From mehollim at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  1 12:38:31 2000
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Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 09:38:31 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-E] FW: RFE/RL BALKAN REPORT, Vol. 4, No. 49, 30 June 2000
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>RFE/RL BALKAN REPORT
>Vol. 4, No. 49, 30 June 2000
>
>A Twice-Weekly Review of Politics, Media and Radio Free
>Europe/Radio Liberty Broadcasts in the western Balkans.
>
>______________________________________
>HEADLINES
>	* THE APOLOGY
>	* MULTIETHNIC LIVING IN KOSOVA
>______________________________________
>
>THE APOLOGY. An apology has sent shock-waves around much of
>the former Yugoslavia. It may not have solved all the
>problems between Montenegro and Croatia, but it certainly has
>generated much discussion.
>	Croatian President Stipe Mesic and his Montenegrin
>counterpart Milo Djukanovic discussed "practical issues"
>including economic cooperation and cross-border traffic in
>Cavtat near Dubrovnik on 24 June. But Djukanovic also said:
>"I'd like to express in my name and behalf of Montenegro...my
>sincerest apologies to all citizens of Croatia and especially
>of Dubrovnik...for all the pain and suffering and material
>losses inflicted by Montenegrins" during the Belgrade-led
>campaign against Croatia in 1991 and 1992.
>	He added that "Montenegro has paid a dear price [for its
>participation in the conflict.] We have paid in the lives of
>our people, the severance of traditional good ties between
>Croatia and Montenegro, and our banishment from the
>international community."
>	Djukanovic, in fact, was Montenegrin prime minister when
>Yugoslav forces shelled Dubrovnik and often tipsy Montenegrin
>reservists and other forces pillaged Cavtat, Dubrovnik
>airport's duty-free shop, and several other places in the
>area. "Vesti" published a 1992 photo of then-Montenegrin
>President Momir Bulatovic and Djukanovic together with their
>troops in the rain. One Serbian observer commented tongue-in-
>cheek that the Djukanovic in the picture "must have been the
>double" of the current Montenegrin leader.
>	His remarks in Cavtat were not Djukanovic's first
>expression of good intentions toward Croatia. In 1999, he
>thanked the Zagreb leadership for allowing him to fly in and
>out of Dubrovnik on his travels to promote Montenegro's case
>before the international community.
>	Returning to his latest remarks, most leading Croatian
>politicians reacted positively to Djukanovic's apology,
>"Jutarnji list" reported on 26 June. Most political leaders
>added, however, that Djukanovic's remarks were prompted by
>the pragmatic need to improve relations with Zagreb and that
>the question of Montenegrin responsibility for the 1991
>conflict remains open.
>	Deputy Prime Minister Goran Granic said that Podgorica
>will now have to follow up on Djukanovic's words with
>concrete deeds. Opposition leader Vladimir Seks noted that
>Djukanovic did not offer to pay for war damages or to assist
>the Hague tribunal in investigating and indicting
>Montenegrins who committed atrocities during the conflict.
>(Djukanovic subsequently told the weekly "Nacional" that
>Montenegro will pay damages "if necessary" but did not
>elaborate.)
>	But there was little or no sympathy for Djukanovic in
>Serbia, even from most of the opposition. So far, neither
>Milosevic nor his top aides have made any public statements
>on Djukanovic's remarks, but Belgrade's state-run Tanjug news
>agency quickly and sharply criticized the Montenegrin leader.
>Tanjug charged that Djukanovic "practically praised Mesic for
>his secessionist policies...which led to the tragic events in
>former Yugoslavia." The news agency added that Mesic had
>demanded as precondition for the meeting that the Montenegrin
>apologize "for something that never existed--the alleged
>aggression against Croatia." (Mesic was slated to be the
>rotating chairman of the former Yugoslav collective
>presidency in 1991, but then-Serbian President Slobodan
>Milosevic and his allies--including Montenegro--prevented
>Mesic from taking office.)
>	The state-run Belgrade daily "Politika" on 26 June also
>criticized Djukanovic. The daily wrote that he has given in
>to "blackmail" and "soiled the reputation of the proud
>Montenegrins by dropping to his knees before...Mesic...[and
>the ] Ustashe." (Mesic is an outspoken anti-fascist.)
>	Velizar Nikcevic, who heads the pro-Milosevic Serbian
>People's Party in Montenegro, charged that Djukanovic's
>"gesture is a continuation of the policy of servility,
>treachery, hate, and provoking conflicts among his own
>people.... The Montenegrin regime is entering the last phase
>of treason," Reuters reported.
>	But that was not all--even the opposition was generally
>critical of the Montenegrin leader. The Democratic Party's
>Vojislav Kostunica said in Belgrade on 24 June that
>Djukanovic "during the war not only implemented but literally
>created the policy of Montenegro and Yugoslavia, but he is
>now representing himself differently.... He came to power by
>manipulating the deepest national and patriotic sentiments.
>Now he is denying all that and is starting a new ruse."
>  	In a slightly more sympathetic vein, Alliance for Change
>leader Vladan Batic said that Djukanovic "must have had his
>reasons [for apologizing]...probably related to interests of
>Montenegro." Batic added that it is Djukanovic's right as
>president to make such an apology if he so chooses.
>	But Predrag Simic, who is foreign policy spokesman for
>Vuk Draskovic's Serbian Renewal Movement, hailed the apology
>as "not a move of a politician, but of a statesman who wants
>the past to become part of history, to take a new direction."
>Simic added that the apology "opens the question of the cause
>and the purpose of the war" for the citizens of Serbia and
>Montenegro. These remarks are striking, not only because they
>differ from most of the public statements by Serbian
>political figures but also because they differ greatly from
>some of Simic's earlier remarks about Djukanovic.
>	It seems that public apologies from important figures
>have become something of a phenomenon--albeit a sometimes
>controversial one--in recent times. Perhaps the most
>successful in terms of his credibility among his intended
>audience has been Pope John Paul II--and this on more than
>one occasion.
>	Elsewhere, some Western politicians have provoked mixed
>reactions by apologizing for things that happened long before
>they were born, and in some cases in places where their own
>ancestors were not living at the time. Perhaps the least
>successful in apologizing have been Japanese leaders,
>because, as a recent commentary in the "Far Eastern Economic
>Review" pointed out, their intended audiences generally
>regard the apologies as incomplete and insincere.
>	In any event, it appears that many Croats are inclined
>at least to give Djukanovic the benefit of the doubt
>regarding his remarks and are willing to continue a dialogue.
>But his words alone will not be enough. It is difficult to
>see how he will be able to avoid some form of investigation
>into Montenegro's role in 1991-1992, with the possibility
>that some of the leaders and tipsy looters may face a day in
>court. That is clear from the announcement by Croatian
>Justice Minister Stjepan Ivanisevic on 27 June that his
>government wants the Hague-based tribunal to launch an
>investigation of the Dubrovnik campaign. (Patrick Moore)
>
>MULTIETHNIC LIVING IN KOSOVA (PART I). One year ago last
>week, the Yugoslav Army and Serbian police and paramilitaries
>evacuated Kosova, and NATO-led peacekeeping forces entered
>the province. Nearly 1 million forcibly-exiled Kosovar
>Albanians returned home to a devastated land, while the
>majority of Kosova's Serbian community fled the province out
>of fear of retribution. RFE/RL correspondent Jolyon Naegele
>visited the ethnically-mixed village of Binaq in southern
>Kosova to see how residents are faring one year later.
>	Binaq is a deceptively idyllic village nestled in the
>foothills of the Black Mountains of southeastern Kosova, an
>assortment of old Serbian farm houses, newer Albanian houses,
>a modern Roman Catholic church, and an older Serbian Orthodox
>church. The nearest mosque is a short walk down the road in
>the larger village of Kabash. The tall minarets of other
>mosques in hillside hamlets glisten further up the slopes.
>	At present, Binaq is home to some 850 Albanian
>Catholics, a few Muslim families, and about 150 Serbs--only
>about one-third of the number of Serbs in the village before
>the Belgrade regime capitulated to NATO one year ago. The
>rest of the Serbs have since fled to Serbia.
>	Although Catholics are a tiny minority in Kosova as a
>whole, they make up the majority of the Albanian population
>in Binaq, Kabash, and the district center, Viti. Most of
>these Catholics are known as "Karadak"--Turkish for Black
>Mountain--and although their forebears were forced by Ottoman
>Turkey to accept Islam, they secretly maintained their Roman
>Catholicism.
>	June 13 was Saint Anthony's Day, the patron saint of the
>local Roman Catholic church. Several hundred Catholic
>Albanians--some of the women dressed in Turkish-style
>pantaloons--were gathered in sweltering heat for an open-air
>mass.
>	As a chorus of villagers sings in Latin, KFOR
>reconnaissance helicopters clatter overhead. U.S. KFOR foot
>patrols amble through the village, chatting with children, as
>the congregation recites the Lord's Prayer in Albanian.
>	In mid-June, there were several shootings just over the
>hills on the Macedonian side of the border. But down in
>Binaq, the tensions are of a different sort. They are between
>Albanian and Serbian neighbors.
>	The village priest, Don Lush Gjergji, says coexistence
>is possible as long as it is based on three points:
>international protection for all ethnic groups,
>demilitarization and disarmament, and the local tradition of
>good multiethnic relations: "So now, this is not the time for
>war or fighting, but rather it is a time to struggle for
>values and virtues. The time has come to go forward by
>increasing [emphasis on] these values and to defeat evil."
>	Don Lush Gjergji adds that "there must either be freedom
>for all or freedom for none." He says the post-war period is
>difficult for everyone. "First of all we have to conserve
>what has been built over the centuries, so that nothing is
>destroyed. We have to condemn evil in the direction whence it
>came and we must seek and build for the common good, because
>life, truth, justice, peace, love, forgiveness are neither
>Serbian nor Albanian but universal [values]."
>	The Catholic priest says he cooperates well with the
>Orthodox priest and the Muslim imam. He says that after the
>Yugoslav Army (VJ) withdrew one year ago, he told his Serbian
>Orthodox colleague that if anyone were to threaten him, he
>would always have a place to stay in the Catholic priest's
>home. "Now, the security of Serbs is threatened. As long as
>even one citizen of Kosova is threatened, I personally feel
>threatened. Because, as a Catholic cleric, as a writer, as an
>intellectual, I am on the side of the little people, the
>persecuted, the devastated."
>	As Don Lush Gjergji puts it, "the international
>community did not come here to pit Albanians against Serbs,
>but for the good of everyone." He says he feels he represents
>everyone in the community, not just the Albanian Catholics,
>adding: "as long as there is no love between us we are all
>orphans, regardless of whether they killed us or we killed
>them, because every killing is self-destruction." (Part II
>will appear on 4 July 2000.) (Jolyon Naegele
>naegelej at rferl.org)
>
>
>QUOTATIONS OF THE WEEK.
>These are all taken from the Security Council debate of 23
>June. Thanks to RFE/RL's UN correspondent, Bob McMahon.
>
>"There's no room in this debate, Mr. President, for a
>representative of this regime, which continues its repressive
>tactics at home and its policies of nationalistic extremism
>abroad." -- U.S. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke
>
>"It is impossible to deny that the [Federal Republic of
>Yugoslavia] de facto remains a party to every track of the
>peace process in the Balkans." -- Ukrainian Ambassador
>Volodymyr Yelchenko (in English)
>
>"Gagging people's mouths is not the best way to discuss acute
>international problems." -- Russian Ambassador Sergei Lavrov
>
>"There is still far more of the rule of the thugs than the
>rule of the law. And although the local Kosovo Albanian
>leadership has condemned acts of violence, there is still a
>climate of tolerance of the terror that we must never
>accept." -- UN Special envoy Carl Bildt
>
>Serbia and Montenegro "are today on a slow but steady course
>towards a collision. This might not be imminent but the
>trends are very clearly there. I believe it is of key
>importance that we all give support to the elected
>authorities in Montenegro in their efforts to pave the way
>for the new deal they seek." -- Bildt again.
>
>(Compiled by Patrick Moore)
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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Jul  7 00:32:44 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:32:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Kosova postcard (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0007070032230.27015-100000@alb-net.com>

please reply directly, or just send this guy a postcard... 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 14:53:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: JBajusz at webtv.net
To: support at alb-net.com
Subject: Kosova postcard

Hello,
I am a postcard collector from Canada. I have a large collection of
postcards (7500) from all over the world but still none from Kosova. I
collect postcards with city views, famous buildings, historic places and
landscapes. I would like to ask you for a small favour to send me one
city view postcard from Pristhine to help me make my collection more
complete. Please help, it is very important for my collection. My
address
is;
Janos Bajusz
702-40 Vanier Drive
Guelph, Ontario
N1G-2X7
Canada
Hope to hear from you very soon.
Best wishes,
Janos



From etrit at alb-net.com  Sun Jul  9 12:11:40 2000
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Links on Kosova
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0007091210140.27015-100000@alb-net.com>

Check the following site which lists the most relevant sites on Kosova:

http://www.links2go.com/topic/Kosovo

Number 1 on the list is the KCC site... ;-)

Etrit.



From mehollim at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 11 12:37:36 2000
From: mehollim at hotmail.com (Mimoza Meholli)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:37:36 PDT
Subject: [Prishtina-E] RFE/RL BALKAN REPORT, Vol. 4, No. 51, 11 July 2000
Message-ID: <20000711163736.80504.qmail@hotmail.com>


>RFE/RL BALKAN REPORT
>Vol. 4, No. 51, 11 July 2000
>
>A Twice-Weekly Review of Politics, Media and Radio Free
>Europe/Radio Liberty Broadcasts in the western Balkans.
>
>_____________________________________________________________
>HEADLINES
>	* MILOSEVIC'S MONTENEGRIN GAMBIT
>	* SERBIAN MINISTER WARNS CROATIAN 'BANANA-REPUBLIC'
>	* ARE WAR CRIMINALS GETTING RICH IN THE HAGUE?
>	* KOLISEVSKI AND GLIGOROV
>	* ALBANIA'S NOTORIOUS ZANI GETS LIFE SENTENCE
>	* ALBANIAN GOVERNMENT RESHUFFLE IN RUN-UP TO ELECTIONS
>_____________________________________________________________
>
>
>MILOSEVIC'S MONTENEGRIN GAMBIT. The Yugoslav parliament has
>passed a series of constitutional amendments that will enable
>President Slobodan Milosevic to stay in office for another
>eight years and sharply reduce Montenegro's political role
>within the federation (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 7 July 2000).
>What Milosevic hopes to obtain by this direct challenge to
>Montenegro remains an open question.
>	In the early hours of 8 July, the Montenegrin
>legislature passed a resolution by 36 to 18 votes rejecting
>the federal parliament's recent changes to the Yugoslav
>constitution. The resolution repeatedly called the federal
>parliament's moves "illegal and illegitimate." The text added
>that the changes amount to "the destruction of the
>constitutional order" of the Yugoslav federation and
>constitute a "gross violation of the constitutional rights of
>the Republic of Montenegro."
>	The Montenegrin legislators promised unspecified
>"measures...[to] protect the interests of citizens of
>Montenegro and the undisturbed functioning of its legal
>system." The resolution also included an appeal to the "state
>bodies of the republic, especially of the Interior Ministry
>[to help] preserve peace," and called on Yugoslav army
>personnel "not to let themselves be misused against the
>citizens, institutions, and state bodies of the Republic of
>Montenegro." The legislators appealed to "the citizens of
>Montenegro, the citizens of and democratic opinion in Serbia,
>and the international community" to help find a peaceful
>resolution to the "problems in Montenegro's relations with
>the state bodies of Serbia and the federation."
>	Opening the session of the legislature on 7 July,
>Montenegrin President Milo Djukanovic called the federal
>parliament's moves a "brutal attempt" to end Montenegrin
>statehood, London's "The Independent" reported. Djukanovic
>later told Vienna's "Die Presse" that Montenegro faces a very
>real danger of a civil war because the Belgrade authorities
>continue to "brutally manipulate" Montenegrin supporters of
>Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic, RFE/RL's South Slavic
>Service noted. Svetozar Marovic, who is speaker of the
>Montenegrin parliament, said that the constitutional changes
>amount to a revision of the legal basis on which the Yugoslav
>federation was formed in 1992, Belgrade's "Danas" reported.
>	Also on 8 July, the legislature rejected a proposal for
>an immediate referendum on independence. Djukanovic told "Die
>Presse" that his government still wants to give Serbia time
>to consider Montenegro's 1999 proposal for the redefinition
>of relations between the two republics. He added that if
>Serbia does not agree by some unspecified future date, the
>Montenegrin authorities will hold a referendum on
>independence.
>	But this has long been his official line and reflects
>the pressure on him from the international community not to
>separate from Serbia. It remains to be seen how long he will
>be able to maintain this position in the face of deliberate
>intimidation by his enemies.
>	In Belgrade, pro-Milosevic media and several regime
>spokesmen taunted the authorities in Podgorica for not
>holding a referendum immediately, suggesting that Djukanovic
>does not want a referendum because he knows he will lose,
>Reuters reported on 9 July. Elsewhere, Serbian Information
>Minister Aleksandar Vucic threatened unspecified "measures to
>protect [Yugoslavia's] constitutional order" following the
>vote in the Montenegrin parliament, AP noted. Serbian Deputy
>Prime Minister Vojislav Seselj, who heads the Radical Party
>to which Vucic belongs, even called for the arrest of leading
>Montenegrin politicians, RFE/RL's South Slavic Service
>reported. (The Army General Staff already slammed the
>Montenegrin leadership in a statement on 4 July.)
>	The Serbia opposition, for its part, generally expressed
>outrage at the constitutional changes. Politicians as
>different as Vuk Draskovic and Vladan Batic called for a
>boycott of federal elections on the grounds that the
>opposition must not lend its name to a farce.
>	But some of the most interesting ramifications will be
>in Montenegro itself, namely: what will be the political fate
>of pro-Milosevic politicians? In the heated parliamentary
>debate, Zarko Rakcevic accused the deputies of the pro-
>Milosevic Socialist People's Party (SNP) of supporting a
>president "whose only place is in The Hague," "Vesti" noted.
>Other politicians called their pro-Belgrade opponents
>"traitors."
>	The next day, the SNP's Predrag Bulatovic appealed for a
>"dialogue" among Montenegrin leaders, RFE/RL's South Slavic
>Service reported. Meanwhile, the SNP sheepishly claimed in a
>statement that the constitutional changes will not affect
>Montenegro's status within the federation.
>	It is difficult to see how anyone could make this
>statement with any degree of sincerity, since the amendments
>will end 50-50 parity voting for the upper house and replace
>it with a one-man, one-vote system. (Serbia's population
>outnumbers Montenegro's by about 10-to-1.) As one observer
>put it, there may be a split between SNP politicians in
>Podgorica--who have to fight for their turf--and those in
>Belgrade--who just voted to reduce their proud republic to
>the status of an autonomous Serbian pokrajina, or province.
>If such a division comes to pass, then Milosevic will have
>even fewer friends and allies in Montenegro than he did
>before the amendments were passed.
>	This leads to the question of what Milosevic intended in
>the first place with his clear humiliation of Montenegro. One
>view has it that the latest developments follow the pattern
>of his behavior in the run-up to his wars in Slovenia,
>Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosova, namely: "Stay in the federation
>on my terms, or get out."
>	If this is the case, then Milosevic may be headed for
>his fifth conflict and fifth defeat. Whether the dispute
>between Belgrade and Podgorica will be settled by political
>rather than military means will depend heavily on the
>decisiveness, clarity, and resolution of the international
>community. As Croatian President Stipe Mesic put it this
>weekend, the threat of war in the Balkans "will diminish in
>proportion to the strength of the message that the
>international community sends to Serbia or to Milosevic."
>(Patrick Moore)
>
>
>SERBIAN MINISTER WARNS CROATIAN 'BANANA-REPUBLIC.' Serbian
>Information Minister Aleksandar Vucic warned the Croatian
>authorities not to assist Western efforts to broadcast to
>Serbia. He told a Belgrade press conference on 8 July that
>"the Western forces headed by the United States are preparing
>new media offensives on Serbia. They are using neighboring
>banana-republics, especially Croatia, as the most prominent
>exponent of their policies. The Serbian government is warning
>Croatia not to play with these things....Our response will be
>adequate if they dare to violate international regulations,"
>Reuters reported.
>	He added that "if it becomes necessary, we will be ready
>to [use] ultimate [unspecified] financial resources for
>defending our country from the media aggression that
>Americans are intending to carry out from Montenegro and
>other neighboring countries." He did not elaborate.
>	Vucic is known for his outspoken criticism of the
>opposition and of the private media. He is closely linked to
>the repressive 1998 media law. (Patrick Moore)
>
>
>ARE WAR CRIMINALS GETTING RICH IN THE HAGUE? The Hague-based
>tribunal is investigating persistent but unconfirmed press
>reports in the former Yugoslavia and abroad that attorneys
>for indicted war criminals pay their clients kick-backs. The
>lawyers are allegedly hired by some clients on the condition
>that they pay those clients some 20 to 40 percent of their
>attorney's fees. Such salaries range up to $110 per hour and
>are paid out of the tribunal's budget, the "Frankfurter
>Allgemeine Zeitung" reported on 5 July.
>	The wife of one indicted war criminal has reportedly
>bought a house in Belgrade with the money she obtained from
>kick-backs. Some indicted war criminals do not care about a
>prospective attorney's professional abilities or even whether
>they are cleared of the charges against them, London's "The
>Independent" reported on 7 July. "The only thing important to
>them is to get more money than they could have earned being
>free during their lifetime," the daily added, quoting Serbian
>lawyer Vladimir Bozovic at The Hague. Ante Nobilo, a Croatian
>lawyer and former diplomat, also said that he knows of such
>cases. (Patrick Moore)
>
>
>FORMER TITO-ERA LEADER DIES. Lazar Kolisevski died in Skopje
>on 6 July at the age of 88. He was a prominent functionary in
>the regime of Josip Broz Tito and briefly held the rotating
>chair of the state presidency following Tito's death in 1980.
>Kolisevski retired from public life shortly afterwards,
>RFE/RL's South Slavic Service reported. (Patrick Moore)
>
>
>GLIGOROV: TUDJMAN READY TO PARTITION BOSNIA IN 1991. Former
>Macedonian President Kiro Gligorov recently told RFE/RL's
>South Slavic Service that Croatian President Franjo Tudjman
>showed him a map in 1991, according to which Tudjman proposed
>to divide Bosnia between Serbia and Croatia, with a small
>Muslim rump state remaining. The two men had their
>conversation when Gligorov called on Tudjman to present the
>Gligorov-Izetbegovic plan to preserve a single Yugoslav
>state. (Patrick Moore)
>
>
>ALBANIA'S NOTORIOUS ZANI GETS LIFE SENTENCE. On 3 July, a
>court in the southern Albanian city of Vlora sentenced
>Myrteza Caushi, known as "Zani," to life imprisonment for
>multiple murders and for illegal possession of weapons,
>"Albanian Daily News" reported. Police arrested the 31-year-
>old gangster in early September 1999 after he and his gang
>murdered three people in the village of Mifol, apparently
>taking revenge for the previous killing of some members of
>their gang (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 7 September 1999).
>	After the sentence was pronounced, clashes broke out in
>the courtroom between relatives of Caushi and members of the
>special police forces, but no injuries were reported. In
>another incident, a member of a rival gang shot and wounded
>Arben Caushi, a cousin of Zani, shortly after the court
>handed down its verdict. The circumstances of the incident
>remain unclear.
>	During the anarchy that broke out in Vlora in 1997 after
>the collapse of pyramid investment schemes, Caushi controlled
>and terrorized the port-city with his gang. At the end of his
>first trial in 1998, however, the court sentenced him only
>for illegal possession of arms because it lacked evidence of
>other crimes (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 28 July 1998). He was
>released shortly thereafter. Many observers saw his release
>as indicative of the weakness of Albania's judicial
>institutions.
>	In related news, speaking in Athens on 5 July, a Greek
>government spokesman called on the Albanian authorities to
>take immediate action against criminal gangs. His appeal
>followed an incident on 3 July in which inhabitants of the
>southern Albanian village of Lazarat fired with machine guns
>for about five hours at the neighboring mainly ethnic Greek
>village of Dervican.
>	Villagers from Lazarat have repeatedly blocked the main
>road from Albania to Greece in recent years and robbed trucks
>and various travelers. They also successfully fought back
>special police forces trying to enter the town in numerous
>incidents. In May, police besieged Lazarat for three days but
>withdrew after a policeman was shot and wounded.
>	The villagers of Lazarat, which was a leper colony in
>Ottoman times, have a tradition of behaving as a law unto
>themselves (see "RFE/RL Newsline" 2 February 1999). Lazarat
>is a stronghold of the opposition Democratic Party. (Fabian
>Schmidt)
>
>
>ALBANIAN GOVERNMENT RESHUFFLE IN RUN-UP TO ELECTIONS.
>Albanian Prime Minister Ilir Meta sacked three ministers on 5
>July, "Albanian Daily News" reported. The new make-up of the
>government reflects the fears of the Socialists that voters
>may turn their back on them if they fail to deliver
>improvements in Albania's infrastructure and justice system
>before the local elections slated for October. President
>Rexhep Meidani will have to approve the changes before they
>can take effect.
>	This is the second government reshuffle since Meta
>became prime minister in November 1999 (see "RFE/RL
>Newsline," 1 November 1999). Ilir Gjoni, Meta's chief of
>staff, replaces Socialist Luan Hajdaraga as defense minister,
>and Arben Imami of the Democratic Alliance (AD) replaces the
>independent Ilir Panda as justice minister. The Socialist
>Ilir Zela, who was minister of state--a high ranking position
>in the prime minister's office--replaces Arben Demeti of the
>AD as minister for public works. Finally, Ndre Legisi,
>another senior Socialist, becomes minister of state.
>	Government spokesman Thoma Gellci said that Meta made
>the changes in order to "give a new impulse to the
>government's work." He did not elaborate. The next day Meta
>told "Zeri i Popullit" that he intends to improve the quality
>of government, most notably in the fields of justice and of
>construction and public works. The Albanian judiciary is
>notorious for its inefficiency. Similarly, many basic public
>services, such as the water supply and road systems, are
>plagued by serious faults.
>	Neritan Ceka, who is a leader of the AD, gave an
>interview to "Albanian Daily News" in which he said that he
>discussed the reshuffle with Meta and does not object to the
>changes. Ceka stressed that the AD "has received a portfolio
>much more important than the one [it] had before," namely
>that of justice instead of public works.
>	Ceka recalled that the AD's political priorities have
>been in the field of justice and institutional reform in the
>past, and that Imami played an important role in this respect
>during his stint as minister for institutional reform during
>the previous government of Pandeli Majko.
>	He regretted, however, that Meta did not give his party
>sufficient time to discuss the changes: "I am a little bit
>surprised by the way these changes were carried so quickly
>without giving us time to discuss them within the presidency
>and the party."
>	The independent daily "Shekulli" noted that "the
>dismissal of Panda can be justified by the present state of
>the judiciary, in which he could have played a stronger and
>more visible role." Concerning the sacking of Hajdaraga, the
>paper stressed: "In principle, replacing the minister of
>defense is not a casual move;...it is one of the most
>important posts in the government." Then the paper concluded:
>"As for the names of the two other Socialists, Ilir Zela and
>Ndre Legisi, there is not much to say about them. They are
>both young but do not inspire confidence, though they have
>often held party and government posts."
>	Another independent daily, "Gazeta Shqiptare," explained
>that "local elections are approaching [scheduled for
>October]. This is another reason for Albanian voters to think
>about the water shortages, the lack of electricity, the
>[state of their] roads, salaries, and pensions before they
>cast their vote. Meta seeks to improve the nation's
>infrastructure, which is why he replaced Arben Demeti. The
>unfinished reforms in the army delay Albania's integration
>into NATO, and [this along with] the poorly kept promises
>made to thousands of retired officers must have been the
>reason for the dismissal of Luan Hajdaraga."
>	Opposition Democratic Party (PD) leader Sali Berisha had
>another explanation, however. Speaking to "Rilindja
>Demokratike," he claimed that Meta's purpose is to find jobs
>for his corrupt friends. Berisha charged Meta's government
>with having "turned the prime minister's office into a school
>of theftS. By changing ministers he has gathered all the
>tenders (for awarding government contracts) in his hands."
>Berisha further reacted to the reshuffle by repeating earlier
>calls for the resignation of the government.
>	Observers note that Berisha will have difficulties
>proving his charges. But such harsh words are not unusual in
>the discourse between opposition and government in Albania's
>present-day political culture. (Fabian Schmidt)
>
>
>QUOTATIONS OF THE WEEK.
>
>"This is the final act in the tragic political destruction of
>Yugoslavia." - Miodrag Vukovic, chair of the Steering
>Committee of Djukanovic's Democratic Socialist Party. Quoted
>by "Vesti" on 7 July after the Yugoslav parliament approved
>the constitutional changes.
>
>"The Radical Party proposes that the new national anthem be
>'Onamo, namo,' whose author was the Montenegrin king Nikola I
>Petrovic Njegos." - Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Vojislav
>Seselj, at the same legislative session as approved
>Milosevic's amendments. (The current anthem is still the
>Tito-era "Hej, Sloveni," although there have been numerous
>proposals over the past decade to replace it with "Tamo,
>daleko" or other traditional Serbian patriotic songs.)
>
>"Not everyone in the Balkans loves [the international
>community's intervention in the region], but at least we
>Albanians want it, and this is our chance. We are not
>troubled by international arbitration in the Balkans....
>Until now, the Balkans have only known foreign rule, be it
>from the Habsburgs, the Romans, the Byzantines, the Ottomans
>or the Soviet Union. Now for the first time we have
>arbitration that is in harmony with the interests of the
>Balkans." - Albania's foremost writer Ismail Kadare, quoted
>by Reuters on 10 July.
>
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From jdouma38 at freeler.nl  Tue Jul 18 15:06:50 2000
From: jdouma38 at freeler.nl (J.Douma)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 21:06:50 +0200
Subject: [Prishtina-E] tracing Armen Begu
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From jeton at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 26 16:01:27 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Wed Jul 26 16:01:27 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US
Message-ID: <F150zyfyz5b6KZmcK8r000010e5@hotmail.com>

hi everyone,

sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it 
makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by 
reactionary ignorance.

Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians... 
but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, Mira 
Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik 
klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other 
words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your 
arguments are.

...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for 
centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i 
were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must 
quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror 
and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. 
cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda...
Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, 
why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians  are 
endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and 
Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it 
*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like 
Albert and Chris are fuel for this process.

btw, i find that joining a panel discussion is not hard if u can properly 
credential yourself (even as a plain-old "community activist") and have (or 
aquire!) a reputation for *credible* argument....

here is an article indicating that Kosovar Leaders know they must address 
this issue, but first a notice from this weeks Village Voice about a show 
this Saturday benefitting Kosovar rape victims (if i get any more info on 
this i'll post it):

tung!

"One Voice: Music Without Borders"
A rare chance to go dancing and make a difference at the same time. Once 
again the Frying Pan is the site of another outstanding lineup of music with 
Rha Goddess, Rachid, Electronic Diva Jeannette Romeu/Galaxy Girl, Shakti 
Spirit Dance Ensemble, and DJ Sevenz spinning Goa trance, plus Rene Collins, 
Chavachant, and Big Dream. DJ Dots (Wanderlust) with breakbeat/techno, 
turntablist DJ Shamus (The Snowball Collective) DJ Tuffist and DJ Pinnacle 
(Konkrete Jungle) spin jungle wax. Eve Ensler and the cast of the Vagina 
Monologues are also scheduled to appear for the cause?raising funds for 
Kosovar rape victims. (Romano)

Sat 7/29
Frying Pan
Pier 63 Chelsea Piers, Manhattan
--

and the article......
Tuesday, July 25 6:33 AM SGT
Serbs, Albanian Kosovar leaders declare "Pact against Violence"
WASHINGTON, July 24 (AFP) -
Three days of talks between Kosovo Serbs and ethnic Albanians ended with 
both sides declaring a "Pact against Violence," the US State Department and 
the private US Institute of Peace said Monday.
The first intensive face-to-face discussions between ethnic Albanian and 
Serb Kosovars facilitated by the institute were aimed at getting the two 
sides working toward a multi-ethnic society in Kosovo, still torn by ethnic 
violence.
Participants who concluded the session Sunday agreed to respect the outcome 
of upcoming "free and fair" municipal elections, cooperate in identifying 
perpetrators of crime and to urge their respective communities to surrender 
illegal arms, the institute said in a statement.
They also agreed to counter Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's 
influence in Kosovo and to dissolve any illegitimate governing and security 
structures, the statement said.
According to Serbian Orthodox Bishop Artmije Radosavljevic, a joint leader 
of the Serb delegation, the pact is the first positive document reached in 
talks between Serbs and Albanians in 100 years, the statement said.
The round-table talks -- initiated by the US State Department and organized 
by the Institute of Peace -- began early Friday and ended at 11:00 p.m. 
Sunday (0300 GMT Monday), a spokeswoman for the institute said.
Delegates included General Agim Ceku, ex-Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) head 
who is now leading its civilian successor the Kosovo Protection Corps, as 
well as leaders of the two main ethnic Albanian parties, Hashim Thaci and 
Ibrahim Rugova.
The Serb delegation is led by Rada Trajkovic as well as Bishop Radosavljevic 
of the Serbian National Council (SNV). Some 40 Kosovo Serbs and ethnic 
Albanians participated.
The "Airlie Declaration," named after the Airlie House, Warrenton, Virginia 
location where the talks were held, will be available from the US State 
Department at 10:00 a.m. (1400 GMT) Tuesday.
It will fully outline commitments made by both sides and is expected to 
contain details of the role both Serbs and ethnic Albanians want the 
international community to play in Kosovo.
"Although agreements were difficult and hard-won, the spirit in which they 
approached each other was nothing short of remarkable," Institute of Peace 
executive vice president Harriet Hentges said.
She told AFP the talks had allowed for an "open, difficult but constructive 
exchange about some of the pain they felt, some of the anger."
"Recriminations were there but also a very keen listening about what the 
other was saying," added Hentges, who was vice chair of the meeting.
"There was genuine appreciation of the suffering that each community has 
experienced and that is a very important beginning, a very important first 
step.
"When people come out of a warring conflict situation such as these people 
you have to be realistic what your goals are," she said.
"We didn't have preset ideas" for how the talks would go, Hentges added. "We 
wanted the ideas to come from them. We wanted an open dialogue, some 
commitment to concrete steps. We got both of those."



>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>Chris mate, you are spot on. You've crossed all the Ts and dotted the Is. 
>We are taking this fragile freedom for granted. We should be doing more 
>because it really ain't over until it is absolutely, unquestionably, 
>no_bloody_going_back, once_'n'_for_all over.
>
>It is most probably true that the Serbs are plotting plans and drawing 
>strategies about how to conquer Kosova once more, in ten, twenty or even 
>fifty years time. If we don't have our plans to deter them, if we don't 
>work in the opposite direction so not to even let them have the slightest 
>chance to claim their claims then we have failed.
>
>They are a funny sort, them Serbs. They are so bloody stubborn and never 
>give up. We need to be even more stubborn. Stubborn to the highest degree 
>and never ever give up what we have - our beloved Kosova.
>
>So I say to you all brothers and sisters, do not fall for (as Chris says) 
>poor little serby-werbie stories and lies. Do NOT feel sorry for "their 
>sufferings" (because be damn sure that they ain't feeling sorry for yours, 
>nor for mine, nor for the sufferings of any Albanian alive), do NOT agree 
>with anything they say, do NOT be prepared to accept any apologies from 
>them (for what they have done), do NOT and do NOT and just do NOT.
>
>This one is just on the side. The other day I read an appalling piece of 
>information on QIK's website. Mr Gazmend Pula whom I used to respect 
>awfully much and who acts as head of Helsinki's committee for Human Rights 
>in Kosova said that position of the Kosovan Serbs is very bad. He even went 
>to say that their basic human rights have been drastically endangered. They 
>might have been. They most probably bloody are to a certain extent but, we 
>Albanians are not bloody supposed to say this and more so we do NOT need 
>these sorts of comments from leading Kosovan figures. They are very 
>damaging and shall cause us only problems and grief and then more problems 
>and more grief so we might end up where we were 10 years ago.
>
>I hope I am not being pushy and unclear in any way, and I do sincerely hope 
>that you have taken the message in. If you haven't then I've wasted my 
>time.
>
>With best regards,
>Albert
>
>
>
>
>>From: Christopher Fisher <cfisher at MAILBAG.COM>
>>Reply-To: cfisher at mailbag.com
>>To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US
>>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0500
>>
>>__________________________Albanian Discussion List________________________
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>>Tung t? gjith?ve!
>>
>>I think Thomas has it right on the money, but sadly it seems that at
>>least some folks in the Albanian community (at least here in the US), by
>>my experience just "aren't getting it".  The Mititch incident should
>>serve as a wake-up call not only to the Albanian community and its
>>supporters, but even to those poor souls who have been deluded into
>>beliving the "poor little Serby-Werbies" image the Serb nationalists
>>have tried to cultivate so hard the last dozen or so years.
>>
>>Where I live, in Madison WI, there was a "panel discussion" held on the
>>aniversary of the start of the NATO bombings.  Nick Kostich (who I would
>>call a "sneazel", combining the worst elements of snake and weazel) was
>>one of the participants, as well as a Serbian visiting prof. at the UW,
>>and a very pro-Serbian radio commentator at a local "listener-sponsored"
>>station known for its extreme left-wing views.  The only half-way
>>objective member of the panel was a local cartographer.  There were no
>>Albanians on the panel, nor was any attempt made to contact any members
>>of the community until the last moment.  I do not blame all of the
>>organizers-the non-Serb ones seemed to be genuine in their desire to
>>find an Albanian representative, but honestly did not seem to know where
>>to look (and I am sure the Serbian-American woman who helped them to
>>organize it, who is also a member of the Serbian Unity Congress did not
>>help much in that regard either), due to the fact that our local
>>Albanian community has quite a low profile, unfortunatly.
>>
>>The event came off as just what I thought it would: A love feast/pity
>>party for the Serbs, and with plenty of half-whispered "National
>>Enquirer" type sensationalism on the part of the "panelists" as to the
>>mysterious plots and plans for the Albanians to bring about a state of
>>"greater Albania", which of course it was aluded would be a
>>fundamentalist Islamic state with aims of making Europe safe for Osama
>>Bin Laden.
>>
>>But what was worst was the fact that there were *no* members of the
>>Albanian community or supporters there other than myself!  Though some
>>could not attend because of the fact that it was a Friday evening,
>>historically the busiest in the Restaurant business, others did not
>>bother because, in the words of one chap "The Serbs have lost Kosova for
>>good-who cares what they try to do now?"
>>
>>Folks, in the words of Yogi Berra: "It ain't over 'till it's over"!  We
>>cannot afford this kind of apathy.  Though we hope Kosova will be truly
>>independent, and it looks like the structures are being set into place
>>for its de facto independence in 2 more years, we can afford to take
>>nothing for granted.  And the fact is that if we are apathetic over the
>>Mititch incident, what then *will* it take for us to become suitably
>>outraged, and realize that though the battle has been won, we still need
>>to win the war?
>>
>>What can we do, then, to make sure that people are aware that this is
>>how the Serbs have behaved, are behaving, and will behave for the
>>forseeable future?  Well, how about informational pickets (like perhaps
>>at Attorney Kostich's home) and encouraging boycotts of Serb-run
>>businesses whose owners have expressed anti-Albanian/Bosnian/Croat/etc.
>>sentiments, or support for the current nationalist bent of the
>>Serbo-slavian government?  In Milwaukee, Serb Hall has a Friday night
>>fish fry so popular that they had to put a drive up window to handle all
>>the people.  Wonder what would happen that fish fry if there were
>>lawful, peaceful pickets every Friday out there?  These protestations
>>should be *permanent* until such time as the Serbian-American community
>>retracts its support for Serb nationalism (esp. scum like Voislav
>>Sheslj), and appologises for it's position.  Cold day in hell before
>>that happens, you say?  Perhaps.  But in that case, they may find it's a
>>"hell" of a long time before they can go back to "business as usual".
>>
>>T? fala,
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>Thomas G. Coonan wrote:
>> >
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>> >
>> > Mititch is following the example of Milosevic's thugs who stage acts of
>> > violence in Kosova (against Serb civilians and property) so the
>> > Albanians can be blamed by a gullible international community!  They 
>>use
>> > this also to justify their own violent rampages (ie. Mitrovica) as a
>> > response for being the innocent victims!  Liars, liars, liars!
>> >
>> > -TC
>> >
>> > MAN CHARGED IN BREAK-IN AT GUARD BASE
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > Mititch is suspected of breaking into the 128th, scrawling graffiti on
>> > two buildings and writing "Free Kosova" on a satellite dish at the Air
>> > National Guard compound.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > '"Kosova" is the way Albanians refer to the region; Serbs refer to it 
>>as
>> > "Kosovo." Mititch identified himself to Milwaukee police in 1998 as
>> > Serbian.
>> >
>> > [...]
>> > Asked why Mititch would spell "Kosovo" in the Albanian manner, Veleusic
>> > shrugged and said, "Everyone is trying to trick somebody."
>> >
>> > Christopher Fisher wrote:
>> > >
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>> > > To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
>> > > From: cfisher at mailbag.com (Christopher Fisher)
>> > > Subject: Serb Terror hits US
>> > >
>> > > This story was sent from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Online: 
>>http://www.jsonline.com
>> > > It was sent by Christopher Fisher (cfisher at mailbag.com) on Friday, 
>>July 21, 2000 at 01:33:07
>> > > 
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 05:18:33 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu Jul 27 05:18:33 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US
Message-ID: <F69Ky7bloFut0dbeGne00005e40@hotmail.com>

>hi everyone,
Hi Jeton,

>sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these forums, but it 
>makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by 
>reactionary ignorance.
I agree and yes my reaction (I cannot say anything about Chris's) probably 
was a bit hastie but I would not like to think of myself as ingnorante. In 
my opinion Kosovan Serbs are complaining because today they are in the most 
un-envious position they have been for the last probably 90 to 100 years 
(which for the Serbs is degrading). Of course it is their right to complain. 
What bothers me is that a lot of us feel genuinly sorry for them. I 
certainly feel sorry for the elder and less fortunate Serbs from all over 
Kosova but not for the thugs of Mitrovica, Graqanica etc.

>
>Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i hope) Albanians
Po un? jam shqip?tar i Kosov?s.

>... but do u really think u sound ********any******** different than say, 
>Mira Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss no Et-nik 
>klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss May..." . in other 
>words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your 
>arguments are.
I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal 
about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly  
strugling to understand your above statement.

>...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land and history for 
>centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i mean, ****if i 
>were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd assume i must 
>quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** bcuz your horror 
>and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts at propaganda. 
>cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda...
You actualy sound like a third party listener.

>Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering and real blood, 
>why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of Albanians  are 
>endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and 
>Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar Albanians, but it 
>*is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of people like 
>Albert and Chris are fuel for this process.
I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we 
(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form 
of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are 
destined to lose big time.

>tung!
Me nderime,
Alberti

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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Jul 27 06:54:01 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Jul 27 06:54:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hi ts
         US
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0F7F@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Hi Jeton,

Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
own issues to worry much about theirs. 
When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us?
Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
completion?
If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all
that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of
Kosova?

I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will suffice
to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being
followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will
argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
set rules for themselves.

I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:

"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future we
want for ourselves?"

keep happy

Besnik


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: jeton ademaj [mailto:jeton at hotmail.com]
-> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 8:59 PM
-> To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com; cfisher at mailbag.com;
-> ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
-> Cc: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
-> Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb 
-> Terror hits
-> US
-> 
-> 
->              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
->         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
-> 
-> hi everyone,
-> 
-> sorry to see more short-sighted B.S. oozing around on these 
-> forums, but it 
-> makes it necessary to note that Albanian causes are not served by 
-> reactionary ignorance.
-> 
-> Albert and Chris, u have my added indulgence bcuz u r (i 
-> hope) Albanians... 
-> but do u really think u sound ********any******** different 
-> than say, Mira 
-> Markovic on 60 Minutes (during the bombing) saying "dere iss 
-> no Et-nik 
-> klenzing, itt iss like u say itt iss January and itt iss 
-> May..." . in other 
-> words, i don't think u can afford to ignore how dis-creditable your 
-> arguments are.
-> 
-> ...you can shout about how the Serbs have usurped our land 
-> and history for 
-> centuries, but why would u assume that you'd be credible? i 
-> mean, ****if i 
-> were an uninterested third party reading your diatribe i'd 
-> assume i must 
-> quarantine all further Albanian claims of sufferring**** 
-> bcuz your horror 
-> and indignation are plainly mixing with transparent attempts 
-> at propaganda. 
-> cheap, lowly and UN-credible propaganda...
-> Albanians have earned their credibility thru real suffering 
-> and real blood, 
-> why diminish that by denying that a tiny percentage of 
-> Albanians  are 
-> endangering Kosova's future thru attacks on Albanians and Serbs and 
-> Minorities... there is still much goodwill toward Kosovar 
-> Albanians, but it 
-> *is* starting to erode, and the weak unbelievable denials of 
-> people like 
-> Albert and Chris are fuel for this process.
-> 
-> btw, i find that joining a panel discussion is not hard if u 
-> can properly 
-> credential yourself (even as a plain-old "community 
-> activist") and have (or 
-> aquire!) a reputation for *credible* argument....
-> 
-> here is an article indicating that Kosovar Leaders know they 
-> must address 
-> this issue, but first a notice from this weeks Village Voice 
-> about a show 
-> this Saturday benefitting Kosovar rape victims (if i get any 
-> more info on 
-> this i'll post it):
-> 
-> tung!
-> 
-> "One Voice: Music Without Borders"
-> A rare chance to go dancing and make a difference at the 
-> same time. Once 
-> again the Frying Pan is the site of another outstanding 
-> lineup of music with 
-> Rha Goddess, Rachid, Electronic Diva Jeannette Romeu/Galaxy 
-> Girl, Shakti 
-> Spirit Dance Ensemble, and DJ Sevenz spinning Goa trance, 
-> plus Rene Collins, 
-> Chavachant, and Big Dream. DJ Dots (Wanderlust) with 
-> breakbeat/techno, 
-> turntablist DJ Shamus (The Snowball Collective) DJ Tuffist 
-> and DJ Pinnacle 
-> (Konkrete Jungle) spin jungle wax. Eve Ensler and the cast 
-> of the Vagina 
-> Monologues are also scheduled to appear for the 
-> cause?raising funds for 
-> Kosovar rape victims. (Romano)
-> 
-> Sat 7/29
-> Frying Pan
-> Pier 63 Chelsea Piers, Manhattan
-> --
-> 
-> and the article......
-> Tuesday, July 25 6:33 AM SGT
-> Serbs, Albanian Kosovar leaders declare "Pact against Violence"
-> WASHINGTON, July 24 (AFP) -
-> Three days of talks between Kosovo Serbs and ethnic 
-> Albanians ended with 
-> both sides declaring a "Pact against Violence," the US State 
-> Department and 
-> the private US Institute of Peace said Monday.
-> The first intensive face-to-face discussions between ethnic 
-> Albanian and 
-> Serb Kosovars facilitated by the institute were aimed at 
-> getting the two 
-> sides working toward a multi-ethnic society in Kosovo, still 
-> torn by ethnic 
-> violence.
-> Participants who concluded the session Sunday agreed to 
-> respect the outcome 
-> of upcoming "free and fair" municipal elections, cooperate 
-> in identifying 
-> perpetrators of crime and to urge their respective 
-> communities to surrender 
-> illegal arms, the institute said in a statement.
-> They also agreed to counter Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic's 
-> influence in Kosovo and to dissolve any illegitimate 
-> governing and security 
-> structures, the statement said.
-> According to Serbian Orthodox Bishop Artmije Radosavljevic, 
-> a joint leader 
-> of the Serb delegation, the pact is the first positive 
-> document reached in 
-> talks between Serbs and Albanians in 100 years, the statement said.
-> The round-table talks -- initiated by the US State 
-> Department and organized 
-> by the Institute of Peace -- began early Friday and ended at 
-> 11:00 p.m. 
-> Sunday (0300 GMT Monday), a spokeswoman for the institute said.
-> Delegates included General Agim Ceku, ex-Kosovo Liberation 
-> Army (KLA) head 
-> who is now leading its civilian successor the Kosovo 
-> Protection Corps, as 
-> well as leaders of the two main ethnic Albanian parties, 
-> Hashim Thaci and 
-> Ibrahim Rugova.
-> The Serb delegation is led by Rada Trajkovic as well as 
-> Bishop Radosavljevic 
-> of the Serbian National Council (SNV). Some 40 Kosovo Serbs 
-> and ethnic 
-> Albanians participated.
-> The "Airlie Declaration," named after the Airlie House, 
-> Warrenton, Virginia 
-> location where the talks were held, will be available from 
-> the US State 
-> Department at 10:00 a.m. (1400 GMT) Tuesday.
-> It will fully outline commitments made by both sides and is 
-> expected to 
-> contain details of the role both Serbs and ethnic Albanians want the 
-> international community to play in Kosovo.
-> "Although agreements were difficult and hard-won, the spirit 
-> in which they 
-> approached each other was nothing short of remarkable," 
-> Institute of Peace 
-> executive vice president Harriet Hentges said.
-> She told AFP the talks had allowed for an "open, difficult 
-> but constructive 
-> exchange about some of the pain they felt, some of the anger."
-> "Recriminations were there but also a very keen listening 
-> about what the 
-> other was saying," added Hentges, who was vice chair of the meeting.
-> "There was genuine appreciation of the suffering that each 
-> community has 
-> experienced and that is a very important beginning, a very 
-> important first 
-> step.
-> "When people come out of a warring conflict situation such 
-> as these people 
-> you have to be realistic what your goals are," she said.
-> "We didn't have preset ideas" for how the talks would go, 
-> Hentges added. "We 
-> wanted the ideas to come from them. We wanted an open dialogue, some 
-> commitment to concrete steps. We got both of those."
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> >             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
-> >        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
-> >Chris mate, you are spot on. You've crossed all the Ts and 
-> dotted the Is. 
-> >We are taking this fragile freedom for granted. We should 
-> be doing more 
-> >because it really ain't over until it is absolutely, 
-> unquestionably, 
-> >no_bloody_going_back, once_'n'_for_all over.
-> >
-> >It is most probably true that the Serbs are plotting plans 
-> and drawing 
-> >strategies about how to conquer Kosova once more, in ten, 
-> twenty or even 
-> >fifty years time. If we don't have our plans to deter them, 
-> if we don't 
-> >work in the opposite direction so not to even let them have 
-> the slightest 
-> >chance to claim their claims then we have failed.
-> >
-> >They are a funny sort, them Serbs. They are so bloody 
-> stubborn and never 
-> >give up. We need to be even more stubborn. Stubborn to the 
-> highest degree 
-> >and never ever give up what we have - our beloved Kosova.
-> >
-> >So I say to you all brothers and sisters, do not fall for 
-> (as Chris says) 
-> >poor little serby-werbie stories and lies. Do NOT feel 
-> sorry for "their 
-> >sufferings" (because be damn sure that they ain't feeling 
-> sorry for yours, 
-> >nor for mine, nor for the sufferings of any Albanian 
-> alive), do NOT agree 
-> >with anything they say, do NOT be prepared to accept any 
-> apologies from 
-> >them (for what they have done), do NOT and do NOT and just do NOT.
-> >
-> >This one is just on the side. The other day I read an 
-> appalling piece of 
-> >information on QIK's website. Mr Gazmend Pula whom I used 
-> to respect 
-> >awfully much and who acts as head of Helsinki's committee 
-> for Human Rights 
-> >in Kosova said that position of the Kosovan Serbs is very 
-> bad. He even went 
-> >to say that their basic human rights have been drastically 
-> endangered. They 
-> >might have been. They most probably bloody are to a certain 
-> extent but, we 
-> >Albanians are not bloody supposed to say this and more so 
-> we do NOT need 
-> >these sorts of comments from leading Kosovan figures. They are very 
-> >damaging and shall cause us only problems and grief and 
-> then more problems 
-> >and more grief so we might end up where we were 10 years ago.
-> >
-> >I hope I am not being pushy and unclear in any way, and I 
-> do sincerely hope 
-> >that you have taken the message in. If you haven't then 
-> I've wasted my 
-> >time.
-> >
-> >With best regards,
-> >Albert
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >>From: Christopher Fisher <cfisher at MAILBAG.COM>
-> >>Reply-To: cfisher at mailbag.com
-> >>To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
-> >>Subject: Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hits US
-> >>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:01:25 -0500
-> >>
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-> >>Tung t? gjith?ve!
-> >>
-> >>I think Thomas has it right on the money, but sadly it 
-> seems that at
-> >>least some folks in the Albanian community (at least here 
-> in the US), by
-> >>my experience just "aren't getting it".  The Mititch 
-> incident should
-> >>serve as a wake-up call not only to the Albanian community and its
-> >>supporters, but even to those poor souls who have been deluded into
-> >>beliving the "poor little Serby-Werbies" image the Serb 
-> nationalists
-> >>have tried to cultivate so hard the last dozen or so years.
-> >>
-> >>Where I live, in Madison WI, there was a "panel 
-> discussion" held on the
-> >>aniversary of the start of the NATO bombings.  Nick 
-> Kostich (who I would
-> >>call a "sneazel", combining the worst elements of snake 
-> and weazel) was
-> >>one of the participants, as well as a Serbian visiting 
-> prof. at the UW,
-> >>and a very pro-Serbian radio commentator at a local 
-> "listener-sponsored"
-> >>station known for its extreme left-wing views.  The only half-way
-> >>objective member of the panel was a local cartographer.  
-> There were no
-> >>Albanians on the panel, nor was any attempt made to 
-> contact any members
-> >>of the community until the last moment.  I do not blame all of the
-> >>organizers-the non-Serb ones seemed to be genuine in their 
-> desire to
-> >>find an Albanian representative, but honestly did not seem 
-> to know where
-> >>to look (and I am sure the Serbian-American woman who 
-> helped them to
-> >>organize it, who is also a member of the Serbian Unity 
-> Congress did not
-> >>help much in that regard either), due to the fact that our local
-> >>Albanian community has quite a low profile, unfortunatly.
-> >>
-> >>The event came off as just what I thought it would: A love 
-> feast/pity
-> >>party for the Serbs, and with plenty of half-whispered "National
-> >>Enquirer" type sensationalism on the part of the 
-> "panelists" as to the
-> >>mysterious plots and plans for the Albanians to bring 
-> about a state of
-> >>"greater Albania", which of course it was aluded would be a
-> >>fundamentalist Islamic state with aims of making Europe 
-> safe for Osama
-> >>Bin Laden.
-> >>
-> >>But what was worst was the fact that there were *no* members of the
-> >>Albanian community or supporters there other than myself!  
-> Though some
-> >>could not attend because of the fact that it was a Friday evening,
-> >>historically the busiest in the Restaurant business, others did not
-> >>bother because, in the words of one chap "The Serbs have 
-> lost Kosova for
-> >>good-who cares what they try to do now?"
-> >>
-> >>Folks, in the words of Yogi Berra: "It ain't over 'till 
-> it's over"!  We
-> >>cannot afford this kind of apathy.  Though we hope Kosova 
-> will be truly
-> >>independent, and it looks like the structures are being 
-> set into place
-> >>for its de facto independence in 2 more years, we can 
-> afford to take
-> >>nothing for granted.  And the fact is that if we are 
-> apathetic over the
-> >>Mititch incident, what then *will* it take for us to 
-> become suitably
-> >>outraged, and realize that though the battle has been won, 
-> we still need
-> >>to win the war?
-> >>
-> >>What can we do, then, to make sure that people are aware 
-> that this is
-> >>how the Serbs have behaved, are behaving, and will behave for the
-> >>forseeable future?  Well, how about informational pickets 
-> (like perhaps
-> >>at Attorney Kostich's home) and encouraging boycotts of Serb-run
-> >>businesses whose owners have expressed 
-> anti-Albanian/Bosnian/Croat/etc.
-> >>sentiments, or support for the current nationalist bent of the
-> >>Serbo-slavian government?  In Milwaukee, Serb Hall has a 
-> Friday night
-> >>fish fry so popular that they had to put a drive up window 
-> to handle all
-> >>the people.  Wonder what would happen that fish fry if there were
-> >>lawful, peaceful pickets every Friday out there?  These 
-> protestations
-> >>should be *permanent* until such time as the 
-> Serbian-American community
-> >>retracts its support for Serb nationalism (esp. scum like Voislav
-> >>Sheslj), and appologises for it's position.  Cold day in 
-> hell before
-> >>that happens, you say?  Perhaps.  But in that case, they 
-> may find it's a
-> >>"hell" of a long time before they can go back to "business 
-> as usual".
-> >>
-> >>T? fala,
-> >>
-> >>Chris
-> >>
-> >>
-> >>Thomas G. Coonan wrote:
-> >> >
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-> >> >
-> >> > Mititch is following the example of Milosevic's thugs 
-> who stage acts of
-> >> > violence in Kosova (against Serb civilians and property) so the
-> >> > Albanians can be blamed by a gullible international 
-> community!  They 
-> >>use
-> >> > this also to justify their own violent rampages (ie. 
-> Mitrovica) as a
-> >> > response for being the innocent victims!  Liars, liars, liars!
-> >> >
-> >> > -TC
-> >> >
-> >> > MAN CHARGED IN BREAK-IN AT GUARD BASE
-> >> >
-> >> > [...]
-> >> > Mititch is suspected of breaking into the 128th, 
-> scrawling graffiti on
-> >> > two buildings and writing "Free Kosova" on a satellite 
-> dish at the Air
-> >> > National Guard compound.
-> >> >
-> >> > [...]
-> >> > '"Kosova" is the way Albanians refer to the region; 
-> Serbs refer to it 
-> >>as
-> >> > "Kosovo." Mititch identified himself to Milwaukee 
-> police in 1998 as
-> >> > Serbian.
-> >> >
-> >> > [...]
-> >> > Asked why Mititch would spell "Kosovo" in the Albanian 
-> manner, Veleusic
-> >> > shrugged and said, "Everyone is trying to trick somebody."
-> >> >
-> >> > Christopher Fisher wrote:
-> >> > >
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-> >> > >
-> >> > > To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU
-> >> > > From: cfisher at mailbag.com (Christopher Fisher)
-> >> > > Subject: Serb Terror hits US
-> >> > >
-> >> > > This story was sent from the Milwaukee Journal 
-> Sentinel Online: 
-> >>http://www.jsonline.com
-> >> > > It was sent by Christopher Fisher 
-> (cfisher at mailbag.com) on Friday, 
-> >>July 21, 2000 at 01:33:07
-> >> > > 
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-> >> > >
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From jeton at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 07:13:01 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:13:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] foolishness
Message-ID: <F155jaxPDh5vNpqY1Yf00002088@hotmail.com>

I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal 
about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly  
strugling to understand your above statement.

You actualy sound like a third party listener.

I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we 
(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the form 
of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are 
destined to lose big time.



Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
own issues to worry much about theirs.
When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us?
Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
completion?
If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all
that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of
Kosova?

I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will suffice
to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being
followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will
argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
set rules for themselves.

I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:

"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future we
want for ourselves?"

keep happy

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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 07:32:10 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:32:10 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [ALBANIAN] Serb Terror hi ts US
Message-ID: <F10pcx1HJDU9jUID93S000015ab@hotmail.com>


>Hi Jeton,
>
>Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
>proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
>views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
>Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
>should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
>own issues to worry much about theirs.
>When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us?
>Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
>us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
>completion?
>If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all
>that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
>goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of
>Kosova?
>
>I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will 
>suffice
>to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
>who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being
>followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will
>argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
>set rules for themselves.
Well said, Besnik mate. I am not replying just to make up the numbers and 
say that I agree with wat you're saying but because you've asked a very 
important question below.

>I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:
>
>"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future 
>we
>want for ourselves?"
I think we unfortunately are to a certain extent. We seam to be missing the 
boat everytime. I am sure that we would like to be able to  plan a future 
for ourselves if we could jump the major hurdle of concern what the world 
might think of us. We bloody well know what the world thinks of us. They are 
sorry of what has happened to us, they are prepared to send some money and 
people to guide us through the process, they will want us to follow their 
guidelines but in the grand scheme of things they probably rate us preaty 
low as a country and in my opinion this is because we never stand for 
ourselves, we always worry about not so important things, we never stick 
together and we do not like to work hard.

To answer your question Besnik, I think that we are too worried about what 
the others think of us and we will continue to do so until we realise that 
our future belongs to us and we should build it or at least have a major 
input in planning it.

And certainly argueeing about the sufferings of a few thousands of serbs is 
not gonna solve any issues.

>keep happy
I am a happy bunny

>Besnik
Tungat,
Alberti

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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 07:38:16 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:38:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] foolishness
Message-ID: <F110DiVRZnBU98l7jOx00003261@hotmail.com>

Jeton,

I am not 100% sure what are you struggling with but it bloody well looks to 
me like you are refering to Besnik's and my comments as foolish.

I don't think there is a need for such remarks but I am sure I would not 
call you a fool.

Strangly enough, in one of your previous emails you refered to me as your 
friend. I knew then that was a metaphore.

So long,
Albert

>From: "jeton ademaj" <jeton at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
>CC: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Prishtina-l] foolishness
>Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:12:26 EDT
>
>             --- Forumi i diskutimeve Prishtina-L ---
>        Arkivi: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-l
>I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal
>about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly
>strugling to understand your above statement.
>
>You actualy sound like a third party listener.
>
>I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we
>(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the 
>form
>of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are
>destined to lose big time.
>
>
>
>Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
>proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
>views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
>Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
>should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
>own issues to worry much about theirs.
>When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us?
>Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
>us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
>completion?
>If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all
>that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
>goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of
>Kosova?
>
>I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will 
>suffice
>to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
>who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being
>followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will
>argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
>set rules for themselves.
>
>I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:
>
>"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future 
>we
>want for ourselves?"
>
>keep happy
>
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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Thu Jul 27 07:50:01 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Thu Jul 27 07:50:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Budallen mos e vet se te kallxon vet - The fool will announce its elf
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0F82@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

Jeton,

I can only deduct from the subject line of your reply (see message below)
that you regard the contents as "foolishness". You have your right to your
opinion, but why not let everyone make their judgment.


I think for this exchange, the old saying:

"There is no need to seek a fool, it will announce itself." (Budallen mos e
vet se t'kallxon vet.)

is much more appropriate.

keep happy

Besnik


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: jeton ademaj [mailto:jeton at hotmail.com]
-> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:12 PM
-> To: prishtina-e at alb-net.com
-> Cc: prishtina-l at alb-net.com
-> Subject: [Prishtina-E] foolishness
-> 
-> 
->              --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum ---
->         Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e
-> 
-> I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a 
-> great deal 
-> about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I 
-> am genuinly  
-> strugling to understand your above statement.
-> 
-> You actualy sound like a third party listener.
-> 
-> I agree with the part of your statement about credibility 
-> etc but if we 
-> (all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show 
-> itself in the form 
-> of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so 
-> much) we are 
-> destined to lose big time.
-> 
-> 
-> 
-> Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out 
-> what are you
-> proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from 
-> giving us your
-> views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
-> Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar 
-> Albanians" we
-> should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very 
-> busy with our
-> own issues to worry much about theirs.
-> When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that 
-> matter for us?
-> Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the 
-> agendas set for
-> us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
-> completion?
-> If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been 
-> done to us, all
-> that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we 
-> need. Can the
-> goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment 
-> for the people of
-> Kosova?
-> 
-> I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe 
-> it will suffice
-> to say that there are two type of people, leaders and 
-> followers (the ones
-> who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we 
-> should stop being
-> followers and we should start setting some rules. And for 
-> the ones who will
-> argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one 
-> is to small to
-> set rules for themselves.
-> 
-> I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:
-> 
-> "Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what 
-> kind of future we
-> want for ourselves?"
-> 
-> keep happy
-> 
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From jeton at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 08:26:01 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Thu Jul 27 08:26:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] foolishness
Message-ID: <F36BAyxJMXehYSoOZzH00003ac4@hotmail.com>

Hello all,

Albert:

>I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal 
>about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly  
>strugling to understand your above statement.

Mira Markovic (Slobo's wife/demonmistress) was on the USA's premier 
newsprogram "60 Minutes" in spring '99, and she delivered a long string of 
garishly bald-faced lies about her regime, Serbia and Kosova. Her extreme 
contempt for the intelligence of the audience was palpable, and she, and 
monsters like her (Arkan, Goran Matic, Slobo) were wonderfully useful to the 
Albanian cause thru their excruciating appearances on American TV. They 
showed the people of the West just what sorts of creatures Albanians were up 
against...
mealy mouthed Albanians who characterize grenade-launchings against children 
and elderly as 'serbi-werbi sufferings' sound just as bad, only weaker!

>You actualy sound like a third party listener.

your welcome. consider us all lucky that your opinions can be exposed to 
disinfecting sunlight b4 u can spam them out to the general public.


>I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we 
>(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the 
>form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we are 
>destined to lose big time.

No, we are destined to lose big time if we alienate our counter-Serbia, our 
counter-Russia: NATO, particularly the USA, and not especially Greece and 
France ?(notice I don?t write France n Greece off, cuz either is currently 
more valuable to the USA n the rest of NATO than Albanians are). Albanians 
have suffered under empires or alliances of oppressors since b4 we were 
Albanians (ask Queen Teuta), and the key to Albanians freeing themselves of 
this (largely Slavic) Oppressor is thru alliance with it?s arch-rival, **the 
USA**.  Anyone who thinks Albanians can take on the Slavic ?Empire? alone 
(or relying on, say, Pakistan) is smoking too much, or knows something no 
one else does?

?and that brings us to Besnik:

>Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
>proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
>views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
>Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
>should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
>own issues to worry much about theirs.
OUR ISSUE IS OUR CONTROL OF KOSOVA. RANDOM MORTAR-FIRE ON CIVILIANS BESPEAKS 
A LACK OF ***RECOGNIZABLE, DIPLOMATICALLY HONORABLE*** CONTROL! ALBANIANS 
ARE RIGHT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT A FEW MANIACS DO NOT EQUAL U*C*K, OR 
T*M*K, OR ALBANIANS IN GENERAL!

>When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for us?
>Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
>us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
>completion?

What sort of vapid agit-prop is this? ?Mos e harrone Token Shiptare? should 
be the Agenda, not ?deteriorate Kosova into a proud xenophobic crimestate?!
?THAT is what the world decodes from such words, regardless of what u think 
you're saying! If the Serbian propaganda is that Albanians are ?wolves in 
sheep?s clothing? (?they claim to be civilized but they?re really mobster 
mujaheddin!!?), what can we expect of a (typically forgetful) world audience 
who then looks at Albanians like Albert and Besnik trying to mumble 
intolerance?

yes, u guys are all mumbling! which is worse than outright declarations, it 
makes u sound shifty!

>If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, all
>that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
>goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people of
>Kosova?

NO, INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TOWARDS KOSOVA CANNOT, ***BY ITSELF*** BUILD A 
STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITHIN IT, ****BUT****, NO STABLE AND SECURE 
ENVIRONMENT WILL EVER BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT IT!  I REPEAT, ***DO WE WANNA 
FACE THE SIBERIAN HORDE ALONE, OR WITH THE WEST BACKING US UP?***

>I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will 
>suffice
>to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
>who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop being
>followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who will
>argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
>set rules for themselves.

LOL! You better stop indeed! What a puissant insight: ?leaders n 
followers??! very original??what rules would u be talking about, hmmmmm? 
HAVE U THE BALLS TO SPELL THEM OUT? CUZ IF U DON?T, BUT YER STILL WILLING TO 
HUFF N PUFF CRYPTICALLY, THEN ALL YOU ARE IS A LIVING BREATHING EXAMPLE OF 
THE ?ALBANIAN BOOGEYMAN? THESE ?SERBI WERBIS? ARE PROPAGANDIZING ABOUT!

>I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:

>"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future 
>we
>want for ourselves?"

BETTER: ARE WE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR 
OURSELVES, OR DO WE PREFER TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY VALIDATING THE 
WORST ANTI-ALBANIAN BIGOTRIES, LEAVING US VULNERABLE TO ALL THE OLD 
HORDES...?

>keep happy

KEEP ALERT, BE WISE

jeton

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From jeton at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 08:42:16 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Thu Jul 27 08:42:16 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] foolishness
Message-ID: <F1590v7SPh6wrhuOCT200004900@hotmail.com>

Albert,

I respect your right to your opinions, but i am not facile. When I 
characterize the noted opinions as foolish, i am being gentle, bcuz i am 
well aquainted with more accurate descriptions...

i did not call u a fool per se. i do not know your reasoning or motivation 
enuff to characterize u, en toto, as a fool...but i wouldn't hesitate to say 
it if i thought it necessary...i would expect nothing less of my friends 
(whoever u are!).

peace
jeton

>Jeton,
>
>I am not 100% sure what are you struggling with but it bloody well looks to
>me like you are refering to Besnik's and my comments as foolish.
>
>I don't think there is a need for such remarks but I am sure I would not
>call you a fool.
>
>Strangly enough, in one of your previous emails you refered to me as your
>friend. I knew then that was a metaphore.
>
>So long,
>Albert
>

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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 09:01:01 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu Jul 27 09:01:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] foolishness
Message-ID: <F10267Wr4NdSs4uWkr50000218f@hotmail.com>

Jeton,

Te falemnderit per spjegimin reth M Markovic.
>
>Hello all,
>
>Albert:
>
>>I am not sure what you're refering to because I don't know a great deal 
>>about M Markovic and I am not sure what 60 Minutes is but I am genuinly  
>>strugling to understand your above statement.
>
>Mira Markovic (Slobo's wife/demonmistress) was on the USA's premier 
>newsprogram "60 Minutes" in spring '99, and she delivered a long string of 
>garishly bald-faced lies about her regime, Serbia and Kosova. Her extreme 
>contempt for the intelligence of the audience was palpable, and she, and 
>monsters like her (Arkan, Goran Matic, Slobo) were wonderfully useful to 
>the Albanian cause thru their excruciating appearances on American TV. They 
>showed the people of the West just what sorts of creatures Albanians were 
>up against...
>mealy mouthed Albanians who characterize grenade-launchings against 
>children and elderly as 'serbi-werbi sufferings' sound just as bad, only 
>weaker!
>
>>You actualy sound like a third party listener.
>
>your welcome. consider us all lucky that your opinions can be exposed to 
>disinfecting sunlight b4 u can spam them out to the general public.

Exposure of opinion to disinfecting sunlight sounds to me exactly like what 
you are doing. But, then I might be wrong. Oh, by the way did you mean span 
(full extent from and to end) or spam (tinned meat product mainly made from 
ham). Maybe spam is some sort of yank word, which it seams to me you are 
quite accustomed to.
>
>>I agree with the part of your statement about credibility etc but if we 
>>(all) don't point out the danger that is starting to show itself in the 
>>form of "serbie-werbi sufferings" (Chris I like your phrase so much) we 
>>are destined to lose big time.
>
>No, we are destined to lose big time if we alienate our counter-Serbia, our 
>counter-Russia: NATO, particularly the USA, and not especially Greece and 
>France ?(notice I don?t write France n Greece off, cuz either is currently 
>more valuable to the USA n the rest of NATO than Albanians are). Albanians 
>have suffered under empires or alliances of oppressors since b4 we were 
>Albanians (ask Queen Teuta), and the key to Albanians freeing themselves of 
>this (largely Slavic) Oppressor is thru alliance with it?s arch-rival, 
>**the USA**.  Anyone who thinks Albanians can take on the Slavic ?Empire? 
>alone (or relying on, say, Pakistan) is smoking too much, or knows 
>something no one else does?
I did not say that we should alienate the western powers. Neither am I 
saying that we ought to take on the Slavic Empire alone nor with the help of 
Pakistan (strange suggestion by the way). All I am suggesting is that we 
should play the major role in determinignour future. This hardly qualifies 
for Kosovan ignorance towards the USA or any body else from NATO.

>?and that brings us to Besnik:
>
>>Excuse my ignorance, but I seem to be unable to figure out what are you
>>proposing. In other words what is your point, apart from giving us your
>>views on Albert's and Chris's writing.
>>Are you saying that to keep the "goodwill towards Kosovar Albanians" we
>>should fight the serb cause? At the moment we should be very busy with our
>>own issues to worry much about theirs.
>OUR ISSUE IS OUR CONTROL OF KOSOVA. RANDOM MORTAR-FIRE ON CIVILIANS 
>BESPEAKS A LACK OF ***RECOGNIZABLE, DIPLOMATICALLY HONORABLE*** CONTROL! 
>ALBANIANS ARE RIGHT TO REMIND THE WORLD THAT A FEW MANIACS DO NOT EQUAL 
>U*C*K, OR T*M*K, OR ALBANIANS IN GENERAL!
>
>>When are we going to focus on the real issues, the ones that matter for 
>>us?
>>Are we ever going to stop being followers, sticking to the agendas set for
>>us? When are we going to have our own agenda and follow it through to
>>completion?
>
>What sort of vapid agit-prop is this? ?Mos e harrone Token Shiptare? should 
>be the Agenda, not ?deteriorate Kosova into a proud xenophobic crimestate?!
>?THAT is what the world decodes from such words, regardless of what u think 
>you're saying! If the Serbian propaganda is that Albanians are ?wolves in 
>sheep?s clothing? (?they claim to be civilized but they?re really mobster 
>mujaheddin!!?), what can we expect of a (typically forgetful) world 
>audience who then looks at Albanians like Albert and Besnik trying to 
>mumble intolerance?
>
>yes, u guys are all mumbling! which is worse than outright declarations, it 
>makes u sound shifty!
>
>>If we keep crying about the "great injustice" that has been done to us, 
>>all
>>that we will get will be that "goodwill". Is that what we need. Can the
>>goodwill towards us build a stable and secure environment for the people 
>>of
>>Kosova?
>
>NO, INTERNATIONAL GOODWILL TOWARDS KOSOVA CANNOT, ***BY ITSELF*** BUILD A 
>STABLE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT WITHIN IT, ****BUT****, NO STABLE AND SECURE 
>ENVIRONMENT WILL EVER BE ESTABLISHED WITHOUT IT!  I REPEAT, ***DO WE WANNA 
>FACE THE SIBERIAN HORDE ALONE, OR WITH THE WEST BACKING US UP?***
If we were to face the Ruskis and the Serbis then yes we would need western 
back up.

>>I better stop, before I get into long elaboration. I believe it will 
>>suffice
>>to say that there are two type of people, leaders and followers (the ones
>>who set the rules and the ones who follow them). I say we should stop 
>>being
>>followers and we should start setting some rules. And for the ones who 
>>will
>>argue that we are too small to set rules, I will say no one is to small to
>>set rules for themselves.
>
>LOL! You better stop indeed! What a puissant insight: ?leaders n 
>followers??! very original??what rules would u be talking about, hmmmmm? 
>HAVE U THE BALLS TO SPELL THEM OUT? CUZ IF U DON?T, BUT YER STILL WILLING 
>TO HUFF N PUFF CRYPTICALLY, THEN ALL YOU ARE IS A LIVING BREATHING EXAMPLE 
>OF THE ?ALBANIAN BOOGEYMAN? THESE ?SERBI WERBIS? ARE PROPAGANDIZING ABOUT!
>
>>I would like to ask the crucial question once more, more directly:
>
>>"Are we more concerned what the others think of us or what kind of future 
>>we
>>want for ourselves?"
>
>BETTER: ARE WE MORE CONCERNED ABOUT GETTING THE FUTURE WE WANT FOR 
>OURSELVES, OR DO WE PREFER TO SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT BY VALIDATING THE 
>WORST ANTI-ALBANIAN BIGOTRIES, LEAVING US VULNERABLE TO ALL THE OLD 
>HORDES...?
>
>>keep happy
>
>KEEP ALERT, BE WISE
>
>jeton
Alberti
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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 27 09:15:01 2000
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Thu Jul 27 09:15:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Re: [Prishtina-l] foolishness
Message-ID: <F91RkszFs9vvbtZWRf200004999@hotmail.com>

>Albert,
I nderuari Jeton,

>I respect your right to your opinions, but i am not facile.
I understand from your last reply that there is no way that you could be 
facile. Amazing, we actually agreed on something.

>When I
>characterize the noted opinions as foolish, i am being gentle, bcuz i am
>well aquainted with more accurate descriptions...
I am sure you are mate. It's just that showing some courtesy to those that 
you are trying to defeat in an argument is a realy gentlemanly gesture which 
I know for a fact that is not widely spread in the yankland (where according 
to your spelling technique you live)

>i did not call u a fool per se. i do not know your reasoning or motivation
>enuff to characterize u, en toto, as a fool...but i wouldn't hesitate to 
>say
>it if i thought it necessary...i would expect nothing less of my friends
>(whoever u are!).
As I said to you in one of my previous emails if I new you I am absolutely 
certain that the feeling would be mutual.

>peace
Peace it is then.

Te pershendes,
Alberti

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From iberisha at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 30 19:24:01 2000
From: iberisha at yahoo.com (Ilir Berisha)
Date: Sun Jul 30 19:24:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Budallen mos e vet se te kallxon vet - The fool will announce its elf
Message-ID: <20000730232334.2714.qmail@web3706.mail.yahoo.com>

> 
> 
> I think for this exchange, the old saying:
> 
> "There is no need to seek a fool, it will announce
> itself." (Budallen mos e
> vet se t'kallxon vet.)
> 


"IT? will announce ITself? I think "IT" just did, by
translating the way "it" did :)


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From besnik.grajqevci at bt.com  Mon Jul 31 07:10:01 2000
From: besnik.grajqevci at bt.com (besnik.grajqevci at bt.com)
Date: Mon Jul 31 07:10:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] Budallen mos e vet se te kallxon vet - The fool will
         announce its elf
Message-ID: <71DA16F18D32D2119A1D0000F8FE9A9408DD0F8B@mbtlipnt01.btlabs.bt.co.uk>

-> > 
-> > 
-> > I think for this exchange, the old saying:
-> > 
-> > "There is no need to seek a fool, it will announce
-> > itself." (Budallen mos e
-> > vet se t'kallxon vet.)
-> > 
-> 
-> 
-> "IT? will announce ITself? I think "IT" just did, by
-> translating the way "it" did :)
-> 

Dear Ilir,

I used 'it' to avoid using 'he/she'.
However, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts. 
I would appreciate a more appropriate translation, if you will be willing to
provide.

Keep happy

Besnik


From jeton at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 14:10:01 2000
From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj)
Date: Mon Jul 31 14:10:01 2000
Subject: [Prishtina-E] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F134jZ7zgTpit29vWiB00001046@hotmail.com>

hello all,

here is an aricle documenting the process i've been warning about...
pay particular attention to the statements from the UN police commander 
regarding enclaves (partition) in Kosova.... i suspect it's a growing burden 
for Kosova on her way to recognition of her independence...

ps to dardan, i know u may block this from -l bcuz it's english, but it's 
certainly relevant.....



Sunday, July 30 8:36 PM SGT

Police warn of "enclavisation and mafia rule" after Kosovo violence
PRISTINA, Yugoslavia, July 30 (AFP) -
Four Kosovo Serbian homes were attacked by extremists in one night, a UN 
spokesman said Sunday, as a senior policeman warned the province faced 
"enclavisation" and mafia rule.

Gary Carrell, regional commander of the international UN police force in 
Gnjilane, southwestern Kosovo, said that following attacks on minorities, 
"Albanians have lost their right not to have 'enclavisation'. They have had 
their chance."

On Saturday a Serb house in the mixed town of Kosovo Polje near Pristina was 
attacked with a Molotov cocktail, Serb houses in nearby Obilic and Gnjilane 
in the southwest were hit by hand grenades and in Orahovac in the southwest 
another was burned to the ground, the spokesman said.

The attacks, which caused no injuries, are apparently the latest in a series 
of ethnically motivated crimes directed against minority groups in the 
province.

Previous attacks have been found to be the work of ethnic Albanian 
extremists.

Many of the 100,000 Serbs still living in Kosovo, around a third of those 
who lived there before the province's 1998-1999 civil war, now live in 
enclaves guarded by soldiers of the KFOR multinational peacekeeping force.

The ethnic separation has led to accusations from ethnic Albanian 
politicians that the international community is overseeing the cantonisation 
of the province.

Carrell said his officers were trying their best to protect minorities from 
crime and allow normal life to continue, but their efforts were being 
frustrated by the refusal of local people to cooperate.

"It's getting harder and harder to maintain the morale of my force," he told 
AFP.

"The most frustrating thing is that the general population does not seem 
ready or willing to participate in democracy. If they don't understand that 
they need to help then there can't be a democracy," he said.

Carrell compared the situation before the arrival of Kosovo's UN 
administration last year, when a huge Yugoslav security presence used often 
brutal means to control crime and unrest, with his own limited resources and 
powers, under which he had to rely on witnesses coming forward.

"They are not willing to play their part if they see a serious crime," he 
said.

If the population were not prepared to assist a democratic police force then 
the end result could only be a return to totalitarian government or the 
triumph of organised crime, he warned.

"The worst case is that the mafia could control this place. That's the 
bottom line," he said.


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