From PetritAdemi at bigpond.com Sun Sep 10 10:23:54 2000 From: PetritAdemi at bigpond.com (Petrit Ademi) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:23:54 +1000 Subject: [NYC-L] ::: Albanian Intelligence ::: Message-ID: <037701c01b32$f8a12900$LocalHost@default> ( ATTENTION ALL ALBANIANS ) Join this mailing list IMMEDIATELY ! http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi It is your obligation to join this email group ....... You will be sent emails montly on information about the Albanian underworld ........ This includes info on the Albanian Mafia , Albanian Militant groups , Secret Albanians organisations .... : DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THIS INFORMATION TO ANYONE UNLESS THEY ARE OF ALBANIAN ETHNICITY ( MISSION ) : The objective of this email is to inform Albanians around the world of the secretsof the Albanian underworlsd The address is http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi Sampl document attached :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 13203 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.alb-net.com/pipermail/nyc-l/attachments/20000911/31dd9cc0/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I GOTCHA SECRET INFO RIGHT HERE!!!!!!........." also, will this 'info' be accessible thru any web-search the way posts to these lists are now already? (yes, u can find posts to nyc-l, prishtina-e and -l, and other lists thru altavista or other engines...) ....i hope answers are forthcoming, who needs more spam? tung, Jetoni > >( ATTENTION ALL ALBANIANS ) > > > >Join this mailing list > >IMMEDIATELY ! > >http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi > > > >It is your obligation to join this > >email group ....... > > > >You will be sent emails montly on > >information about the Albanian > >underworld ........ > > > >This includes info on the Albanian > >Mafia , Albanian Militant groups , > >Secret Albanians organisations .... > > > >: DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THIS > >INFORMATION TO ANYONE > >UNLESS THEY ARE OF ALBANIAN > >ETHNICITY > > > >( MISSION ) : The objective of this email is to inform Albanians around the >world of the secretsof the Albanian underworlsd > >The address is http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi > > > >Sampl document attached :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > > > > > > > > ><< AlbanianMafia.pdf >> _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kaltrinaa at hotmail.com Sun Sep 10 19:26:57 2000 From: kaltrinaa at hotmail.com (Kaltrina Baraliu) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:26:57 GMT Subject: [NYC-L] ::: Albanian Intelligence ::: Message-ID: Hey everyone, I completly agree with Jeton!!! This is something totally stupid (albanian Mafia????). People, grow up a little and try to actually do something valuable with your brain(s)... and please, whoever wrote this e-mail, can you send some more details what this e-mail was supposed to mean??? Tina >From: "jeton ademaj" >Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >Subject: Re: [NYC-L] ::: Albanian Intelligence ::: >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:08:34 EDT > > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > >hi everyone, > >can somebody please tell me what the fuck this shit is supposed to be? >....and furthermore, what is this person(s) really selling....? >(it all looks like really silly, stanky spam...) > >"..........YOOOO-HOOOO! GETCHA RED-HOT SECRET ALBANIAN UNDERWORLD INFO!! I >GOTCHA SECRET INFO RIGHT HERE!!!!!!........." > >also, will this 'info' be accessible thru any web-search the way posts to >these lists are now already? (yes, u can find posts to nyc-l, prishtina-e >and -l, and other lists thru altavista or other engines...) > >....i hope answers are forthcoming, who needs more spam? > >tung, >Jetoni > >> >>( ATTENTION ALL ALBANIANS ) >> >> >> >>Join this mailing list >> >>IMMEDIATELY ! >> >>http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi >> >> >> >>It is your obligation to join this >> >>email group ....... >> >> >> >>You will be sent emails montly on >> >>information about the Albanian >> >>underworld ........ >> >> >> >>This includes info on the Albanian >> >>Mafia , Albanian Militant groups , >> >>Secret Albanians organisations .... >> >> >> >>: DO NOT DISTRIBUTE THIS >> >>INFORMATION TO ANYONE >> >>UNLESS THEY ARE OF ALBANIAN >> >>ETHNICITY >> >> >> >>( MISSION ) : The objective of this email is to inform Albanians around >>the >>world of the secretsof the Albanian underworlsd >> >>The address is http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi >> >> >> >>Sampl document attached :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >><< AlbanianMafia.pdf >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From PetritAdemi at bigpond.com Mon Sep 11 08:35:37 2000 From: PetritAdemi at bigpond.com (Petrit Ademi) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:35:37 +1000 Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism References: <200009110404.e8B447J28214@alb-net.com> Message-ID: <006401c01bec$e6fac5c0$64e236cb@default> IN REPLY TO CRITISISM ABOUT SIGURIMI EGROUP By egroup owner Firstly I would like to say that I fully accept all critism of my egroup. I beleive that free speech and open democracy is essential in Albanian society inorder of acheiving peace and democracy. So I'm not going to argue or be cynical. To Jeton and Kaltrina I would like to say I respect your responses. I beleive that you have a misunderstanding on the purpose of this egroup. The purpose of this egroup is not to cause controversy or to advertise something. The purpose of this egroup is to inform Albanians about facts that are being kept secret from them. Examples of these are : 1. Hashim Thaci killed dozens of his rivals , who were true Albanian patriots and blammed it on the Serbian police. The rivals include the late Ahmet Krasniqi who was one of the most respected KLA commanders and Commander - in - cheif of the splinter KLA organisation FARK ( Armed Forces of Republic of Kosova ). 2. The Albanian Mafia has grown to epidemic levels , which now has a dominating influence in Kosova , Albania and Macedonia. The Albanian Mafia has an overwhelming share in the Heroin Market in Europe , which some estimates put at worth $400 billion dollars a year. 3. There are new secret Albanian organisatios being created such as the Intelligence Agency of Kosova and the National Eagle , with there stated aims of liquidating Criminal syndicates from Kosova. The National eagle has so far executed a prominent Tirana mobster in revenge for his gangs involvement in the kidnappings of 42 Kosovar teenage girls in the Gjakova and Decani districts. 4. In Ilirida ( Albanian Macedonia ) Albanian militants have created the ANA ( Albanian National Army ) with its aim of liberating the Albanian lands from slav occupation. It wants the macedonian government to declare a mountain near Tetova as a national park inorder to design it as a training camp. 5. Agim Ceku , commander - in - cheif of the KPC , was a declared war criminal for his direct involvement in the massacres of serb civilians in the Medak offensive in western slavonia. But with help of the Central Intelligence Agency his file in the hague was deleted. 6. The only reason why Fatos Nano , leader of the socialist party in Albania became president was through direct assisstance from Greek and Serbian Intelligence units based in Tirana. The Greek government donated $250 million dollars to mr Nano's election campaign. Mr Nano used Zani Caushi , Notorouis gang leader of a southern city in Albania , Vlora. With Caushi Nano directed his gang to demolish opposition in southern Albanian villages who were strongly supportive of the Democratic Party of Albania. Caushi and his gang even went as far as stood right next to ballot boxes with AK - 47's and checking ballots before they were inserted into election boxes. Fortunatly Mr Caushi is serving life imprisonment for several murders he committed in the city of Vlora. 7. The Saudi goverment donated $90 million dollars to Mr Berisha. There is no specific reason for this but two presumtions arrise. (i) The largest Mosque in Albania is the Sheik Zamil Abdullah Al-Zamil Mosque located in the city Shkoder was approved after the million dollar transaction. This mosque is the largest building in northern Albania. or (ii) Sali berisha allowed Islamic Jihad Soldiers establish training camps in the region of Tropoja and Puka , northern Albania. So to train fighter for the balkans to send to Bosnia and now Chechnya. This is only a drops of facts which I have accumalated from the internet. Unfortuantely this information only appears in Military & Intelligence Media sources. I beleive that all Albanians need to know about these secrets inoder to acheive to main objectives. 1. Fully be informed on who the current and potential leaders really are. and 2. If any Albanian feel sympathetic to these organisations , than to support them or even join them. I don't wish to slander or deminise any one but just be a another information soucre for Albanians. If you wish to comment on my reply , the egroups or if you have any comments or complaints please email me directly at PetritAdemi at bigpond.com By Petrit Ademi -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From dardan at alb-net.com Mon Sep 11 09:08:48 2000 From: dardan at alb-net.com (Dardan Blaku) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism In-Reply-To: <006401c01bec$e6fac5c0$64e236cb@default> Message-ID: Does the list ALBAJOKES still exist? If so, make sure you post this on that list. Dardan On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Petrit Ademi wrote: > IN REPLY TO CRITISISM ABOUT SIGURIMI EGROUP > > By egroup owner > > Firstly I would like to say that I fully accept all critism of my egroup. I beleive that free speech and open democracy is essential in Albanian society inorder of acheiving peace and democracy. So I'm not going to argue or be cynical. > To Jeton and Kaltrina I would like to say I respect your responses. > > I beleive that you have a misunderstanding on the purpose of this egroup. > The purpose of this egroup is not to cause controversy or to advertise something. > > The purpose of this egroup is to inform Albanians about facts that are being kept secret from them. Examples of these are : > > 1. Hashim Thaci killed dozens of his rivals , who were true Albanian patriots and blammed it on the Serbian police. The rivals include the late Ahmet Krasniqi who was one of the most respected KLA commanders and Commander - in - cheif of the splinter KLA organisation FARK ( Armed Forces of Republic of Kosova ). > > 2. The Albanian Mafia has grown to epidemic levels , which now has a dominating influence in Kosova , Albania and Macedonia. The Albanian Mafia has an overwhelming share in the Heroin Market in Europe , which some estimates put at worth $400 billion dollars a year. > > 3. There are new secret Albanian organisatios being created such as the Intelligence Agency of Kosova and the National Eagle , with there stated aims of liquidating Criminal syndicates from Kosova. The National eagle has so far executed a prominent Tirana mobster in revenge for his gangs involvement in the > kidnappings of 42 Kosovar teenage girls in the Gjakova and Decani districts. > > 4. In Ilirida ( Albanian Macedonia ) Albanian militants have created the ANA ( Albanian National Army ) with its aim of liberating the Albanian lands from > slav occupation. It wants the macedonian government to declare a mountain near Tetova as a national park inorder to design it as a training camp. > > 5. Agim Ceku , commander - in - cheif of the KPC , was a declared war criminal for his direct involvement in the massacres of serb civilians in the Medak offensive in western slavonia. But with help of the Central Intelligence Agency his file in the hague was deleted. > > 6. The only reason why Fatos Nano , leader of the socialist party in Albania became president was through direct assisstance from Greek and Serbian Intelligence units based in Tirana. The Greek government donated $250 million dollars to mr Nano's election campaign. Mr Nano used Zani Caushi , Notorouis gang leader of a southern city in Albania , Vlora. With Caushi Nano directed his gang to demolish opposition in southern Albanian villages who were strongly supportive of the Democratic Party of Albania. Caushi and his gang even went as far as stood right next to ballot boxes with AK - 47's and checking ballots before they were inserted into election boxes. Fortunatly Mr Caushi is serving life imprisonment for several murders he committed in the city of Vlora. > > 7. The Saudi goverment donated $90 million dollars to Mr Berisha. There is no specific reason for this but two presumtions arrise. (i) The largest Mosque in Albania is the Sheik Zamil Abdullah Al-Zamil Mosque located in the city Shkoder was approved after the million dollar transaction. This mosque is the largest building in northern Albania. or (ii) Sali berisha allowed > Islamic Jihad Soldiers establish training camps in the region of Tropoja and Puka , northern Albania. So to train fighter for the balkans to send to Bosnia and now Chechnya. > > This is only a drops of facts which I have accumalated from the internet. Unfortuantely this information only appears in Military & Intelligence Media sources. I beleive that all Albanians need to know about these secrets inoder to acheive to main objectives. 1. Fully be informed on who the current and potential leaders really are. and 2. If any Albanian feel sympathetic to these organisations , than to support them or even join them. > > I don't wish to slander or deminise any one but just be a another information soucre for Albanians. > > If you wish to comment on my reply , the egroups or if you have any comments or complaints please email me directly at PetritAdemi at bigpond.com > > By Petrit Ademi > From ramis39 at hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 14:36:00 2000 From: ramis39 at hotmail.com (Ramis Ahmetaj) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:36:00 GMT Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism Message-ID: Petrit, I have nothing against you or your website. Hey, the internet is there so why not use it. Dispersing information is done best over the net, so go right ahead buddy. But, equating what you here from an online(or other)media source, with fact, goes beyond the limit of human logic. If you want to refer us to information, thanks. But, if you want me to believe everything, you say its true, no. Ramis Ahmetaj >From: "Petrit Ademi" >Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com >To: >Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:35:37 +1000 > >IN REPLY TO CRITISISM ABOUT SIGURIMI EGROUP > >By egroup owner > >Firstly I would like to say that I fully accept all critism of my egroup. I >beleive that free speech and open democracy is essential in Albanian >society inorder of acheiving peace and democracy. So I'm not going to argue >or be cynical. >To Jeton and Kaltrina I would like to say I respect your responses. > >I beleive that you have a misunderstanding on the purpose of this egroup. >The purpose of this egroup is not to cause controversy or to advertise >something. > >The purpose of this egroup is to inform Albanians about facts that are >being kept secret from them. Examples of these are : > >1. Hashim Thaci killed dozens of his rivals , who were true Albanian >patriots and blammed it on the Serbian police. The rivals include the late >Ahmet Krasniqi who was one of the most respected KLA commanders and >Commander - in - cheif of the splinter KLA organisation FARK ( Armed Forces >of Republic of Kosova ). > >2. The Albanian Mafia has grown to epidemic levels , which now has a >dominating influence in Kosova , Albania and Macedonia. The Albanian Mafia >has an overwhelming share in the Heroin Market in Europe , which some >estimates put at worth $400 billion dollars a year. > >3. There are new secret Albanian organisatios being created such as the >Intelligence Agency of Kosova and the National Eagle , with there stated >aims of liquidating Criminal syndicates from Kosova. The National eagle has >so far executed a prominent Tirana mobster in revenge for his gangs >involvement in the >kidnappings of 42 Kosovar teenage girls in the Gjakova and Decani >districts. > >4. In Ilirida ( Albanian Macedonia ) Albanian militants have created the >ANA ( Albanian National Army ) with its aim of liberating the Albanian >lands from >slav occupation. It wants the macedonian government to declare a mountain >near Tetova as a national park inorder to design it as a training camp. > >5. Agim Ceku , commander - in - cheif of the KPC , was a declared war >criminal for his direct involvement in the massacres of serb civilians in >the Medak offensive in western slavonia. But with help of the Central >Intelligence Agency his file in the hague was deleted. > >6. The only reason why Fatos Nano , leader of the socialist party in >Albania became president was through direct assisstance from Greek and >Serbian Intelligence units based in Tirana. The Greek government donated >$250 million dollars to mr Nano's election campaign. Mr Nano used Zani >Caushi , Notorouis gang leader of a southern city in Albania , Vlora. With >Caushi Nano directed his gang to demolish opposition in southern Albanian >villages who were strongly supportive of the Democratic Party of Albania. >Caushi and his gang even went as far as stood right next to ballot boxes >with AK - 47's and checking ballots before they were inserted into election >boxes. Fortunatly Mr Caushi is serving life imprisonment for several >murders he committed in the city of Vlora. > >7. The Saudi goverment donated $90 million dollars to Mr Berisha. There is >no specific reason for this but two presumtions arrise. (i) The largest >Mosque in Albania is the Sheik Zamil Abdullah Al-Zamil Mosque located in >the city Shkoder was approved after the million dollar transaction. This >mosque is the largest building in northern Albania. or (ii) Sali berisha >allowed >Islamic Jihad Soldiers establish training camps in the region of Tropoja >and Puka , northern Albania. So to train fighter for the balkans to send to >Bosnia and now Chechnya. > >This is only a drops of facts which I have accumalated from the internet. >Unfortuantely this information only appears in Military & Intelligence >Media sources. I beleive that all Albanians need to know about these >secrets inoder to acheive to main objectives. 1. Fully be informed on who >the current and potential leaders really are. and 2. If any Albanian feel >sympathetic to these organisations , than to support them or even join >them. > >I don't wish to slander or deminise any one but just be a another >information soucre for Albanians. > >If you wish to comment on my reply , the egroups or if you have any >comments or complaints please email me directly at PetritAdemi at bigpond.com > >By Petrit Ademi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From costantin at free.fr Mon Sep 11 14:40:59 2000 From: costantin at free.fr (c) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:40:59 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism References: <200009110404.e8B447J28214@alb-net.com> <006401c01bec$e6fac5c0$64e236cb@default> Message-ID: <004701c01c20$a26604e0$2818e4d5@oemcomputer> Ky njeri ose ka dale nga spitali ose ka dale nga burgjet e Serbise me kusht qe te beje kete qe^po ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Petrit Ademi To: nyc-l at alb-net.com Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism IN REPLY TO CRITISISM ABOUT SIGURIMI EGROUP By egroup owner Firstly I would like to say that I fully accept all critism of my egroup. I beleive that free speech and open democracy is essential in Albanian society inorder of acheiving peace and democracy. So I'm not going to argue or be cynical. To Jeton and Kaltrina I would like to say I respect your responses. I beleive that you have a misunderstanding on the purpose of this egroup. The purpose of this egroup is not to cause controversy or to advertise something. The purpose of this egroup is to inform Albanians about facts that are being kept secret from them. Examples of these are : 1. Hashim Thaci killed dozens of his rivals , who were true Albanian patriots and blammed it on the Serbian police. The rivals include the late Ahmet Krasniqi who was one of the most respected KLA commanders and Commander - in - cheif of the splinter KLA organisation FARK ( Armed Forces of Republic of Kosova ). 2. The Albanian Mafia has grown to epidemic levels , which now has a dominating influence in Kosova , Albania and Macedonia. The Albanian Mafia has an overwhelming share in the Heroin Market in Europe , which some estimates put at worth $400 billion dollars a year. 3. There are new secret Albanian organisatios being created such as the Intelligence Agency of Kosova and the National Eagle , with there stated aims of liquidating Criminal syndicates from Kosova. The National eagle has so far executed a prominent Tirana mobster in revenge for his gangs involvement in the kidnappings of 42 Kosovar teenage girls in the Gjakova and Decani districts. 4. In Ilirida ( Albanian Macedonia ) Albanian militants have created the ANA ( Albanian National Army ) with its aim of liberating the Albanian lands from slav occupation. It wants the macedonian government to declare a mountain near Tetova as a national park inorder to design it as a training camp. 5. Agim Ceku , commander - in - cheif of the KPC , was a declared war criminal for his direct involvement in the massacres of serb civilians in the Medak offensive in western slavonia. But with help of the Central Intelligence Agency his file in the hague was deleted. 6. The only reason why Fatos Nano , leader of the socialist party in Albania became president was through direct assisstance from Greek and Serbian Intelligence units based in Tirana. The Greek government donated $250 million dollars to mr Nano's election campaign. Mr Nano used Zani Caushi , Notorouis gang leader of a southern city in Albania , Vlora. With Caushi Nano directed his gang to demolish opposition in southern Albanian villages who were strongly supportive of the Democratic Party of Albania. Caushi and his gang even went as far as stood right next to ballot boxes with AK - 47's and checking ballots before they were inserted into election boxes. Fortunatly Mr Caushi is serving life imprisonment for several murders he committed in the city of Vlora. 7. The Saudi goverment donated $90 million dollars to Mr Berisha. There is no specific reason for this but two presumtions arrise. (i) The largest Mosque in Albania is the Sheik Zamil Abdullah Al-Zamil Mosque located in the city Shkoder was approved after the million dollar transaction. This mosque is the largest building in northern Albania. or (ii) Sali berisha allowed Islamic Jihad Soldiers establish training camps in the region of Tropoja and Puka , northern Albania. So to train fighter for the balkans to send to Bosnia and now Chechnya. This is only a drops of facts which I have accumalated from the internet. Unfortuantely this information only appears in Military & Intelligence Media sources. I beleive that all Albanians need to know about these secrets inoder to acheive to main objectives. 1. Fully be informed on who the current and potential leaders really are. and 2. If any Albanian feel sympathetic to these organisations , than to support them or even join them. I don't wish to slander or deminise any one but just be a another information soucre for Albanians. If you wish to comment on my reply , the egroups or if you have any comments or complaints please email me directly at PetritAdemi at bigpond.com By Petrit Ademi -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Mon Sep 11 17:18:21 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:18:21 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism Message-ID: Petrit, i admit i suspected this to be your angle..... ......so i'll ask u what i've asked various Kommie/Greek/slavic activists that i've encountered on various forums spewing similiar stuff: what ***evidence*** u do posess/ can u point us toward to substantiate your accusations? "Facts" 1-3 have made the rounds on anti-nato websites, with "fact#1" having gotten exposure from Chris Hedges of the New York Times (in his article it was an accusation made by unnamed sources), however, it's one thing to state something and another to *substantiate it. Can you provide *any* substantiation? #4 is almost totally absurd. An anti-slav Albanian group in *Macedonia is demanding that the *Macedonian government declare a mountain as a *national park so that they (the Albanian militants) can turn it into a *training camp? CAN YOU SAY 'HUH??' #5 is more garbage about Ceku. It should be noted that Agim Ceku has (to my knowledge) never been accused or indicted by the War-Crimes Tribunal. Furthermore, u bring the CIA into the story with NO FURTHER SUBSTANTIATION----all of which smells very fishy indeed... #6 and #7 are interesting in what they say about your idealogical disposition. let me put it this way: If you were trying to be considered a credible source of information about Albanian politics U WOULD HAVE PROVIDED EVIDENCE, ANY EVIDENCE, TO SUBSTANTIATE YOURSELF. INSTEAD U FIRE BUCKSHOT AT EVERY ALBANIAN POLITICAL ENTITY U CAN HALF-AIM AT! IN ALL PETRIT, I AM RETICENT TO DIRECTLY ACCUSE U OF BEING SOME SORT OF HALF-ASSED 'AGENT-PROVOCATEUR', PARTLY BECAUSE IT HURTS TO THINK SOMEONE WOULD TRY AND CONFUSE US WITH PROPAGANDA AS LAME AS YOURS.... ...AND THE OTHER (SMALLER) POSSIBILITY IS THAT U R A WELL-INTENTIONED SLACKER WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND BASIC JOURNALISTIC CONCEPTS AND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE DANGER OF REPEATING HALF-BAKED INFORMATION OR DIS-INFORMATION... ...IT IS TOO SOON TO E-MAIL U DIRECTLY...IT'S BETTER THAT EVERYONE SEE THESE REPLIES PUBLICLY.....IN THE FUTURE PLEASE BE MORE CAREFUL OF FACTS.... JETONI >IN REPLY TO CRITISISM ABOUT SIGURIMI EGROUP > >By egroup owner > >Firstly I would like to say that I fully accept all critism of my egroup. I >beleive that free speech and open democracy is essential in Albanian >society inorder of acheiving peace and democracy. So I'm not going to argue >or be cynical. >To Jeton and Kaltrina I would like to say I respect your responses. > >I beleive that you have a misunderstanding on the purpose of this egroup. >The purpose of this egroup is not to cause controversy or to advertise >something. > >The purpose of this egroup is to inform Albanians about facts that are >being kept secret from them. Examples of these are : > >1. Hashim Thaci killed dozens of his rivals , who were true Albanian >patriots and blammed it on the Serbian police. The rivals include the late >Ahmet Krasniqi who was one of the most respected KLA commanders and >Commander - in - cheif of the splinter KLA organisation FARK ( Armed Forces >of Republic of Kosova ). > >2. The Albanian Mafia has grown to epidemic levels , which now has a >dominating influence in Kosova , Albania and Macedonia. The Albanian Mafia >has an overwhelming share in the Heroin Market in Europe , which some >estimates put at worth $400 billion dollars a year. > >3. There are new secret Albanian organisatios being created such as the >Intelligence Agency of Kosova and the National Eagle , with there stated >aims of liquidating Criminal syndicates from Kosova. The National eagle has >so far executed a prominent Tirana mobster in revenge for his gangs >involvement in the >kidnappings of 42 Kosovar teenage girls in the Gjakova and Decani >districts. > >4. In Ilirida ( Albanian Macedonia ) Albanian militants have created the >ANA ( Albanian National Army ) with its aim of liberating the Albanian >lands from >slav occupation. It wants the macedonian government to declare a mountain >near Tetova as a national park inorder to design it as a training camp. > >5. Agim Ceku , commander - in - cheif of the KPC , was a declared war >criminal for his direct involvement in the massacres of serb civilians in >the Medak offensive in western slavonia. But with help of the Central >Intelligence Agency his file in the hague was deleted. > >6. The only reason why Fatos Nano , leader of the socialist party in >Albania became president was through direct assisstance from Greek and >Serbian Intelligence units based in Tirana. The Greek government donated >$250 million dollars to mr Nano's election campaign. Mr Nano used Zani >Caushi , Notorouis gang leader of a southern city in Albania , Vlora. With >Caushi Nano directed his gang to demolish opposition in southern Albanian >villages who were strongly supportive of the Democratic Party of Albania. >Caushi and his gang even went as far as stood right next to ballot boxes >with AK - 47's and checking ballots before they were inserted into election >boxes. Fortunatly Mr Caushi is serving life imprisonment for several >murders he committed in the city of Vlora. > >7. The Saudi goverment donated $90 million dollars to Mr Berisha. There is >no specific reason for this but two presumtions arrise. (i) The largest >Mosque in Albania is the Sheik Zamil Abdullah Al-Zamil Mosque located in >the city Shkoder was approved after the million dollar transaction. This >mosque is the largest building in northern Albania. or (ii) Sali berisha >allowed >Islamic Jihad Soldiers establish training camps in the region of Tropoja >and Puka , northern Albania. So to train fighter for the balkans to send to >Bosnia and now Chechnya. > >This is only a drops of facts which I have accumalated from the internet. >Unfortuantely this information only appears in Military & Intelligence >Media sources. I beleive that all Albanians need to know about these >secrets inoder to acheive to main objectives. 1. Fully be informed on who >the current and potential leaders really are. and 2. If any Albanian feel >sympathetic to these organisations , than to support them or even join >them. > >I don't wish to slander or deminise any one but just be a another >information soucre for Albanians. > >If you wish to comment on my reply , the egroups or if you have any >comments or complaints please email me directly at PetritAdemi at bigpond.com > >By Petrit Ademi _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From PetritAdemi at bigpond.com Tue Sep 12 02:03:35 2000 From: PetritAdemi at bigpond.com (Petrit Ademi) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 16:03:35 +1000 Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs References: <200009120401.e8C41WJ06942@alb-net.com> Message-ID: <004d01c01c7f$31ae3a60$LocalHost@default> RESPONSE TO JETON Thank you for your comments Jeton , Critisism and Comments must always be obsorbed inorder to rethink and reorganize. Firstly I would like to say that in no way am I anti - Albanian , I consider myself a Nationalist Albanian. Secondly in no way whatsoever is this egroups some sort of mailing list , comparing to Albanews , a well respected Albanian mailing list. Of course alot of the things I put on my egroup might not be fact. I put on my egroup what ever I find associated with these particular topics. In no way am i producing propaganda or misinforamtion. Maybe 50% or even 70% of the stuff on the egroup could be false , I don't know , I'm not a journalist. My analysis is that you are taking this to seriously , the single most important OBJECTIVE of this egroup is to DEBATE. The whole reason why I put this egroup into action is that so all Albanians can send any info whatsoever , substantiated or not , and then debate and comment on these articles , accusations and whatever to the maximum , leaving subscribers with a truck full of different perspectives , opinions , facts and as you say forms of propaganda or disinformation. If you beleive that any information displayed on the egroup is false , disinformation or whatever please email sigurimi at egroups.com and state the facts as you see it. I must say I was extremely OFFENDED by your opinion in your relpy. I would like to say I am stubborn Albanian Nationalist who beleives in the concept of Greater Albania. INSHALLAH this will be acheived one day. Even though I am offended , I will take your accusations dignity. I would like to apologize to anyone who has been offended by my egroup or messages. If you would like to reply to me directly , my email is PetritAdemi at bigpond.com OR reply to the egroup at sigurimi at egroups.com From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 09:47:32 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 09:47:32 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: petrit, HOW DARE YOU CLAIM THAT YOU ARE NOT PRODUCING PROPAGANDA OR DISINFORMATION?! HOW DARE YOU BE OFFENDED AT *ANYTHING* SAID TO YOU? ....WHAT KIND OF IDIOT STATES PLAINLY THAT HE (YOU) *DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FACT-CHECKING OR EVIDENCE AND THEN TRIES TO PRETEND THAT HE (YOU) HAS ONLY *GOOD INTENTIONS* REGARDING ALBANIAN NATIONALISM? ....IF YOU WANT TO PRODUCE AN ALBANIAN "DRUDGEREPORT.COM" WHERE ANY REPORT GETS DISPLAYED THE SECOND IT APPEARS YOU SHOULD HAVE MARKETED IT AS SUCH. BUT YOU CAME FORWARD AND SENT UNSOLICITED SPAM ABOUT YER LITTLE PROPAGANDA GROUP! FIRST U OFFERRED YER HALF-ASSED LIES AS 'TRUTH' UNTIL U WERE CHALLENGED, AND NOW YER A SELF-STYLED 'CONTROVERSIALIST' WHO CARES MORE ABOUT 'OPINION' THAN 'FACTS'!!! CAN U SAY 'AGENT PROVOCATEUR'?? ...AND U TRIED TO CONFIGURE YERSELF TO SEEM LIKE AN LDK MEMBER (ATTACKING EVERYONE BUT IBRAHIM), BUT U KNOW WHAT? I DOUBT YER EVEN ***ALBANIAN***!!!! YER PROBABLY SOME MORONICALLY CONDESCENDING KOMMIE/SERB WHO THOUGHT HE WOULD SEEM ALBANIAN BY INCLUDING LOTS OF MISSPELLINGS! ....IF SOMEHOW, THRU SOME UNLIKELY MIRACLE, U R ACTUALLY A GENUINE ALBANIAN, I HEREBY WELCOME YOUR MOST EXTREME ANGER AND INSULT....BECAUSE ANY "ALBANIAN" WHO WOULD PUT FORTH SOMETHING SO UTTERLY USELESS AND CORRUPT AS AN UNVERIFIED, UNSUBSTANTIATED "ALBANIAN UNDERWORLD REPORT" DESERVES TO BE EMBARRASSED BEFORE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. (I'M TOLD YER FROM AUSTRALIA, OR IS THAT JUST SOMEWHERE U CYBER-ROUTE YERSELF THRU?) YOU WERE 'EXTREMELY OFFENDED' BEFORE....HOW YA LIKE ME NOW, FOOL?! JETONI > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > >RESPONSE TO JETON > >Thank you for your comments Jeton , Critisism and Comments must always be >obsorbed inorder to rethink and reorganize. Firstly I would like to say >that >in no way am I anti - Albanian , I consider myself a Nationalist Albanian. >Secondly in no way whatsoever is this egroups some sort of mailing list , >comparing to Albanews , a well respected Albanian mailing list. Of course >alot of the things I put on my egroup might not be fact. > >I put on my egroup what ever I find associated with these particular >topics. >In no way am i producing propaganda or misinforamtion. Maybe 50% or even >70% >of the stuff on the egroup could be false , I don't know , I'm not a >journalist. > >My analysis is that you are taking this to seriously , the single most >important OBJECTIVE of this egroup is to DEBATE. The whole reason why I >put >this egroup into action is that so all Albanians can send any info >whatsoever , substantiated or not , and then debate and comment on these >articles , accusations and whatever to the maximum , leaving subscribers >with a truck full of different perspectives , opinions , facts and as you >say forms of propaganda or disinformation. > >If you beleive that any information displayed on the egroup is false , >disinformation or whatever please email sigurimi at egroups.com and state the >facts as you see it. > >I must say I was extremely OFFENDED by your opinion in your relpy. I would >like to say I am stubborn Albanian Nationalist who beleives in the concept >of Greater Albania. INSHALLAH this will be acheived one day. > >Even though I am offended , I will take your accusations dignity. > >I would like to apologize to anyone who has been offended by my egroup or >messages. > >If you would like to reply to me directly , my email is >PetritAdemi at bigpond.com > >OR reply to the egroup at sigurimi at egroups.com > > > > > >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From vbelegu at hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 11:37:56 2000 From: vbelegu at hotmail.com (Visar Belegu) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:37:56 CDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: To everyone, An opinion is an opinion, and everyone is entiteled to one or more; if they so choose they can even change it or them. If someone states an opinion without substantial evidence - "substantial evidence" is of course a relative term - than it is an opinion, not fact. However, we should all have in mind that sometimes even a fact cannot be proven, and that does not make it less real. The point is, everyone has an agenda, and they should strive to promote it, through non-violent ways of course. Even though we, sometimes, might not agree with what someone says or believes, we should not be "offended" by it, and we should also be able to discuss it in a rational manner. Most Albanians have gone through hard times in the past two decades so we should be aware of this, however, under any circumstaces we should not and cannot allow for anything to stand in the way of freedom of expression, for this will criple any attempt of establishing true democracy in Albanian lands. This note is not an attempt to take sides on the issue some members have been discussing, rather it is in attempt to inform you that your discussion seems more like an argument then an intellegent exchange of opinions. Visar Belegu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 13:18:03 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:18:03 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: Visar, i appreciate your thought and effort in attempting to lower the temperature i purposefully raised. i understand the need for civility in discussions of any kind. i simply don't expect further discussion with 'petrit' to be viable. i jettisoned that civility when rebutting 'petrit ademi' because experience has taught me that sometimes rudeness is a necessary short-cut when dealing with propagandists. furthermore, i was (and am) fully prepared to politely discuss the most extreme report/rumor/accusation/innuendo, with Albanians of every stripe and with *well-intentioned or truth-intentioned* outsiders. i mean to say that "petrit" can argue as unscrupulously as he pleases AS LONG AS I BUY THE IDEA THAT HE'S ALBANIAN (in which case i can at least abstractly infer that there is altruism of some kind in his actions), BUT WHEN HE LEAVES THE TELL-TALE ARGUMENTATIVE TRACES OF AN ANTI-ALBANIAN BULLSHIT ARTIST I FEEL NO NEED TO FIDGET IN MY SEAT WHILE HE SPAMS AGIT-PROP! Visar, i hereby invite u (and anyone else) to enter into any sort of discussion with "petrit" that u can stand. if he's on the up n up and/or has some valuable information he merely fails to commmunicate HERE, fine. i'd be happy to read of it. Perhaps i made him feel too defensive to unfurl the revelatory commentary he'd otherwise offer? Let me put it this way: at best he's an irresponsible journalist of the Matt-Drudge-on-crack variety (in which case he should toughen up 'cuz there's more where this came from) and at worst he's some Spook/Asshole working for who knows, and deserves to be exposed (and in which case his 'feelings' don't matter) I trust my instincts. I have no intention of giving free-rides to puerile spammers of any description. A "fact" may be impossible to prove but it should not be impossible to argue... failing that the spammer should have the good sense to label his shit 'Shit', or face the Flaming he so rightfully deserves...... BTW, Freedom of Expression does not prevent Freedom of Rebuttal, it guarantees it! JETONI Post Scriptum: Visar, sometimes we absolutely Must be offended. It's part of being a living human. It's part of being a good person. PEACE > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > To everyone, > > An opinion is an opinion, and everyone is entiteled to one or more; >if >they so choose they can even change it or them. If someone states an >opinion without substantial evidence - "substantial evidence" is of course >a >relative term - than it is an opinion, not fact. However, we should all >have in mind that sometimes even a fact cannot be proven, and that does not >make it less real. > The point is, everyone has an agenda, and they should strive to >promote it, through non-violent ways of course. Even though we, sometimes, >might not agree with what someone says or believes, we should not be >"offended" by it, and we should also be able to discuss it in a rational >manner. Most Albanians have gone through hard times in the past two >decades >so we should be aware of this, however, under any circumstaces we should >not >and cannot allow for anything to stand in the way of freedom of expression, >for this will criple any attempt of establishing true democracy in Albanian >lands. > This note is not an attempt to take sides on the issue some members >have been discussing, rather it is in attempt to inform you that your >discussion seems more like an argument then an intellegent exchange of >opinions. > > > Visar Belegu >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From kaltrinaa at hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 16:54:46 2000 From: kaltrinaa at hotmail.com (Kaltrina Baraliu) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:54:46 GMT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: Hi everybody, The guy posted something that he wanted to do...so it is fruitless to still continue babbling about it. Each person is allowed to have freedom of speech and if you don't agree with someone's opinion you don't necessary have to be anal about it. I keep getting 7-10 e-mails a day regarding this issue and I honestly am starting to get really tired of it.I don't think that there is a need to continue this discussion anymore... If you want to join the albanian mafia, or whatever that crap was...go ahead... if not, you voiced your opinions once, and there is no need to repeat it again; we are intelligent human beings and can understand with the first time... Sincerely, Kaltrina _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From Azekthi at aol.com Tue Sep 12 17:07:26 2000 From: Azekthi at aol.com (Azekthi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:07:26 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism Message-ID: <5e.894dbb.26eff50e@aol.com> I don't know haw you got my e-mail but i don't like you tu e-mail me anything. Please sign me off your list. From Azekthi at aol.com Tue Sep 12 17:08:45 2000 From: Azekthi at aol.com (Azekthi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:08:45 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] In response to critisism Message-ID: <56.89163e.26eff55d@aol.com> I don't wont you to e-mail me . Please take my name off your list From Azekthi at aol.com Tue Sep 12 17:10:38 2000 From: Azekthi at aol.com (Azekthi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:10:38 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <9.a7d6dce.26eff5ce@aol.com> Please don't e-mail me anything.Take my name off your list. From Azekthi at aol.com Tue Sep 12 17:13:47 2000 From: Azekthi at aol.com (Azekthi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:13:47 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <69.a58c346.26eff68b@aol.com> Please don't e-mail me From Azekthi at aol.com Tue Sep 12 17:16:36 2000 From: Azekthi at aol.com (Azekthi at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:16:36 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: <7c.ad4564d.26eff734@aol.com> Please don't e-mail me. Take off my name from your list. From jeton at hotmail.com Tue Sep 12 17:33:59 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:33:59 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] Re: NYC-L digest, Vol 1 #40 - 3 msgs Message-ID: hey Kaltrina, did your prozac wear off or something? The 'argument' had just ended when u posted the tidbitz below. calling this a 'freedom of speech' issue and implying i was being 'anal' because i sliced n diced somebody's unsolicited agit-prop (the same agit-prop u previously chimed in to condemn YOURSELF) makes me think that Kaltrina Baraliu's beliefs don't mean as much to her (u) as her *social posture* does... Sincerely wondering why u veered off into this "I'm Soooo sick of this/I'm Sooooo above this" posture....., Jetoni > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > >Hi everybody, >The guy posted something that he wanted to do...so it is fruitless to still >continue babbling about it. Each person is allowed to have freedom of >speech >and if you don't agree with someone's opinion you don't necessary have to >be >anal about it. I keep getting 7-10 e-mails a day regarding this issue and I >honestly am starting to get really tired of it.I don't think that there is >a >need to continue this discussion anymore... If you want to join the >albanian >mafia, or whatever that crap was...go ahead... if not, you voiced your >opinions once, and there is no need to repeat it again; we are intelligent >human beings and can understand with the first time... >Sincerely, >Kaltrina > > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > >____________________________________________________ >NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the >Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. >To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com >For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From PetritAdemi at bigpond.com Tue Sep 12 20:12:04 2000 From: PetritAdemi at bigpond.com (Petrit Ademi) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:12:04 +1000 Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: <002601c01d17$496b5c80$edd336cb@default> IN REPLY ...... I would like to start off by saying , I started this particular egroup with a goal. Which was to add as many users onto my list as possible. Only 25 % of the of my goal has been achieved. Well , Well its about time someone chucked a psycho. Everyone one give it up for Jeton. I am pissed off you called me a fool , but I started it , so that's what I get. I wanted to stir some trouble from the start but unfortunately non has come through , except for a the one and only Jeton. I was expecting threats and viruses coming at full force , but there was only a few comments and remarks. Lets step back in time to a few ALLEGATIONS I made previously : 1. Lets start with Mr Thaci. Produced before a so called 'FACT' or sentence saying that Mr Thaci was this and that , Drug Dealer , Gun Runner etc. BUT I think this would be quite difficult for Mr Thaci to do while he was studying at a university in Switzerland. Well if he did his one hell of a magician. The on the ALLEGATION was that he took out some of his rivals , weeeeelllll , as Jeton say I have nothing to PROVE that ......My opinion is that 1. Mr Thaci is from Drenica , which means his 100% Albanian , There's no way he could of killed all those rival commanders and walked away with out a scratch , remember Kosova is the land of BESA and blood is payed back with blood. Hashim was there when shit came to fuck , when bullets where flying diagonal and horizontally , shells were landing left and right and Albanians were dying , he was on the ground givin the serbs hell , many of his family members died in ferocious battles with enemy forces. 2. Now with Mr Ceku , Is he a war criminal ????LLLLLOOOOLLLLLL , How can he be a war criminal if his army didn't commit any warcrimes ....... To serbs if an 6 year Albanian his holding a knife , then his a terrorist , if his holding a gun then his a dangerous terrorist and if he defends himself with the gun then his a war criminal. FACT , Mr Ceku was a brigadier general in the Croatian army , with his experience he accumulated decisive know how and skills inorder to be ready for the war to come in Kosova. As soon as Ceku became UCK Commander , he switched the tempo into full force , liberating Mt. Pashtriku in the Dukagjin Plains adjacent to the city of Gjakova. Overall Agim Ceku is a Kosovar hero. 3. Now with Mr Berisha , did he receive $90 million dollars from the Saudi's , yes he did , but so what , Nano got $250 million from the Greeks , Since 97 with the pyramid schemes and until now Sali is the best man for the job in Albania. Sali is internationally respected and is the only one with the courage to stand up for the Cham's , and demand the restoration of Chameria to prior glory. Chameria ( Northern Greece ) was once roamed by the Great Albanian legend Ali Pasha Telepena , He ruled a enormous peice of Northern Greece. From the Albanian border to the Ionian coast all the way to the city of Arta was a land called Chameria. Until in WW2 the Greek Goverment ethnically cleansed all Albanians from these regions. Secondly did Sali have anything to do with Islamic groups in Bosnia and so on , well I hope he did , I think its our duty to support our brothers in Chechnya and Bosnia in there struggles against tyranny and oppression and even though we are a multi - religious nation , 90% of Albanian are Muslims. LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH , MUHAMMADAN RASULLALLAH. 4. And finally is there an so called 'ANA' in Ilirida ????? Well I hope so cause I'II be lining up to join. Now I knew from the start , if I was to say state FACTS on an Albanian forum , I would caused contreversy , WELL OF COURSE. I was suprised no one nuked me. If someone has the nerve to jump on an Albanian forum and make crazy statements then he should be nuked ....... but unfortunately I only got remarks. Well done Mr Jeton , I was getting worried , I thought there wasn't any patriotic Albanians on the forum , but you have proven yourself as a full on UCK Soldier. I put this egroup into action like 2 or 3 weeks ago , I thought if I just sent a URL around to all the Albanian mailing lists , then everybody would jump on , 1 , 2 , 3 days passed and no one joined. So I said I'II change the Advert for the egroup , and make it a bit more provocative. I knew straight away when I started with these issues , I was gonna stir up allot of trouble , but surprisingly not much criticism surfaced. I thought I gotta stir something to make something , so I said which out of all the Albanian forums would be the most nationalist and dangerous , first thing that came to mind was an American - Albanian Forum , so I choose NYC-L . I inserted a few fabricated facts and in 2 days I got like 9 members. I would of liked more but hey , that's life. Now coming back to Mr Jeton , Your one ball - breaker man , calling me a fool , now that's rough. I would like to comment on your previous reply , When you counter attacked my statement on Mr Thaci , I freaked out , that was fuckin good , straight away you new the exact article I was talking , the heading , author everything , I gotta say that's pretty good. Is most of the stuff about the Albanian serb propaganda , LLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLL , what do you think , OF COURSE IT IS !!!! Go to any search engine type in Albanian mafia , then look at the address of every article , serb this serb that , all serb websites , nobody else talks about the Albanian Mafia. There is an Albanian Mafia but so what , who hasn't got a Mafia. There is even a Jewish Mafia in Antwerp in Netherlands. My egoup is sigurimi at egroup.com , It talks about all this stuff , anything that is Albanian and dangeous its talked about on this egroup. I invite all you to join especially Jeton , I'm dying to debate with you , you shown that you have an in-depth knowledge of current and crucial Albanians issues. If anyone is upset by the previous comments I made , I'm sorry , to make it up to all of you's , especially Jeton LLLLLOOOOLLLL I'II will send 63 UCK pictures to this forum for everyone to have. ASSALAM WALAIKUM RAHMATULLALLAH WE BERAKATU FALEMNDERIT DHE DITEN E MIRE Petrit Ademi PetritAdemi at bigpond.com -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From costantin at free.fr Wed Sep 13 05:30:56 2000 From: costantin at free.fr (dk) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:56 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] dont' be worry Kaltrina References: <002601c01d17$496b5c80$edd336cb@default> Message-ID: <007901c01d65$b70f27a0$2619e4d5@oemcomputer> Hi, dont'be worry Kaltrina. The problem is if you cut this discussion in this way all people take only a hallf of ours opinions: the opinions or the truths of mr Petrit. Freedom of speech in not freedom to lie or not only for liars. I belive mr. Petriti is very hapy if you *starting to get really tired* God thanks, the website is open for oll people. You right *you voiced your opinions once, and there in no need to repeat it again* But, mr Petriti dont say "my opinion is that albanian people are criminels, mafiosus, all albanian politicians corrupt and bribed*. He say he have same facts about this. Well I have same another facts. For exemple, the saudits began to built mosque in shkodra un year before Berisha get in power. This is a fact that you can prove. First try and then trust. Once about your *each person is allowed to have freedom*. Yes! But you live in US and in the Constitution of this wonderfull country is wright also something about the freedom of others.So there are same democratic limits... Mr Petriti tell somethings about *jihad soldiers* in north of Albania. But Mr Dan Everts chief of a branch of Helsinki Wach (after many years i Albania, he now he work in Kosova) declared many times that there are not foregn militants or soldiers in albania and in Kosova.This is a fact that mr Petriti can prove and find in many raports of international organisations. But people all over the world know very well that russian soldiers criminels has killd kosova's chilldrens. This is a fact that mr Petriti can prove. There are many fact like this, and in in honur of albanian to hit an face to mr Petrit. IS eanough for us the pain, distress, misery and agony that us inoculate the situation of our country. If mr Petriti have same free time why dont take initiative to gather between us same mony to built a creche for children in Albania or in Kosova? Is more usefull then its bizarre website and ideas... Sorry for my bad english. Is first time in my live that I wright in this language... Your Grace mr Petrit. cen Kavaja (Kuptohet pseudonim. Kam frike te tregoj emrin kur kam para njerez te tilla permasave) ----- Original Message ----- From: Petrit Ademi To: nyc-l at alb-net.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 2:12 AM Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) IN REPLY ...... I would like to start off by saying , I started this particular egroup with a goal. Which was to add as many users onto my list as possible. Only 25 % of the of my goal has been achieved. Well , Well its about time someone chucked a psycho. Everyone one give it up for Jeton. I am pissed off you called me a fool , but I started it , so that's what I get. I wanted to stir some trouble from the start but unfortunately non has come through , except for a the one and only Jeton. I was expecting threats and viruses coming at full force , but there was only a few comments and remarks. Lets step back in time to a few ALLEGATIONS I made previously : 1. Lets start with Mr Thaci. Produced before a so called 'FACT' or sentence saying that Mr Thaci was this and that , Drug Dealer , Gun Runner etc. BUT I think this would be quite difficult for Mr Thaci to do while he was studying at a university in Switzerland. Well if he did his one hell of a magician. The on the ALLEGATION was that he took out some of his rivals , weeeeelllll , as Jeton say I have nothing to PROVE that ......My opinion is that 1. Mr Thaci is from Drenica , which means his 100% Albanian , There's no way he could of killed all those rival commanders and walked away with out a scratch , remember Kosova is the land of BESA and blood is payed back with blood. Hashim was there when shit came to fuck , when bullets where flying diagonal and horizontally , shells were landing left and right and Albanians were dying , he was on the ground givin the serbs hell , many of his family members died in ferocious battles with enemy forces. 2. Now with Mr Ceku , Is he a war criminal ????LLLLLOOOOLLLLLL , How can he be a war criminal if his army didn't commit any warcrimes ....... To serbs if an 6 year Albanian his holding a knife , then his a terrorist , if his holding a gun then his a dangerous terrorist and if he defends himself with the gun then his a war criminal. FACT , Mr Ceku was a brigadier general in the Croatian army , with his experience he accumulated decisive know how and skills inorder to be ready for the war to come in Kosova. As soon as Ceku became UCK Commander , he switched the tempo into full force , liberating Mt. Pashtriku in the Dukagjin Plains adjacent to the city of Gjakova. Overall Agim Ceku is a Kosovar hero. 3. Now with Mr Berisha , did he receive $90 million dollars from the Saudi's , yes he did , but so what , Nano got $250 million from the Greeks , Since 97 with the pyramid schemes and until now Sali is the best man for the job in Albania. Sali is internationally respected and is the only one with the courage to stand up for the Cham's , and demand the restoration of Chameria to prior glory. Chameria ( Northern Greece ) was once roamed by the Great Albanian legend Ali Pasha Telepena , He ruled a enormous peice of Northern Greece. From the Albanian border to the Ionian coast all the way to the city of Arta was a land called Chameria. Until in WW2 the Greek Goverment ethnically cleansed all Albanians from these regions. Secondly did Sali have anything to do with Islamic groups in Bosnia and so on , well I hope he did , I think its our duty to support our brothers in Chechnya and Bosnia in there struggles against tyranny and oppression and even though we are a multi - religious nation , 90% of Albanian are Muslims. LA ILLAHA ILLALLAH , MUHAMMADAN RASULLALLAH. 4. And finally is there an so called 'ANA' in Ilirida ????? Well I hope so cause I'II be lining up to join. Now I knew from the start , if I was to say state FACTS on an Albanian forum , I would caused contreversy , WELL OF COURSE. I was suprised no one nuked me. If someone has the nerve to jump on an Albanian forum and make crazy statements then he should be nuked ....... but unfortunately I only got remarks. Well done Mr Jeton , I was getting worried , I thought there wasn't any patriotic Albanians on the forum , but you have proven yourself as a full on UCK Soldier. I put this egroup into action like 2 or 3 weeks ago , I thought if I just sent a URL around to all the Albanian mailing lists , then everybody would jump on , 1 , 2 , 3 days passed and no one joined. So I said I'II change the Advert for the egroup , and make it a bit more provocative. I knew straight away when I started with these issues , I was gonna stir up allot of trouble , but surprisingly not much criticism surfaced. I thought I gotta stir something to make something , so I said which out of all the Albanian forums would be the most nationalist and dangerous , first thing that came to mind was an American - Albanian Forum , so I choose NYC-L . I inserted a few fabricated facts and in 2 days I got like 9 members. I would of liked more but hey , that's life. Now coming back to Mr Jeton , Your one ball - breaker man , calling me a fool , now that's rough. I would like to comment on your previous reply , When you counter attacked my statement on Mr Thaci , I freaked out , that was fuckin good , straight away you new the exact article I was talking , the heading , author everything , I gotta say that's pretty good. Is most of the stuff about the Albanian serb propaganda , LLLLOOOOOLLLLLLLL , what do you think , OF COURSE IT IS !!!! Go to any search engine type in Albanian mafia , then look at the address of every article , serb this serb that , all serb websites , nobody else talks about the Albanian Mafia. There is an Albanian Mafia but so what , who hasn't got a Mafia. There is even a Jewish Mafia in Antwerp in Netherlands. My egoup is sigurimi at egroup.com , It talks about all this stuff , anything that is Albanian and dangeous its talked about on this egroup. I invite all you to join especially Jeton , I'm dying to debate with you , you shown that you have an in-depth knowledge of current and crucial Albanians issues. If anyone is upset by the previous comments I made , I'm sorry , to make it up to all of you's , especially Jeton LLLLLOOOOLLLL I'II will send 63 UCK pictures to this forum for everyone to have. ASSALAM WALAIKUM RAHMATULLALLAH WE BERAKATU FALEMNDERIT DHE DITEN E MIRE Petrit Ademi PetritAdemi at bigpond.com -------------- next part -------------- HTML attachment scrubbed and removed From jeton at hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 14:26:42 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:26:42 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: hey petrit, interesting e-mails, and while i consider my responses to them (the one u sent to the list and the one u sent to me direct) i have one question: ...u wouldn't happen to know why i couldn't connect to ANY Microsoft site from my regular ISP (the one i've typically used to respond to NYC-L), hmmmmm? u see i noticed yer description of yur virus writing skilz, n wondered if u might not have, uhm, *accidentally* trashed my regular ISP? ...i would shudder to think that anyone else subscribing to yer list might get the same 'treatment', so what gives? Jetoni PS: (per petrit's invitation:) anybody know a 'petrit ademi' out there? and for those who do, does anyone in nyc know you? cuz i'd be DELIGHTED to verify petrit's bona-fides. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From jeton at hotmail.com Wed Sep 13 14:26:44 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:26:44 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: hey petrit, interesting e-mails, and while i consider my responses to them (the one u sent to the list and the one u sent to me direct) i have one question: ...u wouldn't happen to know why i couldn't connect to ANY Microsoft site from my regular ISP (the one i've typically used to respond to NYC-L), hmmmmm? u see i noticed yer description of yur virus writing skilz, n wondered if u might not have, uhm, *accidentally* trashed my regular ISP? ...i would shudder to think that anyone else subscribing to yer list might get the same 'treatment', so what gives? Jetoni PS: (per petrit's invitation:) anybody know a 'petrit ademi' out there? and for those who do, does anyone in nyc know you? cuz i'd be DELIGHTED to verify petrit's bona-fides. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From eb246 at columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 15:41:37 2000 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] Kosovo documentary (fwd) Message-ID: If you need directions send a message to me. See you there. ****************************************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Lara Jane Nettelfield To: othereurope at columbia.edu Subject: Kosovo documentary The Harriman Institute and SILPIA would like to invite you to a screening of a documentary titled: KOSOVA - from the darkest spring Testimony of war crimes Wednesday, September 20th, 2000 6:30pm (Film starts at 6:45pm. Discussion to follow.) Columbia University Room 1219 IAB (International Affairs Building) When NATO's troops advanced over the border to Kosova in the summer of 1999, it became possible to investigate and document war crimes committed during the campaign of ethnic cleansing that the Serbian authorities had instigated. Together with forensic pathologists and technicians from Kosova's Commission for the Missing, Maria Warsinski followed the work to identify victims of the war and uncover evidence for future war crimes trials. Every day in Kosova, she met people who told their dramatic stories of how they fled persecution and massacres, and how they saw their loved ones taken away. Many of these people are still searching for their relatives and friends. Others are helping the pathologists with the identification of family members. The film documents this grim reality for three months during the summer and autumn of 1999, resulting in a documentary that is a testimony of what happened in Kosova from March until July 1999. Maria Warsinski will be attend the screening. Albanian with English subtitles 58 minutes Maria Warsinski's earlier documentary "Crimes and Punishment - War Crimes in Srebrenica" (1995) was shown at the Human Rights Watch Film Festival in New York City in June, 1999. If you have any questions regarding this event, please contact Lara Nettelfield at ljn9 at columbia.edu. From PetritAdemi at bigpond.com Thu Sep 14 03:23:45 2000 From: PetritAdemi at bigpond.com (Petrit Ademi) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:23:45 +1000 Subject: [NYC-L] NEWS FLASH References: <200009140401.e8E41jU02863@alb-net.com> Message-ID: <001401c01e1c$d704afa0$31e136cb@default> NEWS FLASH !!!!!! Sigurimi egroup has been eliminated ...... Why ? Well for one reason , I started an egroup to get heaps of Albanians on , I thought if I put a DaNgErOuS Topics , everybody would jump on , but only a few people did , then I started a little contrevery , with a few frabricated and false statements as we you know ..... and only 14 people joined . Well thats not the reason why I deleted the group , 2 people wanted to join , but there emails were funny , they weren't Albanian , I emailed them to see why they wanted to join , one was from portugal but the other one , I'm not sure of .... Well to cut to the chase they somehow found the egroup , I don't know how and said they wanted to join because they thought the topics being disscussed were very interesting , then I asked what they were gonna do with the info I was gonna send them , they said send it to all there freinds .... NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL DANGEROUS , its allright if Albanian jump on the list coz , straight off they know its all bull+@*% , but if a non - Albanian reads this , then passes it around like chain mail , then this will create a devasting STEREOTYPE of Albanians , which I was not going to let happen. So the solution was to delete the egroup. But thats not the end of my egroup career , I'm planning to create 3 more egroups , they are going to be : 1. AlbaBizNess 2. AlbaSwap 3. SportiShqiptar OR AlbaSport If you didn't know there are like 400,000 business that have to be registered , I don't know about you but to me thats incredible , Kosova is gonna turn into the HongKong of Europe. AlbaBizNess will be a egroup where any business albanian , with address , contact info and location will be distributed weekly , No charges , completely free .... Alot info is gonna come from 2 sites : 1. http://www.albanianyellowpages.com/ 2. http://www.kosovayeallowpages.com/ AlbaSwap will be a egroup where every single Albanian picture ( nothing over the top ) will be distributed , I've got like 780 Albanian pics in my database. ranging from 63 KLA pics , 200 pics of Albania , 290 of Kosova , and alot more other stuff like Albanian backgrounds , Shqiponja Cursor , heaps of Albanian MP3's and etc AlbaSport will have heaps of info about Albanians in Sport all around the world ..... Example : check out http://www.luankrasniqi.com/ Albanian boxer from Junik who won a gold medal for Germany .... My egroup career comenced around 2 weeks ago , I have had a BIZARRE start , but now with a little experience up my sleeve , I'm doing complete change over ..... To everybody that hated sigurimi , no need to worry it finished , check for you self at http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi . There has been alot action on this forum for the past , its been like the Albanian Gerry Springer Show of the Internet .... And just to reassure constantin , YES , you are right , the facts which I stated previously are completely false , so no need to worry .... Finally I'm gonna try to start a kind of Albanian chain letter. So far I've got like 347 links on the internet to Albanian sites , I want to develop it to make it look good then start sending it around , If anybody would like to help in this task please email at PetritAdemi at bigpon.com Its been a crazy week , but hey thats life : ))))))) Assalam Walaikum Noten e Mire To Everyone ..... P.A From jeton at hotmail.com Thu Sep 14 13:07:08 2000 From: jeton at hotmail.com (jeton ademaj) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:07:08 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: hey people, .....did anyone notice a circus freakshow come careening thru this list the last few dAzE, or did i just imagine it all? tung ;) Jetoni _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From costantin at free.fr Thu Sep 14 13:12:51 2000 From: costantin at free.fr (CK) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:12:51 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] NEWS FLASH References: <200009140401.e8E41jU02863@alb-net.com> <001401c01e1c$d704afa0$31e136cb@default> Message-ID: <005301c01e6f$9f424f20$7319e4d5@oemcomputer> This is the best think that you have done never Now you have same chance to avoid the hell (in english and in albanian sens) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petrit Ademi" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: [NYC-L] NEWS FLASH > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > NEWS FLASH !!!!!! > > Sigurimi egroup has been eliminated ...... > > Why ? Well for one reason , I started an egroup to get heaps of Albanians on > , I thought if I put a DaNgErOuS Topics , everybody would jump on , but only > a few people did , then I started a little contrevery , with a few > frabricated and false statements as we you know ..... and only 14 people > joined . > > Well thats not the reason why I deleted the group , 2 people wanted to join > , but there emails were funny , they weren't Albanian , I emailed them to > see why they wanted to join , one was from portugal but the other one , I'm > not sure of .... > > Well to cut to the chase they somehow found the egroup , I don't know how > and said they wanted to join because they thought the topics being > disscussed were very interesting , then I asked what they were gonna do with > the info I was gonna send them , they said send it to all there freinds .... > > NOW THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL DANGEROUS , its allright if Albanian jump on the > list coz , straight off they know its all bull+@*% , but if a non - Albanian > reads this , then passes it around like chain mail , then this will create a > devasting STEREOTYPE of Albanians , which I was not going to let happen. > > So the solution was to delete the egroup. But thats not the end of my egroup > career , I'm planning to create 3 more egroups , they are going to be : > > 1. AlbaBizNess > 2. AlbaSwap > 3. SportiShqiptar OR AlbaSport > > If you didn't know there are like 400,000 business that have to be > registered , I don't know about you but to me thats incredible , Kosova is > gonna turn into the HongKong of Europe. AlbaBizNess will be a egroup where > any business albanian , with address , contact info and location will be > distributed weekly , No charges , completely free .... > > Alot info is gonna come from 2 sites : > > 1. http://www.albanianyellowpages.com/ > 2. http://www.kosovayeallowpages.com/ > > AlbaSwap will be a egroup where every single Albanian picture ( nothing over > the top ) will be distributed , I've got like 780 Albanian pics in my > database. ranging from 63 KLA pics , 200 pics of Albania , 290 of Kosova , > and alot more other stuff like Albanian backgrounds , Shqiponja Cursor , > heaps of Albanian MP3's and etc > > AlbaSport will have heaps of info about Albanians in Sport all around the > world ..... > > Example : check out http://www.luankrasniqi.com/ > > Albanian boxer from Junik who won a gold medal for Germany .... > > My egroup career comenced around 2 weeks ago , I have had a BIZARRE start , > but now with a little experience up my sleeve , I'm doing complete change > over ..... > > To everybody that hated sigurimi , no need to worry it finished , check for > you self at http://www.egroups.com/group/sigurimi . There has been alot > action on this forum for the past , its been like the Albanian Gerry > Springer Show of the Internet .... > > And just to reassure constantin , YES , you are right , the facts which I > stated previously are completely false , so no need to worry .... > > Finally I'm gonna try to start a kind of Albanian chain letter. So far I've > got like 347 links on the internet to Albanian sites , I want to develop it > to make it look good then start sending it around , If anybody would like to > help in this task please email at PetritAdemi at bigpon.com > > Its been a crazy week , but hey thats life : ))))))) > > Assalam Walaikum > > Noten e Mire To Everyone ..... > > P.A > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > > From hisai at juno.com Wed Sep 13 17:15:23 2000 From: hisai at juno.com (Hatixhe Isai) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:15:23 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000914.212432.-218821.0.hisai@juno.com> Someone do me a hugeeee favor....Please get me off your alb-net list! ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From aimami at worldnet.att.net Thu Sep 14 20:43:29 2000 From: aimami at worldnet.att.net (Admir Imami) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:43:29 -0400 Subject: [NYC-L] For List Admin Personel References: Message-ID: <00f801c01ec3$fb5e6f60$30c3580c@default> Hello Guys: Can someone who is administering this list, remove my e-mail address. I am using this e-mail address for work purposes. Thank you for your cooperation. Regards, Admir Imami ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeton ademaj" To: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 1:07 PM Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) > === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === > > hey people, > > .....did anyone notice a circus freakshow come careening thru this list the > last few dAzE, or did i just imagine it all? > > tung ;) > > Jetoni > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > ____________________________________________________ > NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the > Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. > To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com > For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l > From Dea2608 at aol.com Thu Sep 14 23:59:06 2000 From: Dea2608 at aol.com (Dea2608 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:59:06 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] For List Admin Personel Message-ID: <23.eb0394.26f2f88a@aol.com> me nje fjale kjo liste me mire te mos ekzistoje? Per cfare do e perdorim kete liste nqs ajo do ekzistoje? << NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum >> From GJON77 at aol.com Tue Sep 12 12:17:44 2000 From: GJON77 at aol.com (GJON77 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:17:44 EDT Subject: [NYC-L] AASO CULTURAL CONCERT Message-ID: <63.af8f709.26efb128@aol.com> Dear Fellow Albanians, The Albanian American Student Organization (AASO) @ Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan would like to invite you to our Second Annual Albanian Cultural Concert. Last year's Concert raised $12,000 in relief money for Kosovar Refugee's and this year the AASO is benefiting another noble cause: The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund. The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund was established by the AASO to support young ALbanians who want to pursue a higher education but may not have the means to do so. This year the AASO will awarde $6,000 in scholarship money. Hopefully, with your support the numbers will grow. The Concert includes singing performances by Gezim Nika, Viollca Luka, Luke Juncaj, and Lindon Gjelaj. A beautiful cultural dancing exhibition choreographed by famed Albanian ballerina Joli Paparisto. Also, hilarious skits by our student members depicting the difficulties Albanians face when "fitting into American culture"; from finding work to raising a family. Plus, much much more!! DATE: Sunday September 24th TIME: 7 PM LOCATION: Fitzgerald Auditiorium Warren, Michigan (9 Mile and Ryan) TICKETS: $20 all proceeds to benefit The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund For more information contact Gjon Juncaj at 877-336-7870 (voicemail) or Gjon77 at aol.com. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. From mentor at alb-net.com Fri Sep 15 09:43:56 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] The purpose of this list Message-ID: Dear all, Please note that as of this moment this list (NYC-L at alb-net.com) has been put under moderation. This move was necessary due to the fact that some list members misused the list. Since the list is under moderation, ONLY the messages that pertain to the purpose of this list will be distributed. For information on the role and purpose of this list please visit: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l thanks, Mentor From vbelegu at hotmail.com Fri Sep 15 16:22:43 2000 From: vbelegu at hotmail.com (Visar Belegu) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:22:43 CDT Subject: [NYC-L] (no subject) Message-ID: To Whom It May Concern, If anyone has information about scholarships awarded to Albanian students, could you please list them, and also list a contact person or a website were more detalied information can be gained by those in need of financial assistance. I know that a lot of people that came to the US as refugees have the option of getting some type of financial assistance from the US government, however there are a few students that do not have a permenant status or political asylum in the US, and these students are not eligible for any financial aid. Most of these kids depend on money that they can obtain form private sources based on their preformance, academic or otherwise. Contemplating the financing of ones eduction, at a young age and focusing on grades, can be a difficult thing, therefore we need to do more in getting information about available funds to kids that REALLY NEED the money. Visar Belegu _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From eb246 at columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 14:01:51 2000 From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [NYC-L] AASO CULTURAL CONCERT (fwd) Message-ID: Good for them. This what we in NY should be talking about and not have e-mail fights. ****************************************************************** ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:17:44 EDT From: GJON77 at aol.com Reply-To: nyc-l at alb-net.com To: nyc-l at alb-net.com Subject: [NYC-L] AASO CULTURAL CONCERT === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum === Dear Fellow Albanians, The Albanian American Student Organization (AASO) @ Wayne State University, Detroit, Michigan would like to invite you to our Second Annual Albanian Cultural Concert. Last year's Concert raised $12,000 in relief money for Kosovar Refugee's and this year the AASO is benefiting another noble cause: The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund. The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund was established by the AASO to support young ALbanians who want to pursue a higher education but may not have the means to do so. This year the AASO will awarde $6,000 in scholarship money. Hopefully, with your support the numbers will grow. The Concert includes singing performances by Gezim Nika, Viollca Luka, Luke Juncaj, and Lindon Gjelaj. A beautiful cultural dancing exhibition choreographed by famed Albanian ballerina Joli Paparisto. Also, hilarious skits by our student members depicting the difficulties Albanians face when "fitting into American culture"; from finding work to raising a family. Plus, much much more!! DATE: Sunday September 24th TIME: 7 PM LOCATION: Fitzgerald Auditiorium Warren, Michigan (9 Mile and Ryan) TICKETS: $20 all proceeds to benefit The Gjergj Kastrioti Scholarship Fund For more information contact Gjon Juncaj at 877-336-7870 (voicemail) or Gjon77 at aol.com. WE HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. ____________________________________________________ NYC-L: A discussion and information list of the Albanian community in the New York City Metro Area. To post to the list: NYC-L at alb-net.com For more information: http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l From pulab at gusun.georgetown.edu Mon Sep 18 16:28:50 2000 From: pulab at gusun.georgetown.edu (Besnik Pula) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:28:50 +0200 Subject: [NYC-L] protest In-Reply-To: <39C532B5.14CFF990@bndlg.de> Message-ID: To the Foreign News Editor Dear editor: I was very much apalled to see your news agency help spread grossly unsubstantiated and utterly racist claims made by Macedonian former communists regarding the alleged "explosion" of organized crime rings in Kosova ("Concern In Macedonia At Explosion Of Crime In Kosovo", Sep. 17). The supposed "experts" that your news agency quotes are three former officials of the Macedonian state, whom are now out of office and whose political party is vying for power in this election year in FYROM. By helping these politically bankrupt officials spread their anti-Albanian racism, your news agency turned into a mouthpiece of Macedonia's former communists' electioneering with their nationalist agenda. Macedonia's record in its treatment of its Albanian population is quite poor, and was especially disastrous during Mr. Gligorov's rule. His tacit support of Yugoslav president Slobodan Milosevic's repressive policies in neighboring Kosova during the last decade was obvious to most observers of Balkan politics. It is no surprise that Mr. Gligorov and his former cronies speak in this grossly overgeneralizing and defaming manner about Albanians, what is surprising is Agence France Presse's treatments of these comments as staments of fact and representative of expert opinion in Macedonia. I urge your news agency to retract the news report in its present format and issue an apology to those offended by it. Attached below is a copy of the news report in question. Sincerely, Besnik Pula Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies Georgetown University Washington, DC > Concern In Macedonia At Explosion Of Crime In Kosovo > > SKOPJE, Sep 17, 2000 -- (Agence France Presse) Women, immigrants, drugs, > weapons, cigarettes, alcohol: trafficking is exploding in Kosovo, warn > experts in neighboring Macedonia, wary of the impact on regional > stability and very critical of the international response. > "Criminal activities like arms and drugs smuggling develop, > connections are being made with well known foreign mafia figures, for > example with the Italian Mafia, and they increasingly penetrate into > some (western) European countries," Macedonia's former president Kiro > Gligorov has warned. > "That is maybe the biggest danger, that the wider region could be > criminalized," he added. > "The European Union, the Organization for Security and Cooperation > in Europe (OSCE) and all the other international organizations are > partly responsible for the situation since they support leaders, for > instance in Macedonia, Montenegro or Kosovo, who are involved in these > criminal activities," said Pavle Trajanov, former interior minister. > "I can see their motives, since those leaders' policies are against > (Yugoslav President) Milosevic," Trajanov added. > Ljubomir Frchkoski, another former interior minister, said he > failed to understand what he called the EU's reluctance to act more > decisively. > "They are the main victims of the Balkans narcotics route," he > said. > Since June, more than 1,300 trucks with smuggled cigarettes have > crossed the border between Kosovo and Macedonia, Trajanov said. > "Everything is organized by the Macedonian government, (Albanian > leader) Hashim Thaci in Kosovo and (President Milo) Djukanovic in > Montenegro," Trajanov added. > The cigarettes enter without being taxed via Kosovo into Montenegro > and Western Europe, Trajanov said, adding that the smugglers were > bribing ruling parties in Skopje with DEM 20,000 to 30,000 (USD 8,800 to > 13,200, EUR 10,200 to 15,300) for each truck. > Those parties had received more than DEM 130 millions (USD 57 > millions, EUR 66 millions) since June 1999 -- the end of Serbian control > of Kosovo -- from tobacco, alcohol, coffee and fuel smuggling alone, > Trajanov said. > "Albanians are the main ones responsible. The Albanian mafias could > not infiltrate into Macedonia for years and were not even present in > Kosovo. But now they are spreading very fast," he emphasized. > Trajanov warned that some criminal groups launched drug trafficking > business and prostitution, especially with girls from east European > countries. "The current chaos in Kosovo is now spilling over in > Macedonia," he said. > According to Trajanov, the mafias involved in drug business are > concentrated in Kosovo. > "Drugs are re-packed and shipped to Western Europe. Heroin comes > from Turkey, across Albania or Macedonia, but currently mainly through > Kosovo. Also a lot of marijuana is coming from Albania. It goes mainly > to Greece and west European markets by trucks," Trajanov explains. > Many criminal groups have made a lot of money since 1999 and "we > have information that they are starting to buy new dangerous weapons, > very sophisticated logistical and communication systems, and to hire > instructors in weapons and explosives," Trajanov added, anticipating an > increase of terrorist activities in the region. > Meanwhile Frchkoski stressed that the main issue was to reduce > organized crime in Kosovo, warning that the EU should share the concern > since it faces the severest consequences. > In Kosovo, between its UN civil administration and NATO troops, > "there is a gap regarding the most important issue: tackling organized > crime." > "There is lack of special units with a police capacity. That is the > most important issue now. That is why international structures there are > not so efficient," Frchkoski concluded. > > ((c) 2000 Agence France Presse)