[Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US

[jeton ademaj]

hi everyone,

sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it 
makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by 
reactionary ignorance.

Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians... 
but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, Mira 
Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik 
klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other 
words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your 
arguments are.

...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for 
centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i 
were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must 
quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror 
and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. 
cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda...
Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, 
why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians  are 
endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and 
Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it 
*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like 
Albert and Chris are fuel for this process.

btw, i find that joining a panel discussion is not hard if u can properly 
credential yourself (even as a plain-old "community activist") and have (or 
aquire!) a reputation for *credible* argument....

here is an article indicating that Kosovar Leaders know they must address 
this issue, but first a notice from this weeks Village Voice about a show 
this Saturday benefitting Kosovar rape victims (if i get any more info on 
this i'll post it):

tung!

"One Voice: Music Without Borders"
A rare chance to go dancing and make a difference at the same time. Once 
again the Frying Pan is the site of another outstanding lineup of music with 
Rha Goddess, Rachid, Electronic Diva Jeannette Romeu/Galaxy Girl, Shakti 
Spirit Dance Ensemble, and DJ Sevenz spinning Goa trance, plus Rene Collins, 
Chavachant, and Big Dream. DJ Dots (Wanderlust) with breakbeat/techno, 
turntablist DJ Shamus (The Snowball Collective) DJ Tuffist and DJ Pinnacle 
(Konkrete Jungle) spin jungle wax. Eve Ensler and the cast of the Vagina 
Monologues are also scheduled to appear for the causeùraising funds for 
Kosovar rape victims. (Romano)

Sat 7/29
Frying Pan
Pier 63 Chelsea Piers, Manhattan
--

and the article......
Tuesday, July 25 6:33 AM SGT
Serbs, Albanian Kosovar leaders declare "Pact against Violence"
WASHINGTON, July 24 (AFP) -
Three days of talks between Kosovo Serbs and ethnic Albanians ended with 
both sides declaring a "Pact against Violence," the US State Department and 
the private US Institute of Peace said Monday.
The first intensive face-to-face discussions between ethnic Albanian and 
Serb Kosovars facilitated by the institute were aimed at getting the two 
sides working toward a multi-ethnic society in Kosovo, still torn by ethnic 
violence.
Participants who concluded the session Sunday agreed to respect the outcome 
of upcoming "free and fair" municipal elections, cooperate in identifying 
perpetrators of crime and to urge their respective communities to surrender 
illegal arms, the institute said in a statement.
They also agreed to counter Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's 
influence in Kosovo and to dissolve any illegitimate governing and security 
structures, the statement said.
According to Serbian Orthodox Bishop Artmije Radosavljevic, a joint leader 
of the Serb delegation, the pact is the first positive document reached in 
talks between Serbs and Albanians in 100 years, the statement said.
The round-table talks -- initiated by the US State Department and organized 
by the Institute of Peace -- began early Friday and ended at 11:00 p.m. 
Sunday (0300 GMT Monday), a spokeswoman for the institute said.
Delegates included General Agim Ceku, ex-Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) head 
who is now leading its civilian successor the Kosovo Protection Corps, as 
well as leaders of the two main ethnic Albanian parties, Hashim Thaci and 
Ibrahim Rugova.
The Serb delegation is led by Rada Trajkovic as well as Bishop Radosavljevic 
of the Serbian National Council (SNV). Some 40 Kosovo Serbs and ethnic 
Albanians participated.
The "Airlie Declaration," named after the Airlie House, Warrenton, Virginia 
location where the talks were held, will be available from the US State 
Department at 10:00 a.m. (1400 GMT) Tuesday.
It will fully outline commitments made by both sides and is expected to 
contain details of the role both Serbs and ethnic Albanians want the 
international community to play in Kosovo.
"Although agreements were difficult and hard-won, the spirit in which they 
approached each other was nothing short of remarkable," Institute of Peace 
executive vice president Harriet Hentges said.
She told AFP the talks had allowed for an "open, difficult but constructive 
exchange about some of the pain they felt, some of the anger."
"Recriminations were there but also a very keen listening about what the 
other was saying," added Hentges, who was vice chair of the meeting.
"There was genuine appreciation of the suffering that each community has 
experienced and that is a very important beginning, a very important first 
step.
"When people come out of a warring conflict situation such as these people 
you have to be realistic what your goals are," she said.
"We didn't have preset ideas" for how the talks would go, Hentges added. "We 
wanted the ideas to come from them. We wanted an open dialogue, some 
commitment to concrete steps. We got both of those."



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>Chris mate, you are spot on. You've crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is. 
>We are taking this fragile freedom for granted. We should be doing more 
>because it really ain't over until it is absolutely, unquestionably, 
>no_bloody_going_back, once_'n'_for_all over.
>
>It is most probably true that the Serbs are plotting plans and drawing 
>strategies about how to conquer Kosova once more, in ten, twenty or even 
>fifty years time. If we don't have our plans to deter them, if we don't 
>work in the opposite direction so not to even let them have the slightest 
>chance to claim their claims then we have failed.
>
>They are a funny sort, them Serbs. They are so bloody stubborn and never 
>give up. We need to be even more stubborn. Stubborn to the highest degree 
>and never ever give up what we have - our beloved Kosova.
>
>So I say to you all brothers and sisters, do not fall for (as Chris says) 
>poor little serby-werbie stories and lies. Do NOT feel sorry for "their 
>sufferings" (because be damn sure that they ain't feeling sorry for yours, 
>nor for mine, nor for the sufferings of any Albanian alive), do NOT agree 
>with anything they say, do NOT be prepared to accept any apologies from 
>them (for what they have done), do NOT and do NOT and just do NOT.
>
>This one is just on the side. The other day I read an appalling piece of 
>information on QIK's website. Mr Gazmend Pula whom I used to respect 
>awfully much and who acts as head of Helsinki's committee for Human Rights 
>in Kosova said that position of the Kosovan Serbs is very bad. He even went 
>to say that their basic human rights have been drastically endangered. They 
>might have been. They most probably bloody are to a certain extent but, we 
>Albanians are not bloody supposed to say this and more so we do NOT need 
>these sorts of comments from leading Kosovan figures. They are very 
>damaging and shall cause us only problems and grief and then more problems 
>and more grief so we might end up where we were 10 years ago.
>
>I hope I am not being pushy and unclear in any way, and I do sincerely hope 
>that you have taken the message in. If you haven't then I've wasted my 
>time.
>
>With best regards,
>Albert
>
>
>
>
>>From: Christopher Fisher <cfisher at MAILBAG.COM>
>>Reply-To: cfisher at mailbag.com
>>To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US
>>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0500
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>>Tung të gjithëve!
>>
>>I think Thomas has it right on the money, but sadly it seems that at
>>least some folks in the Albanian community (at least here in the US), by
>>my experience just "aren't getting it".  The Mititch incident should
>>serve as a wake-up call not only to the Albanian community and its
>>supporters, but even to those poor souls who have been deluded into
>>beliving the "poor little Serby-Werbies" image the Serb nationalists
>>have tried to cultivate so hard the last dozen or so years.
>>
>>Where I live, in Madison WI, there was a "panel discussion" held on the
>>aniversary of the start of the NATO bombings.  Nick Kostich (who I would
>>call a "sneazel", combining the worst elements of snake and weazel) was
>>one of the participants, as well as a Serbian visiting prof. at the UW,
>>and a very pro-Serbian radio commentator at a local "listener-sponsored"
>>station known for its extreme left-wing views.  The only half-way
>>objective member of the panel was a local cartographer.  There were no
>>Albanians on the panel, nor was any attempt made to contact any members
>>of the community until the last moment.  I do not blame all of the
>>organizers-the non-Serb ones seemed to be genuine in their desire to
>>find an Albanian representative, but honestly did not seem to know where
>>to look (and I am sure the Serbian-American woman who helped them to
>>organize it, who is also a member of the Serbian Unity Congress did not
>>help much in that regard either), due to the fact that our local
>>Albanian community has quite a low profile, unfortunatly.
>>
>>The event came off as just what I thought it would: A love feast/pity
>>party for the Serbs, and with plenty of half-whispered "National
>>Enquirer" type sensationalism on the part of the "panelists" as to the
>>mysterious plots and plans for the Albanians to bring about a state of
>>"greater Albania", which of course it was aluded would be a
>>fundamentalist Islamic state with aims of making Europe safe for Osama
>>Bin Laden.
>>
>>But what was worst was the fact that there were *no* members of the
>>Albanian community or supporters there other than myself!  Though some
>>could not attend because of the fact that it was a Friday evening,
>>historically the busiest in the Restaurant business, others did not
>>bother because, in the words of one chap "The Serbs have lost Kosova for
>>good-who cares what they try to do now?"
>>
>>Folks, in the words of Yogi Berra: "It ain't over 'till it's over"!  We
>>cannot afford this kind of apathy.  Though we hope Kosova will be truly
>>independent, and it looks like the structures are being set into place
>>for its de facto independence in 2 more years, we can afford to take
>>nothing for granted.  And the fact is that if we are apathetic over the
>>Mititch incident, what then *will* it take for us to become suitably
>>outraged, and realize that though the battle has been won, we still need
>>to win the war?
>>
>>What can we do, then, to make sure that people are aware that this is
>>how the Serbs have behaved, are behaving, and will behave for the
>>forseeable future?  Well, how about informational pickets (like perhaps
>>at Attorney Kostich's home) and encouraging boycotts of Serb-run
>>businesses whose owners have expressed anti-Albanian/Bosnian/Croat/etc.
>>sentiments, or support for the current nationalist bent of the
>>Serbo-slavian government?  In Milwaukee, Serb Hall has a Friday night
>>fish fry so popular that they had to put a drive up window to handle all
>>the people.  Wonder what would happen that fish fry if there were
>>lawful, peaceful pickets every Friday out there?  These protestations
>>should be *permanent* until such time as the Serbian-American community
>>retracts its support for Serb nationalism (esp. scum like Voislav
>>Sheslj), and appologises for it's position.  Cold day in hell before
>>that happens, you say?  Perhaps.  But in that case, they may find it's a
>>"hell" of a long time before they can go back to "business as usual".
>>
>>Të fala,
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Thomas G. Coonan wrote:
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>> > Mititch is following the example of Milosevic's thugs who stage acts of
>> > violence in Kosova (against Serb civilians and property) so the
>> > Albanians can be blamed by a gullible international community!  They 
>>use
>> > this also to justify their own violent rampages (ie. Mitrovica) as a
>> > response for being the innocent victims!  Liars, liars, liars!
>> >
>> > -TC
>> >
>> > MAN CHARGED IN BREAK-IN AT GUARD BASE
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > Mititch is suspected of breaking into the 128th, scrawling graffiti on
>> > two buildings and writing "Free Kosova" on a satellite dish at the Air
>> > National Guard compound.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > '"Kosova" is the way Albanians refer to the region; Serbs refer to it 
>>as
>> > "Kosovo." Mititch identified himself to Milwaukee police in 1998 as
>> > Serbian.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > Asked why Mititch would spell "Kosovo" in the Albanian manner, Veleusic
>> > shrugged and said, "Everyone is trying to trick somebody."
>> >
>> > Christopher Fisher wrote:
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>> > > To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>> > > From: cfisher at mailbag.com (Christopher Fisher)
>> > > Subject: Serb Terror hits US
>> > >
>> > > This story was sent from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online: 
>>http://www.jsonline.com
>> > > It was sent by Christopher Fisher (cfisher at mailbag.com) on Friday, 
>>July 21, 2000 at 01:33:07
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