From fearff at yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 07:23:23 2004 From: fearff at yahoo.com (angelo williams) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:23:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] saint nicholas orthdox church in jamaica estates Message-ID: <20040306122323.5477.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> to whom it may concern: there's a website now associated with thet Saint Nicholas Albanian Orthdox Church located in Jamaica Estates, N.Y. the address is http://www.saintnicholasalbanian.org peace to ya'll __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From fearff at yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 07:40:39 2004 From: fearff at yahoo.com (angelo williams) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 04:40:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] saint nicholas albanian orthdox church--corrected url Message-ID: <20040306124039.63336.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com> to whom it may concern: there's a website now associated with thet Saint Nicholas Albanian Orthdox Church located in Jamaica Estates, N.Y. correction: actually the url is the address is http://www.stnicholasalbanian.org sorry about that peace to ya'll __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From eb246 at columbia.edu Sat Mar 6 13:54:42 2004 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 10:54:42 -0800 Subject: [NYC-L] saint nicholas orthdox church in jamaica estates In-Reply-To: <20040306122323.5477.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040306122323.5477.qmail@web12301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <404A1E72.9050905@columbia.edu> Pls do not open links from people you don't know. I have gotten Trojans from clicking on links on this list. Try to copy paste or type address. It did that for this one and it did not work. Erkanda angelo williams wrote: > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > >to whom it may concern: > >there's a website now associated with thet Saint >Nicholas Albanian Orthdox Church located in Jamaica >Estates, N.Y. > >the address is http://www.saintnicholasalbanian.org > >peace to ya'll > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster >http://search.yahoo.com >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From adnan.emini at undp.org Sat Mar 6 13:57:23 2004 From: adnan.emini at undp.org (Adnan Emini) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:57:23 +0100 Subject: [NYC-L] UNDP - UNICEF - EU - IPKO - SOROS - KCSF - KCC Invitation Message-ID: <404A1F13.40D4958B@undp.org> Dear Friend, please see attached invitation to participate in finding the proper name of the future web based platforme "Kosova online donation". with best regards Adnan Emini UNDP - Kosov? +377 44 179 896 +381 38 249 066 ext 136 www.ndihmo-kosoven.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Invitation - Ftese.doc Type: application/msword Size: 24576 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/nyc-l/attachments/20040306/ff979bd6/attachment.doc From adnan.emini at undp.org Sat Mar 6 13:49:51 2004 From: adnan.emini at undp.org (Adnan Emini) Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 19:49:51 +0100 Subject: [NYC-L] Invitation and request for help ! Message-ID: <404A1D4F.BFD0B46D@undp.org> Dear friends UNDP Office together with SOROS in Kosova started jointly to set up a platform and logistics here in Kosova through which will flow informaton and donations from all future worldwide network supporting further development of Kosova. Donations will be transfered in 100 % of their value to the end receiver and will be online reports to inform everyone in web about achived resultes, spent budget ect. This type of platforme together will direct support and suppervision in the field is unique. Preparatory activities are at the end stage. 20 online project in final planning phase. Start day will be on the 1st week of May. Since in Prishtina and around are not existing experts in web marketing and branding, we have decided to open a pulbic discussion and invite all web audience to give proposal for the domain name. The forum is placed in the project web site donated by Ergon Gervalla (Isuf Gervalla's son). www.help-kosova.org www.help-kosovo.org www.kosova-aid.org www.kosovo-aid.org www.ndihmo-kosoven.org Since I am not having the desired discussion, I would like to have your support and help. I hope that you will be able to give the right spirit of the discussion and invite your audience to participate and give proposals for domain name. with best regards Adnan Emini UNDP - Kosov? +377 44 179 896 From fearff at yahoo.com Sat Mar 6 20:43:39 2004 From: fearff at yahoo.com (angelo williams) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 17:43:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] saint nicholas orthdox church in jamaica estates In-Reply-To: <404A1E72.9050905@columbia.edu> Message-ID: <20040307014339.81717.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> it did not work since the address is wrong it SHOULD HAVE BEEN www.stnicholasalbanian.org :-) cheers --- Erkanda Bujari wrote: > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum > === > > > Pls do not open links from people you don't know. I > have gotten Trojans > from clicking on links on this list. Try to copy > paste or type address. > It did that for this one and it did not work. > > Erkanda > > angelo williams wrote: > > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum > === > > > >to whom it may concern: > > > >there's a website now associated with thet Saint > >Nicholas Albanian Orthdox Church located in Jamaica > >Estates, N.Y. > > > >the address is http://www.saintnicholasalbanian.org > > > >peace to ya'll > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > >http://search.yahoo.com > >____________________________________________________ > >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > >For more information: > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: > http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you?re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com From oconnorr at washpost.com Mon Mar 8 11:35:04 2004 From: oconnorr at washpost.com (Rita O'Connor) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:35:04 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Invitation and request for help ! Message-ID: Please tell me more about this website. Will it allow Kosovars in the US to send money to their families, or will it be used for people to donate to NGOs working to improve conditions in Kosava. Or maybe something else? adnan.emini at undp. org (Adnan Emini) To: nyc-l-owner at alb-net.com Sent by: cc: nyc-l-bounces at alb Subject: [NYC-L] Invitation and request for help ! -net.com 03/06/2004 01:49 PM Please respond to "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, USA)" === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === Dear friends UNDP Office together with SOROS in Kosova started jointly to set up a platform and logistics here in Kosova through which will flow informaton and donations from all future worldwide network supporting further development of Kosova. Donations will be transfered in 100 % of their value to the end receiver and will be online reports to inform everyone in web about achived resultes, spent budget ect. This type of platforme together will direct support and suppervision in the field is unique. Preparatory activities are at the end stage. 20 online project in final planning phase. Start day will be on the 1st week of May. Since in Prishtina and around are not existing experts in web marketing and branding, we have decided to open a pulbic discussion and invite all web audience to give proposal for the domain name. The forum is placed in the project web site donated by Ergon Gervalla (Isuf Gervalla's son). www.help-kosova.org www.help-kosovo.org www.kosova-aid.org www.kosovo-aid.org www.ndihmo-kosoven.org Since I am not having the desired discussion, I would like to have your support and help. I hope that you will be able to give the right spirit of the discussion and invite your audience to participate and give proposals for domain name. with best regards Adnan Emini UNDP - Kosov? +377 44 179 896 ____________________________________________________ NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l From adnan.emini at undp.org Mon Mar 8 11:49:39 2004 From: adnan.emini at undp.org (Adnan Emini) Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 17:49:39 +0100 Subject: [NYC-L] Invitation and request for help ! References: Message-ID: <404CA422.5E7B096B@undp.org> Thank you very much for your exprested interesed. Kosova online donation platform will allow to the all web audience (worldwide) to donate to their selected project/-s. The reporting will be pubic online and availabe at least for 5 year on the web. Within Kosova is the structure which assists implementer of online projects, monitor and audit finantial expenditures (Oversite form UNDP, UNICEF, EU (EAR), IPKO, SOROS, KCSF, KCC). Therefore, at this stage, we are not in position to transfer money to the person in Kosova. I hope that its more clarity about the function of the KOD platform, which will start on first week of May 04. Please don't hesitate to send more questions directly to me or post your opinion or question into Forum discussion in www.ndihmo-kosoven.org With best regards Adnan Emini UNDP - Kosov? Rita O'Connor wrote: > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > Please tell me more about this website. Will it allow Kosovars in the US > to send money to their families, or will it be used for people to donate to > NGOs working to improve conditions in Kosava. Or maybe something else? > > > adnan.emini at undp. > org (Adnan Emini) To: nyc-l-owner at alb-net.com > Sent by: cc: > nyc-l-bounces at alb Subject: [NYC-L] Invitation and request for help ! > -net.com > > > 03/06/2004 01:49 > PM > Please respond to > "Albanians in New > York City > Discussion Forum > (New York City, > USA)" > > > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > Dear friends > > UNDP Office together with SOROS in Kosova started jointly to set up a > platform and logistics here in Kosova through which will flow informaton > and donations from all future worldwide network supporting further > development of Kosova. > > Donations will be transfered in 100 % of their value to the end receiver > and will be online reports to inform everyone in web about achived > resultes, spent budget ect. > > This type of platforme together will direct support and suppervision in > the field is unique. > > Preparatory activities are at the end stage. 20 online project in final > planning phase. Start day will be on the 1st week of May. > > Since in Prishtina and around are not existing experts in web marketing > and branding, we have decided to open a pulbic discussion and invite all > web audience to give proposal for the domain name. > > The forum is placed in the project web site donated by Ergon Gervalla > (Isuf Gervalla's son). > > www.help-kosova.org > www.help-kosovo.org > www.kosova-aid.org > www.kosovo-aid.org > www.ndihmo-kosoven.org > > Since I am not having the desired discussion, I would like to have your > support and help. I hope that you will be able to give the right spirit > of the discussion and invite your audience to participate and give > proposals for domain name. > > with best regards > > Adnan Emini > UNDP - Kosov? > +377 44 179 896 > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to Combat Violence Message-ID: <20040320060029.16600.qmail@web41903.mail.yahoo.com> I just came across the following article ("NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to Combat Violence") at: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/international/europe/19KOSO.html?th and was upset to see such blatant bias and twisting of the truth. Perhaps each individual should contact the editor at nytimes.com and point to their mistakes in the article. Now, I'm not saying that there is no crime committed by the ethnic Albanians in Kosova. There definitely is but no way near the extent of which the article claims. The problem with the article is that it gives an impression that Albanians are the primary problem to all this violence; it does not state the Albanian side of the situation. It is no way near accurate in portraying the opinions of both sides of the story. If you intent to write individually to nytimes editors please be polite and calm. I would prefer if some US based organization drafted a sample response letter that can be sent to nytimes. Further, each individual can also send the letter to letters at nytimes.com or fax to (212)556-3622 to let them know that the public is not satisfied with their level of professional journalism. You may also send your letter to: Letters to the Editor The New York Times 229 West 43rd Street New York, NY 10036 Sincerely, Aferdita Hakaj www.asacuny.com P.S. Please forward this to anyone you can! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From vxharra at hotmail.com Sat Mar 20 12:13:47 2004 From: vxharra at hotmail.com (Valon Xharra) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:13:47 +0000 Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence Message-ID: Although I agree that the article does not go into in-depth analysis of what actually instigated this Kosovo wide revolt, and maybe it is too early to do that in the immediate aftermath of what happened, we must boldly admit that Albanians in Kosovo have revealed their darker side in the past days. Burning of the churches, expelling of the innocent Serbs, the burning of their homes and violent attacks against KFOR forces have made me feel less than proud to be an Albanian these last few days. Having experienced and directly observed the violence committed against Albanians before the war and than the "patriotic" revenge against many Serb civilians after the NATO arrival, I've come to realize that you cannot take sides in explaining, condoning or supporting violence. I apologize if I sound patronizing. Take care, Valon Xharra >From: "Albanian Students Assoc." >Reply-To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, >USA)" >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to >CombatViolence Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc1-f8.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.15]) by mc1-s19.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:44 -0800 >Received: from alb-net.com ([216.133.77.15]) by mc1-f8.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:38 -0800 >Received: from alb-net.com (alb-net.com [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com >(Postfix) with ESMTPid DBE0010C82C1; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:32 -0500 (EST) >Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com >(web41903.mail.yahoo.com[66.218.93.154]) by alb-net.com (Postfix) with SMTP >id 8868910C82E3for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:26 -0500 >(EST) >Received: from [68.161.192.86] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Fri, 19 >Mar 2004 22:00:29 PST >X-Message-Info: +va6sINXO+9hiFm/7ysYoBu/oSZjq4pkx1N4HqPuzew= >X-Original-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Delivered-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Message-ID: <20040320060029.16600.qmail at web41903.mail.yahoo.com> >X-BeenThere: nyc-l at alb-net.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City,USA)" > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com >Return-Path: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 06:01:38.0733 (UTC) >FILETIME=[CF0825D0:01C40E40] > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > >I just came across the following article ("NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to >Combat Violence") at: > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/international/europe/19KOSO.html?th > >and was upset to see such blatant bias and twisting of the truth. > >Perhaps each individual should contact the editor at nytimes.com and point >to their mistakes in the article. > >Now, I'm not saying that there is no crime committed by the ethnic >Albanians in Kosova. There definitely is but no way near the extent of >which the article claims. > >The problem with the article is that it gives an impression that >Albanians are the primary problem to all this violence; it does not state >the Albanian side of the situation. It is no way near accurate in >portraying the opinions of both sides of the story. > > > >If you intent to write individually to nytimes editors please be polite and >calm. > >I would prefer if some US based organization drafted a sample response >letter that can be sent to nytimes. Further, each individual can also send >the letter to letters at nytimes.com or fax to (212)556-3622 to let them know >that the public is not satisfied with their level of professional >journalism. > > > >You may also send your letter to: > >Letters to the Editor >The New York Times >229 West 43rd Street >New York, NY 10036 > >Sincerely, > >Aferdita Hakaj > >www.asacuny.com > >P.S. Please forward this to anyone you can! > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From ditaaa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 13:57:48 2004 From: ditaaa at yahoo.com (Aferdita Hakaj) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 10:57:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence Message-ID: <20040320185748.81161.qmail@web9903.mail.yahoo.com> Valon, I completely understand your stand on the situation in Kosova. However, I believe we must also understand that the Albanians there are reacting directly out of confusion and a state of anger, which is inappropriate and unacceptable. However, under the circumstances of the recent deaths of the 3 young boys, fear has accumulated on the fact that these boys symbolize the lost of their land, their hopes, and their identity. We must recognize the series of conflicts leading to this anger before we judge it. In no way is it acceptable, but all we ask is that both stories be told accordingly and fair by both sides. Although I can understand your offense with the acts that have occurred, I truly regret your position on not feeling proud to be Albanian. On the contrary, in these particular situations, I believe it is drastically important that we stand united and are especially proud of our identity. In no way should we generalize or stereotype any nationality by the incidents occurring by either side. What we shoud do is let our voice be heard to discourage anger, but at the same time support our nationality and its causes. I hope you understand me! Best regards, Aferdita H. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From krasniqis at att.net Sat Mar 20 14:00:44 2004 From: krasniqis at att.net (krasniqis at att.net) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:00:44 +0000 Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence Message-ID: <032020041900.14597.5928@att.net> Mr. Xharra I do not understand who you are trying to blame. On thing is important to know. ?What Serbs are capable of doing, no individual with a human hart can.? If you don?t know, go and do some research. I know that for some individuals, what happened five years ago has been forgotten. But those who?ve been through that will never forget. It is embarrassing to blame Albanians for burning some bullshit churches that persuade and teach criminals how to kill babies and how to rape women. And it is more embarrassing to support ?so called? minorities who have their hands full of blood and stay there only for trouble. I think, we should blame UN for not keeping its promises, but not those individuals that have become sick and tired without seeing the light. If you haven?t been to Kosova lately, go and see how Albanians are treated? I assure you don?t want that kind of life. Best Ylli. > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > Although I agree that the article does not go into in-depth analysis of what > actually instigated this Kosovo wide revolt, and maybe it is too early to do > that in the immediate aftermath of what happened, we must boldly admit that > Albanians in Kosovo have revealed their darker side in the past days. > Burning of the churches, expelling of the innocent Serbs, the burning of > their homes and violent attacks against KFOR forces have made me feel less > than proud to be an Albanian these last few days. > > Having experienced and directly observed the violence committed against > Albanians before the war and than the "patriotic" revenge against many Serb > civilians after the NATO arrival, I've come to realize that you cannot take > sides in explaining, condoning or supporting violence. > > I apologize if I sound patronizing. > > Take care, > > Valon Xharra > > > >From: "Albanian Students Assoc." > >Reply-To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, > >USA)" > >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > >Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to > >CombatViolence Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from mc1-f8.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.15]) by mc1-s19.hotmail.com > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:44 -0800 > >Received: from alb-net.com ([216.133.77.15]) by mc1-f8.hotmail.com with > >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:38 -0800 > >Received: from alb-net.com (alb-net.com [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com > >(Postfix) with ESMTPid DBE0010C82C1; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:32 -0500 (EST) > >Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com > >(web41903.mail.yahoo.com[66.218.93.154]) by alb-net.com (Postfix) with SMTP > >id 8868910C82E3for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:26 -0500 > >(EST) > >Received: from [68.161.192.86] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Fri, 19 > >Mar 2004 22:00:29 PST > >X-Message-Info: +va6sINXO+9hiFm/7ysYoBu/oSZjq4pkx1N4HqPuzew= > >X-Original-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > >Delivered-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > >Message-ID: <20040320060029.16600.qmail at web41903.mail.yahoo.com> > >X-BeenThere: nyc-l at alb-net.com > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City,USA)" > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > >, om?subject=unsubscribe> > >List-Archive: > >List-Post: > >List-Help: > >List-Subscribe: > >, om?subject=subscribe> > >Errors-To: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com > >Return-Path: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 06:01:38.0733 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[CF0825D0:01C40E40] > > > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > > > > >I just came across the following article ("NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to > >Combat Violence") at: > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/international/europe/19KOSO.html?th > > > >and was upset to see such blatant bias and twisting of the truth. > > > >Perhaps each individual should contact the editor at nytimes.com and point > >to their mistakes in the article. > > > >Now, I'm not saying that there is no crime committed by the ethnic > >Albanians in Kosova. There definitely is but no way near the extent of > >which the article claims. > > > >The problem with the article is that it gives an impression that > >Albanians are the primary problem to all this violence; it does not state > >the Albanian side of the situation. It is no way near accurate in > >portraying the opinions of both sides of the story. > > > > > > > >If you intent to write individually to nytimes editors please be polite and > >calm. > > > >I would prefer if some US based organization drafted a sample response > >letter that can be sent to nytimes. Further, each individual can also send > >the letter to letters at nytimes.com or fax to (212)556-3622 to let them know > >that the public is not satisfied with their level of professional > >journalism. > > > > > > > >You may also send your letter to: > > > >Letters to the Editor > >The New York Times > >229 West 43rd Street > >New York, NY 10036 > > > >Sincerely, > > > >Aferdita Hakaj > > > >www.asacuny.com > > > >P.S. Please forward this to anyone you can! > > > > > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > >____________________________________________________ > >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > From vxharra at hotmail.com Sat Mar 20 16:47:15 2004 From: vxharra at hotmail.com (Valon Xharra) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:47:15 +0000 Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces toCombatViolence Message-ID: Dear Aferdita and Ylli. Ylli, you accuse me of having forgotten our tragic past, of not having done enough research and not having visited the place to know how people are treated. Let me just reply briefly. First, I cannot forget what had happened in Kosova because throughout the war I was there, on the field, seeing things not through the lens of foreign media but with my own eyes. Second, I cannot forget what has happened because whenever I go back I visit the place in Gjakova where the old and nice and warm house of my family used to be. There are a few ruined walls that are left as a reminder of that beautiful house. Third, I cannot forget what happened because I often to visit the mother of my friend who has been abducted on April 19, 1999 and since that day is still officially ?missing.? The language that you use is so reminiscent of the language of the Serb propaganda during the 1990?s. I remember how they called us criminals, backward people, Muslim savages. I recall how they described our schools as the places where Albanians learn how to slaughter and rape women. You use the same language and I am sorry to be reminded of those times by your email. Aferdita, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY. The Albanian that I know and I am proud of is the peaceful Albanian that has gone through the gates of hell and managed to get back on his feet. The Albanian that I am proud of is the Albanian that has been continuously exposed to violence to know all to well that such violence can only make one despicable and miserable. This is why I felt that what had happened in the last few days did not fit the identity of the Albanian that I so proudly carry with me. Take care, Valoni >From: krasniqis at att.net >Reply-To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, >USA)" >To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, USA)" > >Subject: RE: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces >toCombatViolence >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:00:44 +0000 >Received: from mc11-f2.hotmail.com ([65.54.167.9]) by mc11-s9.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:01:05 -0800 >Received: from alb-net.com ([216.133.77.15]) by mc11-f2.hotmail.com with >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:00:55 -0800 >Received: from alb-net.com (alb-net.com [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com >(Postfix) with ESMTPid E2CCD10C82C1; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:00:51 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net >(mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net[204.127.131.115])by alb-net.com (Postfix) with >ESMTP id 2798210C802Ffor ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:00:44 >-0500 (EST) >Received: from 204.127.135.29 ([204.127.135.29])by worldnet.att.net >(mtiwmhc11) with SMTPid <2004032019004511100t97r1e>; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 >19:00:45 +0000 >Received: from [67.102.0.73] by 204.127.135.29; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:00:44 >+0000 >X-Message-Info: +va6sINXO+9noxzHc3uzU9IDrEsNi5BUDT4W+re6/mM= >X-Original-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Delivered-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Message-Id: <032020041900.14597.5928 at att.net> >X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 13 2004) >X-Authenticated-Sender: a3Jhc25pcWlzQGF0dC5uZXQ= >X-BeenThere: nyc-l at alb-net.com >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 >Precedence: list >List-Id: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City,USA)" > >List-Unsubscribe: >, >List-Archive: >List-Post: >List-Help: >List-Subscribe: >, >Errors-To: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com >Return-Path: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 19:00:55.0715 (UTC) >FILETIME=[AC5D6730:01C40EAD] > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > >Mr. Xharra I do not understand who you are trying to blame. On thing is >important to know. “What Serbs are capable of doing, no individual >with a human hart can.” If you don’t know, go and do some >research. I know that for some individuals, what happened five years ago >has been forgotten. But those who’ve been through that will never >forget. It is embarrassing to blame Albanians for burning some bullshit >churches that persuade and teach criminals how to kill babies and how to >rape women. And it is more embarrassing to support “so called” >minorities who have their hands full of blood and stay there only for >trouble. I think, we should blame UN for not keeping its promises, but not >those individuals that have become sick and tired without seeing the light. >If you haven’t been to Kosova lately, go and see how Albanians are >treated? I assure you don’t want that kind of life. > >Best >Ylli. > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > > > Although I agree that the article does not go into in-depth analysis of >what > > actually instigated this Kosovo wide revolt, and maybe it is too early >to do > > that in the immediate aftermath of what happened, we must boldly admit >that > > Albanians in Kosovo have revealed their darker side in the past days. > > Burning of the churches, expelling of the innocent Serbs, the burning of > > their homes and violent attacks against KFOR forces have made me feel >less > > than proud to be an Albanian these last few days. > > > > Having experienced and directly observed the violence committed against > > Albanians before the war and than the "patriotic" revenge against many >Serb > > civilians after the NATO arrival, I've come to realize that you cannot >take > > sides in explaining, condoning or supporting violence. > > > > I apologize if I sound patronizing. > > > > Take care, > > > > Valon Xharra > > > > > > >From: "Albanian Students Assoc." > > >Reply-To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, > > >USA)" > > >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > > >Subject: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to > > >CombatViolence Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:00:29 -0800 (PST) > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from mc1-f8.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.15]) by mc1-s19.hotmail.com > > >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:44 -0800 > > >Received: from alb-net.com ([216.133.77.15]) by mc1-f8.hotmail.com with > > >Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:01:38 -0800 > > >Received: from alb-net.com (alb-net.com [127.0.0.1])by alb-net.com > > >(Postfix) with ESMTPid DBE0010C82C1; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:32 -0500 >(EST) > > >Received: from web41903.mail.yahoo.com > > >(web41903.mail.yahoo.com[66.218.93.154]) by alb-net.com (Postfix) with >SMTP > > >id 8868910C82E3for ; Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:00:26 -0500 > > >(EST) > > >Received: from [68.161.192.86] by web41903.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP;Fri, >19 > > >Mar 2004 22:00:29 PST > > >X-Message-Info: +va6sINXO+9hiFm/7ysYoBu/oSZjq4pkx1N4HqPuzew= > > >X-Original-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > > >Delivered-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com > > >Message-ID: <20040320060029.16600.qmail at web41903.mail.yahoo.com> > > >X-BeenThere: nyc-l at alb-net.com > > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 > > >Precedence: list > > >List-Id: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York >City,USA)" > > > > > >List-Unsubscribe: > > > >, > om?subject=unsubscribe> > > >List-Archive: > > >List-Post: > > >List-Help: > > >List-Subscribe: > > > >, > om?subject=subscribe> > > >Errors-To: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com > > >Return-Path: nyc-l-bounces at alb-net.com > > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Mar 2004 06:01:38.0733 (UTC) > > >FILETIME=[CF0825D0:01C40E40] > > > > > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > > > > > > > >I just came across the following article ("NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces >to > > >Combat Violence") at: > > > > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/19/international/europe/19KOSO.html?th > > > > > >and was upset to see such blatant bias and twisting of the truth. > > > > > >Perhaps each individual should contact the editor at nytimes.com and >point > > >to their mistakes in the article. > > > > > >Now, I'm not saying that there is no crime committed by the ethnic > > >Albanians in Kosova. There definitely is but no way near the extent of > > >which the article claims. > > > > > >The problem with the article is that it gives an impression that > > >Albanians are the primary problem to all this violence; it does not >state > > >the Albanian side of the situation. It is no way near accurate in > > >portraying the opinions of both sides of the story. > > > > > > > > > > > >If you intent to write individually to nytimes editors please be polite >and > > >calm. > > > > > >I would prefer if some US based organization drafted a sample response > > >letter that can be sent to nytimes. Further, each individual can also >send > > >the letter to letters at nytimes.com or fax to (212)556-3622 to let them >know > > >that the public is not satisfied with their level of professional > > >journalism. > > > > > > > > > > > >You may also send your letter to: > > > > > >Letters to the Editor > > >The New York Times > > >229 West 43rd Street > > >New York, NY 10036 > > > > > >Sincerely, > > > > > >Aferdita Hakaj > > > > > >www.asacuny.com > > > > > >P.S. Please forward this to anyone you can! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do you Yahoo!? > > >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. > > >____________________________________________________ > > >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > > >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > > >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > > >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From jeton at hotmail.com Sat Mar 20 22:06:03 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:06:03 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Adulthood Calling Message-ID: You know what's sad? ITS SAD TO THINK ALBANIANS HAVE BEEN SO BADLY STRUNG ALONG THAT THERE'S STILL A LARGE NUMBER WHO "THINK" THE WAY THAT YOU DO. There can be no excuse for fascism or proto-fascism. Blather all you like with all the defensive, circular reasoning and angry asides and 'he hit me first!" that you can muster, but you are playing into kostunica's (and djindic's and slobo's) hands. Belgrade has ALWAYS coveted Mitrovice and Trepce and everything north of the Ibar, and has ALWAYS been willing to part with the rest! The 'mass evacuation' across the Ibar in 1999 was a Serbian masterstroke, they essentially laid claim to Mitrovice then, and UCK knew it, which is why UCK's commander in Mitrovice still enjoys the ignomy of surrender. Instead of pushing past the French KFOR in june 99 and ensuring the territorial integrity of Kosove, he held back and lost the moment. SO, AFTER HE LOST MITROVICE (at least temporarily), some Albanians got sucked into a strategy of reverse ethinic cleansing. Forget about the potentially (and INCREASINGLY!) catastrophic loss of Albanian credibility, forget briefly about the fact that even the most die-hard Albanian supporters have trouble keeping a straight face when they hear rhetoric like yours, Ylli. Let's take this to the extreme...there are now reports that even US soldiers have been confronted by Albanian mobs... ...TELL ME, IF AND WHEN THE USA IS EVENTUALLY AND SUFFICIENTLY EMBARRASSED ENOUGH TO WITHDRAW IT'S TROOPS AND DISASSEMBLE BONDSTEELE, INTO WHO'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE CAN ALBANIANS DRIFT FOR PROTECTION AGAINST THE SLAVIC SPHERE, HMMM??? TURKEY? PAKISTAN?? AL QAEDA??? Just for laughs, why don't you try telling me ALL about how "Albanians don't need nobody anyways, dammit" ? "ENERGY CORRIDOR 8", TREPCE, CONTROLLING AN ASCENDANT EUROPEAN UNION, EXPANDING THE US SPHERE OF INFLUENCE, BUILDING BRIDGES TO ISLAM USING WHITE EUROPEAN MUSLIMS...NONE OF THOSE FACTORS, TOGETHER OR SEPERATELY, IS ENOUGH TO LOCK THE USA INTO A SUICIDE PACT OF EMBARRASSMENT WITH ALBANIANS...ALL OF THOSE BENEFITS CAN BE REACHED BY OTHER AVENUES. Its utterly disgusting to hear Albanians whine about their feelings, their 'right' to drown old serbian women in bathtubs (one alb schmuk accused of such crimes in summer 99 was actually a schmuck who attended NYC rallies in spring '99, just the kind of idiot who would climb up on police barricades and unzip his pants, telling anti-NATO demonstrators "THITHMA KARIN!!!" -- in front of CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX and every other media venue you can think of!! Until I'd YANK HIM DOWN, that is.) YES, DAMN YOU ALL, THAT'S FUCKING EMBARRASING!!!!!!!!!! and STUPID@!@! and counter-fukn-productive to ALBANIAN INTERESTS!! But noooooooooo, one infantile childlike psychopath after another comes "fixing the Serbian Problem" with torches and molotov-cocktails while the great mass of Albanians either keep mum or blather defensively and *I*N*C*R*E*D*I*B*L*Y*. Does anybody remember CREDIBILITY?? You know, when people BELIEVE what you claim rather than smirk disgustedly at you? Albanians need to shape-the-fuck-up. We need to show responsible HOSPITALITY toward minorities and CONTROL of our own, something we used to be good at by all accounts. Albanians should be so fukn spotless that we can march across the Ibar and reclaim our own homes there, so spotless that KFOR becomes too embarrased to stand in our way, so powerful in our untiy that they think better of it. Instead we have the general freak-show which is the entire Albanian political establishment, from drunk traitors to criminal puppets, to the merely ineffectual... Of course the EU never wanted Kosovar independence. They are INTEGRATING, and fear any form of DISSOLUTION, especially nearby. OF COURSE they were happy to obstruct 'final status' negotiations as long as possible. Every fukn senior player in the '99 war knew that then, which is why it's so extra sad to watch Albanians play into the belgrade/brussels strategem to this day. "Albanians are ethno-fascistically inclined, we cannot allow states based on ETHNIC PURITY" bla bla blahH! We're becoming like the Palestinians, and God help us all if Serbia hasn't been learning the lessons of Israel -- to act all innocent while guiding and riding the wave to where BELGRADE wants it to go. NO, i truly doubt there's much in the way of true organization behind the latest Kosova uprising, the fact that all of Kosova fears the latest round of 'partition' talks and that many have cellphones, pagers and internet access is more than enough to spark the kind of simultaneous disturbances going on. An inter-ethnic incident involving the homicide of children is a perfect spark to ignite this kind of horror, with all that anxiety and the humiliation of living under a hopelessly out-of-touch UNMIK as a background. But if any of you would like to confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant child. I know Kosove is mostly young people demographicly speaking, but too many wiser older Albanians have tried reliving their lost youth riding on the adrenaline of angry children, while the whole train is riding right back into the Serbian station. "GROW UP!" ----pass it on! Jeton Ademaj Bronx, New York >>>>>>> From: krasniqis at att.net Subject: RE: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, USA)" Message-ID: <032020041900.14597.5928 at att.net> Mr. Xharra I do not understand who you are trying to blame. On thing is important to know. ?What Serbs are capable of doing, no individual with a human hart can.? If you don?t know, go and do some research. I know that for some individuals, what happened five years ago has been forgotten. But those who?ve been through that will never forget. It is embarrassing to blame Albanians for burning some bullshit churches that persuade and teach criminals how to kill babies and how to rape women. And it is more embarrassing to support ?so called? minorities who have their hands full of blood and stay there only for trouble. I think, we should blame UN for not keeping its promises, but not those individuals that have become sick and tired without seeing the light. If you haven?t been to Kosova lately, go and see how Albanians are treated? I assure you don?t want that kind of life. Best Ylli. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ From ditaaa at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 23:06:33 2004 From: ditaaa at yahoo.com (Aferdita Hakaj) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:06:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] Adulthood Calling In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040321040633.52202.qmail@web9902.mail.yahoo.com> Mr. Ademaj, Do you know what I think is sad? Hypocrites! I don?t understand why you go on and on criticizing Albanians on growing up (adulthood call as you say) when you, yourself, use the f... word every other sentence????? I would suggest on broadening your vocabulary skills. Please don?t take this the wrong way, just some advice from a fellow Albanian. Although I agree with many of you statements, I believe that you are complaining too much about all the problems and you seem not to suggest any solutions. Please do not misunderstand me, but if you attend to critique others, try to give some concrete suggestions on improvement. In addition, you seem to be completely pessimist on the future of the Kosovar youth, how can the youth ever progress when they have no encouragement from the leadership in Kosova. I hate to say it but Individuals, such as you, are not helping the situation by ?riding on adrenaline like angry children.? If you are not happy with the way the youth is reacting to the situation, then try to change it. This can be done with calmness and understanding. As far as your statement in which said, ?if any of you would like to confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant child." Well, let?s see?all I can say is something my granduncle use to say to me, which is ?if a child does not cry, the parent will not know what the matter is.? In other words, if you do not express yourself then how will the international community know the facts? I do believe that getting the facts straight from both sides can at least allow people to judge the situation more accurately. I do not see this in any way as acting like a child. However, I think that if we do not raise our voices, then the situation will lead to incorrect assumptions and escalating consequences. Especially, when the NYtimes or any other credible media is spreading propaganda, we are obligated as Albanians to try to get the truth out. I tried to be as short and concise as I could. Best regards, Aferdita H. P.S. Kritikat jan te mire se ardhura J! Jeton Ademaj wrote: === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === You know what's sad? ITS SAD TO THINK ALBANIANS HAVE BEEN SO BADLY STRUNG ALONG THAT THERE'S STILL A LARGE NUMBER WHO "THINK" THE WAY THAT YOU DO. There can be no excuse for fascism or proto-fascism. Blather all you like with all the defensive, circular reasoning and angry asides and 'he hit me first!" that you can muster, but you are playing into kostunica's (and djindic's and slobo's) hands. Belgrade has ALWAYS coveted Mitrovice and Trepce and everything north of the Ibar, and has ALWAYS been willing to part with the rest! The 'mass evacuation' across the Ibar in 1999 was a Serbian masterstroke, they essentially laid claim to Mitrovice then, and UCK knew it, which is why UCK's commander in Mitrovice still enjoys the ignomy of surrender. Instead of pushing past the French KFOR in june 99 and ensuring the territorial integrity of Kosove, he held back and lost the moment. SO, AFTER HE LOST MITROVICE (at least temporarily), some Albanians got sucked into a strategy of reverse ethinic cleansing. Forget about the potentially (and INCREASINGLY!) catastrophic loss of Albanian credibility, forget briefly about the fact that even the most die-hard Albanian supporters have trouble keeping a straight face when they hear rhetoric like yours, Ylli. Let's take this to the extreme...there are now reports that even US soldiers have been confronted by Albanian mobs... ...TELL ME, IF AND WHEN THE USA IS EVENTUALLY AND SUFFICIENTLY EMBARRASSED ENOUGH TO WITHDRAW IT'S TROOPS AND DISASSEMBLE BONDSTEELE, INTO WHO'S SPHERE OF INFLUENCE CAN ALBANIANS DRIFT FOR PROTECTION AGAINST THE SLAVIC SPHERE, HMMM??? TURKEY? PAKISTAN?? AL QAEDA??? Just for laughs, why don't you try telling me ALL about how "Albanians don't need nobody anyways, dammit" ? "ENERGY CORRIDOR 8", TREPCE, CONTROLLING AN ASCENDANT EUROPEAN UNION, EXPANDING THE US SPHERE OF INFLUENCE, BUILDING BRIDGES TO ISLAM USING WHITE EUROPEAN MUSLIMS...NONE OF THOSE FACTORS, TOGETHER OR SEPERATELY, IS ENOUGH TO LOCK THE USA INTO A SUICIDE PACT OF EMBARRASSMENT WITH ALBANIANS...ALL OF THOSE BENEFITS CAN BE REACHED BY OTHER AVENUES. Its utterly disgusting to hear Albanians whine about their feelings, their 'right' to drown old serbian women in bathtubs (one alb schmuk accused of such crimes in summer 99 was actually a schmuck who attended NYC rallies in spring '99, just the kind of idiot who would climb up on police barricades and unzip his pants, telling anti-NATO demonstrators "THITHMA KARIN!!!" -- in front of CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX and every other media venue you can think of!! Until I'd YANK HIM DOWN, that is.) YES, DAMN YOU ALL, THAT'S FUCKING EMBARRASING!!!!!!!!!! and STUPID@!@! and counter-fukn-productive to ALBANIAN INTERESTS!! But noooooooooo, one infantile childlike psychopath after another comes "fixing the Serbian Problem" with torches and molotov-cocktails while the great mass of Albanians either keep mum or blather defensively and *I*N*C*R*E*D*I*B*L*Y*. Does anybody remember CREDIBILITY?? You know, when people BELIEVE what you claim rather than smirk disgustedly at you? Albanians need to shape-the-fuck-up. We need to show responsible HOSPITALITY toward minorities and CONTROL of our own, something we used to be good at by all accounts. Albanians should be so fukn spotless that we can march across the Ibar and reclaim our own homes there, so spotless that KFOR becomes too embarrased to stand in our way, so powerful in our untiy that they think better of it. Instead we have the general freak-show which is the entire Albanian political establishment, from drunk traitors to criminal puppets, to the merely ineffectual... Of course the EU never wanted Kosovar independence. They are INTEGRATING, and fear any form of DISSOLUTION, especially nearby. OF COURSE they were happy to obstruct 'final status' negotiations as long as possible. Every fukn senior player in the '99 war knew that then, which is why it's so extra sad to watch Albanians play into the belgrade/brussels strategem to this day. "Albanians are ethno-fascistically inclined, we cannot allow states based on ETHNIC PURITY" bla bla blahH! We're becoming like the Palestinians, and God help us all if Serbia hasn't been learning the lessons of Israel -- to act all innocent while guiding and riding the wave to where BELGRADE wants it to go. NO, i truly doubt there's much in the way of true organization behind the latest Kosova uprising, the fact that all of Kosova fears the latest round of 'partition' talks and that many have cellphones, pagers and internet access is more than enough to spark the kind of simultaneous disturbances going on. An inter-ethnic incident involving the homicide of children is a perfect spark to ignite this kind of horror, with all that anxiety and the humiliation of living under a hopelessly out-of-touch UNMIK as a background. But if any of you would like to confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant child. I know Kosove is mostly young people demographicly speaking, but too many wiser older Albanians have tried reliving their lost youth riding on the adrenaline of angry children, while the whole train is riding right back into the Serbian station. "GROW UP!" ----pass it on! Jeton Ademaj Bronx, New York >>>>>>> From: krasniqis at att.net Subject: RE: [NYC-L] NY Times Headline: NATO Expanding Kosovo Forces to CombatViolence To: "Albanians in New York City Discussion Forum (New York City, USA)" Message-ID: <032020041900.14597.5928 at att.net> Mr. Xharra I do not understand who you are trying to blame. On thing is important to know. ?What Serbs are capable of doing, no individual with a human hart can.? If you don?t know, go and do some research. I know that for some individuals, what happened five years ago has been forgotten. But those who?ve been through that will never forget. It is embarrassing to blame Albanians for burning some bullshit churches that persuade and teach criminals how to kill babies and how to rape women. And it is more embarrassing to support ?so called? minorities who have their hands full of blood and stay there only for trouble. I think, we should blame UN for not keeping its promises, but not those individuals that have become sick and tired without seeing the light. If you haven?t been to Kosova lately, go and see how Albanians are treated? I assure you don?t want that kind of life. Best Ylli. _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ____________________________________________________ NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From mentor at alb-net.com Sat Mar 20 22:54:14 2004 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Kosova Crisis Center News and Information) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:54:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NYC-L] [Kcc-News] CDHRF: NEW WAVE OF VIOLENCE IN KOSOVA (03/18/2004) Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Kosova Crisis Center (KCC) News: http://www.alb-net.com/index.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.cdhrf.org/2004English/Index2004_english.htm COUNCIL FOR THE DEFENCE OF HUMAN RIGHTS & FREEDOMS Prishtina, Kosova NEW WAVE OF VIOLENCE IN KOSOVA The escalation of the situation in Kosova after the incident in the village of ?ab?r, in which three Albanian children drowned in the Ibri River while fleeing from a group of Serbs who were chasing them, was not surprising for the CDHRF. In its previous press releases, the CDHRF has warned of the threat for the escalation of the situation and has identified the causes which could lead to it. The accumulated frustration due to the difficult economic situation in Kosova, grave security situation and the lack of political prospects has resulted in the escalation of the situation. According to the CDHRF, the blame for such a situation falls upon the following: Serbia, UNMIK and the provisional institutions of Kosova (the Presidency, the Government, and the Assembly). After the end of the war in Kosova, Serbia continued to manipulate with the Serbs in Kosova as well as those who have returned to Kosova or were planning to do so. It has established parallel systems and supported them in different ways. UNMIK and KFOR have failed in carrying out their mission. They have created the provisional institutions of Kosova, which do not have any powers, and together with Belgrade they are making decisions on the future of Kosova, excluding the Albanians who comprise the majority in Kosova out of the decision-making processes. They have unarmed the Albanians but have not worked in preventing the arming of the Serbs (most of the Albanians killed during the recent events have been shot by Serbs). The provisional institutions of Kosova have proved to be completely inefficient and have succumbed to the pressure of the international community, working against the interests of Kosova and against the mandate given to them by the voters, by presenting a false picture to the people of Kosova with whom they have manipulated all this time. They did not have a vision for the protection of minorities and their integration in society. They lacked any initiatives in this direction. All their actions were carried out upon the insistence of the international factor and were used for political marketing. They were not able to defend any interests other than their own as well as those of their parties. They are part of the crisis, which they cannot solve due to the fact that they themselves have helped its creation. CDHRF continues to monitor the situation which is calmer than yesterday. Yet, in certain areas, the situation is out of control, especially in Obiliq where fire has been set to many Serb-owned houses and efforts have been made to set fire to the Serb Orthodox Church. Large numbers of people are protesting in Prishtina, mainly secondary school pupils and students. CDHRF condemns all acts of violence and calls upon the authorities to bring to justice all those who have exercised violence, which has resulted in tens of killed, hundreds of wounded, the destruction of many houses, the displacement of many citizens, the destruction of sacral buildings, etc. CDHRF calls upon UNMIK and KFOR to remove all the road blocks and disarm the Serbs as a precondition for the stabilization of the situation. Otherwise, the consequences will be much graver. CDHRF calls for an investigation regarding the cases when excessive force was used by the UNMIK police, KFOR soldiers and Serb members of the KPS against the Albanian protestors. CDHRF calls upon the provisional institutions of Kosova to work in calming the situation as they too are responsible for its escalation. It demands from them to take responsibility for the created situation. CDHRF expresses its deepest condolences to the families of the killed and wishes a soon recovery to all those wounded and injured. Prishtina, 18.03.2004 Behxhet Shala, executive director ______________________________________________________________ If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message to: kcc-news-unsubscribe at alb-net.com , or visit KCC-NEWS's page at: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/kcc-news From mentor at alb-net.com Mon Mar 8 11:32:35 2004 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:32:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NYC-L] [Albanians-Today] Albania: Investors Concerned at Protests Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------- Albanians-Today News and Information: http://www.alb-net.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200403_483_5_eng.txt Albania: Investors Concerned at Protests Alarm at political protests masks underlying questions about how foreign investors are treated. By Dalina Buzi in Tirana (BCR No 483, 04-Mar-04) A week after street protests turned violent in Tirana on February 7, Albania's most famous singer was praying that his Italian band would show up so that a concert could go ahead. Ardit Gjebrea had a struggle to convince his band that the wave of protests organised by the right-wing opposition had not made Albania unsafe. That first protest march ended in violence when police broke up thousands of demonstrators marching towards the government building and calling for the resignation of prime minister Fatos Nano. A further demonstration on February 20 - involving up 20,000 people - passed off peacefully. As political stability remains uncertain, Italian musicians are not the only foreigners threatening to stay away. Investors planning to invest in the Balkans' most impoverished state are also warning that their patience is running out. Luan Bregasi, head of Albania's Chamber of Commerce, says foreign businesses feel threatened by a "possible repetition of the violent acts of February 7". Bregasi was speaking on February 17, three days before the second, larger demonstration that went off without incident. But as long as the atmosphere remains tense - opposition leader Sali Berisha has promised new protests on March 20 - foreign businesses cannot relax. Albania's economy had been slowly recovering from the anarchy of the late Nineties. Investors' reports rated Albania higher in 2003 than they did in 2002. America's Exim Bank, for example, upgraded the country's risk rating by one point in its annual assessment. The biggest injections of money into the economy still come from foreign donors and lenders rather than commercial investors. The World Bank, the European Union, Italy and Germany lead the way, targeting the country's dilapidated infrastructure. Much of the foreign funding goes into telecommunications, banking and manufacturing - although the lack of electricity and water supplies deters many potential investors in the latter area. Albania has recently begun attracting more interest from other west European countries and the United States. At the end of 2003, Austria's Raiffeisen Zentralbank Oesterreich bought Albania's largest bank, the Savings Bank of Albania, for 126 million US dollars in one of the largest deals of this kind. Last year, two American corporations, General Electric and Lockheed Martin, negotiated agreements to work in the energy sector and Albanian ports. Meanwhile, the government has granted a concession to a German-American consortium, Airport Partners, to invest 80 million dollars and build a new international air terminal within three years. But the recent political turmoil and a more general sense of instability leaves some investors feeling jittery. Zenel Hoxha, head of the British Chamber of Commerce in Albania, says British investors feel "asphyxiated" by the current political impasse, and if they encounter more hurdles, there is a danger they will pull out. Floreta Faber, director of the American Chamber of Commerce, told IWPR that at least one major investor from the United States is putting a key investment decision on hold, although she would not name the firm for reasons of confidentiality. "Protests create destabilisation, and destabilisation is not good news," said Faber. But it is far from clear whether opposition protests are solely to blame for the lack of investor confidence. All the signs are that underlying problems with the way foreign investors are treated by the government are also a factor. Artan Hoxha, an independent economist and vice-president of the Institute for Contemporary Studies, ICS, says the government is using the protests as an excuse to cover up for its own failings. "Every country has protests, but investments still continue under a new government," he said. According to Hoxha, the real problem lies in over-centralisation of government, which creates a culture in which no decision can be made without it being referred up to ministerial level. "The administration cannot act or decide anything without the approval of a government minister," he said. A 2003 report from the German foreign ministry appears to support Hoxha's claim, saying that investors "have difficulties in finding responsible persons in the administration" to grant them the licenses they need to work. Even after contracts have been signed, business agreements remain so dependent on the individual ministers concerned that foreign investors fear they could be at risk if there is a change of administration. "[They] worry that they might have to repeat all their procedures if the government gets a new face," said Hoxha. As Faber explained, "When a minister or government changes, every director and every chief in every office of every ministry is replaced by someone else, who wants to start afresh." Dalina Buzi is a journalist with the Albanian private TV station Top Channel. ______________________________________________________________ If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message to: albanians-today-unsubscribe at alb-net.com , or visit Albanians-Today's page at: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/albanians-today From mentor at alb-net.com Mon Mar 8 11:39:05 2004 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Albaniansin Macedonia Crisis Center News & Information) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:39:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NYC-L] [AMCC-News] Macedonia Saddened, But Not Fearful Message-ID: --------------------------------------------------------------------- AMCC http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/bcr3/bcr3_200403_483_2_eng.txt Macedonia Saddened, But Not Fearful Despite the untimely death of president Boris Trajkovski, his biggest legacy is a constitutional settlement that can survive such shocks to the political system. By Ana Petruseva in Skopje (BCR No 483, 04-Mar-04) There were stony faces, tears and silence in the capital on Wednesday, as thousands of people lined the streets to await the arrival of the remains of Macedonia's late president, Boris Trajkovski. He was killed with eight other members of his staff when his plane crashed early on February 26 in Bosnia. United in grief, people from all over the country lined up quietly in front of parliament on Thursday, where Trajkovski's coffin is lying in state, to pay tribute to the late head of state who was hailed as a peacemaker who averted civil war in 2001. The area in front of parliament was carpeted in flowers, pictures of the president, sad messages of condolences and burning candles. Trajkovski, a 47 year old lawyer and Methodist preacher, was widely respected for promoting tolerance and dialogue in a volatile region torn by ethnic violence. He institutionalised dialogue and built a framework that would outlive him, leaving Macedonia grieving for the past but not frightened about its future. Trajkovski, Macedonia's second president since its independence in 1991, was the architect of the Ohrid peace deal that ended ethnic fighting in 2001 by granting greater rights to the country's large Albanian minority. But his demise is not seen as a threat to the agreement, or to the political stability it has helped underpin. "We lost a great man," said a government source who asked to remain anonymous. "But the institutions are functioning and will continue to do so, and implementation of the Ohrid peace deal remains our highest priority." Political analysts do not foresee a shift in policy, either. Denko Maleski, a former foreign minister who is now a law professor, told IWPR that instability was unlikely because there was no longer any feasible option to the present policy course, "The peace deal. is our only alternative, and all political actors have accepted that it is the only path Macedonia can take." For Iso Rusi, editor-in-chief of the Albanian-language weekly Lobi, the main achievement is that political stability has rooted itself in the system rather than in personalities. "I don't see any danger of destabilisation," he said. "The reality that the peace deal was the only way to hold this country together is already widely accepted, and I don't see that changing. It is a legacy, a system whose survival does not rely on one politician". Since 2001, Macedonia's parliament has adopted the constitutional changes and most of the laws envisaged by the Ohrid agreement. Large numbers of ethnic Albanians are joining the police and administration, while the Albanian university in Tetovo has been legalised after a decade of controversy. The former rebels turned into politicians, and as the Democratic Union for Integration won the majority of Albanian votes in the September 2002 parliamentary election, and formed the present governing coalition with the Social Democratic Union as senior partner. Abroad, Trajkovski was a strong advocate for Macedonia's integration into the European Union and NATO. In the Balkans, he encouraged regional cooperation and partnerships, often initiating meetings and bringing heads of states together to work for political and economic stability. Analysts say that at home, Trajkovski - despite the pivotal role he played in the 2001 crisis - had begun to be marginalised in recent years, especially after the Social Democrats came to power. He was in the final year of his presidential term, with an election set for October this year. It was thought unlikely that he would seek a second term, as he had lost support from his party, the nationalist VMRO-DPMNE, which was angered by the stance he took in 2001. Macedonia now faces an early presidential election within a deadline of 40 days. Government sources told IWPR that the election law would have to be amended in order to meet the deadline. Local media started speculating with possible candidates. Sources from the major parties - the ruling Social Democrats and the opposition VMRO-DPMNE - told IWPR that discussions would begin only after the funeral. "Every election can be slightly destabilising, especially in a delicate situation like this when nobody is actually prepared for elections," said Maleski. "But it all depends on how the parties behave during the election." Maleski believes that since the election has been prompted by the death of Trajkovski - a man praised for his moderate policies, "the political parties will adhere to a moderate line and not stir up tensions". Flags remained at half-mast while the government prepared for the funeral, scheduled for Friday, and awaited the arrival of a dozen presidents and about 50 high-level government delegations. The authorities announced that Friday would be a day off, as some 200,000 people are expected to attend the funeral. "Trajkovski was a great president, a true leader and he treated all [ethnic groups] equally," said Akif Feratovski, an ethnic Albanian farmer who travelled from the town of Veles to attend the funeral. "Sadly, we will never have another president like him." Ana Petruseva is IWPR's project manager in Skopje. ______________________________________________________________ If you wish to unsubscribe, send a blank message to: amcc-news-unsubscribe at alb-net.com , or visit AMCC-NEWS's page at: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/amcc-news From jeton at hotmail.com Sun Mar 21 01:28:33 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 01:28:33 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] "Who's calling?" Message-ID: Aferdite >>>>>>>Do you know what I think is sad? Hypocrites! I don?t understand why >>>>>>>you go on and on criticizing Albanians on growing up (adulthood call >>>>>>>as you say) when you, yourself, use the f... word every other >>>>>>>sentence????? I would suggest on broadening your vocabulary skills. >>>>>>>Please don?t take this the wrong way, just some advice from a fellow >>>>>>>Albanian.<<<<< I speak freely, and abjure all linguistic provincialisms. No principal is going to whack my knuckles or approach my mouth with a bar of soap, I have no constituents to vote me out of office and NO I haven?t heard all that much off this list for me to particularly regret my language if I get booted off. You?d do better declaring that you were personally offended by the use of slang references clearly derived from slang speech. (eg. ?fukn? in place of ?fucking?, (adj/adverb of ?Fuck?) an ancient English ?obscenity?, itself both noun (as an action/transaction) and verb (to penetrate (phallicly?), commonly used for modifying emphasis in spoken English, controversial in dominant cultural context) . I do not begrudge you your intellectual posture but your larger response is evasive. >>>>>>Although I agree with many of you statements, I believe that you are >>>>>>complaining too much about all the problems and you seem not to >>>>>>suggest any solutions. Please do not misunderstand me, but if you >>>>>>attend to critique others, try to give some concrete suggestions on >>>>>>improvement.<<<<< I?m sorry but that is trite reasoning. You agree with what I?m saying but I?m saying it too much? (as rarely as I post anything?) I?m not offering solutions?? Honestly, your post calling for a mass response to a nytimes article was particularly counterproductive?you simply dont seem slick enough linguisticly or logically to be anything other than counterproductive writing to mass media. In fact, no one who takes a purely Albanian-defensive position can be credible in mass media at this point. So, Concrete Suggestion #1: speak/write credibly. For instance, PRECISELY what was biased about the nytimes article, and what bias exactly? Give me quotes, context and some talking points ?, hell if you convince me I?ll swarm on them (and their new Public Editor) as well. Concrete Suggestion #2 : When your friends or relatives brag or gloat that this or that Serbian village got burned down, remind them that the war is over unless we as Albanians are dumb enough to slide down to the level of Milosevic. Early on some fools believed they?d somehow get Mitrovice/Trepce back if they ethnically cleansed the rest of Kosove. Well, let me remind you in stark terms what that does to Albanian credibility: it makes us Nazis. Fuck Godwin?s law, it makes us hi-tech low budget Nazis. And in case anyone failed to notice, the originals were a lot stronger and they got their asses smashed. That kinda shit is a fast-growing weed, no reason to deny the flower just because it hasn?t bloomed, the bud is now visible to observers. #3: If you happen to agree with ANY of my points let other Albanians know them, claim them as your own as you please?don?t just sit there telling Albanians what they want to hear. And encourage others to speak freely?and as civilly as you can convince them to! >>>>>>In addition, you seem to be completely pessimist on the future of the >>>>>>Kosovar youth, how can the youth ever progress when they have no >>>>>>encouragement from the leadership in Kosova. I hate to say it but >>>>>>Individuals, such as you, are not helping the situation by ?riding on >>>>>>adrenaline like angry children.? If you are not happy with the way >>>>>>the youth is reacting to the situation, then try to change it. This >>>>>>can be done with calmness and understanding.<<<<<< No you?re twisting my words, please read more carefully. I?m a realist, and have always had high hopes for Kosovars, and Illyria generally. Having so many young Albs means we can seize the future, we?re not burdened with large cadres of older professionals determined to do things the old fashioned way. Albs can evolve and grow rapidly, across all economic, political and cultural avenues. We have a culture that values intellect and inventiveness and entrepreneurial spirit. huge numbers of youth who want to own and master all the latest gadgets, and make real the good-life. Hell we also had a tremendous respect for our own laws and kanun?that?s why eroding our own civility enrages me. The people doing this need prodding from every angle to encourage their own critical thinking, so that Albanians can at least develop and encourage better leaders. The mystery is gone, we know Alb leadership will always be under severe pressure from within and without, and it?s a dead excuse?a dead excuse for egomaniacs and mafiosos and cowards and traitors and "traitors" and of course the mediocre. Re: older/wiser Albanians, I SAID TOO MANY WERE RIDING THE ADRENALINE OF ANGRY YOUTH. I?m riding my own prodigious adrenaline, thank you very much. I?ve seen/heard plenty of older Albanians who should know better actively encouraging youngsters to clean out the Serbs, to get into fights, to think criminally -- ooofah a whole juvenile-delinquent menu! The impression is of older Albs using the blood of their youngsters and of mostly innocent minorities?using that blood as a sort of psychotherapeutic tonic. ?At least they can do what I always wanted to? ? arrested development indeed. Some are convinced that America is somehow locked into backing the Albs no matter what. ?Empires have neither friends nor foes, only interests??if the American Empire loses interest in us rest assured the Slavic Empire still sees us as tasty-licious. And the only other deal, the Islamic Empire, wont be pulling off any strategic holds on European soil for a few decades yet kids, and only then amidst general d?tente (or Kosova and Bosnia would make a good strategic no man?s land guarding Europe against encroachment, in the event the EU or Russia took it upon themselves to nuke the South East Balkans to keep the Caliphate out). And of course the whole Albania/China thingy is sooooo totally over.....like rilly, fer sher. >>>>>>>>As far as your statement in which said, ?if any of you would like to >>>>>>>>confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, >>>>>>>>maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant >>>>>>>>child." Well, let?s see?all I can say is something my granduncle >>>>>>>>use to say to me, which is ?if a child does not cry, the parent will >>>>>>>>not know what the matter is.? In other words, if you do not express >>>>>>>>yourself then how will the international community know the facts? >>>>>>>>I do believe that getting the facts straight from both sides can at >>>>>>>>least allow people to judge the situation more accurately. I do not >>>>>>>>see this in any way as acting like a child. However, I think that >>>>>>>>if we do not raise our voices, then the situation will lead to >>>>>>>>incorrect assumptions and escalating consequences. Especially, when >>>>>>>>the NYtimes or any other credible media is spreading propaganda, we >>>>>>>>are obligated as Albanians to try to get the truth out.<<<<<<<<< I agree with your latter point, it is perfectly valid to demand unbiased coverage, diversity of sources and a declaration of epistemology (demanding that the journalist always specify what?s hearsay, what?s his opinion, what he personally witnessed and what he?s actually discovered, and what methods were used to get such information.) As for the 1st part of that paragraph, please understand I?m not trying to keep you from demanding accountability from the nytimes or anybody else, but I admit that your initial email came on a day when I?ve already argued with several people about this topic, and then the following emails were even more enflaming. You?re correct in assuming I was addressing you as well as Ylli (like 20/80), but in anybody?s case it?s critical that anybody reaching out to ?credible? media speak CREDIBLY, not just civilly. If you get a hold of them and sound like a very polite liar or polite knee-jerk apologist or both, they?re subsequent coverage will reflect that, too. >>>>>I tried to be as short and concise as I could. Best regards, Aferdita H.<<<<< And I tried to be polite and honest. Neither of us is perfect :) tung J _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar ? FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ From bacajar at seattle.navy.mil Mon Mar 22 08:11:10 2004 From: bacajar at seattle.navy.mil (GM3 Bacaj, Ardijan) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 08:11:10 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Jeton, A little advice Bro Message-ID: <0AB20A0308C3D711A1B800902712FB165D3AD5@aoe3upd01.seattle.navy.mil> Jeton, When you're trying to explain something, be simple and to the point. Dont ever critizice any Albanian that is putting in full effort to see that Albanians all over the world are getting fair and equal treatment. If you dont aggree with the opionions of the problems of Kosova with your fellow Albanians, do not harass them by trying to put them and their opinions down. I dont even know why Ms. Aferdita Hakaj would even want you writing a letter to the NY Times editor. You cant even understand the bullshit you write yourself. Do me a favor and stop judging the Albanian youth for they have been brave and courageous. Many of them have watched their fathers and brothers get massacred, their sisters raped and your here trying to be an INTERNET hero. Chill out, if you dont have anything positive to say, keep it to yourself. Ardijan Bacaj Plave, Mal Zi -----Original Message----- From: Jeton Ademaj [mailto:jeton at hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 1:29 AM To: nyc-l at alb-net.com Subject: [NYC-L] "Who's calling?" === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === Aferdite >>>>>>>Do you know what I think is sad? Hypocrites! I don't understand why >>>>>>>you go on and on criticizing Albanians on growing up (adulthood call >>>>>>>as you say) when you, yourself, use the f... word every other >>>>>>>sentence????? I would suggest on broadening your vocabulary skills. >>>>>>>Please don't take this the wrong way, just some advice from a fellow >>>>>>>Albanian.<<<<< I speak freely, and abjure all linguistic provincialisms. No principal is going to whack my knuckles or approach my mouth with a bar of soap, I have no constituents to vote me out of office and NO I haven't heard all that much off this list for me to particularly regret my language if I get booted off. You'd do better declaring that you were personally offended by the use of slang references clearly derived from slang speech. (eg. "fukn" in place of "fucking", (adj/adverb of "Fuck") an ancient English 'obscenity', itself both noun (as an action/transaction) and verb (to penetrate (phallicly?), commonly used for modifying emphasis in spoken English, controversial in dominant cultural context) . I do not begrudge you your intellectual posture but your larger response is evasive. >>>>>>Although I agree with many of you statements, I believe that you are >>>>>>complaining too much about all the problems and you seem not to >>>>>>suggest any solutions. Please do not misunderstand me, but if you >>>>>>attend to critique others, try to give some concrete suggestions on >>>>>>improvement.<<<<< I'm sorry but that is trite reasoning. You agree with what I'm saying but I'm saying it too much? (as rarely as I post anything?) I'm not offering solutions?? Honestly, your post calling for a mass response to a nytimes article was particularly counterproductive...you simply dont seem slick enough linguisticly or logically to be anything other than counterproductive writing to mass media. In fact, no one who takes a purely Albanian-defensive position can be credible in mass media at this point. So, Concrete Suggestion #1: speak/write credibly. For instance, PRECISELY what was biased about the nytimes article, and what bias exactly? Give me quotes, context and some talking points ..., hell if you convince me I'll swarm on them (and their new Public Editor) as well. Concrete Suggestion #2 : When your friends or relatives brag or gloat that this or that Serbian village got burned down, remind them that the war is over unless we as Albanians are dumb enough to slide down to the level of Milosevic. Early on some fools believed they'd somehow get Mitrovice/Trepce back if they ethnically cleansed the rest of Kosove. Well, let me remind you in stark terms what that does to Albanian credibility: it makes us Nazis. Fuck Godwin's law, it makes us hi-tech low budget Nazis. And in case anyone failed to notice, the originals were a lot stronger and they got their asses smashed. That kinda shit is a fast-growing weed, no reason to deny the flower just because it hasn't bloomed, the bud is now visible to observers. #3: If you happen to agree with ANY of my points let other Albanians know them, claim them as your own as you please...don't just sit there telling Albanians what they want to hear. And encourage others to speak freely...and as civilly as you can convince them to! >>>>>>In addition, you seem to be completely pessimist on the future of the >>>>>>Kosovar youth, how can the youth ever progress when they have no >>>>>>encouragement from the leadership in Kosova. I hate to say it but >>>>>>Individuals, such as you, are not helping the situation by "riding on >>>>>>adrenaline like angry children." If you are not happy with the way >>>>>>the youth is reacting to the situation, then try to change it. This >>>>>>can be done with calmness and understanding.<<<<<< No you're twisting my words, please read more carefully. I'm a realist, and have always had high hopes for Kosovars, and Illyria generally. Having so many young Albs means we can seize the future, we're not burdened with large cadres of older professionals determined to do things the old fashioned way. Albs can evolve and grow rapidly, across all economic, political and cultural avenues. We have a culture that values intellect and inventiveness and entrepreneurial spirit. huge numbers of youth who want to own and master all the latest gadgets, and make real the good-life. Hell we also had a tremendous respect for our own laws and kanun...that's why eroding our own civility enrages me. The people doing this need prodding from every angle to encourage their own critical thinking, so that Albanians can at least develop and encourage better leaders. The mystery is gone, we know Alb leadership will always be under severe pressure from within and without, and it's a dead excuse...a dead excuse for egomaniacs and mafiosos and cowards and traitors and "traitors" and of course the mediocre. Re: older/wiser Albanians, I SAID TOO MANY WERE RIDING THE ADRENALINE OF ANGRY YOUTH. I'm riding my own prodigious adrenaline, thank you very much. I've seen/heard plenty of older Albanians who should know better actively encouraging youngsters to clean out the Serbs, to get into fights, to think criminally -- ooofah a whole juvenile-delinquent menu! The impression is of older Albs using the blood of their youngsters and of mostly innocent minorities-using that blood as a sort of psychotherapeutic tonic. "At least they can do what I always wanted to" - arrested development indeed. Some are convinced that America is somehow locked into backing the Albs no matter what. "Empires have neither friends nor foes, only interests"-if the American Empire loses interest in us rest assured the Slavic Empire still sees us as tasty-licious. And the only other deal, the Islamic Empire, wont be pulling off any strategic holds on European soil for a few decades yet kids, and only then amidst general d?tente (or Kosova and Bosnia would make a good strategic no man's land guarding Europe against encroachment, in the event the EU or Russia took it upon themselves to nuke the South East Balkans to keep the Caliphate out). And of course the whole Albania/China thingy is sooooo totally over.....like rilly, fer sher. >>>>>>>>As far as your statement in which said, "if any of you would like to >>>>>>>>confront the international media's growing bias against Albanians, >>>>>>>>maybe you should try to avoid sounding like a guilty and petulant >>>>>>>>child." Well, let's see...all I can say is something my granduncle >>>>>>>>use to say to me, which is "if a child does not cry, the parent will >>>>>>>>not know what the matter is." In other words, if you do not express >>>>>>>>yourself then how will the international community know the facts? >>>>>>>>I do believe that getting the facts straight from both sides can at >>>>>>>>least allow people to judge the situation more accurately. I do not >>>>>>>>see this in any way as acting like a child. However, I think that >>>>>>>>if we do not raise our voices, then the situation will lead to >>>>>>>>incorrect assumptions and escalating consequences. Especially, when >>>>>>>>the NYtimes or any other credible media is spreading propaganda, we >>>>>>>>are obligated as Albanians to try to get the truth out.<<<<<<<<< I agree with your latter point, it is perfectly valid to demand unbiased coverage, diversity of sources and a declaration of epistemology (demanding that the journalist always specify what's hearsay, what's his opinion, what he personally witnessed and what he's actually discovered, and what methods were used to get such information.) As for the 1st part of that paragraph, please understand I'm not trying to keep you from demanding accountability from the nytimes or anybody else, but I admit that your initial email came on a day when I've already argued with several people about this topic, and then the following emails were even more enflaming. You're correct in assuming I was addressing you as well as Ylli (like 20/80), but in anybody's case it's critical that anybody reaching out to 'credible' media speak CREDIBLY, not just civilly. If you get a hold of them and sound like a very polite liar or polite knee-jerk apologist or both, they're subsequent coverage will reflect that, too. >>>>>I tried to be as short and concise as I could. Best regards, Aferdita H.<<<<< And I tried to be polite and honest. Neither of us is perfect :) tung J _________________________________________________________________ Get rid of annoying pop-up ads with the new MSN Toolbar - FREE! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200414ave/direct/01/ ____________________________________________________ NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l From Agideba at aol.com Mon Mar 22 11:05:50 2004 From: Agideba at aol.com (Agideba at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:05:50 EST Subject: [NYC-L] Happy Spring Day Albanian Holiday Message-ID: <12e.3d76aa9c.2d9068de@aol.com> Happy Spring Day Albanian Holiday March 22, Spring Day Festival in Albania Spring is nature's way of saying, "Let's party!" Agim Bacelli -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From FJag2025 at aol.com Mon Mar 22 15:35:36 2004 From: FJag2025 at aol.com (FJag2025 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:35:36 EST Subject: [NYC-L] Happy Spring Day Albanian Holiday Message-ID: what do you do to celebrate this holiday? -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 15:44:02 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:44:02 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] "heroes" Message-ID: Ardijan, I'll criticize when and how I see fit...you can either block my emails or simply step off. If you can't take the heat, get out of the ammo dump and put out your stupid molotov-cocktail before you blow yourself up! I made my points to Ms. Hakaj as thoroughly as a brief and acute counter-flaming allows...too bad it all went over your head. We're at a critical point, where we could quite possibly lose everything thanks to all that corrupting rage...and the opportunists using it. I already expect chumps like you to get defensive about deteriorating Albanian credibility, and I'm not stupid enough to leave arguments about Kosova's future to the likes of you. I'm nice n safe(?) here in America, I can just as easily ignore Albanian issues COMPLETELY if I so choose, and that's one of Albanian's worst kept secrets...BRAIN DRAIN. STOP TRYING TO SCARE AWAY ALBANIANS OBVIOUSLY SMARTER THAN YOU ;) As for being a so-called 'internet hero', i've actually done that already...see that's when you goto a NON-ALBANIAN forum and start ripping into every fukn Serbophile, Stalinist knee-jerk NATO-hating Islamophobic idiot you can refer to in writing, and other Albs applaud you for saying what they wanted to but didn't. HERE ONE CAN EXPECT NO SUCH PAT ON THE BACK. None of the scumbags listed above are here to thank me for ripping into you and Ylli and tartly correcting Aferdite, I'm stepping banzai style to critique Albs not for heroics but to ensure that the most rightful and successful IDEAS get propagated, magar! Though i WAS pleasantly surprised to get emails from various Albs AGREEING with me. I'm truly glad I'm not the only one who see the dangers Kosova and Albania face right now. WE MUST NOT KEEP SILENT--OR WE"LL HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME WHEN IT ALL TUMBLES DOWN... The only favor I'll do you is allowing you to claim my opinions as your own, and go offer them to every Albanian you can. Feel free to "value-add" any sugarcoating you please as long as they take the antibiotic and kill off the proto-fascist bug that has infected some of them. OH, and BESIDES being completely counter-productive to Albanian interests, I should add what I had thought would go without saying yet clearly MUST be said: "Ethnic Cleansing", removing a civilian population by direct or implied violence and terror, IS ******E*V*I*L******. FUCKING **************EVIL***************!!!!!!!!!!!! Whether Israel, or Nigeria, or Sudan, or Serbia, or Kosove........you shall ALWAYS reap what you sow. ANY nation that accepts the idea of Terror deserves and EARNS it's own destruction. Have a nice day. Jeton Ademaj >>>>>>When you're trying to explain something, be simple and to the point. >>>>>>Dont ever critizice any Albanian that is putting in full effort to see that Albanians all over the world are getting fair and equal treatment. If you dont aggree with the opionions of the problems of Kosova with your fellow Albanians, do not harass them by trying to put them and their opinions down. I dont even know why Ms. Aferdita Hakaj would even want you writing a letter to the NY Times editor. You cant even understand the bullshit you write yourself. Do me a favor and stop judging the Albanian youth for they have been brave and courageous. Many of them have watched their fathers and brothers get massacred, their sisters raped and your here trying to be an INTERNET hero. Chill out, if you dont have anything positive to say, keep it to yourself. Ardijan Bacaj Plave, Mal Zi<<<<<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________________ Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ From krasniqis at att.net Mon Mar 22 17:00:01 2004 From: krasniqis at att.net (krasniqis at att.net) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:00:01 +0000 Subject: [NYC-L] "heroes" Message-ID: <032220042200.9433.baf@att.net> Mr. Ademaj, I would suggest you to read at least two or three history books. Just to see how many nations have won their wars with ?YOUR CREDIBILITY* who cares about f? credibility? Just find at least one nation that you think has succeeded because the world sympathize with it. Everyone is responisble for his/her fate. I can find a million cases around the world where people are being slaughtered or dying for food every day, and ?we? in a civilized society don?t even know what?s happening. One thing should be known, ?It is very important to put yourself into somebody?s shoes.? I?ve been to Kosova a year ago. During the flight I was reading the paper. There was an article about AKSH. I had the same opinion back then just like Mr. Ademaj has now, and automatically started to complain, thinking that it is counterproductive for ?us.? One of my cousins said that ?Be her for a period time and see the situation from inside? Living in the US, we got used to a different life. For example, if you are not guilty of committing any crime, don?t worry (justice is in your side). For two weeks I got involved into fights twice with those lunatics and drug-users that went form every part of the world. My cousin laughed as I explained what happened when one of the foreign-cops kicked an object sitting on the floor that hit my leg and almost broke it, for being totally innocent. What about KFOR that brakes into houses terrorizing every member of the family for no reason, and keep shooting with camcorders every corner of the house. What about 85 % of unemployed? What about the Serbs that are treated way better than the Albanians? Etc. etc. etc. Come on man have some logic. It?s really easy to write form a nice and warm office or form your comfortable room, but you haven?t seen the dark side yet. I suggest you to go and do some research and see things closely. I?m optimistic for one, and only one thing, ?that our guys are becoming brave, brave enough: not to be scared of any scumbag that goes there and wants to take our freedom away. That is our one and only f? Credibility. One more thing, I do not know which side are you Mr. Ademaj? Best Ylli. > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > Ardijan, I'll criticize when and how I see fit...you can either block my > emails or simply step off. If you can't take the heat, get out of the ammo > dump and put out your stupid molotov-cocktail before you blow yourself up! I > made my points to Ms. Hakaj as thoroughly as a brief and acute > counter-flaming allows...too bad it all went over your head. We're at a > critical point, where we could quite possibly lose everything thanks to all > that corrupting rage...and the opportunists using it. > > I already expect chumps like you to get defensive about deteriorating > Albanian credibility, and I'm not stupid enough to leave arguments about > Kosova's future to the likes of you. > > I'm nice n safe(?) here in America, I can just as easily ignore Albanian > issues COMPLETELY if I so choose, and that's one of Albanian's worst kept > secrets...BRAIN DRAIN. STOP TRYING TO SCARE AWAY ALBANIANS OBVIOUSLY SMARTER > THAN YOU ;) > > As for being a so-called 'internet hero', i've actually done that > already...see that's when you goto a NON-ALBANIAN forum and start ripping > into every fukn Serbophile, Stalinist knee-jerk NATO-hating Islamophobic > idiot you can refer to in writing, and other Albs applaud you for saying > what they wanted to but didn't. HERE ONE CAN EXPECT NO SUCH PAT ON THE BACK. > None of the scumbags listed above are here to thank me for ripping into you > and Ylli and tartly correcting Aferdite, I'm stepping banzai style to > critique Albs not for heroics but to ensure that the most rightful and > successful IDEAS get propagated, magar! > > Though i WAS pleasantly surprised to get emails from various Albs AGREEING > with me. I'm truly glad I'm not the only one who see the dangers Kosova and > Albania face right now. WE MUST NOT KEEP SILENT--OR WE"LL HAVE NO ONE TO > BLAME WHEN IT ALL TUMBLES DOWN... > > The only favor I'll do you is allowing you to claim my opinions as your own, > and go offer them to every Albanian you can. Feel free to "value-add" any > sugarcoating you please as long as they take the antibiotic and kill off the > proto-fascist bug that has infected some of them. > > OH, and BESIDES being completely counter-productive to Albanian interests, I > should add what I had thought would go without saying yet clearly MUST be > said: > > "Ethnic Cleansing", removing a civilian population by direct or implied > violence and terror, IS ******E*V*I*L******. FUCKING > **************EVIL***************!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Whether Israel, or Nigeria, or Sudan, or Serbia, or Kosove........you shall > ALWAYS reap what you sow. > ANY nation that accepts the idea of Terror deserves and EARNS it's own > destruction. > > Have a nice day. > Jeton Ademaj > > >>>>>>When you're trying to explain something, be simple and to the point. > >>>>>>Dont > ever critizice any Albanian that is putting in full effort to see that > Albanians all over the world are getting fair and equal treatment. If you > dont aggree with the opionions of the problems of Kosova with your fellow > Albanians, do not harass them by trying to put them and their opinions down. > I dont even know why Ms. Aferdita Hakaj would even want you writing a > letter to the NY Times editor. You cant even understand the bullshit you > write yourself. > Do me a favor and stop judging the Albanian youth for they have been brave > and courageous. Many of them have watched their fathers and brothers get > massacred, their sisters raped and your here trying to be an INTERNET hero. > Chill out, if you dont have anything positive to say, keep it to yourself. > Ardijan Bacaj > Plave, Mal Zi<<<<<<<<<<<<< > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet > access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/ > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > From jeton at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 17:42:34 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 17:42:34 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Artful dodges and Treason... Message-ID: Ahh, Ylli? Ylli, Ylli,Ylli,Ylli? I do wonder if you?re even listening to me, the only thing I seem to be communicating to you is disapproval, which you find galling. Please tell me, do you consider one or more of my points invalid, or are you just changing the subject? 1) TELL ME **EXACTLY** WHAT HOPE ALBANIANS HAVE IF THEY ARE ABANDONED BY THE UNITED STATES. ENQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW! 2) TELL ME *ROUGHLY* HOW FAR YOU THINK THE USA CAN BE PUSHED BEFORE THEY ABANDON ALBANIANS. TELL ME WHY THEY HELP ALBANIANS AT ALL, THEN COMPARE THAT TO THE USA?S OTHER INTERESTS? 3) TELL ME THEN WHICH US INTERESTS WEIGH HEAVIER? If you cant do that, than all your saying is ?we?re mad as hell and we?re not going to take it anymore, out of the frying pan and into the fire!? I?m for Albanian/Illyrian survival and success. Tell me Ylli, with your easy answers and your Satanic sympathy (?there there, my fellow albos, strangle all the Serbian grannies you can, scare away foreigners and foreign cash and kick some peacekeeper ass and feel better, you?ll win the World that way!?), tell me whose side are YOU on!? ?I know you are, but what am I!? THAT should keep the Serbian tanks, Russian and any other armies at bay once the US dumps our asses, right? Get a grip. Best to you too, Jeton Ademaj >>>>>Mr. Ademaj, I would suggest you to read at least two or three history >>>>>books. Just to see how many nations have won their wars with ?YOUR >>>>>CREDIBILITY* who cares about f? credibility? Just find at least one >>>>>nation that you think has succeeded because the world sympathize with >>>>>it. Everyone is responisble for his/her fate. I can find a million >>>>>cases around the world where people are being slaughtered or dying for >>>>>food every day, and ?we? in a civilized society don?t even know what?s >>>>>happening. One thing should be known, ?It is very important to put >>>>>yourself into somebody?s shoes.? I?ve been to Kosova a year ago. During >>>>>the flight I was reading the paper. There was an article about AKSH. I >>>>>had the same opinion back then just like Mr. Ademaj has now, and >>>>>automatically started to complain, thinking that it is >>>>>counterproductive for ?us.? One of my cousins said that ?Be her for a >>>>>period time and see the situation from inside? Living in the US, we got >>>>>used to a different life. For example, if you are not guilty of >>>>>committing any crime, don?t worry (justice is in your side). For two >>>>>weeks I got involved into fights twice with those lunatics and >>>>>drug-users that went form every part of the world. My cousin laughed as >>>>>I explained what happened when one of the foreign-cops kicked an object >>>>>sitting on the floor that hit my leg and almost broke it, for being >>>>>totally innocent. What about KFOR that brakes into houses terrorizing >>>>>every member of the family for no reason, and keep shooting with >>>>>camcorders every corner of the house. What about 85 % of unemployed? >>>>>What about the Serbs that are treated way better than the Albanians? >>>>>Etc. etc. etc. Come on man have some logic. It?s really easy to write >>>>>form a nice and warm office or form your comfortable room, but you >>>>>haven?t seen the dark side yet. I suggest you to go and do some >>>>>research and see things closely. I?m optimistic for one, and only one >>>>>thing, ?that our guys are becoming brave, brave enough: not to be >>>>>scared of any scumbag that goes there and wants to take our freedom >>>>>away. That is our one and only f? Credibility. One more thing, I do >>>>>not know which side are you Mr. Ademaj? Best Ylli. _________________________________________________________________ All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn From jeton at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 18:31:10 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:31:10 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Kosova/Israel Message-ID: Oh, one more thing, some paralells i forgot to include: Israel has almost the entire world disapproving of it's treatment of Palestinians, but Israel's military strength is far greater than the Palestinians' desperate poverty, and Israel has the backing of the global hyper-power-- the USA. Kosova now has almost the entire world disapproving of it's treatment of Serbs, yet the Serbian army is vastly stronger than Albanians' desperate poverty, and Kosova is closer than it knows to losing it's only real backer-- the USA. I have real worries for those Israeli civilians whose very existence is at risk thanks to their own leaders, even with all their might and US backing. Let alone all the dispossesed Palestinians who'll be forced to suffer doubly. Now try and imagine how much more perilous it is for all those innocent Albanians whose very existence depends on US might, for NO we still have very little of our own, and many enemies who can't wait to chomp away at us if the US leaves. Unlike the Palestinians even, we have NO allies besides the US who can make real war on European soil... neither Turkey nor Pakistan are gonna step up to that plate, let's not even consider any other potential "allies"! Am I missing something? Do Albanians have some special hold over the USA, giving us total impunity to embarrass America? J _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From vxharra at hotmail.com Mon Mar 22 21:50:53 2004 From: vxharra at hotmail.com (Valon Xharra) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 02:50:53 +0000 Subject: [NYC-L] Good article by Augustin Palokaj Message-ID: This article appeared today on Koha Ditore. Cheers, Valoni Augustin Palokaj: Five years ruined in two days (Koha Ditore) Koha Ditore runs a commentary by its correspondent from Brussels, Augustin Palokaj, who writes: I have never imagined like this the fifth anniversary of the NATO intervention in Kosovo, the day that many Kosovar Albanians, including the witnesses that testified against Slobodan Milosevic at The Hague, have considered to be the happiest day of their lives. I?ve always had problems explaining to my European colleagues that someone can consider as his happiest day the day, when bombs started falling on their heads. I was only conveying the words of the victims who said ?it is better to die from NATO bombs, which we have waited for so anxiously, because they will bring an end to Milosevic?s rule in Kosovo, than to die from the hands of Serbian forces?, words like these, which were perceived as a proof of the horror that Kosovo Albanians experienced under Milosevic?s regime. At that time, we used to send messages with other Albanian colleagues from NATO that the latter would intervene and come out victorious, that Milosevic would be defeated and over a million Albanian refugees would return to their homes. All this happened. Now five years later I find myself entering the NATO Headquarters in Brussels due to the extraordinary situation in Kosovo, due to the extraordinary sessions of the NATO Council for Kosovo. I see faces that remind me of 1999 and the night that we spent in NATO waiting for even the smallest bit of information on what was happening in Kosovo and counting every single target that NATO planes were hitting in Serbia and Kosovo. I see Jamie Shea and his associates, now maybe forgotten by Kosovars, who are still working for NATO. But I notice a big difference. There is a lack of clarity on who is the victim in Kosovo now. In fact, even though they don?t like to blame one side or the other, the biggest disappointment falls with the Albanian side, because Serbs are now a minority and if the latter are expelled from Kosovo this would undoubtedly present a failure of NATO and the principles for which NATO intervened five years ago. All this outburst of violence caught NATO by surprise, because it was planning troop reductions in Kosovo and bigger commitment in Afghanistan, Iraq and the Middle East, and now they have to send additional troops to Kosovo. For five years, NATO also became part of the rhetoric of Kosovar leaders, EU and UN leaders, who said that major progress was achieved in Kosovo. There was really an impression that major progress was achieved, but everything that was built in five years proved to be so fragile that it could be ruined in two days. Now my colleagues compare Kosovo with Palestine, Congo, Sierra Leone and sometimes with Afghanistan from the Taliban era, but not with Europe. Palestine is the first thing that comes to mind when you see young Albanians under the smoke of teargas, with scarves around their faces, throwing stones at the police, while from Serb enclaves someone shoots at them with sniper fire. They remind of Congo and Sierra Leone when they hear that after the drowning of Albanian children in Mitrovica, Albanians launched a mass punishing expedition against Serbs in other parts of Kosovo by burning down their houses, and according to some reports, by burning even some people inside those houses. Some journalists compare the burning of Serb churches with the destruction of Buddha statues in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime. Bearing in mind that after this, Serbs burned mosques in Belgrade and Nis, although we don?t know the connection between those mosques and Kosovo Albanians, and then radical Muslims in Bosnia burned a Serb church. European electronic media, including the BBC, started without hesitation talking about a conflict between Muslims and Christians in Kosovo and the Balkans. Whether we Albanians like it or not, this is the way this is perceived by ordinary Europeans, who are no longer impressed by the saying that we Albanians had Mother Teresa and Gjergj Kastrioti ? Sk?nderbeu. NATO, the European Union and especially the United Nations have committed many mistakes, but I wouldn?t like to write about that now, because I fear that when they read the criticism against them, my fellow Albanians in Kosovo would think that the vandal acts of Albanians would have to be justified. Kosovars shouldn?t even criticize Belgrade because the regime there hasn?t been secretive about what it wants. Regardless of who was in power in Belgrade, they almost always had the mission of proving that the NATO intervention against them was unjust and unreasonable, that by helping Albanians NATO is responsible for the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, that only Serbs and their forces can maintain peace in Kosovo, that only the Serbian police and army can secure the protection of Serbs and their houses and churches in Kosovo and that Albanians and Serbs cannot live together and therefore Kosovo should be divided. What happened recently has served their constant claims. The hope that the consequences of ruining of the entire system in Kosovo becomes smaller after the statement made by Kosovo Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi, who said that the government would set up a special fund for the reconstruction of Serb churches, and this will help to prove that the Kosovo institutions don?t share the opinion of vandals and hooligans and that they consider Serb churches to belong to Kosovo. But this is going to be easier than the expectations of the international community that the organizers or initiators of these acts should be publicly and legally punished. It will be now much more difficult for Kosovars to show their political, institutional and intellectual maturity, to prove the maturity that is expected from those who say they want a state. Even the international community is confused and doesn?t know what to say at this point, because for them what happened in Kosovo is identical with the position of Albanians who spent years in building their houses and then Serb soldiers would destroy them in one day. Honesty from all sides is required to emerge from this crisis. International politicians must speak their minds about Kosovar leaders, what they really think. NATO shouldn?t endanger its credibility by trying to convince us that such a strong alliance is incapable of unblocking the road that links from Prishtina to Skopje and that local Serbs can block it whenever they feel like it. NATO should finally take control over northern Mitrovica, where Serb paramilitaries roam freely, and not try to convince us that this is not true. A Croatian journalist wrote yesterday that a bearded man with an AK47 entered a bus in northern Mitrovica and started legitimizing people. The European Union should finally make it clear whether it is serious when in the conclusions of the minister meetings it demands the dismantling of parallel structures in Kosovo, because while Belgrade finances parallel structures the EU is providing financial assistance to Belgrade. Kosovar media should focus on the responsibility of Kosovars and not become part of the patriotic comfort according to which Serbs and the international community are to blame for everything. Western media only describe the actions of Albanians, while they criticize the international community. What the media in Kosovo should not do is act like Serbian media do. The headlines in Serbian media yesterday and the day before that read ?Kosovo in blood ? Serbia rises?, ?A blood to the heart for Serbia?, ?The pogrom of Serbs in Kosovo directed by Americans?, and not a single word about Albanian victims, on the contrary, there are quotes from the statement allegedly made by UNMIK Police spokesman Derek Chappell or the misinterpretation of statements ? that Serbs have nothing to do with the drowning of the children. Consolation comes from professional headlines in Koha Ditore and Z?ri that report about victims on both sides, that criticize their own side, and this gives hope that we don?t learn only from the Serb regime and their media. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From dardan at alb-net.com Mon Mar 22 22:12:37 2004 From: dardan at alb-net.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:12:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NYC-L] Pyetje rreth Kornizes Ligjore Message-ID: Tung, Nese dikush ka me teper informata, a mund te me tregoje pse parlamenti i Kosoves nuk e themelon nje "Agjenci te Lajmeve te Kosoves"? Pasi qe fjala "shteterore" ne "Agjenci Shteterore e Informimit" mund ti vraje veshet e UNMIK-ut, krijimi i nje Agjencie te Lajmeve (pa perdorur pjesen "shteterore") nga Parlamenti do ti ndihmonte shume Kosoves. Poashtu, nuk pashe asgje ne Kornizen Ligjore qe e ndalon krijimin e kesaj agjencie. Kosova ka mjaft gazeta, revista, tri televizione qe shihen ne te gjithe Evropen... por nuk ka agjenci te lajmeve. Ato qe vepronin si agjenci para 1999 tani jane shenderruar ne zedhenese te partive politike... Dardani 5.4 The Provisional Institutions of Self-Government shall also have the following responsibilities in the field of mass media: (a) Adopting laws and enforcement mechanisms in accordance with international human rights and freedom of expression standards as contained in Articles 19 and 29 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms and its Protocols to prevent defamation or hate speech in the Kosovo systems of mass media; (b) Regulating broadcast media consistent with these international legal constraints and the best European practices through an independent media commission, whose members will be appointed by the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government from nominations submitted by non-governmental and non-political organizations in Kosovo; these members will include both genders and will reflect the ethnic and regional diversity of Kosovo society; (c) Guaranteeing the editorial independence of the public broadcaster by safeguarding the independence of its Board, whose members will be appointed by the Provisional Institutions of Self-Government from nominations submitted by non-governmental and non-political organizations in Kosovo; these members will include both genders and will reflect the ethnic and regional diversity of Kosovo society; and (d) Establishing an office or offices of public information to present the Institutions' deliberations and decisions to the international and local media. From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 07:59:22 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:59:22 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] fwd:Greeks Probe Muslims Ahead of Olympics Message-ID: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=535&e=4&u=/ap/20040323/ap_on_sp_ol/oly_olympics_muslims Greeks Probe Muslims Ahead of Olympics 34 minutes ago Add World - AP to My Yahoo! By DEREK GATOPOULOS, Associated Press Writer ATHENS, Greece - Greek police have increased scrutiny of Muslim immigrant groups and makeshift mosques in Athens ? a city with no official place of worship for Muslims ? ahead of the Aug. 13-29 Olympics. The surveillance, confirmed to The Associated Press by police sources, was intensified following the deadly train bombings in Madrid on March 11 and seeks to gain insights into Greece's small and often insular communities of nonnative Muslims. Greece has no record of Muslim extremist activity ? as in other parts of Europe such as France or Britain ? and many immigrants from the Middle East and elsewhere exist on the margins of Greek society in off-the-books jobs or as day laborers. Greece has struggled with domestic terror, most notably from the far-left group November 17, which targeted U.S. and other Western officials. The group was broken up and 15 of its members were jailed last year, leaving police to deal with a few minor homegrown militants. Authorities have only a sketchy perception of the Muslim community. Information is so sparse that even population figures for immigrants in Greece are based on guesswork. The flow of immigrants who try to slip into Greece never stops. Thousands of illegal migrants from Asia, the Middle East and Eastern Europe head to Greece each year, causing concern among those in charge of Olympic security ? an effort that is costing more than $800 million and involves 50,000 police and troops. European Union (news - web sites) security officials, at an emergency meeting in Brussels, Belgium, on Friday, said they are considering closer cross-border cooperation to fight terrorism. "The EU has very limited resources for that kind of thing at the moment," said Daniel Keohane, a security and defense analyst at the Center for European Reform in London. "Al-Qaida does not respect borders." This is one of chief worries for Greek authorities. There are many ways to sneak into Greece: over mountains from Balkan neighbors or aboard ships run by smugglers from Turkey. Some Greek islands are just a few minutes' boat ride from the Turkish mainland. Trying to keep up with the evolving immigrant population is a major task. Greek intelligence officials are expanding screening and profiling of people caught entering the country illegally. Police, meanwhile, have increased document checks and inspections on some two dozen makeshift mosques around Athens. Greek authorities would not give details of the operations. But police sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the surveillance has been expanded following the Spanish attacks and local Muslims have been recruited to give insights into the various Muslim groups. The effort is complicated by the fact Greece has no official mosque or central gathering points for Muslims. Private prayer sites have been created out of basements, warehouses and empty building spaces. At a converted coffee shop with painted-over windows, construction workers from Egypt, clothing makers from Syria, and street vendors from Iraq (news - web sites) gather to hear readings from the Quran. "I don't know what the 300 people who come here for prayers are doing," said the prayer leader, Kassem Breash, a Palestinian who came to Greece from Lebanon in 1990. "The police and the crime squad have come many times. But they are polite and they don't bother anyone." Plans to build an Islamic center and mosque ? the first in Athens since Ottoman times ? have stalled following opposition from local residents and the powerful Greek Orthodox Church. Estimates of the number of Muslims in Athens vary considerably ? from around 50,000 to 100,000. There are also an estimated 500,000 immigrants from Albania, which has a mixed Christian and Muslim population. The immigrants are distinct from Greece's native 120,000-strong Muslim minority, mostly ethnic Turks who live in the northeast of the country where many mosques operate. Human rights groups say additional scrutiny of immigrant groups before the Athens Games is understandable, but warn against profiling and say building a legal mosque would help. "When (mosques) are illegal, then what you're afraid of is more likely to happen," said Panayote Dimitras of the rights group Greek Helsinki Monitor. Insecurity runs deep in the Muslim community. "I think (2004) will be difficult for immigrants," said Moawia Ahmed, a soft-spoken Internet cafe owner from Sudan. "There will be deportations before the Olympic games as a security measure. Many people believe this." "In a single day they may stop me in the street to check my papers three, four or five times," said Ahmed, who runs an immigrant support network. "We stand out." _________________________________________________________________ Free up your inbox with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage. Multiple plans available. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ From bacajar at seattle.navy.mil Tue Mar 23 09:59:32 2004 From: bacajar at seattle.navy.mil (GM3 Bacaj, Ardijan) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:59:32 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] to the Master of the UNiverse < J Ademaj> Message-ID: <0AB20A0308C3D711A1B800902712FB165D3ADE@aoe3upd01.seattle.navy.mil> With all due respects man, there is no reason for you to be calling me a chump. Aren't we all Albanians ? Our ambitions all the same, Independence for Kosova? Some of us have different beliefs on how that goal should be accomplished. You know, with you coming on here 4-5 times every single day, consistently harassing people about their opinions and trying to make this perception that your a Political Genius, know it all GOD doesn't help. You aren't really kicking any knowledge to me or anyone else for that matter. You come on here yapping your jaws away about Albanians and horrors they are committing to Serbs. I haven't had the chance to actually keep up with the news as much as I would like, but tell me how many Serbs have died in this escalation? Serbs have been slaughtering Albanians since their existence in Europe. How many different peoples have conquered your mother-land? How many of your ancestors died in the hands of a Serb? I know you have probably read it, but Noel Malcolm's KOSOVA is the perfect book for the answers to my questions. Blaming Albanians for raping Serbian women? Thats unfathomable. I have never met an Albanian that would be capable of committing such an act, and I know you havent or anyone you know. Serbs in Kosova rape their own women then blame it on Albanians. America/Western World is aware of Serbian propoganda. When times get rough in Kosova, thats when the political Geniuses come out and point fingers. Dont point a finger, if you dont have a solution! Do something constructive with your life that would give you the opportunity to directly help in improving the status of Kosova and all of Shqiperija i.e. ambassador/congressman/senator. strength & honor to all the do-or- die Albanians. The ones that lose sleep at night thinking of their loved ones in Kosova. Families all divided living in America Switzerland Germany Sweden Australia France all because of the Cetniks. y0 im out From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 11:39:24 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:39:24 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them Message-ID: With all due respect, I HAVE met Albanians capable of heinous acts, and I?d bet YOU have as well. I also KNOW that too many ?people who matter? (among them ?ambassadors, senators and congressman?) ALSO have met Albanians capable of such acts. And you know what else? Those VIPs are also truly coming to believe that Albanians can?t keep their own house clean! They read pure delusional pap like yours (?Bigups to all mah Al-bay-nee-yan homeez, yo, Yo, YO! FIGHT DA POWER!! Right here for you, Zemerrrrr!!!?) and they really wonder if they wouldn?t do better to return Kosova to Serbia! I?m sorry if you can?t fathom what?s happening, let?s all hope you can start some serious fathoming real fast!! Yes I?m stupid for arguing with you, and your ?arguments? are of course stupid. All that?s beside the point, I?m uninterested in what you think I have to ?gain? by arguing with you. Like I said, I also have nothing to lose, besides my extended family in another Serbian pogrom after the US abandons us! If insulting you were the point, there?s far worse things to call you than ?chump?. I?d verbally disintegrate you well before the Besnik and Mentor could eject me? If being an ?Internet Hero? were the point, you?d all be hearing about how I (me Me MEE!) am uniquely qualified to fix everything?I never claimed any such thing. I?m not JUST for an Independent Kosova, I?m for AN INDEPENDENT ********WHOLE******** KOSOVA! As you admit, you have NOT been reading up on the latest or speaking to people, so perhaps you can be FORGIVEN for IGNORING the sudden, dangerous tilt in the UN?s, the EU?s and *****THE *U*S*A*?s disposition towards Albanian Interests. Stupid is as Stupid does, or doesn?t do. Please wake up, Nick Gage visits Tirane freely, international organizations take Kosova partition seriously (THANKS TO ***ALBANIAN*** stupidity, violence and gullibility!!) and Russia under Putin would be delighted to take the Balkan Basket Case off America?s hands, if America were to but sigh and agree? WHAT SHALL YOU DO TO STOP THAT? TELL EVERYBODY. At least I gave concrete suggestions, all you?ve given so far is bitch-ass shout-outs. Jeton Ademaj PS: I doubt you can ?win? this. The best you can hope for is baiting me into crossing a line the list-mods can?t ignore?you have offered nothing of substance so far, either in the way of counter-argument or in the way of insult. Never mind me (me Me MEEEE!!!), do you just want to sugar-talk your fellow Albanians no matter what cliff we drive off of? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>With all due respects man, there is no reason for you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be calling me a chump. Aren't we all Albanians ? Our ambitions all the same, Independence for Kosova? Some of us have different beliefs on how that goal should be accomplished. You know, with you coming on here 4-5 times every single day, consistently harassing people about their opinions and trying to make this perception that your a Political Genius, know it all GOD doesn't help. You aren't really kicking any knowledge to me or anyone else for that matter. You come on here yapping your jaws away about Albanians and horrors they are committing to Serbs. I haven't had the chance to actually keep up with the news as much as I would like, but tell me how many Serbs have died in this escalation? Serbs have been slaughtering Albanians since their existence in Europe. How many different peoples have conquered your mother-land? How many of your ancestors died in the hands of a Serb? I know you have probably read it, but Noel Malcolm's KOSOVA is the perfect book for the answers to my questions. Blaming Albanians for raping Serbian women? Thats unfathomable. I have never met an Albanian that would be capable of committing such an act, and I know you havent or anyone you know. Serbs in Kosova rape their own women then blame it on Albanians. America/Western World is aware of Serbian propoganda. When times get rough in Kosova, thats when the political Geniuses come out and point fingers. Dont point a finger, if you dont have a solution! Do something constructive with your life that would give you the opportunity to directly help in improving the status of Kosova and all of Shqiperija i.e. ambassador/congressman/senator. strength & honor to all the do-or- die Albanians. The ones that lose sleep at night thinking of their loved ones in Kosova. Families all divided living in America Switzerland Germany Sweden Australia France all because of the Cetniks. y0 im out <<<<<<<<<< _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee? Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From bacajar at seattle.navy.mil Tue Mar 23 12:45:13 2004 From: bacajar at seattle.navy.mil (GM3 Bacaj, Ardijan) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:45:13 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Lies and the Lying Liars who tell them Message-ID: <0AB20A0308C3D711A1B800902712FB165D3AE2@aoe3upd01.seattle.navy.mil> Lets hop in our Yugo and start the investigation. You'll be Starsky & I will be Hutch and we will find these people that are capable of committing such " heinous" acts and apprehend them..I need phone numbers, addresses, pictures, and receipts if possible. Who do you know that's capable of committing such crimes? your exclusive Serbian counter-parts. Don't send me any more e-mails. Your despicable & make me sick! From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Mar 23 13:01:10 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:01:10 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] good night, daffy duck! Message-ID: If your Desitin ever dries out of your diaper and you feel mature enough to face facts, feel free to resume discussion of the real dangers and opportunities facing Albanians right now... don't crash your yugo on the way home, Hutch. drive safely! j >>>>>>> Lets hop in our Yugo and start the investigation. You'll be Starsky & I will be Hutch and we will find these people that are capable of committing such " heinous" acts and apprehend them..I need phone numbers, addresses, pictures, and receipts if possible. Who do you know that's capable of committing such crimes? your exclusive Serbian counter-parts. Don't send me any more e-mails. Your despicable & make me sick! <<<<<<< _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ From bacajar at seattle.navy.mil Wed Mar 24 07:03:18 2004 From: bacajar at seattle.navy.mil (GM3 Bacaj, Ardijan) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:03:18 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] sorry about that Message-ID: <12F68B189B28ED4AA1641C2CAC85EF01222DE0@aoe3upd01.seattle.navy.mil> Mos fol pa lidhje. You got this guy coming on 10 times a day humiliating Albanians . Now i know why Serbs have had the edge on Albanians throughout history. Because we have weak Albanians such as this homo thats always slamming Albanians with negativbe remarks. selling Albania and Albanians away with words. We dont need that shit. I just got tired of receiving these emails myself so I had to try and shut his punk ass up.. and i know i know people like me bring Albanian credibility down...i apologize for coming on this forum. it was my first time. i know you educated and civilized American Albanians handle things differently around here From jeton at hotmail.com Wed Mar 24 13:50:07 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:50:07 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Truth Hurts, like Disinfectant... Message-ID: Too bad you didn't learn your lesson, Hutch. I was literally about to apologize to the list-mods for wasting time dissing/dismissing the likes of you when I just caught this latest squealing you had to offer. Step off, you mangy little idiot. READ a newspaper, call your Senator if you think you're remotely credible...come back and let us ALL know what reaction you get when you brown-nose Albanians' mistakes! "Albanians are not capable of *anything bad*, our shit don't stink, it's LIES LIES ALLLLL LIIIIEESSSSSS!!" --- that didn't work for the Serbs, and it can't work for us either, idiot. The Serbs wisened up when they realized how many piddling Albanian scumbags like yourself there are, and how very easy you are to manipulate. So they've been stringing you along with Mitrovice and some tiny-ass Serb villages as the bait, and like the pure idiot you are you go following the bait around...ho-hum. At least Albs LIVING there have the excuse of facing continual provocation and humiliation! Since you seem unwilling to wise up yourself, let alone work with other Albanians toward better strategies, AT LEAST your silly ideas are only getting spouted off here online...right? Yer, uhh.....yer not going around with your bs to any non-Albanians, right? Please tell me yer not staining the hard-won honor of Albanians thru the years with the excretions from your mouth and 'brain'? As for my 'punk ass', mebbe you should leave my rectum outta yer mouth and talk about a way to repair the growing damage in the US-Kosovar relationship! AS FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT DISLIKES LIKE ALL THE RANCOR, LET ****ONE**** OF YOU ADDRESS THE MAIN POINT---HOW VERY CLOSE WE ARE TO LOSING NORTH-KOSOVE THANKS TO THE MIS-DIRECTED ANGER OF KOSOVAR YOUTH, THE INCOMPETENCE OF THEIR LEADERS AND THE ASS-KISSING, KINDERGARTDEN WANNA-BE PROPAGANDA OF DEFENSIVE EX-PATRIOTS!! Also, becuz I see now how these twerps work, I'm making a promise to the list. I'm going to try to seperate my posts into two categories....dry political commentary vs Flames. Flames will have (xxx) in the subject line, and i'll nicely par-broil all comers. For those who find the Flames too hot, you can skip them...tho that means for the likes of Ylli or this putz I'll be responding TWICE, once like a diplomat and the second time (xxx) like a serial-killer ;) So Ardie, you've been meowing fer days now. Besides insulting me and denying ANY Albanian error whatsoever, do you have ANYTHING else at ALL? I doubt it, but surprise us if you can. Seriously... J >>>>>>>> Mos fol pa lidhje. You got this guy coming on 10 times a day humiliating Albanians . Now i know why Serbs have had the edge on Albanians throughout history. Because we have weak Albanians such as this homo thats always slamming Albanians with negativbe remarks. selling Albania and Albanians away with words. We dont need that shit. I just got tired of receiving these emails myself so I had to try and shut his punk ass up.. and i know i know people like me bring Albanian credibility down...i apologize for coming on this forum. it was my first time. i know you educated and civilized American Albanians handle things differently around here _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms ? all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Mar 25 00:19:43 2004 From: jeton at hotmail.com (Jeton Ademaj) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:19:43 -0500 Subject: [NYC-L] Serb Salesmanship (link) Message-ID: Here's an example of the kind of toxic-waste spillage Albanians can expect from Belgrade...many of the assertions are boldly innaccurate, and the piece itself is too long and silly for most people. However, many of the lies there-in show an evolving Serbian propaganda strategy. Scroll all the way down to the bottom for the author's "7 points" for a summary, some of them aren't new but the packaging and re-focus certainly are... Incidentally, I found the link on www.Antiwar.com...one of the more reliably anti-Albanian websites on Earth. Know your enemies, etc.. http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST032304.html _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp From dardan at alb-net.com Thu Mar 25 16:45:29 2004 From: dardan at alb-net.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 16:45:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [NYC-L] Serb Salesmanship (link) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeton, Unfortunately, Kosova is in a PR catastrophy. "Kosova's Gov't in Exile" in the 90's did a much better job... I mean they had even hired a PR firm. As far as I can see, nothing is being done in Kosova that represents the event as they happen' without being "processed" in Belgrade prior to being distributed to the rest of the world. The only news sources cited in the news reports are from BETA, B92, RTS, TANJUG etc... The "volunteers" that were active on the net (you know who I'm talking about) are no longer active, hoping that the Kosova Gov't will continue to work on informing the world... and all we got after 1999 are political party websites that publish news (albanian only of course) that may get them more points for the next election for the fake parliament and the fake presidency. That is why sites like this one make up 98% of the Kosova related sites on the web... Dardani On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Jeton Ademaj wrote: > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > Here's an example of the kind of toxic-waste spillage Albanians can expect > from Belgrade...many of the assertions are boldly innaccurate, and the piece > itself is too long and silly for most people. > However, many of the lies there-in show an evolving Serbian propaganda > strategy. Scroll all the way down to the bottom for the author's "7 points" > for a summary, some of them aren't new but the packaging and re-focus > certainly are... > > Incidentally, I found the link on www.Antiwar.com...one of the more reliably > anti-Albanian websites on Earth. Know your enemies, etc.. > > > http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/News/Trifkovic04/NewsST032304.html > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and > safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > From ditaaa at yahoo.com Thu Mar 25 20:26:45 2004 From: ditaaa at yahoo.com (Aferdita Hakaj) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:26:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NYC-L] THE INTERNATIONAL CAMPAIGN FOR THE INDEPENDENCE OF KOSOVA NOW Message-ID: <20040326012645.13932.qmail@web9906.mail.yahoo.com> Please sign the petition for Kosova's independence! 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By Zeljko Cvijanovic in >Belgrade > >PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THREATENS MACEDONIA WITH PARALYSIS Crvenkovski's >victory likely to lead to months of horsetrading and squabbling over posts. > By Ana Petruseva in Skopje > >SERBS WEIGH UP KOSOVO OPTIONS Violence leaves the Serbian minority >wondering whether they will all have to leave. By Tanja Matic in Gracanica >and Tanja Vujisic in north Mitrovica > >COMMENT: LET'S MOVE FORWARD We have seen how hatred can destroy us - now >Serbs and Albanians must work together to rebuild Kosova. By Hashim Thaci >in Pristina > >****************** VISIT IWPR ON-LINE: www.iwpr.net *************** > >IRAQI PRESS MONITOR. IWPR launches the Iraqi Press Monitor, a daily survey >of the main stories in Iraq's newspapers. To find out more, or to subscribe >please go to: >http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?iraq_ipm_index.html > >FREE SUBSCRIPTION. Readers are urged to subscribe to IWPR's full range of >electronic publications at: http://www.iwpr.net/sub_form.html > >****************** VISIT IWPR ON-LINE: www.iwpr.net *************** > >KOSOVO RADICALS TURN ON UN AND NATO > >International forces fear they are now the target of Albanian extremists. > >By Jeta Xharra in Pristina > >UN and KFOR forces in Kosovo are on heightened alert after receiving >information that fresh attacks may follow the recent spate of shootings and >killings in the region. > >The internationals fear extremist groups among the Albanian majority are >now specifically targeting them, after two UN police officers were killed >and two KFOR soldiers were wounded this week. > >Angela Joseph, the UN police spokesperson, said, "We are still in a very >seriously dangerous position and we are taking all measures to ensure we >are prepared for everything." > >The most recent attacks occurred on March 24, when a Serb male threw a hand >grenade at KFOR troops in the northern sector of the divided town of >Mitrovica, injuring two French soldiers. The man was arrested. > >Later in the day, Kosovo Police Service, KPS, officers came under gunfire >from a vehicle that rushed through their checkpoint. After an exchange of >fire, they arrested an ethnic Albanian male. > >However, the most serious blow came earlier with the double murder of two >UN police officers, one from Kosovo and the second from Ghana. > >Police reports said the two men were sitting in their car in the village of >Sakovica near Podujevo, when another car pulled up alongside and the >occupants opened fire with Kalashnikov automatic rifles. > >The attack is thought to have been the work of Albanian nationalists living >in the Podujevo area, a northern town near the Serbian border. > >Podujevo was a Kosovo Liberation Army, KLA, stronghold during the 1998 and >1999 conflict. Police shot and wounded one of the assailants as he was >running away from the scene. > >Neeraj Singh, a UN spokesperson, confirmed that the body of one male - >possibly the killer - was later found in a village near where the >shootings occurred. Four other people have been arrested in relation to the >murders. > >The latest attacks took place well after the ethnic rioting that saw 22 >people killed and 600 wounded. About 150 international peacekeepers were >injured during three days of violence, most of them caught in cross fire >between Serbs and Albanians, rather than being targeted deliberately. > >About 4,366 people have been displaced, of whom 300 are Albanian and the >rest Serbs, Romas and Ashkalis. > >As police and troops gear up for the possibility of fresh attacks, barbed >wire and sandbags have been used to secure KPS, UN police and KFOR >buildings in Podujevo. > >A Czech soldier on duty in the town said, "We have been told we are in >danger, that more attacks can take place. So we are taking precautions." > >As recently deployed British reinforcements patrol Pristina, several >streets in the centre of the city around the UN headquarters and UN police >central station have been sealed off for civilian vehicles. > >Analysts fear the security forces can expect new attacks in revenge for UN >police arrests of more than 200 people following the riots. > >More than a week since these clashes, officials are still giving out little >information concerning the names of those who died, the places where they >died, or their ethnic background. > >Both KFOR and UN police appear reluctant to reveal this information, >fearing it might incite a fresh revolt among the extremists. > >The danger of further attacks was confirmed by Bajram Rexhepi, the prime >minister of Kosovo. > >"We are appealing for calm but we fear more revolts will follow if the >situation remains in this limbo and the status quo does not change," >Rexhepi told a press conference on March 25, referring to the current >political impasse over the territory's future. > >While the precise identity of the extremists responsible for the recent >violence remains unclear, the finger of suspicion points at a couple of >far-right extremists, such as the National Movement for the Freedom of >Kosovo, LKCK, whose rhetoric appears to be hardening towards the UN and >KFOR. > >Fatmir Humolli, the head of LKCK, openly predicts new revolts against the >UN and KFOR, which he describes as an occupation force. > >"It is obvious political means have failed, so we are ready to use other >means," Humolli was reported as saying in the March 26 edition of the main >newspaper, Koha Ditore. > >Extremist politicians like Humolli do not appear ready for any compromise. >Their rhetoric demands that the international administration and KFOR >troops pull out of Kosovo. > >Whether a fresh revolt can count on popular support is debatable. However, >not all the people of Kosovo are hostile to the international forces. > >Earlier this week, Luljeta Vuniqi, 46, handed a bouquet of daffodils to a >British soldier at a demonstration held in front of the National Theatre in >Pristina to celebrate the fifth anniversary of the NATO bombing, which led >to the Serbian withdrawal. > >"I am here to show not all Albanians are ungrateful to NATO for liberating >them," she said. "Some people may have thrown stones at them last week but >I give them flowers today." > >If the worst-case scenario does unfold, UN officials have drawn up an >evacuation plan, which involves staff keeping money aside for immediate >withdrawal to Thessaloniki in northern Greece and restricting their travel >around the territory so that they can be pulled back to Pristina rapidly. > >"I have already packed my most valuable things in case I need to leave >fast," one UN official said. > >Jeta Xharra is an IWPR project manager in Pristina. > > >BELGRADE CLAIMS KOSOVO DIPLOMACY COUP > >New government hopes its handling of the crisis has turned the West against >Albanians. > >By Zeljko Cvijanovic in Belgrade > >Serbia's new government under Vojislav Kostunica has successfully >marshalled public anger over the Kosovo crisis, defusing a situation that >threatened to radicalise public opinion and give rise to nationalist >passions, analysts say. > >Defying predictions that the multi-party minority administration would >quickly succumb to its internal strains, Kostunica's team handled the >inflammatory news from Kosovo with a sense of purpose that has surprised >even its supporters. > >After first reports of clashes broke on Serbian radio and TV in the night >of March 17-18, about ten hours after violence against the Kosovo Serbs >erupted, there was, however, a threat of political radicalisation and even >the new government's collapse. > >As large crowds staged violent protests in Belgrade and Nis, in southern >Serbia, setting fire to two mosques, the situation seemed to be slipping >out of control. > >While the public first blamed the new interior minister Dragan Jocic for >his slow response, the government soon regained the initiative, condemning >the burning of the mosques in Serbia in strong terms. > >Appeals from some government officials that Serbia-Montenegro's army should >even force its way back into Kosovo, regardless of the position of the >international community which runs the province, were soon eclipsed by >vigorous statements from the government that avoided an escalation of the >crisis. > >Defence Minister Boris Tadic said it was unacceptable for crowds of thugs >to shape Serbia's image abroad. Their only answer to the violence against >Kosovo Serbs was to torch other places of worship, he remarked. > >"Warmongers, bearing no responsibility for the actions of the state and who >keep on calling for military intervention - to the detriment of our >security interests and in violation of UN Resolution 1244 - must be >silenced," he said. > >Claiming the crisis could not be solved without international aid, the >Serbian government on March 17 called for an emergency session of the UN >Security Council. > >The next day, Foreign Minister Goran Svilanovic and Kostunica's advisor, >Slobodan Samardzic, flew to New York and Washington to urge the >international community to prevent a pogrom of Kosovo's remaining Serbs and >condemn ethnic Albanian extremists. > >At home, Belgrade urged all the parties in parliament on March 18 to rally >round a platform that Kosovo could not be defended militarily, but only >politically. > >According to political analyst Obrad Kesic, the Belgrade authorities have >passed their first big test in Kosovo. > >"The government has shown its maturity and successfully tackled its first >serious challenge," he said, adding that ministers had succeeded >surprisingly well in forging a political consensus. > >A benchmark of the government's success in winning over influential >nationalist circles and persuading them to support a peaceful resolution to >the crisis was the involvement of Amfilohije Radovic, Bishop of Montenegro. > >Though best known in public for his strong Serb nationalist views, the >Orthodox bishop appeared in front of the burning mosque in Belgrade to urge >the angry crowd not to torch it. > >Although his appeal fell on deaf ears, his words triggered a chain reaction >from within nationalist circles, most of whom then strongly condemned the >attack on the Belgrade mosque. > >Even the ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party, SRS, Serbia's biggest >opposition party, condemned the attack, instead of trying to ride a wave of >public protest and toppling the administration, as many at first expected. > >By integrating the influential Radicals into the political mainstream, >Kostunica has ensured that no party has been in a position to score >political points. > >Serbia was also rewarded with international condemnation of the Kosovo >Albanian extremists. > >Peter Schieder, President of the Council of Europe's Parliamentary >Assembly, sent an open letter to Kosovo's prime minister, Bajram Rexhepi, >rebuking him for failing to clearly condemn violence in the province. > >"The absence of clear and unambiguous condemnation by the Albanian >leadership of the violence against the Serbs in Kosovo is a disgrace," >Schieder said. > >On March 19, NATO's commander for Southeast Europe, Gregory Johnson, >tellingly described the violence in Kosovo as "ethnic cleansing"; this term >became notorious in the 1990s in connection with Serbian attacks on Muslims >and Croats in Bosnia. > >France, which has contributed the largest contingent of troops to KFOR, >also condemned the violence against the Kosovo Serbs. > >The chorus of foreign support has created an impression in Serbia that >Kostunica's government has succeeded in changing international perceptions >not only of Kosovo but of Serbia, too. > >Political analyst Zoran Lutovac says it has largely wiped out earlier >unfavourable foreign reactions to the new government, based on its decision >to rely on the support of Slobodan Milosevic's old Socialist party in >parliament. > >"We need to be reminded that Serbia's image suffered after the >assassination of Zoran Djindjic, the election in December and the formation >of a new government with the help of the Socialist Party of Serbia," he >said. > >Political analyst Dusan Janjic says the government is on a winning course >in terms of diplomacy, focusing on "full cooperation with the international >community and on negotiations". > >The success of Serbia's diplomatic offensive has already led to a more >robust response to violence on the part of the international forces in >Kosovo. > >Belgrade is counting on reaping political gains from this policy. In >particular, it hopes the international community will now seriously >consider a partition of Kosovo between Serbs and Albanians, staving off >Serbia's nightmare scenario of a united, independent Kosovo, ruled by >Albanians. > >Kostunica is known to support such a plan. Soon after his appointment as >prime minister last month, he called for Kosovo to be broken up into >cantons and Serbs to be given control over Serbian enclaves. > >Talk of "decentralisation" and "cantons" is seen as Serbian code language >for partition - a term Belgrade knows the international community dislikes. > >"If the process of decentralisation in Kosovo and putting in place the >mechanisms needed to protect the Serb community get underway, this would >mark serious progress," said Janjic. > >A breakthrough on cantonisation is not necessarily imminent. But if it did >occur, it would greatly bolster the government's standing, given the >public's deep conviction that Serbia must not allow Kosovo to become an >independent state dominated by the Albanian majority. > >Kesic believes if the Serbian government can contain ethnic violence in >Albanian-majority areas in southern Serbia, the West may back off >altogether from recognition of Kosovo's independence. > >He says the West may then tell the Kosovo Albanians, " 'You burnt down all >the churches and drove out all the Serbs from Kosovo while the Serbs >managed to preserve a multi-ethnic society in south Serbia - there's >something wrong here'." > >That may be optimistic, but there is a conviction in Serbia that >independence for Kosovo, which the international community has run as a de >facto protectorate since 1999, can at least be postponed. > >But if the nationalist radicalisation of Serbian society has been prevented >in the short term, government supporters are aware this could all change if >the public's optimistic expectations are not fulfilled. > >If Kosovo once again slips out the government's grasp, the resulting >d?nouement may cause a fresh deterioration of the situation in Serbia and >the first victim to fall prey to such a turn of events could be the Serbian >government itself. > >Zeljko Cvijanovic is the editor of the weekly Evropa. > > >PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN THREATENS MACEDONIA WITH PARALYSIS > >Crvenkovski's victory likely to lead to months of horsetrading and >squabbling over posts. > >By Ana Petruseva in Skopje > >Fears are growing in Macedonia that if Prime Minister Branko Crvenkovski >wins the presidential election in mid-April, the result will be months of >political squabbling as candidates jostle for the premier's vacant post and >vital reforms are put on hold. > >Crvenkovski officially joined the race for the presidency on March 22, to >fill the post following the untimely death of President Trajkovski, who was >killed in a plane crash in Bosnia on February 26. > >Analysts say that Crvenkovski, faced with weak opponents, has a good chance >of winning the upcoming ballot but warn his victory will lead to >legislative paralysis and months of political squabbling to elect a new >prime minister, government and president of his ruling Social Democrats, >SDSM. > >Crvenkovski, an engineer by profession, has been prime minister since 2002, >though he held the post before from 1992 to 1998. He has headed the SDSM >since the former League of Communists changed into a centre-left party in >1991. > >In the months prior to his candidacy, Crvenkovski had brushed aside any >suggestion that he might go for the presidency, saying he was committed to >fulfilling his party's election pledges in government. > >Western diplomats speak openly of fears that the disruption of the >presidency and the competition for the premier's position will delay the >passage of decentralisation laws that need to be adopted before local >elections in the autumn. > >The laws are an essential component of the internationally-backed Ohrid >peace deal that ended an armed insurrection by Albanians in the country in >2001. > >"The process of reform cannot afford to be suspended because of the >elections campaign," Sheena Thomson, spokeswoman for the European Union >office in Skopje, told IWPR, "but given the unfortunate timing, the >elections are likely to have an impact. > >"Complete suspension is not an option. The momentum needs to be maintained >because the implementation of the Ohrid peace deal is the only way to EU >integration." > >Analysts echoed fears over the implications of a Crvenkovski victory, >saying even if he was elected on schedule in early May, a months-long power >struggle will ensue over the posts of prime ministers and SDSM party >leader. > >"Both the government and SDSM will be left without president, " said on >analyst. "That means the entire government will resign and the party will >have to choose a leader. > >"We are talking about months of political bickering before a new premier is >designated and a new government is voted in parliament. In the meantime, >parliament will be blocked and unable to proceed with key issues, such as >decentralisation." > >Tito Petkovski, an SDSM deputy in parliament, told IWPR that concern was >justified over whether parliament will adopt the decentralisation package >as planned before the annual summer recess. > >"Parliament will not work during the elections, while after the president >is elected it will be paralyzed because there will be no government," he >said. > >"It might be July before the government is up and running. But >traditionally, in August, the parliament does not work." > >"This will be a year wasted on elections, " a senior western diplomat >agreed. "The government is continuously wasting time on things that are >irrelevant." > >Six government ministers, including the ministers of defence, finance and >foreign affairs, have announced they are in charge of his campaign, while >Radmila Sekerinska, vice-premier in charge of European integration, has >been appointed campaign spokeswoman. > >Although the state Anti-Corruption Commission has recommended that the >ministers also freeze their posts during the campaign, they have all >refused, saying they can do two jobs simultaneously. > >Even members of the SDSM have expressed frustration. "Not only are we >entering an election season that will last by the end of the year but >nearly half of the government is working on the premier's election >campaign," one party official complained. "That means many important >activities, as well as reforms, are halted." > >The opposition called Crvenkovski to freeze his current post as premier so >regular government activities do not influence the campaign. Crvenkovski >has said he will not preside over government sessions during the campaign. > >Crvenkovski`s bid for the presidency, a largely ceremonial role, has >sparked controversy over whether the decision marks a strategic retreat. >Critics say it is linked to his government`s failure to improve the >impoverished economy and proceed with much-needed reforms. > >"The presidency should not serve as a retreat for failed politicians," >Vlatko Gjorcev, spokesman for the nationalist opposition VMRO, told IWPR. >"Whenever Crvenkovski was in power in the last 12 years, economic >indicators were always falling." > >Crvenkovski insists - unsurprsingly - that his motives for changing >position are less cynical. "The president is the keeper of the general >course and Macedonia simply cannot take risks at these elections," he told >a party convention last week. > >"The efforts of the government and parliament will have been in vain if the >state loses its general direction. I accepted this nomination because I >believe my experience can help preserve and speed up of that general >course." > >Few doubt he will carry off the victor's prize. His main opponent, Sasko >Kedev, the VMRO candidate, is a little-known heart surgeon whose modest >political career only started in 2002, when he was elected as a deputy in >parliament. > >Two other candidates are ethnic Albanians, standing mainly to test their >respective strengths within the large Albanian minority. > >No one is expected to win in the first round, as that requires taking 50 >per cent of the total electorate. Instead, it is expected that Crvenkovski >and Kedev will go through to second round on April 28, at which point >Albanian voters will probably shift their support to one of the Macedonian >candidates. > >Ana Petruseva is IWPR`s Macedonia project manager. > > >SERBS WEIGH UP KOSOVO OPTIONS > >Violence leaves the Serbian minority wondering whether they will all have >to leave. > >By Tanja Matic in Gracanica and Tanja Vujisic in north Mitrovica > >Marija, aged three, is running around with her friends in the courtyard of >the medieval monastery of Gracanica. She and her mother have spent the last >two days there, after fleeing the village of Sljivovo in Kosovo's latest >wave of ethnically-inspired violence. > >While Marija spends her time with 30 children from other Serbian >settlements at Novo Brdo, Bresje and Kisnica - most evacuated along with >their mothers and grandmothers - Marija's 29-year-old mother Suzana has to >decide whether their future lies back in Sljivovo or in Serbia proper. > >"When we fled to Serbia in 1999 we didn't fare very well," Suzana said. >"They called us 'Shiptars' (a pejorative expression for Albanians). I don't >want to go through that again, but if we return home [to Kosovo] we'll be >in fear of our lives every day." > >"Our village is poor," she added. "We have nothing much to sell so I'm >afraid we will be forced to stay." > >She breaks off to talk to her husband on the mobile phone. He plans to >return to Slivovo on his own by car, as neither KFOR nor the police are >willing to provide an escort. > >Life in temporary exile in Gracanica is frugal. Suzana and her daughter >share a four-bed room with eight other girls and women, lying on shabby >mattresses and sharing dirty bathrooms. The other evacuees from Novo Brdo, >Bresje, Kisnica share similar rooms. > >According to the United Nations Mission in Kosovo, UNMIK, three days of >violence in the protectorate have left 28 dead and 600 wounded, while 3,226 >Serbs and other non-Albanians - mostly Roma - have been forced from their >homes. > >Of that number, around a thousand are seeking sanctuary in KFOR bases in >Kosovo, while the others have fled to Serbia, or larger Serbian enclaves >within Kosovo. > >Suzana's temporary roommate, Zivana Velickovic, from Bresje, ten kilometres >south of Pristina, is even more confused about her choices. With four >daughters, aged four, six, seven and nine, she feels she has no future back >home or in Serbia. > >Her home village sustained severe damage at the hands of Albanian >arsonists. "Only a few Serb houses were left in Bresje," she said. > >"After this, I cannot go back home and our school has also been burned >down. I don't know what we will do, as we cannot stay here for ever." > >The fear for people's lives, which has dominated Serb minds over the past >few days, has left all the remaining Serb villages in Kosovo feeling >anxious. > >Apart from the people who have been forced to move from their homes, the >violence has made many others question the point of remaining in such a >troubled region. > >Aleksandar, aged 25, from Gracanica, who has been working for an >international organisation for more than a year, has already resigned from >his post and decided to move to Belgrade, where he owns a house. "I cannot >go on like this," he said. "My decision is almost definite." > >He laughs ironically at the sight of a cigarette lighter bearing the logo >of a recent UNMIK promotional campaign. "I am also Kosovo," it reads in >Serbian and Albanian. "They should change that to: `I was also Kosovo' - at >least the Serbian part." > >Aleksandar is exhausted after three sleepless nights. He has not yet told >his close friends that he plans to leave. But he believes many them have >made a similar decision, even if no one has yet had the courage to bring >the issue into the open. > >The confusion among both displaced Serbs and those still in their homes has >been compounded by the policies of the international community and the >local Serbian leadership. > >Both are trying publicly to dissuade the remaining Serbs from leaving, >while offering no lasting solutions to their worries. > >The Serbian politicians and church leaders have strenuously urged remaining >Serbs in Kosovo to stay. Bishop Artemije of Prizren said they should not >leave unless it was vital. > >"Stay where you are, as God is our best ally who will save and help us," >the Bishop said on March 19. > >Oliver Ivanovic, a Kosovo Serb leader, admits such calls need to be treated >cautiously. They are mainly designed "to encourage people", he told IWPR. > >The view from KFOR is slightly different. Their policy is to "protect >people rather than property" and they have moved endangered communities to >military bases or to safer Serbian areas. > >In some KFOR bases, fights have broken out between Serbs over whether they >should go back home or leave for Serbia proper. > >The international community does not want to appear to condone ethnic >cleansing. At the same time, it does not wish to force people to return to >insecure communities. > >"Law and order will be restored and then we will make an arrangement with >relevant organisations and those people over where they want to go," KFOR >spokesperson Peter Appleby told Serbia's B92 television. > >Some displaced Serbs have already gone home voluntarily. In Caglavica, near >Pristina, where ten Serbian houses were burned on March 17, most people >remained in their village, after sending away the women and children. > >But in such a fragile situation, only the smallest incident could trigger >the flight of the remaining Kosovo Serbs to Serbia, however uncertain their >prospects. > >Goroljub Savic has no obvious options ahead of him. The 60-year-old man >from Slatina village was hospitalised in northern Mitrovica after a barrage >of stones thrown at his house left him with a broken hand and perforated >eardrum. > >His home was burning before his eyes as French KFOR soldiers led him from >the premises. "Where will I return to?" he asked. "To what house?" > >Tanja Matic is an IWPR project coordinator in Pristina and Tanja Vujisic is >an IWPR contributor. > > >COMMENT: LET'S MOVE FORWARD > >We have seen how hatred can destroy us - now Serbs and Albanians must work >together to rebuild Kosova. > >By Hashim Thaci in Pristina > >On Wednesday March 17, I was giving a lecture to the United States >Institute of Peace about my vision of an independent Kosova. That country >would be a multi-ethnic society, in which people of different races lived >and worked together peacefully with equal rights and with tolerance and >respect for different religions. It was a very different vision from what I >discovered had actually been going on in Kosova that day: people >demonstrating, shooting and killing; burning houses, churches and mosques; >mobs on the rampage. > >I came home immediately to help end the violence. I spent the next few days >going out in Kosova, asking Albanians to get off the streets and go to >their homes and reassuring Serbs that it was safe to return to theirs. I >was not alone; many people from the Democratic Party of Kosova went round >the country calming people down. Both Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi and >Minister Jakup Krasniqi took on angry mobs and calmed them. > >I absolutely condemn the violence. It was wrong and has brought us down in >the eyes of the world and allowed them to accuse us of being oppressors. >Any Kosovar who believes this is the route to independence is wrong. This >sort of behavior can only help Belgrade. > >It is important to move forward. However, first we must understand why the >violence happened. The tragic drowning of the three boys was only the final >spark that caused the explosion. The flammable situation has been growing >steadily for five years. For five years, the people of Kosova have waited >for the international community to proclaim our final status; for five >years nobody in the country has known their future. This uncertainty has >led to instability for all of us, whatever our ethnicity. And it has led to >fear. It is difficult to underestimate how frightened the Albanians of >Kosova are of being ruled again by Belgrade. > >A few months ago, Belgrade called for the cantonisation or partition of >Kosova. To those who say this is now the solution, I say this: it has >failed in Bosnia and will fail in Kosova, too. Cantonisation is about >keeping people apart. We want to bring people together. Quite simply, a >cantonised Kosova where the different ethnic groups live different lives in >their own protected area is not sustainable. And once it is introduced it >cannot be ended. Cantonisation is giving in to despair. I want more for my >country. > >I understand the fear that the Serbs have of us. Fear heightens ethnic >divisions and distrust. There has been little ethnic integration. Everyone >should own up to their responsibility for this. Albanians must take some of >the blame. Enclaves breed myths and distrust. Anger has accumulated and >illegal parallel structures have stopped local Serbs from integrating. >Parallel Serb security and judicial institutions supported by Belgrade >operate unhindered in north Mitrovica, under the rule of thugs - which is >bad for the Serbs who live there. > >A genuine debate between Kosovars and UNMIK has been missing and a huge gap >has grown up between Kosovar and international institutions. UNMIK needs to >trust locals more; we understand the terms of resolution 1244 but cannot >remain in limbo forever. > >So far, UNMIK's plans extend only to disciplining society and not >democratising it. Almost all requests by Kosovars for more responsibility >for their people and country have been blocked by UNMIK. > >We all live in a country where tens of thousands are mired in poverty and >unemployment is almost 60 per cent. The electricity supply is unreliable. >Tap water is undrinkable. Our school and hospital systems are >over-stretched and under-funded. With little hope for the future, our youth >- both Albanian and Serb - are left to roam the streets. > >Almost all of these areas are under UNMIK control. Yet, living standards in >Kosova have declined fast. > >A combination of hopelessness, fear and distrust have sown the seeds of >ethnic conflict. > >So when Serbian teenager was shot in a drive-by shooting, the Serbs assumed >it was Albanians - although the perpetrators are still unknown - and >protested by holding rallies and blocking roads. No internationals stopped >the road blocks, which caused growing resentment. So, when an Albanian >child went on television to say he and his friends had been chased into the >river by Serbs and his friends had drowned, it was like lighting a tinder >box. > >Protests against violence turned to violence. Shock and outrage was fuelled >by fear and anger > >Now we have to build for the future - a future for all Kosovars. We have >seen how hatred and division destroy us and we must work together - >literally. Albanians will help to rebuild the Serb homes and churches that >were destroyed and so begin to rebuild a divided country. The Kosova >government has already dedicated 5 million euro for that purpose. > >All of us must condemn the violence on both sides unequivocally. In doing >so honestly, we must not let this be used for political gain. Those who >carried out the violence should be charged. It is important not to punish >Kosova's collective will to have an independent and sovereign state. > >We must prevent this from ever being repeated. This does not only mean >KFOR being better prepared, but involving Kosovars in the fields of >security and judiciary, especially in intelligence-gathering, so that >extremist trouble-makers on all sides can be stopped. > >We need to engage in a true dialogue with the international community on >how to keep the trust of the people in the political process. Kosova >politicians also need to engage properly with the people and be seen to be >working for the country, not just scoring political points. > >We have to confront Belgrade with a clear choice: you either support the >integration of local Serbs and be part of the solution or be prepared to be >part of the problem and face consequences from the international community. > >Hacim Thaci is the president of the Democratic Party of Kosova. > >****************** VISIT IWPR ON-LINE: www.iwpr.net **************** > >IWPR's network of leading correspondents in the region provides in-depth >analysis on events and issues affecting the Balkans. The reports are >published online in English, Serbian and Albanian. They are also available >via e-mail. 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