From eb246 at columbia.edu Thu Jul 20 08:17:24 2006 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:17:24 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] Kosovo's Christian Serbs --Press conference in less than 2 hours Message-ID: <44BF7454.7030405@columbia.edu> HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From Amustafaj at aol.com Thu Jul 20 10:07:40 2006 From: Amustafaj at aol.com (Amustafaj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:07:40 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Kosovo's Christian Serbs --Press conference in less than 2 hours Message-ID: Dear All: Firstly, thank you for forwarding this message. While the National Albanian American Council works hard to keep pace with all activities, issues and concerns that pertain to Albanians, it helps to have others monitoring as well. As for this press conference today, NAAC will have a representative in attendance. In response, we will be dropping of information packets that more accurately portrait the reality of Kosova. The information are copies of briefing given at the Helsinki Commision. A few weeks back, the Serbian Unity Council placed an ad in Roll Call, a publication distributed on the Hill, in which it accused Albanians of being linked to Bin Laden, drug smuggling, muslim terrorists -- the usual nonsense we've all read before. Subsequently, along with Congressman Eliot Engel, NAAC held a press conference denouncing the ad; the use of such hate speech; called on Roll Call to not publish such ads; and asked that Venable, a PR Firm in Washington DC responsible for putting the ad together, to fire the person responsible for writing it. A few days later, Roll Call had a brief article including a photo of Congressman Engel holding the ad. While it is true that the Serbian lobby has increased its activities in Washington DC, we have been assured by high reanking members of the US government, representatives of leading think tanks and others familiar and engaged in Albanian issues, that they are not having a serious impact. In fact, quite the contrary, the ad in Roll Call served more as a boomberang as it was full of outrageous false accusations which could not possibly be taken seriously. It is important to remember that there is a great deal of good will for Albanians in Washongton DC, the international community is mostly in favor of Kosova's independence and, equally important, Kosova's independence is morally just. All of these came about because so many, have sacrifieced so much, for so long and we must not allow ourselves to be dragged into verbal skirmishes to take away the rights we have earned. We do not want to give them any justification to continue their desperate acts Please be aware that we will continue to monitor any and all activities and welcome your input. Gjithe te mirat, Avni Mustafaj Executive Director National Albanian American Council -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From Amustafaj at aol.com Thu Jul 20 10:12:03 2006 From: Amustafaj at aol.com (Amustafaj at aol.com) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 10:12:03 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Kosovo's Christian Serbs --Press conference in less than 2 hours Message-ID: <2e4.4fd69100.31f0e933@aol.com> News from Congressman Eliot Engel Representing the Bronx, Westchester, and Rockland Counties For release: July 20, 2006 Contact: Rebecca Gale, 202 225 2464 rebecca.gale at mail.house.gov ENGEL EXPRESSES OUTRAGE AT APPALLING KOSOVA ADS Washington, D.C.-Congressman Eliot Engel (D-NY) criticized a campaign by the American Council for Kosovo ?s statements linking Kosova?s citizens to jihadi terrorists. ?The American Council for Kosovo is spreading utter lies that slander the people of Kosova," said Congressman Engel, a Senior Member of the House International Relations Subcommittee on Europe. "This is a bigoted, hate-filled campaign which targets Kosovars on the basis of religion. It is un-American and must end." Engel continued, ?I know the people of Kosova. They are secular, western in orientation, and the most pro-American people in the world. Using words like jihad and terrorist with respect to the Kosovar leadership or people is ridiculous and offensive.? Engel called on Venable and Global Strategic Communications Group to end ?their campaign of hate speech against good, honest Kosovars? and drop the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija as their client. ### -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Sat Jul 22 05:44:09 2006 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 05:44:09 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] the weasel pops again. Message-ID: here's an article covering the Serbian Bishop's press conference, Besnik gets a shout out on a first-name basis... http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200607/CUL20060721a.html US Accused of Siding With 'Criminals and Jihadists' in Kosovo By Nathan Burchfiel CNSNews.com Staff Writer July 21, 2006 (CNSNews.com) - A prominent Serbian Orthodox bishop Thursday said the U.S. was allowing Islamic extremists to wage war on Christians in Kosovo by deciding not to oppose Kosovo's independence. Kosovo is an autonomous province in Serbia with a population of about 2 million, most who are ethnic Albanian and Muslim. It is currently administered by the United Nations Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK), but negotiations which began this year are expected to eventually result in independence for the province. However, Dr. Artemije Radosavljevic on Thursday issued a warning about the prospect of and independent Kosovo. "At a time when America is leading the free world in a global struggle against jihad terror, Kosovo-Metohija must not continue to be an exception, where for reasons we do not understand, American officials have taken the side of the criminals and jihadists," Artemije said during a news conference in Washington, D.C. Artemije, the bishop of Raska-Prizren and Kosovo-Metohija, has traveled to the United States on several occasions to meet with government officials and urge them to oppose independence for Kosovo. He told reporters that the region has become a "black hole of corruption and crime" since it became a protectorate of the United Nations in 1999, following NATO bombings that were intended to encourage then-Serbian President Slobodan Milosovic to withdraw his forces from Kosovo. Since 1999, the Kosovar Albanians have targeted Serbian Orthodox Christians, according to Artemije, allegedly burning down more than 150 churches, driving more than 220,000 Christians from the region and killing thousands more. Granting Kosovo independence from Serbia would make Serbian Christians more vulnerable to violence from the region's Muslim majority. "Detaching Kosovo from democratic Serbia," Artemije said, "would mean a virtual sentence of extinction for my people in the province and create a rogue state in which the terrorists are the government." He added that there have been thousands of Christians captured and killed by Muslim extremists, including numerous videotaped beheadings. "Why are jihad beheadings an outrage in the rest of the world, but not when they're happening in Kosovo to Christian Serbs?" Artemije asked. Artemije said he has had several meetings with Bush administration officials and members of Congress during his current visit, but a spokesman declined to name the individuals with whom the bishop met. Artemije told reporters that his current trip to the U.S. has been more successful than the one he took in February of this year. "There certainly has been movement forward judging by the number of meetings, the quality of meetings, the atmosphere in which the talks where held and the obvious presence of a desire to help," he said. In an October 2005 report titled: "Why Independence for Kosovo?" prepared by Muhamedin Kullashi and Besnik Pula - intellectuals from the city of Prishtina -- they argued that independence is the "only historically justified and politically viable solution that will guarantee peace, stability and development in the Balkans." "Placing sovereignty in Prishtina's hands will finally enable Kosovo's integration into regional, European and global institutions, and allow its emergence from the institutional, political and diplomatic isolation imposed by the international administration of UNMIK, as a result of the unresolved status," they wrote. Muhamedin and Besnik also claimed that "the key generator of conflict in Kosovo was Serbia's aggressive and repressive policy against the local Albanian population, and not any hatred or lack of trust between ethnic communities." "With its aggression and campaign of ethnic cleansing in 1999, Serbia lost any legitimacy to rule over Kosovo in any shape or form," they wrote. U.S. State Department spokesman Terry Davidson told Cybercast News Service that the United States has "not said explicitly that we're for independence or against independence. It just has to be something that takes the various interests into account and protects the minority populations as well." He said further information could be found in the remarks that Ambassador Frank Wisner, the U.S. representative to the Kosovo Status Talks, made during interviews with Voice of America radio on June 23. "The issue today is to put in place the structure of a Kosovo that will be stable," Wisner said last month, one that "will provide the basis of a functioning society that can evolve into a full partner in a greater European and Western community." Wisner told Voice of America that, "Whatever the future will be in terms of final status -- whether Kosovo will be independent or something else -- Kosovo Serbs are going to need protections that will guarantee them their full rights." He also declined to offer an opinion on whether Kosovo should be granted independence from Serbia, but said the region's final status would be addressed "during 2006." From besnik at alb-net.com Mon Jul 24 10:15:41 2006 From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:15:41 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: outrageous article on Albania References: Message-ID: Below is my reaction to a very offensive article published yesterday in the London Times. You can read the article at http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/ 0,,2099-2271185,00.html I urge you to react as well. -Besnik Begin forwarded message: > From: nyc-l-owner at alb-net.com > Date: July 24, 2006 3:51:46 PM GMT+02:00 > To: besnikpula at gmail.com > Subject: outrageous article on Albania > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > nyc-l-owner at alb-net.com. > > > From: Besnik Pula > Date: July 24, 2006 3:51:18 PM GMT+02:00 > To: letters at sunday-times.co.uk, travel at sunday-times.co.uk > Cc: alb-Shkenca ((www.alb-shkenca.org)) , > nyc-l at alb-net.com, Avni Mustafaj , NAAC > , shipecat at yahoogroups.com > Subject: outrageous article on Albania > > > Dear Editor: > > I was appalled, offended, and utterly disgusted by the article on > Albania by A. A. Gill in the Sunday Times of July 23, 2006 ("The > land that time forgot"). As a student of colonialism, I had to > pinch myself several times to become reminded of the fact that I > was indeed reading a Times article published in 2006, and not in > 1906. But even colonial-era journalists had a greater sense of tact > when writing about foreign cultures. A. A. Gill's article could > have been motivated by nothing other than maliciousness and > shameless bigotry. The claims he makes there are not only > outrageous, but slanderous to the point of being the potential > subject of legal action, which I truly hope the Albanian Embassy in > London and/or other third parties will seriously consider taking > against the author and your paper. > > After some research on the author of the article, I learned of his > notoriety in issuing offensive remarks against others (including, I > learned, the Welsh and the English). His attitudes thus reflect a > pattern of racism that he harbors against others not like him, whom > for whatever perverse reasons he enjoys branding into ugly > stereotypes. These facts somewhat lessened my astonishment at what > was written in the article, but I became even more disturbed of the > fact that such slanderous articles would find their way into the > pages of The Times, and even more that such bigots would be on your > payroll. I must say that your editorial staff's decision to allow > the publication of such a completely uninformative, brazenly > bigoted, and highly offensive article has greatly diminished the > respect I once had for your paper. > > Sincerely, > > Besnik Pula > ABD, Ph.D. Candidate > Department of Sociology > University of Michigan > Fulbright Scholar > Tirana, Albania > > > > From euroguy666 at yahoo.com Mon Jul 24 11:24:15 2006 From: euroguy666 at yahoo.com (KL3V1S) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: outrageous article on Albania In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060724152415.42638.qmail@web52613.mail.yahoo.com> I read that article. I simply thought that the idiot who wrote it was working for one of these Serb-propaganda fronts, so I didn't bother giving it a second thought. Your letter to the editor was right on the money though, I really hope they publish it. Someone needs to shoot this "gill" retard in the face. --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From dianaosmani at hotmail.com Mon Jul 24 12:03:48 2006 From: dianaosmani at hotmail.com (Diana) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:03:48 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] More info on the author of the article on Albania Message-ID: A. A. Gill >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A. A. (Adrian Anthony) Gill (born June 28, 1954) is a British newspaper columnist and writer. He is also restaurant reviewer in the Style section of the London Sunday Times, and a television critic in the Culture section in the same paper. His reviews are famously short on detail about the food itself. [1] He was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, and studied at the Central Saint Martins College of Art and Design and the Slade School of Art. He has a long-term relationship with Nicola Formby, who appears in his columns as "The Blonde". He was once famously ejected from Gordon Ramsay's restaurant along with his dining partner Joan Collins. Ramsay's reason was that Gill had written a review of his restaurant that covered his personal life more than the food. Quotes Gill is notorious for his acerbic, provocative style, on one occasion in 1997 damaging his career by describing the Welsh as: "loquacious dissemblers, immoral liars, stunted, bigoted, dark, ugly, pugnacious little trolls," While two years later he angered Germans with an article called "Hunforgiven" [2], making numerous references to their Nazi past. In 2004, when writing about the ITV drama Island at War, based on the German occupation of Jersey and Guernsey, he asked: "What have the Channel Islands ever done for us? A couple of really expensive potatoes, a few flowers and fatty milk." His comments were widely condemned in the islands as offensive and inaccurate [3]. On being mistaken for an Englishman he stated: I don't like the English. One at a time, I don't mind them. I've loved some of them. It's their collective persona I can't warm to: the lumpen and louty, coarse, unsubtle, beady-eyed, beefy-bummed herd of England. The truth is - and perhaps this is a little unworthy, a bit shameful - I find England and the English embarrassing. Fundamentally toe-curlingly embarrassing. And even though I look like one, sound like one, can imitate the social/mating behaviour of one, I'm not one. I always bridle with irritation when taken for an Englishman, and fill in those disembarkation cards by pedantically writing "Scots" in the appropriate box (The Angry Island). Many of his articles can be found on the travel writing and hotel revewing website he founded in 2000, http://www.travelintelligence.net - see http://www.travelintelligence.net/php/writers/writ.php?id=22 Keep in mind that the guy does not do research and pulls information out of nowhere and most of the time is off base. Quoting his unresearched work would be a huge mistake. From his writings one could see how unhappy he is and that reflects negatively on his persona. Bibliography Sap Rising (1997) Ivy Cookbook (1999) co-author Starcrossed (1999) AA Gill is Away (2003) collection of travel writing. ISBN 0753816814 The Angry Island (2005) a book about England and the English. ISBN 0297843184 Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._A._Gill " -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From vanchristo at frosina.org Mon Jul 24 13:34:17 2006 From: vanchristo at frosina.org (vanchristo at frosina.org) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 13:34:17 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: outrageous article on Albania Message-ID: <36233b82d5344d20ad82aa4e2ea30283@frosina.org> Where is the Letter to the Editor so I can post it under the spurious article about Albania in The Frosina Forum. Please advise. Thanks. Te fala, Van Christo ---------------------------------------- From: KL3V1S Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 11:28 AM To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum \(New York City, USA\)" Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Fwd: outrageous article on Albania I read that article. I simply thought that the idiot who wrote it was working for one of these Serb-propaganda fronts, so I didn't bother giving it a second thought. Your letter to the editor was right on the money though, I really hope they publish it. Someone needs to shoot this "gill" retard in the face. ---------------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Jul 25 08:49:21 2006 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:49:21 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] the times In-Reply-To: Message-ID: here is my response to the article, and i'm including the article itself below that... Re: "The Land That Time Forgot" I'm saddened and disgusted by your publication of this casual and comprehensive slander of Albania and Albanians. As an American of Albanian and Montenegrin descent, I am no supporter of speech-codes or laws restricting free speech but I also can't support inflammatory bigotry and hateful lies. This article would not pass muster in most American newspapers for it's total lack of substantiation, not even our pugnacious New York Post has ever published anything so boldly deceptive and racist. The author's assertions are so numerous and so ignorant that I can't be bothered to rebut them all at this time, however I must monitor your reader-feedback to see if the lies your paper so readily published are gaining purchase with your readership. I am also amazed that an author with what appears to be an extensive history of racist propaganda in general should be on your payroll. It raises troubling questions about your credibility overall. Shame on all of you...I would hope that your editors would rebuke this writer and his scandalous prejudice without the need for the authoritarian hammer of British laws regarding libel. Sincerely, Jeton Ademaj NYC, USA ***************************** The Sunday Times July 23, 2006 Feature The land that time forgot AA Gill It was a communist state for nearly half a a century. Now it has organised crime and the worst-dressed teenagers in Europe. Will the world ever take Albania seriously? In the unlikely event of your ever needing to know, Tirana?s international airport is called Mother Teresa. It is grimly typical that the Albanians named their runway to the world after a woman who devoted herself to helping people die; and after a Catholic from a country that?s 70% Muslim. Mother Teresa is the only internationally famous Albanian; all the rest are infamous. As you walk across the tarmac, you might notice a couple of planes from Albatros Airways ? there is, again, an Albanian inevitability in naming your planes after the only bird that is an international synonym for bad luck, and which doesn?t fly anywhere near the Adriatic anyway. Any sentence with Albania in it is likely to get a laugh. Albania is funny. It?s a punchline, a Gilbert and Sullivan country, a Ruritania of brigands and vendettas and pantomime royalty. It is a tragic place. But just at the point in the story where you should be sobbing, you can barely restrain the sniggers. After all, Albania?s favourite comedian is Norman Wisdom, and that?s the place all over. It?s funny because it?s not funny. The capital, Tirana, is a rare place, blessed with both fascist and communist architecture. The competing totalitarian buildings strut cheek by cheek down the potholed roads, like an authoritarian tango in marble and concrete. The Italians, who had the most sympathetic fascist architecture, built the futuristically classical university art school and government buildings, while the communists made the thudding celebrations of workers? triumph and the grim warrens of piss-stained grey boxes for housing the triumphant workers in. Parts of Tirana look like small southern Italian industrial towns, tree-dappled, lots of cafes, while other bits look like Gaza, ripped up and smashed stretches of urban exhaustion and collapse. But none of that is what you notice first. The thing that catches your eye and holds it in a sticky grasp, like a child with a humbug, is the colour. The grim apartments and public housing projects have been painted with broad swathes of livid decoration. They look like a giant installation of West Indian scatter cushions. The multicoloured building was the very, very bright idea of Tirana?s mayor. A man who the locals seem to think is suicidal and inspired in equal measure. When Albania?s peculiar version of hermetic communism finally collapsed, in 1992, the new man said that, though there was no money to change anything, seeing as they?d been living in monotone grindstone misery for 50 years, they might brighten the place up with a lick of paint. Apparently, they got a job lot of all the colours Homebase couldn?t sell in Cheshire and sploshed away. The result is both inspired and ridiculous, and very Albanian. Like a clown?s make-up, it draws attention to the crumbling, gritty face underneath. In the span of one long lifetime, Albania has been dealt a full house of political, social and economic experiments. It started the 20th century as a subservient state of the Ottoman empire, then it became a playground for every Balkan and Adriatic neighbour. At one time or another, Albania had seven competing armies trying to grab lumps of it. Briefly it was an imposed German monarchy, then an ineffective Austrian protectorate. In 1913 the Treaty of London drew its borders to suit the conflicting demands of Serbia, Greece, Italy, Austria and Russia, which left over half of all Albanians living outside their own country, principally in Kosovo. At the Treaty of Versailles, the Albanian throne was absurdly offered to C B Fry, an English cricketer who was supposed to be such a paragon of masculinity that he was photographed naked and flexing at Oxford, and ended up running a naval prep school of exemplary cruelty with a dykey, sadistic wife. And then they got King Zog. You really couldn?t make up Albania?s history. Zog was Europe?s last self-made monarch, and a man who made Charlie Chaplin look serious. He favoured light operetta, white hussars? uniforms and waxed moustaches, and cut a mean tango; he encouraged the Italians to come and build things like roads and cafes. The bad news was, the Italians were Mussolini, so Zog had to make a dash for it and ruled in the Palm Court at the Ritz. Then the Italians lost the war and the partisans took over; which might have been a good thing, except they turned out to be run by Enver Hoxha, the weirdest of all cold-war communist dictators, a man of stern cruelty and fathomless paranoia, who decided that the only two allies he could trust should be at the opposite ends of the world. Albania?s only mates were China and Cuba, and it became proudly the only Maoist state in Europe. Finally, long after everyone else had got a credit card and a mobile phone, Hoxha got cancer and died, and his unique chronic communism died with him. So Albania was welcomed out of the cold into the warm embrace of the free market. That should have been the good news, but of course it wasn?t. There?s a park in the centre of Tirana that was built by the workers for themselves. They dug a great lake, built an amphitheatre, made a little zoo with a mad bear. You get in by walking through a homeless incontinent?s toilet, past the busts of madly furrowed Albanian heroes and the small, neat British war cemetery. In shady meadows, men cut grass for hay and young men sit on tree stumps staring at nothing. Around the lake, men fish without anticipation; behind them, other men squat and watch. Fishermen-stalking is a feature of former communist countries. As a displacement activity, it?s about as complete a waste of a day as you can come up with. Old men sit in the sun and play dominoes. Their peanut-butter-tanned bodies are wrinkled and polished like old brogues. They sit on cardboard boxes in those distressingly skimpy second scrotums that the communist world still clings to as attractive swimwear; they grin through bomb-damaged teeth. These are the flotsam and detritus of the train wreck of a command economy, their jobs and pensions just another cracking Albanian joke. A man who was once a history professor looks out across the water at the speculative illegal palaces being built in the people?s park and tells me how the good news of capitalism came to Albania. ?We didn?t know anything about markets or money. Suddenly it was all new, all opportunity, all confusion. And then there comes pyramid scheme. You?ve heard of this ?pyramid?? We put money in. They give you back many times more. You put that money back and much more comes. It was brilliant, this capitalism. Magic. Everyone did it. Maybe 70-80% of the country. People gave up their work to live on marvellous pyramid money. This was best two years of Albania?s life. Drink and food and laughing; everyone is happy. Everyone has cash and hope.? He stops and looks at the fishermen. ?But it?s fraud. Everyone loses everything, not just their savings but their homes and farms, and they borrow and there?s no state to help. We have less than nothing; I lose my savings and my job. I don?t understand. ?You laugh. We were fools, yes, but what do we know of capitalism? It was a fairy story. And when it?s gone, people kill themselves, go mad, fight, scream and cry and want revenge. You understand Albanians have very, very? ? (he searches for the words) ?? strong emotion.? Albania was a nation of dupes waiting to be taken and they didn?t take it well. Everything you understand or think you know about Albania and Albanians needs to be seen in relation to how they got the way they are. After the pyramid scam, Albania sold the only thing it had left: its people. They handed out passports and waited. There are 4m Albanian citizens in the world ? fewer than there are Scots. Three million of them live at home, the fourth quarter work abroad, and what they do is mostly illegal. Albania is the hub of the European sex trade, smuggling and pimping girls from Moldova and the Ukraine into the West. It?s said they also run most of the illegal arms trade, the cheapest Kalashnikovs you can buy. They?re the Asda of mayhem. After years of being bullied, invaded, ripped off and lied to, the Albanians have grown very good at being frightening. They?re not subtle, they don?t deal in proportionate responses, controlled aggression or veiled threats. Albanians, I?m told, have taken over the crime in Milan ? exporting organised crime to Italy beats selling fridges to Eskimos or sand to Arabs. In the centre of Tirana there?s an area known as the Block. Under Hoxha this was the closed, salubrious preserve of party members, patrolled by soldiers, forbidden to all ordinary Albanians. Now it?s grown into the all-night trendy reserve of the young: cafes, bars and clubs have sprouted back to back along the crowded streets. In parts it looks like sunny-holiday Europe, but then you turn a corner into grim, hunkered, crumbling commie squalor, with kids kicking balls and toothless ancients sitting like lonely loonies on benches, staring at the angry graffiti. The number and proportion of young people in Tirana is a shock, compared with northern Europe. This is a young person?s country; they have large families here who all continue to live at home, so they need to get out. The cafes on the Block are thick with teenagers, collectively called ?students?, though this is a title rather than a vocation ? there?s precious little work for them to study for. The streets are a slow crawl of large cars: BMWs, Porsche Cayennes, blacked-out Range Rovers, Humvees and the ubiquitous tribe of Benzes ? all stolen, of course, from Germany and Italy. The young lounge and practise their impenetrably tough looks; the boys play-fight. The difference between these kids and their neighbours in Italy and Greece is how they look. With effortless ?lan, Albanian students are without peer the worst-dressed kids in the western world. They are obsessed with labels and designers, but all they can afford are the chronically laughable rip-offs and fakes in the markets. Shops here are full of absurdly repellent, tatty clobber with oversized logos stencilled on, and the kids wear this stuff with a flashy insouciance, all looking like characters in search of a comic-sketch show. Albanians are naturally quite modest people. You still see old women in peasant headdresses and men wearing traditional white fezzes, but the youth are desperate to be European, and that means sexy. There are girls with bad peroxide jobs, and minute skirts, and tits-out-for-the-boys tops. They play at being gangster bitches, but it all looks much more like a drama-school production of Guys and Dolls. The men have a strange ? and, it must be said, deeply unattractive ? habit of rolling up their T-shirts so that they look like bikini tops. The Albanians are short and ferret-faced, with the unisex stumpy, slightly bowed legs of shetland ponies. My favourite fashion moment was a middle-aged man with a Village People moustache and a Hobbit?s swagger in a T-shirt that declared in huge letters: Big Balls. Albanian is one of those languages that have no known relative, just an extra half a dozen letters. They say it?s impossible to learn after the age of two. They say it with very thick accents. The fact that nobody else can speak it makes it a ready-made code for criminals, but in a typically unintentional way it?s also pathetically, phonetically funny. The word for ?for sale?, for instance, is shitet; carp, the national fish, is krap. I went to a tiny basement bar that specialised in death-metal music. This, finally, is a look that even Albanians can get right. I found a seat next to the drummer?s mother, a beamingly proud peasant woman watching her son epileptically thrash our eardrums with his group Clockwork Psycho Sodomy Gore. Groovy Tirana troops into a nightclub with a self-conscious bravado and sips cocktails politely, while the naffest barman in the free world goes through his Tom Cruise bottle-juggling routine, shaking pass? drinks and presenting the bill stuffed into the top of his stonewashed hipsters to groups of giggling top-heavy girls. All this imitation, this desperate wannabe youth culture, is being paid for by cash sent home from abroad. Albania?s economy runs courtesy of Western Union and wads of red-light cash stuffed under the seats of hot-wired Audis. Much of it is criminal, but there is also a lot that is the bitter fruit of lonely, uncertain, menial jobs in rich Europe done by invisibly despised immigrants on the black economy. However it?s gleaned, this is the hardest-earned money in Europe. I was constantly told to be careful of pickpockets and muggers in rough areas. Over the years, I?ve developed a bat-eared coward?s sixth sense for the merest whisper of trouble, but Tirana felt like a very safe place playing tough. There is very little drunkenness on the street, though they drink copiously. The only drugs seem to be a bit of home-grown grass and, given that this is the vice-export capital of the West, there were no lap-dancing clubs or pornography shops. You can?t even find a prostitute on the street in Tirana. It?s like trying to find lobsters in Scotland: they?ve all gone for export. Albania has by far and away the worst traffic record of any western country, and no Albanian would conceivably wear a seatbelt, considering it the first symptom of passive homosexuality. Driving north out of Tirana along the pitted roads, you see an insatiable orgy of construction with barely a nod to need, purpose or planning permission. The outskirts are being covered in country bars and restaurants without customers, and capacious country houses without sewerage, water, electricity or inhabitants. The biggest single industry in Albania is money-laundering, and construction is the easiest and quickest way to turn vice into virtue. There are thousands of buildings without roofs or windows flying an ironic Albanian flag, which, appropriately, is the double-headed eagle looking both ways at once. The mountains are a landscape of terraces and forests sparsely populated by peasants who still cut hay with scythes, where men turn rotated strips with wooden ploughs behind bony mares as their wives sow seeds from baskets, looking like the posters for a Bertolt Brecht revival. Tiny villages lurk in high valleys; extended families live on the first floor of stone-and-mud-plaster houses. On the ground floor live the cattle and plough horses. Vines climb the walls; chickens and infants scratch in the dirt; dogs are chained in wicker kennels; hens nest under the sweet hayricks; women bake bread in wood ovens. We?re given a lunch of grilled lamb, fizzing sheep?s cheese, tomatoes and cherries fresh from the tree. The fields all around are choked with wild flowers; songbirds and turtledoves clamour for attention; tortoises shuffle in the stubble; donkeys moan operatically to each other. It is as close as any of us will get to seeing what life across Europe was like in the 16th century, but living a 16th-century life in the 21st century is not a smart option. Even 16th-century people know that. So the country is emptying, and the peasants trudge to the city to try and lay their hands on a little second-hand vice money. All across Albania there are decrepit concrete bunkers, thick beehive constructions that smell of mould and foxes. They run in little redoubts up hills, along coverts and through gardens. There are millions of them. Hoxha started building bunkers at the end of the war, and they became a lifelong paranoid obsession that cost a hubristic amount of Albania?s wealth. The bunkers follow no coherent battle plan. There would never have been enough soldiers to man them; they are simply the solid pustules of mistrust and fear. Albania has always been surrounded by enemies, but it has also been divided against itself. There is no trust in this landscape: it is the place of vendetta and vengeance. There are still families here where the fearful men never leave their windowless homes, where male babies are born to die. The rules of being ?in blood? were laid down in the 15th century in the Canon of Lek?, an ancient murderer?s handbook. That is one of the reasons Albanians are so good at organised crime. The distinctions of religion are nothing compared with the ancient honour of families; everything is secondary to family honour and to making money. Everything is excusable to sustain those. There is also a divide between north and south Albania. The north is called Gheg, the south Tosk. Gheg is tough, uncouth, aggressive; the south, educated, civilised, Italianate. It?s a bit like England. On the Adriatic coast, in Durres, which was once a seaside capital, the beach is a muddy grey, a coarse sand of cigarette ends, bottle tops and those blue plastic bags that are the world?s tumbleweed. The smelly, tideless Adriatic limply washes nameless slurry onto the shore, and children build sand villas while their parents roast. Albanians have surprisingly fair skins and they cook to a lovely livid puce. A man calls me over. He?s angry. ?American?? No, English. ?Tell them, tell Europe, we don?t have tails. You see, we are not apes. We?re not another species. Durres is going to be the new Croatia.? There?s a thought. ?Norman Wisdom ? what do you think of him?? I asked. ?He?s very ?90s. Now top best comic is definitely Mr Bean.? Sitting in Tirana?s main square, where the moneychangers stand in the shade with their wads, and men sell dodgy mobile phones and repair petrol lighters, I watch the Albanians come and go, and there?s something odd. It takes me an hour to work out what it is ? hardly anyone wears a watch. Well, why would they? They haven?t got anywhere to be. Copyright 2006 Times Newspapers Ltd. From besnik at alb-net.com Tue Jul 25 09:56:39 2006 From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:56:39 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: [Akademia_shqiptare_UK] Sunday Times Article Discrediting Albania and Albanians References: <00ee01c6afed$b742dc00$0201a8c0@CLEA> Message-ID: <5A475F5E-6C69-4EBC-B72C-7C685E12482A@alb-net.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Ralf Gjoni" > Date: July 25, 2006 3:24:50 PM GMT+02:00 > To: > Cc: "'violeta hamidi'" > Subject: RE: [Akademia_shqiptare_UK] Sunday Times Article > Discrediting Albania and Albanians > > E dashur Blerina, > > > > Une sot kam qene gjithe mengjesin ne telefon me editorin. > > Atje ka dy editore dhe ai qe te kane dhene nuk eshte emri i duhur: > > > > Sunday Times Magazine Editor > > Robin Morgan > > Robin.morgan at sunday-times.co.uk > > > > Sunday Times Editor > > John Witherow > > John.witherow at sunday-times.co.uk > > > > Gjithashtu ju lutem te dergoni secili prej jush mesazhe indinjate > me email dhe me poste tek adresa e meposhtme: > > > > John Witherow > > Sunday Times Editor > > > > 1 Pennington Street > > London > > E98 1ST > > United Kingdom > > > > Ju lutem te menjanoni gjuhen e nervave dhe kercenime sic kane > derguar disa individe te caktuar. 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Klevis --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Jul 27 14:57:33 2006 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:57:33 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] FW: Reply from The Editor, The Sunday Times Magazine Message-ID: Below is a copy of the email i received twice from the The Sunday Times Magazine, probably for sending my own email to 2 seperate addresses. I assume anyone else who wrote them will have recieved the same response...from who exactly, I'm not sure. The email address reads "Charlotte Hunt-Grubbe" but the email is signed "Robin Morgan". I'll be reading it this Sunday, and I'll be looking for some editor's note disclaiming the various morphological slanders peppered into the article for inflammatory effect. I want to see how they square the circle of "irreverant journalism" versus racist slander... J >From: "Hunt-Grubbe, Charlotte" >To: "Jeton Ademaj" >Subject: Reply from The Editor, The Sunday Times Magazine >Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:16:32 +0100 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from bay0-mc4-f4.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.244.108]) by >bay0-imc2-s7.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, >27 Jul 2006 09:17:21 -0700 >Received: from intmail1.newsint.co.uk ([143.252.81.2]) by >bay0-mc4-f4.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Thu, 27 >Jul 2006 09:17:15 -0700 >Received: (qmail 17734 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 16:17:13 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO NIEXGATEWAY02.ni.ad.newsint) (10.194.35.72) >by intmail1.newsint.co.uk with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 16:17:13 -0000 >Received: from NIEXMAIL03.ni.ad.newsint ([10.194.35.82]) by >NIEXGATEWAY02.ni.ad.newsint with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 27 >Jul 2006 17:16:32 +0100 >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt2RVB3zkUdT99budUJt9vAqA11RkhjX7aA= >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.2663 >Priority: normal >Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message >X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Reply from The Editor, >The Sunday Times Magazine >thread-index: Acav6XwO2R0kLTEcT5KEV2Ax2xpkJABrncMw >Return-Path: >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 16:16:32.0641 (UTC) >FILETIME=[065AFF10:01C6B198] > >Thank you for your correspondence in reply to AA Gill's article on his >visit to Albania, which appeared in The Sunday Times Magazine on 23 July. >Yours was not the only response and we will be publishing a representative >sample of readers' letters in the newspaper this Sunday. In the meantime >let me put the article in context. > > > >The author AA Gill is widely recognised for his brand of provocative >journalism and irreverent humour which he applies to a wide range of >subjects; as a critic and as a commentator. He writes fearlessly >impressionistic articles and although most readers recognise and are >entertained by his perspective it can and does cause occasional offence to >some who may not be familiar with his tone. > > > >I can assure you that Albanians are not alone. Recently he wrote scathingly >about the English: "I don't like the English; the lumpen and louty, coarse, >unsubtle, beady-eyed, beefy-bummed herd. I find England and the English >embarrassing." We published that too. > > > >It wasn't the worst - he went on to describe the English in much more >disparaging terms and you can imagine some people were not amused. But most >were. Our readers understand in the British, a trait for critical and >self-deprecating humour and enjoy it enormously. It is a part of the >British identity that Gill himself summed up as "Most people share a joke, >the English aim them. The English constantly use their humour as an >indiscriminate bludgeon. The English teeter on the edge of not being able >to take anything seriously; the ability to be solemn, appropriate, >reflective. I do it myself." > > > >It is in this spirit that Gill visited and wrote about Albania, as he has, >in the past written about Wales, Germany, Scotland and other countries. >What most of our readers regard as broad-brushstroke British wit some see >as offensive - it is not intended as offence or indictment. Our readers are >far too sensible to assume one man's view is either the truth or the >reality and the reaction of the large majority is to feel encouraged to >find out for themselves. It provokes awareness, investigation and >appreciation. > > > >Naturally, one cannot visit a country and write about it and not address >its image or stereotypes. And since you raised concerns about Gill's >references to Albania's image abroad let me put that in context too. >Albania's emerging democracy and economy requires tourism. Last year 16,000 >British tourists visited Albania. More will do so this year with British >Airways launching scheduled flights from London and the hotel >infrastructure growing. Albania's government seeks to encourage this >growth. > > > >In writing about Albania it is impossible for any writer to ignore the >facts - and those facts, sadly, include many negatives of which Albania and >its citizens and nationals working abroad, must be too well aware and it is >not this newspaper's practise to ignore unpalatable truths. Albania is >"Europe's poorest country and faces a daunting range of challenges" says >the British Department for International Development which has distributed >over ?35million in overseas aid to the country. > > > >Those challenges include corruption at all levels, crime, gun and drug >smuggling, the trafficking of immigrants, 'sex slaves' and children. None >of these are Gill's assumptions but the result of investigation and >research by internationally recognised bodies including concerned Albanian >citizens. > > > >Unicef says "trafficking, forced labour and commercial sexual exploitation >are daily perils...." Amnesty International reports that 40% of Albanian >women are subjected to domestic violence and no specific legislation exists >to protect them. The British Foreign Office advises against travel to many >areas of Albania because of widespread gun ownership and crime. The US >State Dept advises travellers to Albania "organised criminal gangs operate >in all regions and corruption is pervasive. In most cases police assistance >or protection is limited. It lists carjacking, gun crime, serious assault >as serious enough to advise travellers to exercise extreme caution. > > > >A senior Albanian academic who worked in government in Tirana has >researched and referenced "the political class in Albania is generally of >low quality and often involved in corruption and crime". The Centre For >European Migration and Ethnic Studies has reported "the Albanian Mafia is >considered the most powerful [criminal] organisation operating in Italy and >that Albanians were responsible for all heroin smuggling into Switzerland >and for drug trafficking into Austria, Germany, Hungary, Poland and >Belgium. > > > >Even Mjaft, an Albanian organisation that seeks to promote and foster >international appreciation of the country, listed the following information >on its website; 9,000 Albanian children trafficked for prostitution (Save >The Children, 2001); 250,000 weapons in circulation (UN 2003). > > > >That Albania is working with the international community to change this >climate and the perceptions it enforces does not negate the very serious >issues that confront the country and those that would seek to use it as a >hub for international crime, money laundering, people smuggling. > > > >In this climate it is understandable that hard-working, educated, >God-fearing and responsible Albanians are acutely sensitive to any >criticism of their country and fear being stigmatised and stereotyped. I >can only apologise if you are one of those who felt that The Sunday Times >Magazine was attempting to discredit a nation. It was not. > > > >Perhaps attempting to contextualise and illustrate a country and the >challenges it faces while emerging from decades of oppression, by employing >a writer renowned for his acerbic wit and his observations, is a useful >step in increasing international appreciation of Albania's problems. > > > > > >Yours sincerely > > > > > > > > > > >Robin Morgan > >Editor > >The Sunday Times Magazine > >The Newspaper Marketing Agency: Opening Up Newspapers: > >www.nmauk.co.uk > >This e-mail and all attachments are confidential and may be privileged. If >you have received this e-mail in error, notify the sender immediately. Do >not use, disseminate, store or copy it in any way. Statements or opinions >in this e-mail or any attachment are those of the author and are not >necessarily agreed or authorised by News International (NI). NI Group may >monitor emails sent or received for operational or business reasons as >permitted by law. NI Group accepts no liability for viruses introduced by >this e-mail or attachments. You should employ virus checking software. News >International Limited, 1 Virginia St, London E98 1XY, is the holding >company for the News International group and is registered in England No >81701 From mgjonbalaj at aol.com Fri Jul 28 12:27:28 2006 From: mgjonbalaj at aol.com (mgjonbalaj at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:27:28 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Watch This In-Reply-To: <4f9.39c2f80.31f66b5f@aol.com> References: <4f9.39c2f80.31f66b5f@aol.com> Message-ID: <8C88079DA71045F-298-267@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Thought this was an interesting exchange on AlJazeera that I should share with this list. Mark > Here is a powerful and amazing statement made on Al Jazeera television. > The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los > Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how > long the link will be active. (put this site in your address bar) > http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From dea2608 at aol.com Fri Jul 28 19:45:03 2006 From: dea2608 at aol.com (dea2608 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:45:03 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Watch This In-Reply-To: <8C88079DA71045F-298-267@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> References: <4f9.39c2f80.31f66b5f@aol.com> <8C88079DA71045F-298-267@FWM-D39.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8C880B6FB34B43F-131C-109E@FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> What a big difference there is between the Albanian Muslims and the Middle Eastern ones.... Dea -----Original Message----- From: mgjonbalaj at aol.com To: nyc-l at alb-net.com Sent: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:27 PM Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Watch This === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === Thought this was an interesting exchange on AlJazeera that I should share with this list. Mark > Here is a powerful and amazing statement made on Al Jazeera television. > The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist from Los > Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because I don't know how > long the link will be active. (put this site in your address bar) > http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ____________________________________________________ NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. 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(put this site in > your address bar) > > > > http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. > Always Free. > -------------- next part -------------- > HTML attachment scrubbed and removed > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 19:45:03 -0400 > From: dea2608 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Fwd: Watch This > To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > Message-ID: > <8C880B6FB34B43F-131C-109E at FWM-D43.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > What a big difference there is between the Albanian > Muslims and the Middle Eastern ones.... > > Dea > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mgjonbalaj at aol.com > To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > Sent: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 12:27 PM > Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Watch This > > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum > === > > > > Thought this was an interesting exchange on > AlJazeera that I should share with this list. > > Mark > > > > > Here is a powerful and amazing statement made on > Al Jazeera television. > > The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American > psychologist from Los > > Angeles. I would suggest watching it ASAP because > I don't know how > > long the link will be active. (put this site in > your address bar) > > > > http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null > > > > > > > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. > Always Free. > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video > search, pictures, email and IM. 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