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List: NYC-L[NYC-L] "Who's calling?"Jeton Ademaj jeton at hotmail.comSun Mar 21 01:28:33 EST 2004
Aferdite >>>>>>>Do you know what I think is sad? Hypocrites! I dont understand why >>>>>>>you go on and on criticizing Albanians on growing up (adulthood call >>>>>>>as you say) when you, yourself, use the f... word every other >>>>>>>sentence????? I would suggest on broadening your vocabulary skills. >>>>>>>Please dont take this the wrong way, just some advice from a fellow >>>>>>>Albanian.<<<<< I speak freely, and abjure all linguistic provincialisms. No principal is going to whack my knuckles or approach my mouth with a bar of soap, I have no constituents to vote me out of office and NO I havent heard all that much off this list for me to particularly regret my language if I get booted off. Youd do better declaring that you were personally offended by the use of slang references clearly derived from slang speech. (eg. fukn in place of fucking, (adj/adverb of Fuck) an ancient English obscenity, itself both noun (as an action/transaction) and verb (to penetrate (phallicly?), commonly used for modifying emphasis in spoken English, controversial in dominant cultural context) . I do not begrudge you your intellectual posture but your larger response is evasive. >>>>>>Although I agree with many of you statements, I believe that you are >>>>>>complaining too much about all the problems and you seem not to >>>>>>suggest any solutions. Please do not misunderstand me, but if you >>>>>>attend to critique others, try to give some concrete suggestions on >>>>>>improvement.<<<<< Im sorry but that is trite reasoning. You agree with what Im saying but Im saying it too much? (as rarely as I post anything?) Im not offering solutions?? Honestly, your post calling for a mass response to a nytimes article was particularly counterproductive you simply dont seem slick enough linguisticly or logically to be anything other than counterproductive writing to mass media. In fact, no one who takes a purely Albanian-defensive position can be credible in mass media at this point. So, Concrete Suggestion #1: speak/write credibly. For instance, PRECISELY what was biased about the nytimes article, and what bias exactly? Give me quotes, context and some talking points , hell if you convince me Ill swarm on them (and their new Public Editor) as well. Concrete Suggestion #2 : When your friends or relatives brag or gloat that this or that Serbian village got burned down, remind them that the war is over unless we as Albanians are dumb enough to slide down to the level of Milosevic. Early on some fools believed theyd somehow get Mitrovice/Trepce back if they ethnically cleansed the rest of Kosove. Well, let me remind you in stark terms what that does to Albanian credibility: it makes us Nazis. Fuck Godwins law, it makes us hi-tech low budget Nazis. And in case anyone failed to notice, the originals were a lot stronger and they got their asses smashed. That kinda shit is a fast-growing weed, no reason to deny the flower just because it hasnt bloomed, the bud is now visible to observers. #3: If you happen to agree with ANY of my points let other Albanians know them, claim them as your own as you please dont just sit there telling Albanians what they want to hear. And encourage others to speak freely and as civilly as you can convince them to! >>>>>>In addition, you seem to be completely pessimist on the future of the >>>>>>Kosovar youth, how can the youth ever progress when they have no >>>>>>encouragement from the leadership in Kosova. I hate to say it but >>>>>>Individuals, such as you, are not helping the situation by riding on >>>>>>adrenaline like angry children. If you are not happy with the way >>>>>>the youth is reacting to the situation, then try to change it. This >>>>>>can be done with calmness and understanding.<<<<<< No youre twisting my words, please read more carefully. Im a realist, and have always had high hopes for Kosovars, and Illyria generally. Having so many young Albs means we can seize the future, were not burdened with large cadres of older professionals determined to do things the old fashioned way. Albs can evolve and grow rapidly, across all economic, political and cultural avenues. We have a culture that values intellect and inventiveness and entrepreneurial spirit. huge numbers of youth who want to own and master all the latest gadgets, and make real the good-life. Hell we also had a tremendous respect for our own laws and kanun thats why eroding our own civility enrages me. The people doing this need prodding from every angle to encourage their own critical thinking, so that Albanians can at least develop and encourage better leaders. The mystery is gone, we know Alb leadership will always be under severe pressure from within and without, and its a dead excuse a dead excuse for egomaniacs and mafiosos and cowards and traitors and "traitors" and of course the mediocre. Re: older/wiser Albanians, I SAID TOO MANY WERE RIDING THE ADRENALINE OF ANGRY YOUTH. Im riding my own prodigious adrenaline, thank you very much. Ive seen/heard plenty of older Albanians who should know better actively encouraging youngsters to clean out the Serbs, to get into fights, to think criminally -- ooofah a whole juvenile-delinquent menu! The impression is of older Albs using the blood of their youngsters and of mostly innocent minoritiesusing that blood as a sort of psychotherapeutic tonic. At least they can do what I always wanted to arrested development indeed. Some are convinced that America is somehow locked into backing the Albs no matter what. Empires have neither friends nor foes, only interestsif the American Empire loses interest in us rest assured the Slavic Empire still sees us as tasty-licious. And the only other deal, the Islamic Empire, wont be pulling off any strategic holds on European soil for a few decades yet kids, and only then amidst general détente (or Kosova and Bosnia would make a good strategic no mans land guarding Europe against encroachment, in the event the EU or Russia took it upon themselves to nuke the South East Balkans to keep the Caliphate out). And of course the whole Albania/China thingy is sooooo totally over.....like rilly, fer sher. >>>>>>>>As far as your statement in which said, if any of you would like to >>>>>>>>confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, >>>>>>>>maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant >>>>>>>>child." Well, lets see all I can say is something my granduncle >>>>>>>>use to say to me, which is if a child does not cry, the parent will >>>>>>>>not know what the matter is. In other words, if you do not express >>>>>>>>yourself then how will the international community know the facts? >>>>>>>>I do believe that getting the facts straight from both sides can at >>>>>>>>least allow people to judge the situation more accurately. I do not >>>>>>>>see this in any way as acting like a child. However, I think that >>>>>>>>if we do not raise our voices, then the situation will lead to >>>>>>>>incorrect assumptions and escalating consequences. Especially, when >>>>>>>>the NYtimes or any other credible media is spreading propaganda, we >>>>>>>>are obligated as Albanians to try to get the truth out.<<<<<<<<< I agree with your latter point, it is perfectly valid to demand unbiased coverage, diversity of sources and a declaration of epistemology (demanding that the journalist always specify whats hearsay, whats his opinion, what he personally witnessed and what hes actually discovered, and what methods were used to get such information.) As for the 1st part of that paragraph, please understand Im not trying to keep you from demanding accountability from the nytimes or anybody else, but I admit that your initial email came on a day when Ive already argued with several people about this topic, and then the following emails were even more enflaming. Youre correct in assuming I was addressing you as well as Ylli (like 20/80), but in anybodys case its critical that anybody reaching out to credible media speak CREDIBLY, not just civilly. If you get a hold of them and sound like a very polite liar or polite knee-jerk apologist or both, theyre subsequent coverage will reflect that, too. >>>>>I tried to be as short and concise as I could. Best regards, Aferdita H.<<<<< And I tried to be polite and honest. Neither of us is perfect :) tung J _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/
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