From vbelegu at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  5 10:51:01 2001
From: vbelegu at hotmail.com (Visar Belegu)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:51:01 -0600
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Urime te siqenerta te gjitheve per festen e Kurban-Bajramit dhe Zoti na 
ndihmofte e na prifte e mbara.


Visar Belegu
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From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Mar  5 12:12:08 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 12:12:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Gezuar e per shume vjet Bajrami!
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Me rastin e Kurban Bajramit, te gjithe vellezerve dhe motrave muslimane
i uroj festen, Gezuar e per shume vjet Bajrami!

w'selam,
Mentori



From mentor at alb-net.com  Tue Mar  6 13:20:05 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 13:20:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103061313310.26006-100000@alb-net.com>

Interestingly enough, the article does not show Ilir Meta directing any
questions towards the Serb and Macedonian governments with a request that
these governments change and improve their ways dealing with Albanians.

It wold have been beneficial and helpful to the Albanian peaceful struggle
in Serbia and Macedonia if I. Meta at least acknowledged the repression of
Serbia and Macedonia on its Albanian population.

Is the Albanian government helping the Albanians outside its borders at
all?!

later,
Mentor

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Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants

PARIS, March 6 (Reuters) - Albanian Prime Minister Ilir Meta was quoted on
Tuesday as describing alleged action by ethnic Albanian guerrillas in
southern Serbia and Macedonia as totally unacceptable and detrimental to
regional stability.

"I hope the Albanians (of southern Serbia and Macedonia) will choose dialogue
because otherwise they will become isolated and lose everyone's support,"
Meta, currently on a visit to France, told the daily newspaper Le Figaro.

Gunmen widely believed to be ethnic Albanians have exchanged fire with
Macedonian security forces around a border village in recent days and three
Macedonian soldiers were killed on Sunday.

The guerrillas appeared to have ties with the neighbouring Serbian province
of Kosovo, where some 90 percent of the population is ethnic Albanian.

There has also been violence in an area of nearby southern Serbia which also
has a large ethnic Albanian population.

Asked what his position was towards militants who sought to impose a "greater
Albania" in the region, Meta replied: "We are not in favour of any border
changes and we are absolutely against a resumption of violence.

"The Albanians (of Serbia) must negotiate with Belgrade. As for Macedonia,
the maintaining of its territorial integrity and sovereignty are as essential
for us as they are for regional stability," he said.

The Albanian prime minister added that the ethnic Albanian minority in
Macedonia had seen its rights improve and there was "no reason to pursue the
conflict."

Meta said his country wanted good relations with the new Serbian authorities.
He also said that he had asked ethnic Albanians in Kosovo to show more
tolerance towards those Serbs who had remained in the province.
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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Tue Mar  6 15:13:23 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:13:23 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
Message-ID: <3c.85b6da9.27d69ee3@aol.com>

Me siguri zoti Canaj, me siguri. C'kuptim ka kjo pyetje?
Patjeter qe kryeministri shqiptar qofte edhe ne menyre formale eshte interesuar direkt per fatin e shqiptareve qe jetojne jashte Shqiperise, pse duhet te keni dyshime per kete?! Thjesht nga nje artikull?!
E para, a mund te thuhen te gjitha ne nje artikull?
E dyta, vizita e nje kryeministri eshte e percaktuar deri ne detaje. Bile edhe pyetjet jane te percaktuara, ndonjehere edhe pergjigjet. Pastaj jane edhe ca biseda te tjera qe nuk i marim vesh kurre ne, qe quhemi publik.
(Keto i kam nga nje klase, ku jam per momentin dhe qe quhet "Politika dhe shoqeria"
Me falni t'ju kujtoj se ne vende te tilla s'ka perngjasim me Alb-Clubin ku ne, me dilentatizmin tone themi cfare na do qefi dhe sic na i do qefi duke mare role nga me te ndryshmet.
Ne rastin konkret, duhej thene ajo shprehja e famshme per mua:" Kepucar, rri tek kepucet!"
E fundit, qe s'ka lidhje me te parat, cfare kuptimi ka pyetja juaj e fundit me nje pikecuditese dhe me nje pikepyetje, sepse ndersa teksti eshte ne anglisht, shenjat e pikesimit jane ne shqip. (Per retoriken, anglishtja shume ralle ( ne mos kurre) perdor pikepyetjen dhe pikecuditesen bashke.)
Dhe pyetja ime eshte: Perse kryeministri i nje vendi te mos jete i interesuar per shtetasit e vet dhe per pjesen tjeter te kombit qe s'eshte brenda kufijve te vet? Kryeministri i kujt do te jete ky njeri pa shtetasit e vet? Si do ta rrite ky njeri reputacionin e vet perpara shtetasve, kombit dhe te hujave nqs ai te pakten s'ben sikur interesohet per njerzit e vet?! Zoti Canaj, une jam e sigurt se ai qe "di" te behet kryeminister di t'i beje edhe keto gjera, qofte edhe me "sikur"...
Uroj te jem e gabuar, por pse ndonjehere ju tregoheni kaq skeptik? Dhe sidomos pa na dale mire "paqja dhe dashuria" e festes se Bajramit.. :)
Etleva


From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  7 00:26:24 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 00:26:24 
Subject: [NYC-L] Z. Ilir Meta ndihmon/nuk ndihmon shqiptaret....
Message-ID: <F216R7BED0kpB9pbKWZ00001ccf@hotmail.com>

Se pari Urime Festa e Bajramit
(edhepse une nuk jam aqe besimtare i "forte" por i respektoj besimet tona 
dhe besimtaret pa dallim)

Ndersa sa i perket reagimit ndaj letres se Mentorit munde te them se nuk
habitem fare.
Do te habitesha nese Zonjusha/Zonja Erleta do te kishte reaguar ne vende te 
Mentorit, dmth. do te kishte qene befasi e mire.

Por ja qe nuk eshte keshtu.

Sa i perket menyres se si behet politika (sinqerisht cdo respekt atyre qe 
mesojne)besoj se politka nuk behet vetem ne prapasene apo neper biseda 
sekrete, por POLITKA BEHET EDHE ME DEKLARATA PUBLIKE, ku folesi llogarite ne 
nje efekt apo ne nje tjeter kur bene deklaraten etj. etj.

Ceshtja qe ka prekur Mentori per mua eshte shume rendesishme por e thjeshte 
te spjegohet.
Problemi qendron tek pozita qe secili prej nesh don te merr dhe t'i jap  
prioritet pa marr parasysh a eshte njeri i thjeshte apo eshte aq i zoti sa 
ka arritur te behet kryeminister apo kryetar, apo dicka tjeter.

Mos te harrojme se fakti se dikush eshte bere dica nuk e imunizon ate nga 
gabimet. Gjera qe dihen por po i perserise prap...

Historia boterore eshte e mbushur me kryetar te deshtuar ne shume vende.

Thjeshte fakti se je Kryeminister nuk do te thote se je i pagabuar.

Sa i perket kerkimit te zgjidhjes paqesore ketu nuk ka asgje te keqe.
Por e keqja eshte se zgjidhje paqesore munde te jete edhe ajo ku te drejtat 
e shqipetareve neperkemben dhe mbesin te pazgjidhura.

Pra Z.Mentor Cana ka te drejte kur deklaron se eshte per zgjidhje paqesore 
por e cila do te mirrej me zgjidhjen e problemeve te grumbulluara gjate 
dekadave te represionit si ne Luginen e Presheves ashtu edhe ne Maqedoni.

Nga ana tjeter edhe te huajte e pranojne se thelbi/pikenisja e problemit e 
me kete edhe pjese e zgjidhjes eshte neperkembja e shqipetareve dhe 
ngushtimi i te drejtave te ture me dekada nga dy regjimet sllave. Pra Z. 
Ilir Meta se paku ka munde te permende kete represion si pjese te problemit.

Si mund te arsyetohen tentimet pa resultat te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni qe te 
kene se paku nje Univesitet shteterore ne gjuhen shqipe kur maqedonet kan 
PESE UNIVERSITETE SHTETRORE NE MAQEDONISHT. Kuptohet se pese Universitetet 
maqedonase finansohen edhe nga taksat qe shqiptaret i paguajne apo e kam 
gabim.

Me tutje me duket plotesishte e pavende thenja juaj lidhur me kepucetarin.  
Mos vall doni te na mohoni te drejten te flasim? (besoj se e perdora me 
vende-? )

Dhe ne fund me lejoni qe edhe une te perdore nje thenje:
Nastradini kur eshte rrezuar nga dardha ka thene: le te vine per vizite 
vetem ata qe jane rrezuar nga dardha ....(sigurisht ka llogarite se ata i 
besojne me teper)

Pershendese te gjithe

Imeri






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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Tue Mar  6 20:27:51 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 20:27:51 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Z. Ilir Meta ndihmon/nuk ndihmon shqiptaret....
Message-ID: <9.11e14860.27d6e897@aol.com>

Per Imer Prishtinen.
Pas nderhyrjes suaj, problemi m'u be krejt i qarte.
Ne kuadrin e humorit dhe te miqesise desha te te them se emri im eshte 
Etleva. Natyrisht, qe ju mund ta ndryshoni si te deshironi, por pasatj do te 
kishim ne fakt nje emer te ri, qe s'do te kishe lidhje (ne rastin konkret) me 
emrin tim.
Si do te ishte sikur emri Imer te behej Imar dhe pastaj nga emri imar te 
kalonim ne nje emer tjeter e pastaj tjeter?!
Zoti Cana eshte mire qe here tjeter te gjeje avokate me te kualifikuar do te 
thosha.
Po sidoqofte edhe njehere gezuar festen e kurban Bajramit per te gjithe po/jo 
besimtaret! Allahu na dhente shendet dhe kismet !

W/selam
ETLEVA
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From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:00:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <3c.85b6da9.27d69ee3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103061530250.26006-100000@alb-net.com>

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, at 15:13, Ebozdo at aol.com wrote:
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> Me siguri zoti Canaj, me siguri. C'kuptim ka kjo pyetje?
> Patjeter qe kryeministri shqiptar qofte edhe ne menyre formale eshte
> interesuar direkt per fatin e shqiptareve qe jetojne jashte Shqiperise,
> pse duhet te keni dyshime per kete?! Thjesht nga nje artikull?!

Tungjatjeta,

Jo, asesi nga nje artikull. Mesazhi im dhe pyetjet ne te kane te bejne me
faktin se ne keto dite kur pjesa dermuese e lajmeve dhe informatave nga
agjencione jo-shqiptare flasin kunder gerilave Shqiptare ne Maqedoni,
Kryeministri Shqipetar u bashkangjitet mendimeve te njejta. E verteta eshte
se nje deklarate e ketille e Kryeministrit nuk do te thote se ai nuk
mendon per te mirren e Shqiptareve jashte kufinjve te Shqiperise. Por, ne
kete moment kur te gjithe gazetaret mezi presin te degjojne ndonje
deklarate nga qeveria Shqiptare, Kryeministri nuk thote asnje fjale per
shkakun e mundur qe i ka detyryar Shqiptaret e Maqedonise dhe Serbise
jugore te luftojne.

Ose, e marrim shembull takimin e Fatos Nanos (kryeminister ne ate kohe) me
Milloseviqin ne Krete.

> E para, a mund te thuhen te gjitha ne nje artikull?

Jo, nuk mund te thuhen. Por, mund te thuhet aq sa qe bota ta dije se
Shqiperia si shteti ame i Shqipetareve e kupton situaten ndryshe, e shikon
ndryshe dhe rreagon ndryshe nga te tjeret.

> E dyta, vizita e nje kryeministri eshte e percaktuar deri ne detaje.
> Bile edhe pyetjet jane te percaktuara, ndonjehere edhe pergjigjet. Pastaj
> jane edhe ca biseda te tjera qe nuk i marim vesh kurre ne, qe quhemi
> publik.

E, kjo do te thote qe ka ndonje problem ne diplomacine Shqiptare e cila
duhet t'i perkrahe Shqiptaret kudo qe jane dhe te perdore cdo moment per
kete qellim. Nuk besoj se Qeveria Shqiptare duhet ta kete veshtire te flase
kunder agresionit Serb/Maqedon drejtuar Shqiptareve, kudo qe te jete.

> Me falni t'ju kujtoj se ne vende te tilla s'ka perngjasim me Alb-Clubin
> ku ne, me dilentatizmin tone themi cfare na do qefi dhe sic na i do qefi
> duke mare role nga me te ndryshmet.

Nuk e kuptova se ?'lidhje ka kjo me ate qe thash une?

> Ne rastin konkret, duhej thene ajo shprehja e famshme per mua:" Kepucar,
> rri tek kepucet!"

E pra e vertete... Pra, Kryeministri Shqipetar duhet ta perdori poziten e
tij per t'i perkrahur Shqipetaret dhe te mos flase si te tjeret kunder
Shqiptareve ne Maqedoni/Serbi.

> Dhe pyetja ime eshte: Perse kryeministri i nje vendi te mos jete i
> interesuar per shtetasit e vet dhe per pjesen tjeter te kombit qe s'eshte
> brenda kufijve te vet? Kryeministri i kujt do te jete ky njeri pa
> shtetasit e vet? Si do ta rrite ky njeri reputacionin e vet perpara
> . shtetasve, kombit dhe te hujave nqs ai te pakten s'ben sikur
> interesohet
> per njerzit e vet?!

Do besoja kjo qe thoni juve te ishte e vertete, por, keto vite nen
qeversijen socialiste na thuan dicka tjeter.

> Zoti Canaj, une jam e sigurt se ai qe "di" te behet
> kryeminister di t'i beje edhe keto gjera, qofte edhe me "sikur"...

Di t'i beje, por si i ben?!

te fala,
Mentori



From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  7 02:05:41 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2001 02:05:41 
Subject: [NYC-L] Z. I.Meta etj.
Message-ID: <F217DxchdpqpEq8hZYN00001e5c@hotmail.com>

Per Zonjen/Zonjushen Etleva dhe te tjere...

Se pari kerkoj falje qe kam gabuar gjate shkrimit te emrit tuaj. Te jeme me 
i sakte nuk e kam degjuar shpesh. Kuptohet kjo nuk eshte arsye qe mos ta 
shkruaj emrin tuaj si duhet. Por ka qene vetem gabim i paqellimte.

Pra gjate pergjigjes suaj ka qene mire ta keni parasysh mundesine se kam 
gabuar pa qellim.

U habita se nuk kundershtuat asgje nga ajo qe kam shkruar.

Z. Mentor Cana nuk me ka kerkuar te jeme avokate i tij, sepse edhepse kurr 
nuk e kam pare (e njohe vetem permes shkrimeve) jam i sigurte se ai nuk ka 
nevoje per avokate.

Tjeter gje eshte fakti se mendimet e tija dhe te miat perputheshin ne ato 
pika qe u permenden.

E sa per kualifikimet per avokat me vjen keq qe do t'ju zhgenjej une i kam 
te gjitha kualifikimet.

Po ketu besoj se jemi duke biseduar si shqipetare dhe te barabart pa marr 
parasysh shkallen e arsimimit apo kualifikimet.

Edhe njehere ju kerkoj falje per gabimin gjate shkrimit te emrit tuaj, gje 
qe e verejta vetem pas pergjigjes suaj.

Perndryshe mbetem pran tere asaj qe shpreha me pare.

Ju falemnderit

Imeri

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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Tue Mar  6 22:40:54 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:40:54 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
Message-ID: <4a.1262c24f.27d707c6@aol.com>

Zoti Cana dhe zoti Prishtina!
Une ju falenderoj per vemendjen ndaj meje dhe ndaj shkrimit tim.( Nuk ka 
rendesi sa e njohur jam une per ju ose juve per mua)
Mua me vjen mire qe ne fund te fundit ne, pavarsisht nga menyrat e ndryshme 
se si mund t'i kuptojme gjerat, diskutojme te pakten shqiptarisht dhe per 
shqiptaret.
Do te me kishte pelqyer dhe do te me ishte dukur tejet serioze te diskutonim 
per kryeministrin shqiptar dhe viziten e tij pasi ajo te kishte perfunduar.
Perndryshe mua skepticizmi me duket jo vetem i nxituar por edhe i demshem, 
kur kthehet ne nje mendesi.
Pershendetje
Etleva

Ps: Sa per vlerat e nje avokati, ato nuk maten me kulifikimet e tij, por me 
suksesin  e arritur. Sidoqofte, suksese te metejshme zoti Prishtina!

E.


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From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 22:55:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops Help Defend Macedonia
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103062246480.25713-100000@alb-net.com>

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010306/wl/macedonia_leadall_dc_15.html

Just few months back the news of letting Yugoslav troops assist in
defending Macedonia 'against Albanian militia' would have seems as distant
as believing that the Serb Army would be stationed all over Kosova again,
after all the massacre they committed on the Albanian population.

Well, the very fact that such move has been considered by NATO, makes one
think where will it stop? The buffer zone? Inside Macedonian border so that
the Serb Army can fight alongside Macedonian Army against Albanians?

Just few thoughts....

later,
Mentor






From dardan at alb-net.com  Thu Mar  8 09:05:36 2001
From: dardan at alb-net.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:05:36 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops Help Defend Macedonia
In-Reply-To: <F673oHMwVN7miR9Odut0000e9f0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBKEBEILKGGHCKINJHAELBCBAA.dardan@alb-net.com>

Is there any way we can get first hand information from the region? Did
anybody interview the civilians that fled the area? Does anyone know
anything about who these uniformed men are? Are we only being based on the
reports that come from serb/fyrom/non-albanian sources? Let's not make any
assumptions.

1. The NATO observers said that they were not aware of any groups crossing
from Kosova.
2. One Macedonian official declared on BBC that "local albanians in
Macedonia behave and they do not engage in terrorist activities"

Who are these people? What do they want? If they are Albanians, have
representatives and state their demands and I am sure that they will receive
support from Albanians wherever they are. In my opinion, they caused damage
to the overall image of Albanians in the Balkans, but I am sure that there
are many ways in which this image can be transformed into a more positive
one... It is true, the world is starting to see that over 50% of Albanians
live outside of Albania, but that does not have to mean that Albanians are
the troublemakers in the Balkans, they are the victims.

I personally am interested to know what is going on. This whole situation,
this whole puzzle is missing a lot of pieces.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: nyc-l-admin at alb-net.com [mailto:nyc-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of
bekim isufi
  Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:46 AM
  To: mentor at alb-net.com; alb-club at alb-net.com;
albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu; nyc-l at alb-net.com;
prishtina-e at alb-net.com; prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com
  Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops Help
Defend Macedonia


  === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
  I would like to point out that personally I think that considering the
overall situation in the region, especially the fight in the border with
Macedonia, it could not have been any more ani-Albanian.  Those who started
the fight (I am deeply conviced) are either organized by Serbia (and their
friends) or are complete idiots.  Yet, even more I blame our leaders.
Besides the rhethoric about Kosova's indipendence - which each and everyone
of them must support if he/she is to have any political future in Kosova),
they have all done next to nothing about what they should really be doing.

  These (just as have been the last three years), are very very sad days for
the Albanians in general.  I am still shocked about how can we be so
politically diorganized, senseless, and vitrually no vision about the
future.  The help we got it was vitrtually entirely circumstantial, and we
still fail to think that NATO bombing of Serbia was absolutely, absolutely a
miracle.  For the first time for the past over two thousand years it
happened that we had somebody in our side.  Especially since that moment,
every single second was very, very precious.  We failed to use the momentum.
We failed to set clear goals, and deligently work toward realization of such
goals.  Futhermore, we had to convince to the world that an independent
Kosovo was going to be a good thing for the region.  Instead we let some
loosers and gangsters, that are or ought to be our disgrace take the
steering wheel - towards a national suicide.

  Nobody in the Balkans wants more peace than the Albanians, but we have to
show the world.  We have  to convince the world that we want a better life
for ourselves and even for our neighbours.

  What has been happening is a complete madness.  And it should really stop.
If it doesn't, we are going to be paying a very heavy price.  We have to do
something while there may still be some time life.

  Greetings to all,

  Bekim.



  >Just few months back the news of letting Yugoslav troops assist in
  >defending Macedonia 'against Albanian militia' would have seems as
distant
  >as believing that the Serb Army would be stationed all over Kosova again,
  >after all the massacre they committed on the Albanian population.
  >
  >Well, the very fact that such move has been considered by NATO, makes one
  >think where will it stop? The buffer zone? Inside Macedonian border so
that
  >the Serb Army can fight alongside Macedonian Army against Albanians?
  >
  >Just few thoughts....
  >
  >later,
  >Mentor


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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:01:45 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2001 16:01:45 
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops Help Defend Macedonia
Message-ID: <F53v1Kq2EkW66oTEewK00004693@hotmail.com>

I agree with Dardan.
Let's not rush with any conclusion.
We should not make mistakes that were made at the very beginning regarding 
the UCK in Kosova.
We all know that there are reasons for unhappiness of Albanians in 
Macedonia.
They have virtually ben excluded from the government for decades.
So many Albanians are without citizenship still in Macedonia.
As we know not a single State University in Albanian is allowed, in 
comparison to FIVE in Macedonian.
I am sure that if Albanians in Macedonia would have been treated equally in 
past 50 years, we would not have Albanian fighters.
No matter how much we dislike what is being said about Albanians now, at 
list Albanians should speak about the roots of the unhappiness, instead of 
rushing to conclusion.

I personally do not know how this people are, but I say, let's wait and see.
They might have something to say.  Of course we Albanians should not forget 
that Albanians are a Divided Nation, i.e. divided by others,
initially in two Albania & Yugoslavia, now we mighe end-up living in five 
countries.

No one has ever asked Albanians for this borders, as were not asked 
recentlly when Macedonia and Serbia signed so called "border agreement".

It is not a coincidence that U.S. is not using the term "terrorists".

Once again I say let's wait, with final conclusions.

Regards
Imer


>From: "Dardan Blaku" <dardan at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>To: <nyc-l at alb-net.com>, <mentor at alb-net.com>, <alb-club at alb-net.com>,   
><albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>, <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>,   
><prishtina-l at alb-net.com>, <tetova-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: RE: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops 
>Help Defend Macedonia
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 09:05:36 -0500
>
>Is there any way we can get first hand information from the region? Did
>anybody interview the civilians that fled the area? Does anyone know
>anything about who these uniformed men are? Are we only being based on the
>reports that come from serb/fyrom/non-albanian sources? Let's not make any
>assumptions.
>
>1. The NATO observers said that they were not aware of any groups crossing
>from Kosova.
>2. One Macedonian official declared on BBC that "local albanians in
>Macedonia behave and they do not engage in terrorist activities"
>
>Who are these people? What do they want? If they are Albanians, have
>representatives and state their demands and I am sure that they will 
>receive
>support from Albanians wherever they are. In my opinion, they caused damage
>to the overall image of Albanians in the Balkans, but I am sure that there
>are many ways in which this image can be transformed into a more positive
>one... It is true, the world is starting to see that over 50% of Albanians
>live outside of Albania, but that does not have to mean that Albanians are
>the troublemakers in the Balkans, they are the victims.
>
>I personally am interested to know what is going on. This whole situation,
>this whole puzzle is missing a lot of pieces.
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: nyc-l-admin at alb-net.com [mailto:nyc-l-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf 
>Of
>bekim isufi
>   Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 2:46 AM
>   To: mentor at alb-net.com; alb-club at alb-net.com;
>albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu; nyc-l at alb-net.com;
>prishtina-e at alb-net.com; prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com
>   Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] BBC: NATO May Let Yugoslav Troops 
>Help
>Defend Macedonia
>
>
>   === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>   I would like to point out that personally I think that considering the
>overall situation in the region, especially the fight in the border with
>Macedonia, it could not have been any more ani-Albanian.  Those who started
>the fight (I am deeply conviced) are either organized by Serbia (and their
>friends) or are complete idiots.  Yet, even more I blame our leaders.
>Besides the rhethoric about Kosova's indipendence - which each and everyone
>of them must support if he/she is to have any political future in Kosova),
>they have all done next to nothing about what they should really be doing.
>
>   These (just as have been the last three years), are very very sad days 
>for
>the Albanians in general.  I am still shocked about how can we be so
>politically diorganized, senseless, and vitrually no vision about the
>future.  The help we got it was vitrtually entirely circumstantial, and we
>still fail to think that NATO bombing of Serbia was absolutely, absolutely 
>a
>miracle.  For the first time for the past over two thousand years it
>happened that we had somebody in our side.  Especially since that moment,
>every single second was very, very precious.  We failed to use the 
>momentum.
>We failed to set clear goals, and deligently work toward realization of 
>such
>goals.  Futhermore, we had to convince to the world that an independent
>Kosovo was going to be a good thing for the region.  Instead we let some
>loosers and gangsters, that are or ought to be our disgrace take the
>steering wheel - towards a national suicide.
>
>   Nobody in the Balkans wants more peace than the Albanians, but we have 
>to
>show the world.  We have  to convince the world that we want a better life
>for ourselves and even for our neighbours.
>
>   What has been happening is a complete madness.  And it should really 
>stop.
>If it doesn't, we are going to be paying a very heavy price.  We have to do
>something while there may still be some time life.
>
>   Greetings to all,
>
>   Bekim.
>
>
>
>   >Just few months back the news of letting Yugoslav troops assist in
>   >defending Macedonia 'against Albanian militia' would have seems as
>distant
>   >as believing that the Serb Army would be stationed all over Kosova 
>again,
>   >after all the massacre they committed on the Albanian population.
>   >
>   >Well, the very fact that such move has been considered by NATO, makes 
>one
>   >think where will it stop? The buffer zone? Inside Macedonian border so
>that
>   >the Serb Army can fight alongside Macedonian Army against Albanians?
>   >
>   >Just few thoughts....
>   >
>   >later,
>   >Mentor
>
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From mentormala at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 10 17:21:37 2001
From: mentormala at hotmail.com (Mentor Mala)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 17:21:37 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Letter sent to President Bush
Message-ID: <F10671yEXUIEAOeIiGX00004dd3@hotmail.com>

The following letter was sent to the President of the United States Georege 
W Bush, as a response to the labeling of the Albanians in Eastern Kosova 
(Presheva Valley) and Macedonia as terrorists by the International Comunity

----------------- Starts HERE ------------------------


To the president of the United States of America,
The honorable George W. Bush


Dear Mr. President,

Recent labeling of the Albanians living in Macedonia and Southern Serbia as 
terrorists by the International Community is just another mistake and 
injustice that the world is making towards the Albanian people. Let us not 
forget, Mr. President that back in 1998, when President Clinton's top 
Balkans envoy, Robert Gelbard, testified in front of the Untied States 
Congress, and amongst others he said..

"I know a terrorist when I see one, and the KLA (KOSOVO LIBERATION ARMY) is 
a terrorist group"

These words gave the green light to the Serbian regime to unleash the now 
famous "Horse Shoe" operation against the Albanians in Kosova, which 
prompted 72 days of NATO Bombings.

I strongly urge you, and your administration to refrain from using the word 
"terrorist" or "terrorism" as such accusations will indeed give green lights 
to the Slavs and their militaries to unleash a similar attack on the 
Albanian population, including civilians.

Mr. President!
Let's go back in time to the year 1878. Let's remember that Kosova, Western 
Macedonia, Southern Serbia a portion of Eastern Montenegro were lands 
belonging to the Albanian Nation. Let us remember the Conference of London 
in 1913, where the Major European powers gave those lands to the Slavic 
nations, undermining this way the will of the Albanian People. You can only 
keep a nation against its will for freedom for so long, Mr. President. 
Decades and even centuries of repression by Slavic states, against the 
Albanian people are finally becoming known. The world is realizing that 
without the resolution of the problem of the Albanians in the Balkans, there 
will never be peace and stability in the region.

In 1995, United States managed to secure a deal in Bosnia, hence the Dayton 
agreement in 1995. That agreement did not even touch the problem of Kosova, 
which 3 years later erupted in a all-out war. In 1998, NATO brokered a deal 
with Milosevic about Kosova, but yet again, it did not touch the issue of 
the Albanian people living outside Kosova.

Mr. President!
Some two hundred twenty years ago the American people chose revolution 
instead of living under the British rule, repressed without freedom. Years 
of repression by the Britons resulted in armed revolution, which 
consequently gave the United States freedom and Independence. Repression 
brings Revolution, Mr. president. Not the other way around. Albanian people 
would have never chosen arms instead of dialogue if it wasn't for years of 
repression by the Slav nations, which until recently were lead by the most 
notorious criminal in Europe since the end of the World War II, Slobodan 
Milosevic.


Sincerely,
Mentor Mala

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From earolda at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 11 15:07:41 2001
From: earolda at hotmail.com (Arolda Elbasani)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 15:07:41 
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
Message-ID: <F138xOjmfCHJr1Wtyi600005c50@hotmail.com>

Dear Etleva
Frankly speaking I was kind of disturbed from your "evaluative" comments on 
the Albanian prime minister. I think that there are plenty of arguments and 
both normative and material facts  to oppose every single claim you have. 
And, I guess that as a student of political science you should go into a 
deeper analyze than just "if he knew how to become prime minister he surely 
knows how to cope with his responsibilities". I personally doubt in how much 
his perceived responsibilities match our needs and aspirations.
Sincerely,

>From: Ebozdo at aol.com
>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>To: <nyc-l at alb-net.com>
>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Albanian PM lashes ethnic Albanian militants (fwd)
>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 15:13:23 EST
>
>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>
>Me siguri zoti Canaj, me siguri. C'kuptim ka kjo pyetje?
>Patjeter qe kryeministri shqiptar qofte edhe ne menyre formale eshte 
>interesuar direkt per fatin e shqiptareve qe jetojne jashte Shqiperise, pse 
>duhet te keni dyshime per kete?! Thjesht nga nje artikull?!
>E para, a mund te thuhen te gjitha ne nje artikull?
>E dyta, vizita e nje kryeministri eshte e percaktuar deri ne detaje. Bile 
>edhe pyetjet jane te percaktuara, ndonjehere edhe pergjigjet. Pastaj jane 
>edhe ca biseda te tjera qe nuk i marim vesh kurre ne, qe quhemi publik.
>(Keto i kam nga nje klase, ku jam per momentin dhe qe quhet "Politika dhe 
>shoqeria"
>Me falni t'ju kujtoj se ne vende te tilla s'ka perngjasim me Alb-Clubin ku 
>ne, me dilentatizmin tone themi cfare na do qefi dhe sic na i do qefi duke 
>mare role nga me te ndryshmet.
>Ne rastin konkret, duhej thene ajo shprehja e famshme per mua:" Kepucar, 
>rri tek kepucet!"
>E fundit, qe s'ka lidhje me te parat, cfare kuptimi ka pyetja juaj e fundit 
>me nje pikecuditese dhe me nje pikepyetje, sepse ndersa teksti eshte ne 
>anglisht, shenjat e pikesimit jane ne shqip. (Per retoriken, anglishtja 
>shume ralle ( ne mos kurre) perdor pikepyetjen dhe pikecuditesen bashke.)
>Dhe pyetja ime eshte: Perse kryeministri i nje vendi te mos jete i 
>interesuar per shtetasit e vet dhe per pjesen tjeter te kombit qe s'eshte 
>brenda kufijve te vet? Kryeministri i kujt do te jete ky njeri pa shtetasit 
>e vet? Si do ta rrite ky njeri reputacionin e vet perpara shtetasve, kombit 
>dhe te hujave nqs ai te pakten s'ben sikur interesohet per njerzit e vet?! 
>Zoti Canaj, une jam e sigurt se ai qe "di" te behet kryeminister di t'i 
>beje edhe keto gjera, qofte edhe me "sikur"...
>Uroj te jem e gabuar, por pse ndonjehere ju tregoheni kaq skeptik? Dhe 
>sidomos pa na dale mire "paqja dhe dashuria" e festes se Bajramit.. :)
>Etleva
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 11 19:58:42 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2001 19:58:42 
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian fighters in Macedonia outlined their demands
Message-ID: <F107carcR4ZDgC81Tbd00007d77@hotmail.com>

Fortunutely we did not have to wait for long for the demands of the NLA 
National Liberation Army to be announced.

They were in a nutshell announced yesterday.

In my opinion the main point in the Platform(demands) is that this group has 
accepted the territorial integrity i.e. the sovereignty of Macedonia as a 
state.

This further means that what they want is the equal rights with Macedonians 
in a common country.

This stance, I believe will help to lessen the pressure that at the present 
is being exerted wrongly upon Albanians/not only in Macedonia but in 
general/ and soon or latter lead to meaningful reconsideration of the 
Albanian people's position in Macedonia.

Macedonians will have no choice but to deal with issues that have been 
neglected on purpose for decades instead of looking for others to blame.

I am sure you have seen and read the Platform, I will only forward few 
sentence from the article in Yahoo that I think has importance to explain 
the reason why this rebel group appeared in a first place:
________________
from Yahoo:
On Saturday, ethnic Albanian rebels in Macedonia outlined their demands for 
the first time, calling for constitutional changes that would define the 
country as ``a state of two constituent peoples - Macedonian and Albanian'' 
and grant broad rights and privileges to its ethnic Albanian minority.

The rebel National Liberation Army also called for international mediation 
to end the conflict and urged other countries to remain neutral despite 
broad international support for the Macedonian government.

In a sign of public sympathy for Macedonia's rebels, three ethnic Albanian 
organizations in Macedonia accused the government Saturday of terrorizing 
ethnic Albanians.

The Alliance of Albanian Women in Macedonia, the Association of Albanian 
Prisoners and the Democratic Forum for Protection of Human Rights issued a 
statement calling the unrest ``a consequence of discrimination.''

Albanians in Macedonia ``have no other choice but to take up arms and defend 
their cultural and national existence,'' they said.
_______________________________________________________________________
Some of the rebel demands, such as constitutional changes and social reform, 
have long been sought by mainstream ethnic Albanian political parties in 
Macedonia.
_______________to me this is the most important part(I.B.)____________

Thanks

Imer




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From eb246 at columbia.edu  Mon Mar 12 10:29:39 2001
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:29:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] FW: President Trajkovski (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10103121025110.26293-100000@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu>

One thing is obvious, Trajkovski knows his way to good PR.
Here's our chance to ask our questions. Though bilingual I am sure they
don't mean the other language is Albanian.
 
******************************************************************

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:10:21 -0500
From: John Micgiel <jsm6 at columbia.edu>
To: Othereurope <othereurope at columbia.edu>
Subject: FW: President Trajkovski


-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Joseph [mailto:b.joseph at president.gov.mk]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 6:05 AM
To: jsm6 at columbia.edu
Subject: President Trajkovski


Dear Professor Micgiel:

The President of Macedonia, Boris Trajkovski, announces the opening of his
bi-lingual web site. The web site will promote two-way communication between
the public, journalist, scholars and leading decision makers. If you have
any specific questions or need to be informed about the latest development
in Macedonia, please access www.president.gov.mk .


Brad Joseph

Senior Advisor to the President




From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 12 17:36:42 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 17:36:42 
Subject: [NYC-L] Macedonian web site.........
Message-ID: <F208maFoCaXxdZ4xo1M00008b9a@hotmail.com>

Dear friends,
I have sent the following text to: Prof. Micgiel, Brad Joseph and mailed to 
<othereurope at columbia.edu

*************************************************************************

Original message sent by Brad Joseph:
_______________________________________________________
Dear Professor Micgiel:

The President of Macedonia, Boris Trajkovski, announces the opening of his 
bi-lingual web site. The web site will promote two-way communication between 
the public, journalist, scholars and leading decision makers. If you have 
any specific questions or need to be informed about the latest development 
in Macedonia, please access www.president.gov.mk .


Brad Joseph
________________________________________________________


Dear Prof. Micgiel and others,

As I come across this information about the web site of the Macedonian 
President, I had some doubts about it and visited the site.

I have to say, unfortunately my doubts were justified.

The web site is only in Macedonian an English.

What about Albanian language and the need of Macedonian President to 
communicate with Albanian people in Macedonia.  Or seems to me that 
Macedonian President is more interested to sell his story to the media than 
to tackle issues that have been neglected for decades. There was and there 
is still great unhappiness and deep dissatisfaction of Albanians in 
Macedonia and this is one of the reasons why there are Macedonian Albanians 
(not from Kosova) fighting in the hills of Macedonia.

The guerillas agenda is the same as of Albanian Political Parties in 
Macedonia that achieved nothing during endless negotiations within 
Macedonian official political structure in the last decade.


As a Professor you would understand the importance of the education and in 
this respect of the University.

This people on the hills are fighting for the University in Albanian 
language to be recognized. They have other demands that can be summarized as 
asking for equality within Macedonia.

They have stated they accept the Sovereignty of Macedonia and want to be a 
part of it.

Albanians in Macedonia are between 30 and 40%
(no precise figure is accepted by either side as there were manipulations 
reported during the census).

NLA National Liberation Army has demanded a census to be carried out
under the supervision of an international body.

All this demands are very well known to Macedonian Government but they were 
never accepted when brought forward by Albanian Political Parties.

Of course I do not support the violence.
I just want to point to the discrimination that went on for so long in 
Macedonia as a fertile ground for unhappy people that will choose to fight 
among other things, for the right to education.

For Macedonian President to launch a web site only in Macedonian and English 
I don't think is a great achievement.

It is only one more fact of Macedonia's stance not to allow Albanians to 
participate equally in running the country and to deny them their civic 
rights.

If the above mentioned problems are solved by negotiating with Albanian 
representatives, Macedonia has nothing to fear for its future. Otherwise I 
believe that ignoring the situation and pretending that everything was fine 
for last 50 years, will just draw more Albanians in Macedonia on the 
rebel(NLA) side and this could than become a real danger for all in the 
region but first for Macedonia.

Imer Berisha
Cleveland
Ohio





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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 12 18:12:04 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 18:12:04 
Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: RE: Macedonian web site.........
Message-ID: <F96fYQGKgfEUrIQirui0000916d@hotmail.com>



>From: "John Micgiel" <jsm6 at columbia.edu>
>To: "Imer Berisha" <imerprishtina at hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: Macedonian web site.........
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 12:48:17 -0500
>
>Dear Mr. Berisha:
>
>	Thanks for your comment.  I've forwarded it to the President's Office in
>Skoplje.  Best, JM
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Imer Berisha [mailto:imerprishtina at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:43 PM
>To: jsm6 at columbia.edu
>Subject: Macedonian web site.........
>
>
>
>Original message sent by Brad Joseph:
>_______________________________________________________
>Dear Professor Micgiel:
>
>The President of Macedonia, Boris Trajkovski, announces the opening of his
>bi-lingual web site. The web site will promote two-way communication 
>between
>the public, journalist, scholars and leading decision makers. If you have
>any specific questions or need to be informed about the latest development
>in Macedonia, please access www.president.gov.mk .
>
>
>Brad Joseph
>________________________________________________________
>
>
>Dear Prof. Micgiel and others,
>
>As I come across this information about the web site of the Macedonian
>President, I had some doubts about it and visited the site.
>
>I have to say, unfortunately my doubts were justified.
>
>The web site is only in Macedonian an English.
>
>What about Albanian language and the need of Macedonian President to
>communicate with Albanian people in Macedonia.  Or seems to me that
>Macedonian President is more interested to sell his story to the media than
>to tackle issues that have been neglected for decades. There was and there
>is still great unhappiness and deep dissatisfaction of Albanians in
>Macedonia and this is one of the reasons why there are Macedonian Albanians
>(not from Kosova) fighting in the hills of Macedonia.
>
>The guerillas agenda is the same as of Albanian Political Parties in
>Macedonia that achieved nothing during endless negotiations within
>Macedonian official political structure in the last decade.
>
>
>As a Professor you would understand the importance of the education and in
>this respect of the University.
>
>This people on the hills are fighting for the University in Albanian
>language to be recognized. They have other demands that can be summarized 
>as
>asking for equality within Macedonia.
>
>They have stated they accept the Sovereignty of Macedonia and want to be a
>part of it.
>
>Albanians in Macedonia are between 30 and 40%
>(no precise figure is accepted by either side as there were manipulations
>reported during the census).
>
>NLA National Liberation Army has demanded a census to be carried out
>under the supervision of an international body.
>
>All this demands are very well known to Macedonian Government but they were
>never accepted when brought forward by Albanian Political Parties.
>
>Of course I do not support the violence.
>I just want to point to the discrimination that went on for so long in
>Macedonia as a fertile ground for unhappy people that will choose to fight
>among other things, for the right to education.
>
>For Macedonian President to launch a web site only in Macedonian and 
>English
>I don't think is a great achievement.
>
>It is only one more fact of Macedonia's stance not to allow Albanians to
>participate equally in running the country and to deny them their civic
>rights.
>
>If the above mentioned problems are solved by negotiating with Albanian
>representatives, Macedonia has nothing to fear for its future. Otherwise I
>believe that ignoring the situation and pretending that everything was fine
>for last 50 years, will just draw more Albanians in Macedonia on the
>rebel(NLA) side and this could than become a real danger for all in the
>region but first for Macedonia.
>
>Imer Berisha
>Cleveland
>Ohio
>
>
>
>
>
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From mentormala at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 13 02:37:36 2001
From: mentormala at hotmail.com (Mentor Mala)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 02:37:36 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: Macedonian President's website, What's the point?
Message-ID: <F1961gHrQ5NeEzVWRba00004ce4@hotmail.com>

Dear Mr. Berisha and others,

I was impressed with your response to the previous message. It entailed a 
lot of details and the main reason why fighting has expanded in Macedonia 
and the Presheva Valley. It is obvious that the Macedonian government is 
trying to hide the correct composition of the people in Macedonia. The main 
reason for this, to my belief, is that if it comes out that 35% or more of 
the entire population consists of one ethnic group, that ethnic group can 
not be considered a minority, but a "constituent" part of the population 
with the other ethnic group of the same or similar percentage. This will 
automatically allow for a publicly funded university on that language, 
participation in a lot more governmental institutions and so many other 
rights that can be denied to a minority. With that being a fact, no wonder 
why the government is afraid, so to speak, of a census governed by an 
International body.

Speaking of the website of the Macedonian President.. I could not help 
myself, as curiosity is a virtue of us humans, but to visit it, and surely 
it was in Macedonian and English. This is another proof that the Macedonian 
government, or at least the president of Macedonia, is literarily not 
interested in reaching out to the Albanians and explain their/his views on 
the language of their own. You said it right, Mr. Berisha, he seems more 
interested in reaching out to the World media, than to the people of its own 
State.

Needless to say, most of us have read the previous messages in this mailing 
list, and I posted a letter sent to President Bush. Amongst others, I stated 
in that letter, that "Revolution is a result of repression, not the other 
way around." Dayton Peace accord in 1995 left the issue of the Albanians in 
the former Yugoslavia, untouched. In 1998, NATO managed to secure an 
agreement with an indicted war criminal, Milosevic, in Kosova. They again, 
didn't address the issues of the Albanians living outside Kosova.

When will it end? I hope it will soon. But my guess tells me otherwise. I, 
in no way, support violence, but am a firm believer that it is everyone's 
God given right to protect themselves from an aggressor, and stand up to 
that aggressor with whatever means available.

Mentor Mala
Saint Petersburg, FL USA

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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 13 22:27:32 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 22:27:32 
Subject: [NYC-L] Letter to the Editor of AP /Outbreak of fighting in Macedonia/Mr..Testorides
Message-ID: <F103PAJESuTeiFttNpa0000b1b8@hotmail.com>

Dear frienda and compatriots,

This is the letter I have just sent to the Editor of the Associated Press 
and to Mr.Testorides, in relation to today's article of Mr.Testorides, who 
does not want to mention things, that I believe he does not like.

_________________________________________________________________
To the Editor of the Associated Press /also to Mr. Testorides/

I have a particular respect for the work that Associated Press is doing at 
the present and has been doing in the past covering the recent conflicts in 
the Balkans.

However, it has to be said that from time to time some reporters do show a 
certain amount of partiality, lack of arguments and most often the omission 
of certain facts that will otherwise give the respected reader an 
opportunity to have an information containing all the needed details, and 
make his own judgment on the issue.

Unfortunately, an instance like this is the article posted today at Yahoo, 
page about Kosova, by Associated Press, having as the author Mr. Konstantin 
Testorides.

Mr. Testorides among others states:

"The ultimate aim of fighting in both regions appears to be to link them to 
an independent Kosovo run by the ethnic Albanian majority, despite 
international opposition to sovereignty for the Serbian province."


Let we recall that article is primarily about the fighting in Macedonia.

If Mr.Konstantin Testorides has its opinion, of course he has the right to 
make it public. Even if this opinion is not in line with the arguments of 
the matter. This is his freedom of speech.

But what Mr.Testoridis is doing and, I believe has no right to do as a 
journalist/reporter, is to hide the facts.

I do understand that a lot of journalists when they start to write about a 
certain issue do not have enough information about it, which to some extend 
is excusable.

So in this case we are dealing with one of those two scenarios:

1. Either Mr. Testorides has not enough information of what is happening on 
the ground in the region (as I said this is forgivable) and does not make 
any effort to familiarize himself with events in the region, which is not 
forgivable to someone claiming to be a journalist of Associated Press.

2. OR is Mr.Testorides on purpose hiding from the reader important 
information, knowledge of which by the reader,will make his task more 
difficult(Mr..Testorides' task) to influence public opinion in the way he 
wants.

I believe that Mr.Testorides' article i.e. the omission of some crucial 
information belongs to the second category, i.e. he has on purpose left out 
the events of two days ago:

-Outlined demands of Albanian Fighters in Macedonia stating that:
THEY ACCEPT THE SOVEREIGNTY OF MACEDONIA AS A STATE, and are not fighting to 
destroy Macedonia.

I believe that if any similar situation happens in any country, it is very 
important to know who is behind and what are demands, therefore it should 
have been to the benefit of the reader for Mr.Testorides to inform him/her 
of this, to me very important development.

Interestingly enough, other demands contained on their agenda, wanted some 
individuals or not cannot be characterized other bur relating to human 
rights such as:

- the right to Macedonian citizenship;

- the right to use Albanian Language as an official language;

- the right to education/ to have at least one University in Albanian
  Language (35-40% of Macedonia's population are Albanians);

- equality with Macedonians that's what NLA-National Liberation Army   
wants;(Albanian population want the same)

- a census to be carried under international supervision;
  (than everyone would know what is the percentage of Albanians in
   Macedonia)

To make things worse for people who see, or would like to see these demands 
as "illegal, extremist etc." they will be disappointed to know that all 
these demands have been put forward for years by Albanian Political Parties 
but no avail. Macedonian government thought that it would be enough as fare 
as the respect of human rights and the rights of minorities is concerned if 
Albanians in Macedonia are not imprisoned and killed on daily bases as in 
Kosova!

At this point something to think about: what defines a minority as a such
a 5%, 10%, 30% or 49% a difficult question I suppose for HR Lawyers too.

Allow me to remind you one more thing, no Albanian can write his/her name in 
their shops in Albanian language in Macedonia, it is prohibited, even if the 
majority of the town's population is Albanian.

For the sake of comparison in London for instance you can write your name in 
any language you can think of.

Therefore I appeal to the Associated Press to have in mind a balanced 
approach of a journalist when they assign reporters to different areas.

Journalists should not hide the facts and should not make their own 
judgments or prejudge anything.

I believe they should "display" the facts, so te speak, to the reader and 
allow him the choice i.e. to make his/her own opinion.

Putting before the reader all information, germane to the situation, by  the 
Associated Press and its journalists, will be an important contribution to 
the peaceful resolution of any conflict and this one in particular.

Yours sincerely,

Imer Berisha
Cleveland
Ohio
e-mail:
imerprishtina at hotmail.com




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From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 14 17:46:41 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 17:46:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Macedonia: Human Rights Violation
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103141745510.10072-100000@alb-net.com>

1. Macedonian Police Brutality and Abuse

"Police searches of the houses of ethnic Albanians in Aracinovo were
characterized by the use of excessive force. On 14 January men and boys
were beaten in several houses. One man had his jaw broken, reportedly with
a police rifle butt. Six men and two 15-year-old boys were made to lie
face down outside another house and were kicked and beaten as they lay. A
70-year-old man was allowed to sit up, but the others were reportedly kept
on the ground for up to three hours. The ill-treatment was allegedly
accompanied by references to their Albanian ethnicity. Old men, women and
children were allegedly guarded at gunpoint by police for three hours in
another house."

http://www.balkanreport.com/angliski/policebrutalityreport.htm
http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/index/EUR650052000
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###


2. Citizenship and Constitution

"Despite government promises to reform Macedonia's overly exclusive 1992
citizenship law in line with Council of Europe standards, the law remained
unchanged. Drafted at the time of its independence from the Socialist
Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Macedonia's citizenship law never
adequately resolved the status of the significant number of Yugoslav
citizens who were long-term residents in Macedonia but who were neither
born in Macedonia nor ethnic Macedonian. Large numbers of ethnic Albanians,
Turks, and Roma who knew no other home than Macedonia remained effectively
stateless as a result of the law."

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###


3. Education:

"In July, the government adopted legislation to resolve the long-standing
question of Tetovo University, a private Albanian-language institution that
Macedonian authorities refused to accredit as an educational institution.
The passage of the law on education on July 25 established a new
multi-lingual tertiary institute offering training in business, education,
and public management. The internationally funded institution, intended as
a replacement to Tetovo University, would allow Albanians to study in their
own language, although a proficiency test in Macedonian would be required
before their diplomas were officially recognized. Despite receiving the
backing of the Albanian party in the ruling government coalition, the new
institute did not receive unequivocal support from the country's ethnic
Albanian population, many of whom wanted nothing less than the recognition
of Tetovo University itself."

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html
###



From harpgirlwendy at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 19:52:00 2001
From: harpgirlwendy at yahoo.com (Wendy Leigh)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:52:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NYC-L] TË LIROHEN MENJËHERË TË BURGOSURIT!
Message-ID: <20010315005200.8735.qmail@web4802.mail.yahoo.com>

*******Please take a moment to subscribe and join the
fight to release the Ethnic Albanian prisoners still
being held in Kosovo NOW!!!!!!!!************



   ODMAH OSLOBODITE ALBANSKE ZATVORENIKE!
      RELEASE THE ALBANIAN PRISONERS NOW!
        T? LIROHEN MENJ?HER? T? BURGOSURIT!
           LASST JETZT DIE GEFANGENEN FREI!!
              http://www.kosova-info-line.de/APP/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

#  E-MAIL-ACTION: A-PAL REQUEST FOR HELP: ACT NOW!!!!
    (mail: kosova at jps.net, 14 Mar 2001)
#  Kosovo's Missing Persons - Little or No Hope
    (AIM Belgrade, February 26, 2001 published 13 MAR
2001)
#  FreeB92  Last update: Mar 14, 2001 18:49 CET
    - Council of Europe office in Belgrade on Friday 
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    - Experts warned off Racak site 
#  Free Serbia Latest News
    03/14/2001, Morning -- Ombudsman for Kosovo asks
UNMIK and KFOR
      Novitzky: Prevent destruction of books in
Serbian language
    03/14/2001, Morning -- 
      Armed Albanians prevent investigation in Racak
#  Skinheads Attack Roma in Belgrade
    (HLC-website, March 13, 2001)
_______________________________________________________________________
-------- Original Message --------
Betreff: RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW!
Datum: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:02:14 -0800
Von: <kosova at jps.net>
An: "Prishtina-E" <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>,"Albanian
Discussion"
<ALBANIAN at LISTSERV.ACSU.BUFFALO.EDU>

List Members,

Join the efforts to release the remaining Albanian
Political Prisoners
from Serbia.  Their cruel and unjust detainment must
finally come to an
end. Consistent pressure since November of 1999 has
aided in the 
release
of many prisoners.  There are approximately 500
remaining.  ONE soul is
too much; 500 is outright disturbing and morally
WRONG.

Let's not let these lives deteriorate in prison. 
Encourage others to
sign the petition online at:
http://www.khao.org/appkosova/app_online.htm or visit
http://www.kosova-info-line.de/APP/ to contribute to
the email action
campaign.  If nothing else, please forward this
message onto others.

RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW!

Additional information on the prisoners may be found
at:
http://www.khao.org/appkosova.htm

This mail is part of an E-MAIL-ACTION:
RELEASE THE PRISONERS NOW !
T? LIROHEN MENJ?HER? T? BURGOSURIT!
LASST JETZT DIE GEFANGENEN FREI !
ODMAH OSLOBODITE ZATVORENIKE !
http://www.kosova-info-line.de/APP/
mailto:beineke at kosova-info-line.de

======================================

Association of Political Prisoners - A-PAL : URGENT!
March 11, 2001

A-PAL REQUEST FOR HELP: ACT NOW!!!!

To our relief and delight, one hundred and fifty
Albanian prisoners 
were
released this weekend from Serbian prisons. However
approximately five
hundred were left behind, not included so far in the
Amnesty Law. The
Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade has a
recommendation for the 
process
they suggest for the remaining prisoners.

We need your help in emailing European, UN, and US
organizations and
leaders urging them to immediately take a position
supporting this
recommendation. If you know of any human rights
organizations who can
help, email them too. Below is a suggested letter.
Please adapt it or
use it in any way you feel is necessary. But don't
delay!

************************************

March 11, 2001
Dear _____________________ ,

By this weekend, one hundred and fifty ethnic Albanian
prisoners have
been allowed to go home, following the enactment of
the FRY Amnesty 
Law.
Thousands of relatives and friends welcomed them back
in joyous 
reunions
in Kosova.

However, to date, five hundred Albanian prisoners
still remain in
Serbian prisons. Supposedly, these cases will be
subjected to a 
judicial
review. The Humanitarian Law Center in Belgrade has
stated on March 7,
that Yugoslavia have without reason denied amnesty to
250 remaining
Albanians, many of whom are still undergoing trials.
In addition, the
143 members of the Gjakova group have yet to be
pardoned. Nine 
prisoners
were recommended for humanitarian release due to
untreated injuries
suffered at the Dubrava massacre in May, 1999. Some
others are up for
parole.

We urge you to support the HLC recommendation that
"the defects in the
Amnesty Law be rectified by scheduling an early
session of the Serbian
Supreme Court" at which the appeals, pardons, paroles
and dismissals
could be resolved at once, and that outside observers
from human rights
groups, OSCE, the UN and embassies observe these
proceedings.

Sincerely,
##
_________________________
At the UN--email for a meeting on Kosova on March 16,
2001:

1. USA at usaun at undp.org
2. UK at uk at un.it
3. Ukraine at ukrun at undp.org
4. Russian Fed. rusun at un.int
5. Malaysia mysun at undp.org
6. Netherlands netherlands at un.int
7. France france at un.int
8. China chinun at undp.org
9. Canada canada at un.int

The primary function of the security council is to
maintain peace and
security in accordance with the principles of the U.N.
 These include
the Geneva Conventions. The prisoner issue IS a
violation of the Geneva
Conventions No. 3 and No. 4. All parties here are
co-signers, and are
therefore responsible for the welfare of the
prisoners:

EU
Javier Solana Tony Blair: gbrun at undp.org
Council Secretariat OSCE Secretariat: info at osce.org
Rue de la Loi 1715 Jaques Chirac-fraun at undp.org
Brussels B1048 Colin Powell-secretary at state.gov
Belgium US Senate For. Affairs--Sen. Wellstone, Helms,
Biden, Lieberman

US CSCE Committee-Chairmen Sen Nighthorse, Rep. Chris
Smith:
bob.hand at mail.house.gov
OSCE/State Dept: odlumGX at state.gov
Sweden Foreign Affairs Minister - Lady Gun-Britt
Andersson:
gun-britt.andersson at foreign.ministry.se
OSCE Secretary: info at osce.org
Amnesty International: amnestyis at amnesty.org

======================================
EP members active in the prisoner campaign
A. Bart Staes: b.staes at europarl.eu.int
A. Oostlander: a.oostlander at europarl.eu.int
B. Emma Bonino: e.bonino at agora.stm.it
C. Olivier Dupuis: o.dupuis at agora.stm.it
D. Peter Walsh: pwa at gofree.indigo.ie

<<END>>
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Kosovo's Missing Persons

Little or No Hope

According to the Association of Families of Missing
and Abducted 
Persons
of Kosovo, 20 percent of the Serbs on their list went
missing before 
the
1999 NATO bombing, five percent during the bombing,
and 75 percent 
after
the arrival of peacekeepers in the province 

AIM Belgrade, February 26, 2001 

One of the placards relatives of missing Kosovo Serbs
regularly display
during their frequent protests says: "Fourteen Kostics
have been
abducted -- Where are they?" The Kostics were a big
family of workers
and farmers from the village of Retimlje, near
Orahovac. During a
three-day operation of the Kosovo Liberation Army in
the Orahovac 
region
from July 17 to July 19, 1998, at the time the OSCE
verification 
mission
was present there, farmer Andjelko Kostic, 62, was
killed in front of
his home, and then all who were present -- men, women,
and children --
were taken prisoner. 
    Andjelko's son was given two hours to bury his
father, and the men
where then herded into a truck and taken in the
direction of the 
village
of Opterusa. They were never heard from again and
nothing is known of
their fate. A total of 43 Serbs were abducted, among
whom were the 14
Kostics. Pavle Kostic, the other son of the murdered
Andjelko, could 
not
reach the village on the day his family disappeared
because of the
fighting. Today he lives in the Belgrade suburb of
Zeleznik with his
mother, his sister, and her three children. He has no
job. Together 
with
other members of the Association of Families of
Missing and Abducted
Persons of Kosovo he constantly calls on
representatives of the new
authorities, foreign embassies, and international
organizations. "They
tell us: 'We understand how you feel and we'll do what
we can.' We 
don't
know whether they understand how we feel, but nothing
has been done,"
says Pavle Kostic. 
    A host of international organizations deals with
the people of all
nationalities who went missing in Kosovo. Each one of
them has its own
data, procedures, methodology, and priorities. Among
them is, first of
all, the International Committee of the Red Cross
(ICRC), the most
active in the search for the missing persons, and
followed by UNMIK,
that is, its office for human rights and joint tasks
with which a 
bureau
for imprisoned and missing persons has been founded,
as well as a 
police
unit for missing people. The OSCE is also there with
its unit for
missing persons, as well as the Victim Recovery and
Identification
Commission (VRIC), the non-government International
Commission for
Missing Persons, the Office of the U.N. High
Commissioner for Human
Rights, and a special High Commissioner envoy for
human rights. 
    Shortly after he took office, Yugoslav President
Vojislav Kostunica
formed a Commission for Missing and Displaced Persons
and Refugees. 
    A federal Commission for Kosovo, headed by Momcilo
Trajkovic, was
also established and announced it will form a
subcommittee for the
missing. After the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia ended,
relatives of
missing people created several associations to deal
with this issue. 
The
results of their endeavors, however, brought little
comfort to families
searching for their beloved ones. 
    According to the ICRC, the fate of over 3,500
people who went
missing in Kosovo since the beginning of 1998 is still
unknown. In an
updated version of the book on the missing the ICRC is
preparing, the
names of 2,700 missing ethnic Albanians and 830
non-Albanians (of whom,
according to UNMIK, about 550 are Serb and about 300
of other ethnic
groups) will be listed. The Association, however, has
a list of 1,300
missing Serbs. ICRC representatives say that the
difference is due to
the fact that not all families have approached them
and that in many
cases, whole families have disappeared, leaving no one
to fill out the
necessary paper work (the ICRC accepts applications
only from close
relatives). The Association has numerous files on
exactly such cases: 
in
June, 1999, the entire Sutakovic family was abducted:
father, mother,
and their three sons, ages 20, 18 and 12; on July 17,
1988, on the
outskirts of Orahovac the Baljosevic family was
abducted -- father,
mother, son, daughter-in-law and 13-month-old baby.
According to the
Association -- and its data is not disputed by the
International
Committee of the Red Cross -- 20 percent of the
missing Serbs on their
list were abducted before the NATO bombing started on
March 24, 1999,
five percent during the bombing, and 75 percent after
the arrival of
peacekeepers in Kosovo. 
    Many of the abductions were witnessed by others.
On July 12, 1999, 
a
woman and her daughter-in-law were present when the
woman's husband and
son were taken away. They saw five KLA fighters in
uniform pushing them
into a white Mercedes and taking them away in an
unknown direction. 
They
remembered the license plates and reported the
abduction immediately to
the German KFOR units in charge of the town. The man
and his son were
never found and their kidnappers were not discovered. 
    Most representatives of international
organizations in charge of
missing persons are convinced that many of the victims
are no longer
alive and that it will be hard to find their bodies.
"We found the
majority of missing Albanians, some 1,000, in Serbian
prisons," says
Francois Blanchi from the ICRC."The same, however,
does not go for
non-Albanians. Missing Serbs, for instance, were not
found in regular
prisons in Kosovo, neither in Bondsteel, nor in
Pristina, nor in
Mitrovica. Stories of secret camps, especially in
northern Albania,
persist, although they were never officially
confirmed. Exhumation and
identification of the bodies are a story in their own
right. The ICRC
has a list of 3,200 exhumed bodies, of which almost
1,300 have yet to 
be
identified. The organization says that there are 17
unexamined mass
graves (which the Hague Tribunal is not interested
in). All clothes and
personal property found on the bodies exhumed from the
graveyards in
Pristina, Gnjilane, Djakovica, Pec, Prizren, and
villages near Kacanik
and Glogovac, were shown to the relatives of the
missing persons on
three occasions -- Albanians and Serbs were separately
invited for
identification. This helped to identify a number of
people, but only 
the
body of monk Hariton (without the head because it
could not be found)
was delivered to priests for burial. When the bodies
of other people 
are
in question, the families were told there was no
adequate "legal and
technical" cooperation, and that therefore they could
not be given the
bodies to bury them in their graveyards in accordance
with their
customs. 
    Unofficially, international organization
representatives thus 
define
the main problems: only the former embattled sides --
the KLA and the
Yugoslav army and Interior ministry -- can say in what
currently 
unknown
locations the battles were waged and where additional
bodies can be
found. But by doing that, however, they would
incriminate themselves or
others close to them, and today all fear
responsibility for war crimes.
Witnesses, when there are any, are afraid to speak. 
    In Bosnia and Herzegovina, of 20,500 persons who
went missing 
during
the war according to ICRC data, only 10 percent have
been found. 

Roksanda Nincic 
(AIM)
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Council of Europe office in Belgrade on Friday 

15:44 BELGRADE, Wednesday - The Council of Europe
Secretary-General
Walter Schwimmer will open this organisation's office
in Belgrade on
March 16, Tanjug reports. 
The branch office will include office space for the
OSCE. 
Attending the opening will be OSCE representatives,
Romanian Foreign
Minister Mircea Geoana and Yugoslav Foreign Minister
Goran Svilanovic. 
_______________________________________________________________________
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Experts warned off Racak site 

21:17 RACAK, Tuesday - A group of Kosovo Albanians
wielding guns drove
away a team of international experts investigating the
scene of an
alleged massacre of Albanian civilians carried out in
1999 in the
village of Racak. 
The investigation was part of the trial in Pristina
District Court of
Zoran Stanojevic, a Serb accused of the murders on
January 15, 1999.
(Srna) 
_______________________________________________________________________
http://128.121.251.38/bnews/bnews.php?language=english

Free Serbia Latest News

03/14/2001, Morning -- Ombudsman for Kosovo asks UNMIK
and KFOR
Novitzky: Prevent destruction of books in Serbian
language

Ombudsman for Kosovo Marek Novitzky asks KFOR and UN
civilian missions
to prevent further destruction of books in Serbian
language which are
stored in the library in southern part of Kosovska
Mitrovica, reports
Radio 021. 
In the ombudsman's report distributed to media, it is
warned that all
books in Serbian language printed in Cyrillic have
recently been taken
out of library in Kosovska Mitrovica and destroyed. 
The report does not specify the number of books but
strongly demands
that books printed in Cyrillic from that library be
protected. 

03/14/2001, Morning -- 
Armed Albanians prevent investigation in Racak

The group of Kosovo Albanians threatened with guns the
team of
international experts and drove them away from the
village of Racak, 
the
place where the massacre of Albanian civilians was
allegedly committed
in 1999. 
In District Court in Pristina, the case against Zoran
Stanojevic who 
was
indicted of murder on ethnic grounds of Albanian
civilians on 15 
January
1999 in the village of Racka, near Stimlje, is
currently in progress.
(SRNA)
_______________________________________________________________________
http://www.hlc.org.yu/english/minorities/rminorities10.htm

Skinheads Attack Roma in Belgrade

March 13, 2001

A group of some 30 Roma men, women and children were
attacked by
skinheads in a Belgrade suburb around 9 p.m. on 11
March. About 15
skinheads first threw rocks at a streetcar in which
the Roma were 
riding
and, when some of the Roma men got out to defend their
families,
assaulted them with baseball bats, thick sticks,
bottles and rocks.
Zvonko Mitrovic told the Humanitarian Law Center the
assailants wore
Spitfire jackets, that some had shaven heads, and that
they chanted:
"Forward, Skins!" and used obscene language. 

An all-out fight ensued in which several Roma men were
slightly 
injured.
Milorad Jovanic was struck just above the left eye, on
the head and 
left
arm. Zvonko Mitrovic received a blow to the shoulder
and Milan 
Jovanovic
to the head with baseball bats. Dragan Jovanovic and
Ljubisa Sainovic
were hit in the legs with rocks. 

When more Roma men got out of the streetcar and were
beginning to
overcome the assailants, the skinheads drew back,
still throwing rocks.
The Roma boarded the streetcar again and, as it was
leaving the scene,
another twenty or so attackers in similar attire
emerged from the yard
of a nearby elementary school and chased after it. At
that point, two
police patrol cars appeared. Officers from one of the
cars apprehended
several assailants while those from the other
questioned the Roma and
called an ambulance. 

As five of the injured Roma were climbing into the
ambulance, a female
paramedic said: "Where do you think you're all going?
This isn't a 
Gypsy
caravan." A male paramedic was also impolite. Both
refused to give 
their
names to Mitrovic who was able only to note down the
ambulance's 
license
plates: BG 273-154.
_______________________________________________________________________

   ODMAH OSLOBODITE ALBANSKE ZATVORENIKE!
      RELEASE THE ALBANIAN PRISONERS NOW!
        T? LIROHEN MENJ?HER? T? BURGOSURIT!
           LASST JETZT DIE GEFANGENEN FREI!!
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From mkristo1 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 15 12:40:54 2001
From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 17:40:54 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Press: The National Herald; Anastasios meets with Epirotans
Message-ID: <LAW2-F567nlT2NqFJ3s00001bf1@hotmail.com>

Anastasios meets with Epirotans

(from The National Herald, New York, USA, March 2001)

During his stay in New York City last week, Archbishop Anastasios of Tirana 
and all Albania visited the Epirotan Federation at their headquarters in 
Astoria.  Anastasios spoke to those present about the condition of the 
Albanian nation - a topic of extreme importance to Epirotans being that they 
can understand and relate to the issues and concerns of those in Albania as 
a result of their own personal acquaintance with Northern Epiros.

Anastasios, who also answered questions from the audience concerning what 
they can do to help relatives and friends in Northern Epiros, said that 
Albania is very much in need of schools.

The Society of Epirotans, "Anagenisis-Souliotissai", presented the 
Archbishop with a check to help further his work in Albania.
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 15 20:16:44 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 20:16:44 
Subject: [NYC-L] Press: The National Herald; Anastasios meets with Epirotans
Message-ID: <F186swcSBsfnof73aTn00001425@hotmail.com>

I guess everything is clear.

Anastasios has a "great" plan for Albania, to try and bring Greek influence 
in it as much as possible, and to play in line with a group of Greek 
Extremists that dream to conquer the South of Albania.

He should not have been allowed to be in that position at all.

It is the fault of Albanians, in Albania first of all, that have allowed it 
to happen.

To me this was in contravention with the rules governing the Independent 
Orthodox Church of Albania.

The reason why was he allowed are many, but in short it is the lack of 
strength and willingness on the side of Albanian Officials and people to 
stop it.

I was surprise to read Father Arthur Liolin's letter defending the fact that 
he was present in a ceremony together with Anastasios in the U.S.

Seams that some Albanians are putting the religion before the Nation.

Well good lack to them. There ae times that each of us shows its intentions, 
weaknesses or strength.

One thing I know for sure, that Albanians in Kosova would have never allowed 
that a non-Albanian be a head of Religious Structure in Kosova.

But I think this is an occasion that our compatriots from the South of 
Albanian can use to say something about Mr. Anastasios.

I think it is time for him to leave.  But somebody has to "help" him do 
that.

I strongly believe that for religion to prosper within Albanians it is not 
necessary to compromise National interest and National pride.


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>Anastasios meets with Epirotans
>
>(from The National Herald, New York, USA, March 2001)
>
>During his stay in New York City last week, Archbishop Anastasios of Tirana
>and all Albania visited the Epirotan Federation at their headquarters in
>Astoria.  Anastasios spoke to those present about the condition of the
>Albanian nation - a topic of extreme importance to Epirotans being that 
>they
>can understand and relate to the issues and concerns of those in Albania as
>a result of their own personal acquaintance with Northern Epiros.
>
>Anastasios, who also answered questions from the audience concerning what
>they can do to help relatives and friends in Northern Epiros, said that
>Albania is very much in need of schools.
>
>The Society of Epirotans, "Anagenisis-Souliotissai", presented the
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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 16:05:41 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 16:05:41 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Press: The National Herald; Anastasios meets with Epirotans
Message-ID: <b8.12c36419.27e288a5@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/15/01 12:18:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
imerprishtina at hotmail.com writes:


> I guess everything is clear.
> 
> Anastasios has a "great" plan for Albania, to try and bring Greek influence 
> in it as much as possible, and to play in line with a group of Greek 
> Extremists that dream to conquer the South of Albania.

Where is that so clear for you?
> 
> I was surprise to read Father Arthur Liolin's letter defending the fact 
> that 
> he was present in a ceremony together with Anastasios in the U.S.
> 
> Seams that some Albanians are putting the religion before the Nation.

I'm afraid that you are one of them. If you're not an orthodox, what's your 
problem? This is just a religious case.

> 
> Well good lack to them. There ae times that each of us shows its 
> intentions, 
> weaknesses or strength.
> 
> One thing I know for sure, that Albanians in Kosova would have never 
> allowed 
> that a non-Albanian be a head of Religious Structure in Kosova.

 Are you really very sure about that? And if is possible, could you bring 
some more details? What is your religion Sir? What is your grandfather's 
religion? Why is so important to you discussing the Orthodox Church cases 
here? Do you really see any "nation" problems or just you are looking for 
some religion trouble? Again, the religion and the state are separated by law 
in Albania. If any problems, the problem is related only to Albanians 
citizens and their perspective religions.

> 
> But I think this is an occasion that our compatriots from the south of 
> Albanian can use to say something about Mr. Anastasios.

I don't think there is any "patriotism" over there. There is not any problem 
at all. Please, when you try to say something, pay attention in what are you 
saying. The church, the monastery or the mosque are private case for every one

> 
> I think it is time for him to leave.  But somebody has to "help" him do 
> that.

Why are you so worry, by the way? It looks to me that you are a Muslim, than 
what's your problem? Did you hear any Albanian Orthodox that don't agree and 
think there is a problem in Albanian Orthodox Church head office?
Furthermore, in which language do you pray in your God? Because the Albanians 
Orthodox pray in their own Albanian language. I'm pretty sure of that.
If I go further I could say that you still  practise the religion of people 
who occupied us for 500 years, but I'm not going to embarrass myself, because 
the decision is a decision of feel free people. No, I cannot discuss cases 
like that.
Please, don't be ridiculous Sir!

> 
> I strongly believe that for religion to prosper within Albanians it is not 
> necessary to compromise National interest and National pride.

Pashko Vasa said 100 years ago "Don't deal with "Christianizm" or 
"Muslimanizm" but Deal with "Albanianizm" (Pra mos besoni kisha dhe xhamia; 
Feja e shqiptarit eshte shqiptaria)
> 
> m

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From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 00:05:00 
Subject: [NYC-L] Press: The National Herald; Anastasios meets with Epirotans
Message-ID: <F1768zPdqJL947FR7mO000018df@hotmail.com>

For the moment I thought not to respond at all,
as I thought Miss. Etleva has given enough reasons, arguments for readers to 
see her stance and aproach.

However I decided to say few words, but of course not in "an angry manner".

Needless to say all three religions are our religions. I sow no reason to 
state this, but now I think some people ned to hear it.

Are you Miss. Etleva not aware of a policy and territorial claims coming 
from Greece relating to so called "Vorio Epir", or am I imagining.

It is not true that this is only a religious matter, and I believe you know 
that very well, as every Albanian knows it.

You said nothing about the way that Mr. Anastasios was appointed, I suppose 
this means that it does not matter, and the fact that he is a Greek, it does 
not matter!!

Thank God there are other people apart from me that do not share your 
opinion, all throughout Albanian soil.

I am not the only one, in fact I am the last one to criticize his 
appointment.
____Miss.Etleva wrote:____________________________
I'm afraid that you are one of them. If you're not an orthodox, what's your
problem? This is just a religious case.
________________________________

Haw can you say that it is me who is putting religion before the Nation.
What arguments and where did you take them from to support this ridiculous 
claim.  As you see I am not saying that you are ridiculous as you did in 
your letter, I am just saying that your stance is rediculous.

Many Albanians in Albania and in Kosova of all three religions did not agree 
with his appointment, but could do nothing.

Seems that you did not read on this site about the demonstration in NY 
against Mr.Anastasios.
Or the criticism/letters in Albanian press condemning Father Arthur and his 
participation in the ceremony.

Or you red them but disliked them.

And, to be frank again, the level of your letter is about the edge when one 
sees no reason to discuss any issue in this manner.

How can you say: " ...or you are looking for religious trebles?"

This is really "bellow the belt".

Or are you trying to scare me to give up my thoughts.

No one is looking for religious troubles, but you cannot deny to me the 
right to speak for something that has to do with Albania and Albanian people 
as a whole. This is not a religious matter only. In many countries religion 
is intertwined with the state, and plays an important role in everyday life 
including politics.

Greek Nationalism relies on the church too.

___Miss.Etleva wrote________________________________________
Why are you so worry, by the way? It looks to me that you are a Muslim, than
what's your problem? Did you hear any Albanian Orthodox that don't agree and
think there is a problem in Albanian Orthodox Church head office?
Furthermore, in which language do you pray in your God? Because the 
Albanians Orthodox pray in their own Albanian language. I'm pretty sure of 
that.
If I go further I could say that you still  practice the religion of people
who occupied us for 500 years, but I'm not going to embarrass myself, 
because
the decision is a decision of feel free people. No, I cannot discuss cases 
like that.
Please, don't be ridiculous Sir!
______________________________________

Miss. Etleva I did not mean this to be a "fight" between me and you, but 
seems that you have a fighting spirit, unfortunately the target is the wrong 
one.

I am afraid I have to disappoint you again, I do not pray at all(nor do a 
lot of young Albanian friends in Kosova, one thing I know for sure, non of 
the people I know of my generations prays at all).

This does not mean that people who wont to pray cannot do that.

All three religions are part of our National heritage and I have a great 
respect for them. But what is at stake in this case goes beyond religion and 
touches National Albanian interest in general.

For your information I only sing in Albanian (sometimes in English why not).

However I do not see haw this relates to the issue of a non-Albanian citizen 
being appointed at a National level, it does not matter is it orthodox,roman 
catholic or muslim religion, and to me it does not matter is it in Albania 
or in Kosova, for that reason.

As far as the 500 years of occupation is concerned we did not invite 
turks,and for your information parts of the ritual in Kosova among muslim 
Albanians are conducted in Albanian, and this trend is increasing, with the 
new priests taking over from the old ones.

And as you went 500 years ago why not go further where Albanians were nether 
Catholic, nor Orthodox nor Muslims for that reason.

All religions in the World were born in a certain place, at a certain time 
and "exported" or "imported", as the case may be in different areas of the 
world.
(Most of the time with the aim to reach a political and economical goals)
Just to illustrate how much muslim Albanians in Kosova care about National 
heritage and language, I will tell you that sometimes in Albanian Church in 
Prishtina there are more Albanians of muslim faith that wont to listen 
ceremony in Albanian (especially on important occasions).

I am sure that Albanians in Albania do not share your idea of keeping a 
"taboo" sign on this issue

One more thing I do not see the reason of putting the name of Vaso Pasha in 
your letter at all.

In all your letter you do prioritize religion in comparison to the Nation.  
What do you need Vaso Pasha than??? Any one can see that you are not in 
favor of "Shqiptarism", as you say.

I can assure you that Vaso Pasha would have never agreed that a non-Albanian 
be appointed for any post at National level in Albania.

Imer Berisha


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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 21:59:07 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 21:59:07 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Press: The National Herald; Anastasios meets with Epirotans
Message-ID: <b6.12987e2b.27e2db7b@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/15/01 4:06:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
imerprishtina at hotmail.com writes:


> 
> For the moment I thought not to respond at all,
> as I thought Miss. Etleva has given enough reasons, arguments for readers 
> to 
> see her stance and approach.
> 
> However I decided to say few words, but of course not in "an angry manner."
> 
> Needless to say all three religions are our religions. I sow no reason to 
> state this, but now I think some people ned to hear it.
> 
> Are you Miss. Etleva not aware of a policy and territorial claims coming 
> from Greece relating to so called "Vorio Epir," or am I imagining.

Hi! Good evening! I didn't mean to be back in that story, But after all I 
respect you, so I have to answer to your questions:

No, I don't care what Greeks call "Vorio Epir." Most of them know that this 
is just a delirium. they, who don't know are like people who don't know that 
all of us are emerged from Austrolopithecus- They live out of time and space. 
There is a Greek problem and not an Albanian problem at all. Did you hear 
somebody from Albania to say that he/she is from Vorio-Epir? Me, nether.

> 
> It is not true that this is only a religious matter, and I believe you know 
> that very well, as every Albanian knows it.
> 
> You said nothing about the way that Mr. Anastasios was appointed, I suppose 
> this means that it does not matter, and the fact that he is a Greek, it 
> does 
> not matter!!
> 
> Thank God there are other people apart from me that do not share your 
> opinion, all throughout Albanian soil.

Actually, I'm sorry but I have no needs to prove my thoughts and my beliefs.

> 
> I am not the only one, in fact I am the last one to criticize his 
> appointment.
> ____Miss.Etleva wrote:____________________________
> I'm afraid that you are one of them. If you're not an orthodox, what's your
> problem? This is just a religious case.
> ________________________________
> 
> Haw can you say that it is me who is putting religion before the Nation.
> What arguments and where did you take them from to support this ridiculous 
> claim.  As you see I am not saying that you are ridiculous as you did in 
> your letter, I am just saying that your stance is ridiculous.

Maybe you are right. All of this is a ridiculous case. I respect you. I 
didn't say you are r..., but I said "Don't be!..." However, sorry! I respect 
you.

> 
> Many Albanians in Albania and in Kosova of all three religions did not 
> agree 
> with his appointment, but could do nothing.
> 
> Seems that you did not read on this site about the demonstration in NY 
> against Mr.Anastasios.
> Or the criticism/letters in Albanian press condemning Father Arthur and his 
> participation in the ceremony.
> 
> Or you red them but disliked them.

The free speech is in American constitution.

> 
> And, to be frank again, the level of your letter is about the edge when one 
> sees no reason to discuss any issue in this manner.

 Thank you!

> 
> How can you say: " ...or you are looking for religious trebles?"
> 
> This is really "bellow the belt."
> 
> Or are you trying to scare me to give up my thoughts.

No, don't be scare please! Give your opinion, it's in your rights. The truth 
is that I'm still thinking there is something wrong in your e-mail.
 To finish the conversation, if you like it, could you please give here: 
1. Some details, where Yanullatos is pro Vorio-Epir in his speech.
2. What is the reason that the Greek priest is in such place in Albanian 
Orthodox church in Albania.


> 
> No one is looking for religious troubles, but you cannot deny to me the 
> right to speak for something that has to do with Albania and Albanian 
> people 
> as a whole. This is not a religious matter only. In many countries religion 
> is intertwined with the state, and plays an important role in everyday life 
> including politics.
> 
> Greek Nationalism relies on the church too.

Maybe, but not in Albania. Albanian Nationalism is not relies in any 
religions at all and never did. Sometimes ago your friends used to protest 
against a school, where 4 girls were not allow to attend the lessons with a 
religious dress. For them this was  such a big deal.  But it was not for 
real. Actually we live in Europe, we practice more than three religions and 
as you noticed, in our past background we use to be just hunters and gathers 
like other people in World. I mean the religion in Albania has the place that 
deserves in a civil state. Nothing more than this.

> 
> ___Miss.Etleva wrote________________________________________
> Why are you so worry, by the way? It looks to me that you are a Muslim, than
> what's your problem? Did you hear any Albanian Orthodox that don't agree and
> think there is a problem in Albanian Orthodox Church head office?
> Furthermore, in which language do you pray in your God? Because the 
> Albanians Orthodox pray in their own Albanian language. I'm pretty sure of 
> that.
> If I go further I could say that you still  practice the religion of people
> who occupied us for 500 years, but I'm not going to embarrass myself, 
> because
> the decision is a decision of feel free people. No, I cannot discuss cases 
> like that.
> Please, don't be ridiculous Sir!
> ______________________________________
> 
> Miss. Etleva I did not mean this to be a "fight" between me and you, but 
> seems that you have a fighting spirit, unfortunately the target is the 
> wrong 
> one.

The female with fighting spirit  is called "Burrneshe" by Albanians :)

> 
> I am afraid I have to disappoint you again, I do not pray at all (nor do a 
> lot of young Albanian friends in Kosova, one thing I know for sure, non of 
> the people I know of my generations prays at all).
> 
> This does not mean that people who wont to pray cannot do that.
> 
> All three religions are part of our National heritage and I have a great 
> respect for them. But what is at stake in this case goes beyond religion 
> and 
> touches National Albanian interest in general.
> 
> For your information I only sing in Albanian (sometimes in English why not).
> 

Good! Did you leave the judgment? :)

> 
> However I do not see haw this relates to the issue of a non-Albanian 
> citizen 
> being appointed at a National level, it does not matter is it orthodox, 
> Roman 
> catholic or Muslim religion, and to me it does not matter is it in Albania 
> or in Kosova, for that reason.
> 
> As far as the 500 years of occupation is concerned we did not invite 
> Turks, and for your information parts of the ritual in Kosova among muslim 
> Albanians are conducted in Albanian, and this trend is increasing, with the 
> new priests taking over from the old ones.
> 
> And as you went 500 years ago why not go further where Albanians were 
> nether 
> Catholic, nor Orthodox nor Muslims for that reason.
> 
> All religions in the World were born in a certain place, at a certain time 
> and "exported" or "imported", as the case may be in different areas of the 
> world.
> (Most of the time with the aim to reach a political and economical goals)
> Just to illustrate how much muslim Albanians in Kosova care about National 
> heritage and language, I will tell you that sometimes in Albanian Church in 
> Prishtina there are more Albanians of muslim faith that wont to listen 
> ceremony in Albanian (especially on important occasions).
> 
> I am sure that Albanians in Albania do not share your idea of keeping a 
> "taboo" sign on this issue
> 
> One more thing I do not see the reason of putting the name of Vaso Pasha in 
> your letter at all.

It's your problem.

> 
> In all your letter you do prioritize religion in comparison to the Nation.  
> What do you need Vaso Pasha than??? Any one can see that you are not in 
> favor of "Shqiptarism", as you say.

For the same reason: The church, the mosque, the monastery in their 
businesses, The Albanian patriotism (I don't really like to much nationalism) 
in its business. 
How can you understand me if you don't like to do that?

> 
> I can assure you that Vaso Pasha would have never agreed that a 
> non-Albanian 
> be appointed for any post at National level in Albania.
> 
> Imer Berisha
> 
> Thank you for your time Mr. Berisha. I really appreciate it.

Etleva Bozdo

> _________________________________________________________________________
> 
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 16 04:06:31 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 04:06:31 
Subject: [NYC-L] Mr. Yanullatos etc...
Message-ID: <F150hQdOgl4rhYQYx3G00001d05@hotmail.com>

Dear Miss. Etleva (and other friends of the list and compatriots)

I don't think there is a need for anything to be said on this matter at 
least not from my side.

You have made clear your stance, as I have mine.

Members of the list can form their opinion based upon what was said.

Therefore you would excuse me but I will not touch upon any of your remarks, 
I have already stated what I think.

I believe that you and other readers could see that there is genuine concern 
on my side, as is the case I believe with all Albanians about well-being of 
our Nation(no matter where).

Thank you for respecting me.

Of course it goes without saying that I respect you and other members of our 
community, and am in favor of a tolerant communication between us, even if 
we disagree.

I believe you and other members of the list would agree that for the moment 
our priority is West Macedonia:Shkupi, Tetova and other areas inhabited by 
Albanians (where by the way, Macedonians allowed religion  to "flourish" but 
not Albanian language, education an culture)

All the best to you,
and to all respected members of the list


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From mentormala at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 16 02:08:51 2001
From: mentormala at hotmail.com (Mentor Mala)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 02:08:51 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] BBC: Impartial, pro-slav or just simply confused?
Message-ID: <F2156WVY5jVkjA2DJxR00001324@hotmail.com>

Dear friends,

I've gotten a few emails from some friends and professors here at USF 
(Univeristy of South Florida) saying that they are confused with what is 
going on in Macedonia, and what the NLA stands for. Reading BBC online, they 
seem to be confused.

After reading the articles, decided to write a letter to the Editor of BBC 
Online.

Here is the copy of the letter

----------Start of letter-----------
To the editor in chief of BBC online.

There are no words to express the importance of presenting facts when 
writing a story about a specific event. It is understood that mistakes can 
happen, however, it is also of an utmost importance to correct those 
mistakes as soon as possible. BBC is a credible organization that many users 
will take its stories and publications for facts. An average user may or may 
not understand that mistakes and confusion of facts may happen.

In the article published on BBCs website, (see URL 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1221000/1221770.stm) 
entitled  "In pictures: Macedonia rebellion" it shows a picture of the NLA 
(National Liberation Army) and the caption reads as follows:

"The militants are believed to be seeking to annex Albanian-populated areas 
of Macedonia into a "greater Albania" "

This caption will give the average user an impression that the Albanians are 
the ones seeking to destroy Macedonia, by annexing land now belonging to 
Macedonia; into what the article calls it a "greater Albania." Let us not 
forget that Western Macedonia, was Albanian land, (1913 Conference of 
London, when Europe gave that land to the Slavic nations as an appreciation 
for their efforts to help combat the Ottoman Empire).

The above article 
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1221000/1221770.stm) 
however, contradicts completely with what the NLA is fighting for. In their 
statements they clearly point out that the fighting is not to create a what 
BBC refers to as "Greater Albania" but for more rights, and equality amongst 
other ethnic groups living in Macedonia.

However another article published in BBC's website 
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1213000/1213887.stm):
"The statement calls for a new Macedonian constitution, better rights for 
Albanians, and international mediation"

The difference between two articles is obvious. One can wonder how can an 
organization with a worldwide known credibility present what is believed by 
only the Slav nations (Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria), namely, the 
intentions of the NLA for a ?Greater Albania? and not be based at all on the 
public declaration of the NLA, which BBC published in a different article.

Such mistakes are only creating confusion amongst readers, especially the 
ones not familiar with the problems in the region. From the first referenced 
article, it is almost certain that the reader will form a negative opinion 
about the NLA, and the Albanians as a whole, for supporting them. 
Furthermore, BBC goes to no extent to explain, or present facts why the 
conflict started in the first place. At no time, at least to my knowledge, 
refer to the beatings tortures and death of the Albanians in the hands of 
Macedonian police and special unit forces since last year.  For more 
information, please refer to the following links:

http://www.balkanreport.com/angliski/policebrutalityreport.htm
http://www.web.amnesty.org/ai.nsf/index/EUR650052000 (Amnesty International)
http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html (Human rights Watch Group).

To ensure impartiality, it is unfair to publish articles containing 
information on what the opposing side believes.

The article ?In pictures: Macedonia rebellion? is offensive to Albanians as 
a nation, and it is unfair. I urge you to either remove the article from the 
website, or change the caption of the first picture to presenting facts, 
based on the statement by the NLA.

Sincerely,
Mentor Mala
Saint Petersburg, FL

---- End of letter -----------

The question still remains. Is BBC Impartial, pro-slav or simply confused?

Later
Mentor
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 16 17:35:34 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 17:35:34 
Subject: [NYC-L] Tonet ndaj Shqipetareve po ndryshojne ngadale...
Message-ID: <F139queolj8Jecd92bX00002978@hotmail.com>



Dy lamjet e meposhtme tregojne se gjerat jane duke ndryshuar.

Edhepse ende po shprazen sharje nga te gjitha anet ne drejtim te 
shqipetareve, pa dallim, kokat e ndezura dhe qendrat e vendimmarrjes 
prapseprar jane duke e pare se ku qendron problemi, dhe gjithnje e me shume 
po permendin permiresimin e te drejtave te shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.

Besoj se eshte vetem ceshtje kohe kur Qeveria Maqedone dhe Pala Shqiptare
sigurishte me prezencen e nje pale te trete do te ulen te bisedojne per 
zgjidhjen e problemeve.

Prej Maqedonis/Maqedoneve varet se a do te behet kjo se shpejti,pas dy-tre 
muaj luftime, ose pas nje apo dy vitesh.

Nje gje e kan te qarte te gjthe: luftetaret shqiptare dhe pdrejtesite ndaj 
shqipetareve nuk do te shduken me te shara dhe deklarata se shqipetaret ne 
Maqedoni kan aqe shume te drejta sa nuk din cka te bejne me ato.


Pasojn dy shkrime te shkurta  nga QIK-u

__________________________________________
BE-ja ka p?rgatitur nj? plan p?r zgjidhjen e problemeve nd?retnike n? 
Maqedoni


Prishtin?, 16 mars (QIK) - Suedia si kryesuese e radh?s s? Bashkimit 
Evropian, njoftohet se ka p?rgatitur nj? plan p?r zgjidhjen e problemeve 
nd?retnike n? Maqedoni, ku theksohet p?r fuqizimin, shtimin dhe p?rmir?simin 
e t? drejtave t? popullsis? shqiptare n? Maqedoni.

Ky dokument do t? jet? tem? diskutimi n? mbledhjen e t? h?n?s s? ministrave 
t? pun?ve t? jashtme t? BE-s? n? Bruksel, ku pritet t? marr? pjes? edhe 
ministri maqedonas i pun?ve t? jashtme S?rgjan Kerim.
__________________________________

Vedrin thot? se Maqedonia duhet t? b?j? m? shum? p?r t? p?rmir?suar gjendjen 
e komunitetit shqiptar


Prishtin?, 16 mars (QIK) - Ministri i jasht?m francez Yber Vedrin tha se 
Maqedonia duhet t? b?j? m? shum? p?r t? p?rmir?suar gjendjen e komunitetit 
shqiptar. Sipas Vedrinit ?sht? e kuptueshme se disa gj?ra duhet b?r? n? 
Maqedoni p?r t'i b?r? shqiptar?t q? t? ndihen m? mir? atje dhe t? luajn? nj? 
rol m? t? madh n? jet?n komb?tare. Vedrin i ka d?nuar aktet e dhun?s, duke i 
quajtur "terroriste" t? kryengrit?sve shqiptar?, por ai thot? se nuk beson 
se situata do t? p?rkeq?sohet p?r t'u shnd?rruar n? nj? konflikt t? ngjash?m 
si n? Bosnj?.
______________________________________


Siq po shuhet tonet po ndryshojne dhe do te ndryshojne edhe me sume me 
kalimin e kohes.

Ju pershendese

Imer Berisha





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From mentor at alb-net.com  Sat Mar 17 11:09:08 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:09:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103171105520.27834-100000@alb-net.com>

Visit the new site AMCC (Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center) for
information on Human Rights Violation against Albanians.

	http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

later,
Mentor

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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:10:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com>
To: Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center News & Information
    <amcc-news at alb-net.com>
Subject: Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity

1. Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity
2. Discrimination: The Macedonian Citizenship Law

###
1. Minority Albanians Say Fight in Macedonia Is for Equity
   Rebels Demand Rights

"A group of ethnic Albanian guerrillas battling for control of a hillside
 overlooking this frightened provincial city said today their sole aim is
 to win more economic and political rights alongside Macedonia's Slavic
 majority."
"In interviews, they said their armed violence was sparked by a decade of
 discrimination at the hands of the Macedonian Slavs who make up nearly
 two-thirds of the country's 2 million inhabitants, alongside tiny
 communities of Gypsies, Turks and Serbs."
"Although the men would not say where they were from, their accents were
 local, giving credence to the theory that the guerrillas had recruited
 members from the predominantly ethnic Albanian towns surrounding Tetovo."
"But little agreement exists in Macedonia about one of the guerrillas' key
 demands, new schools staffed by Albanian-speaking teachers. At present,
 only elementary schools offer instruction in that language. While ethnic
 Albanians see the school issue as a matter of human rights and economic
 opportunity, many Macedonian Slavs consider the creation of more
 Albanian-language schools a recipe for enhanced Albanian nationalist and
 separatist sentiments."

 For full article visit:
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15604-2001Mar16.html
###


2. Discrimination: The Macedonian Citizenship Law

"Despite government promises to reform Macedonia's overly exclusive 1992
 citizenship law in line with Council of Europe standards, the law
 remained unchanged. Drafted at the time of its independence from the
 Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Macedonia's citizenship law
 never adequately resolved the status of the significant number of
 Yugoslav citizens who were long-term residents in Macedonia but who were
 neither born in Macedonia nor ethnic Macedonian. Large numbers of ethnic
 Albanians, Turks, and Roma who knew no other home than Macedonia remained
 effectively stateless as a result of the law."

 http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/europe/macedonia.html





From eb246 at columbia.edu  Sat Mar 17 14:10:58 2001
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:10:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] shperndajeni!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10103171409410.11499-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>

Sorry, available nly in Albanian.

--------

Lexojeni materialin e meposhtem dhe shperndajeni ne te gjtha adresat
shqiptare qe dini.

20 shkaqe pse duhet perkrahur UCK-n ne IRJM (Ish Republika Jugosllave e
Maqedonise)

Sepse papunesia nder sllavet eshte 30 perqind, e nder shqiptaret 60
perqind

Sepse shqiptaret punojne si puntore te thjeshte, ne bujqesi, tregeti te
vogel e artizane, ndersa sllavet ndodhen ne pozita drejtuese, ne
administrate, ne lemet bankare, telekom, arsim e kulture

Sepse shqiptaret s'kane arsim te larte shqip ne deget atraktive qe
shpiejne te puna

Sepse shqiptareve u pranohen diplomat universitare shqiptare e kosovare
ne tere boten, pos ne Serbi e IRJM

Sepse shqiptaret jane te penguar te blejne patundshmeri prej sllaveve pa
leje speciale

Sepse shqiptaret jane te penguar t'i perdorin mbishkrimet shqip ne
lokalitetet ku jane shumice

Sepse ne lokalitetet e brendise shqiptare mungon ende uji, rryma,
telefoni

Sepse shqiptaret jane te penguar t'i perdorin gjuhen e toponimet
shqipe ne fushat e jetes

Sepse nepunesit shqiptare jane te papushtetshem ne lokalitetet ku
shqiptaret jane shumice

Sepse nepunesit shqiptare jane pakice simbolike ne shtet e komune
sepse partite legale shqiptare tash e dhjete vjet sherbejne vetem
si alibi e diskriminimit

Sepse IRJM pas pavaresimit i ka investuar fondet ekonomike
sistematikisht e ekskluzivisht ne trevat sllave, duke e thelluar
hendekun mes shqiptareve e sllaveve

Sepse IRJM pas pavaresimit e ka nderruar kushtetuten enkas per ta
hequr emertimin shqiptar nga preambula

Sepse IRJM pas pavaresimit nga Beogradi e ka mebshtetur sistematikisht
Beogradin kunder Kosoves

Sepse bota i ka ditur te gjitha, por ka vendosur t'i mbylle syte meqe, ne
kete rast, "heshtja eshte ari" - bukvalisht!

Sepse tash bota duhet patjeter te investoj ne nje reforme te IRJM,ndryshe
nje lufte etnike atje s'heshtet dot

Sepse shqiptaret nuk humbin gje esencialisht, meqe ne Siujdhesn Ilirike s'do
te lejohen me pastrimet etnike

Sepse reformimi i IRJM-s shkon ne favor te
800.000 shqiptarve atje, por edhe ne favor te shtetit

Sepse reformimi i IRJM-s shkon ne favor te Kosoves, Shqiprise, Kosoves
Lindore dhe Anamalit, dhe se fundi

Sepse, fundja, eshte me mire t'ia besh bam nje
here si Njeri i Lire, se sa te jetosh njeqind vjet si skllav ne token tende




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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 17 20:13:06 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 20:13:06 
Subject: [NYC-L] Carlotta Gall's article in NYT about fighting in Macedonia
Message-ID: <F49DS7hx27kBnccYTjr00003c7c@hotmail.com>


Dear friens and compatriots,

this a the letter that I've just sent to the Editor of The NYT, regarding 
today's article of Miss.Carlota Gall

The justice is on the side of Albanians in Macedonia, therefore soon or 
latter the justice will win...keep up the good work.......
All Albanians are for the European integration and democracy and eventualy 
we will reach the EU but only as equals with others!

thanks
_________________________________________________________
To the Editor of The New York Times and Miss.Carlotta GALL

Dear sir/madam,


I read today's article in the New York Times and I was surprised to see 
still the stereotype "knowledge" of the facts expressed by your reporter:
____________________________________________
Today, for the third day, police forces fired for several hours at ethnic 
Albanian rebels taking cover in the hills above the city. The insurgents are 
trying to claim parts of Macedonia that are overwhelmingly Albanian, and the 
population is quickly dividing between Slavs and Albanians, just as in 
Kosovo.
___________________________________________

We are all familiar with the demands that NLA National Liberation Army.
They accept territorial integrity of Macedonia, its Sovereignty.

Therefore I do not really understand why your reporter still insists and 
repeats the claim that rebels "are trying to claim parts of Macedonia".

The guerillas agenda is the same as of Albanian Political Parties in 
Macedonia, that achieved nothing during endless negotiations with Macedonian 
official political structure in the last decade.

This people on the hills are fighting, among other things, for the 
University in Albanian language to be recognized. They have other demands 
that can be summarized as asking for equality within Macedonia.

Many of them are still not recognized as Macedonian citizens, because the 
law is discriminatory for Albanians.

To mae things worse Macedonian President has recently launched his official 
web site, but to no surprise, only in Macedonian and English, seems that he 
feels no need to convey his message to the Albanians in Macedonia, or does 
he think that there is no need to communicate with Ethnic Albanians who are 
citizens of Macedonia. Furthermore this another fact of inequality of 
Albanians and Albanian language in Macedonia.

They have stated they accept the Sovereignty of Macedonia and want to be a 
part of it.

Why is your reporter amputating claims to the rebels that they have not 
made?

Albanians in Macedonia comprise between 30 and 40% of the entire population 
(no precise figure is accepted by either side as there were manipulations 
reported during the census).

NLA National Liberation Army has demanded a census to be carried out
under the supervision of an international body.

All this demands are very well known to Macedonian Government but they were 
never accepted when brought forward by Albanian Political Parties.

We all need to find a way out from the war.
I just want to point to the discrimination that went on for so long in 
Macedonia as a fertile ground for unhappy people that will choose to fight 
among other things, for the right to education.

If the above mentioned problems are solved by negotiating with Albanian 
representatives, Macedonia has nothing to fear for its future. Otherwise I 
believe that ignoring the situation and pretending that everything was fine 
for last 50 years, will just draw more Albanians in Macedonia on the 
rebel(NLA) side and this could than become a real danger for all in the 
region but first for Macedonia.

One fear can prevail in Macedonian Government though, and this is the fear 
from real equality between Ethnic Albanians and Ethnic Macedonians, in 
Macedonia as a common country.

At this point I believe there is still time to find a peaceful solution to 
the problem.

The demands of the rebels are the same as demands of the entire Albanian 
people in Macedonia. Ignoring them and pursuing the current path with 
stubbornness, will bring us to the "no turn point", meaning that it will be 
much more difficult to start any kind of negotiations in few months time 
after hundreds and hundreds of people are killed, injured etc. If no 
negotiations are forthcoming, at least with the leaders of Albanian 
Political Parties in Macedonia addressing each and every problem and demand 
for equality of Albanians in Macedonia we will reach the point that this 
will no longer be possible.

On the other hand, best way to disarm the rebels is by addressing the 
problems and anxieties that Albanians have in Macedonia, that were ignored 
so fare.

Your reporter states in the same article the fact that a town with 80% of 
Albanians, Tetova, has 90% Ethnic Macedonian Slavs comprising a police 
force, meaning with only about 10% Albanians.

No comment is needed.

Therefore at the end I would urge you and your reporters to have in mind the 
facts that the rights of Albanians in Macedonia were neglected for decades 
as were neglected in Kosova and Serbia. The fact that Albanians were not 
killed in thousands and on daily bases in Macedonia does not mean that there 
were no problems.

For 10 years no solution was found, because Macedonian Government sow no 
need to improve the status of Albanians in Macedonia. While gross violations 
of human rights in Kosova were at the focus the public, Macedonian 
Government felt complacent, and did nothing to address issues properly.

Macedonian Government at least now should fight the roots of the problem
i.e. come up with the plan of measures to address the needs and demands of 
Albanians that are not from today or yesterday but have been sitting in 
Macedonian Government's office for years.


Imer Berisha
Cleveland
Ohio





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From puka at usa.net  Sat Mar 17 18:31:33 2001
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: 17 Mar 2001 18:31:33 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce destroyed
Message-ID: <20010317233133.8038.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net>

"Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3 helikopterave, sot rra njeri
helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para se me dal...

Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed near the scene of the
clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12 policemen, Macedonian and NATO
sources said. 



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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 19 16:04:56 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:04:56 
Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: [Tetova-L] Oana Lungescu - BE dhe Maqedonia
Message-ID: <F5DRD25ZufWGz2wt3su00005a2a@hotmail.com>



>From: neim.rustemi at idun.no
>Reply-To: tetova-l at alb-net.com
>To: tetova-l at alb-net.com
>Subject: [Tetova-L] Oana Lungescu - BE dhe Maqedonia
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:47:00 +0100
>
>                       --- Tetova-L Discussion Forum ---
>
>
>
>
>
>  Oana Lungescu - BE dhe Maqedonia
>
>
>  19.3.2001 7:22 (CET)
>  Oana Lungescu mbi mb?shtjen q? Bashkimi Evropian i ka ofruar
>  Universitetit t? Evrop?s Juglindore n? Tetov? dhe takimeve n?
>  fush?n e diplomacis? nd?rkomb?tare jav?n e ardhshme.
>
>
>  Shqet?simi sa vjen e rritet se situata n? Maqedoni mund t?
>  p?rkeq?sohet edhe m? shum?. Para dy dit?sh komisioneri evropian
>  per ??shtje t? jashtme, Kris Paten i ka telefonuar presidentit
>  maqedonas, Boris Trajkovski p?r t? shprehur mb?shtetjen e tij
>  dhe p?r t? d?nuar sulmet e dhunshme t? atyre q? i quajti nj?
>  pakic? e vog?l ekstremist?sh. N? t? nj?jt?n koh?, zoti Paten
>  ofroi ndihm? financiare p?r projekte q? synojn? p?rmir?simin e
>  gjendjes s? popullat?s shqiptare n? Maqedoni. Z?dh?n?si i tij,
>  Gunar Vigand tha:
>
>
>  "Ne jemi zotuar t? mb?shtesim krijimin e nj? universiteti q? do
>  t? punoj? n? gjuh?n shqipe dhe kjo ?sht? di?ka e re. P?r
>  popullat?n shqiptare nuk ka institucione t? arsimit t? lart?
>  dhe kjo do t? p?rb?het nga nj? shum? prej afro pes? milion?
>  dollar?sh p?rkrahje p?r k?t? projekt. P?rve? k?saj, ne i kemi
>  ofruar tani qeveris? s? Maqedonis? p?rkrahje p?r t? p?rmir?suar
>  drejtimin e vendkalimeve kufitare, q? po ashtu jan? nj? burim i
>  pak?naq?sive t? komunitetit shqiptar nga t? dyja an?t e
>  kufirit, sepse kalimi i kufirit merr shum? koh?".
>
>
>  P?r Universitetin e Evrop? juglindore n? Tetov? do t?
>  diskutohet edhe nga ministrat e jasht?m t? BE-s? dit?n e h?n?.
>  Suedia thot? se p?r shkak t? r?nd?sis? simbolike, projekti i
>  universitetit duhet t? p?rfitoj? nga ndihma e shtuar e BE-s?
>  dhe ajo dypal?she. N? dokument thuhet po ashtu se BE-ja duhet
>  t? k?rkoj? m?nyra t? p?rmir?simit t? situat?s s? pakic?s
>  shqiptare n? Maqedoni, sidomos n? pjes?n m? pak t? zhvilluar n?
>  per?ndim t? vendit p?rmes projekteve t? infrastruktur?s q?
>  krijon vende pune.
>
>
>  Suedia po ashtu propozon q? BE-ja t? shqyrtoj? ndihm?n teknike
>  p?r regjistrimin e ardhsh?m t? popullsis? dhe t? inkurajoj?
>  autoritetet maqedonase t? rekrutojn? dhe aft?sojn? personel
>  shqiptar p?r zyr?n e statistikave komb?tare. Ajo po ashtu
>  propozon q? OSBE-ja t? forcoj? misionin e saj p?r t? p?rkrahur
>  aft?simin e nj? force policore shum?komb?she dhe t? p?rmir?soj?
>  vet?qeverisjen lokale.
>
>
>  N? p?rgjith?si Suedia beson se qeveria maqedonase duhet
>  inkurajuar q? t? p?rshpejtoj? reformat n? vend q? synojne
>  shtimin e t? drejtave t? pakicave dhe p?rfaq?simin n? struktura
>  zyrtare, sidomos n? polici, dhe p?r t? forcuar rolin e gjuh?s
>  shqipe. Ajo po ashtu rekomandon dialog t? vazhduesh?m me
>  partit? politike maqedonase dhe shqiptare si dhe me udh?heq?sit
>  politik? n? Kosov? dhe Shqip?ri, duke i b?r? thirrje t?
>  gjith?ve q? t? distancohen nga veprimet ekstremiste dhe
>  mostoleranca etnike.
>
>
>  T? h?n?n ministri i jasht?m maqedonas, Serxhan Kerim do t?
>  udh?toj? p?r n? Bruksel p?r t? zhvilluar bisedime me ministrat
>  e jasht?m t? BE-s? dhe me zyrtar?t e lart? t? NATO-s. Po at?
>  dit? m? von?, shefi i politik?s s? jashtme t? BE-s?, Havjer
>  Solana shkon n? Shkup s? bashku me nj? ekip diplomat?sh t?
>  lart? t? BE-s?. Ata do t? raportojn? p?r takimet e tyre t?
>  premten e ardhshme n? samitin e udh?heq?sve t? BE-s? n?
>  Stokholm. BE-ja po ashtu po p?rgatitet t? tregoj? p?rkrahjen e
>  saj p?r lidhje m? t? ngushta ekonomike dhe politike me
>  Maqedonin? me n?nshkrimin e nj? marr?veshje p?r stabilizim dhe
>  asociim muajin e ardhsh?m, marr?veshja e par? e tille e arritur
>  me nj? vend ballkanik, me shpres?n se vet? Maqedonia do t? jet?
>  e q?ndrueshme deri at?here. Suedia paralajm?ron n? dokumentin e
>  saj se n?se BE-ja nuk vepron shpejt ajo mund t? ballafaqohet me
>  nj? kriz? t? re humanitare n? rajonin e Ballkanit, me numra m?
>  t? m?dhenj refugjat?sh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_____________________________________________________
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From eb246 at columbia.edu  Mon Mar 19 12:27:19 2001
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:27:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: CfA: Scholarship for Students from Serbia, Montenegro and
 Kosovo (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10103191225080.24835-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>

Financial aid for Kosovar students.
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE.
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:04:24 -0500
From: Sherrill Stroschein <strosche at ohio.edu>
To: othereurope at columbia.edu
Subject: Fwd: CfA: Scholarship for Students from Serbia, Montenegro and
Kosovo

>Cross-posted from balkans at yahoogroups.com
>
>For the second time the European Students Forum AEGEE set up a programme
>for the duration of one academic year (ten months) which arranges full
>scholarships provided by universities in Germany, the Netherlands,
>Poland, France and Greece. The scholarships available will be given to
>students
>from Serbia, Montenegro, and Kosovo.
>Applicants should be under 26 years old and in an advanced level of their
>studies (a minimum of two years already having studied). All applicants
>will hand in an essay.
>
>This essay contains:
>a) A short description of and view on the current state of affairs at
>their home
>b) A short summary of the applicants social or political activities
>c) A short motivation letter for studying abroad, the impact it will have
>on your activities and studies
>d) Ideas for the initiation of joint projects during the seminars
>
>The essay shall consist of no more than 3000 words. Bigger essays will
>not be taken into consideration!
>
>The essay has to be handed in before 30rd of March 2001, accompanied
>with:
>- a curriculum vitae
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From ipanajoti at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 20:34:51 2001
From: ipanajoti at yahoo.com (ira panajoti)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 17:34:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce destroyed
In-Reply-To: <20010317233133.8038.qmail@nwcst322.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <20010319013451.9519.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com>

If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians! 
The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
or Serbs provokes laughter in some people.  The author
of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
of humor or a career in politics!  Stay away from
comedy or the political arena!  Good luck!
--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
>           ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> ---------
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>  
> 
> "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> se me dal...
> 
> Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> near the scene of the
> clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> sources said. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
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> ---------
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>  
> 
> "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> se me dal...
> 
> Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> near the scene of the
> clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> sources said. 
> 
> 
> 
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From lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk  Mon Mar 19 07:40:10 2001
From: lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk (Lutfi Mjekiqi)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:40:10 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] RE: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce destroyed
In-Reply-To: <20010319013451.9519.qmail@web11606.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIABACDEFPHELBEPHGEBPCBAA.lutfi@mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>

You can say whatever you like about other people's sence of humor. After
all, the joke is for those who know what the joke is.
I just want to make clear that through history freedom fighters did not
"create bad name for Albanians". Contrary.
They were, are and will be the pride of nation.
In principle, of course I am against all wars, and would like the earth to
be a heavenly place where all people live in peace and harmony.
That is not the case in Macedonia, not in Serbia, not in Greece.
I do not accept the role of second class (third...) citizen enforced by
these or any other government in my own fatherland.
If it takes war for them to acknowledge this simple and basic fact and do
something about it, than war let it be.
After all, did not all the nations won liberty fighting?
I do not know your nationality, but I believe your countryman did not win
freedom preaching others in their career path or sence of humor.

-----Original Message-----
From: albanian-uk-admin at alb-net.com
[mailto:albanian-uk-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of ira panajoti
Sent: 19 March 2001 01:35
To: G.S
Cc: alb-club at alb-net.com; Albanian Discussion List;
albanian-uk at alb-net.com; nyc-l at alb-net.com; prishtina-e at alb-net.com;
prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com; albsa-info at alb-net.com
Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce
destroyed


-------- Albanian UK --------

If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
or Serbs provokes laughter in some people.  The author
of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
of humor or a career in politics!  Stay away from
comedy or the political arena!  Good luck!
--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
>           ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> ---------
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> http://www.albstudent.org -
>
>
> "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> se me dal...
>
> Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> near the scene of the
> clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> sources said.
>
>
>
>
--- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
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> ---------
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>
>
> "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> se me dal...
>
> Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> near the scene of the
> clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> sources said.
>
>
>
>
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From besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk  Mon Mar 19 08:42:46 2001
From: besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk (Besim Gerguri)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:42:46 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce destroyed
References: <LPBBIABACDEFPHELBEPHGEBPCBAA.lutfi@mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003001c0b07a$80bc59e0$02000003@oemcomputer>

Ni varijante tjeter e rrezimit te helikopterit makedon osht se u kane me
dirigjim prej se largu-i lidhun me konop, per mos me hupe. Keshtu qe konopi
u pshtjell per telat e banderit ,ngat shpise se Osman Sutlijashit ,dhe u
rrxu. "Shume keq", tash Maqedonise i kane mete vetem edhe dy helikoptera.
Lutfi, mu ma merr menja se Ira osht shiptare se tregimi (hajgarja)se si ka
ra helikopteri osht ne shqip-nashta ja ka perkthy najkush.

Besimi


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lutfi Mjekiqi" <lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com>; "G.S" <puka at usa.net>
Cc: <alb-club at alb-net.com>; "Albanian Discussion List"
<albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>; <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>;
<nyc-l at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>;
<tetova-l at alb-net.com>; <albsa-info at alb-net.com>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce
destroyed


> -------- Albanian UK --------
>
> You can say whatever you like about other people's sence of humor. After
> all, the joke is for those who know what the joke is.
> I just want to make clear that through history freedom fighters did not
> "create bad name for Albanians". Contrary.
> They were, are and will be the pride of nation.
> In principle, of course I am against all wars, and would like the earth to
> be a heavenly place where all people live in peace and harmony.
> That is not the case in Macedonia, not in Serbia, not in Greece.
> I do not accept the role of second class (third...) citizen enforced by
> these or any other government in my own fatherland.
> If it takes war for them to acknowledge this simple and basic fact and do
> something about it, than war let it be.
> After all, did not all the nations won liberty fighting?
> I do not know your nationality, but I believe your countryman did not win
> freedom preaching others in their career path or sence of humor.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: albanian-uk-admin at alb-net.com
> [mailto:albanian-uk-admin at alb-net.com]On Behalf Of ira panajoti
> Sent: 19 March 2001 01:35
> To: G.S
> Cc: alb-club at alb-net.com; Albanian Discussion List;
> albanian-uk at alb-net.com; nyc-l at alb-net.com; prishtina-e at alb-net.com;
> prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com; albsa-info at alb-net.com
> Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce
> destroyed
>
>
> -------- Albanian UK --------
>
> If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> or Serbs provokes laughter in some people.  The author
> of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> of humor or a career in politics!  Stay away from
> comedy or the political arena!  Good luck!
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
> >           ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > ---------
> >           - ALBSA Web Site:
> > http://www.albstudent.org -
> >
> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net> wrote:
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> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com  Mon Mar 19 09:42:52 2001
From: Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com (Fisnik Ismaili)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:42:52 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
 stroyed
Message-ID: <198F9D15E0A8D411BAD500508BB330D5106F72@CUBEMAIL01>

That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
written.

Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or does
that make me a shameful Albanian, too?

Easy with the accusations...


----- Original Message -----
From: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com <mailto:ipanajoti at yahoo.com>>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:34 AM
Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce
destroyed


> -------- Albanian UK --------
>
> If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > ---------
> > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> >
> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
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> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
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From puka at usa.net  Mon Mar 19 12:44:22 2001
From: puka at usa.net (G.S)
Date: 19 Mar 2001 12:44:22 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
Message-ID: <20010319174422.2487.qmail@nwcst284.netaddress.usa.net>

To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate the Macedonians
even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). The only thing
that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful compared to the
Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope the war ends
today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on for extended
Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on will only make
us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).

>That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
>written.

>Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or >does
that make me a shameful Albanian, too?

>Easy with the accusations...

> If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > ---------
> > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> >
> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > ---------
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> >
> > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > se me dal...
> >
> > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > near the scene of the
> > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > sources said.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From dardan at alb-net.com  Mon Mar 19 18:53:27 2001
From: dardan at alb-net.com (Dardan Blaku)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:53:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's
 Airforce de stroyed]
In-Reply-To: <20010319174422.2487.qmail@nwcst284.netaddress.usa.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103191851160.9670-100000@alb-net.com>

Did any of you wait in the Kosova/Macedonia border for over 6/7 hour while
the jackass macedonian official played around with you and your
passport just because you were albanian?



On 19 Mar 2001, G.S wrote:

>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>
> To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
> negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate the Macedonians
> even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). The only thing
> that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful compared to the
> Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
> contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope the war ends
> today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on for extended
> Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on will only make
> us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).
>
> >That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
> >written.
>
> >Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or >does
> that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
>
> >Easy with the accusations...
>
> > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> > the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > ---------
> > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > >
> > >
> > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > se me dal...
> > >
> > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > near the scene of the
> > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > sources said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
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> > >
> > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > se me dal...
> > >
> > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > near the scene of the
> > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > sources said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 16:47:53 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:47:53 
Subject: [NYC-L] Discrimination against Albanians in Macedonia/Poloce/Army
Message-ID: <F118jWV1U3iV2KsFo8l0000758c@hotmail.com>


Dear friends and compatriots,

The very core of the problem in Serbia was/is not only Milosevic as a single 
individual/criminal or whatever you may call him.

The main problem in Serbia was and still is the Milisevic in the heads of 
too many Serbs. I am afraid but it is the majority of Serbs that have agreed 
and some of them participated in Serbian policy of killings and deportations 
in Kosova.

It was Serbs that is "ordinary serbs" (again the vast majority) who brought 
Milosevic in power and kept him for so long, until there was no seat left 
for him to try.

It is all to well to be politically correct.  But the truth is that 
Milosevic did not loose elections because of what he did in Kosova but
MILOSEVIC LOST ELECTIONS IN SERBIA BECAUSE HE DID NOT COMPLETE WHAT HE 
STARTED/THAT IS THE EXPULSION OF ALBANIANS FROM KOSOVA.

Not only that, he brought NATO in Kosova too, these are the reasons why 
Milosevic lost, not because Serbs changed their mind towards attrocities 
committed against Albanians in Kosova. They still pretend it was a theatre, 
it did not happen.

The same  explenation applies to Macedonia.  Every single Albanian no matter 
where he/she is from, knows (or should know) how much Macedonians hate 
Albanians and Albanian language in general.  It is a said truth that 
majority of Macedonians does share this feeling, of course together with the 
government.  So I agree that as in Serbia, in Macedonia too the problem is 
not only with the governmental structure, it is wider.

Of course if the Govrnment is a progressive one it can affect the change in 
peoples attitudes by opting in favor of democratic solutions and towards 
accepted standards in relations to its citizens, or towards Albanians in 
this case.

The example of Montenegro shows how much can a government do if it decides 
to distinguish itself and the country from a faschizoid policy, i.e. of 
Milosevic.  It was unimaginable some years ago to talk of differences 
between Serbian and Montenegrin policy, but this is reality now. As was it 
unimaginable for Albanians to escape the attrocities of Milosevic and seek 
refuge in Montenegro (about 50.000).  I think this is appreciated by 
Albanians and shows that we do know and can distinguish "goodies" from the 
"bedies".

The EU and others are slowlly becoming familiar (if they did not know that 
before,I doubt they didn't know) about the position of Albanians in 
Macedonia. No matter how much they are condemning the rebels they do mention 
more and more the problems that need to b addressed. Unfortunattely, as this 
problems are nearly 10 years old and EU did not care for this, this showa 
that they have no prevention mechanism, and they will only act if the there 
is a war. If only few figures are mentioned it is obvious that Albanians in 
Macedonia have been marginalized to the extreme:

Tetova 90% Albanian population,
mind you 80% Ethnic Macedonians as policemen,

Workforce in Macedonia:

- Ethnic Macedonians......................84,5%

- Ethnic Albanians.........................9,4%
(potential workforce is................. 18,5%)    (Source: BBC)


Army and Police Force employees:

_ Ethnic Macedonians......................93,9%

- Ethnic Albanians.........................3.1%     (Source BBC
  (Ethnic Albanian Solders/not employees..40%    (Source: Karl Bild)

Only from this data one can easily infer what are the reasons for the 
unhappiness of Albanians in Macedonia.

Macedonian stance seems to be:

"We did not kill you every day as Serbs killed Albanians in Kosova, so you 
(Albanians in Macedonia) should be lucky to alive"

I'm afraid Albanians do know what are modern standards of a civilized 
society towards ethnic communities and they will not rest until they reach 
them.

Thanks

Imer Berisha

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From mentormala at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 12:42:09 2001
From: mentormala at hotmail.com (Mentor Mala)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:42:09 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Government of Albania: Having trouble deciding on whose side it is?
Message-ID: <F2086KiMQpv9Lj6MkKK00002625@hotmail.com>

Hi all,
I was reading CNN.COM and came accross an article which amongst others said:

"The terrorists have to be isolated. Even the Albanian prime minister has 
condemned the activities of these terrorists. All the more reason all of us 
have to condemn and isolate the terrorists. Nothing can be achieved through 
violence and nothing should be achieved through violence.

"The military action the government has to take to defend themselves has to 
be done in a proportionate matter. They have to defend themselves, but in a 
proportionate manner." "

That is a quote from Javier Solana. Full article can be read at 
http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/20/macedonia.clashes.02/index.html

I guess when you actually read articles quoting Albanian Prime Minister, and 
even the President of the Republic of Albania just trashing our boys 
fighting for what we always stood for, freedom and unity, then I guess we 
can not expect anything else in return from the rest of the world.  I mean 
why in the world would Javier Solana would deffend Albanians, when the 
government of their mother state is trashing them? Ilir Meta, Rexhep 
Mejdani, Pandeli Majko and some other Kosovar political personalities are 
TRUE LEADERS. They are good leaders. One thing however I am not sure of is 
that I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE LEADING US TO. DESTRUCTION, HUMILIATION, 
BAD REPUTATION AS TERRORISTS, or just simply assimilation to other 
non-albanian nations.

Anyways, I get frustrated just thinking about scenarios like the one above.

Will we ever learn from our own mistakes? I guess not, otherwise we would 
have not been in this situation in the first place.

later all
Mentor Mala
Saint Petersburg, FL

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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 18:13:52 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:13:52 
Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject)
Message-ID: <F170avN3qljWwY0VnkB0000046d@hotmail.com>



Dear friend and compatriots,

It is not as bad as it looks   /hello to Mentor Mala: some politicians
                                are shortsighed....let them be..../

A part from an article in the Guardian that shows the changes as anticipated 
towards undersending the reasions why the Albanians are fighting and, that a 
solusion is for Macedonian Govrnment to accept negotioations and change its 
policy.

_________________________________
Nowhere near the brink (Guardian, March 19, 2001) Posted Monday, March 19, 
2001

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,458971,00.html

Nowhere near the brink

Ignore the hysteria. Macedonia is not about to spark a Balkan
conflagration

Jonathan Steele
Monday March 19, 2001
The Guardian


____________________________
.............................

If the gunmen are to remain isolated, a heavy responsibility now
rests on the local politicians of both sides as well as, to a lesser
extent, on western governments. The Albanian leaders in Macedonia and in
Kosovo must go beyond their public condemnations of the gunmen and start
serious discussions with them and their leaders for a ceasefire.

The gunmen have made a point but they must now leave room for political
talks by elected leaders to go forward.

By the same token, the Macedonian military and police must avoid any
escalation. It is clear that Nato is not going to get involved with
troops, beyond a belated tightening up of security on the border between
Kosovo and Macedonia. It is also apparent that the Macedonian security
forces do not have the men, the equipment, or the sophisticated training
to take the gunmen on by themselves. Blasting mortar rounds into
forested hillsides serves little purpose other than as a temporary,
though spurious, morale-booster for Macedonia's Slav majority. But it
carries the risk of civilian casualties which would only serve to
radicalise a wider segment of the Albanian population. The Macedonian
military must avoid the use of excessive force which the Serbs wielded
in Kosovo in 1998, turning the whole Albanian community against them.
If a ceasefire can be achieved quickly, then all sides must be ready
for wide-ranging talks and reasonable concessions.

A decade after its hasty and unprepared independence, Macedonia needs to 
take a deep breath and work out a new dispensation. Albanian leaders must 
make anunequivocal declaration that they do not want to split the state. 
Theymust also renounce federalisation, at least for a 10-year period, in 
return for progress in opening public service jobs to Albanians.

The constitution needs to enshrine multiracialism instead of its current 
assumption of Slav supremacy. Albanian must be recognised as an 
officiallanguage for parliament, the courts and public service. A minority 
as large as a third of the population, as the Albanians are thought to 
be,deserve no less. With common sense in Macedonia, and less hysteria 
outside it, solutions can be found.
_____________________________________________________


Yes, more and more people do understand the reasons, and the way out from 
this crises, Macedonian Gov., will sooner or later change its mind too.

It might only "need" more time, because for them it is difficult to talk 
with Albanians as equal negotiating party, but they will learn this, I'm 
sure.

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From vbelegu at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 16:24:13 2001
From: vbelegu at hotmail.com (Visar Belegu)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:24:13 -0600
Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject)
Message-ID: <LAW2-OE69zjnQivSls4000000a3@hotmail.com>

. . .and then there was common sense to replace hysteria amongst us all.  Preach on, Mr. Steele.



----- Original Message -----
From: Imer Berisha
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 12:20 PM
To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject)


          === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===




Dear friend and compatriots,

It is not as bad as it looks   /hello to Mentor Mala: some politicians
                                are shortsighed....let them be..../

A part from an article in the Guardian that shows the changes as anticipated
towards undersending the reasions why the Albanians are fighting and, that a
solusion is for Macedonian Govrnment to accept negotioations and change its
policy.

_________________________________
Nowhere near the brink (Guardian, March 19, 2001) Posted Monday, March 19,
2001

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,458971,00.html

Nowhere near the brink

Ignore the hysteria. Macedonia is not about to spark a Balkan
conflagration

Jonathan Steele
Monday March 19, 2001
The Guardian


____________________________
.............................

If the gunmen are to remain isolated, a heavy responsibility now
rests on the local politicians of both sides as well as, to a lesser
extent, on western governments. The Albanian leaders in Macedonia and in
Kosovo must go beyond their public condemnations of the gunmen and start
serious discussions with them and their leaders for a ceasefire.

The gunmen have made a point but they must now leave room for political
talks by elected leaders to go forward.

By the same token, the Macedonian military and police must avoid any
escalation. It is clear that Nato is not going to get involved with
troops, beyond a belated tightening up of security on the border between
Kosovo and Macedonia. It is also apparent that the Macedonian security
forces do not have the men, the equipment, or the sophisticated training
to take the gunmen on by themselves. Blasting mortar rounds into
forested hillsides serves little purpose other than as a temporary,
though spurious, morale-booster for Macedonia's Slav majority. But it
carries the risk of civilian casualties which would only serve to
radicalise a wider segment of the Albanian population. The Macedonian
military must avoid the use of excessive force which the Serbs wielded
in Kosovo in 1998, turning the whole Albanian community against them.
If a ceasefire can be achieved quickly, then all sides must be ready
for wide-ranging talks and reasonable concessions.

A decade after its hasty and unprepared independence, Macedonia needs to
take a deep breath and work out a new dispensation. Albanian leaders must
make anunequivocal declaration that they do not want to split the state.
Theymust also renounce federalisation, at least for a 10-year period, in
return for progress in opening public service jobs to Albanians.

The constitution needs to enshrine multiracialism instead of its current
assumption of Slav supremacy. Albanian must be recognised as an
officiallanguage for parliament, the courts and public service. A minority
as large as a third of the population, as the Albanians are thought to
be,deserve no less. With common sense in Macedonia, and less hysteria
outside it, solutions can be found.
_____________________________________________________


Yes, more and more people do understand the reasons, and the way out from
this crises, Macedonian Gov., will sooner or later change its mind too.

It might only "need" more time, because for them it is difficult to talk
with Albanians as equal negotiating party, but they will learn this, I'm
sure.

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From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 21 14:18:52 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:18:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Action needed!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103211411510.23390-100000@alb-net.com>

>>>>>>>>>>>>    R E A D    AND   D I S T R I B U T E  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

The following shows that BBC (and others) taking serioussely the
responses/feedback they get.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_1231000/1231762.stm

I think it is time for action. Please visit the site (an similar sites at
CNN, Yahoo, Altavista, AP, AOl, etrc..) and rise your voice in defence of
Human and Civil Rights for Albanians in Macedonia.

For poinst to talk about, please visit the following site:

 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/humanrights.htm

later,
Mentor



From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Mar 21 15:01:00 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:01:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Press-Release: Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103211459340.23390-100000@alb-net.com>

PLEASE distribute as wide as you can!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:50:02 -0500
Subject: Press-Release: Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC)

____________________________________________________________________

 >>>>>    Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<<
                 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

____________________________________________________________________

 The Alb-Net Group is pleased to announce the launching of the
 new site, the Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC).

 	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/

 The site covers the ongoing situation in Macedonia with daily
 news-updates as well as developments with Human and Civil Right
 issues.

 Daily News-Updates:

	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/news.htm

 Human and Civil Rights Issues Coverage:

	URL: http://www.alb-net.com/amcc/humanrights.htm

 To contact us please e-mail at amcc-info at alb-net.com

 Sincerely,
 AMCC Webmaster
 Alb-Net.Com Group

____________________________________________________________________

 >>>>>    Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center (AMCC) <<<<<<<<
                 http://www.alb-net.com/amcc

____________________________________________________________________



From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri Mar 23 13:50:28 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 13:50:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] **ALERT** Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned! Macedonian security
 banns  the distribution of FAKTI international edition Posted Friday, March
 23, 2001 (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103231350100.15699-100000@alb-net.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:09:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Mentor Cana <mentor at alb-net.com>
To: Albanians in Macedonia Crisis Center News & Information
    <amcc-news at alb-net.com>
Subject: **ALERT** Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned! Macedonian security
    banns  the distribution of FAKTI international edition Posted Friday,
     March 23, 2001


*** ALERT ***
Albanian Daily in Macedonia Banned!

Announcement from Shkupi daily newspaper on Albanian language FAKTI

Macedonian security banns the distribution of FAKTI international edition.
- Shkup, 23. 03. 2001 -

The Editor of Shkupi-based daily newspaper on Albanian language FAKTI
informs the public that the Macedonian State Security has banned the
distribution of the international edition of this newspaper to some of the
west European countries.

The entire circulation of the FAKTI-International, dedicated to
Switzerland, was confiscated amd banned for further distribution on March
22, 20001 ate 0700hrs at the International Airport in Shkupi.

This is the first time that the Macedonian security forces would ban the
distribution of some newspaper. Therefore, the Editor of FAKTI demands
from the Macedonian authorities to respect the Article 16 of the
Constitution of Macedonia and Article 10 of the European Human Rights
Convention that guarantee freedom of obtaining and transmitting
informations or ideas, without interference by state institutions and
regardless of state borders and allow the free distribution of FAKTI from
Skopje to Zurich.

Daily Newspaper FAKTI





From mentor at alb-net.com  Fri Mar 23 18:06:29 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:06:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] map of Macedonia showing Albanian in habited areas
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103231804120.15699-100000@alb-net.com>

I'll appreciate very much if someone can point me to a map of Macedonia
where Albanian inhabited areas are highlighted/marked.

thanks,
Mentor



From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Mar 20 05:35:19 2001
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:35:19 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] RE: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airfor ce
 de stroyed]
Message-ID: <AD35145AF4A8D411BD6702204804F2830248BFC0@zhard00m.europe.nortel.com>

Dear G.S
You, obviously, are not from former yugoslavia and, if that is the case, I
don't blame you, too much. Where do you think "macedonian jackass police"
came from? I don't think that macedonians separated all their jackasses on
one side and decided that, they and only they can become policemen. For
every jackass macedonian policemen there are , at least 10 non-police
jackasses who really hate everything Albanian including you(I'm  sorry to
disappoint you). The only good thing in this situation is that (as you
pointed out), macedonians aren't/weren't as powerful as serbs are/were. They
would've made serbs look like good guys, in comparison. If I had a choice
between "looking bad" and feeling/living bad (as a third rate citizen if
human at all)  I'd always go for a "bad look". Our "looking bad" can be
improved later on, exactly as serbs are doing now. Images are in the heads
and are not real (easier to change) while death, torture, oppression, lack
of bright future,... are very real. You can't undo a 20 years in prison, can
you?
Arianit Celaj

> -----Original Message-----
> From: G.S [mailto:puka at usa.net]
> Sent: 19 March 2001 17:44
> To: Fisnik Ismaili; alb-club at alb-net.com;
> albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu; albanian-uk at alb-net.com;
> nyc-l at alb-net.com; prishtina-e at alb-net.com; prishtina-l at alb-net.com;
> tetova-l at alb-net.com; albsa-info at alb-net.com; puka at usa.net;
> ipanajoti at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's
> Airforce de stroyed]
> 
> 
> -------- Albanian UK --------
> 
> To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
> negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate 
> the Macedonians
> even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). 
> The only thing
> that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful 
> compared to the
> Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
> contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope 
> the war ends
> today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on 
> for extended
> Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on 
> will only make
> us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).
> 
> 
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From arianit at nortelnetworks.com  Tue Mar 20 05:41:58 2001
From: arianit at nortelnetworks.com (Arianit Celaj)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:41:58 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Cka eshte Ira?
Message-ID: <AD35145AF4A8D411BD6702204804F2830248BFC2@zhard00m.europe.nortel.com>

C'ka po thua o Besim,
Une gjithnje kam kujtuar se IRA eshte e Irlandes:)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Besim Gerguri [mailto:besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: 19 March 2001 13:43
> To: lutfi; ira panajoti; G.S
> Cc: alb-club; Albanian Discussion List; albanian-uk; nyc-l; 
> prishtina-e;
> prishtina-l; tetova-l; albsa-info
> Subject: Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of 
> Macedonia's Airforce
> destroyed
> 
> 
> -------- Albanian UK --------
> 
> Ni varijante tjeter e rrezimit te helikopterit makedon osht 
> se u kane me
> dirigjim prej se largu-i lidhun me konop, per mos me hupe. 
> Keshtu qe konopi
> u pshtjell per telat e banderit ,ngat shpise se Osman 
> Sutlijashit ,dhe u
> rrxu. "Shume keq", tash Maqedonise i kane mete vetem edhe dy 
> helikoptera.
> Lutfi, mu ma merr menja se Ira osht shiptare se tregimi 
> (hajgarja)se si ka
> ra helikopteri osht ne shqip-nashta ja ka perkthy najkush.
> 
> Besimi
> 
>
> 
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From Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com  Tue Mar 20 11:09:36 2001
From: Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com (Ahmetaj, Ramis)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:09:36 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Foolishness
Message-ID: <D28C5BE01ECBD41198ED00D0B7E4C9DAB833A5@gsny31e.et.gs.com>

It seems the word "FOOL" has become a middle name of Albanian political
leaders. They can't seem to comprehend the fact that when they issue public
statements urging the UCK soldiers to lay down their arms, as two largest
Albanian parties in Macedonia, they are in fact isolating them. And doing so
allowed Javier Solana to applaud the party leaders and in the same statement
label OUR soldiers as "terrorists".  I can't not comprehend that afetr 10
years in the Balkans and everything that the Albanian people have been
through, the Albanian political "elite" is still showing extremely low level
of political maturity. God bless our fighters.

Ramis Ahmetaj 


From ipilika at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 20 11:41:17 2001
From: ipilika at hotmail.com (Iris Pilika)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:41:17 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
Message-ID: <F218x3AkwtsQztQoPAz000085c1@hotmail.com>

Well, many of us from Albania proper see things in a different perspective.  
Take our experiences at the Greek-Albanian border.  The Greek police can 
have you wait for hours, can decide for no reason (just because you are 
Albanian) that the visa you have is false and refuse to let you through.  If 
you persist, they can tear apart your passport.  Or they can scream at you 
that if you want to touch Greek land, you should go back to Tirana and 
overthrow the government, because he (the Greek) does not like it (this 
being true for the previous government).  If you get a chance to go into 
their office (an official immigration office) you will see a sign in the 
wall saying that Northern Epirus is Greek.  There, you learnt something you 
did not know before, half of your country is not Albanian, but Greek, and it 
holds a name it might have had at the time of Pirro.  If they ask you about 
your religion, which will be the first question, and you happen to be 
Orthodox, then you will learn something else about your identity you did not 
know before, that you too are Greek or put in a more seemingly civilized 
word, Epirote.  And this is probably half of what Albanians really go 
through.

But just so we Albanians "don't look bad", not only will we and our 
government never complain, but we will still welcome these Greeks, look at 
them as role models, and let them do whatever they want in our country.  If 
they want to fill our churches with Greek inscriptions, we won't complain, 
we'll just learn Greek, even though that wouldn't take us anywhere.  We will 
do every effort in our part not to look bad, because we value tolerance, and 
that's why we are better, no, I'm sorry, more "civilized", than those 
Albanians in Kosova or Macedonia, who don't stop talking about some kind of 
human rights.  Did someone say we have a deep inferiority complex?  No, we 
are just tolerant and civilized.  It's wonder how we have not become part of 
the EU yet, because the French and the Germans still hold grudges from World 
War II.  We better give them some lessons from what the Greeks have taught 
us about democracy and tolerance, especially in this era of globalization.


>From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at alb-net.com>
>To: "nyc-l at alb-net.com" <nyc-l at alb-net.com>
>CC: Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>,   
>"albanian-uk at alb-net.com" <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>,   
>"prishtina-l at alb-net.com" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>,   
>"tetova-l at alb-net.com" <tetova-l at alb-net.com>,   "albsa-info at alb-net.com" 
><albsa-info at alb-net.com>,   "puka at usa.net" <puka at usa.net>
>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of 
>Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:53:27 -0500 (EST)
>
>-------- Albanian UK --------
>
>Did any of you wait in the Kosova/Macedonia border for over 6/7 hour while
>the jackass macedonian official played around with you and your
>passport just because you were albanian?
>
>
>
>On 19 Mar 2001, G.S wrote:
>
> >           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
> >
> > To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
> > negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate the 
>Macedonians
> > even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). The only 
>thing
> > that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful compared to 
>the
> > Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
> > contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope the war 
>ends
> > today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on for 
>extended
> > Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on will only 
>make
> > us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).
> >
> > >That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
> > >written.
> >
> > >Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or 
> >does
> > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> >
> > >Easy with the accusations...
> >
> > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > > ---------
> > > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
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> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
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> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From xhevat.meha at kpmg.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 14:22:49 2001
From: xhevat.meha at kpmg.co.uk (Meha, Xhevat)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:22:49 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Vlera Shqiptare
Message-ID: <61F661FFB482D211AFFF0008C7A40D7D0A5A83EC@ukssqexc02.uk.kpmg.com>

Jam ma teper se i kenaqur me kesi lloj shkrime. Kontributi i tyre ne
thesarin e njohjes sime ne lidhje me sistemin e vlerave ne shoqerine
shqiptare eshte i pa mateshem. Vlera e tyre eshte aqe e lart sa sdi si t'i
pershkruaj. I kam pase disa njohuri mbi vlerat e internaciaonalizmit
shqiptar te nderkombtarizuar por keto shtjellimet e fundit me bejne te
kuptoj sa pak paskam ditur.

Xhevat Meha

-----Original Message-----
From: Iris Pilika [mailto:ipilika at hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:41 PM
To: dardan at alb-net.com; nyc-l at alb-net.com
Cc: Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com; albanian-uk at alb-net.com;
prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com; albsa-info at alb-net.com;
puka at usa.net
Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]


-------- Albanian UK --------

Well, many of us from Albania proper see things in a different perspective.

Take our experiences at the Greek-Albanian border.  The Greek police can 
have you wait for hours, can decide for no reason (just because you are 
Albanian) that the visa you have is false and refuse to let you through.  If

you persist, they can tear apart your passport.  Or they can scream at you 
that if you want to touch Greek land, you should go back to Tirana and 
overthrow the government, because he (the Greek) does not like it (this 
being true for the previous government).  If you get a chance to go into 
their office (an official immigration office) you will see a sign in the 
wall saying that Northern Epirus is Greek.  There, you learnt something you 
did not know before, half of your country is not Albanian, but Greek, and it

holds a name it might have had at the time of Pirro.  If they ask you about 
your religion, which will be the first question, and you happen to be 
Orthodox, then you will learn something else about your identity you did not

know before, that you too are Greek or put in a more seemingly civilized 
word, Epirote.  And this is probably half of what Albanians really go 
through.

But just so we Albanians "don't look bad", not only will we and our 
government never complain, but we will still welcome these Greeks, look at 
them as role models, and let them do whatever they want in our country.  If 
they want to fill our churches with Greek inscriptions, we won't complain, 
we'll just learn Greek, even though that wouldn't take us anywhere.  We will

do every effort in our part not to look bad, because we value tolerance, and

that's why we are better, no, I'm sorry, more "civilized", than those 
Albanians in Kosova or Macedonia, who don't stop talking about some kind of 
human rights.  Did someone say we have a deep inferiority complex?  No, we 
are just tolerant and civilized.  It's wonder how we have not become part of

the EU yet, because the French and the Germans still hold grudges from World

War II.  We better give them some lessons from what the Greeks have taught 
us about democracy and tolerance, especially in this era of globalization.


>From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at alb-net.com>
>To: "nyc-l at alb-net.com" <nyc-l at alb-net.com>
>CC: Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>,   
>"albanian-uk at alb-net.com" <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>,   
>"prishtina-l at alb-net.com" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>,   
>"tetova-l at alb-net.com" <tetova-l at alb-net.com>,   "albsa-info at alb-net.com" 
><albsa-info at alb-net.com>,   "puka at usa.net" <puka at usa.net>
>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of 
>Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
>Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:53:27 -0500 (EST)
>
>-------- Albanian UK --------
>
>Did any of you wait in the Kosova/Macedonia border for over 6/7 hour while
>the jackass macedonian official played around with you and your
>passport just because you were albanian?
>
>
>
>On 19 Mar 2001, G.S wrote:
>
> >           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
> >
> > To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
> > negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate the 
>Macedonians
> > even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). The only 
>thing
> > that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful compared to 
>the
> > Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
> > contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope the war 
>ends
> > today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on for 
>extended
> > Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on will only 
>make
> > us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).
> >
> > >That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
> > >written.
> >
> > >Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or 
> >does
> > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> >
> > >Easy with the accusations...
> >
> > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > > ---------
> > > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > > ---------
> > > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 14:45:32 2001
From: saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saimir=20Celo?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:45:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed
In-Reply-To: <198F9D15E0A8D411BAD500508BB330D5106F72@CUBEMAIL01>
Message-ID: <20010320194532.28749.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>

Jam dakort 100% me Fisnikun e do thoja se nuk e di si
e perkufizon shqiptarine Ira po shqiptarizem i
shumices nuk eshte. 

Te me kuptosh Ira, nuk me vjen per te qeshur qe vdiq
nje njeri por edhe per te qare nuk qaj se ky njeriu
ishte ne nje helikopter ushtarak e keta te fundit si
rregull e pergjithshme nuk i sherbejne paqes,
perkundrazi.

Nese nuk te dhemb per shqipetaret e Maqedonise atehere
ajo eshte tjeter pune por ata nuk jane asnje gram me
pak shqiptare se ne dhe nuk kane pse te bien dakort me
asnje gram liri me pak se ne shqipetaret e Shqiperise.

Nje verejtje edhe per Besnik Gergurin:

E para punes flit shqip o bure i dheut se anglishten
se kuptojme  te gjithe.

E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?

Pershendetje te gjitheve

Saimiri




--- Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>
wrote: > -------- Albanian UK --------
> 
> That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text
> the poor guy has
> written.
> 
> Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a
> sense of humour or does
> that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> 
> Easy with the accusations...
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com
> <mailto:ipanajoti at yahoo.com>>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:34 AM
> Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> Macedonia's Airforce
> destroyed
> 
> 
> > -------- Albanian UK --------
> >
> > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > shame because they put a bad name for all
> Albanians!
> > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny
> that
> > the shedding of blood of either Albanians,
> Macedonians
> > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The
> author
> > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a
> sense
> > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> wrote:
> > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > ---------
> > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > >
> > >
> > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> para
> > > se me dal...
> > >
> > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> crashed
> > > near the scene of the
> > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > sources said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> wrote:
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> > >
> > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> para
> > > se me dal...
> > >
> > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> crashed
> > > near the scene of the
> > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > sources said.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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From saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 15:07:44 2001
From: saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saimir=20Celo?=)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:07:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
In-Reply-To: <F218x3AkwtsQztQoPAz000085c1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20010320200744.24453.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com>

Jam dakort 100% me Fisnikun e do thoja se nuk e di si
e perkufizon shqiptarine Ira po shqiptarizem i
shumices nuk eshte. 

Te me kuptosh Ira, nuk me vjen per te qeshur qe vdiq
nje njeri por edhe per te qare nuk qaj se ky njeriu
ishte ne nje helikopter ushtarak e keta te fundit si
rregull e pergjithshme nuk i sherbejne paqes,
perkundrazi.

Nese nuk te dhemb per shqipetaret e Maqedonise atehere
ajo eshte tjeter pune por ata nuk jane asnje gram me
pak shqiptare se ne dhe nuk kane pse te bien dakort me
asnje gram liri me pak se ne shqipetaret e Shqiperise.

Nje verejtje edhe per Besnik Gergurin:

E para punes flit shqip o bure i dheut se anglishten
se kuptojme  te gjithe.

E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?

Iris, ai krahasimi i situates ne Maqedoni me ate ne
Greqi, hmmm si ta them, ne letersi do te te kishte
ngelur ne klase. Nje gje duhet ta shtoj, mund te kete
shume aresye pse i durojme firollaket (Greket per ata
qe se dine) po asnje prej tyre s'ka te beje me
tolerancen. Eshte fatkeqesi te fillosh te gjesh
ndryshime mes nesh e pjeses tjeter te shqipetareve. 

Ps:"Te pakten tani e dime pse nuk jemi anetare te
evropes".

Pershendetje te gjitheve

Saimiri












--- Iris Pilika <ipilika at hotmail.com> wrote: >
-------- Albanian UK --------
> 
> Well, many of us from Albania proper see things in a
> different perspective.  
> Take our experiences at the Greek-Albanian border. 
> The Greek police can 
> have you wait for hours, can decide for no reason
> (just because you are 
> Albanian) that the visa you have is false and refuse
> to let you through.  If 
> you persist, they can tear apart your passport.  Or
> they can scream at you 
> that if you want to touch Greek land, you should go
> back to Tirana and 
> overthrow the government, because he (the Greek)
> does not like it (this 
> being true for the previous government).  If you get
> a chance to go into 
> their office (an official immigration office) you
> will see a sign in the 
> wall saying that Northern Epirus is Greek.  There,
> you learnt something you 
> did not know before, half of your country is not
> Albanian, but Greek, and it 
> holds a name it might have had at the time of Pirro.
>  If they ask you about 
> your religion, which will be the first question, and
> you happen to be 
> Orthodox, then you will learn something else about
> your identity you did not 
> know before, that you too are Greek or put in a more
> seemingly civilized 
> word, Epirote.  And this is probably half of what
> Albanians really go 
> through.
> 
> But just so we Albanians "don't look bad", not only
> will we and our 
> government never complain, but we will still welcome
> these Greeks, look at 
> them as role models, and let them do whatever they
> want in our country.  If 
> they want to fill our churches with Greek
> inscriptions, we won't complain, 
> we'll just learn Greek, even though that wouldn't
> take us anywhere.  We will 
> do every effort in our part not to look bad, because
> we value tolerance, and 
> that's why we are better, no, I'm sorry, more
> "civilized", than those 
> Albanians in Kosova or Macedonia, who don't stop
> talking about some kind of 
> human rights.  Did someone say we have a deep
> inferiority complex?  No, we 
> are just tolerant and civilized.  It's wonder how we
> have not become part of 
> the EU yet, because the French and the Germans still
> hold grudges from World 
> War II.  We better give them some lessons from what
> the Greeks have taught 
> us about democracy and tolerance, especially in this
> era of globalization.


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From besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 19:41:01 2001
From: besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk (Besim Gerguri)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:41:01 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed
References: <20010320194532.28749.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004a01c0b19f$a2092a80$02000003@oemcomputer>

Samir,
quhem Besim e jo Besnik. Me siguri m'ke perzi me dike tjeter se une nuk kam
shkruejt anglisht. Krejt email-at e mi jane shqip.
Kur kam thane: "Lutfi, mu ma merr menja se Ira osht shiptare se tregimi
(hajgarja)se si ka
ra helikopteri osht ne shqip-nashta ja ka perkthy najkush", nuk e kam dite
se cfare kombi i takon Ira, se ajo ka shkrue n'anglisht, per arsye te cilen
nuk po muj me e kuptu. Ndoshta ka pase qellim  me na tregu se din me fole
gjuhe te huja, apo me u paraqite internacionaliste e kunder dhunes para
anetareve te listes qe nuk flasin shqip.

Besim Gerguri


----- Original Message -----
From: "Saimir Celo" <saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Fisnik Ismaili" <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>; <alb-club at alb-net.com>;
<albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>; <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>;
<nyc-l at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>;
<tetova-l at alb-net.com>; <albsa-info at alb-net.com>; <puka at usa.net>;
<ipanajoti at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
stroyed


> -------- Albanian UK --------
>
> Jam dakort 100% me Fisnikun e do thoja se nuk e di si
> e perkufizon shqiptarine Ira po shqiptarizem i
> shumices nuk eshte.
>
> Te me kuptosh Ira, nuk me vjen per te qeshur qe vdiq
> nje njeri por edhe per te qare nuk qaj se ky njeriu
> ishte ne nje helikopter ushtarak e keta te fundit si
> rregull e pergjithshme nuk i sherbejne paqes,
> perkundrazi.
>
> Nese nuk te dhemb per shqipetaret e Maqedonise atehere
> ajo eshte tjeter pune por ata nuk jane asnje gram me
> pak shqiptare se ne dhe nuk kane pse te bien dakort me
> asnje gram liri me pak se ne shqipetaret e Shqiperise.
>
> Nje verejtje edhe per Besnik Gergurin:
>
> E para punes flit shqip o bure i dheut se anglishten
> se kuptojme  te gjithe.
>
> E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
> shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?
>
> Pershendetje te gjitheve
>
> Saimiri
>
>
>
>
> --- Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>
> wrote: > -------- Albanian UK --------
> >
> > That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text
> > the poor guy has
> > written.
> >
> > Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a
> > sense of humour or does
> > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> >
> > Easy with the accusations...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:ipanajoti at yahoo.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:34 AM
> > Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> > Macedonia's Airforce
> > destroyed
> >
> >
> > > -------- Albanian UK --------
> > >
> > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > shame because they put a bad name for all
> > Albanians!
> > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny
> > that
> > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians,
> > Macedonians
> > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The
> > author
> > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a
> > sense
> > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > > ---------
> > > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > wrote:
> > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
> > > > ---------
> > > > - ALBSA Web Site:
> > > > <http://www.albstudent.org> -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________
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From lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 20:19:32 2001
From: lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk (Lutfi Mjekiqi)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:19:32 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] RE: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed
In-Reply-To: <20010320194532.28749.qmail@web4006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBIABACDEFPHELBEPHOECFCBAA.lutfi@mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>

A nuk mundet njeriu te supozoje se cfare kombesie tjetri i takon pa
prejudikuar kombesine e vet?
P.sh. nese une them se besoj se Besimi eshte Finlandez, kjo nuk prejudikon
faktin se une jam apo jo Finlandez- s'ka te beje fare me ate se cfare jam
une.

>E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
>shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?



From dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 21 13:15:49 2001
From: dorin.gheciu at sympatico.ca (Dorin Gheciu)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 12:15:49 -0600
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
References: <000401bd5673$d65a1ea0$35c2dc3e@nic.mpt.com.mk>
Message-ID: <002001c0b232$f6036360$650aa8c0@sympatico.ca>

Dear Sasko,

I believe there are not many Slav Macedonians living in Albania. However, you are right, Albanians do enjoy some political rights in Macedonia, and the Macedonian administration has treated the Albanians better than the Serbs did. However, there is still inequity in Macedonia regarding the Albanians. Many foreign, impartial observers have noticed that there is a rather crass job discrimination against them, and they do not receive a proportionate share of government services. Also, Albanian language should be an official language in Macedonia, due to the very large proportion of Albanians. The government should fund an Albanian-speaking University, the same way it funds the Macedonian-speaking Universities, since Albanians also pay taxes. Albanians should enjoy the same rights as sizeable minorities in all civilized countries, for instance the French-speaking Canadians, Swiss or Belgians. Treating minorities fairly and with the utmost respect has not led to the disintegration of those countries. On the contrary, it is the main reason for their prosperity and social peace. 

In spite of this, I don't believe there is deliberate, malevolent persecution of Albanians in Macedonia (like it used to be in Kosova). It is more a case of nepotism: in a poor country, people tend to take care first of their relatives and friends. Also, there is unjustified fear about the disintegration of  Macedonia. Actually, Albania and Albanians have a vested interest in the survival of Macedonia. The two peoples should be natural allies: both have suffered a lot in the past. They have  been victims of the most brutal persecution from their rapacious neighbors, like Greece and others. 

In fact, I am sure that the Macedonians will end up granting the Albanians their legitimate, minority rights, and Macedonia will prosper. Additionally, Macedonia will have no better friend and supporter than Albania. Unlike other Balkan nations, Albanians are not inclined towards occupying and oppressing other peoples.

Yours sincerely,
D.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sasko Karakulev 

  Hi my dear frinds

  I'm apologise for my comment but I'll say, PLEASE DONT BE BLIND !!!
  Here are three facts

  1. Macedonia have 17 sectors in goverment, in those 17 five of ministers are Albanines, minister of justice, minister od Economy 
  minister of Works and social politics, etc, etc... Also alabnies have 7 vice ministers in goverment.
  Where in the world is same as here. Please tell me how much Macedonian ministers  had Albanien gouverment?? No one !!
  it is the thruth. It is very very sorrow for You my dears.
  2  Few mounth ago was the election in the Macedonian parliament for president of parliament. In those elections
  was proposed Mr. Haliti from PDP "Also where in the world the situations is the same." Tha fact that Haliti is not the
  president of Macedonian parliament is that alabninas from PDSH in parliement voted against Haliti. It is the truth my sorrow dear.
  Please tell me, is possoble someone from Macedonian hwo lives in Albania to be president of albanian parliament.???
  Ha Ha HA I'm sure taht You think and will say never never never.
  3 As the situatin going on, the situation is worsed in Monetenegro also the problem are You my dear. 
  The world finaly can not understand how only the Alabanian people cant live with none around him.
  It is possible to for example for me to hate someone but to hate everything around me then the problem is inside me.

  Now the situation in Maceedonia is the beeg shame for us Alabaniens people so please be patient and give peace a chance, every
  problem need to be soved trough the institution of system. I dont like to give my brother live or my live for someone hwo work
  on the black market and now fight for his own interest.


  Sali 
  Macedonia


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From albert_hyseni at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 21 17:24:18 2001
From: albert_hyseni at hotmail.com (Albert Hyseni)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:24:18 
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Albanian-UK] People please
Message-ID: <F35bB5Rw1SSfWXWzRPT000029eb@hotmail.com>

Dear Sasko,

First things first. Your English is extremely poor. Do not use it in future 
if you want to be understood. This is not supposed to be an insult. It is 
rather a valuable advice.

Now back to your e-mail. Those that you dare to call facts are blunt 
speculations of your government. Albanian ministers in the FYRM government 
are there just to make up the numbers (as it were) and more importantly to 
reflect the minimum possible percentage of Albanian voters. Let's be frank, 
they don't have any executive powers in the government. They are puppets.

I am not quite sure what you mean but it seams to me that you are trying to 
imply that there is no government in the world that has government sectors 
run by people whose ethnic origin is different to that of the majority 
population of the country.

I don't agree with you. In a multi-ethnic democracy (and I believe you claim 
that FYRM is democratic) government sectors should be proportionally divided 
amongst ethnic groups that make up the total population of the country. This 
is not and has never been the case in FYRM. I think there should be at least 
6 Albanian ministers in the government of FYRM.

I agree that there aren't any Macedonian ministers in either Albanian or 
Kosovan governments. The reason is rather simple - there are fewer that 0.1% 
Macedonians living in Albania and Kosova together. Whereas there are more 
700,000 Albanians (accounted for) that live in FYRM.

I can not come to terms with your shortsightness. It is not Albanians that 
can not live with others. We have proved many times in the past that we want 
to live with others but be equal to all others. What we don't want is to be 
treated like second class citizens. Even during the communism we were 
treated as second class citizens in Kosova, Montenegro, Serbia proper and 
Macedonia (although in Macedonian case we were probably third class 
citizens).

I do not wish to dwell any more on this subject because it is rather 
difficult to be reasonable with someone that has ignorance as an attribute. 
I will only tell you this. The current conflict in your country could have 
been avoided. Your government chose to ignore legitimate requests of 1/3 of 
its population for a very long time. Until these legitimate requests are not 
met, I am afraid your police officers and soldiers will continue to die 
because of the ignorance of your government. I fear that if your government 
doesn't decide to resolve this peacefully you might end up without a country 
in a very near future.

Best wishes,
Albert


>From: "Sasko Karakulev" <skarak at mt.net.mk>
>To: <alb-club at alb-net.com>, <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>,   
><albanian-uk at alb-net.com>, <nyc-l at alb-net.com>, <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>,  
>  <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>, <tetova-l at alb-net.com>, 
><albsa-info at alb-net.com>,   <puka at usa.net>, <ipanajoti at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Albanian-UK] People please
>Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:52:11 +0100
>
>Hi my dear frinds
>
>I'm apologise for my comment but I'll say, PLEASE DONT BE BLIND !!!
>Here are three facts
>
>1. Macedonia have 17 sectors in goverment, in those 17 five of ministers 
>are Albanines, minister of justice, minister od Economy
>minister of Works and social politics, etc, etc... Also alabnies have 7 
>vice ministers in goverment.
>Where in the world is same as here. Please tell me how much Macedonian 
>ministers  had Albanien gouverment?? No one !!
>it is the thruth. It is very very sorrow for You my dears.
>2  Few mounth ago was the election in the Macedonian parliament for 
>president of parliament. In those elections
>was proposed Mr. Haliti from PDP "Also where in the world the situations is 
>the same." Tha fact that Haliti is not the
>president of Macedonian parliament is that alabninas from PDSH in 
>parliement voted against Haliti. It is the truth my sorrow dear.
>Please tell me, is possoble someone from Macedonian hwo lives in Albania to 
>be president of albanian parliament.???
>Ha Ha HA I'm sure taht You think and will say never never never.
>3 As the situatin going on, the situation is worsed in Monetenegro also the 
>problem are You my dear.
>The world finaly can not understand how only the Alabanian people cant live 
>with none around him.
>It is possible to for example for me to hate someone but to hate everything 
>around me then the problem is inside me.
>
>Now the situation in Maceedonia is the beeg shame for us Alabaniens people 
>so please be patient and give peace a chance, every
>problem need to be soved trough the institution of system. I dont like to 
>give my brother live or my live for someone hwo work
>on the black market and now fight for his own interest.
>
>
>Sali
>Macedonia
>
>

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From kbejko at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 21 17:14:36 2001
From: kbejko at hotmail.com (Kreshnik Bejko)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:14:36 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Alb-Club] Re: [Albanian-UK] People please
Message-ID: <F62xOjIL2jpWkfb81If000010c1@hotmail.com>

Ok, it's about time to stop attacking these people based
on who they feel they are. If a Macedonian feels Macedonian that's his/her 
business. If a Macedonian tramples on the Albanians' right THEN it is our 
business. Time has come to put our heads together and figure out a way for a 
brighter future for all Albanians now that changes in Kosova,and Macedonia 
seem inevitable, and Albanian politics is more fractured then ever in all of 
the Albanian entities in the Balkans. Time has come to end
parochialism and look forward to a great future in Europe
(which, incidentally, in our folk tradition is referred to as The Old 
Whore).





>From: "Valon Hamiti" <valon_hamiti at hotmail.com>
>Hi Sasko,

I'm afraid that these facts presented by you don't make any sense at all.  
I've been may times in so called Macedonia,  I'm saying this because the 
name of this Balkanic state is not defined as is is called FYROM, this means 
the there is not at all macedonian people, but you must admit that you are 
just a sllav, maybe of bulgarian or serbian origin, and "macedonian 
language" as far as I understand is just a combination between serb and 
bulgarian words that make up sentences, that match enough to communicate 
properly, thus they make up "macedonian" language. So after all your 
natiaonal identity as  is uncertain.


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From besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 19:58:41 2001
From: besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk (Besim Gerguri)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:58:41 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
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Message-ID: <004401c0b26b$4fc92140$02000003@oemcomputer>

Sasko,

A i ke pi ilaqet!!!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sasko Karakulev 
  To: alb-club at alb-net.com ; albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu ; albanian-uk at alb-net.com ; nyc-l at alb-net.com ; prishtina-e at alb-net.com ; prishtina-l at alb-net.com ; tetova-l at alb-net.com ; albsa-info at alb-net.com ; puka at usa.net ; ipanajoti at yahoo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 23, 1998 3:52 PM
  Subject: [Alb-Club] People please


  Hi my dear frinds

  I'm apologise for my comment but I'll say, PLEASE DONT BE BLIND !!!
  Here are three facts

  1. Macedonia have 17 sectors in goverment, in those 17 five of ministers are Albanines, minister of justice, minister od Economy 
  minister of Works and social politics, etc, etc... Also alabnies have 7 vice ministers in goverment.
  Where in the world is same as here. Please tell me how much Macedonian ministers  had Albanien gouverment?? No one !!
  it is the thruth. It is very very sorrow for You my dears.
  2  Few mounth ago was the election in the Macedonian parliament for president of parliament. In those elections
  was proposed Mr. Haliti from PDP "Also where in the world the situations is the same." Tha fact that Haliti is not the
  president of Macedonian parliament is that alabninas from PDSH in parliement voted against Haliti. It is the truth my sorrow dear.
  Please tell me, is possoble someone from Macedonian hwo lives in Albania to be president of albanian parliament.???
  Ha Ha HA I'm sure taht You think and will say never never never.
  3 As the situatin going on, the situation is worsed in Monetenegro also the problem are You my dear. 
  The world finaly can not understand how only the Alabanian people cant live with none around him.
  It is possible to for example for me to hate someone but to hate everything around me then the problem is inside me.

  Now the situation in Maceedonia is the beeg shame for us Alabaniens people so please be patient and give peace a chance, every
  problem need to be soved trough the institution of system. I dont like to give my brother live or my live for someone hwo work
  on the black market and now fight for his own interest.


  Sali 
  Macedonia


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From begra at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 04:55:49 2001
From: begra at yahoo.com (Besnik)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:55:49 -0000
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
References: <000401bd5673$d65a1ea0$35c2dc3e@nic.mpt.com.mk> <002001c0b232$f6036360$650aa8c0@sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <006701c0b2b6$47eed3c0$20549284@dhcp.msn.bt.co.uk>

Dear Dorin,

I generally like your postings and believe that you are trying to be very objective when putting your arguments forward, I commend you for this. It is because of this that I am responding to your posting, which I think is generally correct with the exception of the following.

"...In spite of this, I don't believe there is deliberate, malevolent persecution of Albanians in Macedonia (like it used to be in Kosova). It is more a case of nepotism: in a poor country, people tend to take care first of their relatives and friends..."

This is not as simple as you are portraying it here. Your statement is true to a degree, but you can not rule out completely the deliberate persecution. The reasons behind this deliberate and coordinated persecuting against Albanians I believe is the result of deeply rooted albanofobia. Add to this the racism (most Macedonians believe that they are better nation than Albanians, sentiment shared with the Serbs) and it explains a lot in official Macedonian behaviour towards Albanians.

To illustrate what am I saying I will ask anyone to recall the treatment Kosovar Albanian refugees received from the Macedonian border guards and the police. 

However having been, albeit very briefly, to Macedonia couple of times last year, I must say that Macedonians have moved in positive direction in their attitude towards Albanians. But the speed and the breadth of this movement is obviously not satisfactorily for Albanians who live in Macedonia. And who can be a better judge of this than the Albanians who live daily under that regime.

While your above paragraph can be a matter of opinion, that can not be said for the following one, which is what really prompted me to reply.

"...In fact, I am sure that the Macedonians will end up granting the Albanians their legitimate, minority rights, and Macedonia will prosper..."

If you have followed what is going on in Macedonia, you should have noticed that this is one of the crucial elements of Albanians discontent. They are not a minority in Macedonia, when an ethnic group constitutes over 30% of the population it is not a minority any more. That is why they are asking that Macedonian constitution should be change to state that Macedonia is a state of all its citizens and not only Macedonian speaking population. 

Albanians is Macedonia are not asking for a minority rights, they are asking for the rights that every Macedonian citizen is entitled to. 

I do not wish to elaborate any further because I believe that you understand most of the issues, I just wanted to draw your attention to this very important oversight.

best regards

Besnik





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From: Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com (Ahmetaj, Ramis)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:13:40 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Until when?
Message-ID: <D28C5BE01ECBD41198ED00D0B7E4C9DAB833AF@gsny31e.et.gs.com>

Check out the picture. Does it look familiar?  You know, I am tired of
seeing pictures of dead Albanians, and resent the fact that European
diplomats ask us to refrain from violence, and condemn our fighters.  Europe
can go to hell, once and for all we actually have the chance to figure it
out that The Old Whore, does not want us.

Ramis Ahmetaj

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From Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com  Thu Mar 22 16:36:44 2001
From: Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com (Ahmetaj, Ramis)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 16:36:44 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Russia Welcome
Message-ID: <D28C5BE01ECBD41198ED00D0B7E4C9DAB833B4@gsny31e.et.gs.com>

I think you will find the article below funny.  I do.  It seems that Russia
has repaired all its own problems, and has found the resources to send
troops to fight in the Balkans.  Go figure.


Putin to use force in Macedonia?
Russia: NATO has turned Kosovo into 'a breeding ground of terrorism'

By Toby Westerman
? 2001 WorldNetDaily.com 

Warning that the military clashes occurring in the small Balkan nation of
Macedonia could "spill over ... into the rest of the Balkan Peninsula,"
Russian President Vladimir Putin sent a letter of support to Yugoslav
President Vojislav Kostunica, promising diplomatic and military cooperation.


Putin's letter was delivered by Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov, who is
currently visiting heads of state in the Balkans, the area of the world
known as the "powder keg of Europe."   Putin declared that "decisive
political action -- and, if necessary, the use of force" can avert a wider
Balkan war. He also said that Russia would be willing to join "Europe and
the United States in diplomatic -- and possibly military -- efforts" to end
the crisis in the region. 

Putin's remarks were carried by the Voice of Russia World Service, the
official broadcasting service of the Russian government.  On Monday, Ivanov
blamed NATO for the present instability in the region, stating that NATO had
turned Kosovo -- the nominally Yugoslav province which it has occupied since
the end of the 1999 air war -- "into a breeding ground of terrorism." 

New Talibans 
The prime minister of the Republic of Macedonia, Ljubco Georgievski, whose
second largest city is currently under attack by ethnic Albanian
separatists, declared in a recent press interview that the current round of
bloodshed in the Balkans is part of an "organized and long-planned
aggression."   

The ethnic Albanian guerrilla forces operating in Macedonia refer to
themselves as the National Liberation Army. Their numbers are estimated to
range from 500 to 2,000 fighters.  Many observers consider the fighters in
Macedonia to be linked to separatists in Kosovo and the south of Serbia, who
are bound in a common struggle for the eventual goal of a "Greater Albania."
The National Liberation Army's source of support is Kosovo, according to
Georgievski.  "Logistics, commanders, organization comes from Kosovo," he
said. Georgievski also claimed that former Kosovo Liberation Army personnel
are now engaged in the fighting in Macedonia.  Georgievski's remarks were
reported by Radio Bulgaria International, the official broadcasting service
of the Bulgarian government. 
While acknowledging NATO's political support for the government of
Macedonia, Georgievski echoed Ivanov's criticism of the alliance. 
"We want them [NATO] to clearly admit" that the current struggle in
Macedonia is an "overflowing of the Kosovo crisis."  "The international
community hesitates to admit that fact," Georgievski stated, "because it
would mean ... its policy has failed."   Georgievski also raised the specter
that past support of the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo has had the unintended
effect of establishing an Islamic fundamentalist, Taliban-like presence
close to the heart of Europe. 

NATO and the international community, according to Georgievski, have been
"fighting only to create a new type of Taliban. Western democracies created
new Talibans, and that ... [will] become one of Europe's future problems."
Negotiations are out of the question, according to Georgievski, stating that
his nation has "only one will -- terrorism to be destroyed once and for
all."  The regional powers of Greece and Bulgaria have already provided
military hardware to Macedonia. As to the use of foreign troops in the
conflict, Georgievski stated that he did not believe that Macedonia
presently needed foreign soldiers. He did acknowledge that if his nation did
require such aid, troops should be supplied from the international community
as a whole, not from an individual country. 

The probability of NATO or the international community coming to Macedonia's
aid with troops is, at present, slight. Both the EU and NATO are loath to
intervene in the Macedonian struggle, and there is even disagreement as to
the analysis of the strength of the ethnic Albanian forces in Macedonia.
According to the Radio Bulgaria report, U.N. special envoy for the Balkans
Carl Bildt expressed disagreement with NATO Secretary General George
Robertson over the numbers and organizational structure of the separatists.
While Robertson sees the separatists in Macedonia as a small, relatively
isolated group, Bildt warns of a "fairly well-organized" force that controls
"an entire region" of Macedonia.  Bildt also observed that Macedonia's army
is "badly armed," and heavily dependent upon the Albanian minority for
manpower. Approximately 40 percent of the Macedonian army is comprised of
ethnic Albanians. 






From eb246 at columbia.edu  Sat Mar 24 02:31:47 2001
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 02:31:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] The fate of the Albanians
In-Reply-To: <F4603u9PH3IhA1qfT7e00008644@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10103240231440.28037-100000@ciao.cc.columbia.edu>


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From SimonVukel at aol.com  Sat Mar 24 11:17:27 2001
From: SimonVukel at aol.com (SimonVukel at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:17:27 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Until when?
Message-ID: <74.8d7d86a.27ee2297@aol.com>

In a message dated 3/24/01 2:08:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Ramis.Ahmetaj at gs.com writes:


> Europe
> can go to hell, once and for all we actually have the chance to figure it
> out that The Old Whore, does not want us.
> 
> 

Attitudes like this are precisely the reason why Albanians have absolutely no 
signifigance in world affairs.  Albania told the whole world to go to hell 
for that matter for 50 years, and we see how far that got them.  The above 
attitude is extremely wrongheaded.

Listen people.  It is extremely frustrating that the Albanian cause in 
Macedonia has been misrepresented. And if we are going to call names let's do 
it right at Albania's and Kosova's own leaders who have placed their own 
personal political and economic survival over that of the Albanians in 
Macedonia.  But it is far more productive to spend our time educating 
everybody about what is going on in Macedonia, and to stop calling people 
names.  Especially the people who supported us (i.e. NATO which inclides 
Europe and the US).  The NATO nations don't always get it right when it comes 
to the Balkans, but fact is that they came to the Albanians' defense in 
Kosova.  We should be grateful for this, and grateful for the troops they 
have placed in the region.

It is very easy to criticize, and much harder to be constructive.   World 
opinion has taken the Macedonian side.  Really, we have no one else but 
ourselves to blame.  So let's start doing something about it, and leave the 
name-calling and cry-babying for another day.  

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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 25 04:38:21 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 04:38:21 
Subject: [NYC-L] A Macedonian says:Let's give the same rights we have to Alb.
Message-ID: <F1813eEHJtfob7bOsPT0000607f@hotmail.com>


There are Macedonians that do understand and say where the problem/solution 
is.

This text was taken from "talking pint" at yahoo.
________________________________________
Why can we Macedonians not understand that it is the human right of everyone 
to enjoy his life? Let's give Albanians in Macedonia the same rights as we 
have and the conflict will end. Dialogue and understanding may allow us to 
live together.
Goran, Skopje, Macedonia
________________________________________


Regards,

Imer



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From mentor at alb-net.com  Mon Mar 26 16:02:11 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:02:11 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Kumtesa: Demonstrate per lirine e shqiptareve ne Maqedoni
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103261556480.2366-100000@alb-net.com>

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	Kumtese: Demonstrat? p?r lirin? e shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni

Njoftohet gjith? komunitetit Shqiptar I Amerik?s dhe Kanadas? se m? dat?n 2
prill (e h?n?) 2001 n? ora 10 e 30 minuta t? m?ngjesit do t? mbahet nj?
demonstrat? e fuqishme para Kombeve t? Bashkuara (47 rruga, Avenu e Par?).
Demonstrat?n e organizon Fondi "Liria Komb?tare" n? bashkpunim me
komunitetin Shqiptar n? SHBA dhe Kanada.

	Vendi: Para Kombeve t? Bashkuara (47 rruga, Avenu e Par?)
	Dita:  E Hene, 2 Prill, 2001
	Koha:  10:30AM

Ftohen t? gjith? bashkatdhetar?t,p?rfaqsuesit e institucioneve fetare,
partive e shoqatave,organizatave e fondacioneve t? marrin pjes? n? k?t?
demonstrate paq?sore p?r t? ngritur z?rin e protest?s ndaj shkeljes s?
t? drejtave t? shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni.

Koha nuk pret ! ?sht? momenti historik q? Shqiptar?t t? fitojn? t? drejtat
e tyre t? mohuara nga pushteti maqedon.?sht? momenti q? t? gjith?
shqiptar?t t? p?rkrahin luft?n e shqiptar?ve p?r liri e demokraci.

Stop terrorit maqedon ndaj shqiptar?ve.Stop aksioneve t? ushtris? e
policies maqedonasendaj shqiptar?ve.

Shqiptar?t e Maqedosnis? duan lirin? e plot? komb?tare mbrenda kufirit te
shtetit t? Maqedonis?.

Kjo ?sht? e drejta jon? hynore dhe natyrore dhe k?t? t? drejt? nuk ka fuqi
q? t? na e mohoj? askush n? bot?.

I b?jm? thirrje bashk?sis? q? t? gjykoj? politik?n antishqiptare t?
pushtetit maqedon.

T? gjith? n? demonstrat? p?r lirin? e shqiptar?ve n? Maqedoni.
T? h?n?n, m? 2 prill 2001.

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From mentor at alb-net.com  Tue Mar 27 12:10:58 2001
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:10:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Press-Release: Protest for the freedom of Albanians in Macedonia
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103271209250.25106-100000@alb-net.com>

Please pass this arround...

---------- Forwarded message ----------

		National Freedom Fund in the United States
		Tel: (973) 523-9203    (718) 881-7777

	Protest for the freedom of Albanians in Macedonia

At this time we call on the Albanian community in both the United States
and Canada to partake in a protest set for 10:30 am Monday April 2, 2001 in
front of the United Nations (47 St. and 1st Ave) and later on the steps of
the Macedonian Mission to the United Nations (866 48th St.). The protest is
being organized by the Humanitarian Foundation "National Freedom" (Fondi
Liria Kombetare) incorporation with the Albanian Community in the United
States and Canada.

	When:	Monday, April 2, 2001
	Where:	United Nations (47 St. and 1st Ave)
	Time:	10:30AM

Invited to participate and speak at this peaceful protest are
representatives of various religious, political and private organizations
who will raise the question and the validity of the repressed rights of the
Albanians in Macedonia.

The time is now!! We must seize this historical moment in which the
Albanians must finally obtain their full and legitimate rights that have
ever so been denied in Macedonia. It's at this moment in that all Albanians
must stand and support the fight for freedom and democracy.

Stop Macedonian terror committed against Albanians.
Stop Macedonian military and police aggression towards Albanians.

The Albanians in Macedonia want national and constitutional freedoms within
the borders and institutions of Macedonia. These demands are elementary and
natural and no one in the world has the power to deny them. We call on the
international community to recognize and condemn the social, political and
economic injustices the Albanians have suffered under the Macedonian
government for the past 10 years alone.

All for one, and one for all at the protest for the freedom of the
Albanians in Macedonia.
Monday April 2, 2001




From DIELLIDD at aol.com  Mon Mar 26 10:26:42 2001
From: DIELLIDD at aol.com (DIELLIDD at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:42 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
Message-ID: <71.bd819f3.27f0b9b2@aol.com>

RESPEKT PER REAGIMIN TEND.
KISHA ME SHTU NJE TE VERTETE:
SLLAVET NUK MUNDEN ME U PAJTU ASNJEHERE ME QENE TE BARABART ME SHQIPTARET. QE 
PSE DUHET ME I LUFTUE.
NE SHQIPTARET MOMENTALISHT JEMI TE SHKRETE SEPSE KERKOJME TE DREJTA TE 
BARABARTA ME TE TJERET E BOTA ESHTE KUNDER....HAH CFARE IRONIE!!!
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 30 15:31:32 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:31:32 
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
Message-ID: <F541qdiixjnzi95HfqR00015d50@hotmail.com>

Tung "Dielli" dhe tjere anetare te nderuar te listes....

Ne shqipetaret nuk jemi te shkrete....perkundrazi jemi duke e marr fatin 
tone ne duarte tona.....nuk ka vende per zhgenjim....

Nuk e di sakt se per cilin reagim e ke fjalen, por ajo ndoshta edhe nuk ka 
aqe rendesi. Arsyeja pse po shkruaj eshte se e pash nje doze pesimizmi ne 
porosin tende.  NUk metoj te jeme optimist pa pasur arsye. Arsyerat per te 
qene optimist jane (disa):

E vertete eshte se sllavet e kan veshtire te pajtohen me barazin e 
shqipetareve, po ky eshte nje proces "mesimi" qe ata do ta arrijne me kohe 
se nuk do te kene mundesi tjeter.

Kjo vlen sa i perket Kosoves po edhe sa i perket Maqedonise.

Nuk eshte e vertete se bota eshte kunder shqipetareve.  Solana dhe te tjeret 
jane pjese e nje sistemi propagandues qe ka per qellim dekurajimin e luftave 
tjera te mundeshme ne rajon, por cka eshte me rendesi te gjithe (reporteret, 
politikanet madje edhe maqedonet, pra edhe Solana) pajtohen se ka pas dhe ka 
discriminim ndaj shqipetareve. Pra me rendesi eshte qe i ashtuquajturi 
komunitet nderkombetare e ka kuptuar (une besoj se e ka ditur edhe me pare 
por pasi shqipeteret nuk kan leviz nga vendi as ata nuk jane merzitur), se 
ka arsye per pakenaqesi te shqipetareve, por po mundohen bashke me maqedonet 
ta "ruajne futyren" kinse bisedimet qe pritet te fillojne nuk po behen nga 
presioni i UCK-se, qe kuptohet eshte qesharake se i madh e i vogel, ashtu te 
them e dine se arsyeja e vetme pse te palarat e Maqedonise (siq tha Din 
Mehmeti) iu dolen maqedoneve shovenist ne shesh eshte era e barotit ne 
Tetove dhe rrethine. Pra bisedimet kur te fillojne do te filojne per shkak 
te luftes se UCK-se.

Pra ka vende per optimizem, dhe ate me arsye, sepse te vetmit qe po e 
permendin njefar Kosove te madhe (qe po e degjoj per here te pare!)apo 
Shqiperi te madhe jane maqedonet, ndersa ne shumicen e reagimeve,shkrimeve 
konstatohet se shqipetaret e ndiejn vehten qytetare te rendit te dyte dhe po 
kerkojne barazi me maqedonet.

LUFTA NE TAVOLINEN E BISEDIMEVE

Tani obligimi kalon mbi palen shqipetare qe ne bisedime te insistoj qe 
njehere e pergjithmon te zgjidhen problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.
Me fjale tjera te hartoj platformen e bisedimeve dhe mos te knaqet me nje 
Universitet, apo me do "grimca" te drejtash qe maqedonet na japin. Tan 
gjithkush e din se shqipetaret ne maqedoni jane te gatshem te luftojne per 
te drejtat e tyre, nuk ka rendesi nese jane terheq pjeserisht (UCK nuk e a 
pasur per qelim te pushtoj Maqedonin por ti detyroj maqedonet te bisedojne, 
dhe kjo une jam i sigurt eshte arritur).

Maqedonet me siguri do te mundohen qe te leshojen pe sa me pak. Por shifrat 
jane ne favor te shqipetareve dhe duhet shfrytezuar sa me shume.

Pala shqipetare ne maqedoni duhet te insistoj qe:
-te ndryshohet Kushtetuta (nje variant: shtet i te gjithe qytetareve..
ose shtet i Maqedoneve, Shqipetareve dhe pakicave kombetare....);

-gjuha shqipe te jete gjuhe zurtare ne te gjitha organet shteterore duke 
perfshi edhe qeverine dhe parlamentin(kush nuk e kupton le ti vej 
degjonjeset) duke perdor si analogji me Kosoven ku dhe sot serbet ne te 
gjitha takimet flasin serbisht dhe sigurohet perthimi.

-te kerkohet qe te gjitha shenjat e komunikacionit dhe toponimet te jene ne 
te dy ghuhet;

-mbishkrimet e shitoreve, ndermarrjeve te jene ne te dy gjuhet;

-dokumentacioni si pasaportat, leternjoftimet, certificatat e lindjes etj te 
jene ne dy gjuhe dhe emrat e femijeve te lindur te shkruhenme shkronja 
shqipe e jo te bastardhohen per mungese te shkronjave sllave
(prap anologji te merret Kosova ku UNMIK-u dokumantacionin e leshon ne te dy 
gjuhet);

-te ndyshohet ligji mbi shtetesin duke iu mundesuar ish shtetaseve te RSFJ, 
qe shumica jane shqipetare te marrin shtetesin e Maqedonise;

-Universityeti i Tetoves e jo i Evropes (dhe as i Azise apo Afrikes,nuk 
eshte e vertete se e gjithcka qe vjene nga Evropa eshte qellimemire) te 
zyrtarizohet (eshte me rendesi qe ky Universitet te jate shteterore e jo 
lemosh nga Evropa),pra financimi te behet nga buxheti i Maqedonise, ndersa 
Maqedonia munde ti merr te hollat nga kush te doje;

-te behet analize e kushteve te banimit dhe jeteses ne viset e banuara me 
shqipetare dhe te qiten ne shesh dallimet qe ekzistojne ne infrastrukture 
dhe qe kane qene te qellimta, me plane qe keto te ndyshohen drejte nje 
baraspeshe ne shperndarjen e resurseve ekonomike midis viseve te banuara me 
shqipetare ne njeren ane dhe atyre ku banojne maqedonet ne anen tjeter (ketu 
duhet analize sociale dhe ekonomike e zhvillimit te deritashem te 
Maqedonise);

-te insistohet qe celesi proporcional dmth ne raport me pjesmarrjen e 
shqipetareve ne popullsin e gjithmbarshme te respektohet ne te gjitha 
nivelet e punesimit ne organet shteterore, dhe menjeher te filloj ngritja e 
perqindjes se shqipetareve te punesuar ne keto organe ne pajtim me 
regjistrimin e fundit te popullesise pa e pritur regjistrimin e ri te 
popullsise (dhe korigjimet eventuale sipas regjistrimit te ri te behen me 
vone);

-te behet sa me shpejte regjistrimi i popullsise me pjesmarrjen e vezhguesve 
te huaj qe njehere e mire ta dime sa eshte numri i popullsise dhe perberja e 
saj sipas kombesise;

-te themelohet institucioni i Ombudspersonit per shqyrtimin e ankesave, 
sidomos nga raportet nderetnike, punesimin etj.me pjesmarrjen e OSBE-se.

Keto jane vetem disa pika qe tani mu kujtuan per te cilat pala shqipetare 
duhet te luftoj pran tavoline e qe nuk eshte lufte e lehte...

Ne funde, une jame optimist pra dhe besoj se shume do te mvaret prej nesh
Shqipetaret ne Maqedoni do te fitojne, pyetja e vetme eshte SA DO TE 
FITOJNE?

Ju prshendes

Imer Berisha


>Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:42 EST
>
>RESPEKT PER REAGIMIN TEND.
>KISHA ME SHTU NJE TE VERTETE:
>SLLAVET NUK MUNDEN ME U PAJTU ASNJEHERE ME QENE TE BARABART ME SHQIPTARET. 
>QE
>PSE DUHET ME I LUFTUE.
>NE SHQIPTARET MOMENTALISHT JEMI TE SHKRETE SEPSE KERKOJME TE DREJTA TE
>BARABARTA ME TE TJERET E BOTA ESHTE KUNDER....HAH CFARE IRONIE!!!

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From etrit at alb-net.com  Fri Mar 30 10:52:07 2001
From: etrit at alb-net.com (Etrit Bardhi)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:52:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
In-Reply-To: <F541qdiixjnzi95HfqR00015d50@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0103301047110.15484-100000@alb-net.com>

Tung Imer,

shume bukur i ke perfshi te gjitha pikat te cilat shqiptaret i kerkojne.
Nje gje qe mund te shkoje ne dem te shqiptareve ne maqedoni eshte nese
behet regjistrimi i popullsise pa e perfunduar qeshtjen e nenshtetesise se
qytetareve.  Ne nje artikull qe e lexova me heret nje numer i madh i
shqiptareve ende nuk zotojne nenshtetesine maqedone, dhe besoj se kjo
duhet te jete prioritet dhe te shtrohet nga pala shqiptare ne bisedime.

Te fala,

Etriti.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Imer Berisha wrote:

>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>
> Tung "Dielli" dhe tjere anetare te nderuar te listes....
>
> Ne shqipetaret nuk jemi te shkrete....perkundrazi jemi duke e marr fatin
> tone ne duarte tona.....nuk ka vende per zhgenjim....
>
> Nuk e di sakt se per cilin reagim e ke fjalen, por ajo ndoshta edhe nuk ka
> aqe rendesi. Arsyeja pse po shkruaj eshte se e pash nje doze pesimizmi ne
> porosin tende.  NUk metoj te jeme optimist pa pasur arsye. Arsyerat per te
> qene optimist jane (disa):
>
> E vertete eshte se sllavet e kan veshtire te pajtohen me barazin e
> shqipetareve, po ky eshte nje proces "mesimi" qe ata do ta arrijne me kohe
> se nuk do te kene mundesi tjeter.
>
> Kjo vlen sa i perket Kosoves po edhe sa i perket Maqedonise.
>
> Nuk eshte e vertete se bota eshte kunder shqipetareve.  Solana dhe te tjeret
> jane pjese e nje sistemi propagandues qe ka per qellim dekurajimin e luftave
> tjera te mundeshme ne rajon, por cka eshte me rendesi te gjithe (reporteret,
> politikanet madje edhe maqedonet, pra edhe Solana) pajtohen se ka pas dhe ka
> discriminim ndaj shqipetareve. Pra me rendesi eshte qe i ashtuquajturi
> komunitet nderkombetare e ka kuptuar (une besoj se e ka ditur edhe me pare
> por pasi shqipeteret nuk kan leviz nga vendi as ata nuk jane merzitur), se
> ka arsye per pakenaqesi te shqipetareve, por po mundohen bashke me maqedonet
> ta "ruajne futyren" kinse bisedimet qe pritet te fillojne nuk po behen nga
> presioni i UCK-se, qe kuptohet eshte qesharake se i madh e i vogel, ashtu te
> them e dine se arsyeja e vetme pse te palarat e Maqedonise (siq tha Din
> Mehmeti) iu dolen maqedoneve shovenist ne shesh eshte era e barotit ne
> Tetove dhe rrethine. Pra bisedimet kur te fillojne do te filojne per shkak
> te luftes se UCK-se.
>
> Pra ka vende per optimizem, dhe ate me arsye, sepse te vetmit qe po e
> permendin njefar Kosove te madhe (qe po e degjoj per here te pare!)apo
> Shqiperi te madhe jane maqedonet, ndersa ne shumicen e reagimeve,shkrimeve
> konstatohet se shqipetaret e ndiejn vehten qytetare te rendit te dyte dhe po
> kerkojne barazi me maqedonet.
>
> LUFTA NE TAVOLINEN E BISEDIMEVE
>
> Tani obligimi kalon mbi palen shqipetare qe ne bisedime te insistoj qe
> njehere e pergjithmon te zgjidhen problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.
> Me fjale tjera te hartoj platformen e bisedimeve dhe mos te knaqet me nje
> Universitet, apo me do "grimca" te drejtash qe maqedonet na japin. Tan
> gjithkush e din se shqipetaret ne maqedoni jane te gatshem te luftojne per
> te drejtat e tyre, nuk ka rendesi nese jane terheq pjeserisht (UCK nuk e a
> pasur per qelim te pushtoj Maqedonin por ti detyroj maqedonet te bisedojne,
> dhe kjo une jam i sigurt eshte arritur).
>
> Maqedonet me siguri do te mundohen qe te leshojen pe sa me pak. Por shifrat
> jane ne favor te shqipetareve dhe duhet shfrytezuar sa me shume.
>
> Pala shqipetare ne maqedoni duhet te insistoj qe:
> -te ndryshohet Kushtetuta (nje variant: shtet i te gjithe qytetareve..
> ose shtet i Maqedoneve, Shqipetareve dhe pakicave kombetare....);
>
> -gjuha shqipe te jete gjuhe zurtare ne te gjitha organet shteterore duke
> perfshi edhe qeverine dhe parlamentin(kush nuk e kupton le ti vej
> degjonjeset) duke perdor si analogji me Kosoven ku dhe sot serbet ne te
> gjitha takimet flasin serbisht dhe sigurohet perthimi.
>
> -te kerkohet qe te gjitha shenjat e komunikacionit dhe toponimet te jene ne
> te dy ghuhet;
>
> -mbishkrimet e shitoreve, ndermarrjeve te jene ne te dy gjuhet;
>
> -dokumentacioni si pasaportat, leternjoftimet, certificatat e lindjes etj te
> jene ne dy gjuhe dhe emrat e femijeve te lindur te shkruhenme shkronja
> shqipe e jo te bastardhohen per mungese te shkronjave sllave
> (prap anologji te merret Kosova ku UNMIK-u dokumantacionin e leshon ne te dy
> gjuhet);
>
> -te ndyshohet ligji mbi shtetesin duke iu mundesuar ish shtetaseve te RSFJ,
> qe shumica jane shqipetare te marrin shtetesin e Maqedonise;
>
> -Universityeti i Tetoves e jo i Evropes (dhe as i Azise apo Afrikes,nuk
> eshte e vertete se e gjithcka qe vjene nga Evropa eshte qellimemire) te
> zyrtarizohet (eshte me rendesi qe ky Universitet te jate shteterore e jo
> lemosh nga Evropa),pra financimi te behet nga buxheti i Maqedonise, ndersa
> Maqedonia munde ti merr te hollat nga kush te doje;
>
> -te behet analize e kushteve te banimit dhe jeteses ne viset e banuara me
> shqipetare dhe te qiten ne shesh dallimet qe ekzistojne ne infrastrukture
> dhe qe kane qene te qellimta, me plane qe keto te ndyshohen drejte nje
> baraspeshe ne shperndarjen e resurseve ekonomike midis viseve te banuara me
> shqipetare ne njeren ane dhe atyre ku banojne maqedonet ne anen tjeter (ketu
> duhet analize sociale dhe ekonomike e zhvillimit te deritashem te
> Maqedonise);
>
> -te insistohet qe celesi proporcional dmth ne raport me pjesmarrjen e
> shqipetareve ne popullsin e gjithmbarshme te respektohet ne te gjitha
> nivelet e punesimit ne organet shteterore, dhe menjeher te filloj ngritja e
> perqindjes se shqipetareve te punesuar ne keto organe ne pajtim me
> regjistrimin e fundit te popullesise pa e pritur regjistrimin e ri te
> popullsise (dhe korigjimet eventuale sipas regjistrimit te ri te behen me
> vone);
>
> -te behet sa me shpejte regjistrimi i popullsise me pjesmarrjen e vezhguesve
> te huaj qe njehere e mire ta dime sa eshte numri i popullsise dhe perberja e
> saj sipas kombesise;
>
> -te themelohet institucioni i Ombudspersonit per shqyrtimin e ankesave,
> sidomos nga raportet nderetnike, punesimin etj.me pjesmarrjen e OSBE-se.
>
> Keto jane vetem disa pika qe tani mu kujtuan per te cilat pala shqipetare
> duhet te luftoj pran tavoline e qe nuk eshte lufte e lehte...
>
> Ne funde, une jame optimist pra dhe besoj se shume do te mvaret prej nesh
> Shqipetaret ne Maqedoni do te fitojne, pyetja e vetme eshte SA DO TE
> FITOJNE?
>
> Ju prshendes
>
> Imer Berisha
>
>
> >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:42 EST
> >
> >RESPEKT PER REAGIMIN TEND.
> >KISHA ME SHTU NJE TE VERTETE:
> >SLLAVET NUK MUNDEN ME U PAJTU ASNJEHERE ME QENE TE BARABART ME SHQIPTARET.
> >QE
> >PSE DUHET ME I LUFTUE.
> >NE SHQIPTARET MOMENTALISHT JEMI TE SHKRETE SEPSE KERKOJME TE DREJTA TE
> >BARABARTA ME TE TJERET E BOTA ESHTE KUNDER....HAH CFARE IRONIE!!!
>
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From imerprishtina at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 30 16:16:48 2001
From: imerprishtina at hotmail.com (Imer Berisha)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:16:48 
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
Message-ID: <F78hgmu6HzTGBGrhUaC0000e6fd@hotmail.com>

Tung Etrit,

Ke te drejte sa i perkete rendesis qe duhet kushtuar atyre qe nuk e kan 
shtetesine. Sigurisht e ke pare se e kam perfshi si pike ndryshimin e Ligit 
mbe shtetesin.

Ndersa ne nderkohe nese regjistrimi behet para ndryshimit te Ligjit mbi 
shtetesin, qe besoj se munde te ndodh, e duke pasur parasysh se regjistrimi 
nuk behet vetem i shtetasve maqedon por edhe i banoreve tjere pala 
shqipetare duhet te insistoj qe te behet edhe regjistrimi i banoreve dmth 
atyre qe jane pa shtetesi por qe jetojne aty prej kohes se ish Jugosllavis, 
dhe ate sipas perkatesise kombetare.

Pra regjistrimi nuk perfshin vetem regjistrimin e shtetasve, e nese 
maqedonet mendojne keshtu atehere duhet t'ua hapim syte, se regjistrimi i 
popullsise perfshin shume kategori, punesimin, arsimimin, strukturen 
sociale, gupmoshat etj. dhe shtetasit ketu jane vetem nje kategori. Me 
rendesi eshte qe tani per tani te regjistrohet numri i sakte i shqipetareve 
ne Maqedoni, pra me apo pa shtetesi-si banore te Maqedonis, dhe pastaj 
problemi i mosdhenjes se shtetesise munde te shqyrtohet si problem ne vete. 
Me rendesi eshte se askush nuk po kerkon, dhe as nuk ka te drejte, qe ata 
shqipetare qe nuk jane shtetase maqedon te largohen nga Maqedonia.

Pra Etrit ke te drejte se dueht te jemi te kujdesshem por teknikisht kjo 
ceshtje ka zgjidhje.

Gjtithe te mirat

Imeri


>From: Etrit Bardhi <etrit at alb-net.com>
>Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com
>To: <nyc-l at alb-net.com>
>CC: Albanian List <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>
>Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
>Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:52:07 -0500 (EST)
>
>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
>
>Tung Imer,
>
>shume bukur i ke perfshi te gjitha pikat te cilat shqiptaret i kerkojne.
>Nje gje qe mund te shkoje ne dem te shqiptareve ne maqedoni eshte nese
>behet regjistrimi i popullsise pa e perfunduar qeshtjen e nenshtetesise se
>qytetareve.  Ne nje artikull qe e lexova me heret nje numer i madh i
>shqiptareve ende nuk zotojne nenshtetesine maqedone, dhe besoj se kjo
>duhet te jete prioritet dhe te shtrohet nga pala shqiptare ne bisedime.
>
>Te fala,
>
>Etriti.
>
>On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Imer Berisha wrote:
>
> >           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
> >
> > Tung "Dielli" dhe tjere anetare te nderuar te listes....
> >
> > Ne shqipetaret nuk jemi te shkrete....perkundrazi jemi duke e marr fatin
> > tone ne duarte tona.....nuk ka vende per zhgenjim....
> >
> > Nuk e di sakt se per cilin reagim e ke fjalen, por ajo ndoshta edhe nuk 
>ka
> > aqe rendesi. Arsyeja pse po shkruaj eshte se e pash nje doze pesimizmi 
>ne
> > porosin tende.  NUk metoj te jeme optimist pa pasur arsye. Arsyerat per 
>te
> > qene optimist jane (disa):
> >
> > E vertete eshte se sllavet e kan veshtire te pajtohen me barazin e
> > shqipetareve, po ky eshte nje proces "mesimi" qe ata do ta arrijne me 
>kohe
> > se nuk do te kene mundesi tjeter.
> >
> > Kjo vlen sa i perket Kosoves po edhe sa i perket Maqedonise.
> >
> > Nuk eshte e vertete se bota eshte kunder shqipetareve.  Solana dhe te 
>tjeret
> > jane pjese e nje sistemi propagandues qe ka per qellim dekurajimin e 
>luftave
> > tjera te mundeshme ne rajon, por cka eshte me rendesi te gjithe 
>(reporteret,
> > politikanet madje edhe maqedonet, pra edhe Solana) pajtohen se ka pas 
>dhe ka
> > discriminim ndaj shqipetareve. Pra me rendesi eshte qe i ashtuquajturi
> > komunitet nderkombetare e ka kuptuar (une besoj se e ka ditur edhe me 
>pare
> > por pasi shqipeteret nuk kan leviz nga vendi as ata nuk jane merzitur), 
>se
> > ka arsye per pakenaqesi te shqipetareve, por po mundohen bashke me 
>maqedonet
> > ta "ruajne futyren" kinse bisedimet qe pritet te fillojne nuk po behen 
>nga
> > presioni i UCK-se, qe kuptohet eshte qesharake se i madh e i vogel, 
>ashtu te
> > them e dine se arsyeja e vetme pse te palarat e Maqedonise (siq tha Din
> > Mehmeti) iu dolen maqedoneve shovenist ne shesh eshte era e barotit ne
> > Tetove dhe rrethine. Pra bisedimet kur te fillojne do te filojne per 
>shkak
> > te luftes se UCK-se.
> >
> > Pra ka vende per optimizem, dhe ate me arsye, sepse te vetmit qe po e
> > permendin njefar Kosove te madhe (qe po e degjoj per here te pare!)apo
> > Shqiperi te madhe jane maqedonet, ndersa ne shumicen e 
>reagimeve,shkrimeve
> > konstatohet se shqipetaret e ndiejn vehten qytetare te rendit te dyte 
>dhe po
> > kerkojne barazi me maqedonet.
> >
> > LUFTA NE TAVOLINEN E BISEDIMEVE
> >
> > Tani obligimi kalon mbi palen shqipetare qe ne bisedime te insistoj qe
> > njehere e pergjithmon te zgjidhen problemet e shqipetareve ne Maqedoni.
> > Me fjale tjera te hartoj platformen e bisedimeve dhe mos te knaqet me 
>nje
> > Universitet, apo me do "grimca" te drejtash qe maqedonet na japin. Tan
> > gjithkush e din se shqipetaret ne maqedoni jane te gatshem te luftojne 
>per
> > te drejtat e tyre, nuk ka rendesi nese jane terheq pjeserisht (UCK nuk e 
>a
> > pasur per qelim te pushtoj Maqedonin por ti detyroj maqedonet te 
>bisedojne,
> > dhe kjo une jam i sigurt eshte arritur).
> >
> > Maqedonet me siguri do te mundohen qe te leshojen pe sa me pak. Por 
>shifrat
> > jane ne favor te shqipetareve dhe duhet shfrytezuar sa me shume.
> >
> > Pala shqipetare ne maqedoni duhet te insistoj qe:
> > -te ndryshohet Kushtetuta (nje variant: shtet i te gjithe qytetareve..
> > ose shtet i Maqedoneve, Shqipetareve dhe pakicave kombetare....);
> >
> > -gjuha shqipe te jete gjuhe zurtare ne te gjitha organet shteterore duke
> > perfshi edhe qeverine dhe parlamentin(kush nuk e kupton le ti vej
> > degjonjeset) duke perdor si analogji me Kosoven ku dhe sot serbet ne te
> > gjitha takimet flasin serbisht dhe sigurohet perthimi.
> >
> > -te kerkohet qe te gjitha shenjat e komunikacionit dhe toponimet te jene 
>ne
> > te dy ghuhet;
> >
> > -mbishkrimet e shitoreve, ndermarrjeve te jene ne te dy gjuhet;
> >
> > -dokumentacioni si pasaportat, leternjoftimet, certificatat e lindjes 
>etj te
> > jene ne dy gjuhe dhe emrat e femijeve te lindur te shkruhenme shkronja
> > shqipe e jo te bastardhohen per mungese te shkronjave sllave
> > (prap anologji te merret Kosova ku UNMIK-u dokumantacionin e leshon ne 
>te dy
> > gjuhet);
> >
> > -te ndyshohet ligji mbi shtetesin duke iu mundesuar ish shtetaseve te 
>RSFJ,
> > qe shumica jane shqipetare te marrin shtetesin e Maqedonise;
> >
> > -Universityeti i Tetoves e jo i Evropes (dhe as i Azise apo Afrikes,nuk
> > eshte e vertete se e gjithcka qe vjene nga Evropa eshte qellimemire) te
> > zyrtarizohet (eshte me rendesi qe ky Universitet te jate shteterore e jo
> > lemosh nga Evropa),pra financimi te behet nga buxheti i Maqedonise, 
>ndersa
> > Maqedonia munde ti merr te hollat nga kush te doje;
> >
> > -te behet analize e kushteve te banimit dhe jeteses ne viset e banuara 
>me
> > shqipetare dhe te qiten ne shesh dallimet qe ekzistojne ne 
>infrastrukture
> > dhe qe kane qene te qellimta, me plane qe keto te ndyshohen drejte nje
> > baraspeshe ne shperndarjen e resurseve ekonomike midis viseve te banuara 
>me
> > shqipetare ne njeren ane dhe atyre ku banojne maqedonet ne anen tjeter 
>(ketu
> > duhet analize sociale dhe ekonomike e zhvillimit te deritashem te
> > Maqedonise);
> >
> > -te insistohet qe celesi proporcional dmth ne raport me pjesmarrjen e
> > shqipetareve ne popullsin e gjithmbarshme te respektohet ne te gjitha
> > nivelet e punesimit ne organet shteterore, dhe menjeher te filloj 
>ngritja e
> > perqindjes se shqipetareve te punesuar ne keto organe ne pajtim me
> > regjistrimin e fundit te popullesise pa e pritur regjistrimin e ri te
> > popullsise (dhe korigjimet eventuale sipas regjistrimit te ri te behen 
>me
> > vone);
> >
> > -te behet sa me shpejte regjistrimi i popullsise me pjesmarrjen e 
>vezhguesve
> > te huaj qe njehere e mire ta dime sa eshte numri i popullsise dhe 
>perberja e
> > saj sipas kombesise;
> >
> > -te themelohet institucioni i Ombudspersonit per shqyrtimin e ankesave,
> > sidomos nga raportet nderetnike, punesimin etj.me pjesmarrjen e OSBE-se.
> >
> > Keto jane vetem disa pika qe tani mu kujtuan per te cilat pala 
>shqipetare
> > duhet te luftoj pran tavoline e qe nuk eshte lufte e lehte...
> >
> > Ne funde, une jame optimist pra dhe besoj se shume do te mvaret prej 
>nesh
> > Shqipetaret ne Maqedoni do te fitojne, pyetja e vetme eshte SA DO TE
> > FITOJNE?
> >
> > Ju prshendes
> >
> > Imer Berisha
> >
> >
> > >Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:26:42 EST
> > >
> > >RESPEKT PER REAGIMIN TEND.
> > >KISHA ME SHTU NJE TE VERTETE:
> > >SLLAVET NUK MUNDEN ME U PAJTU ASNJEHERE ME QENE TE BARABART ME 
>SHQIPTARET.
> > >QE
> > >PSE DUHET ME I LUFTUE.
> > >NE SHQIPTARET MOMENTALISHT JEMI TE SHKRETE SEPSE KERKOJME TE DREJTA TE
> > >BARABARTA ME TE TJERET E BOTA ESHTE KUNDER....HAH CFARE IRONIE!!!
> >
> > 
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From Ebozdo at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 11:55:20 2001
From: Ebozdo at aol.com (Ebozdo at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:55:20 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] Re: [Prishtina-l] Re: [Alb-Club] People please
Message-ID: <7d.130fd2bf.27f61478@aol.com>

Pershendetjet e mia zoti Imer!
Shkrimi juaj ishte plotesisht i drejte dhe i vertete.
edhe nje here,
Etleva
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