[NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs

[jeton ademaj]

Visar,

i appreciate your thought and effort in attempting to lower the temperature 
i purposefully raised. i understand the need for civility in discussions of 
any kind. i simply don't expect further discussion with 'petrit' to be 
viable.

i jettisoned that civility when rebutting 'petrit ademi' because experience 
has taught me that sometimes rudeness is a necessary short-cut when dealing 
with propagandists.

furthermore, i was (and am) fully prepared to politely discuss the most 
extreme report/rumor/accusation/innuendo, with Albanians of every stripe and 
with *well-intentioned or truth-intentioned* outsiders. i mean to say that 
"petrit" can argue as unscrupulously as he pleases AS LONG AS I BUY THE IDEA 
THAT HE'S ALBANIAN (in which case i can at least abstractly infer that there 
is altruism of some kind in his actions), BUT WHEN HE LEAVES THE TELL-TALE 
ARGUMENTATIVE TRACES OF AN ANTI-ALBANIAN BULLSHIT ARTIST I FEEL NO NEED TO 
FIDGET IN MY SEAT WHILE HE SPAMS AGIT-PROP!

Visar, i hereby invite u (and anyone else) to enter into any sort of 
discussion with "petrit" that u can stand. if he's on the up n up and/or has 
some valuable information he merely fails to commmunicate HERE, fine. i'd be 
happy to read of it. Perhaps i made him feel too defensive to unfurl the 
revelatory commentary he'd otherwise offer?

Let me put it this way: at best he's an irresponsible journalist of the 
Matt-Drudge-on-crack variety (in which case he should toughen up 'cuz 
there's more where this came from) and at worst he's some Spook/Asshole 
working for who knows, and deserves to be exposed (and in which case his 
'feelings' don't matter)

I trust my instincts. I have no intention of giving free-rides to puerile 
spammers of any description. A "fact" may be impossible to prove but it 
should not be impossible to argue... failing that the spammer should have 
the good sense to label his shit 'Shit', or face the Flaming he so 
rightfully deserves......

BTW, Freedom of Expression does not prevent Freedom of Rebuttal, it 
guarantees it!

JETONI

Post Scriptum: Visar, sometimes we absolutely Must be offended. It's part of 
being a living human. It's part of being a good person.

PEACE

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>   To everyone,
>
>      An opinion is an opinion, and everyone is entiteled to one or more; 
>if
>they so choose they can even change it or them.  If someone states an
>opinion without substantial evidence - "substantial evidence" is of course 
>a
>relative term - than it is an opinion, not fact.  However, we should all
>have in mind that sometimes even a fact cannot be proven, and that does not
>make it less real.
>      The point is, everyone has an agenda, and they should strive to
>promote it, through non-violent ways of course.  Even though we, sometimes,
>might not agree with what someone says or believes, we should not be
>"offended" by it, and we should also be able to discuss it in a rational
>manner.  Most Albanians have gone through hard times in the past two 
>decades
>so we should be aware of this, however, under any circumstaces we should 
>not
>and cannot allow for anything to stand in the way of freedom of expression,
>for this will criple any attempt of establishing true democracy in Albanian
>lands.
>     This note is not an attempt to take sides on the issue some members
>have been discussing, rather it is in attempt to inform you that your
>discussion seems more like an argument then an intellegent exchange of
>opinions.
>
>
>    Visar Belegu
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