From eraldcano at yahoo.com Tue May 1 23:03:21 2001 From: eraldcano at yahoo.com (erald cano) Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 20:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NYC-L] mesazh i shkurter Message-ID: <20010502030321.31713.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com> HI everybody, I think that i've seen the e-mail of mr. Bogdan in one of his articles, and i think that it is: akbogdan at yahoo.com Regards, Erald Cano __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From mentor at alb-net.com Fri May 4 16:08:52 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 16:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Press-Release: "Liria Kombtare": What is happening in Macedonia? How can we help? (fwd) Message-ID: ____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< http://www.alb-net.com/amcc ____________________________________________________________________ Press-Release: "Liria Kombtare" / "National Freedom" What is happening in Macedonia? How can we help? The Staten Island and Brooklyn (NY) chapter of the Humanitarian Foundation "Liria Kombtare" with hold informative gathering at Ideal Restaurant, Staten Island, NY. Where: Ideal Restaurant 630 Midland Ave, Staten Island, 10306 NY When: Saturday, May 5th, 2001 Time: 3:00PM In the last few days the Macedonian forces have indiscriminately fired on the Albanian populated areas wounding many civilians. The purpose of the meeting is to inform the Albanian and the American public about the current humanitarian situation in Macedonia which has resulted in the past few days. In addition, the public will be informed about the various ways it can help the Albanian people in Macedonia affected by the aggression of the Macedonian forces. "National Freedom" Humanitarian Foundation 456 River St. Paterson, NJ 07524 Tel: (973) 684-2104 ____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< http://www.alb-net.com/amcc ____________________________________________________________________ From mentor at alb-net.com Fri May 4 17:50:54 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 17:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] "They [The Macedonian Forces] Are Burning Us Alive," Residents of Slupcan Call For Help (fwd) Message-ID: "He also said the National Liberation Army forces are in village." "We feel safe while they [NLA] are her to protect us. Who knows what would happened to us if they were not here," he added. --- KosovaLive 4 May 2001 http://kosovalive.com/english/english.htm 1. Seven Killed In Slupcan And Vaksince While Residents Refuse To Leave Homes 2. "They Are Burning Us Alive," Residents of Slupcan Call For Help 3. Villages Of Opaja and Hotel near Kumanova Shelled, Situation Escalates 4. PPD Reports Situation In Macedonia Could Get Out Of Control 5. Candy Store Attacked With Bomb in Skopje 6. Refugee Family From Kumanova Sheltered In Mitrovica ### 1. Seven Killed In Slupcan And Vaksince While Residents Refuse To Leave Homes May 4, 2001 PRISHTINA (KosovLive) - As a result of the shelling by the Macedonian military and police forces, at least seven persons were killed and many others wounded in the last two days. Macedonian forces shelled the villages of the Likova and Kumanova municipalities using all artillery in disposition, sources of KosovaLive informed from the field. According to the same recourses, the most powerful shelling went on in the villages of Slupcan and Vaksince. More than half of the houses in Slupcan have been destroyed from the shelling of Macedonian forces. "One helicopter of the Macedonian forces was taken down and a number of tanks were destroyed, while the National Liberation Army forces (UCK) were trying to protect the civilians being attacked not only from the air but also from the positions of the Macedonian forces from a distance," Hysni Shaqiri, former deputy of the Democratic Party of Albanians (DPA) who joined the UCK, told KosovaLive Friday. Shaqiri said that the Albanian political parties should be aware that they cannot play with the fate of the people. "I think that what the NLA requests is a reality that belongs to political parties as well, but they are not in a position to do this." "The fact that the demands are very realistic, political parties also have a historical responsibility toward the people and the conditions that the Albanian population is facing at the moment," Shaqiri said. The president of the Likova municipality, Hysamedin Halili, also confirmed for KosovaLive, about the seven killed and several wounded. "It is a war. People are hiding inside their basements; they are still in the village not wanting to leave their houses. The Macedonian government has given an ultimatum to leave the village until 4 p.m., but nobody has left the village," Halili said. While the shelling continues even after 4:30 p.m., the city of Kumanova awaits the curfew that begins from 10 p.m. until 5 a.m. (hm) ### 2. "They Are Burning Us Alive," Residents of Slupcan Call For Help May 4, 2001 PRISHTINA (KosovaLive) - The number of victims comes to at least five from the shelling of villages near Kumanova, Albanian sources from the conflict zone reported. Besides the two killed in last night's shelling in Slupcan, Albanian sources said three residents of Vaksince lost their lives during Thursday's shelling. The same resources reported that a helicopter of the Macedonian forces helicopter was taken down at around 11 a.m. and two tanks were put on fire. One NLA soldier is also reported to have been wounded. Contacted through a mobile phone, 34-year old Iljaz from the village of Slupcan told KosovaLive that his seven-member family is hiding in the basement of their house together with 33 other resident of the village. "We are all gathered in the basement and nobody dares to go out. We are afraid that they will burn as alive. The Macedonians don't care where they shell, and they are also shoot at civilians," Iljazi said, explaining that the bombing had continued throughout last night and today until 2 p.m. Two elderly people of the village were killed and two children wounded. "We are all here. All five thousand residents of the village do not intend to leave the village, even though we do not have electricity or any contact with the outside world as our phones are down," Iljazi said. He also said the National Liberation Army forces are in village. "We feel safe while they are her to protect us. Who knows what would happened to us if they were not here," he added. Iljazi also said that even though the villagers have little food reserves, food is not a problem. "We do not even think about eating since yesterday," he said. (al) ### 3. Villages Of Opaja and Hotel near Kumanova Shelled, Situation Escalates May 4, 2001 SKOPJE/KUMANOVA (KosovaLive) - Macedonian forces are shelling two more Albanian villages in the Kumanovo area, northeast of Skopje Friday. Albanian sources from the area reported that shelling was taking place in the villages of Opaja and Hotel, describing the situation as tense and escalating. The shelling started Friday 8 a.m., when Albanian journalists saw Macedonian special units called "Wolfs" and "Scorpions" firing on the villages from positions at Kumanova's civil airport. Two elderly Albanian males, Ramiz Demiri (63) and Remzi Osmani (54), were killed and three others were wounded, including a nine-year old girl, in the Macedonian offensive Thursday afternoon in the village of Slupcane. Albanian sources in the area said tens of Albanian homes were destroyed in Slupcane and Vaksince, which were the target of the offensive of the Macedonian forces. However, local leaders from the area said the Albanian inhabitants of the villages have preferred to take refugee in their basements rather than leave their villages in response to the government ultimatum. "Not one of the residents has moved, they are all in their basements," Husamedin Hasani, president of the Likova municipality, said. "The situation is very serious. We appeal to the international factor to intervene in solving the crises," he added. Meanwhile, the forces of the National Liberation Army (NLA) said that a Macedonian helicopter was taken down during its flight over Slupcan. An NLA commander said that the NLA is ready to face possible ground offensives. ### 4. PPD Reports Situation In Macedonia Could Get Out Of Control May 4, 2001 TETOVA (KosovaLive) - The security situation in Macedonia is quite dramatic and could escalate out of control at any moment, the president of Party for Democratic Prosperity (PDP), Imer Imeri, said Friday in Tetova. He criticized the Macedonian government, but at the same time called upon both sides of the conflict to give up their weapons and sit around a negotiation table and begin dialogue in finding a solution to the crises. "The incidents in the villages near Kumanova clearly show that the Macedonian government is not willing to solve the crisis but, on the contrary, is escalating it," Imeri said. According to Imeri, the ultimatum given by the Macedonian Prime Minister to the Albanian population in the conflict zone that they should leave their houses before the offensive begins, is only a "bluff" of the government. "The Macedonian army began the shelling much earlier than the ultimatum expired. In fact, the government deceived the inhabitants," Imeri told journalists. According to him, the PPD is concerned about the condition of the population in the villages of the conflict at this moment. Imeri said that the PPD "fears that such operations could lead to a humanitarian disaster and cause retaliation of wide dimensions." Imeri once again emphasized that the solution of current political problems with weapons is not preferable and that PPD requesting that both sides give up their weapons and in order to create an atmosphere of serious and effective talks. (si) ### 5. Candy Store Attacked With Bomb in Skopje May 4, 2001 SKOPJE (KosovaLive) - A bomb was thrown at the Palma candy store in Skopje after 1 p.m. Friday, owned by a Muslim Slav. Sources from Macedonia's Ministry of Internal Affairs in Skopje said the candy store was attacked with a bomb, and there were no victims in the incident. However, there was considerable material damage. The attack in Palma happened on the second night of the firearm attacks against Albanians and burning of Albanian businesses, in which one person from Kosova lost his life. (ar) ### 6. Refugee Family From Kumanova Sheltered In Mitrovica May 4, 2001 MITROVICA (KosovaLive) - After the latest turbulences in the former Yugoslav republic of Macedonia, the first refugee family from Kumanova arrived Thursday night in Shipol near Mitrovica. The eight-member family arrived at their relatives after many difficulties in reaching the Hani i Elezit border point. Meanwhile, 14 other members of the family who are left in Kumanova are expected to arrive Friday. (lb) From mentor at alb-net.com Sun May 6 01:24:01 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Macedonia To Ask for War Declaration Message-ID: Dear Friends, Seems like the situation in Macedonia is getting worse by minute. The oppressive and discriminatory Macedonian government has no regards and respect for its Albanian population. What happens when about 40% of the population is treated as second class citizens by the Macedonian Government?! For how long does the Macedonian government expect to oppress so many people and act like everything is OK?! For the last two days, Macedonian Government has asked the Albanian populated areas around Kumanova to be emptied of its inhabitants? Is this Ethnic CLEANSING in making? sincerely, Mentor ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 01:14:41 -0400 From: Mentor Cana To: ALBANEWS at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU Newsgroups: bit.listserv.albanian Subject: News: Macedonia To Ask for War Declaration ____________ALBANEWS: Albanian News and Information Network_________ Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanews.html ____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< http://www.alb-net.com/amcc ____________________________________________________________________ Albanian Home Page http://www.albanian.com/ KCC (Kosova Crisis Center) http://www.alb-net.com/ Kosovapress http://www.kosovapress.com/ ____________________________________________________________________ http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010505/ts/macedonia.html Saturday May 5 8:57 PM ET Macedonia To Ask for War Declaration By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press Writer SKOPJE, Macedonia (AP) - Macedonia's prime minister said Saturday he plans to ask Parliament to declare a state of war, hours after soldiers hammered ethnic Albanian rebel positions with artillery fire in an escalating offensive. The comments from Prime Minister Ljbuco Georgievski followed a series of rebel ambushes of security forces and the steady bombardment of insurgent positions in the northern part of Macedonia - attacks that have deepened fears the country is on the verge of civil war. ``What is happening on the territory of Macedonia is war,'' Georgievski told reporters outside an emergency session of the Macedonian government leadership. ``Those people who are doing this have the aim of conquering the territory.'' A declaration of a state of war needs the approval of a two-thirds majority of the 120-member Parliament, but it was not immediately clear if the government could round up the support. The legislature was expected to meet Tuesday, but the statements from Georgievski suggested he could try reshuffle the government before that. If approved, the declaration would give President Boris Trajkovski the power to rule by decree and appoint a government of his choosing. It would also give him the ability to seal the borders, ban public gatherings, and impose a curfew. Georgievski also said joint action against the rebels could be taken with the government in neighoring Yugoslavia, where ethnic Albanian insurgents operate in of the province of Kosovo. Ethnic Albanians, who account for roughly a third of Macedonia's 2 million people, argue they are treated as second class citizens and want the constitution rewritten to give them equal status. Fighting between the government and the rebels began in February. Carlo Ungaro, the Organization for Security and Cooperation (news - web sites)'s Macedonia mission chief, said that at least seven civilians had been killed since Thursday, when the government began the latest offensive against the rebels. ``We have young people dying,'' said Borjanka Stevkovska, nervously straightening the green onions stacked in her market stall in Skopje, the capital. ``From one day to another, it just gets worse.'' The 52-year-old mother of two teen-age daughters can hardly bear to watch the evening news with its reports of dead soldiers, burning villages and diplomatic wrangling - the somber signposts warning of another Balkan country slowing slipping toward instability. Just 15 miles to the north, the government pummeled what it said were ``selective'' targets, unleashing rockets from helicopter gunships and firing cannon and grenades at rebel command posts and sniper nests in villages dotting the border with Yugoslavia. So far, world leaders, including President Bush (news - web sites), have backed Macedonia in its steadfast refusal to negotiate with the rebels, whom the government views as terrorists trying to seize territory and carve out an ethnic Albanian state. The police and army ordered civilians to evacuate five villages, describing it as a precaution. Authorities demanded that people in five other villages also leave amid claims that the insurgents were using 3,500 people as ``human shields.'' But the rebels accused the government of firing indiscriminately at civilians and denied that villagers were being used as shields. Three Macedonian soldiers were wounded when their vehicle hit an anti-tank mine planted by the rebels, Defense Ministry spokesman Gjorgji Trendafilov said. Earlier Saturday, Trajkovski summoned leaders of major political parties, including ethnic Albanians, and announced an ``agreed-upon'' five-point plan to solve the crisis, starting with an evacuation of civilians from the fighting area. He pledged to include more representatives of ethnic minorities in a decentralized government; strengthen the rule of law; crack down on organized crime; include some minority languages in official use; and ``strengthen the civil concept of Macedonia'' as a nation. Rumors circulated among ethnic Albanians in the capital that the government wants the civilians to flee so it can raze the border villages, creating an internal buffer zone between the rebels and their ethnic kin in the southern Yugoslav province of Kosovo. More subtle divisions between ethnic groups have cropped up in Skopje. Xhemajl Fazliu, 27, an ethnic Albanian, looked over his shoulder before complaining that his Slavic-speaking neighbors would no longer buy his cabbages, potatoes and paprikas. ``Every day I would deal with the same people. Now they just greet me and go away,'' he said. ``I come here, but I don't feel safe.'' The increasing unease follows days of riots that shook the southern city of Bitola after the funerals of some of eight soldiers killed in a rebel ambush April 28. The government describes the riots, which destroyed some 40 ethnic Albanian businesses, as an expression of outrage to terrorism. Ethnic Albanians suggest the melee was a warning that they had better watch out. NATO (news - web sites) and the European Union (news - web sites), fearing fresh bloodshed, are sending envoys to Macedonia. The EU's security affairs chief, Javier Solana, planned to arrive Sunday and NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson was to join him Monday. ____________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< http://www.alb-net.com/amcc ____________________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ ALBANEWS is not affiliated with the Albanian Government, the Kosova Government, any association or organization, nor any information or news agency. Reports, articles and news items from various sources are distributed via ALBANEWS for INFORMATIVE purposes only. Opinions expressed/published on ALBANEWS do NOT necessarily reflect the views of the owner and the co-owners and/or moderators, nor any of their host institutions. ALBANEWS does NOT guarantee the accuracy of the reports, articles and news items distributed via the list. ____________________________________________________________________ ALBANEWS listowner, co-owners and/or moderators can be contacted at: ALBANEWS-request at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Sun May 6 19:47:59 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 19:47:59 Subject: [NYC-L] Few thoughts on Macedonia Message-ID: My apologies to members of the list that cannot read in Albanian these few lines were already written in albanian I am just passing them to the list, Thank you I will just state my opinion in a nutshell: The EU is in a process of coming to terms with its mistake in supporting Macedonia in fighting Albanian rebels without establishing an efficient and fruitful dialogue between Albanians and Macedonian Gov. with EU participation/mediation. Macedonians have difficulty in allowing a albanians to enjoy their rights, they need a "help" from the EU to swallow this. Otherwise we are about to reach "the point of no return" and the EU and "International Community" has a good portion of guilt on that. ------------------------------------------------ Disa mendime lidhur me situaten ne Maqedoni.... Se pari qe ne fillim te them se une jame Optimist sa i perket rezultatit perfundimtare te gjendjes se shqipetareve ne trojet ku jetojne ata sote. Maqedonia __________ Bashkimi Europian ka deshtuar ne politiken ndaj Maqedonis, duke i dhene krah regjimit diskriminues te Maqedonise ne lufte kunder UCK-se, pa pa ndihmuar ne permiresimin e pozites se shipetareve atje. Besoj se BE-ja tash eshte duke e pare kete, por e ka veshtire ta pranoj. Mospranimi i rolit te ndermjetesuesit ne bisedime i mundesoi Maqedonise qe te "dialogoj" pa kufi me te gjitha "pakicat" ne Maqedoni, dmth te evitoj hapjen e bisedimve te mirefillta mes dy paleve Shqipetareve dhe Qeverise Maqedone. Pra kjo politike e Maqedonise, e mbeshtetur nga Solana, i cii tanime eshte e qart se nuk e kupton situaten ne Maqedoni(ose nuk don ta kuptoj)sepse e ka nenvleresuar rrezikun, rezultoi me "bisedime" shterp per me teper se nje muaj. Rifillimi i luftimeve do te ju "ndihmoj" Solanes dhe te tjereve qe ta kuptojne si duhet problemin dhe te reagojne me nje ndermjetesim te shpejte per t'i zgjidhur problemet sepse Maqedonet nuk jane ne gjendje qe t'ju garantojne shqipetareve te drejta te barabarta, kjo eshte nje kafshat qe ata nuk jane ne gjendja ta kaperdijne pa ndihmen e pales se trete autoritative. Ende ka kohe, por vetem edhe pak, qe situata te merr kahje pozitive, dhe kjo varet nga vetedijesimi i "faktorit nderkombetare" per nevojen e pranimit te kerkesave te shqipetareve, asnje prej te cilave nuk e cenon integritetin e Maqedonise. Nese edhe per nje kohe nuk ndermerret dica nga te huajt ne krye me te gjithedijshmin Solana etj. atehere shpejte do te arrihet pika ku nuk do te ket kthim mbrapa nga lufta e pergjithshme mes Sllaveve Maqedon dhe Shqipetareve ne Maqedoni (e ndosha jo vetem ne Maqedoni-nese Maqedonet kerkojne ndihme nga Serbet pse Shqipetare mos te kerkojne ndihme nga shqipetaret). Rezultati prap do te jete fitimtare per Shqipetaret ne Maqedoni, por dallimi eshte,se a do te arrihet ajo pike me nje numer te vogel viktimash apo Maqedonise dhe ndekombetareve iu duhen edhe 10.000 apo 20.000 civil te vrar per t'u bindur se problemi i diskriminimit te shqipetreve ne Maqedoni e ka burimin ne Maqedoni, gjegjesisht ne kokat e maqedoneve dhe ne perceptimet e tyre per shqipetaret si qenje te nje vlere me te ulet, dhe se ata (maqednet) kan te drejte te sillen me shqipetaret si te done. Ky koncept i ngulitur ne kokat e sllaveve ne pergjithsi dhe te serbeve dhe maqedoneve ne vecanti eshte "kultivuar" me shume se 100 vjete, dhe nuk largohet lehte. Secili e pranon se heshtja e armeve nuk u perdore per te zgidhur probemet por u keqperdor nga Qeveria Maqedone, duke shpresuar se ajo cka ka ndodh ka qene nje enderr e keqe dhe se shqipetaret me nuk do te degjohen te gjalle. Se shpejti edhe Solana i famshem, qe si duket beson se shqipetaret i kan dhene cek blanko, qe te deklaroj cka te doj per shqipetaret do te shohe, nese veq nuk e ka pare,se sa i gabuar ka qene kur ka perkrah Maqedonin pa rezerv. Pershendetje, Imeri _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Sun May 6 20:42:38 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:42:38 Subject: [NYC-L] Info. about accommodation in New York Message-ID: Dear Mentor, Etrit and other members of the List, I am about to finish my studies (Master's Degree in Law)in Cleveland, in about 10 days. Last part of the program includes three months of internship in legal field, and I have secured a summer internship in New York. The office is situated at 333 Seventh Avenue( I think its in Manhattan), and will start on June 4, 2001, before heading back to Kosova in three months time. I am looking for accommodation in NY and I have s scholarship, but I certainly need some helpful information. I would appreciate if anyone can help me with any info. how to find accommodation in New York, as i understand it is not an easy thing to do. Of course I would not mind traveling and using the subway. Thanks and Regards, Imer Berisha Cleveland, OH tel.216-791-9047 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From SimonVukel at aol.com Sun May 6 18:14:16 2001 From: SimonVukel at aol.com (SimonVukel at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 18:14:16 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Info. about accommodation in New York Message-ID: Congratulations Imer on finishing your masters degree :-) Some suggestions on finding a place for the summer in NYC: 1) Get the NY Times or any other New York paper, preferably sunday edition, and look under "Sublets". Sublets are apartments that people rent out for short periods of times, usually the summer. (Usually people who have summer houses in the country and want to rent their apartment in the city, or students who return home for the summer but are locked into a year round lease. 2) Check with local universities in NYC (NYU, Columbia, etc). They sometimes will rent out apts to non-students because it is a source of income for them. Or likewise, they might have listings somewhere of students looking to sublet their apartments for the summer. 3) Do a search on the web as well for the above. 4) Ask your contact at the law firm for help -- if you're an intern they are used to handling interns and may very likely have suggestions on where to live. 5) If all else fails contact a rental agency or real estate agent in NY, but really try to avoide those bceause they will take a commission, likely a month's rent. 6) Apartments in Queens or Brooklyn will probably cost you less than in manhattan. Good luck! -simon -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Tue May 8 17:12:12 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 17:12:12 Subject: [NYC-L] Mjerimi i nje Qeverie Message-ID: Cfar burrnie eshte qe kryeministri shqipetare te fitoj poena politik nga BE-ja jo me resultate ne drejtimin e vendit dhe ne perparimin e tij, por duke quajtur shqipetaret ne Maqedoni "terrorist" vetem pse duan te mesojne shqip. Lajkat e ketila nuk do te na shpiejn askund. Marre sot, 7 maj 2001 nga "Kosovalive" ____________________________________ Pas takimit me Prodin, Meta ?sht? shprehur se Shqip?ria nuk ka favorizuar dhe nuk favorizon n? asnj? m?nyr? terrorizmin dhe ekstremist?t: "Jemi duke b?r? maksimumin p?r t? mbajtur n?n kontroll kufijt? me Maqedonin?". Kryeministri shqiptar ka th?n? gjithashtu se rruga e Shqip?ris? me Europ?n fillon nga raportet e fqinj?sis? s? mir? me vendet kufitare. "Ne duam t? promovojm? bashk?punimin me gjith? vendet e rajonit dhe d?nojm? ekstremizmat dhe ekstremist?t q? mendojn? t? zgjidhin problemet n?p?rmjet dhun?s, ashtu si? theksojm? respektin ton? t? plot? p?r integritetin e territorit maqedonas e sovranitetin e qeveris? s? Shkupit". _____________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From webmaster at liriakombtare.com Tue May 8 21:54:16 2001 From: webmaster at liriakombtare.com (liria) Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 21:54:16 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] PRESS RELEASES Message-ID: <000201c0d82f$05fe7a80$5d6e96ac@fondi> PRESS RELEASE: "Liria Kombtare" - Humanitarian Foundation May 8th, 2001 "Liria Kombtare" is pleased to announce the launching of the its web site at: URL: http://www.liriakombtare.com/ The Humanitarian Foundation "Liria Kombtare" (National Freedom) was established to help and support the Macedonia Albanians who are facing the aggression by the Macedonia forces as well as the oppression and discrimination in the hands of the Macedonian Government. More specifically, in the last few days the Macedonian forces have indiscriminately fired on the Albanian populated areas wounding many civilians. "Liria Kombtare", through its web site informs the public about the most current events, as well as about the humanitarian situation in Macedonia. In addition, the site inform about the ways the Macedonia Albanians can be helped in these needy times. "National Freedom" Humanitarian Foundation 456 River St., Paterson, NJ 07524 Tel: (973) 684-2104 Fax: (973) 684-2105 E-mail: webmaster at liriakombtare.com URL: http://www.liriakombtare.com/ -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Wed May 9 04:52:32 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 04:52:32 Subject: [NYC-L] DRITA Albanian Folk Orchestra Message-ID: AMERIKANET KENDOJNE SHQIP PER BUKURI! Americans sing very well in Albanian! I came across an American Orchestra that plays only Albanian music. That's "DRITA" Albanian Folk Orchestra and the CD is called: 'Kujtime nga e shkuara' 'Memories of the past' The Orchestra was founded in 1982 by Ian Price in order to present Albanian folk music to American people. The above mentioned CD has 20 songs. I have ordered it for $16.50, and their address is: Ian Pirce, 7421 Royalty Way Apt 201 Shawnee Mission, KS 66203-4629. (they have a web site too) I received it in about three weeks, but the music in wonderful. In relation to the discussion that is going on, one can say that without love for Albanian people and its culture such beautiful music could not have been produced. Regards, Imer _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From mentor at alb-net.com Wed May 9 10:06:09 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Lajme: 7 May, 2001 "ZGJIMI" Message-ID: Nga Nje grup i studenteve te SH.S. "ZGJIMI"-Kumanove > Sot me 7 Maj 2001 (e hene) ne komunen e Likoves > ka pasur ngjarje qe mund te shihet vetem ne filma > luftarak. Mbi 1000 predha rane mbi kokat e civileve > te cilet te kembngulur rrine ne trojat e tyre dhe se > me asnje cmim nuk do ti leshojne ata. Forcat maqedone > ne pamundesi te luftojne me USHTARET TANE TE LIRISE , > granatoje shtepi, shkolla e xhami. Ata, kinse po > luftoje kunder "teroristeve"(sic i quajn ato) ato lu- > ftojne kunder pasurise dhe jeteve te njerezve te pa- > fajshem. Ushtaret e UCK, populli i sheh si shpetimtare > sepse ata edhe jane bite e atij vendi. > > Gjendja e civileve sic thame eshte teper e rende.Ka te > plagosur dhe shume shtepi te rrenuara.Nuk kane asnje > siguri sepse ushtria maqedone(teroriste,sepse lufton ku- > nder civileve)gjuan te ato.Medikamentet dhe ndihmat > ushqimore mungojne ne mase te madhe. RRyma elektrike dhe > telefoni nuk punojne.Ata thjeshte jane te izoluar dhe > shuem afer vdekjes.Prandaj, ato apelojne te te GJITHE > ato qe munden te ndihmoje apo TE NGREJNE ZERIN e arsyes > qe ti ndihmojne ketyre njerezve, qe ushtria dhe shteti po > luan me jetat e tyre.Tju dalim ne ndihme,sepse ate TASH e > kemi obligim moral. > > Nje grup i studenteve te SH.S. > "ZGJIMI"-Kumanove From mentor at alb-net.com Wed May 9 11:33:37 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] HRW: Macedonian Forces Responsible for Killing and Destruction (From a Letter to Macedonian President B. Trajkovski) Message-ID: An excerpt from the Human Rights Watch (HRW) letter sent to Macedonian President B. Trajkovski. [May 4th, 2001] "This concern is strengthened by our findings following the March 2001 actions by the security forces against armed ethnic Albanian groups in the western part of the country. Available evidence suggests that government forces were responsible for the deliberate killing of 16-year-old Omer Shabani on April 3 in the village of Selce. We also received reports that families of ethnic Albanians arrested on suspicion of membership in the so-called National Liberation Army (NLA) were unable to obtain any information on the whereabouts of their relatives. Finally, our documentation suggests that government forces were responsible for the wanton destruction and looting of villages perceived as being pro-NLA, including the villages of Selce, Gjermo, Gajre, Drenovec, and Kolte. We urge you to make these incidents the subject of prompt, thorough, and transparent investigations. Full letter available at: http://www.hrw.org/press/2001/05/macedonia_ltr1.htm From etrit at alb-net.com Thu May 10 08:06:35 2001 From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 08:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Info. about accommodation in New York In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Another excellent service is The Village Voice on the web. They have a big selection of apartments on their web site: www.villagevoice.com Etrit. On Sun, 6 May 2001 SimonVukel at aol.com wrote: > Congratulations Imer on finishing your masters degree :-) > > Some suggestions on finding a place for the summer in NYC: > > 1) Get the NY Times or any other New York paper, preferably sunday edition, > and look under "Sublets". Sublets are apartments that people rent out for > short periods of times, usually the summer. (Usually people who have summer > houses in the country and want to rent their apartment in the city, or > students who return home for the summer but are locked into a year round > lease. > > 2) Check with local universities in NYC (NYU, Columbia, etc). They > sometimes will rent out apts to non-students because it is a source of income > for them. Or likewise, they might have listings somewhere of students > looking to sublet their apartments for the summer. > > 3) Do a search on the web as well for the above. > > 4) Ask your contact at the law firm for help -- if you're an intern they are > used to handling interns and may very likely have suggestions on where to > live. > > 5) If all else fails contact a rental agency or real estate agent in NY, but > really try to avoide those bceause they will take a commission, likely a > month's rent. > > 6) Apartments in Queens or Brooklyn will probably cost you less than in > manhattan. > > Good luck! > -simon > > From mentor at alb-net.com Thu May 10 15:22:16 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Canaonf) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Turkish Foreign Ministry on Albanians in Greece Message-ID: FYI... http://www.mfa.gov.tr/grupa/ac/ack/06.htm From mentor at alb-net.com Thu May 10 18:23:09 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 18:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] typo in my last name Message-ID: Friends, Today I had sent out few messages with a typo in my last name. I was configuring my e-mail client/application and my last name was somehow saved as "Canaonf"... Well, some friends asked me if there was a change in my last name. :) hehehe. So, here is the explanation: Just a typo! :) later, Mentor From arenc at att.net Mon May 14 10:06:06 2001 From: arenc at att.net (Arenc Leka) Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:06:06 -0700 Subject: [NYC-L] Eda Zari Message-ID: THE JAZZ PRIMA DONNA FROM ALBANIA ... Extract from the newspaper Wuppertaler Zeitung-Germany (Frank Becker, 06 March 2000): ?Eda Zari, an orchid among the blossoms of female jazz singing, took the lead with her strong and smooth voice. Western perfection succinctly combined with the melodies and fragrance of the Orient. The title 'Oriental Rose,' composed especially for her (Pretschner), contained it all. Visions of a 'Thousand and One Nights' were called to life in a dialogue with Gabriel P?rerez (alto saxophone) and his clarinet. Another impressive duo was 'Without you' with Pretschner at the piano. Eda Zari, a soprano of classical training, possesses not only the timbre of jazz but also the charisma which makes it an true experience. Fullness, strength and sensitivity are the prime elements of her performance. It is not without reason that LAIKA Records has taken her on as an performer. She will be in New York and Boston for recording sessions in early April, but will nonetheless continue to work as a guest for the Wuppertal studios 'Greenhouse Music.' One of her song is called 'Hope to see you again' and we certainly agree with that. Extract from Rheinische Post-Germany (Claudia Danners, 04 Sept 2000) The Albanian singer Eda Zari joined the band just before the break to add her expressive voice to the music. She began in soft tones and went from there, in a noble contest with the saxophone and guitar. She reached the high notes with melodious perfection and introduced the deep ones in a discreet and smoky voice. The 29 year old graduate of singing repeatedly introduced Oriental elements of style in a rich and yet playful manner. Extract from the newspaper-english (HDH, 05 September 2000) AROUND THE WORLD ON THE WINGS OF MUSIC .. The music of Albanian singer Eda Zari was enough to thrill visitors, too. With her rich and differentiating voice, she added balance and perfection to the seven jass musicians of the band. Whether it was the gentle, almost smoky 'Hope to see you again' or the lively and dynamic 'Dancing in my bed,' the large audience was delighted with the quality of the singer's performance. The zenith of it all was adreamy composition called 'Sing the song' in which the rich tones of her voice intertwined with the lonely echo of the piano and the sounds of the other instruments. Extract from Bonner Anzeige-Zeitung -Germany(Paul Robert, 06 Nov 2000) FEUILLETON BETWEEN JAZZ AND POP AT BONN'S BEETHOVEN HOUSE ... Eda Zari and the band then performed jazz, soul and ethnic pop. Their repertory consisted exclusively of compositions of their own, many in ambitious arrangements. The group gave convincing evidence of a professional performance and a high standard of music. Concert Information www.arencpro.com www.arencpro.com 212-675-9466 Recoding Studio & Designe. Concerts & Artistic Activities. From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Fri May 18 13:20:49 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (imerprishtina at hotmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NYC-L] NYTimes.com Article: A Trail of Misery as Macedonia Fights Albanian Insurgency Message-ID: <20010518172049.4EAED15C29@email4.lga2.nytimes.com> This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by imerprishtina at hotmail.com. Ju pershendese te gjitheve, Nje artikull interesant ne NY Times sot, ku permenden "teknikat" e 'maqedoncave' si ato te serbeve/policise ne Kosove... Imeri /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Looking for better IT solutions? Toshiba is uniting digital, mobile and network innovations in a bold new vision of Information Technology for today and tomorrow. Take a closer look at life in the new Digital Age. And imagine how good IT can be. 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Message-ID: >From: "Uk Lushi" >To: dardanblaku at hotmail.com >CC: danadacosta at hotmail.com >Subject: Do YOU want to do something good and worthy?! >Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:52:19 -0000 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Uk Lushi" Subject: Do YOU want to do something good and worthy?! Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 23:52:19 -0000 Size: 33002 Url: http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/nyc-l/attachments/20010518/b37e7dec/attachment.mht From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Wed May 23 05:23:31 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 05:23:31 Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Warning/ Virus i ri ne internet Message-ID: Ju pershendese te gjitheve, Hi everybody, I thoght this info. might be important. I apologize to those who know about it. 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Your hard drive will >>>crash >>>and someone from the Internet will get your screen name and password! DO >>>NOT DOWNLOAD IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! >>> > It just went into circulation yesterday. Please distribute this >>>message.This >>> > is a new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it. This >>> > information was announced yesterday morning from Microsoft. >>> > Please share it with everyone that might access the Internet. >>> > >>> > Once again, Pass This Along To EVERYONE in your address book so that >>>this >>> > may >>> > be stopped. AOL has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that >>>there >>> > is NO remedy for it at this time. >>> > >>> > This is VERY important. If you receive a screen saver from a friend or >>> anyone you may not know with the Budweiser Frogs in it, DO NOT DOWNLOAD >>>IT OR >>>OPEN >>> > THE FILE! >> >> > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Sat May 26 07:22:40 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:22:40 Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [ALBANIAN] Greece opposes Kosov@ independence Message-ID: Hi everybody, JU pershendes te gjitheve nga NY, First I'd like to thank people who provided info. about accomodation in NY. Going back to Kreshnik's posting: Yes, I think that is true, i.e. that so-called Inter. Comm., translate, Great Powers are trying to persuade Albanians for less than independence and I would be surprised if this was not the case. Yes, they are sending a message, and even repeating it very often that they do not favor Kosova's independence. No surprise at all. To me this is normal flow of the process. Wasn't this the case with former Yugoslavia too, i.e. trying not to allow new countries to be created such as Slovenia, Croatia etc. Once it was seen that it cannot be stopped it was excepted. "Inter. Community" simply wants less "players" in the "football pitch", which again is easy to be understood as it makes easier decissions to be made etc. etc. etc. I would rather say that Albanians need to concentrate in sending their message, i.e. unequivocally, all three main political parties, every day, in every place and all the time that: Kosovan Albanians will never agree to any kind arrangements or "legal framework" or whatever name is used, that allowes Serbia (we all know that Yugoslavia was and is the synonym for Serbia) to decide on behalf of Kosovan Albanians any issue at all. At the same time we, Kosovan Albanians must work to build a democratic society that will be a good argument that we can govern ourselves. This will be the strongest argument on our favor together with the repetition of the will of Kosovan Albanians never to live within any third or fourth Serbia/Yugoslavia. I am sure that Inter. Comm. relies on the time factor, and it is our duty to explain that our decission is as strong as it can be and it will not change (at least) in decades to come. The mentality and the thinking of people that have their own country in general is different to those that strive to have one, for the very reason that the former have their own country, so this should nor surprise us. They work according to thier "plan" and we should work united according to our own towards making them believe that there is no other solution for Kosova than an Independent and Democratic Kosovan Sociaty, later to be admitted in the EU and other regional structures for cooperation. Thanks/ Ju falemnderit Imer Privious message from Kreshnik Bejo: > > >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< > http://www.alb-net.com/amcc >__________________________________________________________________________ > >From ANA daily bulletin: > ><...> >In reference to the Balkans, Messrs. Papandreou and [US Sec. of State >Colin]Powell discussed the future of Kosovo, while the Greek FM said a >clear >message should be sent to all that the U.S. and the EU do not support the >province's independence. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >__________________________________________________________________________ > > Humanitarian Foundation "Liria Kombetare" > http://www.liriakombtare.com/ > > Cultural Humanitarian Organization - MERHAMET > http://www.merhamet.com/ > > Maps of Albania, Albanian Lands and Balkans > http://www.albanian.com/main/maps/index.html > >__________________________________________________________________________ >Opinions expressed on ALBANIAN do NOT necessarily reflect the views of the >owner, co-owners and/or moderators, nor any of their host institutions. >**>>> Technical support: albanian-request at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu <<<<** _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From mentor at alb-net.com Sun May 27 02:58:49 2001 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 02:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] DPA LEADER XHAFERI: "The representatives of 'NLA' are no terrorists"; 'NLA' occurred "as a result of the dissatisfaction of the people Message-ID: DPA LEADER XHAFERI: - "The representatives of 'NLA' are no terrorists" - 'NLA' occurred "as a result of the dissatisfaction of the people - Macedonia Albanian's requests are "reasonable and guarantee the territorial integrity of the country" - "MACEDONIA WILL EXIST IF IT CHANGES ITS CONSTITUTION" http://www.mia.com.mk DPA LEADER XHAFERI: MACEDONIA WILL EXIST IF IT CHANGES ITS CONSTITUTION Sofia, May 26 (MIA) - "The representatives of 'NLA' are not terrorists, as the terrorists do not have political leaders, do not wear uniforms and do not have political program," DPA leader Arben Xhaferi stated in his interview for Bulgarian daily "Monitor". As MIA reports, Xhaferi stresses that the so-called 'NLA' occurred "as a result of the dissatisfaction of the people", underlining that "those that are self organized, have political program and political representatives." According to DPA leader, Macedonia will exists only if it changes its Constitution. Unless it fulfills the requests of the Albanians, which are reasonable and guarantee the territorial integrity of the country, "Macedonia will fall in constitutional crisis." Assessing that "the international community supports the demands of the Albanians in Macedonia," Xhaferi stresses that it is being worked on establishing peace and demilitarization of the so-called NLA, which would create conditions for political dialogue. He thinks that the negotiations will end by November, and by then the demands will be fulfilled. According to Xhaferi Macedonia is a small state, which cannot resist the permanent political and military pressure as well as the destabilization of its institutions. At the end of the interview for "Monitor", DPA leader Arben Xhaferi concludes that "if Macedonia continues with its ethnic stubbornness, ethnic states will be established as the only possible model for establishing peace on the Balkans." sa/vd/16:41 From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Sun May 27 17:24:07 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:24:07 Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" Message-ID: > --- Prishtina-E Discussion Forum --- > Archives: www.alb-net.com/pipermail/prishtina-e > >Bomba n? Maqedonifishekzjarre n? Tiran? > > > > V?shtir? t? gjendet di?ka m? cinike se >fishekzjarret e hedhura dje n? qiellin e Tiran?s. Dy >partit? m? t? m?dha t? Shqip?ris? nis?n secila me nj? >fest? agresive fushat?n elektorale. N? t? nj?jt?n >koh? qielli i vendit fqinj? p?rshkohej nga predhat e >mortajeve. Dje mund t? ket? qen? dita m? e zez? p?r >shqiptar?t e Maqedonis?. M? shum? se dhjet? civil? t? >vrar?, mes tyre dhe f?mij?, reth 150 t? plagosur, ky >ka qen? bilanci tragjik i bombardimeve intensive t? >ushtris? maqedonase mbi popullsin? civile shqiptare, >t? cil?t merrnin arratin? nga banesat e tyre p?r t'i >shp?tuar vdekjes. Askush nuk tha dje asnj? fjal? p?r >?far? po ndodhte n? Maqedoni. Si drejtuesit e partis? >n? pushtet ashtu dhe ata t? opozit?s. B?rtit?n >p?r gjith?ka. Fitoren e tyre e shapll?n si shp?timin e >Shqip?ris?. N? dhjet?ra fjalime q? u mbajt?n n? t? dy >mitingjet e zhvilluara dje n? Tiran?, asnj? prej atyre >q? nes?r pretendon t? marr? p?rgjegj?sin? p?r t? >drejtuar qeverin? e Shqip?rin? nuk tha asnj? fjal?, >qoft? dhe nj? fjal? t? vetme, p?r at? q? ndodh n? >Maqedoni. Muzik?, postera, flamuj q? val?viteshin, >njer?z me barqe t? k?rcyera q? ishin ngjitur n? >tribun?, por mbi t? gjitha fishekzjarr?, krismat e t? >cil?ve trembnin kalimtar?t q? nuk kishin nd?rmend t? >shikonin fars?n e rradh?s, ishte gjith?ka q? ndodhi >dje n? mbr?mje n? dy skajet e Sheshit Sk?nderbej. Si >t? mos mjaftonte kjo, mitingjet u kthyen m? pas n? >koncerte me k?ng?tar? t? paguar nga fondet e partive, >t? cil?t k?nduan para turmave q? nga rapsodit? deri >tek k?ng?t e ahengjeve. Altoparlant?t me volumin e >ngritur n? kup? t? qiellit t? ngjallnin krup?. > > >Dje u hap fushata elektorale n? Shqip?ri me show e >fishekzjarre. Nuk ka miopi m? t? madhe politike se >heshtja, harresa, braktisja e asaj q? po ndodh n? >Maqedoni. Ca m? tep?r n? dit?n kur pretendon se po >shpalos alternativ?n p?r t? marr? pushtetin dhe >drejtuar vendin. Ajo q? po ndodh n? vendin fqinj duhet >t? kishte qen? nj? nga pistat kryesore t? platfromave >politike q? paraqit?n dy kampet e politik?s. Jo >thjesht p?r patriotiz?m. Por dhe sikur t? zulu t? >kishin qen? ata q? ndodheshin dje n?n bombardime e >ushtris? dhe jo bashk?kombas, politikan?t shqiptar? >duhet t? kishin shprehur q?ndrimin e tyre. Sigurisht >n?se e kan? nj? q?ndrim. Dhe nj? nx?n?s shkolle e di >q? >lufta n? nj? vend fqinj frenon zhvillimik ekonomik dhe >n? vendin e tij. Nuk jan? vet?m turmat e refugjat?ve >q? shkakton lufta civile, t? cilat mund t? vijn? drejt >Shqip?ris?. Por investitor?t largohen nga nj? rajon i >p?rfshir? nga lufta. Ajo q? po ndodh n? Maqedoni ka >dhe pritet t? ket? pasoja akoma m? t? m?dha n? >Shhqip?ri. Askush nuk tha se ?far? roli do luaj? n? >politik?n rajonale q? t? zgjidhet konflikti >i armatosur n? Maqedoni. As q? imagjinohet pastaj q? >t? deklaronin di?ka se ?far? roli do luaj? diplomcia e >Tiran?s p?r t? zgjidhur k?rkesat e bashk?kombasve t? >tyre n? Maqedoni. Dje n? dyja kampet u >b?rtit p?r fitore. Q? dit?n e par? t? fushat?s u >hodh?n n? aj?r fishekzjarre. P?r ?far?? Kujt i hyn n? >pun? ajo fitore? ?far? do b?jn? pas atij "triumfi". T? >dyja kampet shqiptuan t? nj?jtin avaz. T? djatht?t >premtuan s?rish pensione 50 dollar?, rroga minimale >100 dollar?, p?rgjysmim taksash. T? majt?t than? se do >vazhdojn? privatizimin dhe do integrojn? Shqip?rin? n? >BE. Por asnj? prej tyre nuk tha se n? m?nyr? direkte >apo indirekte, gjith?ka q? premtuan, kusht?zohet dhe >nga fati i atyre shqiptar?ve q? nuk kishin dje >mund?sin? t? shikonin fishekzjarret n? Tiran?, por >p?rpiqeshin t? mbronin f?mij?t e tyre nga bombat. > > > >gazetari>> Ilir Babaramo > > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________________ >Prishtina-E discussion forum: Prishtina-E at alb-net.com >http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/prishtina-e _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Ebozdo at aol.com Sun May 27 13:57:06 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:57:06 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" Message-ID: <26.16013727.284299f2@aol.com> Artikull shume interesant! Vetem se nuk e di cfare mendon artikullshkruesi dhe te tjere artikullshkrues per shqiptaret e Maqedonise pjesemarrres ne qeverine maqedonase dhe per qendrimin e partive politike shqipatre ne Maqedoni dhe Kosove... Pa dashur te perserit ato qe dihen, nese dikush do qe te lexoje deklaraten e qeverise shqiptare leshuar me kete rast, mund ta drejtoj ne web-in perkates! Ajo qe eshte e turpshme, eshte pikerisht perdorimi i ceshtjes se drejte te shqiptareve te Maqedonise edhe nga i bardhi, edhe nga i ziu sipas rastit...Cfare trishtimi per ne shqiptaret, por jo te vetmit te ketij lloji!... Etleva -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From pilika at yahoo.com Sun May 27 14:15:46 2001 From: pilika at yahoo.com (Asti Pilika) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 11:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" In-Reply-To: <26.16013727.284299f2@aol.com> Message-ID: <20010527181546.1630.qmail@web14208.mail.yahoo.com> Nuk besoj se jam i vetmi qe dua te lexoj deklaraten e qeverise shqiptare. Te lutem na e dergo ose na drejto ta lexojme. Sa per pjesemarrjen e shqiptareve ne qeverine maqedonase, problemi nuk eshte aq i thjeshte. Politika nuk eshte bardhe e zi. Disa do te perpiqen ta influencojne me kallash, disa te tjere duke u zgjedhur deputete e ministra. Rendesi ka qe te gjithe t'i sherbejne interesit shqiptar. Konkretisht, te dyja partite shqiptare te Maqedonise jane ne qeveri. Ne kete kohe krize, programet e tyre jane thuajse te njejta, ndaj nuk eshte cudi te shkrihen. Pastaj po ta shohesh historikisht ndarjen e tyre, ka qene nje proces me shume dinamik e fitimprures, sesa percares. Nejse, ky ishte vetem mendimi im, po ne keto raste gjakftohtesia politike eshte thelbesore, sidomos ne kete kohe globalizmi. Ajo nuk mund te krahasohet me harresen apo neglizhencen e forcave politike ne shtetin ame. --- Ebozdo at aol.com wrote: > Artikull shume interesant! > > Vetem se nuk e di cfare mendon artikullshkruesi dhe > te tjere artikullshkrues > per shqiptaret e Maqedonise pjesemarrres ne qeverine > maqedonase dhe per > qendrimin e partive politike shqipatre ne Maqedoni > dhe Kosove... > > Pa dashur te perserit ato qe dihen, nese dikush do > qe te lexoje deklaraten e > qeverise shqiptare leshuar me kete rast, mund ta > drejtoj ne web-in perkates! > > Ajo qe eshte e turpshme, eshte pikerisht perdorimi i > ceshtjes se drejte te > shqiptareve te Maqedonise edhe nga i bardhi, edhe > nga i ziu sipas > rastit...Cfare trishtimi per ne shqiptaret, por jo > te vetmit te ketij > lloji!... > > Etleva > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ From Ebozdo at aol.com Sun May 27 15:31:09 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:31:09 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] "Gazeta Shqiptare"/ pergjigje Pilikes Message-ID: Meqe nuk e kisha fshire ende kete deklarate te perfaqsuesit shqiptar po e dergoj ne liste. Perndryshe ju mund te gjeni me shume material tek http://www.depinf.albnet.net. Kurresesi nuk mendoj se politika ka vetem nje ngjyre. Perkundrazi, une e vleresoj politiken shqiptare ne Shkup-Tirane-Prishtine krejt ne unison dhe si asnjehere tjeter te bashkrenduar per problemin konkret. Ajo qe une nuk kuptoj eshte pikerisht keqinterpretimi i politikes se Tiranes. Dikush ndoshta mendon se vetem keshtu mund te demtohet ceshtja socialiste (ose komuniste...s'ka rendesi). Ne fakt ndodh ndryshe: Keshtu demtohet ceshtja jone kombetare. Ciletdo qofshin ne pushtet ne Tirane, ata jane shqiptare dhe ne duhet te kuptojme se ceshtja shqiptare qendron mbi politikat e partive qe jane ne fakt lufte per pushtet. Eshte interesante, por jo per t'u habitur se sa shume njerez ne kete liste kane mendime te gabuara per luften politike ne Shqiperi. Dhe jo vetem kaq, por ata nuk permbahen dot e behen publike... Dhe cfare eshte akoma me shume per te ardhur keq, ata mendojne se kjo eshte shenje e patriotizmit. Por harrojne se duke i nadre shqipatert e Shqiperise ne komuniste, socialiste, demokrate a zogiste...Ata ne fakt e demtojne ceshtjen kombetare. Sikurse e demton edhe ideja se myslimanet kane tradhetuar fene "shqipatare" katolike, ose se ortodokset shqiptare jane greke, ose se katoliket shqiptare...etj, etj. Per mua kombi shqiptar, pavarsisht se ku jeton, pavarsisht se c'parti voton a cilit zot i falet (perfshi ketu edhe ata qe s'falen) i intereson me shume se cdo gje ceshtja shqiptare. Jashte kesaj s'ka dhe s'mund te kete patriotizem te vertete. Me poshte keni edhe deklaraten e qeverise shqiptare. Gjithe te mirat, Etleva Deklarate e zedhenesit te qeverise se Shqiperise? Interesimit te gazetareve lidhur me ofensiven e fundit te ushtrise maqedonase, zedhenesi i qeverise se Shqiperise,iu pergjigj me komentin e meposhtem: Shprehim keqardhjen e thelle per vrasjen e dhe plagosjen e njerezve te pafajshem nga ana e ushtrise maqedonase. Ngjarje te tilla demtojne seriozisht dialogun politik? dhe bashkejetesen midis kombesive te ndryshme ne Maqedoni. Qeveria e Shqiperise mendon se asnje pretekst nuk mund te justifikoje vrasjen e njerezve te pafajshem. Ajo ben edhe njehere thirrje qe te ndalet menjehere dhuna e armatosur dhe te filloje? dialogu politik, per te cilen edhe u krijua qeveria e koalicionit me baze te gjere ne Maqedoni. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Mon May 28 01:16:29 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 01:16:29 Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" Message-ID: E nderuara Etleva, Me fale por si duket ju apriori i keni vene detyre qe te mbroni qeverin shqiptare prej cdo kritike. Per ju si duket ajo eshte e pagabueshme. Ky qendrim i juaj shihet hapur ne shkrimet e deritanishme. Eshte shenje e pjekurise politike qe nje person te ket qendrim ndaj qeverise se tij/saj qofte ajo Qeveria e Kosoves, e Shqiperise apo e Mlajzise. Besoj se je ne SHBA, atehere merre si shembull qendrimin e amerikaneve ndaj qeverise se tyre, ata e respektojne por gjerat qe vin nga qeveria i marrin me rezerve e jo te behen propagandues te perhershem te saj. Pra une nuk munde te pajtohem me kete qendim tuajin. Normalishte ju keni te drjte te keni qendrimin tuaj dhe te mundoheni te mbroni qeverin shqiptare ne vazhdimesi por dierisa kete e beni publikishte besoj se pajtoheni se eshte e drejte e publikut/ne kete raste e imja/ qe te shpreh mendimin tim lidhur me kete. Sa i perkete partive politike shqiptare ne Maqedoni, si duket ju nuk e dini se kan kerkesa te njejta me UCK-n, dhe kurr nuk i kan quajtur "terrorist" apo perdore terma tjere derogues ndaj tyre. Takimi i tyre me Ali Ahmetin perfaqesues politik i UCK-se dhe nenshrimi i marrveshjes i ka zene fjetur te gjithe. Nuk e di se cka munde te kerkohet me shume se pranimi nga ana e partive shq. te UCK-se si pale ne bisedime. Pra une nuk them se nuk ka vende per kritika ndaj partive politike ne Maqedoni, por duke i marr parasysh veshtersite ne te cilat ato veprojne dhe presionin qe vaxhdimishte eshte ushtruar dhe ushtrohet ndaj tyre nga te huajte, p.sh. tani qe te heqin dore nga marrveshja, nuk munde te mohohet roli i tyre pozitive qe te huajte te kuptojne se nuk eshte vetem UCK-ja qe i ka ato kerkesa. Arben Xhaferi ka perseritur vazhdimisht se problemi eshte i brendshem dhe se diskriminimi ka qene me dekada. E nderuara Etleve keni permendur edhe qeshtje tjera qe besoj nuk kan te bejne me kete ceshtje, ne te cilat nuk dua te ndalem, por per mua si shqipetare nuk ka fare rendesi cila parti e ka qeverine nese ajo punon si duhet. Pse presupozoni gjera. Deklaraten e lexova por nuk e shohe te nevojshme te paraqese shume deklarata te cilat jame e sigurt se ju i dini, dhe nese ju kujtohet keni tentuar ti arsyetoni si politike "e mencur". Qeveria shqipetare me punen e saj te deritashme per mua si nje shqipetare i thjeshte qe i ndjej problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni pa asnje dallim si te ndodhnin ne Prishtine, Qeveria shqipetare po mundohet te akumuloj poena per tu afruar me BE dmth per nenshkrimin e marrveshjes per Stabilizim dhe Asocim, dhe integrimet tjera rajonale ne dem te ceshtjes kombetare ne pergjithese dhe te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni konkretishe ne momentine tanishem. Poe perfundoj duke thene se qytetari edhe ne nje shoqeri demokratike duhet vazhdimishte te jete kritik ndaj qeverise se tije/saj. Ju pershendese Imeri >From: Ebozdo at aol.com >Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta >Shqiptare" >Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 13:57:06 EDT > >Artikull shume interesant! > >Vetem se nuk e di cfare mendon artikullshkruesi dhe te tjere >artikullshkrues >per shqiptaret e Maqedonise pjesemarrres ne qeverine maqedonase dhe per >qendrimin e partive politike shqipatre ne Maqedoni dhe Kosove... > >Pa dashur te perserit ato qe dihen, nese dikush do qe te lexoje deklaraten >e >qeverise shqiptare leshuar me kete rast, mund ta drejtoj ne web-in >perkates! > >Ajo qe eshte e turpshme, eshte pikerisht perdorimi i ceshtjes se drejte te >shqiptareve te Maqedonise edhe nga i bardhi, edhe nga i ziu sipas >rastit...Cfare trishtimi per ne shqiptaret, por jo te vetmit te ketij >lloji!... > >Etleva _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From Ebozdo at aol.com Mon May 28 09:48:28 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 09:48:28 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" Message-ID: In a message dated 5/27/01 6:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, imerprishtina at hotmail.com writes: > > E nderuara Etleva, > > Me fale por si duket ju apriori i keni vene detyre qe te mbroni qeverin > shqiptare prej cdo kritike. > Per ju si duket ajo eshte e pagabueshme. Ky qendrim i juaj shihet hapur ne > shkrimet e deritanishme. Hahaha! Jo Imer gabohesh. S'eshte kjo ideja ose s'eshte ky "misioni" im. E para sepse une s'jam e zonja ta bej kete dhe e dyta sepse qeveria shqiptare duket s'ka ndonje ide te me ngarkoje mua kete detyre...Ne te kundert, mos valle ju i keni vene vehtes detyre vetem te kritikoni qeverine shqiptare?? Pyetja eshte vetem per koencidence te idese suaj, sepse une normalisht nuk mendoj ashtu. > Eshte shenje e pjekurise politike qe nje person te ket qendrim ndaj qeverise > se tij/saj qofte ajo Qeveria e Kosoves, e Shqiperise apo e Mlajzise. Besoj > se je ne SHBA, atehere merre si shembull qendrimin e amerikaneve ndaj > qeverise se tyre, ata e respektojne por gjerat qe vin nga qeveria i marrin > me rezerve e jo te behen propagandues te perhershem te saj. Pra une nuk > munde te pajtohem me kete qendim tuajin. Normalishte ju keni te drjte te > keni qendrimin tuaj dhe te mundoheni te mbroni qeverin shqiptare ne > vazhdimesi por dierisa kete e beni publikishte besoj se pajtoheni se eshte > e > drejte e publikut/ne kete raste e imja/ qe te shpreh mendimin tim lidhur me > kete. Shiko Imer! Perpara se te te sqaroj duhet te te them dicka. Ne shkrimin tim referuar shkrimit qe ju sollet ne liste s'kishte aludim per asnje person konkret, perfshi ketu edhe ju. Megjithese ne zakonin shqiptar femra nuk e ka zakon t'i beje komplimenta mashkullit, une si anetare me te drejta te barabarta ne kete liste, per hir te faktit dhe jo per kompliment, do te thosha se shkrimet tuaja me bejne te mendoj se kam te bej me nje intelektual dhe patriot perparimtar shqiptar. Dhe vetem ne kete kuptim une kam biseduar dhe debatuar me ju. > > Sa i perkete partive politike shqiptare ne Maqedoni, si duket ju nuk e dini > se kan kerkesa te njejta me UCK-n, dhe kurr nuk i kan quajtur "terrorist" > apo perdore terma tjere derogues ndaj tyre. > > Takimi i tyre me Ali Ahmetin perfaqesues politik i UCK-se dhe nenshrimi i > marrveshjes i ka zene fjetur te gjithe. Nuk e di se cka munde te kerkohet > me > shume se pranimi nga ana e partive shq. te UCK-se si pale ne bisedime. NE ceshtjen konkrete: Partite politike shqiptare kane perfaqsuesit e vet ne qeverine maqedonase, e cila me ate qe beri ndaj popullsise civile shqipare ne Maqedoni, meriton emrin terroriste. Por dikush gjeti guximin te kritikoje fishekzjarret e hedhur ne Tirane ne nje dite te zakonshme elektorale, por nuk tha asgje pse ministrat shqiptare vazhdoje te jene ne kete qeveri terroriste qe vret shqiptaret?! Nese partite politike shqiptare vazhdojne luften e tyre poltike ne Maqedoni me forma te tjera (Krejt normale) pse ne Shqiperi duhet qe dita e shpalljes se zgjedhjeve te shpallej "zi kombetare"?! Kete une nuk e kuptova dot. > > Pra une nuk them se nuk ka vende per kritika ndaj partive politike ne > Maqedoni, por duke i marr parasysh veshtersite ne te cilat ato veprojne dhe > presionin qe vaxhdimishte eshte ushtruar dhe ushtrohet ndaj tyre nga te > huajte, p.sh. tani qe te heqin dore nga marrveshja, nuk munde te mohohet > roli i tyre pozitive qe te huajte te kuptojne se nuk eshte vetem UCK-ja qe > i > ka ato kerkesa. > > Arben Xhaferi ka perseritur vazhdimisht se problemi eshte i brendshem dhe > se > diskriminimi ka qene me dekada. Po e perserit: S'me duket se ka ndonje mosperputhje ne deklaratat qe behen te Tirane, Prishtine e Shkup. Kjo me ben te mendoj se forcat politke shqiptare, kudo ku jane jane bashkrenduar me shume se cdo here ne kete pike, sic me duket mua me shume sukses. > > E nderuara Etleve keni permendur edhe qeshtje tjera qe besoj nuk kan te > bejne me kete ceshtje, ne te cilat nuk dua te ndalem, por per mua si > shqipetare nuk ka fare rendesi cila parti e ka qeverine nese ajo punon si > duhet. Pse presupozoni gjera. > > Deklaraten e lexova por nuk e shohe te nevojshme te paraqese shume > deklarata > te cilat jame e sigurt se ju i dini, dhe nese ju kujtohet keni tentuar ti > arsyetoni si politike "e mencur". Hahahaha. Politika e mencur e qeverise shqiptare, he? Ne fakt ne s'duhet te harrojme se shteti i sotem shqiptar eshte i vetmi fryt i perpjekjeve shekullore shqiptare per liri e pavarsi. Ne duhet ta forcojme ate. > > Qeveria shqipetare me punen e saj te deritashme per mua si nje shqipetare i > thjeshte qe i ndjej problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni pa asnje dallim si > te ndodhnin ne Prishtine, Qeveria shqipetare po mundohet te akumuloj poena > per tu afruar me BE dmth per nenshkrimin e marrveshjes per Stabilizim dhe > Asocim, dhe integrimet tjera rajonale ne dem te ceshtjes kombetare ne > pergjithese dhe te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni konkretishe ne momentine > tanishem. Absolutisht jam kundra. Qe qeveria shqiptare perpiqet te krijoje kredibilitet politik (sic i themi ne ne Shqiperi), kjo eshte normale dhe i intereson kombit. Por ajo kurre, ne asnje rast s'me duket se e kerkon kete duke TRADHETUAR ceshtjen shqiptare ne pergjithesi dhe ate ne Maqedoni ne vecanti. Shiko Imer! Eshte e qarte se ka nje konflikt te vjeter etnik ne Maqedoni. Per mua duket sikur levizja shqiptare qe ka filluar atje eshte ende e paorganizuar mire dhe sic me duket mua ka sjelle nje lloj konfuzioni politik edhe ne rradhet e politikes shqiptare (Tirane-Shkup-Prishtine). Nuk ka nje program te bashkimit te tokave shqiptare ne nje shtet te vetem. Ceshtja e bashkimit te Gjermanive nuk ndihmon, sepse Gjermanite ishin dy shtete te lira per te vetvendosur dhe te fuqishme per ta bere kete. Ne rastin konkret ne kemi nje shtet shqiptar te vogel e te dobet ekonomikisht dhe pjesen tjeter shqiptare me status te pa percaktuar ende. Mua me duket se ky realitet nuk duhet mohuar. Bile per mua eshte ky qe percakton qendrimin e poltikaneve shqiptare kudo ku jane. > > Poe perfundoj duke thene se qytetari edhe ne nje shoqeri demokratike duhet > vazhdimishte te jete kritik ndaj qeverise se tije/saj. Eshte e drejte. Kjo eshte edhe arsyeja se perse qeveria amerikane, se ciles i paguaj taksa ma ka sjelle ne maje te hundes me qendrimin e saj ndaj ceshtjes shqiptare ne Maqedoni. Ne rastin konkret, persa i perket qendrimit te qeverise shqiptare ne kete ceshtje, mua nuk me duket se kritikat ne drejtim te saj kane lidhje me menyren e qeverisjes se saj. Me se shumti ato i konsideroj simbolikisht te lidhura me ceshtjen tone kombetare dhe VETEM NE KETE ASPEKT, mua me duket se kritika ndaj qeverise shqiptare nuk eshte eficiente, pasi krijon refleksin e gabuar se ajo eshte antishqiptare dhe perderisa s'eshte ashtu, kjo ide e demton problemin tone kombetar. Imer, si do te mendoje ti, cfare jane gabimet e qeverise shqiptare ne politiken e jashtme (Ne lidhje me ceshtjen tone kombetare) dhe cfare duhej ajo te ndryshonte. Dhe se dyti, a ka bere ajo ndonje gje pozitive, apo thjesht vazhdon te jete "antikombetare"?! > > Ju pershendese > > Imeri > Edhe une te pershendes Imer, me konsiderate te larte, Etleva > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From eb246 at columbia.edu Mon May 28 15:19:20 2001 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] artikull interesant ne numrin e sotem te "Gazeta Shqiptare" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Etleva, Ty qeveria shqiptare mbase nuk ta ka ngarkuar detyren qe ta mbrosh por ti kete e ke bere me besnikeri te madhe deri tani. Do ishte interesante me i pa lidhjet e interesave te tua me komunistet diletante qe jane ne pushtet sot ne Shqiperi. GET A LIFE!! Kete keshille e ke nga nje shqiptare Shqiperie meqenese kur t'i kane bere ata te Kosoves e Maqedonise i ke quajtur se "nuk marrin vesh" nga punet ne Shqiperi. Erkanda Bujari On Mon, 28 May 2001 Ebozdo at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/27/01 6:17:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > imerprishtina at hotmail.com writes: > > > > > > E nderuara Etleva, > > > > Me fale por si duket ju apriori i keni vene detyre qe te mbroni qeverin > > shqiptare prej cdo kritike. > > Per ju si duket ajo eshte e pagabueshme. Ky qendrim i juaj shihet hapur ne > > shkrimet e deritanishme. > > Hahaha! Jo Imer gabohesh. S'eshte kjo ideja ose s'eshte ky "misioni" im. E > para sepse une s'jam e zonja ta bej kete dhe e dyta sepse qeveria shqiptare > duket s'ka ndonje ide te me ngarkoje mua kete detyre...Ne te kundert, mos > valle ju i keni vene vehtes detyre vetem te kritikoni qeverine shqiptare?? > Pyetja eshte vetem per koencidence te idese suaj, sepse une normalisht nuk > mendoj ashtu. > > > Eshte shenje e pjekurise politike qe nje person te ket qendrim ndaj qeverise > > se tij/saj qofte ajo Qeveria e Kosoves, e Shqiperise apo e Mlajzise. Besoj > > se je ne SHBA, atehere merre si shembull qendrimin e amerikaneve ndaj > > qeverise se tyre, ata e respektojne por gjerat qe vin nga qeveria i marrin > > me rezerve e jo te behen propagandues te perhershem te saj. Pra une nuk > > munde te pajtohem me kete qendim tuajin. Normalishte ju keni te drjte te > > keni qendrimin tuaj dhe te mundoheni te mbroni qeverin shqiptare ne > > vazhdimesi por dierisa kete e beni publikishte besoj se pajtoheni se eshte > > e > > drejte e publikut/ne kete raste e imja/ qe te shpreh mendimin tim lidhur me > > kete. > > Shiko Imer! Perpara se te te sqaroj duhet te te them dicka. > Ne shkrimin tim referuar shkrimit qe ju sollet ne liste s'kishte aludim per > asnje person konkret, perfshi ketu edhe ju. Megjithese ne zakonin shqiptar > femra nuk e ka zakon t'i beje komplimenta mashkullit, une si anetare me te > drejta te barabarta ne kete liste, per hir te faktit dhe jo per kompliment, > do te thosha se shkrimet tuaja me bejne te mendoj se kam te bej me nje > intelektual dhe patriot perparimtar shqiptar. Dhe vetem ne kete kuptim une > kam biseduar dhe debatuar me ju. > > > > > Sa i perkete partive politike shqiptare ne Maqedoni, si duket ju nuk e dini > > se kan kerkesa te njejta me UCK-n, dhe kurr nuk i kan quajtur "terrorist" > > apo perdore terma tjere derogues ndaj tyre. > > > > Takimi i tyre me Ali Ahmetin perfaqesues politik i UCK-se dhe nenshrimi i > > marrveshjes i ka zene fjetur te gjithe. Nuk e di se cka munde te kerkohet > > me > > shume se pranimi nga ana e partive shq. te UCK-se si pale ne bisedime. > > NE ceshtjen konkrete: Partite politike shqiptare kane perfaqsuesit e vet ne > qeverine maqedonase, e cila me ate qe beri ndaj popullsise civile shqipare ne > Maqedoni, meriton emrin terroriste. Por dikush gjeti guximin te kritikoje > fishekzjarret e hedhur ne Tirane ne nje dite te zakonshme elektorale, por nuk > tha asgje pse ministrat shqiptare vazhdoje te jene ne kete qeveri terroriste > qe vret shqiptaret?! Nese partite politike shqiptare vazhdojne luften e tyre > poltike ne Maqedoni me forma te tjera (Krejt normale) pse ne Shqiperi duhet > qe dita e shpalljes se zgjedhjeve te shpallej "zi kombetare"?! Kete une nuk e > kuptova dot. > > > > > Pra une nuk them se nuk ka vende per kritika ndaj partive politike ne > > Maqedoni, por duke i marr parasysh veshtersite ne te cilat ato veprojne dhe > > presionin qe vaxhdimishte eshte ushtruar dhe ushtrohet ndaj tyre nga te > > huajte, p.sh. tani qe te heqin dore nga marrveshja, nuk munde te mohohet > > roli i tyre pozitive qe te huajte te kuptojne se nuk eshte vetem UCK-ja qe > > i > > ka ato kerkesa. > > > > Arben Xhaferi ka perseritur vazhdimisht se problemi eshte i brendshem dhe > > se > > diskriminimi ka qene me dekada. > > Po e perserit: S'me duket se ka ndonje mosperputhje ne deklaratat qe behen te > Tirane, Prishtine e Shkup. Kjo me ben te mendoj se forcat politke shqiptare, > kudo ku jane jane bashkrenduar me shume se cdo here ne kete pike, sic me > duket mua me shume sukses. > > > > > E nderuara Etleve keni permendur edhe qeshtje tjera qe besoj nuk kan te > > bejne me kete ceshtje, ne te cilat nuk dua te ndalem, por per mua si > > shqipetare nuk ka fare rendesi cila parti e ka qeverine nese ajo punon si > > duhet. Pse presupozoni gjera. > > > > Deklaraten e lexova por nuk e shohe te nevojshme te paraqese shume > > deklarata > > te cilat jame e sigurt se ju i dini, dhe nese ju kujtohet keni tentuar ti > > arsyetoni si politike "e mencur". > > Hahahaha. Politika e mencur e qeverise shqiptare, he? Ne fakt ne s'duhet te > harrojme se shteti i sotem shqiptar eshte i vetmi fryt i perpjekjeve > shekullore shqiptare per liri e pavarsi. Ne duhet ta forcojme ate. > > > > > Qeveria shqipetare me punen e saj te deritashme per mua si nje shqipetare i > > thjeshte qe i ndjej problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni pa asnje dallim si > > te ndodhnin ne Prishtine, Qeveria shqipetare po mundohet te akumuloj poena > > per tu afruar me BE dmth per nenshkrimin e marrveshjes per Stabilizim dhe > > Asocim, dhe integrimet tjera rajonale ne dem te ceshtjes kombetare ne > > pergjithese dhe te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni konkretishe ne momentine > > tanishem. > > Absolutisht jam kundra. Qe qeveria shqiptare perpiqet te krijoje kredibilitet > politik (sic i themi ne ne Shqiperi), kjo eshte normale dhe i intereson > kombit. Por ajo kurre, ne asnje rast s'me duket se e kerkon kete duke > TRADHETUAR ceshtjen shqiptare ne pergjithesi dhe ate ne Maqedoni ne vecanti. > Shiko Imer! Eshte e qarte se ka nje konflikt te vjeter etnik ne Maqedoni. Per > mua duket sikur levizja shqiptare qe ka filluar atje eshte ende e > paorganizuar mire dhe sic me duket mua ka sjelle nje lloj konfuzioni politik > edhe ne rradhet e politikes shqiptare (Tirane-Shkup-Prishtine). Nuk ka nje > program te bashkimit te tokave shqiptare ne nje shtet te vetem. Ceshtja e > bashkimit te Gjermanive nuk ndihmon, sepse Gjermanite ishin dy shtete te lira > per te vetvendosur dhe te fuqishme per ta bere kete. Ne rastin konkret ne > kemi nje shtet shqiptar te vogel e te dobet ekonomikisht dhe pjesen tjeter > shqiptare me status te pa percaktuar ende. Mua me duket se ky realitet nuk > duhet mohuar. Bile per mua eshte ky qe percakton qendrimin e poltikaneve > shqiptare kudo ku jane. > > > > > Poe perfundoj duke thene se qytetari edhe ne nje shoqeri demokratike duhet > > vazhdimishte te jete kritik ndaj qeverise se tije/saj. > > Eshte e drejte. Kjo eshte edhe arsyeja se perse qeveria amerikane, se ciles i > paguaj taksa ma ka sjelle ne maje te hundes me qendrimin e saj ndaj ceshtjes > shqiptare ne Maqedoni. > Ne rastin konkret, persa i perket qendrimit te qeverise shqiptare ne kete > ceshtje, mua nuk me duket se kritikat ne drejtim te saj kane lidhje me > menyren e qeverisjes se saj. Me se shumti ato i konsideroj simbolikisht te > lidhura me ceshtjen tone kombetare dhe VETEM NE KETE ASPEKT, mua me duket se > kritika ndaj qeverise shqiptare nuk eshte eficiente, pasi krijon refleksin e > gabuar se ajo eshte antishqiptare dhe perderisa s'eshte ashtu, kjo ide e > demton problemin tone kombetar. > > Imer, si do te mendoje ti, cfare jane gabimet e qeverise shqiptare ne > politiken e jashtme (Ne lidhje me ceshtjen tone kombetare) dhe cfare duhej > ajo te ndryshonte. > Dhe se dyti, a ka bere ajo ndonje gje pozitive, apo thjesht vazhdon te jete > "antikombetare"?! > > > > > Ju pershendese > > > > Imeri > > > > Edhe une te pershendes Imer, > me konsiderate te larte, > > Etleva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ****************************************************************** From Ebozdo at aol.com Mon May 28 20:28:49 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 20:28:49 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] "Gazeta Shqiptare"// E.Bujari Message-ID: In a message dated 5/28/01 12:20:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eb246 at columbia.edu writes: > Etleva, > > Ty qeveria shqiptare mbase nuk ta ka ngarkuar detyren qe ta mbrosh por > ti kete e ke bere me besnikeri te madhe deri tani. ...Dhe per dijeni te te gjithe atyre qe duan ta dijne, une do te vazhdoj te bej ate qe me imponon arsyeja ime dhe jo arsyeja e tjeterkujt. Te lutem, nqs mundesh, njoftoje qeverine shqiptare per detyren e kryer me "besnikeri" nga une, se mbase kujtohen e me paguajne ndonje klase per semestrin tjeter...Do te me beje shume nder me kete rast. Do ishte interesante > me i pa lidhjet e interesave te tua me komunistet diletante qe jane ne > pushtet sot ne Shqiperi. Me falni serisht e nderuar, por diskutimi juaj ka nevoje per pergjigje, jo sepse e meriton por sepse ju nuk duheni lejuar te beni hartime ketu. Se pari, s'ju pengon kush te zbuloni gjera qe ju duken interesante. Nese s'jeni dot e zonja t'i zbuloni ato qe ju duken gjera interesante ose kerkojuni ndihme miqve tuaj ose pastaj nuk ju mbetet vec te heshtni. Se dyti, nese flasim per komunistet shqiptare, ata vec diletante s'mund te jene, apo jo?! Mirpo per diletante politike kjo gafe e juaja s'do te vleresohej vec si nje lapsus. Dhe se treti, mos duhet ta marr pyetjen tuaj si nje kercenim?! Por kundrejt cfare te drejtash?! Jo, s'me duket fare interesante ta di, por nese ke deshire ta thuash, mundesh lehtesisht ta besh kete. > GET A LIFE!! Kete keshille e ke nga nje shqiptare Shqiperie meqenese kur > t'i kane bere ata te Kosoves e Maqedonise i ke quajtur se "nuk marrin > vesh" nga punet ne Shqiperi. Tani i erdhi rradha nje bisede tjeter: Me shqiptaret e mij une merrem vesh vec ne shqip, e nderuar. Ato qe une bisedoj me miqte e mij te Kosoves a Maqedonise, s'kane nevoje per avokate mbrojtes te paftuar qe me se shumti se te bisedojne, duan te provokojne. Me vjen vertet keq, por nuk jam teper e ngeshme per biseda te tilla qe s'me duket se kane ndonje vlere. Dhe se fundi, mos u tregoni kaq e lire sa te leshoni keshilla falas poshte e perpjete, sidomos ndaj atyre qe nuk ua kane kerkuar > > Erkanda Bujari > Te fala, Etleva Bozdo -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From eb246 at columbia.edu Tue May 29 00:11:29 2001 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] "Gazeta Shqiptare"// E.Bujari In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Etleva, This is the last time I will respond to you through this list. Take these kinds of cynical counter responses off line. This listserve has been very serious so far. Don't take people's time and mail space with your trash. The list is for use for those who are really concerned with the Albanian issues. You haven't been one of those so far. Take care. On Mon, 28 May 2001 Ebozdo at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/28/01 12:20:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > eb246 at columbia.edu writes: > > > > Etleva, > > > > Ty qeveria shqiptare mbase nuk ta ka ngarkuar detyren qe ta mbrosh por > > ti kete e ke bere me besnikeri te madhe deri tani. > > ...Dhe per dijeni te te gjithe atyre qe duan ta dijne, une do te vazhdoj te > bej ate qe me imponon arsyeja ime dhe jo arsyeja e tjeterkujt. Te lutem, nqs > mundesh, njoftoje qeverine shqiptare per detyren e kryer me "besnikeri" nga > une, se mbase kujtohen e me paguajne ndonje klase per semestrin tjeter...Do > te me beje shume nder me kete rast. > > Do ishte interesante > > > me i pa lidhjet e interesave te tua me komunistet diletante qe jane ne > > pushtet sot ne Shqiperi. > > Me falni serisht e nderuar, por diskutimi juaj ka nevoje per pergjigje, jo > sepse e meriton por sepse ju nuk duheni lejuar te beni hartime ketu. > Se pari, s'ju pengon kush te zbuloni gjera qe ju duken interesante. Nese > s'jeni dot e zonja t'i zbuloni ato qe ju duken gjera interesante ose > kerkojuni ndihme miqve tuaj ose pastaj nuk ju mbetet vec te heshtni. > > Se dyti, nese flasim per komunistet shqiptare, ata vec diletante s'mund te > jene, apo jo?! Mirpo per diletante politike kjo gafe e juaja s'do te > vleresohej vec si nje lapsus. > > Dhe se treti, mos duhet ta marr pyetjen tuaj si nje kercenim?! Por kundrejt > cfare te drejtash?! Jo, s'me duket fare interesante ta di, por nese ke > deshire ta thuash, mundesh lehtesisht ta besh kete. > > > GET A LIFE!! Kete keshille e ke nga nje shqiptare Shqiperie meqenese kur > > t'i kane bere ata te Kosoves e Maqedonise i ke quajtur se "nuk marrin > > vesh" nga punet ne Shqiperi. > > Tani i erdhi rradha nje bisede tjeter: Me shqiptaret e mij une merrem vesh > vec ne shqip, e nderuar. Ato qe une bisedoj me miqte e mij te Kosoves a > Maqedonise, s'kane nevoje per avokate mbrojtes te paftuar qe me se shumti se > te bisedojne, duan te provokojne. > Me vjen vertet keq, por nuk jam teper e ngeshme per biseda te tilla qe s'me > duket se kane ndonje vlere. > Dhe se fundi, mos u tregoni kaq e lire sa te leshoni keshilla falas poshte e > perpjete, sidomos ndaj atyre qe nuk ua kane kerkuar > > > > Erkanda Bujari > > > > Te fala, > Etleva Bozdo > ****************************************************************** From Ebozdo at aol.com Tue May 29 00:52:10 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:52:10 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] "Gazeta Shqiptare"// E.Bujari Message-ID: <34.15b8f134.284484fa@aol.com> In a message dated 5/28/01 9:14:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, eb246 at columbia.edu writes: > Etleva, > > This is the last time I will respond to you through this list. Take these > kinds of cynical counter responses off line. This listserve has been very > serious so far. Don't take people's time and mail space with your trash. > The list is for use for those who are really concerned with the Albanian > issues. You haven't been one of those so far. > > Take care. > > Se pari, do te uroja ta kishe mesuar shqipen po kaq mire sa edhe anglishten. E dyta, ndersa ne po diskutonim per problemin shqiptar ne Maqedoni, ju dolet vullnetare te merreni me problemin "Etleva", qe nuk egziston, por e shpiket juve. E treta, nese une di t'i dal zot nje qeverie mos e ver ne dyshim se Etleves i dal dhe i dal per zot. E katerta, ne gjuhen shqipe (qe ti cuditerisht e paske harruar!!!) ka nje shprehje qe thote:"Po hodhe, do te presesh!", prandaj s'ke pse luan te fyeren ne nje loje qe u duk se te pelqente kaq shume. E fundit, vendimi per te mos e zgjatur me kete bisede aspak interesante eshte e vetmja gje e mencur qe lexova ne dy postat e tua elektronike. Shendet, Etleva -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From earolda at hotmail.com Tue May 29 15:22:04 2001 From: earolda at hotmail.com (Arolda Elbasani) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 15:22:04 Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [NYC-L] Message-ID: Etleva, You have really exagerated it. First, as an Albanian from Albania I am deeply frustrated from the way you comment on the Albanian government. You do not need to be an academic (that you obviously are not)to understand the degree of their failure. There are no more young people in Albania! The ones that are there have the only hope: to leave one day. Who leaves has to face the hard reality of being an emigrant with documents or not. The intelectuals have to endure the reality of being nothing.Let us not speak for "our" corrupted degenerated and primitive politicians, whose first job is getting fat once they take a seat in parliament.and you know how much I could extend the list with material facts. This much for their tragic failure in "governing" their constituents. (It may be different for a minor group "the elite", that in our case are the economic social and political spoilers) Second, The foreign policy of the Albanian Government does not leave any space to doubt about its direction. They are explicit about supporting the international community independent from how much it matches the aspirations of Albanians in Kosovo or Machedonia. Kosovars have died and sacrificed themselves for liberty, which is still inprisoned in the rhetoric of a fake self-administration. Albanians in macedonia are mistreated, deprived of their rights even killed and obliged to leave their homes while the most our Ministry of Foreign Affairs can do is to declare that "it is not right a government kills its people" Third, I strongly advise you to improve your communication skills to reach at least the minimum level of ethics necessary to participate in public discussions. Moreover, if you feel interested in foreign policy issues, you need to learn that it is not about simply supporting those who smoothed your path to America. It is about giving arguments and pragmatic facts, which unfortunately totally oppose your ideas. Therefore, please think twice before writting again, at least because as I tried to prove you are wrong. >From: Ebozdo at aol.com >Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [NYC-L] "Gazeta Shqiptare"// E.Bujari >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 00:52:10 EDT > >In a message dated 5/28/01 9:14:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >eb246 at columbia.edu writes: > > > > Etleva, > > > > This is the last time I will respond to you through this list. Take >these > > kinds of cynical counter responses off line. This listserve has been >very > > serious so far. Don't take people's time and mail space with your trash. > > The list is for use for those who are really concerned with the Albanian > > issues. You haven't been one of those so far. > > > > Take care. > > > > > >Se pari, do te uroja ta kishe mesuar shqipen po kaq mire sa edhe >anglishten. > >E dyta, ndersa ne po diskutonim per problemin shqiptar ne Maqedoni, ju >dolet >vullnetare te merreni me problemin "Etleva", qe nuk egziston, por e shpiket >juve. > >E treta, nese une di t'i dal zot nje qeverie mos e ver ne dyshim se Etleves >i >dal dhe i dal per zot. > >E katerta, ne gjuhen shqipe (qe ti cuditerisht e paske harruar!!!) ka nje >shprehje qe thote:"Po hodhe, do te presesh!", prandaj s'ke pse luan te >fyeren >ne nje loje qe u duk se te pelqente kaq shume. > >E fundit, vendimi per te mos e zgjatur me kete bisede aspak interesante >eshte >e vetmja gje e mencur qe lexova ne dy postat e tua elektronike. > >Shendet, >Etleva _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From atc623 at juno.com Tue May 29 11:41:24 2001 From: atc623 at juno.com (atc623 at juno.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:41:24 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [NYC-L] Message-ID: <20010529.114125.-3356233.0.atc623@juno.com> Nice to here from someone from Albania.... Please e-mail me if you have time... atc623 at juno.com Thank you, KennyG.De ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Ebozdo at aol.com Tue May 29 11:50:40 2001 From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:40 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Bujarit, Elbasanit e Co Message-ID: Nje poezi e Agollit se c'me kujtuat sot per dreq, moj te dashura... O moj vajza lule, qe mblidhni fasule. Mblidhni, mblidhni, mblidhni mbildhni, por mos vidhni! Jam vajza lule, qe mbledhim fasule. Mbledhim, mbledhim, mbledhim, ka edhe qe s'vjedhin... Na shkruani sa here jeni te ngeshme. Eshte nje diskutim vertet shume interesant. Por edhe i domosdoshem, pasi gjyshja qe me jepte keshilla, ka kohe qe me ka vdekur, ndjese paste! Gjithe te mirat, nga Etleva Bozdo -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From earolda at hotmail.com Tue May 29 16:08:17 2001 From: earolda at hotmail.com (Arolda Elbasani) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 16:08:17 Subject: [NYC-L] Bujarit, Elbasanit e Co Message-ID: Etleva, Be sure that your grandmather would not be proud of you, I am simply offended and I regret to have responded to you. >From: Ebozdo at aol.com >Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Subject: [NYC-L] Bujarit, Elbasanit e Co >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 11:50:40 EDT > >Nje poezi e Agollit se c'me kujtuat sot per dreq, moj te dashura... > >O moj vajza lule, >qe mblidhni fasule. > >Mblidhni, mblidhni, mblidhni >mbildhni, por mos vidhni! > > >Jam vajza lule, >qe mbledhim fasule. > >Mbledhim, mbledhim, mbledhim, >ka edhe qe s'vjedhin... > >Na shkruani sa here jeni te ngeshme. Eshte nje diskutim vertet shume >interesant. Por edhe i domosdoshem, pasi gjyshja qe me jepte keshilla, ka >kohe qe me ka vdekur, ndjese paste! > >Gjithe te mirat, >nga Etleva Bozdo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Tue May 29 17:40:18 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 17:40:18 Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [ALBANIAN] Amnistia Message-ID: I nderuari Asti, Bashkesia nderkombetare, qe do ta barazoja me BE-n dhe SHBA-n, po kryesisht me BE-n, po sillen si femiu i lazdruar, duke ngulur kembe, se nuk do te folin me UCK-n, po edhe nuk po shpejtojne zgjidhjene problemeve. Nga ketu rrjedh edhe kokefortesia e tyre, nje tipar jo i atyre qe merren me politike qe te mos bisedojne ose me mire me thene qe ta kundershtojne frontalisht ne planin politik UCK-n. Jane kokeforte se nuk done te pranojne gabimet rreth moszgjidhjes se problemeve te shqipetareve ne dhjetvjetshin e fundit dhe kan reklamuar Maqedonin ne nje far menyre si sukses te vetin, ndersa tash kjo foto e idealizuar e "Maqedonis Demokratike" eshte shkatrruar dhe marifetlleqet/gabimet e tyre kan dal ne shesh. Kokefortesia e tyre shihet edhe ne nenshkrimin e marrveshjes per Stabilizim dhe Asocim e BE-n, perkunder luftimeve ne Maqedoni. Ne kete menyre siur donin te thonin se UCK-ja nuk eshte azgje, dhe lufta ne Maqedoni nuk ka far peshe ne planet e BE-se!!! Cfar kryeneqsie!!! Thjeshte nuk done te pranojne se kan gabuar. Fatkeqesisht Qeveria e Bushit vetem bene "sehir" per momentin (siq thot edhe Clark).Jam i bindur se privatisht shume politikan e shohin marrveshjen mes UCK-se dhe PDSH e PPD si rruge e mire per zgjidhjn e problemit por puna qendron se BE-ja nuk don t'i ndrroj fjalet dmth kokefortesia e tyre dhe ndoshta premtimi qe i kan dhene Qeverise Shoviniste te Maqedonise. Ata nuk eshohin se Trajkovski me vete faktin se emri i perfundon me "ovski" dhe emrate ngjashem nuk mund te luajne rolin e ndermjetsit siq u permend sot ne shtyp te ket thene Sollana. Derisa kombinime te ndrysheme provohen shqipetaret heqin te zite e ullirit, normalisht se Sollanes dhe Sollanave te tjere nuk iu behet vone, sepse ata i kan familjet te sigurta dhe jane shtetas te vendeve te tyre pra i kan te drejtat te cilat shqipetaret i kerkojne. Nje gje tjeter lidhur me politiken e BE-se eshte se eshte joefikase edhe per faktin se shume "valltare" marrin pjese ne marrjen e vendimeve/qendrimeve dhe kjo shkakton zvarritje. Perndryshe nese UCK-ja vazhdon te qendroj, dhe ashtu duket se do te ndodh, vete Sollana do te beje kthes per 180 shkall, sepse me veprimet e tyre BE-ja eshe bashkfajtore per vazhdimin e krizes ne Maqedoni. Sipas shtypit/Kosova.com e dates 28 maj 2001/ edhe Ambasadori i NATO-s ne Dhkup Hans Jorg Ajk eshte takuar me Ali Ahmetin, perfaqesues politik i UCK-se. Pershendetje Imri >From: Asti Pilika >Reply-To: Asti Pilika >To: ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU >Subject: [ALBANIAN] Amnistia >Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 08:27:32 -0700 > >__________________________Albanian Discussion List________________________ > Archives: http://listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/albanian.html >__________________________________________________________________________ > > >>>>> Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<< > http://www.alb-net.com/amcc >__________________________________________________________________________ > >Jam kureshtar te di se pse bashkesia nderkombetare >qenka kaq kunder amnistise per luftetaret shqiptare ne >Maqedoni. > >Duket sikur atyre do t'u interesonte kjo gje. > >C'mendoni ju? > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! 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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com Wed May 30 03:13:32 2001 From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:13:32 Subject: [NYC-L] dubble standards in Presheva velly and Macedonia Message-ID: Hi, An interesting article from The Guardian, comparing the situation in Presheva velly and in Macedonia and the dubble standards used... Regards Imer (taken through Albanian-UK - Besim Gerguri) ____________________________ http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4193966,00.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From XHUNGA at unhcr.ch Wed May 30 03:05:22 2001 From: XHUNGA at unhcr.ch (Mariola Xhunga) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:05:22 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] Guardian's Article on Presevo and Macedonia Message-ID: An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: not available Url: http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/nyc-l/attachments/20010530/c6302410/attachment.pl From atc623 at juno.com Wed May 30 14:14:24 2001 From: atc623 at juno.com (atc623 at juno.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 14:14:24 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] Adoption ! Message-ID: <20010530.141426.-37420537.0.atc623@juno.com> Is there any children who need help there ? Could live in our home... Thanks, KGD atc623 at juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From arenc at att.net Wed May 30 12:54:36 2001 From: arenc at att.net (Arenc Leka) Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 09:54:36 -0700 Subject: [NYC-L] NYC Concert June 8th Message-ID: NYC CONCERT June 8th Information www.arencpro.com >From the newspaper Z?ri, Prishtina, Kosova: Interview with Eda Zari A Modern Sound and a New Rhythm. The portrait of this artiste would not be complete without her personal views... Z?ri: What do you think about Albanian music? Zari: Albanian music is rich, in particular with regard to the diverse treasures of polyphony and folklore in our culture. I think that Albanian composers and artistes can still find enough new elements in this treasure. Z?ri: What can you tell us about Albanian polyphony and folk music and how it is cultivated? Zari: Music has always been part of Albanian society in every aspect. The treasures of our music have been handed down from one generation to another, for instance the songs with an iso, or in the ancient dances of the north, but in the south, too, with all their wealth of expression. There is a lot of poetry in the polyphonic songs. They also have some of the richest rhythms in Europe, maybe even in the world. This musical treasure house, after all, is four hundred years old. Z?ri: What are the musical foundations of the new album you are working on, which is going to be presented to the Albanian public at home and abroad very soon? Zari: They are melodies and motifs which were handed down for generations through the family of my mother. It's music from the soul and has given me great inspiration. A new and daring approach. Most new composers on the Albanian music 'scene' have left traditional values behind them in their production, but this Albanian woman has returned to the roots and sounds of old Albanian music. This is music which will be appreciated, especially at a time when the sources of Albanian art have fallen into decay. >From Gazeta Shqiptare, Tirana, 25.02.2001 (Ben Andoni): President Mejdani turns stars into "ambassadors of the nation" abroad. (From the show "We love Albania all the more" ) On 24 February 2001, right after the national show "We love Albania all the more," Eda Zari was honoured by President Mejdani with the title 'Ambassador of the Nation,' as were other noted Albanian artistes and figures (such as the great writer Ismail Kadare, the talented violinist Tedi Papavrami, and the soprano Inva Mula). The audience at the Palace of Congresses yesterday was witness to the ceremony in honour of respected representatives of Albanian culture. ... Eda Zari was extraordinary with her song "You don't know what love is," Ismail Kadare gave a marvellous interview which expressed the feelings of the audience.The performance of Eda Zari showed that Albania, at least in the field of culture, has long been making an important contribution to world culture. >From the newspaper Koha Jon?, Tirana, 30.01.2001 (Enton Albilekaj): The German singer with an Albanian voice (extract) She left Tirana profoundly disappointed. Now they want her back. (Interview with the newspaper Koha jon?.) Shaken by communism which had done so much damage, this former graduate moved to D?sseldorf in Germany where she has been living for the last eleven years and has embarked upon a successful career (Interview with the newspaper Koha jon?) ... her voice is miraculous, this young lady is going to have a future to envy... www.arencpro.com 212-675-9466 Recoding Studio & Designe. Concerts & Artistic Activities. -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed