[ALBSA-Info] Re: ALBSA-Info digest, Vol 1 #379 - 5 msgs

[Mero Baze]

Kush është i interesuar për copëtimin e Maqedonisë?

 Mero Baze

 Tre nga katër shtetet që rrethojnë Maqedoninë, ende nuk e kanë njohur atë
plotësisht, ndërsa po përpiqen t'i ofrojnë asaj, një solidaritet të
dyshimtë, kundër krizës më të fundit me guerilët shqiptarë.

Bullgaria, shteti me të cilin partia maqedonase në pushtet ka më së shumti
afërsi historike dhe politike, e njeh Maqedoninë si shtet, por nuk e njeh si
komb dhe nuk i njeh si gjuhë zyrtare maqedonishten. Greqia, e cila deri vonë
ka qenë luftëtare e vetmuar kundër ekzistencës së shtetit maqedon, e njeh
Maqedoninë si komb, por nuk e njeh si shtet, pasi emri Maqedoni, i krijon
problem historik me krahinën e Thrakës dhe Selanikut. Serbia e njeh
pavarësinë e Maqedonisë nga ish-Jugosllavia, por nuk njeh ende kufijtë e saj
shtetërorë, të cilët së fundi u bënë molla e sherrit për plasjen e
konfliktit. I vetmi shtet fqinj me Maqedoninë, që i njeh asaj shtetësinë,
kombësinë, gjuhën, flamurin dhe kufijtë, është Shqipëria dhe shqiptarët e
Kosovës. Pikërisht ky faktor që ia njeh të gjitha gjeneralitetet shtetërore
Maqedonisë, është vendosur tani në qendër të akuzave për prishjen e
Maqedonisë. Situata po degradon me shpejtësi të tillë sa konflikti civil në
Maqedoni po kthehet në një konflikt etnik dhe Maqedonia po i konsideron
prishësit e rendit shtetëror brenda saj, si ushtarë të ardhur nga ndonjë
shtet armik.

Po kush janë në të vërtetë guerilët që po trondisin të ardhmen e
Maqedonisë?! Sipas të gjitha informacioneve të deritanishme për guerilët
shqiptarë, mendohet se nuk kemi të bëjmë me një grup kompakt luftëtarësh,
por me një vullnet kompakt për të luftuar nën emblemën e një ushtrie ende të
paformësuar mirë. Ajo që quhet Ushtria Çlirimtare Kombëtare, e që duket si
grupim kryesor, ka për drejtues një oficer shqiptar nga Maqedonia, i cili
dihet se ka marrë pjesë më parë, edhe në ish-UÇK-në që u angazhua në Kosovë.
Prania e këtij komandanti në të dy ushtritë guerile, është i vetmi argument
që kanë deri më sot autoritetet maqedonase për akuzat që bëjnë në adresë të
importimit të krizës nga Kosova. Në fakt ky oficer është një shtetas
maqedonas dhe si i tillë angazhimet e tij ushtarake kundër shtetit të vet,
janë problem i brendshëm i Maqedonisë. Dy grupet e tjera janë më pak
influente, por përbëhen gjithmonë nga bërthama luftëtarësh që ekzistojnë në
Maqedoni dhe kanë prirjen t'i bashkohen një komande. Në këtë luftë do të
ketë natyrisht spekullime dhe nga pala shqiptare, do të ketë sërish
komandantë që do të shpallen si të tillë nga Tirana apo nga Prishtina, do të
ketë falsifikatorë të historisë, do të ketë dezertorë të saj, por do të ketë
edhe luftëtarë dhe ata tani janë duke luftuar në Tetovë e qytete të tjera të
Maqedonisë. Ata nuk janë as të eksportuar nga Tirana, dhe as nga Prishtina.
Mediokriteti dhe diletantizmi i ngrehinës që quhet Akademia e Shkencave të
Shqipërisë, është një fije kashte me të cilën Maqedonia nuk kalon dot
Vardarin për ta hedhur fajin në bregun tjetër.  Së paku ambasadori maqedon
në Tiranë e njeh mirë 'aftësinë' dhe tuhafllëkun e pleqve të Akademisë, të
cilët atë që ai e quan platformë të Bashkimit Kombëtar të Akademisë, ata e
kanë lexuar të joshur nga ndonjë honorar "patrioti" si Idajet Beqiri, që
gjysmën e vitit shet patenta të vjedhura, gjysmën tjetër platforma të
vjedhura. Dhe duke qenë kaq i pasinqertë në spekullimin me pleqtë tanë të
Akademisë, diplomati i Shkupit në Tiranë, duket se nuk është duke kërkuar
shkaqet reale të krizës, por detaje që të ilustrojë fajin e shqiptarëve.
Faji ynë i vetëm si shqiptarë është që: Akademia e Shkencave, e cila më së
paku është Akademi, më së paku është shkencore dhe më së paku është
shqiptare. Bile në rastin konkret të asaj që ai e quan platformë, ka vetëm
elementë folklorikë të patriotizimit, të cilat janë të rrezikshme vetëm për
mungesën e seriozitetit të shtetit shqiptar që vazhdon të paguajë pleq të
tillë për akademikë dhe vazhdon të ketë një president që i pret këta pleq
dhe i quan ideatorë të çështjes kombëtare.

Penalizimi apriori i faktorit shqiptar si destabilizues i Maqedonisë është
vetëm spektakël mediatik, pasi është një arsyetim më i thjeshtë dhe më
bindës për qytetarët që nuk e njohin nga afër problemin. Por realisht
shqiptarët me këtë pozitë që kanë në Ballkan, nuk kanë arsye të jenë
promotorë të copëzimit të Maqedonisë. Më të interesuar se shqiptarët, shihet
se janë bullgarët, grekët dhe serbët, të cilët i kanë lënë, të tre, diçka
mangut, njohjes së gjeneraliteteve të Maqedonisë.  Dhe nuk është çudi që pas
zellit të presidentit bullgar për të sjellë trupat në Maqedoni, gatishmërisë
greke për të çuar trupat në kufi, gatishmërisë serbe për të çuar trupat në
kufi, të fshihet dëshira e fshehtë për ringjalljen e hartave të vjetra.
Vetëm Shqipëria dhe shteti shqiptar nuk ka deklaruar se në këtë eskalim të
situatës e shikon të udhës të përforcojë kufirin me Maqedoninë, pasi vetë
Shqipëria vazhdon të mbetet i vetmi fqinjë i Maqedonisë që nuk ka ndonjë
plan për destabilizimin e saj.

Gatishmëria e Serbisë, Greqisë dhe Bullgarisë për të afruar trupa ushtarakë
në kufi me Maqedoninë dhe deklaratat e qeveritarëve të Shkupit se NATO duhet
të sigurojë vetëm kufirin verior, shtojnë dyshimet se Shkupi mund të jetë i
përgatitur për një ofensivë kundër faktorit shqiptar dhe një qërim hesapesh
me popullsinë e atjeshme pa pasur nëpër këmbë forcat ndërkombëtare, çka mund
të çojë Shkupin brenda dy javësh në skenat e Sarajevës. Paniku që po shtohet
dita ditës në Maqedoni nga snajperët e vendosur në ndërtesat e Tetovës dhe
Shkupit, dhe përhapja e luftës guerile, janë elementë që nxjerrin jashtë
loje ushtritë e mëdha dhe luftën frontale, po mbajnë konfliktin brenda dhe e
tresin shtetin duke e kthyer në gërmadhë.

Nëse ka vërtet rrezik nga ata që Maqedonia i quan nacionalistë shqiptarë,
ajo duhet t'i identifikojë ata dhe t'i japë problemit një rrugëzgjidhje
politike. Nëse mendon se bisedimet me ta mund të destabilizojnë Maqedoninë,
atëherë Shkupi duhet të gjejë një forcë neutrale, e cila të sigurojë status
quo-në e sovranitetit të vendit dhe ajo është vetëm NATO. Afrimi i tri
ushtrive të tjera të fqinjëve në kufi me Maqedoninë, nuk është aspak një
kërcënim për shqiptarët, por një kërcënim për të ardhmen e Maqedonisë dhe
sovranitetin e saj. Asnjë iluzion nuk duhet pasur se Maqedonia është në
konflikt etnik me një grup luftëtarësh që janë pakicë në Maqedoni. Është e
vërtetë se ata sot mund të numërohen me gishta, por nëse Shkupi zyrtar
vazhdon të defaktorizojë dy partitë politike shqiptare në parlamentin
maqedonas dhe t'i kthejë liderët e tyre në njerëz pa autoritet, atëherë
autoriteti kryesor shqiptar, brenda ditës, bëhet njeriu që askush nuk ia di
emërin dhe mbiemërin të plotë dhe guerilët që sot mund t'i numërosh, nesër
mund të jenë të barabartë me votuesit shqiptarë në Maqedoni, përfshi dhe ata
që kanë mbetur pa u regjistruar.

Deri tani vullneti më i plotë për ekzistencën e Maqedonisë ka qenë në anën e
shqiptarëve bile po të llogarisësh dhe deklaratat politike të guerilasve, të
cilët janë një hap përpara Bullgarisë, Serbisë dhe Greqisë në njohjen e
integritetit territorial të Maqedonisë, sovranitetit të saj dhe elementëve
shtetërorë. Për këtë arsye, urgjente është zgjidhja e problemeve të tyre dhe
jo lufta me ta.




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Subject: ALBSA-Info digest, Vol 1 #379 - 5 msgs


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>    3. Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
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>    4. RE: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
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>    5. Learning about people (etel)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Meha, Xhevat" <xhevat.meha at kpmg.co.uk>
> To: Iris Pilika <ipilika at hotmail.com>, dardan at alb-net.com,
nyc-l at alb-net.com
> Cc: Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com, albanian-uk at alb-net.com,
>    prishtina-l at alb-net.com, tetova-l at alb-net.com, albsa-info at alb-net.com,
>    puka at usa.net
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:22:49 -0000
> Subject: [ALBSA-Info] Vlera Shqiptare
>
> Jam ma teper se i kenaqur me kesi lloj shkrime. Kontributi i tyre ne
> thesarin e njohjes sime ne lidhje me sistemin e vlerave ne shoqerine
> shqiptare eshte i pa mateshem. Vlera e tyre eshte aqe e lart sa sdi si t'i
> pershkruaj. I kam pase disa njohuri mbi vlerat e internaciaonalizmit
> shqiptar te nderkombtarizuar por keto shtjellimet e fundit me bejne te
> kuptoj sa pak paskam ditur.
>
> Xhevat Meha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iris Pilika [mailto:ipilika at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 4:41 PM
> To: dardan at alb-net.com; nyc-l at alb-net.com
> Cc: Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com; albanian-uk at alb-net.com;
> prishtina-l at alb-net.com; tetova-l at alb-net.com; albsa-info at alb-net.com;
> puka at usa.net
> Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
>
>
> -------- Albanian UK --------
>
> Well, many of us from Albania proper see things in a different
perspective.
>
> Take our experiences at the Greek-Albanian border.  The Greek police can
> have you wait for hours, can decide for no reason (just because you are
> Albanian) that the visa you have is false and refuse to let you through.
If
>
> you persist, they can tear apart your passport.  Or they can scream at you
> that if you want to touch Greek land, you should go back to Tirana and
> overthrow the government, because he (the Greek) does not like it (this
> being true for the previous government).  If you get a chance to go into
> their office (an official immigration office) you will see a sign in the
> wall saying that Northern Epirus is Greek.  There, you learnt something
you
> did not know before, half of your country is not Albanian, but Greek, and
it
>
> holds a name it might have had at the time of Pirro.  If they ask you
about
> your religion, which will be the first question, and you happen to be
> Orthodox, then you will learn something else about your identity you did
not
>
> know before, that you too are Greek or put in a more seemingly civilized
> word, Epirote.  And this is probably half of what Albanians really go
> through.
>
> But just so we Albanians "don't look bad", not only will we and our
> government never complain, but we will still welcome these Greeks, look at
> them as role models, and let them do whatever they want in our country.
If
> they want to fill our churches with Greek inscriptions, we won't complain,
> we'll just learn Greek, even though that wouldn't take us anywhere.  We
will
>
> do every effort in our part not to look bad, because we value tolerance,
and
>
> that's why we are better, no, I'm sorry, more "civilized", than those
> Albanians in Kosova or Macedonia, who don't stop talking about some kind
of
> human rights.  Did someone say we have a deep inferiority complex?  No, we
> are just tolerant and civilized.  It's wonder how we have not become part
of
>
> the EU yet, because the French and the Germans still hold grudges from
World
>
> War II.  We better give them some lessons from what the Greeks have taught
> us about democracy and tolerance, especially in this era of globalization.
>
>
> >From: Dardan Blaku <dardan at alb-net.com>
> >To: "nyc-l at alb-net.com" <nyc-l at alb-net.com>
> >CC: Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>,
> >"albanian-uk at alb-net.com" <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>,
> >"prishtina-l at alb-net.com" <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>,
> >"tetova-l at alb-net.com" <tetova-l at alb-net.com>,   "albsa-info at alb-net.com"
> ><albsa-info at alb-net.com>,   "puka at usa.net" <puka at usa.net>
> >Subject: Re: [NYC-L] Re: [Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> >Macedonia's Airforce de stroyed]
> >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:53:27 -0500 (EST)
> >
> >-------- Albanian UK --------
> >
> >Did any of you wait in the Kosova/Macedonia border for over 6/7 hour
while
> >the jackass macedonian official played around with you and your
> >passport just because you were albanian?
> >
> >
> >
> >On 19 Mar 2001, G.S wrote:
> >
> > >           === NYC-L: New York City Discussion Forum ===
> > >
> > > To tell you the truth I do not like this war since it is having a very
> > > negative effect on our public relations, and I do not hate the
> >Macedonians
> > > even though a lot of them are jackasses (the police that is). The only
> >thing
> > > that I find interesting is that the Serbs were so powerful compared to
> >the
> > > Macedonians, so I find their weakness a bit amusing (which is in sharp
> > > contrast to the image they try to portray). All in all I hope the war
> >ends
> > > today, the message has gotten through and the pressure is on for
> >extended
> > > Albanian rights in Macedonia. Every extra day the war goes on will
only
> >make
> > > us look more like the Serbs(the media that is).
> > >
> > > >That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text the poor guy has
> > > >written.
> > >
> > > >Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a sense of humour or
> > >does
> > > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> > >
> > > >Easy with the accusations...
> > >
> > > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > > shame because they put a bad name for all Albanians!
> > > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny that
> > > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians, Macedonians
> > > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The author
> > > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a sense
> > > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
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> > > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > > se me dal...
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > > near the scene of the
> > > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > > sources said.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>> wrote:
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> > > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez para
> > > > > se me dal...
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter crashed
> > > > > near the scene of the
> > > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > > sources said.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:45:32 +0000 (GMT)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Saimir=20Celo?= <saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
stroyed
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> Jam dakort 100% me Fisnikun e do thoja se nuk e di si
> e perkufizon shqiptarine Ira po shqiptarizem i
> shumices nuk eshte.
>
> Te me kuptosh Ira, nuk me vjen per te qeshur qe vdiq
> nje njeri por edhe per te qare nuk qaj se ky njeriu
> ishte ne nje helikopter ushtarak e keta te fundit si
> rregull e pergjithshme nuk i sherbejne paqes,
> perkundrazi.
>
> Nese nuk te dhemb per shqipetaret e Maqedonise atehere
> ajo eshte tjeter pune por ata nuk jane asnje gram me
> pak shqiptare se ne dhe nuk kane pse te bien dakort me
> asnje gram liri me pak se ne shqipetaret e Shqiperise.
>
> Nje verejtje edhe per Besnik Gergurin:
>
> E para punes flit shqip o bure i dheut se anglishten
> se kuptojme  te gjithe.
>
> E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
> shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?
>
> Pershendetje te gjitheve
>
> Saimiri
>
>
>
>
> --- Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>
> wrote: > -------- Albanian UK --------
> >
> > That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text
> > the poor guy has
> > written.
> >
> > Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a
> > sense of humour or does
> > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> >
> > Easy with the accusations...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:ipanajoti at yahoo.com>>
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:34 AM
> > Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> > Macedonia's Airforce
> > destroyed
> >
> >
> > > -------- Albanian UK --------
> > >
> > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > shame because they put a bad name for all
> > Albanians!
> > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny
> > that
> > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians,
> > Macedonians
> > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The
> > author
> > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a
> > sense
> > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > para
> > > > se me dal...
> > > >
> > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > crashed
> > > > near the scene of the
> > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > sources said.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Reply-To: "Besim Gerguri" <besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk>
> From: "Besim Gerguri" <besim at gerguri.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: "Saimir Celo" <saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk>,
>    "Fisnik Ismaili" <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>, <alb-club at alb-net.com>,
>    <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>, <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>,
>    <nyc-l at alb-net.com>, <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>,
<prishtina-l at alb-net.com>,
>    <tetova-l at alb-net.com>, <albsa-info at alb-net.com>, <puka at usa.net>,
>    <ipanajoti at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
stroyed
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:41:01 -0000
>
> Samir,
> quhem Besim e jo Besnik. Me siguri m'ke perzi me dike tjeter se une nuk
kam
> shkruejt anglisht. Krejt email-at e mi jane shqip.
> Kur kam thane: "Lutfi, mu ma merr menja se Ira osht shiptare se tregimi
> (hajgarja)se si ka
> ra helikopteri osht ne shqip-nashta ja ka perkthy najkush", nuk e kam dite
> se cfare kombi i takon Ira, se ajo ka shkrue n'anglisht, per arsye te
cilen
> nuk po muj me e kuptu. Ndoshta ka pase qellim  me na tregu se din me fole
> gjuhe te huja, apo me u paraqite internacionaliste e kunder dhunes para
> anetareve te listes qe nuk flasin shqip.
>
> Besim Gerguri
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Saimir Celo" <saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Fisnik Ismaili" <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>;
<alb-club at alb-net.com>;
> <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>; <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>;
> <nyc-l at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>; <prishtina-l at alb-net.com>;
> <tetova-l at alb-net.com>; <albsa-info at alb-net.com>; <puka at usa.net>;
> <ipanajoti at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 7:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
> stroyed
>
>
> > -------- Albanian UK --------
> >
> > Jam dakort 100% me Fisnikun e do thoja se nuk e di si
> > e perkufizon shqiptarine Ira po shqiptarizem i
> > shumices nuk eshte.
> >
> > Te me kuptosh Ira, nuk me vjen per te qeshur qe vdiq
> > nje njeri por edhe per te qare nuk qaj se ky njeriu
> > ishte ne nje helikopter ushtarak e keta te fundit si
> > rregull e pergjithshme nuk i sherbejne paqes,
> > perkundrazi.
> >
> > Nese nuk te dhemb per shqipetaret e Maqedonise atehere
> > ajo eshte tjeter pune por ata nuk jane asnje gram me
> > pak shqiptare se ne dhe nuk kane pse te bien dakort me
> > asnje gram liri me pak se ne shqipetaret e Shqiperise.
> >
> > Nje verejtje edhe per Besnik Gergurin:
> >
> > E para punes flit shqip o bure i dheut se anglishten
> > se kuptojme  te gjithe.
> >
> > E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
> > shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?
> >
> > Pershendetje te gjitheve
> >
> > Saimiri
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Fisnik Ismaili <Fisnik.Ismaili at edengene.com>
> > wrote: > -------- Albanian UK --------
> > >
> > > That's one hell of a conclusion from 3 lines of text
> > > the poor guy has
> > > written.
> > >
> > > Dare I say that it is you who seem to be lacking a
> > > sense of humour or does
> > > that make me a shameful Albanian, too?
> > >
> > > Easy with the accusations...
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ira panajoti" <ipanajoti at yahoo.com
> > > <mailto:ipanajoti at yahoo.com>>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:34 AM
> > > Subject: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of
> > > Macedonia's Airforce
> > > destroyed
> > >
> > >
> > > > -------- Albanian UK --------
> > > >
> > > > If it's people like these who start a war, it's a
> > > > shame because they put a bad name for all
> > > Albanians!
> > > > The joke was not funny and neither is it funny
> > > that
> > > > the shedding of blood of either Albanians,
> > > Macedonians
> > > > or Serbs provokes laughter in some people. The
> > > author
> > > > of the e-mail, I am sorry to say, has either a
> > > sense
> > > > of humor or a career in politics! Stay away from
> > > > comedy or the political arena! Good luck!
> > > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > ----------- ALBSA-Info Mailing List
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > > para
> > > > > se me dal...
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > > crashed
> > > > > near the scene of the
> > > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > > sources said.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > --- "G.S" <puka at usa.net <mailto:puka at usa.net>>
> > > wrote:
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Macedonian Airforce" eshte e perbere prej 3
> > > > > helikopterave, sot rra njeri
> > > > > helikopter sepse piloti nuk ka hanger mengjez
> > > para
> > > > > se me dal...
> > > > >
> > > > > Earlier Saturday night, an army helicopter
> > > crashed
> > > > > near the scene of the
> > > > > clashes, killing the army pilot and injuring 12
> > > > > policemen, Macedonian and NATO
> > > > > sources said.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> Message: 4
> Reply-To: <lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>
> From: "Lutfi Mjekiqi" <lutfi at mjekiqi.fsnet.co.uk>
> To: "Saimir Celo" <saimir_1 at yahoo.co.uk>, <alb-club at alb-net.com>,
>    <albanian at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu>, <albanian-uk at alb-net.com>,
>    <nyc-l at alb-net.com>, <prishtina-e at alb-net.com>,
<prishtina-l at alb-net.com>,
>    <tetova-l at alb-net.com>, <albsa-info at alb-net.com>, <puka at usa.net>,
>    <ipanajoti at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: [Albanian-UK] Re: [ALBSA-Info] 1/3 of Macedonia's Airforce de
stroyed
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:19:32 -0000
>
> A nuk mundet njeriu te supozoje se cfare kombesie tjetri i takon pa
> prejudikuar kombesine e vet?
> P.sh. nese une them se besoj se Besimi eshte Finlandez, kjo nuk prejudikon
> faktin se une jam apo jo Finlandez- s'ka te beje fare me ate se cfare jam
> une.
>
> >E dyta: E c'do te thuash "Ma merr mendja qe kjo eshte
> >shqiptare" , po ti c'je pastaj?
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:31:13 -0600
> To: albsa-info at alb-net.com
> From: etel <deti at ont.com>
> Subject: [ALBSA-Info] Learning about people
>
> Have you ever thought how fascinating it is to try to understand people,
or
> listen to their stories? Well, I have, because it amazes me how much your
> lips can stratch from smiling when you listen to people. As a two-times
> immigrant in the course of four years I have had the chance to learn a lot
> from people of different cultures and mentalities. I have lived in
Albania,
> Greece, and now United States, three countries so radically different from
> each other, yet when it comes to people I have come to the conclusion that
> no matter where you go you are going to come across three very amusing
> types of people: the arrogant the shallow, and those never happy no matter
> what.
>
> Now, I find arrogant people entertaining because they really think they
are
> something. You know how the saying goes, "Listen to the fool. EVen they
> have something to teach you." You can easily recognize these people by
what
> they say: Key word: "I". The interesting thing about them is that they so
> strongly believe they are the best and they know everything than when you
> talk to them you can feel how desperately they need attention. They
usually
> are very critical of others and I believe they have developed some type of
> inferiority complex which they try to hide by coming out as very
> presemptuous, and terribly amusing for that matter. Whenever I have
> conversations with these people I've noticed I nod quite a bit; they won't
> notice if you dont by the way; they're too busy taking care of their
> perfect image. Remember: Attention is what they need from you. If you ever
> feel the need to become their friend, please remember you have to learn to
> be humble. Dont get me wrong: YOU WONT LEARN THAT FROM THEM. It's just
that
> when they notice you are the humble type they will like you. Another thing
> that I have noticed is that you have to develop the virtue of being
> patient. They will talk forever about the perfection in them...I think
they
> really like to hear their own voice, and I've always suspected to them it
> probably sounds like a nightengale's voice. If you are expecting them to
> remember your name, age or social status: YOU'RE WRONG. That means you are
> going to gather so much information about them that you might as well
start
> writing their memoir. Like this girl who works with me. Absolutely
> sophisticated. Modesty is a word whose meaning fades if mentioned in the
> same sentence with her name. By the second day I had learned by heart her
> favorite classical composers, painters, poets, and the names of all the
> guys who thought she was ubelievably interesting. In the short time we
> talked I was told I was cute, but I needed to work on fixing my hair, buy
> another purse, and wear different make-up. I only smiled and released an
> innocent sigh thinking "Oh my god, what was going to be of me without
her."
>
> You think you've had your share of interesting people. Wrong. There's more
> for yours and mine entertainment. Shallow people. These are the folks
whose
> world is as big as the area from their eyes to the tip of their nose.
> Things to look for in these people: Materialism, egoism, no sensibility,
> and if you add some arrogance you get a fine mixture. Most people would
> think of politicians and rich folks as such, but really if you think of it
> you meet these characters everywhere. YOu might have known someone who you
> thought was really mature, whose only big worry was her nails, and the
> split ends of her hair. Not to mention that there are girls as old as 11
> years old being sold as prostitutes and being sexually mutilated in other
> parts of the world. Oh yeah, I forgot, we dont really have time to think
of
> these things during our busy lives, but Im hoping most of us at least
care.
> Shallow people dont know how to care. Suffering is an unknown notion for
> them and if someone is in need....too bad life is not fair for everyone.
> What really makes me find them interesting is the fact thet they are
> oblivious to little things that make me smile; like the rising of the sun,
> a spring day, a smile. SOmetimes you look into their eyes and wonder if
> they ever feel thankful they have a roof aboove their head, a bed to sleep
> in,and some food for the day. Probably not. A little trick here. If you
> ever thinking of making fun of them tell them their best friend has bought
> the best car ever, and he's dating the hottest girl in town, and dont'
> forget to mention she owns a private jet. A piece of advice. It's always
> safe to keep a small fan in your pocket just in case they faint from the
> most worrisome piece of information they have ever received. If you tell
> them there's more important things in life than having money stacked under
> your pillow they will probably think there's a need for an interpreter due
> to language differences between the two of you. Don't forget: "I dont
care"
> is what makes up most of their vocabulary.
>
> Last but not least, these are the people who I love the most. They are
> never happy with anything. What distinguishes them from others is the fact
> that they walk around carrying a serious face, and if you happen to smile
> in front of them, they'll think you dont know the real meaning of life. I
> laugh at these people when they come to eat at the restaurant I work at as
> a waitress. You can distinguish them from the furthest corner of the
> restaurant. At the dinner table they sit without looking at me when I
> approach them with a smile asking about their order. I have never thought
I
> have an intimidating figure, but I have started to doubt they are scared
of
> smiling waitresses. I call them Franksteins. How does a waiter know
they're
> going to have an interesting evening? When these people sit in their
> section and after all the service they get, they will ultimately want to
> complain to a menager. After all is done for them, they will walk out
> furious threatening they will never come back. Big loss for the
> restaurant....for me too, I wont have anybody to make fun of. Like this
> lady I served to once. She seemed to be unhappy even of her own shadow.
> After all the service she got, I realized it was not me, or my service, it
> was the fact that she couldn't find one more thing to complain about. I
> forgot to suggest she could complain about my height. Then, there's your
> cooworkers. Those who work hard and never complain, and those who drag
> their feet in total unhappiness because they are carrying two plates from
> the kitchen door 10 feet to the dishpit. If you tell them maybe they need
> to get another job, they will despise you. If you tell them maybe it's not
> as bad, at least they're taking some money home, they will give you this
> "go-to-hell-look". I try...but it's never easy to make these people happy.
> At least I can entertain myself when Im having a bad night.
>
> So, what do you guys think? Life is not as boring after all. I have
> realized that there is so much you can learn about human nature from every
> person you meet. If you only mastered the skill of listening more
carefully
> you'll find people so interesting, you will be amazed at how different yet
> fundamentally similar we all are. In the end there should be no
> prejudices...we all have our own things people laugh at. The arrogant, the
> shallow people, and those never happy irritate us most of the times, but
> what would life be without the lessons they teach us? The point is: Have
> fun while learning about yourself and others. It's not as bad as it seems.
>
>
>
> Texas, 2001
> Etel H.
>
>
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