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List: NYC-L[NYC-L] Adulthood CallingAferdita Hakaj ditaaa at yahoo.comSat Mar 20 23:06:33 EST 2004
Mr. Ademaj, Do you know what I think is sad? Hypocrites! I dont understand why you go on and on criticizing Albanians on growing up (adulthood call as you say) when you, yourself, use the f... word every other sentence????? I would suggest on broadening your vocabulary skills. Please dont take this the wrong way, just some advice from a fellow Albanian. Although I agree with many of you statements, I believe that you are complaining too much about all the problems and you seem not to suggest any solutions. Please do not misunderstand me, but if you attend to critique others, try to give some concrete suggestions on improvement. In addition, you seem to be completely pessimist on the future of the Kosovar youth, how can the youth ever progress when they have no encouragement from the leadership in Kosova. I hate to say it but Individuals, such as you, are not helping the situation by riding on adrenaline like angry children. If you are not happy with the way the youth is reacting to the situation, then try to change it. This can be done with calmness and understanding. As far as your statement in which said, if any of you would like to confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant child." Well, lets see all I can say is something my granduncle use to say to me, which is if a child does not cry, the parent will not know what the matter is. In other words, if you do not express yourself then how will the international community know the facts? I do believe that getting the facts straight from both sides can at least allow people to judge the situation more accurately. I do not see this in any way as acting like a child. However, I think that if we do not raise our voices, then the situation will lead to incorrect assumptions and escalating consequences. Especially, when the NYtimes or any other credible media is spreading propaganda, we are obligated as Albanians to try to get the truth out. I tried to be as short and concise as I could. Best regards, Aferdita H. P.S. Kritikat jan te mire se ardhura J! Jeton Ademaj <jeton at hotmail.com> wrote: === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === You know what's sad? ITS SAD TO THINK ALBANIANS HAVE BEEN SO BADLY STRUNG ALONG THAT THERE'S STILL A LARGE NUMBER WHO "THINK" THE WAY THAT YOU DO. There can be no excuse for fascism or proto-fascism. Blather all you like with all the defensive, circular reasoning and angry asides and 'he hit me first!" that you can muster, but you are playing into kostunica's (and djindic's and slobo's) hands. Belgrade has ALWAYS coveted Mitrovice and Trepce and everything north of the Ibar, and has ALWAYS been willing to part with the rest! The 'mass evacuation' across the Ibar in 1999 was a Serbian masterstroke, they essentially laid claim to Mitrovice then, and UCK knew it, which is why UCK's commander in Mitrovice still enjoys the ignomy of surrender. Instead of pushing past the French KFOR in june 99 and ensuring the territorial integrity of Kosove, he held back and lost the moment. SO, AFTER HE LOST MITROVICE (at least temporarily), some Albanians got sucked into a strategy of reverse ethinic cleansing. Forget about the potentially (and INCREASINGLY!) catastrophic loss of Albanian credibility, forget briefly about the fact that even the most die-hard Albanian supporters have trouble keeping a straight face when they hear rhetoric like yours, Ylli. Let's take this to the extreme...there are now reports that even US soldiers have been confronted by Albanian mobs... ...TELL ME, IF AND WHEN THE USA IS EVENTUALLY AND SUFFICIENTLY EMBARRASSED ENOUGH TO WITHDRAW IT'S TROOPS AND DISASSEMBLE BONDSTEELE, INTO WHO'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE CAN ALBANIANS DRIFT FOR PROTECTION AGAINST THE SLAVIC SPHERE, HMMM??? TURKEY? PAKISTAN?? AL QAEDA??? Just for laughs, why don't you try telling me ALL about how "Albanians don't need nobody anyways, dammit" ? "ENERGY CORRIDOR 8", TREPCE, CONTROLLING AN ASCENDANT EUROPEAN UNION, EXPANDING THE US SPHERE OF INFLUENCE, BUILDING BRIDGES TO ISLAM USING WHITE EUROPEAN MUSLIMS...NONE OF THOSE FACTORS, TOGETHER OR SEPERATELY, IS ENOUGH TO LOCK THE USA INTO A SUICIDE PACT OF EMBARRASSMENT WITH ALBANIANS...ALL OF THOSE BENEFITS CAN BE REACHED BY OTHER AVENUES. Its utterly disgusting to hear Albanians whine about their feelings, their 'right' to drown old serbian women in bathtubs (one alb schmuk accused of such crimes in summer 99 was actually a schmuck who attended NYC rallies in spring '99, just the kind of idiot who would climb up on police barricades and unzip his pants, telling anti-NATO demonstrators "THITHMA KARIN!!!" -- in front of CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX and every other media venue you can think of!! Until I'd YANK HIM DOWN, that is.) YES, DAMN YOU ALL, THAT'S FUCKING EMBARRASING!!!!!!!!!! and STUPID@!@! and counter-fukn-productive to ALBANIAN INTERESTS!! But noooooooooo, one infantile childlike psychopath after another comes "fixing the Serbian Problem" with torches and molotov-cocktails while the great mass of Albanians either keep mum or blather defensively and *I*N*C*R*E*D*I*B*L*Y*. Does anybody remember CREDIBILITY?? You know, when people BELIEVE what you claim rather than smirk disgustedly at you? Albanians need to shape-the-fuck-up. We need to show responsible HOSPITALITY toward minorities and CONTROL of our own, something we used to be good at by all accounts. Albanians should be so fukn spotless that we can march across the Ibar and reclaim our own homes there, so spotless that KFOR becomes too embarrased to stand in our way, so powerful in our untiy that they think better of it. Instead we have the general freak-show which is the entire Albanian political establishment, from drunk traitors to criminal puppets, to the merely ineffectual... Of course the EU never wanted Kosovar independence. They are INTEGRATING, and fear any form of DISSOLUTION, especially nearby. OF COURSE they were happy to obstruct 'final status' negotiations as long as possible. Every fukn senior player in the '99 war knew that then, which is why it's so extra sad to watch Albanians play into the belgrade/brussels strategem to this day. "Albanians are ethno-fascistically inclined, we cannot allow states based on ETHNIC PURITY" bla bla blahH! We're becoming like the Palestinians, and God help us all if Serbia hasn't been learning the lessons of Israel -- to act all innocent while guiding and riding the wave to where BELGRADE wants it to go. NO, i truly doubt there's much in the way of true organization behind the latest Kosova uprising, the fact that all of Kosova fears the latest round of 'partition' talks and that many have cellphones, pagers and internet access is more than enough to spark the kind of simultaneous disturbances going on. An inter-ethnic incident involving the homicide of children is a perfect spark to ignite this kind of horror, with all that anxiety and the humiliation of living under a hopelessly out-of-touch UNMIK as a background. But if any of you would like to confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant child. I know Kosove is mostly young people demographicly speaking, but too many wiser older Albanians have tried reliving their lost youth riding on the adrenaline of angry children, while the whole train is riding right back into the Serbian station. "GROW UP!" ----pass it on! Jeton Ademaj Bronx, New York >>>>>>> From: krasniqis at att.net Subject: RE: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, USA)" Message-ID: <032020041900.14597.5928 at att.net> Mr. Xharra I do not understand who you are trying to blame. On thing is important to know. What Serbs are capable of doing, no individual with a human hart can. If you dont know, go and do some research. I know that for some individuals, what happened five years ago has been forgotten. But those whove been through that will never forget. It is embarrassing to blame Albanians for burning some bullshit churches that persuade and teach criminals how to kill babies and how to rape women. And it is more embarrassing to support so called minorities who have their hands full of blood and stay there only for trouble. I think, we should blame UN for not keeping its promises, but not those individuals that have become sick and tired without seeing the light. If you havent been to Kosova lately, go and see how Albanians are treated? I assure you dont want that kind of life. Best Ylli. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! 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