mon Feb 19 12:37:44 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League References: <20010219145752.13285.qmail@web1805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007601c09a9a$7029c2c0$20549284@dhcp.msn.bt.co.uk> > > Excuse me but what purpose does your exagerration > serve for- if there were more than 1000 villages burnt > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you are > talking about Kosovo? On this occassion you are excused, but next time think before you write, because it is not the author of the first mail that is confused, it is you. I am sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is talking about Milosevic legacy, destruction of Former Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian local guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they did in Bosnia. >There have never been 1000 villages in Kosovo(unfortunately- > because then it would not have been easy to burn those > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - bombed by > NATO) What areyou trying to say here? Number of villages in Kosova is determined by the easyness to burn them! > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you have any > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is ruling > around- neighbouring countries are striving for a > normal life as well- what kind of independence do you > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas whenever a > problem with electricity or water in the region- > Serbia has to fix it? No thank you very much, over last ten years we all have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can provide. But if you are so found of them, you can call on them any time you have a problem, they'll fix it for you I am sure. > Or is it idependence as a > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the local > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? > Please tell me, because I work for the US government and i > might be able to help you. Having seen the way last US election went, I would be very surprised if you did not work for US government. >One more question- if the > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic one in > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist regime? > How old are you- are over 15? Perhaps it should have been "Two more questions-" Have a life. > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages please. > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by former > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of Albanian > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the concerns > > and interests of the Albanian people. The purpose of > > the Civic League is to further the human rights and > > the national cause of the divided nation of more > > than seven million Albanians living side by side in > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western Macedonia, > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria (northern > > Greece). By bringing the political perspectives of > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, the > > civic League works to end the repression and > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile Slavic > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve the > > culture, identity and human rights of Albanians > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since 1987*. > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of Belgrade in > > the only language he knows: force. But Serbian > > President has intensified its capaign of mass > > execution and bombing of defenseless civilians so it > > is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar Albanians > > live under the rule of this maniac. Most millitary > > analysts think air power alone won't stop the Serb > > killing machine, but America is concerned about the > > lives of the American soldiers. So what's the > > solution? > > > > Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION > > ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the > > human rights of all, including Serbs> They're > > willing and able to fight for freedom and safety, > > but they need the tools to protect themselves and > > their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are most > > deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As in > > Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led by > > America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and > > training to the KLA would support NATO objectives at > > small financial cost without putting American lives > > in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the > > defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the > > KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO helps > > Kosova defend itself. > > > > All of this you can read on the Albanian American > > Civic League Website at www.aacl.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From ef333 at columbia.edu Mon Feb 19 16:16:46 2001 From: ef333 at columbia.edu (Edmund Foley) Date: Mon Feb 19 16:16:46 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League In-Reply-To: <20010219145752.13285.qmail@web1805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I believe the 300,000 dead mentioned would the aggregate total from the conflicts through Tito's Yugoslavia by Milosevic since 1990, hence Croatia, Bosnia, etc as well as Kosova. Edmund Foley On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, A. Springhetti wrote: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > Excuse me but what purpose does your exagerration > serve for- if there were more than 1000 villages burnt > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you are > talking about Kosovo? Is i t the same Kosovo, where > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? There > have never been 1000 villages in Kosovo(unfortunately- > because then it would not have been easy to burn those > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - bombed by > NATO) > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you have any > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is ruling > around- neighbouring countries are striving for a > normal life as well- what kind of independence do you > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas whenever a > problem with electricity or water in the region- > Serbia has to fix it? Or is it idependence as a > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the local > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? Please > tell me, because I work for the US government and i > might be able to help you. One more question- if the > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic one in > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist regime? > How old are you- are over 15? > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages please. > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by former > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of Albanian > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the concerns > > and interests of the Albanian people. The purpose of > > the Civic League is to further the human rights and > > the national cause of the divided nation of more > > than seven million Albanians living side by side in > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western Macedonia, > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria (northern > > Greece). By bringing the political perspectives of > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, the > > civic League works to end the repression and > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile Slavic > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve the > > culture, identity and human rights of Albanians > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since 1987*. > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of Belgrade in > > the only language he knows: force. But Serbian > > President has intensified its capaign of mass > > execution and bombing of defenseless civilians so it > > is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar Albanians > > live under the rule of this maniac. Most millitary > > analysts think air power alone won't stop the Serb > > killing machine, but America is concerned about the > > lives of the American soldiers. So what's the > > solution? > > > > Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION > > ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the > > human rights of all, including Serbs> They're > > willing and able to fight for freedom and safety, > > but they need the tools to protect themselves and > > their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are most > > deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As in > > Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led by > > America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and > > training to the KLA would support NATO objectives at > > small financial cost without putting American lives > > in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the > > defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the > > KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO helps > > Kosova defend itself. > > > > All of this you can read on the Albanian American > > Civic League Website at www.aacl.com > > > > ______________________________________________ > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > From mentor at alb-net.com Mon Feb 19 17:27:04 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Mon Feb 19 17:27:04 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Are we awake? Let's open our eyes before the world media starts calling us terrorists! Message-ID: Dear friends, The article below talks about the fighting in Souther Serbia. From an Albanian perspective the fight is against an oppressor (Serbia) of many decades. However, as you see in the article below the Serbs refer to Albanian freedom fighters as terrorist. The term terrorist more and more is being used by the western media (albeit in quotes). The very first use of the word "terrorism" is used by washingtonpost.com as if they agree with that - maybe they do maybe they don't. If this trend of labeling continues without protest the media will see no stop in referring to Albanians as terrorist. Hope I'm wrong in my assessment. However, given the fact that the current Serbian government is treated as democratic one by the west, what a paradox!, the west may give them the "green" light to fight the "terrorism". We need to start talking..... action is needed in educating the media about the truth... later, Mentor --- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010219/aponline024703_000.htm Yugoslavia Urges Action After Blast By Suzana Popovic Associated Press Writer Monday, Feb. 19, 2001; 2:47 a.m. EST PRISTINA, Yugoslavia -- Yugoslavia's leaders promised a crackdown on terrorism along the Kosovo border and demanded action from NATO peacekeepers following two explosions that left at least 10 Serbs dead. Serb authorities blamed ethnic Albanian militants for the mine that killed three police officers Sunday and a bus bombing within Kosovo that killed at least seven civilians Friday. The rebels denied responsibility and said one of their commanders was killed by Serb police later Sunday in Lucane, just outside a buffer zone separating Kosovo province from the rest of Serbia, the larger of the two republics that make up Yugoslavia. Top Yugoslav and Serbian leaders met late Sunday to discuss the mounting violence, and President Vojislav Kostunica's office released a statement pledging a "series of measures against terrorism" in the area. Yugoslavia also urged NATO-led peacekeepers to stop the flow of arms and guerrillas in the buffer zone, which rebels have used to stage attacks on Serbian police and Yugoslav army troops. The militants want to join the zone with Kosovo as part of a push for independence for the Serbian province, which has been run by the United Nations and NATO-led peacekeepers since June 1999, when Yugoslavia halted its crackdown on the Albanian majority after a NATO bombing campaign. Friday's bombing of a bus carrying Serbs to visit the graves of relatives in Kosovo killed at least seven people and wounded 43, the deadliest attack in the province since 13 Serb farmers were machine-gunned to death while tilling their fields in July 1999. "I think that the terrorists the other day were trying to send a message to several constituencies at once," Brig. Gen. Rob Fry, commander of the British peacekeepers, said Sunday. The three policemen died Sunday when their van was demolished by what were believed to be anti-tank mines on a road near Lucane, a southern Serbian village just outside the three-mile-wide buffer zone. The zone was created to prevent what officials feared would be clashes between Serbian forces and the NATO-led peacekeepers patrolling Kosovo under the 1999 peace deal for the province. Only lightly armed Serbian police are allowed to enter the zone, and ethnic Albanian militants have taken control of most of the strip in recent months. Yugoslav authorities say the peacekeepers have failed to fulfill a mandate to keep the ethnic Albanian militants and their weapons out of the buffer zone. Yugoslav Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic appealed Sunday to NATO Secretary-General George Robertson to ensure that the peacekeeping force immediately seal Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. The militants have attacked Serbian police inside the zone and sometimes launch attacks across the line into Serbia proper. The explosion Sunday took place about 200 yards outside the zone. Serbian police came under fire while trying to pull out the wreckage of the wrecked police vehicle, a government statement said. No one was injured, but Serbian officials reported a further exchange of gunfire between police and the rebels in the buffer zone later Sunday. A spokesman for the ethnic Albanian militants, Jonuz Musliu, said one rebel commander was killed by Serb police Sunday in Lucane and another commander and a soldier were wounded. Musliu, the political officer of the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac, denied the group was behind the policemen's deaths and condemned the bus bombing. Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Nebojsa Covic, who submitted a peace plan for the buffer zone to NATO earlier this week, said the government's patience was wearing thin. "It is not permissible that such attacks continue," Covic said. "We also demand from the international community specific decisions." Meanwhile, U.N. officials in Kosovo's capital, Pristina, said a German forensic team had begun identifying victims in the bus attack by examining bodies and body parts laid out in a large tent. There were fears that the death toll could rise. Hundreds of Serbs gathered Sunday in the Serb enclave of Gracanica, some six miles south of Pristina, to protest Friday's bombing. Tens of thousands of Serbs have fled their homes in Kosovo since the United Nations and NATO took over, fearing reprisals following former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's crackdown on the province's ethnic Albanians. ? Copyright 2001 The Associated Press From avelinahr at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 21:15:01 2001 From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti) Date: Mon Feb 19 21:15:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League In-Reply-To: <007601c09a9a$7029c2c0$20549284@dhcp.msn.bt.co.uk> Message-ID: <20010220021414.10691.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you for the clarification But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE against Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" regime) I thought against this regime more than 15 years ago Fighting is difficult Because people do not stand up together I am for BALKANS UNITED I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the killers and rapers get their spoon? I have a life. It is my third one- in this life. Write. --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your exagerration > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 villages > burnt > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you are > > talking about Kosovo? > > On this occassion you are excused, but next time > think before you write, because it is not the author > of the first mail that is confused, it is you. I am > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is talking > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of Former > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian local > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they did in > Bosnia. > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > because then it would not have been easy to burn > those > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - bombed by > > NATO) > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of villages > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to burn > them! > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you have > any > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is > ruling > > around- neighbouring countries are striving for a > > normal life as well- what kind of independence do > you > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas > whenever a > > problem with electricity or water in the region- > > Serbia has to fix it? > > No thank you very much, over last ten years we all > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can provide. > But if you are so found of them, you can call on > them any time you have a problem, they'll fix it for > you I am sure. > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the local > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > government and i > > might be able to help you. > > Having seen the way last US election went, I would > be very surprised if you did not work for US > government. > > >One more question- if the > > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic one in > > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist regime? > > How old are you- are over 15? > > Perhaps it should have been "Two more questions-" > > Have a life. > > > > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum > --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with > > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages > please. > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American > > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by former > > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of > Albanian > > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered > > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the > concerns > > > and interests of the Albanian people. The > purpose of > > > the Civic League is to further the human rights > and > > > the national cause of the divided nation of more > > > than seven million Albanians living side by side > in > > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western > Macedonia, > > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria > (northern > > > Greece). By bringing the political perspectives > of > > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, > the > > > civic League works to end the repression and > > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile > Slavic > > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve > the > > > culture, identity and human rights of Albanians > > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since > 1987*. > > > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping > > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for > > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of > Belgrade in > > > the only language he knows: force. But Serbian > > > President has intensified its capaign of mass > > > execution and bombing of defenseless civilians > so it > > > is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar > Albanians > > > live under the rule of this maniac. Most > millitary > > > analysts think air power alone won't stop the > Serb > > > killing machine, but America is concerned about > the > > > lives of the American soldiers. So what's the > > > solution? > > > > > > Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION > > > ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the > > > human rights of all, including Serbs> They're > > > willing and able to fight for freedom and > safety, > > > but they need the tools to protect themselves > and > > > their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are > most > > > deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As > in > > > Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led > by > > > America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and > > > training to the KLA would support NATO > objectives at > > > small financial cost without putting American > lives > > > in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the > > > defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the > > > KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO > helps > > > Kosova defend itself. > > > > > > All of this you can read on the Albanian > American > > > Civic League Website at www.aacl.com > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > > > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > - only $35 > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From avelinahr at yahoo.com Mon Feb 19 22:21:02 2001 From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti) Date: Mon Feb 19 22:21:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Are we awake? Let's open our eyes before the world media starts calling us terrorists! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010220032056.20591.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> Nato has no compassion , it has strategies and political views. It acts based on those. Media will respond according to the descriptins given- before it were atrocity reports, now it is terrorists from kosovo. Who expected anything else. we already witnessed Bosnia and its savior- bosnia doesnot exist any more There is an old proverb: " The wolf doesnot ask the sheep for a favor and the sheep does not ask the wolf for a favor. " --- Mentor Cana wrote: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > Dear friends, > > The article below talks about the fighting in > Souther Serbia. From an > Albanian perspective the fight is against an > oppressor (Serbia) of many > decades. > > However, as you see in the article below the Serbs > refer to Albanian > freedom fighters as terrorist. The term terrorist > more and more is being > used by the western media (albeit in quotes). The > very first use > of the word "terrorism" is used by > washingtonpost.com as if they agree with > that - maybe they do maybe they don't. > > If this trend of labeling continues without protest > the media will see no > stop in referring to Albanians as terrorist. Hope > I'm wrong in my > assessment. However, given the fact that the current > Serbian government is > treated as democratic one by the west, what a > paradox!, the west may give > them the "green" light to fight the "terrorism". > > We need to start talking..... action is needed in > educating the media > about the truth... > > later, > Mentor > > --- > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010219/aponline024703_000.htm > > Yugoslavia Urges Action After Blast > > By Suzana Popovic > Associated Press Writer > Monday, Feb. 19, 2001; 2:47 a.m. EST > > PRISTINA, Yugoslavia -- Yugoslavia's leaders > promised a crackdown on > terrorism along the Kosovo border and demanded > action from NATO > peacekeepers following two explosions that left at > least 10 Serbs dead. > Serb authorities blamed ethnic Albanian > militants for the mine that > killed three police officers Sunday and a bus > bombing within Kosovo that > killed at least seven civilians Friday. > The rebels denied responsibility and said one of > their commanders > was killed by Serb police later Sunday in Lucane, > just outside a buffer > zone separating Kosovo province from the rest of > Serbia, the larger of > the two republics that make up Yugoslavia. > Top Yugoslav and Serbian leaders met late Sunday > to discuss the > mounting violence, and President Vojislav > Kostunica's office released a > statement pledging a "series of measures against > terrorism" in the area. > Yugoslavia also urged NATO-led peacekeepers to > stop the flow of arms > and guerrillas in the buffer zone, which rebels have > used to stage > attacks on Serbian police and Yugoslav army troops. > The militants want to join the zone with Kosovo > as part of a push > for independence for the Serbian province, which has > been run by the > United Nations and NATO-led peacekeepers since June > 1999, when > Yugoslavia halted its crackdown on the Albanian > majority after a NATO > bombing campaign. > Friday's bombing of a bus carrying Serbs to > visit the graves of > relatives in Kosovo killed at least seven people and > wounded 43, the > deadliest attack in the province since 13 Serb > farmers were > machine-gunned to death while tilling their fields > in July 1999. > "I think that the terrorists the other day were > trying to send a > message to several constituencies at once," Brig. > Gen. Rob Fry, > commander of the British peacekeepers, said Sunday. > The three policemen died Sunday when their van > was demolished by > what were believed to be anti-tank mines on a road > near Lucane, a > southern Serbian village just outside the > three-mile-wide buffer zone. > The zone was created to prevent what officials > feared would be > clashes between Serbian forces and the NATO-led > peacekeepers patrolling > Kosovo under the 1999 peace deal for the province. > Only lightly armed Serbian police are allowed to > enter the zone, and > ethnic Albanian militants have taken control of most > of the strip in > recent months. > Yugoslav authorities say the peacekeepers have > failed to fulfill a > mandate to keep the ethnic Albanian militants and > their weapons out of > the buffer zone. > Yugoslav Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic > appealed Sunday to NATO > Secretary-General George Robertson to ensure that > the peacekeeping force > immediately seal Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. > The militants have attacked Serbian police > inside the zone and > sometimes launch attacks across the line into Serbia > proper. The > explosion Sunday took place about 200 yards outside > the zone. > Serbian police came under fire while trying to > pull out the wreckage > of the wrecked police vehicle, a government > statement said. > No one was injured, but Serbian officials > reported a further > exchange of gunfire between police and the rebels in > the buffer zone > later Sunday. > A spokesman for the ethnic Albanian militants, > Jonuz Musliu, said > one rebel commander was killed by Serb police Sunday > in Lucane and > another commander and a soldier were wounded. > Musliu, the political officer of the Liberation > Army of Presevo, > Medvedja and Bujanovac, denied the group was behind > the policemen's > deaths and condemned the bus bombing. > Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Nebojsa Covic, who > submitted a peace > plan for the buffer zone to NATO earlier this week, > said the > government's patience was wearing thin. > "It is not permissible that such attacks > continue," Covic said. "We > also demand from the international community > specific decisions." > Meanwhile, U.N. officials in Kosovo's capital, > Pristina, said a > German forensic team had begun identifying victims > in the bus attack by > examining bodies and body parts laid out in a large > tent. There were > fears that the death toll could rise. > Hundreds of Serbs gathered Sunday in the Serb > enclave of Gracanica, > some six miles south of Pristina, to protest > Friday's bombing. > Tens of thousands of Serbs have fled their homes > in Kosovo since the > United Nations and NATO took over, fearing reprisals > following former > Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's crackdown on > the province's > ethnic Albanians. > > ? Copyright 2001 The Associated Press > > > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From zabeli at gmx.de Tue Feb 20 03:32:02 2001 From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de) Date: Tue Feb 20 03:32:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League References: <20010220021414.10691.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12786.982657784@www25.gmx.net> for whom did you work in your first and second life? > > Thank you for the clarification > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE against > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" regime) > I thought against this regime more than 15 years ago > Fighting is difficult > Because people do not stand up together > I am for BALKANS UNITED > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the killers and > rapers get their spoon? > I have a life. It is my third one- in this life. > Write. > --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your exagerration > > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 villages > > burnt > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you are > > > talking about Kosovo? > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but next time > > think before you write, because it is not the author > > of the first mail that is confused, it is you. I am > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is talking > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of Former > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian local > > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they did in > > Bosnia. > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > > because then it would not have been easy to burn > > those > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - bombed by > > > NATO) > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of villages > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to burn > > them! > > > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you have > > any > > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is > > ruling > > > around- neighbouring countries are striving for a > > > normal life as well- what kind of independence do > > you > > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas > > whenever a > > > problem with electricity or water in the region- > > > Serbia has to fix it? > > > > No thank you very much, over last ten years we all > > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can provide. > > But if you are so found of them, you can call on > > them any time you have a problem, they'll fix it for > > you I am sure. > > > > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the local > > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? > > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > > government and i > > > might be able to help you. > > > > Having seen the way last US election went, I would > > be very surprised if you did not work for US > > government. > > > > >One more question- if the > > > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic one in > > > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist regime? > > > How old are you- are over 15? > > > > Perhaps it should have been "Two more questions-" > > > > Have a life. > > > > > > > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum > > --- > > > > Archives: > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website with > > > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages > > please. > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian American > > > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by former > > > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of > > Albanian > > > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only registered > > > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the > > concerns > > > > and interests of the Albanian people. The > > purpose of > > > > the Civic League is to further the human rights > > and > > > > the national cause of the divided nation of more > > > > than seven million Albanians living side by side > > in > > > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western > > Macedonia, > > > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria > > (northern > > > > Greece). By bringing the political perspectives > > of > > > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US Government, > > the > > > > civic League works to end the repression and > > > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile > > Slavic > > > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to preserve > > the > > > > culture, identity and human rights of Albanians > > > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since > > 1987*. > > > > > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally stripping > > > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA for > > > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of > > Belgrade in > > > > the only language he knows: force. But Serbian > > > > President has intensified its capaign of mass > > > > execution and bombing of defenseless civilians > > so it > > > > is clearly foolish to demand that Kosovar > > Albanians > > > > live under the rule of this maniac. Most > > millitary > > > > analysts think air power alone won't stop the > > Serb > > > > killing machine, but America is concerned about > > the > > > > lives of the American soldiers. So what's the > > > > solution? > > > > > > > > Ushtrian ?lirimtare e Kosoves (KOSOVA LIBERATION > > > > ARMY) are already on the ground and respect the > > > > human rights of all, including Serbs> They're > > > > willing and able to fight for freedom and > > safety, > > > > but they need the tools to protect themselves > > and > > > > their families. As in Bosnia, Serb troops are > > most > > > > deadly when slaughtering unarmed civilians. As > > in > > > > Bosnia, Milosevic only responded to a NATO led > > by > > > > America. As in Bosnia, providing weapons and > > > > training to the KLA would support NATO > > objectives at > > > > small financial cost without putting American > > lives > > > > in jeopardy. We need to tell Washington that the > > > > defenders of life and liberty in KOSOVA, are the > > > > KLA, and that genocide can be stopped if NATO > > helps > > > > Kosova defend itself. > > > > > > > > All of this you can read on the Albanian > > American > > > > Civic League Website at www.aacl.com > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________ > > > > FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com > > > > Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > > > Prishtina-E discussion forum: > > > > Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > > > > > > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > > - only $35 > > > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From avelinahr at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 09:08:02 2001 From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti) Date: Tue Feb 20 09:08:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League In-Reply-To: <12786.982657784@www25.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20010220140732.13340.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is my third life. It was a joke- I still have sense of humor, which I am not going to give up, even if you insist. Calling communism(actually socialism- that is what it was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a bit innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime been 'slavic"?- I do not think so. So as you know the issue is complex. About those, who perished and were tortured,- I bow my head- not only for albanians, for all- and most of all I bow my head for those who can make a distinction whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic hatred. Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you simply take pleasure in talking? But you go for it, because nationalism has always existed. Distinction is needed to make something good, unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich killed the albanians. How about the serbs that he killed. Or that was alright. I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a nice day. --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > for whom did you work in your first and second life? > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE > against > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" regime) > > I thought against this regime more than 15 years > ago > > Fighting is difficult > > Because people do not stand up together > > I am for BALKANS UNITED > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the killers > and > > rapers get their spoon? > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this life. > > Write. > > --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your > exagerration > > > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 > villages > > > burnt > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you > are > > > > talking about Kosovo? > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but next time > > > think before you write, because it is not the > author > > > of the first mail that is confused, it is you. I > am > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is > talking > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of Former > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian local > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they did > in > > > Bosnia. > > > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > > > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > > > because then it would not have been easy to > burn > > > those > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - > bombed by > > > > NATO) > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of > villages > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to burn > > > them! > > > > > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you > have > > > any > > > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is > > > ruling > > > > around- neighbouring countries are striving > for a > > > > normal life as well- what kind of independence > do > > > you > > > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas > > > whenever a > > > > problem with electricity or water in the > region- > > > > Serbia has to fix it? > > > > > > No thank you very much, over last ten years we > all > > > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can > provide. > > > But if you are so found of them, you can call on > > > them any time you have a problem, they'll fix it > for > > > you I am sure. > > > > > > > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the > local > > > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? > > > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > > > government and i > > > > might be able to help you. > > > > > > Having seen the way last US election went, I > would > > > be very surprised if you did not work for US > > > government. > > > > > > >One more question- if the > > > > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic > one in > > > > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist > regime? > > > > How old are you- are over 15? > > > > > > Perhaps it should have been "Two more > questions-" > > > > > > Have a life. > > > > > > > > > > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion > Forum > > > --- > > > > > Archives: > > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website > with > > > > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > > > > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages > > > please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian > American > > > > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by > former > > > > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of > > > Albanian > > > > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only > registered > > > > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the > > > concerns > > > > > and interests of the Albanian people. The > > > purpose of > > > > > the Civic League is to further the human > rights > > > and > > > > > the national cause of the divided nation of > more > > > > > than seven million Albanians living side by > side > > > in > > > > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western > > > Macedonia, > > > > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > > > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria > > > (northern > > > > > Greece). By bringing the political > perspectives > > > of > > > > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US > Government, > > > the > > > > > civic League works to end the repression and > > > > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile > > > Slavic > > > > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to > preserve > > > the > > > > > culture, identity and human rights of > Albanians > > > > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > > > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > > > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > > > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > > > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > > > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > > > > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since > > > 1987*. > > > > > > > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally > stripping > > > > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > > > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA > for > > > > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of > > > Belgrade in > > > > > the only language he knows: force. But > Serbian > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From zabeli at gmx.de Tue Feb 20 13:03:02 2001 From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:03:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League References: <20010220140732.13340.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5269.982692161@www10.gmx.net> the roots of communism are, as every body knows, in russia (the self proclameted slavic mother of all slavic countrys); so one can freely assume that the comunism in albania was connected as well with an slavic issue - the "donaters" of communism in albania were also slaves: miladin popovic and ? (i don't have the second name in my mind any more; may be some body can write it!). nobody is making a distinction of milosveics evil - of course he is also evil for killing serbs; but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate him for killing themselves or for killing another ones or for making couple of wars; they just hate him for loosing those wars - he would have been an hero, if had won those wars or if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of albanians, no matter that that that was als evil. do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is seeing your point of view;try also to understnd the other's point of view! > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is my third > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of humor, > which I am not going to give up, even if you insist. > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is what it > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a bit > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime been > 'slavic"?- I do not think so. > So as you know the issue is complex. > About those, who perished and were tortured,- I bow > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and most of > all I bow my head for those who can make a distinction > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic hatred. > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you simply take > pleasure in talking? > > But you go for it, because nationalism has always > existed. Distinction is needed to make something good, > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich killed the > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed. Or > that was alright. > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a nice > day. > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > for whom did you work in your first and second life? > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE > > against > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" regime) > > > I thought against this regime more than 15 years > > ago > > > Fighting is difficult > > > Because people do not stand up together > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the killers > > and > > > rapers get their spoon? > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this life. > > > Write. > > > --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your > > exagerration > > > > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 > > villages > > > > burnt > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure you > > are > > > > > talking about Kosovo? > > > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but next time > > > > think before you write, because it is not the > > author > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it is you. I > > am > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is > > talking > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of Former > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape camps"? > > > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian local > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they did > > in > > > > Bosnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > > > > because then it would not have been easy to > > burn > > > > those > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - > > bombed by > > > > > NATO) > > > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of > > villages > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to burn > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do you > > have > > > > any > > > > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery is > > > > ruling > > > > > around- neighbouring countries are striving > > for a > > > > > normal life as well- what kind of independence > > do > > > > you > > > > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one whereas > > > > whenever a > > > > > problem with electricity or water in the > > region- > > > > > Serbia has to fix it? > > > > > > > > No thank you very much, over last ten years we > > all > > > > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can > > provide. > > > > But if you are so found of them, you can call on > > > > them any time you have a problem, they'll fix it > > for > > > > you I am sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > > > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender the > > local > > > > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a souvenier? > > > > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > > > > government and i > > > > > might be able to help you. > > > > > > > > Having seen the way last US election went, I > > would > > > > be very surprised if you did not work for US > > > > government. > > > > > > > > >One more question- if the > > > > > communist regime is Slavic, was it a Slavic > > one in > > > > > Albania too- was not it Albanian Communist > > regime? > > > > > How old are you- are over 15? > > > > > > > > Perhaps it should have been "Two more > > questions-" > > > > > > > > Have a life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Edmond Pruthi wrote: > > > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion > > Forum > > > > --- > > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aacl.com --- Visit this website > > with > > > > > > webcast of mister Joseph DioGuardi... > > > > > > > > > > > > Make a link of this website on your webpages > > > > please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Welcome to the web site of the Albanian > > American > > > > > > Civic League. The Civic was founded by > > former > > > > > > Congressman Joseph DioGuardi and a board of > > > > Albanian > > > > > > Americans in 1989 and is the the only > > registered > > > > > > lobby in Washington, DC, representing the > > > > concerns > > > > > > and interests of the Albanian people. The > > > > purpose of > > > > > > the Civic League is to further the human > > rights > > > > and > > > > > > the national cause of the divided nation of > > more > > > > > > than seven million Albanians living side by > > side > > > > in > > > > > > the Balkans in Albania, Kosova, western > > > > Macedonia, > > > > > > southeastern Montenegro, Presheve, Medvegje, > > > > > > Bujanovc (southern Serbia), and Chameria > > > > (northern > > > > > > Greece). By bringing the political > > perspectives > > > > of > > > > > > 400.000 Albanian Americans to the US > > Government, > > > > the > > > > > > civic League works to end the repression and > > > > > > oppression of Albanians living under hostile > > > > Slavic > > > > > > Communist regimes in the Balkans and to > > preserve > > > > the > > > > > > culture, identity and human rights of > > Albanians > > > > > > throughout the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Help Kosova Defend Itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 300.000+ DEAD CIVILIANS. > > > > > > 3 MILLION+ REFUGEES. > > > > > > 1000+ VILLAGES AND TOWNS BURNED. > > > > > > RAPE CAMPS, CHEMICAL WEAPONS USE. > > > > > > ORGANIZED MASSACRE AND TORTURE. > > > > > > NATO AND EUROPE DESTAILIZED > > > > > > > > > > > > Brought to you by Slobodan Milosevic, since > > > > 1987*. > > > > > > > > > > > > *the year he rose in power by brutally > > stripping > > > > > > away the autonomous status and rights of the > > > > > > Albanian majority that has lived in KOSOVA > > for > > > > > > thousands of years.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NATO has finally answered the Butcher of > > > > Belgrade in > > > > > > the only language he knows: force. But > > Serbian > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From avelinahr at yahoo.com Tue Feb 20 13:42:01 2001 From: avelinahr at yahoo.com (A. Springhetti) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:42:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League In-Reply-To: <5269.982692161@www10.gmx.net> Message-ID: <20010220184100.8185.qmail@web1805.mail.yahoo.com> So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian slavs? --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > the roots of communism are, as every body knows, in > russia (the self > proclameted slavic mother of all slavic countrys); > so one can freely assume that the > comunism in albania was connected as well with an > slavic issue - the > "donaters" of communism in albania were also slaves: > miladin popovic and ? (i don't > have the second name in my mind any more; may be > some body can write it!). > > nobody is making a distinction of milosveics evil - > of course he is also > evil for killing serbs; > but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate him > for killing themselves > or for killing another ones or for making couple of > wars; they just hate him > for loosing those wars - he would have been an hero, > if had won those wars or > if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of > albanians, no matter that that > that was als evil. > > do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is seeing > your point of view;try > also to understnd the other's point of view! > > > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is my > third > > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of humor, > > which I am not going to give up, even if you > insist. > > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is what > it > > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a bit > > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime been > > 'slavic"?- I do not think so. > > So as you know the issue is complex. > > About those, who perished and were tortured,- I > bow > > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and most > of > > all I bow my head for those who can make a > distinction > > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic > hatred. > > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you simply > take > > pleasure in talking? > > > > But you go for it, because nationalism has always > > existed. Distinction is needed to make something > good, > > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich killed > the > > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed. Or > > that was alright. > > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a > nice > > day. > > > > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum > --- > > > Archives: > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > for whom did you work in your first and second > life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification > > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- > > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE > > > against > > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" > regime) > > > > I thought against this regime more than 15 > years > > > ago > > > > Fighting is difficult > > > > Because people do not stand up together > > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED > > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the > killers > > > and > > > > rapers get their spoon? > > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this > life. > > > > Write. > > > > --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your > > > exagerration > > > > > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 > > > villages > > > > > burnt > > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure > you > > > are > > > > > > talking about Kosovo? > > > > > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but next > time > > > > > think before you write, because it is not > the > > > author > > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it is > you. I > > > am > > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is > > > talking > > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of > Former > > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > > > > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape > camps"? > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian > local > > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they > did > > > in > > > > > Bosnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > > > > > because then it would not have been easy > to > > > burn > > > > > those > > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - > > > bombed by > > > > > > NATO) > > > > > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of > > > villages > > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to > burn > > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do > you > > > have > > > > > any > > > > > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery > is > > > > > ruling > > > > > > around- neighbouring countries are > striving > > > for a > > > > > > normal life as well- what kind of > independence > > > do > > > > > you > > > > > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one > whereas > > > > > whenever a > > > > > > problem with electricity or water in the > > > region- > > > > > > Serbia has to fix it? > > > > > > > > > > No thank you very much, over last ten years > we > > > all > > > > > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can > > > provide. > > > > > But if you are so found of them, you can > call on > > > > > them any time you have a problem, they'll > fix it > > > for > > > > > you I am sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > > > > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender > the > > > local > > > > > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a > souvenier? > > > > > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > > > > > government and i > > > > > > might be able to help you. > > > > > > > > > > Having seen the way last US election went, I > > > would > > > > > be very surprised if you did not work for US > > > > > government. > > > > > > > > > > >One more question- if the > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ From mentor at alb-net.com Tue Feb 20 13:46:53 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Tue Feb 20 13:46:53 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: Are we awake? Let's open our eyes before the world media starts calling us terrorists! In-Reply-To: <3A92106C.6D41@mailbag.com> Message-ID: > Mentor, > You have spoken well on this matter! One thing I have noticed that has > distressed me greatly is that at least where I live, there seems to be a > complacency/lethargy in the Albanian community as regards Kosova now. > It is as if everyone assumes "oh well, after the three year waiting > period is over, *of course* the UN will allow Kosova to officially > become an independent state!" There is nothing more dangerous for the > Albanian community, it's friends, and supporters to assume. And there > is nothing more dangerous than to become complacent just because the > "clear and present danger" *seems* to have passed. We *all* must be on > our guard. This is especially true with the second anniversary of the > NATO bombings coming up. No doubt with the situation as it is in > Preshev?, there will be many members of the Serb-american community and > their supporters who will hold events, seminars, etc. designed to gain > them sympathy and make Albanians to look like "the bad guys". Just to add few things.... Shaping the public opinion is a major ongoing effort by the various Serb lobbies in the US. It is a very plausible and possible that US wants to only contain the situation in Presheva valley given the fact that the west has started friendly relationship with Serbia's "democratic government". To this extend, besides for some limited analysis by special groups and think tanks stating that independence for Kosova is the only rightful solution to stabilize the region in the long run, western governments and other world organizations (EU, UN, OSCE, etc...) keep telling us that independence for Kosova is not an option! The pro-Serb lobbyists, are using every incident by Albanians in Kosova (even those incidents that are pure criminal and have nothing to do with ethnic discrimination) to paint a black picture if Kosova is let free as independent region. Unfortunately, our Albanian leaders in Kosova seems to be helping the unfortunately situation by their inability to agree on how to govern Kosova. later, Mentor From zabeli at gmx.de Wed Feb 21 07:31:03 2001 From: zabeli at gmx.de (zabeli at gmx.de) Date: Wed Feb 21 07:31:03 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Albanian American Civic League References: <20010220184100.8185.qmail@web1805.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12435.982758605@www11.gmx.net> > So, you think Marx and Engels were Russian slavs? no, i don't! the the idea of marx's engels' communism has never been realised; that means that the art of the communism that existed in the world was a pure slavic one. > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > > Archives: > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > the roots of communism are, as every body knows, in > > russia (the self > > proclameted slavic mother of all slavic countrys); > > so one can freely assume that the > > comunism in albania was connected as well with an > > slavic issue - the > > "donaters" of communism in albania were also slaves: > > miladin popovic and ? (i don't > > have the second name in my mind any more; may be > > some body can write it!). > > > > nobody is making a distinction of milosveics evil - > > of course he is also > > evil for killing serbs; > > but, unfortunately, serbs themselves do not hate him > > for killing themselves > > or for killing another ones or for making couple of > > wars; they just hate him > > for loosing those wars - he would have been an hero, > > if had won those wars or > > if succeed in his action of get kosova rid of > > albanians, no matter that that > > that was als evil. > > > > do not loose yourself of thinking, no body is seeing > > your point of view;try > > also to understnd the other's point of view! > > > > > > I was saved from dying twice, so i said it is my > > third > > > life. It was a joke- I still have sense of humor, > > > which I am not going to give up, even if you > > insist. > > > Calling communism(actually socialism- that is what > > it > > > was authentically called) "slavic regime" is a bit > > > innacurate. In Albania itself- has the regime been > > > 'slavic"?- I do not think so. > > > So as you know the issue is complex. > > > About those, who perished and were tortured,- I > > bow > > > my head- not only for albanians, for all- and most > > of > > > all I bow my head for those who can make a > > distinction > > > whom to fight, rather than to create ethnic > > hatred. > > > Were you tortured? Were you killed? Or you simply > > take > > > pleasure in talking? > > > > > > But you go for it, because nationalism has always > > > existed. Distinction is needed to make something > > good, > > > unfortunately it is easy to say Milosevich killed > > the > > > albanians. How about the serbs that he killed. Or > > > that was alright. > > > I am sure you still donot see my point. Have a > > nice > > > day. > > > > > > > > > --- zabeli at gmx.de wrote: > > > > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum > > --- > > > > Archives: > > > > www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > > > > > > > for whom did you work in your first and second > > life? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the clarification > > > > > But you are still speaking about KOSOVO only- > > > > > Ehagerration is useless- inspiring VIOLENCE > > > > against > > > > > Serbs in particular IS useless(")slavic" > > regime) > > > > > I thought against this regime more than 15 > > years > > > > ago > > > > > Fighting is difficult > > > > > Because people do not stand up together > > > > > I am for BALKANS UNITED > > > > > I ask you - WILL YOU JOIN- provided the > > killers > > > > and > > > > > rapers get their spoon? > > > > > I have a life. It is my third one- in this > > life. > > > > > Write. > > > > > --- Yahoo wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me but what purpose does your > > > > exagerration > > > > > > > serve for- if there were more than 1000 > > > > villages > > > > > > burnt > > > > > > > or more than 300,000- killed- are you sure > > you > > > > are > > > > > > > talking about Kosovo? > > > > > > > > > > > > On this occassion you are excused, but next > > time > > > > > > think before you write, because it is not > > the > > > > author > > > > > > of the first mail that is confused, it is > > you. I > > > > am > > > > > > sure it is not talking about Kosova, it is > > > > talking > > > > > > about Milosevic legacy, destruction of > > Former > > > > > > Yugoslavia, and among it Kosova as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > >Is i t the same Kosovo, where > > > > > > > local guerrilas have their own "rape > > camps"? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it is the same Kosova, where serbian > > local > > > > > > guerrilas had their "rape camps", as they > > did > > > > in > > > > > > Bosnia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There have never been 1000 villages in > > > > > > Kosovo(unfortunately- > > > > > > > because then it would not have been easy > > to > > > > burn > > > > > > those > > > > > > > that WERE burnt- and some-lets face it - > > > > bombed by > > > > > > > NATO) > > > > > > > > > > > > What areyou trying to say here? Number of > > > > villages > > > > > > in Kosova is determined by the easyness to > > burn > > > > > > them! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you inspiring even more violence? Do > > you > > > > have > > > > > > any > > > > > > > idea that not only in Kosovo Madam Misery > > is > > > > > > ruling > > > > > > > around- neighbouring countries are > > striving > > > > for a > > > > > > > normal life as well- what kind of > > independence > > > > do > > > > > > you > > > > > > > want for Kosovo- is it the same one > > whereas > > > > > > whenever a > > > > > > > problem with electricity or water in the > > > > region- > > > > > > > Serbia has to fix it? > > > > > > > > > > > > No thank you very much, over last ten years > > we > > > > all > > > > > > have seen the kind of fixes that Serbia can > > > > provide. > > > > > > But if you are so found of them, you can > > call on > > > > > > them any time you have a problem, they'll > > fix it > > > > for > > > > > > you I am sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Or is it idependence as a > > > > > > > responsible one Are you gonna surrender > > the > > > > local > > > > > > > mafia or are you gonne keep it as a > > souvenier? > > > > > > > Please tell me, because I work for the US > > > > > > government and i > > > > > > > might be able to help you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Having seen the way last US election went, I > > > > would > > > > > > be very surprised if you did not work for US > > > > > > government. > > > > > > > > > > > > >One more question- if the > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 > a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e > -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net From juniku at hotmail.com Thu Feb 22 22:48:02 2001 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Thu Feb 22 22:48:02 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] College Admissions Workshop #1 Message-ID: >>From: Aridori at aol.com >>To: juniku at hotmail.com >>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 22:39:41 EST >> >>ATLANTIC ASSOCIATION O R G A N I Z E S >> >>"COLLEGE ADMISSIONS WORKSHOP #1" >> >> >>ATLANTIC ASSOCIATION SCHOLARSHIPS >>THE ATLANTIC ASSOCIATION SEEKING TO OFFER SCHOLARSHIPS FOR QUALIFYING >>STUDENTS. 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E-MAIL: Shoqata_Atlantiku at hotmail.com or leave message at >>office telephone # (718)863-4080 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com From Emine.BECA at AIG.com Fri Feb 23 16:05:01 2001 From: Emine.BECA at AIG.com (BECA, Emine) Date: Fri Feb 23 16:05:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] RE: [Prishtina-l] Are we awake? Let's open our eyes before the wo rld media starts calling us terrorists! Message-ID: <3B248F2618BDD311B811009027DE9069BB1805@SAILBRXEXC_01> Medias: "Le monde diplomatique" 15/02/2001: "Les S?paratistes albanais cause probable d'actions violentes en Serbie" (Albanian separatists probable origin of violent actions in Serbia). Euronews/BBC World: Always speak about Albanian Separatists. Under mentioned article was written by S Popovic with a name like that I doubt she is pro any Albanian cause. Medias do not stop at CNN or "the Washington post", we need to start educating ourselves before staring the "Jewish syndrome" everybody is against us... Regards Emine -----Original Message----- From: Mentor Cana [mailto:mentor at alb-net.com] Sent: 19 February 2001 23:23 To: alb-club at alb-net.com; Albanian Discussion List; nyc-l at alb-net.com; prishtina-e at alb-net.com; prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com Subject: [Prishtina-l] Are we awake? Let's open our eyes before the world media starts calling us terrorists! Dear friends, The article below talks about the fighting in Souther Serbia. From an Albanian perspective the fight is against an oppressor (Serbia) of many decades. However, as you see in the article below the Serbs refer to Albanian freedom fighters as terrorist. The term terrorist more and more is being used by the western media (albeit in quotes). The very first use of the word "terrorism" is used by washingtonpost.com as if they agree with that - maybe they do maybe they don't. If this trend of labeling continues without protest the media will see no stop in referring to Albanians as terrorist. Hope I'm wrong in my assessment. However, given the fact that the current Serbian government is treated as democratic one by the west, what a paradox!, the west may give them the "green" light to fight the "terrorism". We need to start talking..... action is needed in educating the media about the truth... later, Mentor --- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/20010219/aponline024703_000.ht m Yugoslavia Urges Action After Blast By Suzana Popovic Associated Press Writer Monday, Feb. 19, 2001; 2:47 a.m. EST PRISTINA, Yugoslavia -- Yugoslavia's leaders promised a crackdown on terrorism along the Kosovo border and demanded action from NATO peacekeepers following two explosions that left at least 10 Serbs dead. Serb authorities blamed ethnic Albanian militants for the mine that killed three police officers Sunday and a bus bombing within Kosovo that killed at least seven civilians Friday. The rebels denied responsibility and said one of their commanders was killed by Serb police later Sunday in Lucane, just outside a buffer zone separating Kosovo province from the rest of Serbia, the larger of the two republics that make up Yugoslavia. Top Yugoslav and Serbian leaders met late Sunday to discuss the mounting violence, and President Vojislav Kostunica's office released a statement pledging a "series of measures against terrorism" in the area. Yugoslavia also urged NATO-led peacekeepers to stop the flow of arms and guerrillas in the buffer zone, which rebels have used to stage attacks on Serbian police and Yugoslav army troops. The militants want to join the zone with Kosovo as part of a push for independence for the Serbian province, which has been run by the United Nations and NATO-led peacekeepers since June 1999, when Yugoslavia halted its crackdown on the Albanian majority after a NATO bombing campaign. Friday's bombing of a bus carrying Serbs to visit the graves of relatives in Kosovo killed at least seven people and wounded 43, the deadliest attack in the province since 13 Serb farmers were machine-gunned to death while tilling their fields in July 1999. "I think that the terrorists the other day were trying to send a message to several constituencies at once," Brig. Gen. Rob Fry, commander of the British peacekeepers, said Sunday. The three policemen died Sunday when their van was demolished by what were believed to be anti-tank mines on a road near Lucane, a southern Serbian village just outside the three-mile-wide buffer zone. The zone was created to prevent what officials feared would be clashes between Serbian forces and the NATO-led peacekeepers patrolling Kosovo under the 1999 peace deal for the province. Only lightly armed Serbian police are allowed to enter the zone, and ethnic Albanian militants have taken control of most of the strip in recent months. Yugoslav authorities say the peacekeepers have failed to fulfill a mandate to keep the ethnic Albanian militants and their weapons out of the buffer zone. Yugoslav Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic appealed Sunday to NATO Secretary-General George Robertson to ensure that the peacekeeping force immediately seal Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. The militants have attacked Serbian police inside the zone and sometimes launch attacks across the line into Serbia proper. The explosion Sunday took place about 200 yards outside the zone. Serbian police came under fire while trying to pull out the wreckage of the wrecked police vehicle, a government statement said. No one was injured, but Serbian officials reported a further exchange of gunfire between police and the rebels in the buffer zone later Sunday. A spokesman for the ethnic Albanian militants, Jonuz Musliu, said one rebel commander was killed by Serb police Sunday in Lucane and another commander and a soldier were wounded. Musliu, the political officer of the Liberation Army of Presevo, Medvedja and Bujanovac, denied the group was behind the policemen's deaths and condemned the bus bombing. Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Nebojsa Covic, who submitted a peace plan for the buffer zone to NATO earlier this week, said the government's patience was wearing thin. "It is not permissible that such attacks continue," Covic said. "We also demand from the international community specific decisions." Meanwhile, U.N. officials in Kosovo's capital, Pristina, said a German forensic team had begun identifying victims in the bus attack by examining bodies and body parts laid out in a large tent. There were fears that the death toll could rise. Hundreds of Serbs gathered Sunday in the Serb enclave of Gracanica, some six miles south of Pristina, to protest Friday's bombing. Tens of thousands of Serbs have fled their homes in Kosovo since the United Nations and NATO took over, fearing reprisals following former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's crackdown on the province's ethnic Albanians. ? Copyright 2001 The Associated Press From juniku at hotmail.com Sun Feb 25 23:26:01 2001 From: juniku at hotmail.com (Uk Lushi) Date: Sun Feb 25 23:26:01 2001 Subject: [Prishtina-E] Education Programs Of Atlantic Association Message-ID: PLEASE DISTRIBUTE*PLEASE DISTRIBUTE*PLEASE DISTRUBUTE!!! 1. 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People to meet with when you are there? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mohinani" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: [Prishtina-E] travel to kosova > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > > Hi i will be travelling to prishtina for the first time any advice and > suggestions for > a first business trip????thanks pasha > > _______________________________________________________ > Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e >