From mentor at alb-net.com  Wed Jan 12 11:40:41 2000
From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:40:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] test please ignore it
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0001121139490.6449-100000@alb-net.com>

a test




From besnik at alb-net.com  Thu Jan 13 00:03:05 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 00:03:05 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] SAAS-L changed to NYC-L
Message-ID: <009c01bf5d83$7aa81d00$ef2df7a5@petrit>

Dear friends,

you may have noticed achange in your subscription to the SAAS-L list.

As many of you are aware, the Society of Albanian-American Students (SAAS)
has ceased its activities, which makes the SAAS-L list inappropriate. But
since the SAAS-L list has turned into a good resource, I have decided to
preserve it and transform it into the New York City Discussion List (NYC-L).
Your subscription to SAAS-L has been transferred to the NYC-L list.

The purpose of NYC-L is to serve as a medium of exchange of information
related to the Albanian community in New York City and its metro area. It
can be used for posting announcements for cultural and other events, job
offers and listings, meeting other people in the community, and discussing
issues related to the Albanian community in NYC. It is open to all.

The list cannot be used for purposes beyond the scope defined above, i.e.
things that are related to the Albanian community in New York City. For
example, discussing the latest political developments in Albania or Kosova
is not approporiate for this list -- there are other lists for that purpose.
Postings that are totally unacceptable include messages with personal
insults, commercial advertising (except for announcements for events that
charge an entry fee), and pornographic and illegal material. Repeated
attempts to violate this norm will result in a removal and ban from the
list.

For more information on the list, and to set your list options, see the
list's Web page at http://alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l.

All the best,
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From besnik at alb-net.com  Fri Jan 21 16:33:48 2000
From: besnik at alb-net.com (Besnik Pula)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 16:33:48 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Fwd: Teaching Position (fwd)
Message-ID: <v04003a02b4ae81206b0a@[165.247.66.170]>

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:39:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Eriola Kruja <kruja at fas.harvard.edu>
To: albsa-info at alb-net.com
Subject: [ALBSA-Info] Teaching Position (fwd)

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Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 12:55:10 -0500
From: Margaret Cooper <MCooper7 at compuserve.com>
To: Albanian Students <webmaster at albstudent.org>
Subject: Teaching Position

BTG, a contractor supplying language support to the US Government, has a
requirement for an instructor to teach a 'survival' level Albanian language
course (including culture, religion, and history) at Fort Bragg, NC from 28
January until 17 February, 2000.

Travel will be compensated and lodging has been arranged.

The instructor should be fluent enough in English to teach, have a
instructional background, and a minimum of the equivalent of a bachelor of
arts degree.  The candidate must also be legally able to work in the US.

Please contact Mike Murley, either through this e-mail or by calling
910-497-3968 between 10 AM and 2 PM, EST.



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From Dea2608 at aol.com  Mon Jan 24 23:21:52 2000
From: Dea2608 at aol.com (Dea2608 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 23:21:52 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
Message-ID: <ac.6a5e2e.25be7ee0@aol.com>

FRAME / UNFRAME
 
 
  6/30/98
G.D. Gearino: Albanians are true Americans 
 

Archive  
 
     If any of the missing Albanians are reading this newspaper, I have a 
message for them: Bless you, boys. I hope we never find you. 
     As you may remember from recent reports, the missing Albanians are 
military cadets who arrived in the United States a while back to participate 
in a NATO-sponsored exercise, then disappeared. One minute they're marching 
around Camp Lejeune with soldiers from 13 other countries, and the next 
minute they're scarcer than a radical feminist at a Southern Baptist 
conference on domestic relations. 
     By the time Marine Corps officials finished counting heads, 14 of the 40 
Albanians who had participated in the training exercise were gone. 
     This should make you feel proud and lucky. 
     The Albanians ran away, of course, because they didn't want to go home. 
Albania is a chronically poor country with a long history of religious 
oppression, political turmoil and economic chaos. It once was so hard-line 
communist that it broke off relations with China in the late 1970s because 
that country had lost its ideological edge and begun consorting with 
capitalists. Even after abandoning communism and embracing capitalism 
themselves, the Albanians made a hash of it. They put their money into 
patently fraudulent, get-rich-quick investment pyramids, then started a civil 
war when they discovered their money was gone. 
     In short, Albania is a good place to get away from. And the United 
States is a good place to get away to. 
     We forget this sometimes. Americans complain ceaselessly about almost 
everything -- taxes, traffic, cable TV service, politicians, telemarketers, 
the weather, slow drivers, the neighbor's leaf-blower, the dog on the Taco 
Bell commercials, whatever. I even know a guy who gripes because the stock 
market is only generating a 14 percent return on his investments these days. 
(That's me, by the way.) 
     Well, you know what? All that looks pretty good to the average Albanian. 
     Sadly, 11 of the 14 already have been rounded up. Five of them were 
caught as they walked along the highway; three were arrested in a Kinston bus 
station, and the rest of them were run to earth in Philadelphia. That means 
only three are still at large. 
     I hope we never see them again. 
     I hope they burrow in a big city somewhere and find jobs, even if it's 
something we'd consider low-wage drudge work but would seem like a gold mine 
to them. I hope they meet nice American women who look like the Spice Girls 
and teach them some killer dance steps. I hope somebody takes them to a 
big-league baseball game so the other spectators can be treated to the 
sublime joy of hearing umpires heckled in a thick Albanian accent. I hope 
they live long, fruitful, happy, American-style lives. 
     I hope all this happens because they've earned it. By walking off into 
the night of a strange country with little more than hope, they reminded us 
of something: Much of the rest of the world desperately wants what we've got. 
     After all, I don't know anybody trying to disappear into the Albanian 
countryside. 
     

G.D. Gearino can be reached at dang at nando.com or 829-4802




From pilika at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 09:13:23 2000
From: pilika at yahoo.com (Asti Pilika)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:13:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
Message-ID: <20000125141323.13355.qmail@web801.mail.yahoo.com>

This guy is a retard. The article lacks a controlling
idea.

I happened to be an interpreter during this exercise
and I can tell you that those escapes ruined all the
hard work the platoon did throughout the month.

There is still hope, though, because not all the
cadets escaped without permission.

--- Dea2608 at aol.com wrote:
>                         --- NYC-L Discussion Forum
> ---
>  
> 
> FRAME / UNFRAME
>  
>  
>   6/30/98
> G.D. Gearino: Albanians are true Americans 
>  
> 
> Archive  
>  
>      If any of the missing Albanians are reading
> this newspaper, I have a 
> message for them: Bless you, boys. I hope we never
> find you. 
>      As you may remember from recent reports, the
> missing Albanians are 
> military cadets who arrived in the United States a
> while back to participate 
> in a NATO-sponsored exercise, then disappeared. One
> minute they're marching 
> around Camp Lejeune with soldiers from 13 other
> countries, and the next 
> minute they're scarcer than a radical feminist at a
> Southern Baptist 
> conference on domestic relations. 
>      By the time Marine Corps officials finished
> counting heads, 14 of the 40 
> Albanians who had participated in the training
> exercise were gone. 
>      This should make you feel proud and lucky. 
>      The Albanians ran away, of course, because they
> didn't want to go home. 
> Albania is a chronically poor country with a long
> history of religious 
> oppression, political turmoil and economic chaos. It
> once was so hard-line 
> communist that it broke off relations with China in
> the late 1970s because 
> that country had lost its ideological edge and begun
> consorting with 
> capitalists. Even after abandoning communism and
> embracing capitalism 
> themselves, the Albanians made a hash of it. They
> put their money into 
> patently fraudulent, get-rich-quick investment
> pyramids, then started a civil 
> war when they discovered their money was gone. 
>      In short, Albania is a good place to get away
> from. And the United 
> States is a good place to get away to. 
>      We forget this sometimes. Americans complain
> ceaselessly about almost 
> everything -- taxes, traffic, cable TV service,
> politicians, telemarketers, 
> the weather, slow drivers, the neighbor's
> leaf-blower, the dog on the Taco 
> Bell commercials, whatever. I even know a guy who
> gripes because the stock 
> market is only generating a 14 percent return on his
> investments these days. 
> (That's me, by the way.) 
>      Well, you know what? All that looks pretty good
> to the average Albanian. 
>      Sadly, 11 of the 14 already have been rounded
> up. Five of them were 
> caught as they walked along the highway; three were
> arrested in a Kinston bus 
> station, and the rest of them were run to earth in
> Philadelphia. That means 
> only three are still at large. 
>      I hope we never see them again. 
>      I hope they burrow in a big city somewhere and
> find jobs, even if it's 
> something we'd consider low-wage drudge work but
> would seem like a gold mine 
> to them. I hope they meet nice American women who
> look like the Spice Girls 
> and teach them some killer dance steps. I hope
> somebody takes them to a 
> big-league baseball game so the other spectators can
> be treated to the 
> sublime joy of hearing umpires heckled in a thick
> Albanian accent. I hope 
> they live long, fruitful, happy, American-style
> lives. 
>      I hope all this happens because they've earned
> it. By walking off into 
> the night of a strange country with little more than
> hope, they reminded us 
> of something: Much of the rest of the world
> desperately wants what we've got. 
>      After all, I don't know anybody trying to
> disappear into the Albanian 
> countryside. 
>      
> 
> G.D. Gearino can be reached at dang at nando.com or
> 829-4802
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NYC-L discussion forum: NYC-L at alb-net.com
> http://www.alb-net.com/mailman/listinfo/nyc-l
> 
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From eb246 at columbia.edu  Tue Jan 25 11:40:39 2000
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:40:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] SUMMER INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITIES (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10001251140140.7653-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>

This might interest some list memebers.

***********************************************************
Subject: SUMMER INTERNSHIP OPPORTUNITIES (fwd)



The International Secretariat of the Coalition for an International Criminal
Court (CICC) is looking for SUMMER interns. The office is based in NY at 777 UN
Plaza.

COALITION'S PURPOSE
The main purpose of the NGO Coalition for an International Criminal Court is to
advocate the creation of an effective and just International Criminal Court. The
Coalition brings together a broad-based network of NGOs and international law
experts to develop strategies on substantive legal and political issues relating
to the Rome Statute. A key goal is to foster awareness and support among a wide
range of civil society organizations: human rights, international law,
judicial,humanitarian, religious, peace, women's, parliamentarian and others.

THE COURT
The ICC Statute, referred to as the Rome Statute after its adoption in Rome in
the summer of 1998, will enter into force with 60 ratifications. To date, six
countries have completed the ratification process and deposited the instrument
of ratification with the Secretary-General.

THE PREPCOM FOR AN ICC
The Preparatory Commission's will continue to meet in March and in June 2000 to
finalize two key texts - Rules of Procedure and Evidence and Elements of Crimes
- before 30 June 2000. Participation in the work of the Preparatory Commission
is open to all States that were invited to the Rome Conference, including those
that have not yet signed the Statute. Representatives of relevant regional
intergovernmental organizations and international bodies, including the
International Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and for Rwanda, mayparticipate
as observers. Non-governmental organizations may participate in the Commission's
open meetings.

Interns are needed for the summer to assist the Coalition Secretariat during the
PrepCom, among other things.

To express interest, call Jennifer Schense at (212) 687-2176, or e-mail her at
cicclegal at iccnow.org.

For more information about the Coalition or the ICC, visit our website at
www.iccnow.org




From SimonVukel at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 13:45:41 2000
From: SimonVukel at aol.com (SimonVukel at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:45:41 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
Message-ID: <25.10d47a8.25bf4955@aol.com>

To be honest, I didn't find a whole lot in this article too offensive.  While 
the guy writes a but flippantly, his premise is that we Americans should not 
take our freedom for granted, because there are millions out there who would 
do anything and everything just to come to the United States and live in a 
land of freedom and opportunity.  It is a lesson that Albanian immigrants and 
children of immigrants know very well.  And hopefully this will be the lesson 
that gets learned in the whole Elian Gonzalez mess as well.

As for the writer's harsh coments about Albania, he was right on the mark, 
and we better get used to such criticism.  Albania is a mess (but it can be 
fixed!)  Until we as Albanians are willing to admit the mistakes that 
Albanians themselves have made, Albania will never progress.  It's time to 
stop blaming others for everything that ails the Albanian nation.   When one 
gets to the bottom of it, Albania's problems are of its own making, and 
Albania's advancement can only come through its own hard work and 
perseverance.  



From eb246 at columbia.edu  Tue Jan 25 17:17:21 2000
From: eb246 at columbia.edu (Erkanda Bujari)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:17:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
In-Reply-To: <25.10d47a8.25bf4955@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10001251711020.27994-100000@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu>

I totally agree with you Simon but for the fact that while this guys
comments are on the mark he doesn't need to be cynical about it. 
He was not critical but cynical.  I cannot get used to it.
Best,
Erkanda

On Tue,
25 Jan 2000 SimonVukel at aol.com wrote:

>           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
> 
> 
> 
> To be honest, I didn't find a whole lot in this article too offensive.  While 
> the guy writes a but flippantly, his premise is that we Americans should not 
> take our freedom for granted, because there are millions out there who would 
> do anything and everything just to come to the United States and live in a 
> land of freedom and opportunity.  It is a lesson that Albanian immigrants and 
> children of immigrants know very well.  And hopefully this will be the lesson 
> that gets learned in the whole Elian Gonzalez mess as well.
> 
> As for the writer's harsh coments about Albania, he was right on the mark, 
> and we better get used to such criticism.  Albania is a mess (but it can be 
> fixed!)  Until we as Albanians are willing to admit the mistakes that 
> Albanians themselves have made, Albania will never progress.  It's time to 
> stop blaming others for everything that ails the Albanian nation.   When one 
> gets to the bottom of it, Albania's problems are of its own making, and 
> Albania's advancement can only come through its own hard work and 
> perseverance.  
> 
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From ACela25900 at aol.com  Tue Jan 25 23:57:43 2000
From: ACela25900 at aol.com (ACela25900 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:57:43 EST
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
Message-ID: <3a.951827.25bfd8c7@aol.com>

Hi all! 

It is true that these kind of articles really do hurt our conscience. But, we 
have to realize that in order to get going ahead, we have to take criticism 
objectively, we have to understand our mistakes and sins, and we have to 
realise that writings like this one will always accompany us for as long as 
we continue to be the least developed country in Europe, and for as long as 
the only dream in most (if not everyone, unfortunately) albanian minds, is to 
find a way to leave the country and go to Western Europe or US. We have to 
deal with this kind of stereotyping and we have to work hard to develop 
ourselves and be part of the world that we must belong.

Respectfully,

Ridi



From ngapeja at rocketmail.com  Wed Jan 26 12:25:33 2000
From: ngapeja at rocketmail.com (Isa Blumi)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:25:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NYC-L] look what this guy has to say about us
Message-ID: <20000126172533.633.qmail@web1608.mail.yahoo.com>

I wish to provide my fellow readers a commentary (one
the last) I wrote for Kosova Times, an English
language daily I tried with help of some colleagues in
the now terminated PGK to get running.  I think it is
of some value to our present concern about how the
"world" sees us.  The only way we are going to avoid a
repeat performance in Kosova (because as far as I am
concerned, we have convinced no one that we should be
independent, we are too busy setting up cafes and
radio stations that will cater to superflorous tastes)
is to develop a more realistic, self-critical
understanding of what we are as individuals and a
community.  With that deeper honesty about ourselves,
we can then point the mirror (and commentary) out at
the "world" who is fully armed with what I called way
back in Sept. the Western Mystic.

Op-ed page, Kosova Times Sept. 7, 1999 
Prishtina

The Western Mystic: Enough Already


ISTANBUL, Sept. 6, - Winding one?s way through
Kosova?s last three kilometers towards Macedonia and
the infamous Blace, the release is overwhelming. 
Kosova?s entire bulk, like a stone in the center of
the chest begins to dissolve.  I do not know the name
of the angst that permeates my soul when I am in
Kosova, but it is clear upon leaving the place.  I do
not like it.  I am afraid to pick at this painful
sore; I do not know even why it is painful?. 
	Skopje looks so much better now than it did this time
last summer.  It has profited handsomely from Kosova?s
trials.  I begin to relax in the center of town, enjoy
a beverage in the sun, watch the unrepentant take a
leisurely walk through the city?s streets.  Macedonia
is filled with contradictions and dangerous
confusions.  The treatment the helpless received there
was unacceptable to my humanistic heart, vulgarly
chilled in its calculation.  I could go on for days
about how manipulative, abusive and ugly the scene was
in Blace, in the camps, even though I was not a
personal witness to the arrogance of charity at the
time.  I passed through Macedonia during the NATO
bombing many times, feeling vile as I awaited my turn
to be processed in the Macedonian system at the
border.  It was something from which no one should
ever forgive.  And yet, the act of humanity corrupts
so many of us.
	I bring this up because on my way to Istanbul, I
crossed paths yet once again with that Western Mystic.
 It is not only an externalized mystic, something we
people of the non-Western world imagine.  It, in fact,
may be more a case of self-importance, a spirit of
unwarranted superiority than anything else.  I like to
see all the UN 4x4s that clog up Prishtina?s streets
as a representation of an assumption.  What that
assumption is varies of course.  There are some truly
generous, brilliant people who take this job of
creating a new world order seriously.  Then there are
the careerists who will hardly disguise their material
rationale for being in Prishtina.  It is the third
catergory of international citizen that inspires me
tonight. There are those who carry most clumsily the
Western mystic.  They, in fact, are the most taken in
by the idea that there is something called the West. 
The West as a substance which one can touch, feel,
articulate and possess.  These types, who warrant
absolutely no respect from Albanians or anyone else in
the world, be it Dili, Maputo, Freetown or Port au
Prince, nevertheless arrive in Kosova with a massive
complex.  They believe by sheer fact that they are
remotely attached to the ?West,? (in most cases it
simply rests in the fact that they carry a passport)
that they are superior to Albanians.  They can be as
lowly as truck drivers transporting portable latrines
to construction sites, and yet they carry with them
this Western mystic.  They for some reason feel more
confident in the Balkans, Africa.  They walk into
people?s lives and actually attempt to instruct them
on the finer points of democracy and human dignity. 
Some half-wit Canadian truck driver who can proclaim
no greater knowledge of things beyond the Detroit Red
Wings, had the audacity to attempt to lecture
colleagues and friends one day on what is wrong and
right about their existence.  By carrying this Western
Mystic, this intellectual equivalent of a gnat
stuttered his way through one undeserved arrogant
simplification of the Albanian experience after
another.  This Mounty flunky is not an exception in
the international community in Kosova; he is the rule.
 His inarticulation was simply too glaring to ignore
and deserves reprimand.  There are others who actually
have enough intellect to ?wing it.?  But by winging
their assumed superiority by sheer force of their
better handle of a spoken language can get extremely
tiring after a while.  Albanians may be polite, may be
grateful and ultimately may be so under confident that
they can look at this plumage of Western self-flattery
and play along.  But when this arrogance reaches the
levels of dangerous disregard for the feelings of
others, as is often the case on the roads of Kosova,
there lays a festering problem, and probably the
source of my pain.
	By asking the international community to take the
time to sit down with those in the countryside, (Issue
1) out of respect for the pain they have gone through,
it is simply a request that people exercise a bit of
humility.  It is plainly too easy for Canadian truck
drivers to zip past waving children in his clearly
marked trucks and feel the breeze of that Western
Mystic blow through his hair.  But the breeze of
confidence corrupts the air in which Albanians breath,
it pollutes it.  Those 4x4s that clog up the streets
of Prishtina cut corners, break laws and show complete
disrespect for people trying to reestablish order to
their lives.  The Western Mystic may assume a position
of moral superiority, but once again, the UN is the
best place to look around for evidence of the
immorality of ?Western? civilization.  This essay from
Istanbul is not another exercise of bashing the
?Western?World, for I do not personally believe it
exists.  This is an angry growl at the arrogant people
with coveted passports who cut long lines at the
Skopje airport.  It is an angry growl at Albanians who
stand and gawk in the hundreds while they are brushed
aside by some men and women who, taking the same plane
as they are, decide they do not need to wait in line. 
An Albanian?s time is just as precious as of those who
service them back in Kosova.  Those who flaunt that
Western Mystic have no right to step in front of men,
women and children on account of their loose
association with Bill Clinton, Jacques Chirac or Toni
Blair.  Get back in line, remember that those faces
looking back at you are human beings, many of whom are
more educated, more accomplished and more human than
you.  And for the truck driver, I would suggest that
chip you carry on your shoulder may only be a crumb
from the Dorritos you eat while watching your hockey
matches.  That Western Mystic that fills your sails
here in Kosova is only a self-inflicted illussion, you
impressed no one.


Isa Blumi
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From cana at cs.stevens-tech.edu  Sun Jan 30 16:20:09 2000
From: cana at cs.stevens-tech.edu (Mentor Cana)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:20:09 -0500
Subject: [NYC-L] Albanian food serving restorants in NYC Metro Area
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.4.10.10001301614360.1845403-100000@guinness.cs.stevens-tech.edu>

Hello,

Does anyone have a list or knows Albanian food serving restaurants in NYC
metro area?

I know of Il-galeto in NJ.... There is the Ideal in Staten Island...
There was one in Manhattan...

To make story short, I'm looking for nice Albania restaurant serving Albanian
food with a nice Albanian music. 

Few of the Albanian restaurants in NYC closed during the Kosova war. have
any reopened yet?

Any suggestion?

later,
Mentor