[NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]

[Artin Spahiu]

Actually I "noticed" that you noted more than a couple
of things in your speech...
I was just wondering though regarding you experience
in Germany, it looks like, that the fact that the
immigration inspector treated your documents in a
"different way" from other people ONLY because you
were Albanian meant nothing to you?! Don't tell me now
that you even liked that, maybe because let say you 
like attention, any kind of attention do you? :), I'm
just kidding... 
Certainly is that story of ""guilty until proven
not-Albanian, I mean innocent!
How about all the people are equal therefore should be
treated the same UNTIL proven innocent? So you are the
one who is saying that "Since Albanians
have a given talent and reputation for faking visas,
passports etc, I don't blame anyone that wants to
enforce the law" I agree with you about the last three
words, how about having that law enforcement thing
applied to everybody....  

The last thing was about your paragraph number three…
You are saying: 
"While some wait on lines at the border, being
 abused and yelled at by Greek idiotic guards, why
 don't they just raise their voice and demand
justice! Why don't they note that it is wrong to treat
Albanians this way" 

Hem let me think, maybe because in USA at Logan they
get daily two or three cases of fraud whereby Albanian
citizens enter with Albanian passports and computer
altered visas, so who cares for such people anyway,
than can get as many visas as they want! 

Also you say:
"If they are so disgusted by the behavior of
these imbeciles at the border, what do they care
about going to such a country as Greece, citizens of
which abuse human rights?  Why don't they just tear up
the bloody visa right in their face and show them how
noble Albanians really are?"
Why they want to go to Greece at any cost? Maybe for
the same reason you are in USA, for a better
economical situation. People would do anything for
money…. 
I will better assume that it was a rhetorical question
from a girl who lives in Boston, USA and works for
INS.

Regards, Artin Spahiu

--- ira panajoti <ipanajoti at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>     Some others of us, also from "Albania proper"
> would like to note a couple of things:
>  1.  People with Albanian passports are carefully
> scanned everywhere.  Often they are abused even when
> they come with regular visas.  E.g.  I recently made
> a
> trip to Germany.  The immigration inspector not only
> checked all sides of my passport, but also employed
> two hand lenses to detect any fraud in my visa,
> which
> luckily was issued from the German consulate in
> Boston.  As an employee with INS in Logan airport, i
> could tell you that we get daily two or three cases
> of
> fraud whereby Albanian citizens enter with Albanian
> passports and computer altered visas.  It is the job
> of every immigration inspector, everywhere in the
> world to assure that individuals are not entering
> fraudulently in their countries.  Since Albanians
> have
> a given talent and reputation for faking visas,
> passports etc, I don't blame anyone that wants to
> enforce the law.  After all, that's what they get
> paid
> for.  That DOES NOT make it legitimate that they
> should abuse people like yourself who are law
> abiding
> citizens and enter a country legally, however as the
> number of people entering a country through fraud
> far
> exceeds that of people entering legally, every
> individual would be predisposed to assume the worst.
> 
> In these cases, the rule of "guilty until proven
> innocent often applies."  Luckily, for us Albanians,
> we don't have many Greeks, Serbs, Macedonians,
> Americans, Italians etc entering the country
> fraudulently.  Yes, they do a lot of dirty business
> there, but what does our government or law
> enforcement
> agencies do:  NOTHING!  THey close one eye not to
> see
> the one hand receiving the bribe.  Others, just
> couldn't care less about enforcing the law as long
> as
> they receive their monthly stipend.  So you see: We
> should definitely ameliorate our country, enforce
> legislation and create a strong state before
> fighting
> abroad for rights!  As far as I know Albanian
> citizens
> do not have rights under Albanian law.  They are
> daily
> threatened  by criminals, thiefs etc. and often they
> are forced to emigrate out of their country, even if
> it means a recourse to illegal means.  
> 
> 2.  The mistake nr. 1 that Albanians make is look up
> to Greeks as role models!  That is definitely a
> pitty!
>  However, the Albanian role models is yet unborn,
> with
> the exception of the intelligent graduates of Boston
> who preach self-determination to their suffering
> fellow Albanians in Albania proper and its vicinity!
> 
> Perhaps it is time that all of us start to think on
> how to make Albania a better place to live in, so
> that
> we all did not have to leave the poor country and be
> maltreated by Greeks, Italians, Serbs, Macedonians
> and
> the like.  
> 
> 3.  While some wait on lines at the border, being
> abused and yelled at by Greek idiotic guards, why
> don't they just raise their voice and demand
> justice! 
> Why don't they note that it is wrong to treat
> Albanians this way and that Greek claims for
> Northern
> Epirus are totally unbased and ridiculous?  Why do
> they shut up and take it?  Is it out of tolerance or
> fear?  If they are so disgusted by the behavior of
> these imbeciles at the border, what do they care
> about
> going to such a country as Greece, citizens of which
> abuse human rights?  Why don't they just tear up the
> bloody visa right in their face and show them how
> noble Albanians really are?  Wars in Macedonia and
> Serbia should be an example to how people should
> stand
> up for human rights and advocate them as
> passionately
> as possible, especially if in their own country
> there
> aren't any!  
> 
> 4.  As regards the war in Macedonia, I think
> demanding
> independence has been the biggest mistake ever.  It
> is
> going to cost us, Albanians the loss of Kosovo's
> independence and will make enemies out of all powers
> of the world.  Claims for better conditions of
> living,
> better enforcement of human rights etc, perhaps
> would
> have drawn a more sympathetic support.  Even though
> some of you do believe that fighting is the best way
> to get something, when the whole world is against
> you
> all you get is sanctions, as the Iraq-Kuwait case
> should clearly illustrate.  True, the Big Powers
> intervened as Kuwait was full of oil, but lack of
> oil
> in Kosovo and Macedonia is not going to stop powers
> from intervening to retain peace in the Balkans as
> its
> a distraction to the process of concluding oil
> transactions with Kuwait, while already watching out
> for Iraq.  
> 
> 5.  I wonder whether Albania proper will give any
> contribution to assisting the brothers in Kosovo and
> Macedonia win their quest for independence.  If yes,
> when is the final word going to be?  
> 
> 6.  Perhaps all answers to these questions would
> have
> been easier had Albania been a stronger country,
> with
> a much better organized economy, a less corrupt
> government, a thinner net of criminals,
> drug-dealers,
> prostitution promoters.  Perhaps if it were a more
> consolidated country it could give the Greeks the
> finger, the Serbs and the Macedonians a good kick in
> the ass, and a real scoff to the rest of the powers.
> 
> But we all know this isn't possible, is it?  Perhaps
> then, it's time for all of us to stop jabbering
> about
> how the world treats us and start looking at how we
> treat ourselves.  Konica said, "The biggest enemy of
> Albanians are Albanians" and we should try to prove
> him wrong.  Once we have done so, and if this is
> possible at all (decades have proved the opposite)
> then we could search for respect!   Once we have
> begun
> to quit poking each other's eyes, mentioning to
> each-other their biographical stains (like saying
> "us
> from Albania proper"  since IRA PANAJOTI does not
> sound quite Albanian) then maybe we can talk about
> respect!  
> 
> 7.  Not once did I stop being Albanian, despite my
> unfortunate Greek name (I did not have a choice when
> they named me--talk about human rights--can't even
> chose my own name) and not once did I stop helping
> Albanians (who enter the U.S. both legally and
> illegally) in my line of work to get every right
> they
> deserved!  We should all be proud of being Albanian,
> yet we should make sure that our pride is based on
> truth and not on empty cockiness!  
> 
> 8.  When talking about tolerance, cooperation and
> understanding, please take a look at how a simple
> e-mail (be it mine in regards to the Macedonian
> helicopter joke, or all of yours in response to
> mine)
> can be turned into an internet everlasting debate
> without solution!  Don't we all have an innate love
> of
> fighting?  Where is the tolerance people?  If
> Albanians can't find a common language between
> themselves, alas, they will never find it with the
> neighbors or the world!  
> 
> 9.  Having said all this, I apologize to all if I
> somehow raised your blood pressure too much!  I was
> always good at doing that and apparently can't seem
> to
> avoid it!  Between being a patriot (although some of
> you might not think so) and a realist, the latter
> often tends to win!  I apologize in turn to all
> patriots as well as my patriotic side for any
> injustice done!  
> 
> 10.  Have a nice day everybody and try not to make
> too
> much out of my lengthy discussion!  Take care.
>   Ira Panajoti
> --- Iris Pilika <ipilika at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
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