From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Mon Apr 3 01:05:01 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Mon Apr 3 01:05:01 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kosovare dhe "shqiptare"... Message-ID: <000801bf9cf3$99316380$7b01a8c0@kastriot> Se fundi (por besoj jo per here te fundit) u rikthye ne liste polemika mes > kosovareve dhe "shqiptareve". > Me sa me duket mua, ne shqiptaret (une bej pjese nder ta, me te mirat dhe te > keqijat e trasheguara) e kemi teper te zhvilluar prirjen per te kritikuar, > por fatkeqesisht shume me te zhvilluar se sa prirjet per te gjetur zgjidhje, > vepruar e marre vendime. Ky eshte nje handikap i madh. Pasoja, po sipas > meje, eshte se ata qe me shume vuajne nga kjo semundje, clirojne energji > negative duke share e fyer kedo, e me ne fund veten e tyre. > Dikush ka thene se aftesia per veteqortim eshte shenje inteligjence dhe > emancipimi. Por cfare eshte aftesia per perbuzur gjenezen tende? Nese je nje > pjese e nje bajge te ndare nga rrota e qerres, pse nuk merr mundimin e te > zvarrisesh deri tek WC-ja, perpara se ta bejne kete te tjeret? > > Per disa eshte teper ngushelluese te leshojne mbi shqiptaret e Kosoves akuza > nga me idiotet si "c'deshet ju qe u ngritet, kur i kishit te gjitha", apo > "ju merreni me droge e prostitucion", apo "jeni derra muslimane". Komplekset > e tyre te inferioritetit duket se mpihen ne kete menyre: sidoqofte ka edhe > me te keqinj se ne... > > Por ngado qe te shkojme, ne fund perseri do te kthehemi tek pyetja "Cfare te > bejme?". Pra cfare te mund dhe duhet te bejme kunder prostitucionit, droges, > dhunes e me rradhe varferise, varesise politike, injorances...Ketu > "shqiptaret" heshtin. Kur shtrohet kjo pyetje ata kthejne shpinen e thone: > merruni ju shqiptaret me mutin tuaj. une jam amerikan!... > > Urimi im eshte qe kjo liste te mbetet e shqiptareve (andej e ketej kufirit) > pa "shqiptaret" dhe "amerikanet". Nese keta te fundit nuk bejne dot pa u > cjerre perdite me sllogane nacionaliste, u sugjeroj t'i ruajne baterite per > te pasur ndonje shans per te fituar ne konkursin vjetor "Klithma me e madhe > e vitit" qe zhvillohet rregullisht ne Tokio. > > Pershendetje, > Kastriot > > > From shqipo at netscape.net Mon Apr 3 01:05:03 2000 From: shqipo at netscape.net (Ledio Veseli) Date: Mon Apr 3 01:05:03 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Shpronesime?! Message-ID: <20000403030740.11762.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Kjo eshte botuar sot ne Gazeta Ekonomia. Kujtova se me komunizmin (ne Shqiperi) iku edhe koha e shpronesimeve por sic duket qenkam gabuar. "Qeveria p?rs?ri p?r shpron?simet Dje pasdite, n?n drejtimin e Kryeministrit Ilir Meta, u zhvillua mbledhja e radh?s e K?shillit t? Ministrave, ku u miratuan disa vendime, q? kan? t? b?jn? me vazhdimin e thellimin e reformave n? vendin ton? dhe paraqesin interes social ekonomik p?r publikun e gjer?. Sipas burimeve nga Departamenti i Informacionit pran? K?shillit t? Ministrave, qeveria morri vendim p?r shpron?simin p?r interes publik t? pasurive t? paluajtshme, q? z? rehabilitimi i aksit rrugor "Durr?s - Rrogozhin?" dhe vendimi p?r mb?shtetjen financiare t? sh.a. "Superfosfati Kurbin". Gjithashtu, n? mbledhjen e K?shillit t? Ministrave u miratuan edhe vendimet: - P?r rregullat dhe m?nyr?n e funksionimit t? komisionit t? posa??m p?r shpron?simet; Ledio http://shqipo.cjb.net http://www.delphi.com/shqipo ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From bakigal at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 09:57:07 2000 From: bakigal at hotmail.com (Genc Baki) Date: Mon Apr 3 09:57:07 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Ahhhhhh, Alb-Club-i. Message-ID: <20000403080201.2497.qmail@hotmail.com> Pershendetje te gjitheve. Na i kalitet nervat fare keto kohet e fundit. Kurozitetit dhe kenaqesise se fillimit(muaj me pare) kur hapja mesazhet e klubit ua kane zene vendet nervoziteti, pasiguria dhe keqardhja sidomos pas leximit te mesazheve. Dhe c'eshte me e keqja sheh se ne fund fare te gjithe vetem kane folur e folur por asgje me vlere, e re apo interesante eshte thene nga askush. Alb-club-i ka ndryshuar shume nga c'ishte disa muaj me pare dhe me vjen keq kur them se ndryshimi nuk eshte per mire. Mesazhet qe dergohen(botohen) ne liste jane te shkruar nga psudo-gjithkush: pseudostudiues, pseudoshkencetare, pseudodemokrate, pseudonacionaliste, pseudoliberale, pseudoeseiste, pseudoanetare madje ka edhe pseudoshqiptare. Nuk besoj se qellimi i Alb-Club-it ka qene (dhe eshte) te behet nje pseudoforum dhe gjithashtu edhe qellimi i anetareve te tij te jete te marrin pjese ne nje pseudoforum. Eshte per te ardhur keq por duket se jemi akoma ne fazen e kerkimit te identitetit kombetar. Kjo duket qarte ne mesazhet e fundit ku diskutohet pa fund vetem per te kaluaren e historine pa sjelle asgje konkrete per te sotmen dhe te ardhmen. Diskutohet per origjinen tone, flamurin, luftrat e shkuara, Skenderbeun e Enver Hoxhen, Marin Barletin, ngjasimet e kafkes e te dhenave te tjera te shqiptareve te sotem me ata te epokes se gurit por lajme te suksesit te shqiptareve neper bote si ai i cmimit te marre nga Fatos Muca kohe me pare nuk po degjohen me. Po tregohemi specialiste ne cdo fushe pa thene asgje konkrete. C'u be me ato planet per te hapur rubrika me tema te ndryshme? Rubrika e Stock Market po zhduket pak nga pak, rubrika e letersise u mbyll akoma pa u hapur mire, nuk ka me keshilla nga specialiste te fushave te ndryshme. Ketyre rubrikave ua kane zene vendet thirrjet "rrofte" e "poshte", kerkesat per viza e certifikata fallso, krahasimet e Shqiperise me "nje bajge te ndare nga qerrja" ku ne i biem te jemi krimbat e kesaj bajge. Rrespekti per vetevehten ka humbur krejtesisht. Shpifjet, kundershpifjet, vertetimet, kundervertetmet jane bere tema kryesore e mesazheve. Deri kur? Nuk flas per te tjeret por per vehte po e shtyj me zor per te qene anetar i kesaj liste sepse vertet dua te jem por nuk mund te vazhdoj te acaroj nervat me tema te pavlera e me keq akoma me menyren se si ato trajtohen nga individe te ndryshem ne liste. Me besoni kur them se dua te jem anetar i kesaj liste por ju lutem me lini te jem akoma. Gjithe te mirat, Genc Baki. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From divanie at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 10:04:10 2000 From: divanie at yahoo.com (Sam Sammy) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:04:10 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Pergjigje Message-ID: <20000403065010.13314.qmail@web2104.mail.yahoo.com> Sa here qe kam fole ndonje fjale per komunistat e urryer, gjithemone me jane pergjigjur ne Email. Me kane shkruar mrekullit e ish pushtetit popullor, po ashtu me kane shkruar se si u shkaterrua shqiperia me ardhjen e Berishes ne fuqi. Tashti na dolli dhe nje komunist tjeter me emer K. Cipi ku me nje doreshkrim me tregon injorancen time, sepse jam ipasjonuar ne demokracine shqiptare. Ky njeri e tregon hapur qe duhet te ket mbaruar shkollen e Marksismit ne Rusi ose ne Bullgari, sikur ky person te vuante nga ndonje semundje kanceroze me siguri do kishte shpres se 50% munt te sherohej.Tashti qe i ka trut te lara eshte e pa mundur qe ky person te sherohet, por me qene se ky njeri ka nje shoqe ne Austri dhe ajo lexon psikologjine, ajo per hater te shoqeris duhet ta shikoj psikon te koka dhe te kembet dhe ti thot diagnozen dhe ta kshilloj ajo duke i thene; realitetin se komunizmi te ka lene gjysmak nga trut dhe mos u bej bezdi shqiptarve qe nuk jane komunista. Une do isha shume i kenaqur sikur Albaclub te kishte dy seksione nje per demokratet dhe tjetra per komunistat, sepse kur lexon shkrimet e nje komunisti dhe kur shoh pasojat se cfare i solli popullit shqiptar aty cdo njeri do nxjerr konkulzjonin se me te vertet komunizmi eshte kanali i ujrave te zeza dhe me dashje apo pa dashje cdo njeri behet nevrik nga keta persona te pa riabilitushem ku deri ne vdekje kane per te njohur vetem Enverin si babe. Eshte e ditur boterisht se 99% ata persona qe u futen neper abasadat e huaja ne Tirane ishin djemt e komunistave ose te officerave te sigurimit dhe shume djem prej tyre ne emmigracjon akoma lahen ne pishinen e babes. Te gjitha krimet me nje perqindje 90% behen nga femija ish officereve ose perbere nga famije komunisti.Komunistat akoma nuk besojne se komunizmi vdiq, por mendja ben hatane se ata mendojne se bollsheviket do kthehen prap, kete mendim ka dhe Cipi. Ai nuk do ta besoj kure se Sala do kthehet prap se eshte demokrat se gabimet e Sales jane te pakta ne krahasim me ujrat e zeza te komunizmit. Si shoket e Cipit nuk i ngarkoj me faj se jane te semure te shkretet dhe semundja mendore i ben dhe injorant, keta njeres jane te pa vlefshem per ata qe mendojne realitetin e jetes. Ne pergjithesi te gjitha familjet komuniste jane familje te liga te krijuara nga ish puntoret e bejlereve dhe ish familjet e keputura fshatare. ATT. per lexusit demokrat me falni per fjalorin e dobet ne shkrimin shqip sepse nuk kam qene ne shkolle shqipe dhe shkruaj vetem si mbas foljes ne shqip dhe si shqiptar nuk e shikoj te arresyshme te shkruaj ne inglish se shume shqiptar ndofta nuk do ta kene mundesin te lexojne me gjuhe te huaj. Me Respekt Sami Samiu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From atena20 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 10:06:02 2000 From: atena20 at hotmail.com (Atena Bishka) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:06:02 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Te sjellurit si njerez Message-ID: <20000403133852.87515.qmail@hotmail.com> Te dashur anetare te listes, Besoj se e keni vene re qe ne mesazhin "Patologjikut GH vs Friendship" nuk reflektohet aspak se cili eshte qendrimi im ndaj ideve te GH. Sido qe te jete ky qendrim, ai nuk ka te beje fare me bindjen time se njerzit duhet te sillen si njerez kur diskutojne, e te mos merren me analiza personale. Ndoshta ndokush mund te kete vene re gjithashtu se kete mendim e kam shprehur edhe here te tjera gjate pjesemarrjes time ne kete liste. E ndjej qe ky nuk eshte mendim i pelqyeshem. Se paku me rezulton te jete i parendesishem. Tani e kam te qarte qe duhet t'i ve kapak kesaj pune. Nuk ia vlen te krijoj acarime te tilla. Parid perse je kaq i vrazhde dhe i pasjellshem? Ne cilen kallo te kam shkelur valle? Nuk ma ha mendja qe nje nga arsyet te kete qene inaktiviteti im kohet e fundit. A mos me ka shpetuar gje ndonje rregull i cili percakton se sa duhet te jete numri i shkrimeve per njesi kohe qe duhet te dergoj per listen? Sidoqofte, nuk deshiroj te me pergjigjesh. Konsideroje te mbyllur komunikimin me mua. Kokecarje nga une nuk do te kesh me. Qysh nga ky moment mos me llogarit me. Gjithe te mirat per ju miq te listes, Atena Bishka ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From diana35_1 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 10:06:03 2000 From: diana35_1 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:06:03 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] enjoy evolution! Message-ID: <20000403090534.2553.qmail@web3406.mail.yahoo.com> Njehere e nje kohe kur fyenim njeri tjetrin perdornim shprehjet: ti je per pavionin e 17 te; psikopat; skicofren; etj qe s'me kujtohen me . Sigurisht qe s'me kujtohen me,... tani lexoj COSMOPOLITAN, dhe bej nje d?marche te nje njeriu te kultivuar per te vleresuar tjetrin. P. sh. e quaj tjetrin pathologjik, qe ka nevoje per nje terapi psikanaliste si paoje e disfunksionimit psiqik. E keqja eshte se tek COSMOPOLITAN s'merret vesh mire c'eshte nje psikiater, c'eshte nje psikanalist, c'eshte nje psikolog, c'dreqin ben sociologu, ku i fut hundet etnologu et te tjera -og, -og, -og. Po t'i pervetesoja te gjitha keto terma menjehere do te ishte nje revolucion e si alergjike nga revolucioni, zhvillohem me hapa te buta, te brishta, etike, romantike, femerore, poetike, pra evoluoj. And I enjoy it! Is anybody else enjoying the evolution like me? NO? YOU NEED A PSY... ===== D. all you need is love __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Rezana_Elmasllari at dai.com Mon Apr 3 10:06:06 2000 From: Rezana_Elmasllari at dai.com (Rezana_Elmasllari at dai.com) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:06:06 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Skandal tjeter i PBDNJ-se Message-ID: <852568B6.0037C18F.00@CCMSMTP.DAI.COM> ore Marko ku e ke marre kete informacion ti sepse nuk eshte aspak e vertete qe kane filluar hetimet dhe po merret Prokuroria me kete ceshtje. Kaq se nuk dua te futem ne keto debate se keto problemet e kompanive huammarese jane bere aq te bezdisshme sa nuk duam te degjojme per to. From diana35_1 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 10:06:10 2000 From: diana35_1 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Mon Apr 3 10:06:10 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] burra , pse shpreheni ne emer te femrave? Message-ID: <20000403095344.19976.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> PTP2000 shkruan Atena (duke qare): E shikon? Por ne, pjesa femerore e Klubit do t'i dalim perzot GH-se. Vertet? Ashtu te duket ty? Kjo eshte ta shikosh shishen gjysem te zbrazur jo gjysem te mbushur. Pjesa femerore e klubit mbase preferon ty se sa nje lepurush te pambrojtur. diana __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From albana at zool.unizh.ch Mon Apr 3 13:08:07 2000 From: albana at zool.unizh.ch (Albana Rexhepi) Date: Mon Apr 3 13:08:07 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kultura e diskutimit In-Reply-To: <200004031602.e33G2KR28197@alb-net.com> Message-ID: "Mesazhet qe dergohen(botohen) ne liste jane te shkruar nga psudo-gjithkush: pseudostudiues, pseudoshkencetare, pseudodemokrate, pseudonacionaliste, pseudoliberale, pseudoeseiste, pseudoanetare madje ka edhe pseudoshqiptare. Nuk besoj se qellimi i Alb-Club-it ka qene (dhe eshte) te behet nje pseudoforum dhe gjithashtu edhe qellimi i anetareve te tij te jete te marrin pjese ne nje pseudoforum. " Po nisem nga mesazhi i mesiperm, por ju referohem edhe shume mesazheve te tjera te me se fundmi qe ndjekin te njejten linje dhe qe karakterizohen nga klasificizmi. Klasificizmi duket te jete nje nga fenomenet me dominante te kesaj liste, klasifikohen njerezit, klasifikohen shtetet, klasifikohen argumentat. Mendoj se ne nje diskutim elementi baze eshte argumenti. Klasificizmi nuk eshte argument. Klasificizmi eshte nje perpjekje artificiale, skolastike per te sistemuar, per te reduktuar kompleksitetin ne nje situate me te thjeshte. Shpesh therritet ne ndihme per te mbushur vendin e zbrazet te argumentit. Eshte nje e vertete qe komunizmi shqiptar nuk e ka ushqyer kulturen e diskutimit, ashtu sic eshte e vertete qe ky sistem serviri klasificizmin per argument duke e shnderruar ate pak nga pak ne nje instrument te ngjashem me hanxharin. Per te prere koka, per te denigruar identitetin njerezor, per te cvleresuar argumentin, per te varrosur per se gjalli dijen. Ne kete liste klasificizmi ka marre permasat e vulgaritetit. Vulgariteti eshte kthyer ne nje virtut. Virtuti eshte nxjerre ne rruge te prostituoje. E verteta eshte shnderruar ne nje prone personale. Vetja eshte zevendesuar me unin absolut. Uni absolut pasi ka vrare edhe shpirtin e vet eshte shnderruar ne sistem klasificizmi. Eshte e trishtueshme, e trishtueshme tek sheh deri ku shkon egoja njerezore. Albana From PTP2000 at aol.com Mon Apr 3 14:43:30 2000 From: PTP2000 at aol.com (PTP2000 at aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:43:30 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Atena, Altin Topi dhe GH Message-ID: <10.1d1deac.261a3e6b@aol.com> Atena, It was a joke. You are overreacting, making me feel like a monster being rude to the angels. Look at GH, how cool he is. Pergjigja e vetme qe jep per kryevepren denigruese te Altin Topit eshte se ky i fundit del ne fotografi me tuta te reja prane Koloseut. LOL Altini eshte sistematik dhe shkruan per Listen vetem te premten. Mezi pres fundjaven te lexoj se si e imagjinon Altini fotografine e GH-se. Parid From Adis68 at aol.com Mon Apr 3 14:44:35 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:44:35 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Calling Albania from USA - 24 c/min Message-ID: <62.22668a0.261a1f49@aol.com> Sign up online for the best deal ever. phoneintercom That is what I am using. They have switch or no switch programs. They have excellent rates to every country but there are some countries with the best rates in the industry: Albania 24 c/min, Yugoslavia 28, Italy 12, Germany 10, France 10, UK 8, Bulgaria 25, Buenos Aires 17, Australia 12, Bosnia 27, Sao Paolo 12, China 27, Bogota 14, Croatia 25, Czech 23, Hong Kong 9, Hungary 20, Lebanon 49, Japan 12, Mexico City 12, Netherlands 9, Norway 11, Poland 22, Romania 28, Russia 21, Singapore 14, South Korea 12, Syria 58, Ukraine 23. Domestic 6.9 There is no monthly fee or any other fees associated with their programs. Pay only for the minutes you spend on the phone . phoneintercom P.S. If you can find a better deal please let me know. From ketihysenbegasi at yahoo.com Mon Apr 3 14:44:36 2000 From: ketihysenbegasi at yahoo.com (Keti Hysenbegasi) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:44:36 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Paridit Message-ID: <20000403160338.12008.qmail@web703.mail.yahoo.com> Paridi shkruan: E more Parid, si ta marr kete si te vertete apo te sajuar? Sigurisht eshte e sajuar por te falet meqenese eshte derguar me 1 Prill diten e genjeshtrave. Era bej nje nder kesaj liste: Mos e ler me Paridin te jete moderator... Shendet Keti __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From darklady31 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 14:44:41 2000 From: darklady31 at hotmail.com (Dark Lady) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:44:41 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Pranoni Ndihmen Time Message-ID: <20000403181955.12890.qmail@hotmail.com> Sapo vura re se eshte rritur kerkesa per psikiater,ne kete periudhe epidemije,vendosa te ofroj ndihmen time si psikiatre me mjaft pervoje.Psiko-terapia ime fillon aty ku mbaron ajo e psikollogeve te tjere:SEKSI Me kot e dashur Era i kerkon shkaqet ne lodhjen mendore,ose Ti D ne "metropolitan" a ne te kuptuarit e revolucionit.Eshte insuficenca seksuale qe shkakton kete c'regullim fatal.Me sa vezhgova,kjo ndjehet me teper tek mshkujt e alb-club-it.Duhet nxituar femra!Ketu ta tregojme revolucionin dhe evolucionin.T'i ndihmojme meshkujt te permbushin deshirat e tyre seksuale,transseksuale, biseksuale,animale....Une vete jam e hapur per ndihme ne cdo moment.Ju garantoj sherim te plote me ruajtje sekreti. Paciente te tjere po me presin... Eli Tase ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From pifto at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 14:45:48 2000 From: pifto at hotmail.com (GH) Date: Mon Apr 3 14:45:48 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] 50 rreshta (pjesa I) Message-ID: <20000403143855.33430.qmail@hotmail.com> From: << Gjendja filloi te duket e dyshimte qe kur The International Council on Psychic Research filloi te afrohet me ne dhe te kerkoje qe t'i veme ne dispozicion arkivat e kesaj liste. Fusha e interesit te tyre perfshin rastet e personalitetit te dyzuar qe shprehet qarte ne perdorimin e me shume se dy "screen names" te anetareve, manine e persekutimit, inicialomanine, ndjenjen e madheshtise, krizat e identitetit, etj. Ne shkembim te ketij sherbimi na ofruan ndihmen e nje grupi psikiatresh me reputacion nderkombetar te specializuar ne rastet e mesiperme, ndihme e cila mua me duket me interes dhe do thosha qe ta pranojme...sidomos po te na ofrojne nje cmim "me shumice" ose "group rate". >> .........(per pjesen tjeter shiko Arkivin) Une kam frike se ti nuk lejohesh t'i sheses dot shkrimet e derguara nga antaret e Albklub e as t'i dhurosh ato nderkohe qe kete veprim e kryen nga pozicioni i administratores ne liste, persa kohe qe ne paraprakisht nuk kemi bere nje marreveshje per kete qellim. Praktika juridike e viteve te fundit (dhe e vetmja mbi kete argument te ri) i trajton shkrimet e derguara ne nje liste diskutimesh virtuale jo edhe si delegime automatike te te drejtes se autorit apo asaj te pronesise, nderkohe qe antaresimi ne nje liste dhe per me teper pjesmarrja ne diskutimin qe kryhet mbart ne vetvete edhe mbylljen heshturazi te nje kontrate te mbrojtjes se pasurise intelektuale e materiale te autorit midis ketij te fundit dhe bordit te listes. Per te bere kete qe kerkon te besh ti Albclub duhet te ndryshoje rregullat e tij me heret ku te perfshije te pakten dy pika: 1. Shkrimet e derguara ne Albclub jane nga momenti i mberritjes ne server prone e Eres. 2. Diskutimi virtual ne Albclub nderrmiret nen kuadrin e karakterit ekonomik fitimprures se bordit te tij. Pavaresisht nga fakti se si i ofrohet publikisht pasuria intelektuale (me pasuri intelektuale ne kuptimin juridiko-civil kuptohet cdo pacavure e shkruar ne kete liste) e nje autori (falas) bordi i listes qe fton njerezit ne diskutim nuk mund te nderhyje aktivisht per ta tjetersuar ate e aq me pak me qellim fitimprures, nderkohe qe kjo gjendje vazhdon derisa autori vete apo trashegimtaret e tij (vetem ata ligjore) nuk jane shprehur ndryshe. Nese ti ne menyre jashtekontraktore shet me cilesine e administratores se listes tek mjeke psikiater objektin e mesiperm gjendja nderlikohet edhe me tej. Pervec se ti je begatuar pa shkak, rrethane qe do te terhiqte me vete te drejten e zevendesimit te demit te shaktuar autorit, pasurine e te cilit ti sapo e shite, ti sapo ke kryer edhe nje kundravajtje te lehte penale (pervetesim i pasurise se tjetrit) por shpesh me pasoja katastrofike te natyres juridiko-civile, nese ti si administratore e nje diskutimi e vendos permbajtjen e tij ne dispozicion te subjekteve te interesuara per kerkime shkencore ne fushen e psikiatrise apo psikollogjise. Per t'i rene shkurt nje argumenti tmerresisht te gjate e te nderlikuar, lipset ndoshta te shtohet qe vecanerisht pertej detit, vlera e padive te tilla per zevendesimin e demit moral nuk kane cati, prsakohe qe kudo ne boten e civilizuar merret si i mireqene fakti, qe vendimi per t'u vene ne dispozicion te vezhgimeve te llojit te mesiperm si eksluzivisht personal nuk eshte i tjetersueshem. (per shkak se mesazhi im i pare nuk mund te shperndahej per shkak te tejkalimit te kuotes prej 50 rreshtave dhe permbajtjes se tij seksuale (?!), jam i detyruar ta kepus ketu kete argument per ta vijuar te moderuar ne nje pjese te dyte te tij.) From marsi at vcn.bc.ca Mon Apr 3 16:09:52 2000 From: marsi at vcn.bc.ca (Margarita Ifti) Date: Mon Apr 3 16:09:52 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Pranoni Ndihmen Time In-Reply-To: <20000403181955.12890.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Dark Lady wrote: > Sapo vura re se eshte rritur kerkesa per psikiater, ne kete periudhe > epidemie, vendosa te ofroj ndihmen time si psikiatre me mjaft pervoje. > Psikoterapia ime fillon aty ku mbaron ajo e psikologeve te tjere: SEKSI Hmmmm... sic ndodh rendom nder mjekergjatet e zyrave, kjo ideja e Elit ndriti nje shkendije gjenialiteti ne koken... time, kujt tjeter? ;-b (Era, mos u nxef, ate gjuhen po ia nxjerr haptasi fare vetes sime) Po sikur gjithe c'u mungon ketyre djemave te jete PUNA? Sepse edhe fjala e arte e historise e thote: "Arbeit macht frei", papo edhe pervoja e perforcon kete thenie te arte. Pra, ne ofrojme kuren e punes, dhe ofrojme edhe pune: ne keto kohera kemi nevoje per krahe pune ne jahtin tone, se e kemi nxjerre ne terre' dhe po i bejme punimet e mirembajtjes. Puna eshte e rende, fizike, por tamam ajo duhet per raste te tilla (argument shtese, pervec citatit te mesiperm, eshte Celentano---e kujtoni filmin, kur cante dru?) Natyrisht qe si komponent i terapise, kjo pune nuk paguhet (do te quhet si nje lloj e diele komuniste), perkundrazi marresit e terapise do te duhet te paguajne per sherbimin qe u behet... po prisni nje minute, se po rikonsiderojme: si shperblim per punen e bere e djersen e derdhur, terapia eshte pa pagese. Pra, pacientet qe jetojne ne zonen rretheqark te bekuarit Vankuver jane te mirepritur. Natyrisht ata qe jane te gatshem te udhetojne per te marre melhemin e shumedeshiruar, mirepriten gjithashtu. Shendet dhe mos harroni oferten tone, Margarita Ifti & Paul Neumann. From albanian_angel at hotmail.com Mon Apr 3 17:28:01 2000 From: albanian_angel at hotmail.com (Albanian Angel) Date: Mon Apr 3 17:28:01 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] change address Message-ID: <20000403195704.46985.qmail@hotmail.com> Can one of the moderators do me a big favour?? I would love if you would change my e-mail address (in your membership list) from albanian_angel at hotmail.com to demcellv at mail.reinhardt.edu , this is my address at school and i dont have e limit on the messages that i receive like hotmail does. I really like your list, you guys do a great job and interesting topics. Thank you Viola ============= Albanian Angel Georgia, USA SUCCES IS NOT THE POSSITION WHERE U ARE, BUT IS THE DIRECTION IN WHICH YOU ARE GOING ============= ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From LasiewiczN at aol.com Tue Apr 4 08:30:28 2000 From: LasiewiczN at aol.com (LasiewiczN at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 08:30:28 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Alice Mead on TRIBUNAL WATCH Message-ID: <7e.3115e74.261aefee@aol.com> Beginning Wednesday, April 6, the electronic discussion board TRIBUNAL WATCH will present the second in a new series of interactive discussions called the "Special Guest" series. This month's guest is author Alice Mead. All currently subscribed members of the TWATCH-L will have the opportunity to discuss topics with Mrs. Mead and to enter into the discussion which will follow over the course of several days. Alice is a very large hearted and wonderful woman that anyone would be lucky to count on as a friend. On the suggestion of some professional contacts, Alice traveled to Albania and Kosovo during the early 1990's to see how she might be able to help address what she was told about a disaster in the area of children's education and the stifling lack of resources for schools in the region. After learning first had about the hardships of the Kosovar population under the newly radicalized Serbian regime, she wrote "Adem's Cross," a story of a 14-year old Albanian Kosovar youth during the 1990's. Although it was written for the youth market, the descriptions of life under the widespread political repression was of great interest to many adults as well. "Adem" faces enormous personal crises when Serbian police come into his village and he is forced to escape potential arrest by taking a dangerous journey out of Kosovo. By the end of the book, he comes to understand that this conflict is not a simple case of Good v.s. Bad as he had been taught by his elders and larger community. In fact he found Serbs and Roma who helped him escape and he learned that you can never be sure where the light of human compassion and individual sacrifice will shine brightest. Currently, Alice has continued to show her friendship with the beleagured people of Kosovo. She is currently campaigning the U.N., the US government, and the Serbian government to bring the cases of hundreds of still jailed and missing Kosovar Albanians since the conflict with NATO began last year. Alice has been named the U.S. Representative to The Association of Political Prisoners in Prishtina. This networks of human rights activists and survivors and families of still missing and jailed political prisoners are working pressure Serbian into compliance with Geneva Conventions for these prisoners. You can read some of Alice's reports and activities at the "Kosovo Connection" section of her website at: Alice Mead Home Page Opener >From the A-PAL web site: http://home.maine.rr.com/alicemead/ "In the current situation in Kosova, it is not just the abducted persons who are suffering these gross injustices, but their family members are suffering cruelly as well. According to the Amnesty report, the mental and emotional torment of families who don't know if their loved ones are dead or alive causes anguish that is the equivalent of torture in itself." In order to participate in the discussion with Alice Mead, readers must join the list. There is no cost to joining the discussion board. To subscribe, send an e-mail message to: listserv at listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu In the body of your message, simply type: SUBSCRIBE TWATCH-L [and your name here] We invite you to join the Tribunal Watch discussion group today so that you will be ready and on-line for the beginning of the discussion of Wednesday. TRIBUNAL WATCH has members among concerned citizens from around the world, as well as policy-makers, academics, activists, journalists, and NGOs. The list serves as a means to sharing information among organizations, individuals and groups working on legal, political, social, and other issues related to the ICTY and the continuing political/human rights issues confronting the people former Yugoslavia. The list is currently managed by members Keith Carney and Nalini Lasiewicz. Tribunal Watch archives are on-line at: http://list serv.acsu.buffalo.edu/archives/twatch-l.html For more information, contact Nalini Lasiewicz, Lasiewicz Foundation, 323/668-1811 or email to: LasiewiczN at aol.com From Fifapi at aol.com Tue Apr 4 08:30:59 2000 From: Fifapi at aol.com (Fifapi at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 08:30:59 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Letersia shqipe Message-ID: <15.26ce4e8.261af143@aol.com> Nje nga poezite me interesante te Shqiperise eshte poezia e mrekullueshme e Azem Shkrelit: "Kater keshilla vetes" Mos u bej poet nese s'mund te lindesh Poetet jane gjithmone nje risi, asnjehere nuk mund t'i lejojne vetes monotonine. Poetet duhet te lindin me seicilin varg. Ndaj ererave te koherave ata duhet te ngrihen krenare e te ngrene zerin e tyre ushtues ndaj padrejtesive, t'i thurin lavde ndjenjave, dashurise, njerezores. Kjo eshte ideja e Azem Shkrelit ne poezine e tij Kater keshilla vetes. Kater deshirat e mrekullueshme jane 4 strofa me nga dy vargje seicila, ku bucet zeri i nje poeti te mrekullueshem qe e ben gjuhen shqipe te tingelloje aq e embel. Dashurohu n'flak e n'val - i thote vetes poeti, ndjenjat e dashurise jane te pashmangshme, dhe nese do te dashurohesh dashuro me tere forcen e shpirtit tend. Mos shiko sy te kalter se behen det i cmendur pendimi, c'rendesi ka trupi, ana fizike kur zemrat jane dicka qe nuk shikohet. Njerezit kane nje dhurate te mrekullueshme nga natyra. Kane boten shqpirterore, ndjenjat, emocionet, mendimet. Ne cdo varg nje poet duhet te vdese, ne cdo varg poeti nxjerr dicka nga shpirti i tij, nje mendim nje ndjenje, duf, marre, ne cdo njeren prej ketyre nje pjese e individualitetit te poetit vdes. Vdes per t'u ringjallur perseri, per te qene pjese e te perhershmes, asaj qe ererat e koherave nuk kane c't'i bejne. Vdekja e autorit eshte si ajo e Feniksit, zogut qe nje here ne 100 vjet hidhej ne zjarr. Ne mengjes ribehej nga hiri i tij per te shkelqyer edhe me shume. Edhe poeti digjet ne flaket e ndjenjave te tij, dhe ne mengjes ka ndare dertet, mendimet, ndjenjat e tij me JETEN, me qeniet njerezore. Nese deshironi te lexoni poezi te shkrimtareve kosovare, shqiptare, came, te persekutuar, te realizmit socialist, te kohes se zogut, shkoni tek www.albclub.com dhe zgjidhni faqen letrare. Se shpejti do te shtojme rubriken e shkrimtareve te huaj, si SILKE BLUMBACH, qe tani rron ne Shqiperi, semure nga kanceri, dhe shkruan shqip. Poezite e saj jane te mrekullueshme, te zhdervjellta, dhe te mrekullueshme, por gjithashtu do te veme edhe poezite e Byronit dhe Longfellow. Dhe shume te tjereve. Nese deshironi te flisni per letersine mos e kerkoni nga te tjeret, por fillojeni vete diskutimin, dhe te jeni te sigurte qe shume njerez do t'ju ndjekin pas Fisnik Pirdeni From LasiewiczN at aol.com Tue Apr 4 08:31:15 2000 From: LasiewiczN at aol.com (LasiewiczN at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 08:31:15 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Re: Yugoslavia conference, Austin, TX Apr 14-16 Message-ID: <67.2bad4b8.261af22b@aol.com> I have received a hurried update on the speaker roster. Contact selb at mail.utexas.edu for registration information. Nalini Lasiewicz ======================= April 14-16, 2000 "The Future of the Past: Ten Years after Yugoslavia" Center for Russian, East-European, Eurasian Studies University of Texas at Austin "The conflicts dividing former Yugoslavia have obscured traditions of tolerance and cooperation in the region. This symposium will bring together artists, activists, scholars and public figures from each of the newly created countries of former Yugoslavia. Our purpose is to explore the complexities of the past and their bearing on the possibilities for a shared future." Bogdan Denitch Institute for the Transition to Democracy. Rajko Grlic film maker, Zagreb Drinka Gojkovic Mostovi, editor, Writer/translator(Belgrade Predrag Dojcinovic Erehwon ("Nowhere backwards"), Editor Amsterdam Bozidar Matic President, Academy of Arts and Sciences, B&H Former Federal Minister in the FSR Yugoslavia Naile Mala-Imami Lecturer, Albanian language, Belgrade University Jovan Divjak Deputy Commander Bosnian Army 1993-1997 President of Foundation for the Promotion of Civil Society Stojan Cerovic Harvard Nieman Recipient, Journalist, Vreme, Belgrade Veran Matic Executive Director Radio B2-92 (Belgrade) Salim Kovacevic President of Association of Refugees, Novo Mesto Slovenia Rastko Mocnik Ljubljana University, President Soros Slovenia Nenad Miscevic University of Maribor Rade Serbegia Actor (London-Zagreb) Juan Fernandez Eloriaga Balkan Bureau Chief, EFE (Spanish Press Agency) Darko Silovic Last SFRY Ambassador to Washington (New York) Dusan Makavejev Film maker (Paris-Belgrade) Velimir Viskovic Encyclopedia Krleziana . Alija Hodzic Institute Social Sciences Zagreb Ms.Dasa Sasic Silovic (Croatian) -Senior Advisor with UNDP on gender issues -President of the International Board of the CEE Network for Gender Issues in Budapest (co-operating with the OSCE). (New York-Budapest) Nikola Petkovic (Austin-Rijeka UT Edinburg) Andrew Wachtel Northwestern University Zelimir Zilnik Film maker Prague-Belgrade Dita Dauti Pristina-Austin Peter Jelavich University of Texas at Austin The meetings and film screenings will be held at the School of Architecture Goldsmith Hall, Main Auditorium University of Texas at Austin From Fifapi at aol.com Tue Apr 4 08:31:25 2000 From: Fifapi at aol.com (Fifapi at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 08:31:25 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Diskutimet e alb-club-it Message-ID: <13.371eba4.261aec50@aol.com> Se pari, do te doja te thoja se Alb-club eshte nje liste ku lejohen diskutime dhe debate nga me te ndryshmet. Ka shume vete qe dihet se jane te merzitur nga disa tema qe jane hapur kohet e fundit ne Alb-club, por mendoj se nje gabim i madh eshte ne leximin e temave. Se pari , s'besoj te kerkojme nga te tere ketu te jene specialiste ne fushat e tyre. Ceshtjet qe diskutohen kohet e fundit, jane te shumta. Sidomos ceshtjet per historine e Shqiperise si KOMB, jane te shumta, jo vetem per faktin se eshte nje teme ku shume njerez ndjejne se duhet te flasin, por gjithashtu sepse ne vertet jemi nje komb ne kerkim te te vertetes. Per mua si anetar i ketij klubi esht eme e rendesishme menyra se si diskutojne njerezit ketu, shkembimi i informacionit. Me lejoni te jap nje shembull. Le te themi se dy vete po sjellin nga 3-4 e-mail ne dite thjesht per nje ceshtje. Sigurisht qe do te jete e merzitshme. Por, te pakten kemi dy botekuptime te kunderta, argumentet e seicilit prej tyre(edhe nese ne i pranojme apo jo) na pasurojne ne ide. Do te dish t'i pergjigjesh si dikujt qe eshte kunder, edhe do te dish te japesh argumenta pro. Fisnik Pirdeni From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Tue Apr 4 10:00:30 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Tue Apr 4 10:00:30 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Moisiu, shqiptaret dhe austriaket References: <88.2002b42.26190960@aol.com> Message-ID: <009d01bf9dbf$9833a8e0$7a01a8c0@kastriot> Tungjatjeta Ferhat, meqenese kam studiuar teater, e ndjej per detyre te perpiqem te kenaq disi kuriozitetin tend. Ti pyet: Me intereson te di: sa eshte gjalle sot kujtimi i ketij aktori te madh ne kujtesen dhe imagjinaten e botes (kulturore) shqiptare? Gjyko vete! Sapo u ktheva nga klubi i Teatrit Kombetar ne Tirane. Si cdo nate atje kishte tym duhani, avuj alkooli dhe muhabete "burrash". Askush nuk e permendi Moisiun. As media nuk e ka pasqyruar. Tani qe lexova mesazhin tend, une ndjehem i zene ne faj... "C'ndjenja dhe mendime u zgjon kjo figure e ndritur pjesetareve te Listes sone? Vjet ne vere isha ne Gjermani per nje shkolle vere (teatri) dhe u ndjeva shume mire kur nje aktore rumune tha se ne (shqiptaret) kemi pasur nje aktor gjenial teatri ne fillimin e shekullit. Vetkuptohet se shembuj si i Moisiut kane efektin pozitiv te "pasaportes" kulturore dhe te referimit per potencialet tona intelektuale. C'eshte bere ne Shqiperi dhe ne gjithe boten shqiptare, qe te ndricohet me tej jeta dhe vepra e Aleksander Moisiut, ashtu qe vlerat e ketij thesari te rralle te zene vendin e merituar ne panteonin kulturor kombetar, ne shekullin 21 dhe ne mijevjecarin e ri? Sic te thashe une kam studiuar teater. Kam punuar edhe ne Studion AlbaFilm. Edhe si gazetar ne nje te perjavshme kulturore. Megjithate une nuk kam pare asnje nga 11 filmat artistike te Moisiut. Asnje sekonde! Moisiu ka shkruar edhe nje drame, e cila nuk eshte botuar ose vene ne skene. Moisiu deri sa vdiq e quajti veten shqiptar, madje as nenshtetesine nuk e ndrroi. Sot, pas 55 vjetesh te shtetit te pavarur shqiptar te pasluftes, une mendoj se kemi bere fare pak per t'i detyruar austriaket te thone se ai ishte shqiptaro-austriak. Kam frike se po te ringjallej, Moisiu do te kerkonte lenien e nenshtetesise shqiptare... Dhe nuk eshte se nuk e dime se c'duhet bere! E dime mire historine e Ioneskos, Beketit, Uajlldit, Manaqeve, Barbas... Pershendetje, Kastriot From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Tue Apr 4 10:00:54 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Tue Apr 4 10:00:54 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Rri i qete o Sam Sammy! Message-ID: <009f01bf9dbf$9d895240$7a01a8c0@kastriot> Une nuk te kerkoj te ikesh nga lista. Pervec se nuk ia njoh vetes kete te drejte, nuk mendoj se duhet te nisim parcelizimin e shqiptareve sipas bindjeve politike (ne nje rast te tille, nuk do te na duheshin dy lista, sic pandeh ti, por qindra dhe ne jemi kaq pak)... Nga ana tjeter, mesazhi yt "pergjigje" me zbaviti. Nuk gjenden kollaj tipa si ti, qe me nje te rene te lapsit i emerton njerezit ne "komuniste" e "demokrate", sidomos kur kam parasysh se nuk ke jetuar ne Shqiperi dhe e quan veten "Sam Sammy"! E kam thene une, jeta eshte e bukur!... From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Tue Apr 4 10:01:04 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Tue Apr 4 10:01:04 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Incident i ri ne Korfuz Message-ID: <00a001bf9dbf$9e9f0800$7a01a8c0@kastriot> Media shqiptare raportoi sot incidentin me te fundit me Greqine. Marina greke ka hapur zjarr ndaj nje skafi klandestinesh ne bordin e te cilit ishin nente vete. Skafi eshte mbytur dhe kater persona rezultojne te humbur. Ende asnje prononcim nga Qeveria Shqiptare! From r_alblover at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 11:03:26 2000 From: r_alblover at hotmail.com (alban koprencka) Date: Tue Apr 4 11:03:26 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] sala Message-ID: <20000404035425.8491.qmail@hotmail.com> O sam,iu mos fol gjepura. Harrove kur sala na ishte sekretari i partise tek mjeksia? Atehere te bente gjemen ai. Sa studente jane perjshtuar nga fakulteti per floket e gjata apo per pantallonat "kauboj" Maloku si iku ne france, duke mbajte oturakun e Enverit!!!! Paash zotin na le rehat se nuk ehste me i mire se keta qe jane ne pushtet. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From argjiro at argjiro.net Tue Apr 4 11:03:41 2000 From: argjiro at argjiro.net (argjiro at argjiro.net) Date: Tue Apr 4 11:03:41 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] (no subject) Message-ID: <200004040039.TAA14711@webburner.propagation.net> From: albi at argjiro.net I scanned an article from National Geographic, February issue. I you are interested, you can see it in this address: http://www.argjiro.net/natgeo/nat_geo.htm The pictures are around 500kb each, and I have to ask you to download them only once - I have to go easy on the bandwidth; page_8 had congressman DioGuardi talking about his origins (he is from the arberesh of Italy); Albi From diana35_1 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 11:03:43 2000 From: diana35_1 at yahoo.com (D.) Date: Tue Apr 4 11:03:43 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] dark message from a dark lady Message-ID: <20000404125051.27527.qmail@web3402.mail.yahoo.com> Dark lady, ky vullkan ne eruption shkruan: "Eshte insuficenca seksuale qe shkakton kete c'regullim fatal.Me sa vezhgova,kjo ndjehet me teper tek mshkujt e alb-club-it.Duhet nxituar femra!" Pse c'eshte perkufizimi i femres per ty, zonjeze e dashur? Gome shpetimi per insuficencen seksuale mashkullore? "T'i ndihmojme meshkujt te permbushin deshirat e tyre seksuale,transseksuale, biseksuale,animale...." Po ti vete c'deshire permbush, apo ate per te kenaqur burrat duke sakrifikuar veten. Ne qofte se ty te pelqen te flesh me 400 burra, defrim te mbare! Madona per shembull eshte shume e lumtur, por permbush deshirat personale . Edhe ti mundohu te jesh e sinqerte me veten, te pohosh se je ti qe ke deshira seksuale transseksuale biseksuale dhe animale... Dhe e lire ne veprimet e tua, pra te veprosh kur ti ke kenaqesi te veprosh e jo e kushtezuar nga deshirat e te tjereve. Me fal, qe po te nderhyj ne ceshtje personale: mos te duket gje vetja femer e lire? Mua me duket se me roberi se kaq nje femer nuk mund te shprehi. Qofsha e gabuar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From aqeli1 at uic.edu Tue Apr 4 12:52:57 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Tue Apr 4 12:52:57 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Shpronesime?! In-Reply-To: <009e01bf9dbf$9c4bf040$7a01a8c0@kastriot> Message-ID: > > I dashur Ledio, kam frike se po gabohesh tani...Shpronesimet per efekt > investimesh me interes publik jane rutine ne cdo vend kapitalist. Puna nuk > qendron tek akti i shpronesimit por tek modalitetet e tij. mbase "shpronesime" behen dhe ne kapitalizem -- po jane fare te ndryshme nga ato te shqiperise; ketu ne mes te Chicagos ka ca barraka te vogla qe te zotit nuk duan t'i shesin -- dhe nuk i shproneson njeri per te miren e pergjithshme; si i thone muhabetit: "prona eshte e shenjte"; ne kulturen perendimore te pakten -- prona eshte vertet e shenjte; eshte nje nga bazat e qyteterimit perndimor, ashtu si individualizmi; eshte tjeter pune qe ne shqiperi jemi mesuar me fjalen "shpronesim" ne -- s'na ben me pershtypje fare tani; cdo 40-50 vjet nga nje shpronesim te pergjithshem kemi per te pasur tani qe e mesuam zanatin; From Adis68 at aol.com Tue Apr 4 14:06:45 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:06:45 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Weird news Message-ID: THINGS WE DON'T UNDERSTAND A French supermodel chosen last fall by the Association of French Mayors to represent Marianne, the symbol of the French Republic, doesn't even live in France. It seems 21-year-old Laetitia Casta has lived in London for as long as the last three years. French opposition politicians point to her as an example of the growing wave of French emigration to Britain because of high French taxes. But in an interview with French radio RTL, Interior Minister Jean-Pierre Chevenement says Casta has made a costly mistake. He says property prices are much higher in London, health care in Britain fall short of that offered by French hospitals and "if she takes the metro, she will realize that the London metro is nothing like the quality of the Paris metro." Aw, come on -- who ever heard of a supermodel taking public transportation? From darklady31 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 14:06:50 2000 From: darklady31 at hotmail.com (Dark Lady) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:06:50 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] ANTIFLIRTIT D Message-ID: <20000404165541.54143.qmail@hotmail.com> Antiflirti D,mos u mundo te me komentosh si nje veper te Realizmit Socialist sepse nuk i perkas drites se tij,i perkas te kundertes,erresires.Si e tille(po e perseris)nuk i perkas inocences por,djallezise.Me gjyko nga sfondi im dhe nuk do gabosh.Te lutem,ne po perpiqemi te ndihmojme meshkujt,mos na hap probleme me femrat.Une dhashe nje rruge kurimi te cilen e di se eshte efikase dhe e kendshme. Mos harro:une jam psikologe jo gjinekologe. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From divanie at yahoo.com Tue Apr 4 14:07:02 2000 From: divanie at yahoo.com (Sam Sammy) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:07:02 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Mesazhi Message-ID: <20000404173213.12733.qmail@web2103.mail.yahoo.com> Nje mesazh me ka ardhur nga nje student nga italia dhe me thot: se ne vitin 1996 une kam qene jasht shtetit dhe nuk kam votuar ne shqiperi, por mungesa ime nuk luante as nje diference sepse ai qe kishte fuqin votonte dhe per mua. Ky mesazh ka vene ne bllokim nje cek me 100 mije dollar qe i kisha destinuar per partine demokratike per zgjedhjet lokale. Me shpirt dhe sinqeritet kerkoj nga juve shqiptaret me sinqeritet dhe ndershemeri ne se eshte e vertet se partia demokratike ka shtuar emra ne listst e votimit, ashtu sic e pershkruan studenti. Une deshroj qe ne shqiperine tone te stabilizohet nje sistem demokrat i vertet, pa as nje pike mashtrimi. Ju mire pres ne Email me pergjigjen reale nga ata persona qe jane ne dieni te plot veri dhe juge. Me Respekt Sami Samiu __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From asimeqi at ccs.neu.edu Tue Apr 4 14:07:06 2000 From: asimeqi at ccs.neu.edu (Artan Simeqi) Date: Tue Apr 4 14:07:06 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Shpronesime?! In-Reply-To: <009e01bf9dbf$9c4bf040$7a01a8c0@kastriot> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, [iso-8859-1] Kastriot ?ipi wrote: > Ledio wrote: >>Kujtova se me komunizmin (ne Shqiperi) iku edhe koha e shpronesimeve >>por sic >>duket qenkam gabuar. "Qeveria p?rs?ri p?r shpron?simet. Dje pasdite, >>n?n > > I dashur Ledio, kam frike se po gabohesh tani...Shpronesimet per efekt > investimesh me interes publik jane rutine ne cdo vend kapitalist. Puna nuk Ne fakt per te qene te sakte shpronesimet per efekt investimesh nuk jane rutine ne cdo vend kapitalist. Keshtu p.sh. ne Amerike per cdo ndertim qe behet, toka duhet te blihet nga pronari i cili e shet ne menyre vullnetare. Kjo nuk do te thote qe jam kunder shpronesimeve ne Shqiperi te cilat natyrisht qe qeveria i ben kundrejt nje pagese mjaft te mire. Dhe ne nje fare menyre duhet perdorur edhe forca e ligjit sepse shqiptaret nuk kane asnje logjike ekonomike. Ata kerkojne shuma jashtezakonisht te medha per pronat e tyre, dhe preferojne me mire ta mbajne te pashfrytezuar me shprese se do te shesin me nje cmimi shume te larte me vone. Kjo vjen jo vetem nga mungesa e tradites ne ekonomine e tregut, por sidomos nga mungesa e taksave. Ne Amerike nuk guxon kush te mbaje nje prone te pashfrytezuar sepse e mbysin taksat. Artani From AnilaM001 at aol.com Tue Apr 4 15:41:16 2000 From: AnilaM001 at aol.com (AnilaM001 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 15:41:16 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] ===== BIZARRE ENGLISH WORDS OF THE DAY ====== Message-ID: <60.1e0e929.261b9e6d@aol.com> 1. evagation (e va ga shen) mental wandering; digression Example: "The alb-club list members have a major evagation problem therefore are doing very poorly on their jobs or studies." 2. exosculate (eks-os Ku-late) to kiss, especially to kiss heartily. Example: "I have a dying need to exosculate Sam Sammy? NOW!!!" -- Source: Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary From Dritan68 at aol.com Tue Apr 4 19:41:20 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 19:41:20 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Shpronesime?! Message-ID: <39.344e1df.261bb94f@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/00 11:53:34 AM Central Daylight Time, aqeli1 at uic.edu writes: << mbase "shpronesime" behen dhe ne kapitalizem -- po jane fare te ndryshme nga ato te shqiperise; ketu ne mes te Chicagos ka ca barraka te vogla qe te zotit nuk duan t'i shesin -- dhe nuk i shproneson njeri per te miren e pergjithshme; si i thone muhabetit: "prona eshte e shenjte"; ne kulturen perendimore te pakten -- prona eshte vertet e shenjte; eshte nje nga bazat e qyteterimit perndimor, ashtu si individualizmi; >> Me sa di une kjo qe thoni eshte e vertete vetem kur behet fjale per ndertimin e veprave me karakter privat .P.sh nese do te ndertohet nje banke dhe pronari i tokes nuk bie dakord per cmimin ateher nuk kane te drejte ta shpronesojne.Ne rast se behet fjale per ndertimin e veprave publike si autostradat aeroporte etj atehere qeveria te kompeson , me cmimin e arsyeshem te tregut te real estate ne ate zone ku behet ndertimi dhe te shproneson.Keshtu ne Shqiperi shpronesimi per shkak te ndertimit te veprave publike eshte plotesisht i arsyeshem dhe i mbeshtetur nga kushtetuta.Ligji e parashikon qe pronari i tokes te kompesohet.Te flasim ne menyre hipotetike : po te ndertohet nje autostrade qe te lidhe Vloren me Tiranen dhe diku ne mes nje fermer nuk pranon te shese token , ne te cilen parashikohet te kaloje autostrada atehere c'do te behet te pezullohet nje veper e cila u sherben disa qindra mijera njerezve per shkak te refuzimit te nje njeriu?Prona private eshte e shenjte ne kapitalizem por i tille eshte dhe interesi publik. From Dritan68 at aol.com Tue Apr 4 19:41:27 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 19:41:27 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Incident i ri ne Korfuz Message-ID: <60.1e0666f.261bbbf1@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/00 9:04:11 AM Central Daylight Time, kcipi at abissnet.com.al writes: << Media shqiptare raportoi sot incidentin me te fundit me Greqine. Marina greke ka hapur zjarr ndaj nje skafi klandestinesh ne bordin e te cilit ishin nente vete. Skafi eshte mbytur dhe kater persona rezultojne te humbur. Ende asnje prononcim nga Qeveria Shqiptare! >> Perpara se te ankohemi per marinen greke .A e dini se te hysh ne ujerat territoriale te nje shteti tjeter ne menyre klandestine eshte thyerje ligji e shtetit shqiptar dhe atij grek po ashtu?Pse duhet ti veme faj marines greke qe perpiqet te mbroje ligjet e shtetit te vet?Fakti qe ne shqiptaret s'kemi shtet dhe i lejojme skafet e kontrabandisteve te hyjne e te dalin si te duan nuk do te thote se edhe te tjeret duhet te veprojne keshtu.Cfare prisni nga Qeveria shqiptare tu dali per zot shkelesve te ligjit? From aqeli1 at uic.edu Tue Apr 4 21:23:49 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:23:49 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Incident i ri ne Korfuz In-Reply-To: <60.1e0666f.261bbbf1@aol.com> Message-ID: > Perpara se te ankohemi per marinen greke .A e dini se te hysh ne ujerat > territoriale te nje shteti tjeter ne menyre klandestine eshte thyerje ligji e > shtetit shqiptar dhe atij grek po ashtu?Pse duhet ti veme faj marines greke Po pastaj? Meqe u thye ligji na paskan te drejte marinaret t'i vrasin klandestinet? Ik e kapi dhe futi ne burg e mbaji ne burg tere jeten po deshe -- po jo i vret si kafshe. Po te marrin keta marinaret amerikane e te vrasin ca klandestine kubane ketu e dini se c'behet more? Po kinezet e kurdet qe vijne ilegalisht ne Shqiperi -- kemi te drejte t'i vrasim ne se jane ilegale? From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 4 21:23:58 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:23:58 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Reagimi shqiptar Message-ID: <20000405005642.7547.qmail@hotmail.com> Denohen forcat kufitare greke Ministria e Puneve te Jashtme ka reaguar dje, rreth incidenteve te ndodhura kohet e fundit ne Kufirin detar jugperendimor te Shqiperise me Greqine. "MPJ shpreh shqetesimin e saj lidhur me incidentet e shkaktuara kohet e fundit nga Forcat Kufitare greke ne drejtim te territorit shqiptar, ku eshte vene ne rrezik jeta e Shtetasve shqiptare. Keto incidente duhen evituar", deklaroi zedhenesi i MPJ-se, Sokol Gjoka. Ministria e Jashtme e Shqiperise i kerkoi Ministrise se Jashtme te Greqise te nderhyje prane autoriteteve greke, me qellim qe te nderpriten aktet e dhunes kunder qytetareve civile shqiptare si edhe shkeljet e ujerave territoriale te vendit tone. "Rastet e shkeljeve te paligjshme te Kufirit ndermjet dy vendeve tona, duhet te zgjidhen pa perdorimin e formave ekstreme. MPJ eshte e bindur se autoritetet greke do te marrin masa qe akte te tilla te mos perseriten me ne te ardhmen. "E keqja eshte se pala jone nuk ka ende nje informacion te vetem, te plote per kete pune. Ketu me duket se eshte me shume nje mangesi e Ministrise se Rendit. Informacioni ka ardhur nga pala greke dhe kjo eshte per t'u habitur pasi ne duhet te kishim versionin tone per keto incidente qe kane ndodhur", deklaroi dje rreth ketyre incidenteve Kryetari i Komisionit te Jashtem parlamentar, Sabri Godo. Sipas Godos, ka paaftesi te rojeve tona kufitare dhe te organeve te rendit te Sarandes. KOHA JONE ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From astrid--alb at usa.net Tue Apr 4 21:24:05 2000 From: astrid--alb at usa.net (Astrid Erdi) Date: Tue Apr 4 21:24:05 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Balcan Daily News Message-ID: <20000404224510.25634.qmail@nwcst278.netaddress.usa.net> NATO detains high-ranking Bosnian war crimes suspect The URL corresponding to this: http://www.cnn.com/2000/WORLD/europe/04/03/bosnia.arrest.02/index.html Krajisnik, left, and Karadzic meet prior to the opening of a Bosnian Serb assembly session in October 1995 in Banja Luka April 3, 2000 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From Dritan68 at aol.com Tue Apr 4 22:21:19 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 22:21:19 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Mesazhi Message-ID: <20.41a749f.261bbc86@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/00 1:08:20 PM Central Daylight Time, divanie at yahoo.com writes: << Me shpirt dhe sinqeritet kerkoj nga juve shqiptaret me sinqeritet dhe ndershemeri ne se eshte e vertet se partia demokratike ka shtuar emra ne listst e votimit, ashtu sic e pershkruan studenti. >> Po eshte e vertete prandaj dhe e humben mbeshtetjen e perendimit. From DedaArd at aol.com Tue Apr 4 22:24:36 2000 From: DedaArd at aol.com (DedaArd at aol.com) Date: Tue Apr 4 22:24:36 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] What a bloodbath!! (I am talking about Nasdaq, not GH related) Message-ID: <7b.2b51d4c.261bfce5@aol.com> Hello all, It's certainly good to be back. I got myself into a horrible car accident a month ago and haven't left the bed since. At the time, I was doing the moderation for the list and guess what was the last thought 1 second before the car crash? "O zot! Lista!" (ne shqip se s'te kujtohet anglishtja ne prag te vdekjes) I took a look at the archives today and I was amazed with what I have been missing. How the hell when I was following, everybody would be so boring? I noticed also that Keti H. is back. (I need to confess it, that while I was the moderator, we got into a very serious conflict, in private of course, and she unsubscribed) Ah Keti, Keti...you are on again? I know you are addicted. You can't stay away. :) But let me get right to the point: What the hell is going on with the market?!!! What a joke! Two weeks ago, all the experts were laughing at the Dow and its Old Economy stocks. The Nasdaq and tech stocks were the only way to go. Accordingly, all the CNBC faithful, like rats leaving a sinking ship, abandoned the Dow and climbed aboard the Nasdaq. Now these same experts are talking about the overvalued Nasdaq and a return to value in the DJIA. The old Nasdaq starts taking on water and the rats dive into the choppy seas to return to the steady Dow. I'm afraid a lot of people are going to go down with the ship . Personally I am glad I forgot my account # and the trading password while under the effects of the drugs, so I missed the boat. Much better than getting on the Titantic. Bon Voyage! Oh, and how about Arti, Parid and Dritan? Are you guys OK ? Take a look at the satellite companies Parid, forget the telecomm. And now they are on sale. Hurry up! Suggestions: DISH, TSATA. B2B suggestions:VERT, INFA microprocessors for telecomunications :IDTI And for all teh conservatives or the starters, the best internet fund: WWWFX. Ardi Deda From astrid--alb at usa.net Wed Apr 5 07:39:54 2000 From: astrid--alb at usa.net (Astrid Erdi) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:39:54 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Faqe Interneti Message-ID: <20000404225830.1547.qmail@nwcst279.netaddress.usa.net> -------------------------- Nje Sqarim per nje site ne Internet http://209.1.224.11/Athens/9479/epiro.html -------------------------- Jane katerqind mije Shqipetare te Chamerise qe jetojne ne Shqiperi nga 1944 deri tani si rezultat i politikes Greke te ndjekur ne Greqi, dhe nuk jane 150000 sikur disa po perpiqen te na tregojne. Perfaqesuesit greke te greqise ne pushtetin apo konjukturat Shqiptare(Nano, Milo, Angjeli, e te tjere) bejne ?'eshte e mundur ta mbajne kete ceshtje te eklipsuar. Ne e kemi si detyre qe ta ngrime zerin per kete ceshtje. Disa kohe me perpara pata rastin te shkoj ne nje faqe interneti ku permendej minoriteti grek ne Shqiperi, sipas ketyre perfaqesuesve greke prej Greqije Kosnipoli( qyteti me jugor ne Shqiperi, pika me kufitare ) qenka Greke ose Vllaher. Konispoli, ky qytet Jugor dhe te gjitha fshatrat kufitare, si shalesi, markati, njanjari, verva, dishati, panadalejmoni, cifliku, gjasha, et tjera, e te tjera jane 100% Chamer. Ju lutem tregoni indinjaten tuaj ndaj atij individi qe e ka shkruar kete faqe (http://209.1.224.11/Athens/9479/epiro.html). Dhe di?ka tjeter, Minoriteti Greke qe jeton veten ne disa fshatra te Gjirokastres dhe Sarandes, perben vetem 15 mije banor plus 15 mije vallher, kur keto dy rrethe kane nje popullate te pergjithshme reth 190 mije banore. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 From Fifapi at aol.com Wed Apr 5 07:39:59 2000 From: Fifapi at aol.com (Fifapi at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:39:59 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] rrugeve te Tiranes poezi Message-ID: RRUGEVE TE TIRANES Te rinjte filiza kane hedhur shtat rrenjet u jane forcuar dielli i mplakur ne kubene e larte te lodhurin veshtrim hedh rrugeve te verdha te Tiranes Gjarpri i palodhur pa fund e pa ane leviz, perdridhet, ndalon, shtyp. me dritat ndezur ne mes te nates shetit rrugeve te Tiranes E macet, qente, uji ne rruge luajne me rruget e Tiranes cdo gje eshte ne qetesi gjalleri, lulzim, rilindje, pak ne fshehtesi Dhe rrugeve te Tiranes endem une rrugicave te errta, neteve pa gjume nje lemsh Ariane, shtjellues mendimesh do te me duhet te dal kesaj bote trillimesh Trillime gjithfaresh, bote thashethemesh; Te ben te jesh jo burre, por re me pantallona E une i tille s'dua te jem. Jo! Kurrsesi. Dua te jem i paster si nje femi Ta hedh poshte gunen e frikes E te bertas me ton lemerites Ta zhvesh kete bote nga gjerat e fshehta Ndoshta? e le dhe pa gje fare! Tetor 1995 Fisnik Pirdeni From 602366en at student.econ.unian.it Wed Apr 5 07:40:13 2000 From: 602366en at student.econ.unian.it (Ninka Eniel) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:40:13 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Shpronesime?! In-Reply-To: <39.344e1df.261bb94f@aol.com> Message-ID: <3627E693007@student.econ.unian.it> Prona shpronesohet dhe per arsyen se vete fakti qe ne nje terren do te kaloje nje veper publike (autostrada) ben qe ai terren te kete nje cmim qe mund te kete si limit infinitin (rendita perpetua) sepse cfare do cmimi shteti ti jape pronarit ai do refuzoje gjithmone duke kerkuar nje cmim me te larte. Pra nuk mund te behet nje shitblerje mes privateve me kontrate te re drejtes private (civil law), por ne kete rast shteti vepron si shtet (ne kuptimin e plote te fjales) dhe e shperblen pronarin e tokes me cmimin qe ajo toke do te kishte nese aty nuk do te kalonte asnje veper publike plus nje bonus qe eshte demshperblimi per pronarin per faktin qe ai nuk e kishte shitur roken me iniciativen e vet per cmimin qe i ofronte tregu. Ne pak fjale nese nje cope toke kushton 1$ dhe une duke ditur qe do kaloje korridori 8 nuk e shes as per 1000$ shteti me shproneson dhe me jep 2$: 1$ cmimi i tokes nese nuk do kalonte korridori dhe 1$ per faktin se une preferoj token ne vend te 1$ d.m.th. per mua ajo toke vlen me shume se nje $ edhe duke ditur qe nuk kalon rruga. Perndryshe, toka vlen me pak se 1$, une nuk kam asnje arsye per mos e shitur. Te fala From Dritan68 at aol.com Wed Apr 5 07:40:21 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:40:21 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Incident i ri ne Korfuz Message-ID: <5b.413b28b.261c0ec4@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/00 8:24:47 PM Central Daylight Time, aqeli1 at uic.edu writes: << Po pastaj? Meqe u thye ligji na paskan te drejte marinaret t'i vrasin klandestinet? Ik e kapi dhe futi ne burg e mbaji ne burg tere jeten po deshe -- po jo i vret si kafshe. Po te marrin keta marinaret amerikane e te vrasin ca klandestine kubane ketu e dini se c'behet more? >> Greket kane te drejte ta mbrojne kufirin e tyre si te duan.Menyra me e mire per te mos u vrare nga greket eshte mos e kalo kufirin ne menyre klandestine. From Dritan68 at aol.com Wed Apr 5 07:40:25 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Wed Apr 5 07:40:25 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] What a bloodbath!! (I am talking about Nasdaq, not GH related) Message-ID: <77.2be3919.261c1905@aol.com> In a message dated 4/4/00 9:25:08 PM Central Daylight Time, DedaArd at aol.com writes: << Oh, and how about Arti, Parid and Dritan? Are you guys OK ? Take a look at the satellite companies Parid, forget the telecomm. And now they are on sale. Hurry up! >> I'm bleeding lol. I've been through this before , my stomach is used to that by now .It caught me off guard though. I expected this crash to happen sometime later this year not so soon. There was a lot of panic selling combined with a lot of marginal calls plus a lack of bidders that caused this big discount.For all of you that intend to invest now is the time .Almost everything you'll buy will go up for sure.My recommendation would be LGTO and EMLX they're heavily oversold.Also Intu ,Lcos the rest of the internet stocks are good buys.GLGC and AMGN in biotech.Small caps are being sold at a big discount , ZOOM , TNCX, ICOM , CFON , GTLL, are cheap. The CEO of TNCX bought 41000 shares at 9-11.25 a month ago , good sign of confidence in the company's future.The company is expected to announce some good contracts.In short almost everything is a can't miss shot.Good luck to all. From Liri.KOPACI at coe.int Wed Apr 5 11:28:11 2000 From: Liri.KOPACI at coe.int (KOPACI Liri) Date: Wed Apr 5 11:28:11 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] (no subject) Message-ID: <1D724F4C540CD31199CD00204840177C740A54@CETAUTOMATIX> ****************** VISIT IWPR ON-LINE: www.iwpr.net ****************** SERB OFFICERS RELIVE KILLINGS A Yugoslav Army intelligence report gives a unique insight into the enormity of war crimes in the Kosovo enclave last spring By Miroslav Filipovic War-weary Serb officers have spoken for the first time of sickening atrocities committed by the Yugoslav Army in Kosovo during the NATO bombing campaign. One field commander admitted he watched in horror as a soldier decapitated a three-year-old boy in front of his family. Another described how tanks in his unit indiscriminately shelled Albanian villages before paramilitary police moved in and massacred the survivors. The shocking confessions were made by officers who took part in a survey commissioned by the Army Intelligence Unit in January and February this year. They say the internal report gives an insight into the scale of the Kosovo massacres for the first time - and they claim to be shocked by the enormity of the crimes. Particularly disturbing are the combined testimonies of field officers, which suggest that JNA units were responsible for the deaths of at least 800 Albanian children below the age of five. Several officers interviewed in the survey told IWPR the research was aimed at gauging their morale against the backdrop of growing tension between Serbia and Montenegro. The veterans said they were appalled by the prospect of mounting a military campaign against their ethnic cousins. They claimed to have been traumatised by what they had seen in Kosovo and some had even taken to drink in a bid to blot out the memories. One officer, Drazen, who took part in the Kosovo campaign, said, "I watched with my own eyes as a reservist lined up around 30 Albanian women and children against a wall. I thought he just wanted to frighten them, but then he crouched down behind an anti-aircraft machine-gun and pulled the trigger. The half-inch bullets just tore their bodies apart. It looked like a scene from a cheap movie, but it really happened." Drazen concludes, "I don't know how I will live with these memories, how I'll be able to raise my own children. I'm not willing to accept the collective guilt. I want to see those who committed these atrocities stand trial for their crimes." He added, "My grandmother is Montenegrin. I'd rather kill myself than go through all that again in Montenegro." For many of the officers, Belgrade's propaganda is wearing thin. The commander of one tank unit was quick to dismiss Serbian claims that the Kosovo campaign was aimed at crushing Albanian separatists. "For the entire time I was in Kosovo, I never saw a single enemy soldier and my unit was never once involved in firing at military targets." He said state-of-the-art tanks were sent out against defenceless Albanian villages. "The tanks, which cost $2.5 million each, were used to slaughter Albanian children," said the officer. "I am ashamed." A reconnaissance officer for an engineering brigade said Yugoslav Army reservists in Kosovo ran amok while their commanders did little to intervene, "During one ethnic cleansing operation in a village in south-eastern Kosovo, we gave the villagers half an hour to leave their homes. "They were standing in a long line along the road leading out of the settlement. A reservist nicknamed Crni (Black) went up to an old man who was holding a child aged around three or four. He grabbed the toddler from the man's arms and demanded a ransom of 20,000 German marks. The Albanian only had 5,000. Crni took the child by the hair, pulled out a knife and hacked off its head. "'5,000 is only enough for the body,' he said and walked off past the other villagers, carrying the child's head by its hair." Vladimir went on, "All of this took place in front of dozens of people. We were all in a state of shock: some soldiers vomited, while our young second lieutenant fainted at the terrible sight of the headless body writhing in the dust. "Crni was later declared insane, discharged and sent home. But he is still free to walk the streets, even though he committed this terrible crime." One retired veteran of the wars in Bosnia and Croatia says the Yugoslav Army has been responsible for the deaths of countless children over the past decade. "I was trained at the country's top military academies and commanded a crack infantry unit," he said. "Kosovo was the third occasion the army was responsible for the deaths of children. I didn't see so much of it in Kosovo because I was more senior by that time -- but I fought on the front line in Croatia and saw some terrible things then." At an international conference in Ulcinj, Montenegro, entitled "The Truth, Responsibility and Reconciliation", Baskim Hisari, who represents the Foundation for Humanitarian Law in Pristina, focused on alleged war crimes committed by the Yugoslav Army. "Members of the MUP, the Army and the paramilitary units were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of young men," said Hisari. "Many families have been left with no male relatives at all. "In the village of Bela Crkva alone, 64 people were shot down as they ran away from Yugoslav Army tanks. One man, Sabri Popaj, buried them all, including his two children. "Eighty-three villagers were killed in Celina whilst, in Velika Krusa, 206 people were executed and another 117 are still missing. There's nothing but a few blackened bones in the village now - some of them children's. "There are parents who lost as many as seven children. Jovca Berisa, from Suva Reka, lost her two children as well as 21 members of her family." Miroslav Filipovic is a correspondent for Danas in Kraljevo __________________________________________________________ email address updates : @coe.int replaces @coe.fr for more information, http://dct.coe.int/info/emfci001.htm __________________________________________________________ From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Wed Apr 5 16:16:13 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:16:13 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Ligjet e Greqise dhe avokatet e Shqiperise References: <60.1e0666f.261bbbf1@aol.com> Message-ID: <01be01bf9f3a$6b3ad300$7e01a8c0@kastriot> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Alb-club] Incident i ri ne Korfuz Perpara se te ankohemi per marinen greke .A e dini se te hysh ne ujerat territoriale te nje shteti tjeter ne menyre klandestine eshte thyerje ligji e shtetit shqiptar dhe atij grek po ashtu?Pse duhet ti veme faj marines greke qe perpiqet te mbroje ligjet e shtetit te vet?Fakti qe ne shqiptaret s'kemi shtet dhe i lejojme skafet e kontrabandisteve te hyjne e te dalin si te duan nuk do te thote se edhe te tjeret duhet te veprojne keshtu.Cfare prisni nga Qeveria shqiptare tu dali per zot shkelesve te ligjit? I dashur Dritan, se pari goditja e skafit te klandestineve, qe ti e vecon, eshte vetem njeri nga shume incidentet e verifikuara ne dy javet e fundit. Nuk me shqeteson fakti se je pedant, por se nuk je i paanshem. Pse nuk thua se ka te drejte marina shqiptare t'i pergjigjet me zjarr zjarrit te hapur DITEN PER DIELL, pa motive "ushtarake" nga nje luftanije greke ne drejtim te Sarandes? Jo me larg se dje nje anije greke hyri ne ujrat tona territoriale, por askush nuk hapi zjarr! Disa hollesi te tjera: incidenti me skafin klandestin eshte transmetuar drejpersedrejti, pra LIVE nga televizionet greke. Imazhet u transmetuan me vone edhe ne Shqiperi. Miniskafi i vogel sa nje varke liqeni nisi te kthehej sapo u diktua nga marina greke. Nga imazhet e xhiruara me helikopter dukeshin qarte civilet, mes te cileve gra e femije. Dhe, ne mos dylbi, marina greke duhet te kete televizor, apo jo? Megjithate u qellua ndersa po kthehej! A e di ti se Kanali i Korfuzit eshte vetem 2 km? Ku do te shkonin "shkelesit" shqiptare? A e di se krimi i tyre quhet "kalim i paligjshem i kufirit" dhe jo "tradheti ndaj atdheut" apo "diversion antikushtetues"? Ku eshte pare te hapet zjarr ndaj emigranteve te gjore? A ke degjuar gje ti per skafe greke a italiane te jene mbytur apo qelluar ndersa hynin "ilegalisht" ujrat territoriale te SHBA? Dhe meqe qevria shqiptare qenka kaq sublimisht e ndershme, a nuk duhej te pakten te bente sqarimin e ngjarjes, sic behej me provokacionet e armatosura serbe ne kufirin verilindor? Po si e sqaron ti faktin se dje z. Milo tha ne konference shtypi se nuk kishte marre njoftim zyrtar per incidentet?????!!!!!! Pershendetje, Kastriot From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Wed Apr 5 16:16:58 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:16:58 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kioskat e Cikagos References: Message-ID: <01bd01bf9f3a$69a05ce0$7e01a8c0@kastriot> Ne pergjigje te shkrimit tim "Shpronesime?!", Albi Qeli shkruan: mbase "shpronesime" behen dhe ne kapitalizem -- po jane fare te ndryshme nga ato te shqiperise; ketu ne mes te Chicagos ka ca barraka te vogla qe te zotit nuk duan t'i shesin -- dhe nuk i shproneson njeri per te miren e pergjithshme; si i thone muhabetit: "prona eshte e shenjte"; ne kulturen perendimore te pakten -- prona eshte vertet e shenjte; eshte nje nga bazat e qyteterimit perndimor, ashtu si individualizmi; I dashur Albi, sigurisht nuk mund te te pergjigjem per rastin konkret, sepse nuk i di detajet. Ti nuk thua se cili eshte projekti alternativ i "barrakave". Por dua te te pyes: vertet beson se mijera km hekurudhe a rruge, hidrocentrale a miniera, behen me konsensusin e plote te te gjithe fermereve? Nuk te shkon ndermend se ne kete rast, cdo fshat 'disident' do te mund te rrezonte qeveri? eshte tjeter pune qe ne shqiperi jemi mesuar me fjalen "shpronesim" ne -- s'na ben me pershtypje fare tani; cdo 40-50 vjet nga nje shpronesim te pergjithshem kemi per te pasur tani qe e mesuam zanatin; Kete besoj se e ke per mua, si shqiptar "Shqiperie" qe jam...Por nese ti je i mirinformuar, perendimi, me ne krye SHBA, ka kundershtuar dhe kundershton je shpronesimet e tanishme per efekt ndertim rrugesh, por..."pronesimin'' e kryer me ligjin e vitit '92, kur "i djathti" Berisha beri pronare ata qe nuk kishin asnje gisht toke, perfshi edhe "armiqte" greke, ne dem te pronareve te ligjshem, te cilet edhe sot mbeten te pakompensuar. Edhe nje hollesi: si kudo, edhe tek ne ka pasur ngastra toke zyrtarisht pa pronar, sepse pronaret e vertete deklaronin me pak toke, per efekt evazioni fiskal. Te gjitha keto ngastra, sot i kane marre jo ish-pronaret qe kane humbur toke te zene me pallate banimi apo objekte te tjere, por "kapitalistet" e PD. Psh Leka Bungo, dikur mikrofon i Sigurimit, sot altoparlant i cdo qeverie, mori nje toke ne bllok, ku Dine Fratari ndertoi edhe shtepine e shumeperfolur te gjykatesit Prel Martini. Ndersa familja pronare e tokes mbi te cilin u ndertua Rogner, u shpronesua forcerisht dhe ende nuk eshte kompensuar me ngastra pa zot. Do shembuj te tjere? C'i thua ti invazionit te "te shperngulurve nga zona verilindore", qe jo vetem ka lene me gisht ne goje pronaret e tokave ne Bathore, Kamez, Paskuqan e Allias, por edhe ka bllokuar dhjetra projekte gjigande investimesh ne infrastrukture, sic pranoi edhe vete z. Meksi ne nje bisede ne TVA, nja dy jave me pare? Tani me thuaj, jam une komunist, apo je ti demokrat? Pershendetje, Kastriot From shqipo at netscape.net Wed Apr 5 16:17:20 2000 From: shqipo at netscape.net (Ledio Veseli) Date: Wed Apr 5 16:17:20 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Privatization-related question Message-ID: <20000405190433.24625.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> I am conducting a short poll (Albanian: sondazh) regarding a topic that has been quite controversial lately: the privatization of AMC (Albanian Mobile Company). I would appreciate it if you could participate with your answer. You can find the poll here: http://www.delphi.com/shqipo/ You can also find tons of business/economic news posted there - and you can even post your own opinions about the current conditions of Albania's Business Environment. Thank you in advance, Ledio V. http://shqipo.cjb.net http://www.delphi.com/shqipo ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From aqeli1 at uic.edu Wed Apr 5 21:01:08 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Wed Apr 5 21:01:08 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kioskat e Cikagos In-Reply-To: <01bd01bf9f3a$69a05ce0$7e01a8c0@kastriot> Message-ID: > altoparlant i cdo qeverie, mori nje toke ne bllok, ku Dine Fratari ndertoi > edhe shtepine e shumeperfolur te gjykatesit Prel Martini. Ndersa familja > pronare e tokes mbi te cilin u ndertua Rogner, u shpronesua forcerisht dhe > ende nuk eshte kompensuar me ngastra pa zot. Hej Kastriot, jam 100% dakort me ty. Per te te sqaruar me mire reagimin tim, po te kujtoj ate shprehjen: 'kur te djeg qulli, i fryn edhe kosit'; Mua fjala "shpronesim" e "konfiskim" me ben vertet alergji; mosrespektimi i prones te tjetrit eshte baza e shumices te te keqijave te Shqiperise, qe nga ekonomia qe nuk ecen perpara, deri tek largimi i te sapodiplomuarve nga vendi. > C'i thua ti invazionit te "te shperngulurve nga zona verilindore", qe jo > vetem ka lene me gisht ne goje pronaret e tokave ne Bathore, Kamez, Paskuqan > e Allias, por edhe ka bllokuar dhjetra projekte gjigande investimesh ne > infrastrukture, sic pranoi edhe vete z. Meksi ne nje bisede ne TVA, nja dy > jave me pare? "Invazioni" u pranua si dicka e pashmangshme, dhe lejimi i atyre njerezve u be nen pretekstin e ruajtjes te rendit e te qetesise -- sepse ata do ngriheshin ne revolta. Ne fakt, duke bere kete u shkelen gjithe parimet e demokracise qe ne donim te ndertonim -- ishin shkelur qe me ligjin e tokes ne 1991 dhe shkelja e atyre qe erdhen ne kamze nga veriu ishte shkelja me e paket. Prape me nje batute: "Gelltit nje luge corbe te prishur dhe pastaj vjell tere jeten"; Keshtu dhe puna e pronave ne shqiperi. Ai lemsh do 200 vjet te shqitet tani. Ne deshem te shkojme ne kapitalizem duke mbajtur ngritur flamujt komuniste. "Kapitalizem" = "Prone private" Sikur tokat e Bathores dhe te Kamzes t'i kishin te zotet e parakomunizmit, ato projekte gjigande infrastrukture qe permend ti nuk do ishin bllokuar, dhe ne fund te fundit jeta do ishte me e mire edhe per vete ata te paditur qe rrojne ilegalisht tani neper baraka te ndertuara mbi token e tjeterkujt. Une kam shkruar dhe me pare -- dhe me kedo qe flas do ta bie muhabetin se s'ben tek pronat -- sepse jam i bindur se e keqja me e madhe e shqiperise eshte mosrespektimi i prones te tjetrit. Prandaj them qe cdo 50 vjet do kemi nje reforme agrare tjeter dhe do t'i ndajme tokat prape ne qofte se nje zgjidhje e pranueshme per te gjithe dhe pergjithmone nuk arrihet per kete punen e pronave. Shendet, Albi From Echotravel at aol.com Thu Apr 6 13:05:58 2000 From: Echotravel at aol.com (Echotravel at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 13:05:58 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] take a break from the "fights"-TRAVEL! Message-ID: <84.38292da.261e1b26@aol.com> With all those sales, steals and deals that you hear so much these days, let us add some more to the pile. If you have some uncommitted money and a valid passport, you can have a dreamy little vacation. Below we have picked some of the best ideas for a short vacation, and if something clicks, please call us or any travel agent to help you with organizing your trip. The reason why we would like to stress that a travel agent be used, is that this is the best way to get a full range of options and low fares to choose from. Airline agents as an alternative, are not trained to suggest a different and cheaper airline, of course. Once you buy a ticket from an airline or through the Internet, you are stuck with it, right or wrong. Through a travel agency, you can cancel within a certain time. Travel agents can notify you about schedule changes, or sometimes even reissue tickets when the fares go down and refund the difference, another service that you cannot get directly from an airline or nevertheless from the internet. Also a good travel agent will be your advocate when trouble arises, because they want to keep you happy and therefore keep your business. Here are some ideas for Europe; * Airfares to Albania and Kosova are pretty good these days. They all run in the neighborhood of $550-$700 through June15 . And I would like to add a personal suggestion, for those of you who are going to spend winter vacations back home; while in Tirana, don't miss the Miss Albania Pageant( Vera Grabocka just booked her flight :)) , which is the best showcase of the Albanian beauty, songwriting and performance. *Paris (ah.. Paris!!), all of a sudden became closer and more affordable than you'd think. Air France has introduced its "Paris week-end", a four-day package starting at $429/person available through June 15. It includes roundtrip airfare on Air France out of New York, three nights hotel accommodation with all service charges, and w/daily breakfast, a Paris city guide and a dining/shopping discount booklet. * But if Italy is more appealing to you, Rome or Florence for $599 available through March '99, including airfare on Alitalia from NYC or other major cities in the US, five nights hotel accommodations, breakfast daily, transfers and dining discounts. And if traveling to Europe is not an option this year, try some of the best all-inclusive packages to Florida or a cruise in the Caribbeans. It is so warm and sunny... * A cruise is always one of the best travel experiences, and at this time of year you can find great rates on Carnival, Royal Caribbean or other major cruise liners, sometimes as low as $700 per person for seven nights. And for any of you concerned with the sea-sickness, aboard those gigantic boats, that' is not even an issue at all. Actually they look more like a city. They are so big that once a woman came out of the elevator that brought her up to the deck and said to the crewman, " Excuse me, but which way is the Pacific Ocean?" * Also, Orlando, Florida with its famous DisneyWorld can blow your mind away for a couple of days. Price? As low as $565 for an all-inclusive four-night package. ( airfare on UsAir, hotel, breakfast daily, Disney World passes and car rental) And if you want just to get some place where family and friends are awaiting for you, you can find the best deals on some small or so called "no-frill" airlines like America West, Value Jet, Delta Express, Tower Air (went bankrupt but will operate til the end of the year) or a dozen others which don't have the same fancy planes or frequency of flights like the major ones, but which still offer a good value for the money spent. Be cautious, though! There is a notoriety for the service offered on some of those airlines. But don't be scared! What could be the worst that could happen? We promise, they won't ask you to chip in for gas. The worst that could happen maybe is instead of the in-flight movie, passengers will pass along pictures of their children? Happy bargain hunting! ECHO TRAVEL 212-486-0020 echotravel at aol.com P.S. Portion of the business generated from this discussion list will be donated to the Albanian Club of New York, Inc. From AlbaMedia at aol.com Thu Apr 6 14:41:29 2000 From: AlbaMedia at aol.com (AlbaMedia at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:41:29 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Ethnic Albanian Reporter Detained Message-ID: <11.2687804.261e0a2c@aol.com> Albanian Media Group FYI Ethnic Albanian Reporter Detained .c The Associated Press BELGRADE, Yugoslavia (AP) - Police on Thursday briefly detained a Voice of America reporter who works for the radio's Albanian language section, a human rights group said. Fahri Musliu, an ethnic Albanian, protested the police action, but said he was treated ``correctly'' after a brief detention and questioning by a court on an earlier case not related to his reporting. Earlier, the Serbia-based Helsinki Committee said Musliu disappeared after ``two men in uniforms and one in plain clothes banged on his apartment door at three in the morning.'' Musliu reportedly took shelter at his neighbor's apartment after the men left, but was detained as he was leaving the building in the morning for a planned trip to Budapest. Musliu, who has lived in Belgrade for years, had complained that he had been receiving anonymous telephone threats for a week, said Sonja Biserko, the head of the Helsinki Committee. Most of the tens of thousands of ethnic Albanians who were living in Belgrade have left the capital since ethnic tensions exploded in Serbia's Kosovo province in 1998. In Kosovo, a Serbian province, ethnic Albanians represent an overwhelming majority. Foreign and independent domestic media and opposition leaders have come under increased pressure from hard-line Serbian authorities, who publicly brand them foreign spies who serve the West. From Adis68 at aol.com Thu Apr 6 14:41:34 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:41:34 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Cool Word of the Day for April 6, 2000 Message-ID: The Learning Kingdom's Cool Word of the Day for April 6, 2000 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- rhetoric [n. RET-ur-ik] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rhetoric is the art of speaking or writing effectively, often persuasively. Example: "The presidential candidates rely on rhetoric to woo the voting public." The word comes from the Greek rhetor, which referred to an orator or public speaker. In the 5th century B.C., the Greeks pled their court cases publicly to their peers. The ancients formulated particular rules that informed their students' efforts to communicate persuasively. During the Renaissance, rhetoric came to be associated solely with style of delivery - the performance became more important than the content. Today, the negative sense describes language that is elaborate and insincere. There are, however, contemporary academics who have reclaimed the rules of rhetoric, using them to train students to speak and write well. To spice up your own powers of persuasion with rhetorical tools: http://www.uk y.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/rhetoric.html Today's Person of the Day is Isocrates, an ancient Greek rhetor: http:/ /www.LearningKingdom.com/person/archive/2000/04/06.html From Adis68 at aol.com Thu Apr 6 14:41:49 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:41:49 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Today In History - April 5, 6 Message-ID: <27.3e434bd.261dfcb3@aol.com> April 5, 1614 While being a prisoner of English settlers in Jamestown, Pocahontas married colonist John Rolfe. Pocahontas was the daughter of Powhatan, chief of the Algonquian Indian tribes. Their marriage brought temporary peace between settlers and Native Americans. In 1616, Pocahontas went with Rolfe to England where she died, probably due to a respiratory illness. Pocahontas was buried at a churchyard in Gravesend, England. In April 5 1895 playwright Oscar Wilde lost his criminal libel case against the Marquess of Queensberry, who had accused the writer of homosexual practices. In April 5, 1951 Julius and Ethel Rosenberg were sentenced to death following their conviction on charges of conspiring to spy for the Soviet Union. April 5, 1955 Winston Churchill, the leader who helped guide Great Britain through World War II, retired as Prime Minister of Great Britain. A master diplomat, military strategist, and writer, Churchill was Britain's Prime Minister in two different occasions, and then in 1953 was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature. Churchill was one of the most important political leaders of the 20thcentury. April 6, 1830 Under the leadership of Joseph Smith, Jr., the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (also known as Mormons) was founded at Fayette, New York. According to the Church's theology, the Prophet Mormon had recorded on gold plates the teachings of Jesus Christ 1,400 years earlier, and it was Mormon's son, Moroni, who in the form of an angel, appeared to Smith. Today, Mormons comprise the fifth largest Christian religious bodyworldwide. From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 6 14:41:58 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Thu Apr 6 14:41:58 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Re: Profesori i filozofise Message-ID: <20000406163304.24911.qmail@hotmail.com> "Simetria e fajit" nga Sami Milloshi ........... Deputeti Lluci qe ishte ne Kongresin e Milloshevicit eshte perfaqesues i nje partie( PBDNJ) qe eshte ne koalicion qeverises me Partine Socialiste qe kryeson Nano.Ai mund te kete vajtur atje me koke te vet, ose me urdher te Athines qe i kundershtoi sulmet e NATO-s dhe qe e priti presidentin Klinton me demonstrata. ............... Pas arktekteve te simetrise se fajit , pastaj natyrisht do te vinin arkeologet e simetrise se fajit dhe keta nuk kane pergjegjesi me te vogel, sepse servilizmi i tyre politik krijon peshtjellime dhe konfuzion.Jane keta qe amplifikojne pastaj pseudo te verteta, sikur gjoja shqiptaret kerkojne te krijojne "Shqiperine e madhe", nje nocion ky qe patjeter nuk pelqehet nga autoritetet e larta dhe nga Perendimi ne pergjithesi. Deshirat e disa njerezve per kete ide jane thjesht deshira, por askund ne trevat shqiptare nuk gjendet nje force politike qe ta artikuloje kete ide si program te sajin , e aq me teper, ta kete si nje motiv politik aktual.Duke i meshuar kesaj ideje arkeologet e simetrise se fajit, kudo qe te ndodhen, ne Beograd, Athine apo Tirane , nuk bejne gje tjeter, vecse vazhdojne t'i dhurojne kohe Milloshevicit te qendroje ne karrigen e tij te presidentit.Kjo nga njera ane dhe nga ana tjeter, keshtu demtohet edhe imazhi i vlerave morale te shqiptareve, qe padrejtesisht etiketohen si "prishes te stabilitetit".Aq e vertete eshte kjo, saqe ne te njejten linje , tashme ka nga ata shqiptare qe , madje i akuzojne bashkekombasit e vet edhe si raciste.Gjithkund po na shfaqet simetria e fajit. Keshtu po ne gazeten Koha Jone nga autori G.Kapllani qe na prezantohet si pedagog filozofie ne nje Univeristet te Athines, behen perpjekje per te argumentuar se shfaqje te racizmit gjen edhe tek grekerit edhe tek shqiptaret.Edhe ky ve simetri faji."Vecse nuk eshte e mundur qe te mos vrase syte simetria e argumentave nga te dy anet, "nga ana jone" dhe " nga ana tjeter""- thote ai ne artikullin " Mitologjia e bukur greke dhe greket e shemtuar". Edhe ne kete rast nuk kemi te bejme, vecse me artikulim te ideve te politikaneve shqiptare (Nano dhe bashkepunetoret e tij) per simetrine fajit.Por nuk eshte e njejta gje , per shembull , te barazosh rrahjet barbare te shqiptareve ne Athine nga policia greke apo operacionet fshesa me kundershtimet qe iu ben opozita ne Shqiperi ketyre trajtimeve raciste te shqiptareve. Kryeministri Meta vertet mund te kerkoje te rishkruhen tekstet e historise , por e verteta eshte se jo shqiptaret , por policia greke i trajton shqiptaret si kafshe, sa here i teket asaj. Eshte ajo qe inkludohet ne fushatat elektorale qe zhvillohen ne Greqi dhe , kur per fat te keq, shqiptaret qe punojne si qeni per te fituar buken e gojes, behen pre e racizmit dhe e lojrave elektorale.Por e keqja nuk qendron vetem ketu dhe thjeshtketu. Ne si shqiptare duhet te kuptojme nje gje, se ne kete strategji te fqinjeve tane per tu vene simetrine fajeve,ata jane te sukseshem dhe pikerisht ketu eshte mjerimi,ketu eshte demi me i madh, ne vend qe te ndodhe e kunderta.Sido qe te jete ne nuk duhet te lodhemi, kudo qe te jemi per te shpjeguar vlerat tona si shqiptare.T'ua shpjegojme te huajve dhe autoriteteve nderkombetare. Domosdo, askush nuk ka nevoje per mburrjet e ndonjerit, por ne ne asnje menyre nuk na lejohet te degjenerojme imazhin e vlerave te shqiptareve. Keto vlera ,perkunder pershkrimeve qe iu bejne autoret e simetrise se fajit ne Ballkan, ne te vertete jane vlerat e urtesise , te paqes, te fqinjesise se mire, te solidaritetit qe jo njehere i kane treguar shqiptaret ne marredheniet me fqinjet e tyre. ....... 55 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From AnilaM001 at aol.com Thu Apr 6 15:19:20 2000 From: AnilaM001 at aol.com (AnilaM001 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 15:19:20 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] = BIZARRE ENGLSIH WORDS OF THE DAY = Message-ID: <92.3478897.261e3c94@aol.com> Adi is challenging my "Bizarre words of the day" with "The cool word of the day..." Albanians are always like that. If they see you do something original, they want to copy you. Pike e zeze! OK, Adi get this: _____________ mensch (mensh) a thoroughly admirable and 100-percent good person. albanian: rob zoti Example: "One day I will marry a mensch. Adi doesn't stand a chance though." ____________________________________ menald (men'eld) speckled, variegated. albanian: me pikla, i sperkatur , me njolla. "Altin Topi was menald with strawberry ice cream when he took his picture in front of Colosseum!" -- Source: Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary From Adis68 at aol.com Thu Apr 6 15:38:04 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 15:38:04 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] = BIZARRE ENGLSIH WORDS OF THE DAY = Message-ID: <6.439d0de.261e3f45@aol.com> I am not trying to challenge you. If check alb-club archive you will find postings like "cool word of the day". I think I started much earlier. I do not want to challenge girls. Whenever I do, somebody gets in trouble. :) Anyway, your postings are cool. Adi From ga57 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 16:22:33 2000 From: ga57 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Giovanni=20Armillotta?=) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:22:33 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Mozar, da Ponte and the Albanians Message-ID: <20000406195229.5889.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Dear Albanian Friends, classical masterpiece "Cos? fan tutte!" (transl. All Women Behave like this!) is musically and formally the most perfect of all Mozart's Italian Operas. The libretto of it was by Italian Lorenzo da Ponte; and this Opera is a political "indirect" homage of Austrian Mozart and Italian da Ponte to Albanians, who in Otoman empire since XV century, they were the heads of diplomacy and the Masters of Levant. Follows a brief summary: Synopsis The action is set in eighteenth-century Naples (Italy) Act One Two young officers, Ferrando and Guglielmo, protest to their older friend Don Alfonso that their lovers could never be unfaithful. Don Alfonso maintains that feminine constancy is a myth, and wagers that he can demonstrate this if the two young men will follow his instructions. The two sisters Fiordiligi and Dorabella are admiring miniature portraits of their lovers when Don Alfonso arrives to say that they have been called away to the wars and must leave at once. After a tearful farewell scene, the officers sail away. The sisters are scandalised when their maid Despina proposes that they find new lovers. With Despina's assistance, Alfonso brings back Ferrando and Guglielmo disguised as Albanians. When the ladies furiously spurn them, the young men believe that they have already won their bet: Don Alfonso points out, however, that it is still early in the day. Feigning despair at the sisters' hard-heartedness, the Albanians pretend to take poison; they are brought back to life by the doctor (Despina in disguise), using a Mesmer magnet. When the revived Albanians return to their wooing, the girls again draw back. Act Two The sisters are beginning to show some interest in the Albanians. For all their reservations, Dorabella decides that she will flirt with Guglielmo, while Fiordiligi will concentrate on Ferrando (thus choosing one another's original lovers). After a serenade presented by the young men, the two couples pair off. Dorabella is flattered by the attentions of Guglielmo, who gives her a little golden heart in exchange for the locket containing Ferrando's portait. Ferrando courts Fiordiligi, who feels her resistance weakening but sends him away, reproaching herself for her lack of firmness. Ferrando is deeply hurt by Guglielmo's account of Dorabella's betrayal. The sisters discuss their feelings: while Dorabella wants to marry her Albanian, Fiordiligi would rather follow her Guglielmo onto the field of battle. Ferrando, however, finally overcomes her resistance. Now Guglielmo, too, sees himself betrayed. Don Alfonso tells the disillusioned lovers that in spite of everything they should marry the girls. A double wedding is planned. The two couples drink to their future happiness; Despina, disguised as a notary, presents the marriage contracts. Just as the girls have signed these, an off-stage march announces the officers' return. The Albanians are quickly hidden in another room, where they put aside their disguises and return as Ferrando and Guglielmo. The whole deception is made clear. Don Alfonso has won his wager, and the four lovers must try to pick up the pieces of their lives: the astute "Albanians" proved to ingenous Italians the truth of the matter Mirupafshim ===== http://go.to/armillotta (general) http://go.to/shqiptar (Albania and Kosova links) http://go.to/shqiperia (my articles on Albania and Kosova) http://go.to/futbolli (Albanian Soccer) http://go.to/sporti (Albanian Sport) http://www.egroups.com/group/albanian-foreign-affairs/info.html PAVAR?SI P?R KOSOV?N HEROIKE/INDEPENDENCE FOR HEROIC KOSOVA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mondib at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 16:42:39 2000 From: mondib at yahoo.com (edmond baho) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:42:39 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] =BIZARRE MEMBER OF ALB-CLUB= Message-ID: <20000406203709.9503.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> Has anybody seen a more bizarre person than this girl Anila? I don't know where she finds those english words, but I would recommend nobody should try to learn them, because they are never used and you will sound ridiculous. And after trying to fake diplomas or her asylum case, after wanting advice to cross ilegally the Canadian border, after trying to pick up business for her twisted tarot company, she finally now has decided to get married and wants to let everybody know her intention. I would say that the moderator should keep an eye on her postings because God only knows what she would come up with next. Anila can't you try a little bit to say something more interesting and more positive, than being so f** of s**t every time? best regards, Mondi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From ardi5 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 16:44:44 2000 From: ardi5 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?ardian=20kanina?=) Date: Thu Apr 6 16:44:44 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Arkeolog Wanted! Message-ID: <20000406204100.4733.qmail@web702.mail.yahoo.com> Duke pasur parasysh interesimin gjithnje e me te madhe te shume institucioneve ,individeve,universiteteve ne bote rreth pasurive arkeologjike Shqiptare eshte e domosdoshme paraqitja e pasurive arkeologjike Shqiptare Online.Kam mbledhur informacion arkeologjike kam bere edhe nje subsite me titullin from "Illyria to Albania".Eshte e nevojshme qe ndonje student apo arkeolog profesional Shqiptar te beje menaxhimin e metejshem te pasurive arkeologjike Shqiptare online.Personi qe eshte i interesuar te kontaktoje me mua per ekspertize online ne adresen ardi5 at yahoo.com Me nderime A.Kanina __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 6 21:46:44 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Thu Apr 6 21:46:44 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Republika e truprojave Message-ID: <20000406222759.85057.qmail@hotmail.com> Pasqyr? shtypi: "Gazeta Shqiptare" Republika e truprojeve Rasti i dhun?s se dy dit?ve m? par? kund?r gazetar?ve t? nj? prej televizioneve private nga punonj?s t? Gard?s, ?sht? edhe objekt i k?tij komenti. N? koment thuhet se truprojat jan? t? plotpushtetsh?m dhe sa her? q? ata e shkelin, t? zot?t e tyre nd?rhyjn? p?r t? mbyllur t? gjitha hesapet q? kan? me drejt?sin?. Dhe kjo do t? ndodh? p?r sa koh? q? politika t? b?het me muskuj, ose muskujt t? jen? t? domosdosh?m p?r politik?n. Vijon m? posht? komenti i plot?: Nuk ka dyshim q? truprojat jan? nga njer?zit m? t? r?nd?sish?m t? shtetit ton?. Kjo jo vet?m se prej koh?sh n? Shqip?ri n? vend t? trurit preferohen muskujt, por p?r shkak se mes truprojave dhe trupave q? ata duhet t? ruajn? ?sht? krijuar nj? simbioz?. Politikan?t shqiptar? e kan? tensionuar aq shum? jet?n politike, sa gati n? ?do ?ast ka vend dhuna. Ky ?sht? momenti i par? q? i konsideron ata t? domosdosh?m. Praktika e zgjedhjes s? tyre ?sht? fare e thjesht?. Duhet t? gjenden mes "t? fort?ve". E dyta, duhet t? jen? "besnik?". Vet? zyrtar?t e lart? i marrin nga rruga ata q? duhet t'i ruajn? dhe i regjistrojn? n? Gard?. Kriteret "i fort?" dhe "besnik" jan? disi ala shqiptar?e, q? t? kujton cubat e bajraktar?ve. Sepse ndodh q? ministria apo drejtues partish t? zgjedhin p?r truproje njer?z q? kan? kryer vepra penale dhe jan? d?nuar m? par? nga gjykata p?r krime ordinere. Por ata jan? t? fort? dhe kaq mjafton. Besnik?ri nuk ?sht? vet?m sakrifica, por edhe heshtja. Ajo shp?rblehet. P?r shembull, truproja mund t? b?j? nd?rmjet?simin n? pazaret e shefit dhe p?r k?t? merr p?rqindjen. Duke qen? besnik? ata mund t? b?jn? nga pak k?shilltarin, konsulentin, ka raste deri edhe an?tarin e familjes. Kjo i b?n ata t? r?nd?sish?m. Madje, m? t? r?nd?sish?m se z?vend?sat e padron?ve t? tyre. Ka ministri apo parti q? truproja e ministrit apo e kryetarit t? partis? t? jet? m? i pushtetsh?m se z?vend?sministri ose n?nkryetari i partis?. Mund t? duket absurde, por ?sht? e v?rtet?. Kjo, sepse shoq?ria shqiptare jeton munges?n e institucioneve. N? vend t? tyre jan? bajraktar?t. Dhe si n? ?do bajrak, pas kapidanit, jan? trimat e tij q? nderohen. K?shtu, rasti i dhun?s se dy dit?ve m? par? kund?r gazetar?ve ka k?t? shpjegim: truprojat jan? t? plotpushtetsh?m. Sa her? q? e shkelin, jan? t? zot?t e tyre q? nd?rhyjn? p?r t? mos u hyr? asnj? gjemb n? k?mb?. Rastet si "t? fort?" q? nuk preken, tashm? kan? ndodhur. Shum? zyrtar? t? lart? i kan? shp?tuar trimat e tyre q? t? mbyllin t? gjitha hesapet q? kan? me drejt?sin?. Dhe kjo do t? ndodh? p?r sa koh? q? politika t? b?het m? muskuj, ose muskujt t? jen? t? domosdosh?m p?r politik?n. # ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From AnilaM001 at aol.com Thu Apr 6 22:08:49 2000 From: AnilaM001 at aol.com (AnilaM001 at aol.com) Date: Thu Apr 6 22:08:49 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Dear Moderators Message-ID: <37.37b968e.261e9c88@aol.com> In the interest of objectivity, I suggest that you enforce a policy of not allowing somebody's former boyfriend/girlfriend post messages where they express negative (and personal) feelings against the latter. Mr. Edmond Baho and I endured a somewhat stormy and all too public affair (he was married, he still is) during the summer of '99 but I think everybody from New York knows that already. Mr. Baho says what he says because he has no discernible sense of humor. In fact the primary cause of our break-up was his obdurate* unwillingness to understand humor and sarcasm, which is woefully* apparent in his message " BIZARRE MEMBER OF ALB-CLUB= Anila * obdurate-*woefully - coming up soon in the "Bizarre word of the day" so Mondi stick around, you might need those "bizarre words" after all :) your english still sucks! From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 6 22:09:30 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Thu Apr 6 22:09:30 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kinezet dhe kurdet te qendrojne ne Shqiperi Message-ID: <20000406222947.64111.qmail@hotmail.com> Pasqyr? shtypi: "Albania" Vizat italiane shk?mbehen me qendra pritjeje Shqip?ria do t? jet? streh? p?r refugjat?t aziatik? dhe afrikan?, thuhet n? k?t? shkrim t? s? p?rditshmes prodemokratike, Albania. N? shkrim vihet n? dukje se Ministri i Brendsh?m italian i ka k?rkuar Ministrit t? Rendit, Po?i, q? policia shqiptare t? ndaloj? trafikun e klandestin?ve q? n? tok? dhe t'i strehoj? ata n? qendra q? do t? hapen n? Shqip?ri. Sipas shkrimit, kjo, n? shk?mbim t? 6 mij? vizave p?r shqiptar?t, q? do t? jepen nga Ambasada Italiane. Vijon m? posht? nj? pjes? e shkrimit: Gjasht? mij? vizat q? do t? jepen nga Ambasada Italiane p?r pun?sim t? rregullt t? shqiptar?ve do t? shk?mbehen me hapjen e qendrave t? pritjes n? Shqip?ri t? klandestin?ve joshqiptar?. Ky ?sht? p?rfundimi tjet?r i vizit?s s? zv/Ministrit t? Brendsh?m italian, Marittati, q? u b? i ditur nga nj? burim pran? zyr?s s? zv/Kryeministres ?e?o. I nj?jti shqet?sim i pal?s italiane ?sht? shprehur edhe n? takimin me Ministrin e Rendit, Po?i, i cili p?r t? nj?jtin problem, ka zhvilluar takime me Ministrin e Brendsh?m italian, Bianco, si dhe me at? grek Christforidhis. Marittati i ka k?rkuar Po?it q? policia e tij t? ndaloj? trafikun e klandestin?ve q? n? tok?, gj? q? do t? thot? se marr?veshja tripal?she mes Greqis?, Italis? dhe Shqip?ris? ?sht? n?nshkruar. N?se trafiku do t? ndalohet q? n? tok?, at?her? Shqip?ris? i duhet patjet?r q? t'i kthej? ata nga kan? ardhur: n? Greqi, Mal t? Zi, Maqedoni dhe Kosov?. P?r shtetasit me komb?si kineze kurde apo nga shtetet e Afrik?s Veriore nuk ka marr?veshje ripranimi t? klandestin?ve, ndaj do t'i mbetet Shqip?ris? q? t'i mbledh? dhe t'i strehoj? k?ta klandestin? n? qendra p?rkat?se, pasi shtetet e origjin?s nuk i pranojn?. Nd?rsa shtetet n?p?r t? cilat kalon trafiku ilegal i lindor?ve dhe i afrikan?ve, do t? pranoj? nj? num?r t? kufizuar klandestin?sh, k?shtu q? edhe Shqip?ris? i mbetet t? pranoj? nj? pjes? t? k?tij emigracioni. N? brigjet italiane, gjat? 1999, kan? kaluar nga Shqip?ria 47 mij? klandestin?, nd?r t? cil?t vet?m 5 mij? kan? qen? shqiptar?. Pala shqiptare e ka pranuar k?t? shk?mbim, por me kushtin q? Italia t? jet? financuesja e k?tyre qendrave. Qendrat e para q? do t? hapen, do t? jen? p?r vajzat dhe grat? shqiptare q? policia italiane arrin t'i largoj? nga rruga e prostitucionit. K?to do t? jen? hapja e rrug?s p?r ngritjen e qendrave t? tjera me objektiva t? tjera. # ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 6 22:09:54 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Thu Apr 6 22:09:54 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Lajme nga zonat e minoritetit Message-ID: <20000406222623.23082.qmail@hotmail.com> Kryetari i Bashkis? s? Gjirokastr?s ?sht? takuar me kryetar? t? komunave t? minoritetit grek dhe ka k?rkuar q? p?r projektet q? do t? paraqiten t? hapet nj? fond prej 600 mij? dollar?, akorduar nga Qeveria Greke. Investimet do t? mbik?qyren nga Qeveria Shqiptare. Kryebashkiaku Sotir Mantho u ka th?n? p?rfaq?suesve t? minoritetit grek se "t? realizosh investime n? k?to zona, m? par? duhet t? paraqiten projekte serioze nga k?shillat e k?tyre komunave". Pjesa m? e madhe e pjes?marr?sve kan? k?rkuar q? t? investohet p?r rehabilitimin e rrug?ve, si dhe p?r nd?rtimin dhe ristrukturimin e qendrave t? reja sh?ndet?sore. # ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From mondib at yahoo.com Thu Apr 6 22:24:46 2000 From: mondib at yahoo.com (edmond baho) Date: Thu Apr 6 22:24:46 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Pray for Anila, she will be dead as soon as I find her Message-ID: <20000407022355.26706.qmail@web1804.mail.yahoo.com> Re: Alb-club request rejected. Dear moderators. Since you decided to reject my previous message as unsuitable for this list, (but posted Anila-the-nut's message)I will try to be more moderate. I have never met this girl, I have never been married, I have never had an affair, I don't even live in New York and I don't know what this horrible girl is talking about. Anila, you will be hearing from my attorney. Slander charges you know? And how the moderators could post her message, I still cannot believe it. Mondi __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From albana at zool.unizh.ch Fri Apr 7 07:42:19 2000 From: albana at zool.unizh.ch (Albana Rexhepi) Date: Fri Apr 7 07:42:19 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] revival of the dead In-Reply-To: <200004070224.e372Osg16174@alb-net.com> Message-ID: >From: AnilaM001 at aol.com >mensch (mensh) > >albanian: rob zoti >Example: >"One day I will marry a mensch. Adi doesn't stand a chance though." AnilaM001 at aol.com, if you really insists in marrying a (the) mensch you probably will never marry (and if you don't, which will not make the quality of your life worse, you could, still, use "the mensch" as an alibi). The point I am trying to make is that this mensch defined as "a thoroughly admirable and 100-percent good person" doesn't exist, and if he did (I postulate he was called Jessus) he is dead and already recycled to his father (in)organic world. But otherwise I would say that: >I would say that the moderator should keep an eye on >her postings because God only knows what she would >come up with next. ... the moderators should keep an eye on every vulgar posting that intends just classifying and denigrating people and their arguments. I find AnilaM postings (I mean these last ones on linguistic) very entertaining indeed. Maybe s/he could have spared the list members from being crucified, along with Mrs. Byrne's Dictionary, but it occurs to me that those same members get entertained too. I didn't see negative things in AnilaM's efforts of revival of dead english words, I found the idea very funny, even though not THAT original (Kanina at al, has been doing the same with our history), her/his interprations politically incorrect, with an irony coupled to a self-irony that brings a good laugh. It is a good trick (even I do not know whether s/he really meant it to be like this) for psychohygiene, specially for those who take everything personal, i.e, take themselves and life very, very seriously, one dimensional. Another very positive thing about AnilaM is that, s/he fully enjoys the anonimity the syberspace invites people to. While many people in this list want to know everything about the other, or worse, tell everything about themselves, giving to me the impression of those animals on the dissecting table, with every thing open, legs, belly, inner organs, s/he makes out of herself/himself whatever s/he wants, and s/he keeps herself/himself just for herself/himself. Albana From nadja_k71 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 7 11:27:06 2000 From: nadja_k71 at yahoo.com (N. K.) Date: Fri Apr 7 11:27:06 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Aniles Message-ID: <20000407151452.10524.qmail@web4305.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Anila, My name is Nadja. I happen to be Mondi's girl friend and we have been going steady for a long time now, like a year or so. I couldn't believe my eyes when I read what you wrote about Mondi. I can't believe one can lie in the way that you do. Mondi has been with me during the summer '99 for your information and I would suggest that the moderators should try to keep this list clean from slander and lies and try to avoid the members being bothered and put in such a difficult position to discuss their private matters in a forum like this one. As for you Anila, I feel only sorry. You better check yourself out. Bestr regards, Nadja __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From AnilaM001 at aol.com Fri Apr 7 11:50:16 2000 From: AnilaM001 at aol.com (AnilaM001 at aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 7 11:50:16 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Re: Aniles Message-ID: <97.3ce7c04.261f5cdc@aol.com> Nadja, You are too sure of yourself, aren't you? I won't give you anymore details of our little "affair" as it makes you uncomfortable, but how on earth do you put up with him? Have fun! (if you can, with that humorless species) Anila From AlbClubNY at aol.com Fri Apr 7 14:47:34 2000 From: AlbClubNY at aol.com (AlbClubNY at aol.com) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:47:34 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Scholarships for International Students (info request) Message-ID: <3b.331e3fb.261f6429@aol.com> Subj: Student nga Shqiperia Date: 4/7/00 12:05:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: swagenmaker at earthlink.net (Wagenmaker Sara) Reply-to: swagenmaker at earthlink.net (Wagenmaker Sara) To: AlbClubNY at aol.com Emri im eshte Klaid Hyso. Une jam nje student nga qyteti i Vlores dhe kam ardhur ne U.S.A me 18.8.99. Une po jetoj ne Michigan ne nje qytet te quajtur Muskegon. Jam pranuar ne nje universitet (HOPE College) ne nje qytet te quajtur Holland. Problemi im eshte se une nuk jam ne gjendje te perballoj cmimin e kolegjit. Nqs. ju mund te me ndihmoni me ndonje informacion per bursa per studenta internacional, ju lutem me shkruani ne e-meil: swagenmaker at earthlink.net Me respekt: Klaid Hyso From aqeli1 at uic.edu Fri Apr 7 14:48:24 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:48:24 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Aniles In-Reply-To: <20000407151452.10524.qmail@web4305.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > and we have been going steady for a long time now, > like a year or so. By the most liberal Albanian standards "one year ain't no long time at all"; try 10 years -- that may sound like somewhat long to our ears; By the way -- I withdraw all and every non-positive statement about Albanian girls that I may have produced in the past; A certain message I received yesterday made me revise my position, and I realized how wrong I had been. From aqeli1 at uic.edu Fri Apr 7 14:48:28 2000 From: aqeli1 at uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Fri Apr 7 14:48:28 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] (no subject) Message-ID: "Panafon" stands among main competitors on buying AMC Kete e tha drejtori i "Panafon" -- z. Hadjiaslanis. http://www.ata-al.com/arshive/20000101/english/ekonomi/lajm03.htm From Admir2000 at netscape.net Fri Apr 7 16:50:10 2000 From: Admir2000 at netscape.net (Admir Bezhani) Date: Fri Apr 7 16:50:10 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Travel Message-ID: <20000407200506.21672.qmail@www0p.netaddress.usa.net> Dear EchoTravel, Thank you for the treavel related information you posted the other day. It was very interesting and informative. I am sending this message to the list too, as I think that the questions I have for you should be interesting to the rest of the members. 1. I would like to know why a US domestic ticket from X city to Y city one day is $100 and the next could be up to $1,200? I never was able to understand it and I think of it as the biggest insanity of the travel business. 2. What are the crucial dates during the year that are considered to be a season change wich causes the international ticket prices to go up. 3. What do you recommend to be an interesting beach in the US? Also so Albanians need a visa to go to Hawai or Puerto Rico/ (I know these are US territories, but I want to make sure) Thank you in advance, Admir ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From Fifapi at aol.com Sat Apr 8 01:29:03 2000 From: Fifapi at aol.com (Fifapi at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 01:29:03 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] KLITHMAT E HARABELEVE Message-ID: <32.361c8fc.26200683@aol.com> KLITHMAT E HARABELEVE (Kushtuar ndryshimeve te 1990-es) Nga fundi I varrit harabeli leviz gurin Nema e Nenes: ?ku e ke besen Shqipetar Me the se nuk do te kishe me kular Nuk do te te terhiqnin per Kapistalli Ata Qe peshtymen lepijne.? I mjeri ti ajo Nenzeze e mjera 45 vjet kaluan e bijte e saj nga kolera u shuan Jo miza! Bijte e saj. Penethyer, kokulur U mbyten ne llumin e injorances e sa me shume leviznin aq me shume zhyteshin ne Pseudokulture Militantet Nentor1996 From Dritan68 at aol.com Sat Apr 8 01:29:11 2000 From: Dritan68 at aol.com (Dritan68 at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 01:29:11 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Studim interesant per historine e Shqiperise Message-ID: <54.2a19191.261fdbea@aol.com> Rastesisht gjeta nje web page me nje studim interesant te historise se Shqiperise te shkruar nga Abaz Ermenji.Vecova disa kapituj 25-30. http:/ /www.mygale.org/ballikombetar/chap25.html .........Ata q? vazhduan t'a kishin edhe p?r disa vjet popullin me vehte, qen? krer? e bajraktar? t? veriut. Kjo i detyrohej gjendjes m? primitive t? popullit t'atyre krahinave, mbetur n? mend?sin? e ngusht? t? fisit, dhe autoritetit q? kishin fituar mbi t? krer? e bajraktar?, t? cil?t formonin si nj? hierarki ushtarake t? pranuar prej koh?sh. K?shtu, nd?rsa populli i Shqip?ris? s? jug?s i bindej zakonisht qeveris? qendrore dhe nuk l?vizte ve?se p?r shkaqe t? m?dha komb?tare, ai i mal?sivet t? veriut ishte gati t? rr?mbente arm?t sa her? q? t'a th?rrisnin krer?t (duke i premtuar, natyrisht, ndonj? pages?). Prandaj krer? e bajraktar? t? veriut u b?n? "sip?rmarr?sit" e p?rmbysjevet politike shqiptare, p?r t? cil?t kishin nevoj? jo vet?m klikat e ndryshme t? Tiran?s q? luftonin kund?r nj?ra tjetr?s, po edhe armiqt? e jasht?m, n? radh? t? par? Jugosllavia. Kjo iu jepte rroga t? rregullta disa krer?ve t? veriut, si n? Dib?r e gjetk?, dhe provoi disa her? t? p?rmbyste shtetin shqiptar me an?n e tyre. K?ta e b?n? zakon t'i l?shoh?shin Tiran?s sa her? q? mund t? ?onin n? k?mb? tre a kat?r qind veta t'armatosur dhe me nga nj? thes n? krah?, p?r t? b?r? nj? udh? e dy pun?: edhe p?r t? marr? n? dor? shtetin, edhe p?r t? pla?kitur dyqan?t! ... From asimeqi at ccs.neu.edu Sat Apr 8 01:29:17 2000 From: asimeqi at ccs.neu.edu (Artan Simeqi) Date: Sat Apr 8 01:29:17 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] albanian.com In-Reply-To: <199910091600.MAA10858@alb-net.com> Message-ID: Disa serbe kane marre kontroll mbi faqen albanian.com Ora tani eshte 10:25PM, ET. Kush te kete informacion me te plote eshte i lutur te beje dicka. Artani From altin_topi at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 11:14:39 2000 From: altin_topi at yahoo.com (altin topi) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:14:39 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] My Exercise Program Message-ID: <20000408144150.15001.qmail@web3304.mail.yahoo.com> To Alb-Club Members, Physical exercise is very good for us. We all should do it daily. But because of our busy schedule, specially for the Albanian Women, who work much harder than Albanian Men(this is a well known fact), and 'cause with age our body doesn't want us to do too much, in cooperation with well-known experts in the field, I have worked out this program of strenuous activities that do not require physical exercise. You are invited to use my program without charge. 1. Beating around the bush 2. Jumping to conclusions 3. Climbing the walls 4. Swallowing the pride 5. Passing the buck 6. Throwing my weight around 7. Dragging my heels 8. Pushing my luck 9. Making mountains out of molehills 10. Hitting the nail on the head 11. Bending over backwards 12. Jumping on the bandwagon 13. Running around in circles 14. Eating crow 15. Tooting my own horn 16. Adding fuel to the fire 17. Opening a can of worms 18. Putting my foot in my mouth 19. Starting the ball rolling 20. Going over the edge 21. Balancing the books 22. Picking up...the pieces 23. Climbing the ladder of success. You all are allowed to change the above order to what fits better to your case. Please let me know if you get good results. And if so, it will be a great help to all of us,if you can bring in your experience by describing your results with specific examples. The above program can bring different results for different individuals. Two people looking at the same thing(subject or object), can see it and think about it completely in different ways. Example: When Altin wrote about GH, he projected his "essay"(Albana who has developed a keen critical thinking might call it "pseudo-essay")as entirely metaphoric and not personalized(Athena who sounds artistic, delicate and fragile like a Chinese porcelain might call it "un-ethical and vulgar". Which makes Altin's think that Athena is not a believer in Old Testament like he is) writing with the understanding that readers will read it through the lines, to catch the underlying. Parid suggested that Altin's picture in front of the Colosseum meant a "clown". But Altin got another hint. Let say that GH was trying to say that Altin was taking the position of a "crusader" or "banner-bearer" by changing his style. It might be that GH wrote and meant something else. Hey Guys, it is nothing personal! Anyhow, Happy Exercising to all of you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From traboini at erols.com Sat Apr 8 11:15:25 2000 From: traboini at erols.com (Traboini) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:15:25 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] I came to America ... Message-ID: <38EEBEBD.51BE@erols.com> "Shiko, erdha ne Amerike pasi kisha degjuar se rruget ishin te shtruara me flori. Por, kur erdha ketu, pashe tri gjera: se pari nuk ishin te shtruara me flori; se dyti, disa rruge nuk ishin fare te shtruara; dhe se treti, me prisnin t'i shtroja une." ?Look, I came to America because I heard the streets were paved with gold. But when I got here, I found out three things: first, the streets weren't paved with gold; second, some of the streets weren't paved at all; and third, I was expected to pave them.? (Old Italian story, inscribed at Ellis Island) From altin_topi at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 11:21:08 2000 From: altin_topi at yahoo.com (altin topi) Date: Sat Apr 8 11:21:08 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Our Dot Com(.com) lives and 4 C's - I Message-ID: <20000408144330.15222.qmail@web3304.mail.yahoo.com> OUR DOT COM (.com) LIVES AND 4 C's The passage from one century to the other one, from one Millennia to the next one is characterized by a major cultural, social and economical shift. This major event unthinkable only few year ago can be defined at best by the 4 C's: Compression, Connectivity, Creativity and Complexity. An excellent example of "compression" is the story of transistors. A transistor is described as a "minute electronic semiconductor device used like an electronic tube, which controls current flow by means of germanium or silicon." Within the volume of a transistor manufactured two decades ago, today many thousands of this switching devices can be placed. The NY Times October issue of the last year announced that within the next five years the Internet will become an essential part of the way we lead our lives and the companies do business. - "Heralding an era in which computers and especially computer display, can blend into the fabric of everyday life, IBM researchers have reported that they have developed flexible transistors that can be embedded in curved surfaces or even in thin, foldable materials. The breakthrough promises products ranging from electronic newspapers and magazines that could be folded and tucked into the briefcase or shirtpocket to big computers screens that could unfold, from cellular phones and other hand-held devices." Another example of compression is the case of the first IBM computer which occupied an entire hall. This was in the year 1943. Most of us remember the Tirana's famous "old" Information Center, nearby the Polytechnic "7 Nentori"(today Technical School "H. Fultz"). Only my Gateway PC is maybe hundred times as powerful as the entire system occupying the building and smaller than a leg space on my desk. In everyday life we are witnessing miniaturization such as hand-held television sets, extremely powerful laptop computers, cellular phones, wireless communication devices and many instruments used in the health care industry such as bloodless and leproscopic surgery. The list can go on and on and can be as long as we want to be. The advent of Internet introduced a new dimension in our lives. The Internet is such that you really won't talk about an Internet company any more than you would have talked about a company that used electricity as an electric company at the beginning of this century. And mentioning the birth of electricity, it comes into your mind the Moore's Law. Technologies always having periods of fabulous advances at some point they plateau. How longer we will be able to keep the doubling of computer power without an increase in cost? Previously when somebody wanted to reach us, he was able to do it by mail or by telephone. It is our choice to be or not to be listed on the telephone book - which in fact is in all cases distributed locally. As far as our address is concerned, we give it out selectively to people we chose individually. Going back to miniaturization we are unable to imagine how far it can go. It seems almost infinite. Can you put a limit to it, what we are witnessing when everyday new computing devices, intelligence, access to the Net being embedded in everyday devices and piece of paper. Specially by giants and powerful Net companies which have the means and the brain, there's a tremendous amount of research and development focused on new products. It seems no end to Moore's Law on the way that the technology can go. The Internet enables an individual or an organization to occupy a "Domain", which in effect announces its existence globally. At this point, the occupant of the "domain" is exposed to be contacted by anybody who wishes to do so, on a global basis. I'm emphasizing this "who wishes to do so" with a benign smile in my face. Because this reminded me of the "Alb-Club Discussion List". Most of the participant I believe have decided for different reasons to announce their "domain"(E-Mail address), but under conditions of anonymity. This is similar to the "old PO Box", which not necessary identifies the person receiving the mail. It is just a number. So taking into account the in-s and out-s of this intricate issue of preserving our privacy or not exposing our real identity, our previous notion of "connectivity" is absolutely redefined. However, when we think about the "basic connectivity", the devices we use or will use to communicate with each-other, - the cell phones, the PDAs(personal digital assistants), the wireless,etc., - at some point all that will level out, it will saturate, As far as businesses are concerned they may benefit from being able to expose themselves to as large an audience as possible. This somehow is similar to homesteading in the last century. When somebody legally occupied a piece of land it became his. The same way a company or individual registers a domain, it becomes their property. One example of an occupancy or domain is the domain that Alb-Net owns: www.alb-net.com. But let try not to mingle with the legal meaning of this occupancy and multiple forms of existing "domains" (individual or organization). What this practically means - if somebody search for any subject which include a generic names such as Albanian history, culture, politics, the Internet search engine will connect the person to several domains, which most probably will include Alb-Net. >From there automatic "hot links" will divert the inquiry to our beloved Discussion List - Alb-Club. As a result Alb-Net created a new connection. Is this fantastic? Positively and definitely YES. .... continues __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From PTP2000 at aol.com Sat Apr 8 16:02:46 2000 From: PTP2000 at aol.com (PTP2000 at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:02:46 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Stock Market Seminar Message-ID: Kolec Traboini shkruante: "Shiko, erdha ne Amerike pasi kisha degjuar se rruget ishin te shtruara me flori. Por, kur erdha ketu, pashe tri gjera: se pari nuk ishin te shtruara me flori; se dyti, disa rruge nuk ishin fare te shtruara; dhe se treti, me prisnin t'i shtroja une." LOL! Ka flori ketu, por duhet kerkuar dhe nje nga rruget eshte investimi ne stock market. Nder qellimet e Klubit eshte ndihma per integrimin e bashkeatdhetareve ne jeten moderne duke perfshire edhe kulturen e Burses. Disa jave me pare thame se mendonim te organizonim nje seminar ne Manhattan. Kjo ide eshte modifikuar ne nje seminar ONLINE, per shkak avantazheve si pjesemarrje e pakufizuar nga vendi, kosto e ulet dhe fleksibilitet orari. Seminari do te perbehet nga nje seri 10 leksionesh qe do t'u dergohen pjesemarresve me email, nje ne jave dhe pyetje / pergjigje (gjithmone me email) mbi lenden e javes. Leksionet do te jene ne shqip me ritheksim ne anglisht te termave profesionale. Lenda do te jete: 1) Aksionet (Equity Securities) 2) Obligacionet (Debt Securities) 3) Opsionet (Options) 4) Tregjet Financiare (Trading Markets) 5) Teknika te tregtimit dhe investimit (Trading and investment techniques) 6) Ofertat e reja (New issues) 7) Llojet e llogarive (Accounts) 8) Kompanite e investimeve (Investment Companies) 9) Njohuri mbi taksimin e investimeve (Taxes) 10) Analiza teknike (Technical Analysis) Sic dihet, Klubi nuk mbledh kuota, por financohet nepermjet aktiviteteve qe organizon. Regjistrimi ne seminar kushton $29.99, me check / cash / money order, ne adresen: The Albanian Club of New York 6021 Blvd. East, West New York, NJ 07093 Mos harroni te shenoni adresen e email-it Regjistrimet mbyllen me 7 Maj 2000. Parate do t'i kthehen kujdo qe mbetet i pakenaqur. Abonentet nga Shqiperia (duke perfshire Kosoven, Maqedonine dhe Malin e Zi) pranohen falas. Parid From Aakola at aol.com Sat Apr 8 16:06:52 2000 From: Aakola at aol.com (Aakola at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:06:52 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Albanian.com Message-ID: JU LUTEM LEXONI : Sic shkruante dikush nga lista, www.Albanian/com e kane rrembyer serbet.Ky eshte nje ofendim e fyerje per te gjithe ata qe e dine veten shqiptare.Pyetja ime eshte kjo: Di ndonjeri te tregoje se c'behet ne keto raste? Ku duhet te ankohesh? Si mund ta marresh prape www.albanian.com? Ju lutem konsiderojeni kete mesazh shume urgjent.Ju lutem atyre qe merren me kompiuterat ti kushtojne pak kohe ketij problemi si specialiste qe jane. Agim Kola From radiobleta at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 16:07:16 2000 From: radiobleta at yahoo.com (GENC TRESI) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:07:16 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Festivali"Bletezat 2000" Message-ID: <20000408185514.29343.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Ftese per konkurs Drejtoria e Festivalit te kengeve per femije "Bletezat" me seli ne Tetove shpall konkursin per kenget e fetsivalit te sivjeme qe do te mbahet ne fund te shtatorit ne tetove.Ftojme te gjithe te interesuarit te konkurojne.I vetmi kusht eshte qe kompozimi te dergohet i incizuar ne CD(verzioni final- pra me tekst te kenduar dhe me orkestrim) Afati i fundit per dergimin e materialeve per konkurs eshte 31.05.2000 .Materialet me shifer ne pliko tembyllur(pra CD dhe partitura me dy kopje te tekstit) duhte derguar ne adresen: Festivali"Bletezat" Tetove,Maqedoni Rr."Ilindeni" PN GTC 2/5 kontakt telefoni 99 389 94 32 323 0se ne E-mail:radiobleta at yahoo.com Ju mirepresim ne festivalin tone te IV-te"Bletezat 2000" Festivali"Bletezat" BujarTresi,drejtor ===== Radio Bleta Ilindenska GTC 2/5 91220,Tetova Macedonia radiobleta at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From AlbClubNY at aol.com Sat Apr 8 16:26:50 2000 From: AlbClubNY at aol.com (AlbClubNY at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:26:50 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Albanian.com and the hackers Message-ID: <98.3a0cb3a.2620efe9@aol.com> Do we have any Albanian hackers? ..or are they specialized only in sending viruses for "fun"? Below please find some particularities of both the hackers and albanian.com.(for the internet and www savvy only-if they can help in any way) Domain Name: YUHACK.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.WEBPROVIDER.COM Name Server: NS2.WEBPROVIDER.COM Updated Date: 29-nov-1999 Domain Name: ALBANIAN.COM Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com Referral URL: www.networksolutions.com Name Server: NS1.WEBPROVIDER.COM Name Server: NS2.WEBPROVIDER.COM Updated Date: 05-apr-2000 From mondib at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 16:44:42 2000 From: mondib at yahoo.com (edmond baho) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:44:42 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Seminari i Burses Message-ID: <20000408204058.5779.qmail@web1802.mail.yahoo.com> <> Po c'ju duhet stock marketi atyre? Jua ha mendja se kane gjendje financiare shqiptaret ne Shqiperi e Kosove te luajne me Bursen? Edhe sikur ca nga ata te kene, munden ata te investojne online pasi te kene mesuar se si funksionon Bursa? Munden ata te transferojne para nga nje banke ne Shqiperi apo Maqedoni ne nje brokerage house ketu ne US p.sh.? Une i kam derguar para atyre te shtepise ne Shqiperi me "wire transfer" por vetem se ky transfer duhej bere nepermjet nje banke greke ne Tirane me duket. Por nuk di a munden te bejne dhe ata te atjeshmit te njejten gje. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From Echotravel at aol.com Sat Apr 8 16:57:48 2000 From: Echotravel at aol.com (Echotravel at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:57:48 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Travel (reply to Admir) Message-ID: <7d.3493c86.2620f6d2@aol.com> Admir wrote: <<1. I would like to know why a US domestic ticket from X city to Y city one day is $100 and the next could be up to $1,200? I never was able to understand it and I think of it as the biggest insanity of the travel business.>> Tickets purchased 7, 14, 21, 30 or 45 days in advance, which typically include a Saturday night stay and are usually non-refundable, can be more than 70% cheaper than non-advance purchased tickets. So if you buy a ticket from NY to LA on April 1st for departure date April 8, you might find a fare for $300. If you decide to buy it one day later, then you are not eligible for the seven-day-advance-purchase-fare so you will only be able to buy an unrestricted ticket which rund from $700-$1200. The second ticket though, can be fully refunded exchanged at no penalty. But don't be too concerned about buying a non-refundable ticket. Date and often routing changes can be made on most non-refundable tickets for a small penalty fee of about $50-$75. Even if your plans change and you can't use the ticket at all, the face value of a non-refundable ticket can usually be applied towards the purchase of a new ticket, less the penalty fee. Before buying a non-refundable ticket find out what changes can be made and at what cost. Admir also wrote: <<2. What are the crucial dates during the year that are considered to be a season change wich causes the international ticket prices to go up.>> Those dates vary from one airline to the other. But we would say watch out for dates like June 12-15 when the so called "high season" starts. International travel tickets will hike more than $200. Putting it plainly, someone who travels to Tirana on June 12 will pay $200 less than someone who travels just one day later on June 13. September 1st is another crucial date where fares go down dramatically and they keep down until December 12-15 before the holiday season starts. January 7 usually ends this holiday season and people have a chance to get to e.g. Albania for as low as $450 until March 31st. So: January 7- March 31 -Low season...fares to Albania and Kosova for as low as $450 from NY or major cities April 1st- June 12- Shoulder season- Fares to Albania and Kosova vary from $570- $700 depending on the airline June12- August 31st - High season. Fares to Albania in the neighborhood of $800 and more September 1st- December 12- Low season again December 13- January 7- High season (Continues tomorrow with an answer to the third question: the best beaches in the US, Hawai and Puerto Rico) Happy Travels! ECHO TRAVEL 212-486-0020 echotravel at aol.com From FLLADINYC at aol.com Sat Apr 8 16:58:16 2000 From: FLLADINYC at aol.com (FLLADINYC at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:58:16 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] FUTBOLL Message-ID: <9d.3e038c0.2620f655@aol.com> Nga kampionati Gjerman i Bundesliges, midis permbledhejve te ndjeshjeve te tjera luajtur sot (te shtunen, 8 prill ) ishte dhe kjo permbledhje e shkurter. <<>> Pra Igli Tare, lojtari i perfaqsueses sone, shenon per ngjyrat e skuadres se tij, Kaiserslautern, kunder Shalke 04, duke e perfaqesuar veten dhe vendin e tij mjaft mire ne Bundesliga, se bashku me Altin Rrakllin (ky i fundit luan per SpVgg Unteraching). Shpresojme qe koha te kete ardhur edhe per futbollistet dhe futbollin shqiptar, qe te terheqin vemendjen ne arenen nderkombetare, dhe me shprese te zotit, te arrije ndonje kualifikim te mundshem per ne Boterorin Aziatik te 2002. Ne grupin kualifikues kemi kundershtare te fuqishem, si Gjermanine, Angline, Sllovenine...dhe ...grekerit. Ne kampionatin Gjerman udheheq Bayer Leverkusen, ndjekur nga Bayern Munich, Hamburg, dhe Kaiserslautern. SpVgg Unteraching eshte ne vend te 11-te ne klasifikim. :-) Flladi From altin_topi at yahoo.com Sat Apr 8 16:59:02 2000 From: altin_topi at yahoo.com (altin topi) Date: Sat Apr 8 16:59:02 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Altini - Anila Friendship Message-ID: <20000408204519.7985.qmail@web3306.mail.yahoo.com> Old Pals Altin and Anila are old pals. Unfortunately life moved them around places and now they live in different locations. But still they keep in touch and communicate with each-other, and with the advent of Internet they have turn to be "keypals". The word "keypal" is a new word which is catching on as the level of Internet usage is increasing. Keypal: noun - meaning: An online pen pal. Usage: "Altin is learning old words, out of use, thanks to her keypal, Anila, in Canad.., US..(not sure?!)." Note: Altin and Anila are two generic proper names. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mentor at alb-net.com Sat Apr 8 20:35:21 2000 From: mentor at alb-net.com (Mentor Cana) Date: Sat Apr 8 20:35:21 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] albanian.com domain hijacked! (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Mentor Cana To: Albanian Discussion List Subject: albanian.com domain hijacked! To all, Please NOTE that the albanian.com domain name has been hijacked/stolen from us. What it means is that someone has made the changes with Network Solutions for the albanian.com to point somewhere else, to another server. Therefore, until the things with Network Solutions are straightened out, we can't change the appearance.... later, Mentor From Adis68 at aol.com Sat Apr 8 20:36:04 2000 From: Adis68 at aol.com (Adis68 at aol.com) Date: Sat Apr 8 20:36:04 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Critique of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony Message-ID: <38.4590402.262122ad@aol.com> A managed-care reviewer gave this critique of Schubert's Unfinished Symphony: 1. All 12 violins played the same notes. This is unneccessary duplication. Their numbers should be cut. 2. For a considerable period oboe players had nothing to do. Their numbers should be reduced and their work spread evenly among the staff. 3. No useful purpose is served by repeating with horns the passage that was already handled by the strings. If such recundancies were eliminated, the concert could be cut to 20 minutes. 4. The symphony has two movements. Mr. Schubert should have been able to achieve his musical goals in one. Conclusion: If Mr. Schubert had paid attention to these matters, he would have had time to finish the symphony. From aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu Sat Apr 8 20:38:21 2000 From: aqeli1 at tigger.cc.uic.edu (Albi Qeli) Date: Sat Apr 8 20:38:21 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] (no subject) Message-ID: <001001bfa1cb$f63ba400$4faaf880@xyz.uic.edu> C'pune ka Fatos Nano me pavaresine e Kosoves? Ky lajm ishte tek Reuters http://newsnet.reuters.com/cgi-bin/basketview.cgi?b=rcom:general&s=nRO086497 3 ". . . Two key Kosovo Albanian leaders, former rebel head Hashim Thaqi and longtime political figure Ibrahim Rugova, had expressed support during the conference for Kosovo eventually to become independent. . . . But even Albanian participants were reluctant to back the demands. Fatos Nano, president of Albania's coalition-leading Socialist Party, said Albania's goal was to rid itself of its reputation as a haven for organised crime and money laundering and integrate itself and other Albanian communities into the European mainstream. . . ." _--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_--_ "Quicquid id est, timeo Danaos et dona ferentes". ("Sido q? t? jet?, i druhem grek?ve edhe kur ata sjellin dhurata". Ky ishte paralajmerimi i priftit Laokoont kur ai pa kalin e Trojes. Citat nga "Eneida" e Virgjilit.) Lexoni poem?n 'Laokoonti' t? Kadares?: http://www.argjiro.net/kadare_laokoonti.htm From traboini at erols.com Sun Apr 9 11:15:07 2000 From: traboini at erols.com (Traboini) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:15:07 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Cfare fitoi Mark Bartoni ne Stock ? References: <200004090400.e3940Be03663@alb-net.com> Message-ID: <38F00C97.7DF0@erols.com> Paridi shkruan: | LOL! Ka flori ketu, por duhet kerkuar dhe nje nga rruget | eshte investimi ne stock market. Nder qellimet e Klubit | eshte ndihma per integrimin e bashkeatdhetareve ne jeten | moderne duke perfshire edhe kulturen e Burses. Po mor mik, edhe mua me pelqen te fitoj dollare me thase, mirepo ketu nuk te lene Sinjor Billat dhe ndjenja e panikut... Qe kur kam degjuar emrin e Mark Bartonit, nje specialist mjaft i mire( sic shkruhej ne gazeta) i investimeve ne stock... a diku tjeter dreqi e di, edhe pse njihte sekretet e profesionit, humbi sic thuhej rreth 400 mije dollare duke mbetur krakacul, e ne gjendje depresive nuk pa rruge tjeter para vehtes vecse vajti e vrau koleget e zyres se tij qe merreshin me investimet e pastaj te njejten gje beri me gruan e femijen e tij para se te vriste edhe vehten... Nje tragjedi me 11 te vdekur!!! Dhe asgjekundi nuk u shkrua se ai ishte i cmendur apo dic tjeter, perkundrazi e konsideronin nje njeri i rregullt, gazmor ne shoqeri dhe i afte. Ndoshta ne momentin e fundit e shkalloi Stock Marketi! E frika sic dihet ruan vreshtat, prandaj dhe hallexhijte, rangu yne, qendron teper larg llotarive me ato pak para qe nxjerrim me pune te rendomta e gjendje shpirterore te renduar, se jemi larg Atdheut, se kemi braktisur profesionet, se kemi njerez qe e mbajne frymen gjalle ne Shqiperi me ato pak dollare qe u dergojme. Prandaj i veme me shume kujdes qeses se vogel se sa thesit te madh te Stockeve... Kola From mbreti at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 11:16:48 2000 From: mbreti at yahoo.com (Artjan Shani) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:16:48 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Investor University. Market and Limit Orders. Message-ID: <20000409134502.24442.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> WHAT'S IS DIFFRENCE BETWEEN MAKET AND LIMIT ORDERS ? 1. MARKET ORDERS are filled at the price at the time the order reaches market maker. Advantage: -Your order is almost always filled. Disadvantage: -You don't know what price you'll get,and a sharp swing can cost you. Use market orders when: -You are in long term-intraday moves won't have much impact on your overall return. -You're eager to exploit a big price move,so you'll give up a small price break to ride a surge-or avoid a plunge. -The bid -to-offered spread in an active stock is just one"tik"-usually one sixteenth , or 6.25 Cent. (A tik is a smallest possible price move allowed for that stock). 2.LIMIT OREDERS let you name your own price for buying or selling shares. Advantage: -You can sometimes get a better deal for a stock or even move the market. Disadvantage: -Some 40% of orders never get filled. Use Limit Order When: -The spread between buyers and sellers prices is one-eight (12.5 Cent) or more-wide enough to place a limit order"inside dhe spread". -A stock actively trades in a range ,so you might catch shares on a dip. -You're placing an order when trading is likely to be unruly -at the market, or during an IPO. -You're trying to get many more shares than the best dealer is offering, and the stock i thinly traded. Smart Money __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mbreti at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 11:20:41 2000 From: mbreti at yahoo.com (Artjan Shani) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:20:41 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Coming Soon in Priceline. Message-ID: <20000409141804.26936.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> -Last year, priceline.com expand beyond airline tickets to groceries,new cars,hotel rooms and mortgages.It hopes to target an even broader audience in coming months. -By June 30,users will be able to name their price for long distance phone service,gasoline and cruises. -In mid May ,priceline .com will start selling blocks of long-distance phone-time to small comanies.Later this year it will offer ad space,freight services,and office equipment. -Joint venture set up with partners in Hong Gong and Australia will start selling airline tickets later this year.New joint venture are expected this summer in Japan, Europe and latin Amerika. Consumer Research __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 11:20:50 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:20:50 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] KLAN kunder KOHA JONE Message-ID: <20000409145941.97696.qmail@hotmail.com> Kriza e shtypi te shkruar dhe percartjet e Koha Jone Tirazhe te ulura. Largim i lexuesve. Nje nga ish gazetat me te medha te vendit, shpall krizen e shtypit te shkruar. Por qe para se gjithash duhet pare si nje krize besimi Nga Andi Bushati Pak dite me pare, nga kolona e saj me e cuditshme, ku s'mund te gjesh dy here te njejten linje botuese, pra nga kolona e editorialeve, gazeta "Koha Jone", shpallte me germa te zeza krizen e shtypit te shkruar. Pasi numeronte veshtiresite e shumta ekonomike, taksat e larta, cmimet maramendese te shtypshkronjave dhe sistemin e shperndarjes qe nuk mbulon as pesedhjete perqind te popullesise se vendit, "Koha Jone" pohonte nje te vertete te njohur per te gjithe: ate qe shtypi i perditshem shqiptar eshte ne krize. Dhe si te vetmen rugedalje per te shpetuar nga kjo gjendje, gazeta sygjeronte lehtesimet ekonomike dhe financiare (per te aritur ato lajmerohej edhe nje greve kombetare) qe duhet ti bente qeveria shtypit. Perndryshe, kercenonte me nje stil karakteristik "Koha" fushata elektorale po afron dhe gazetat, kur jane ne agoni, qellojne majtas e djathtas, shqyejne parti e qeveri, behen varmihese te tyre. Por pikerisht me kete kercenim te fshehur mes rreshtave, e perditshmja ne fjale, tregonte, me paqartesine e vet edhe krizen me reale te shtypit, ate me te thellen, ate me veshtiresisht te riparueshmen: se prej kohesh, ne vend te kuptohet si nje mjet informimi, nje pjese e shtypit te shkruar po perdoret si arme presioni dhe mashtrimi, gje e cila perdite e me shume po e largon ate jo vetem nga qellimi i vet paresor, por edhe nga lexuesit. Dhe kriza me e madhe e te perditshmeve shqiptare eshte pikerisht kriza e lexuesve. Eshte e vertete qe shtypi i shkruar nuk gjallon ne luks ekonomik, eshte e vertete se mbi te rendojne taksa e tarifa te larta, por ky nuk eshte problemi i tij paresor. Problemi i tij eshte tjeter dhe konsiston kryesisht ne renien e ndjeshme te tirazheve. Keshtu perpara se te akohen per taksat e tatimet, qe shpeshhere nuk i paguajne as te plota, botuesit e sotem duhet te dine ti japin pergjigjen pyetjes: se si eshte e mundur qe, gazeta, qe vetem pak vite me pare arrinin ne mbi 50 mije kopje, sot nuk jane ne gjendje te shesin as 5 mije te tilla? Pse kjo firo e madhe lexuesish? Argumenti i pare qe do te vinte ne mend eshte shtimi i disa organeve te reja kombetare ne vitet e fundit. Keshtu qe duke u shtuar numri i gazetave ne treg, ato do te merrnin detyrimisht tregun e njera tjetres. Argumenti i dyte konsiston ne lulezimin e menjehershem te dhjetra televizioneve kombetare e lokale qe tashme informojne te pacensuruar. Por mjafton te shihje njerin nga emisionet e ketyre stacioneve televizive, ku njerzit pyeteshin ne rruge se cmendonin per shtypin, per te kuptuar se dy argumentat e pare nuk mjaftojne per te dhene nje pergjigje te plote. Shume nga te intervistuarit pohonin me bindje se ne shume raste gazetat nuk thone te verteten. E ketu kthehemi serisht tek kriza e besimit. Si mundet sot, nje lexues qe kerkon te informohet realisht, te ribleje nje gazete, e cila numrin e pjesmaresve ne nje miting partie e dhjetefishon si pa te keq. Si mundet, po i njejti lexues ti rikthehet asaj gazete qe po kete loje, e ka kryer edhe vite me pare, por atehere ne favor te nje tjeter force politike. Perfundimi i tij i vetem eshte i thjeshte: kjo gazete genjen, dhe ajo qe eshte me e keqja, kete e ben, jo sepse mbeshtet nje parti te caktuar, por thjesht per qellime shantazhi e biznesi. E per sa kohe qe shtypi i shkruar do te vazhdoje te perdoret keshtu, per aq kohe do te vazhdoje edhe kriza e tij. Per sa kohe qe ne drejtim te tij do te jene ata njerez qe kujtojne se veshtiresite ekonomike, mund te zgjidhen duke marre persiper rolin donkishotesk te varrmihesit te qeverive dhe partive, lexuesit do te qendrojne gjithmone e me larg. E ne kthimin e tyre nuk mund te ndikoje as heqja e taksave dhe as ulja e TVSH. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From kosova at MAILCITY.COM Sun Apr 9 11:21:00 2000 From: kosova at MAILCITY.COM (Olsi ) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:21:00 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Fwd: Permbledhje e nje nate pune Message-ID: <8cq05l+avk9@eGroups.com> --- In alb-muslimstudents at egroups.com, "Olsi" wrote: Te dashur vellezer! Assalamu aleikum Ne linkun vijues jam munduar qe te sjelle nje permbledhje te disa prej figurave kryesore te botes Islamike te fund shekullit te 19 dhe fillimit te 20-te. Seksionet e fotografive i kam ndare ne: 1. Turq 2. Shqiptare (ne Egjipt) 3. Arabe 4. Persiane http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/Olsi/islamikXX.htm apo http://members.xoom.com/Olsi/islamikXX.htm Ju faleminderit, Wassalam, Olsi Send FREE April Fool's Greetings to your friends! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/American_Greetings.rdct --- End forwarded message --- From kcipi at abissnet.com.al Sun Apr 9 11:21:04 2000 From: kcipi at abissnet.com.al (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Kastriot_=C7ipi?=) Date: Sun Apr 9 11:21:04 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Info Seek: Gjenealogjia e Zef Serembes Message-ID: <028301bfa21e$061ac700$8601a8c0@kastriot> Te dashur miq te listes, jeni te lutur te me dergoni cdo informacion (te dhena me e-mail, links etj) ne lidhje me gjenealogjine e shkrimtarit arberesh Zef Serembe. Cdo pergjigje eshte e mirepritur. Ju falemnderit, Kastriot From PTP2000 at aol.com Sun Apr 9 14:20:19 2000 From: PTP2000 at aol.com (PTP2000 at aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:20:19 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Bota i takon guximtareve Message-ID: <49.27f582c.26221aef@aol.com> Kolec Traboini shkruante: "E frika sic dihet ruan vreshtat, prandaj dhe hallexhijte, rangu yne, qendron teper larg llotarive me ato pak para qe nxjerrim me pune te rendomta e gjendje shpirterore te renduar, se jemi larg Atdheut, se kemi braktisur profesionet, se kemi njerez qe e mbajne frymen gjalle ne Shqiperi me ato pak dollare qe u dergojme" Kolec kurohu se kjo gjendje shpirterore depresive mund te behet e rezikshme. Gjithashtu ne vend qe te jesh negativ, mjaftohu me mospjesemarrje. Sidoqofte njerezit jane te ndryshem, p.sh une jam i lehtesuar qe gjendem larg Atdheut dhe jo i renduar. Ne te njejten menyre Bursa nuk eshte per te gjithe. Por ashtu si dhia qe nuk di se c'eshte tagjia, dikush duhet te edukohet mbi nje teme qe kete te drejte te flase me kredibilitet per te. Seminari yne ka qellim edukimi, ne menyre qe pjesemarresit te aftesohen per te bere nje zgjedhje inteligjente. Dhe eshte jo-inteligjente te thuash qe Bursa eshte llotari. Kur investon ne Burse, blen pronesi ne kompanite me te medha te botes, ndersa me llotarine nuk blen azgje. Investimi ne Burse eshte biznes dhe si cdo biznes ka nje doze rreziku. Gjithashtu ka teknika te ndryshme investimi, nga ato me rrezik zero (treasury bonds) ne spekullime me rrezik te larte. Seminari fillon javen e dyte te majit. Seminari do te perbehet nga nje seri 10 leksionesh qe do t'u dergohen pjesemarresve me email, nje ne jave dhe pyetje / pergjigje (gjithmone me email) mbi lenden e javes. Leksionet do te jene ne shqip me ritheksim ne anglisht te termave profesionale. Lenda do te jete: 1) Aksionet (Equity Securities) 2) Obligacionet (Debt Securities) 3) Opsionet (Options) 4) Tregjet Financiare (Trading Markets) 5) Teknika te tregtimit dhe investimit (Trading and investment techniques) 6) Ofertat e reja (New issues) 7) Llojet e llogarive (Accounts) 8) Kompanite e investimeve (Investment Companies) 9) Njohuri mbi taksimin e investimeve (Taxes) 10) Analiza teknike (Technical Analysis) Sic dihet, Klubi nuk mbledh kuota, por financohet nepermjet aktiviteteve qe organizon. Regjistrimi ne seminar kushton $29.99, me check / cash / money order, ne adresen: The Albanian Club of New York 6021 Blvd. East, West New York, NJ 07093 Mos harroni te shenoni adresen e email-it Regjistrimet mbyllen me 7 Maj 2000. Parate do t'i kthehen kujdo qe mbetet i pakenaqur. Abonentet nga Shqiperia (duke perfshire Kosoven, Maqedonine dhe Malin e Zi) pranohen falas. Parid From mbreti at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 14:22:09 2000 From: mbreti at yahoo.com (Artjan Shani) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:22:09 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Hurley Hits Hollywood. Message-ID: <20000409174654.10085.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Elisabeth Hurley, the Brit actress/model who's Hugh Grant's girlfriend , says she hates HOLLYWOOD and dispises most of the people she's met there.A reporter asked her what she thought of the place, and didn't hold anything back.She said 70 per cent of the people she met there were idiots, and "half of those are fools and other half "vile".Bur reporter couldn't learn what the people who she met, think about her. People Mag. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mbreti at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 14:22:18 2000 From: mbreti at yahoo.com (Artjan Shani) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:22:18 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] To get married in America. Message-ID: <20000409180143.11773.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> The media tech American people that love is something that happen to us, not something we do.The phrase "falling in love" implies an accident, not a choice.TV is preapring near future,special episode on love and merriage, talked to more 100 people who practice arranged marriage-Indians,koreans,pakistans,Iraqis,Orthodox Greeks,orthodox Jews.They told reporters"Usually people fall in love than get married, But we marry first, than fall in love"Their point is that love is something you can make happen.It does take work-more than it used to. National Review __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From ga57 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 9 14:24:00 2000 From: ga57 at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Giovanni=20Armillotta?=) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:24:00 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] A letter to me from Elisabeta Karabolli Nishica, the Albanian Sport Legend Message-ID: <20000409181125.20024.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> --- NISHICA scritto: > Carisimo sig. GIOVANNI ARMILLOTTA ! > La persona che ti sta schrivendo questo pochisime > rige e propio Elisabeta Karabolli (Nishica ) > che tu cosi gentilmente lo hai fisato nella tua > prima pagina de sito dedicatto a tuti miei > conazionali dello sport ....Sono veramente > emozionata dalla tua gentile iniziativa di ricordami > i miei sucesi ...Vi RINGRAZIO con cuore per > questo! > Atualmente da quatro ani sono in Atlanta (USA) > come rezidente permanente ....ma non ho mai > dimenticato le mie pistole e qui nell poligono > olimpico lo facio suonare nella miglior modo che > io loso!!!!!!!! > Forse se tu hai interesi potremo rischriverci > prosimamente. > Questo mesggjio io to le spedisco soltanto per > dirti > GRAZIE ! > > ELISABETA NISHICA (KARABOLLI) > > Ps: Vi cheido scusa se probabilmente ho fato > qualche erorre nell mio poverisimo Italiano .... ___________________________________________________ Gentilissima Signora ELISABETA KARABOLLI NISHICA, ritengo che aver ricevuto la sua e-mail sia uno fra i pi? grandi onori mai ricevuti in tutta la mia vita. Lei rappresenta la leggenda vivente dello sport albanese di tutti i tempi. Sin dal 1977 ho seguito le sue imprese epiche. Dalla Sua medaglia di bronzo a Roma (aveva solo 19 anni!), all'argento del 1978, all'oro di H?meenlinna; fino al primato nazionale del 1980 con 593 punti: superiore addirittura al record mondiale e chiaro avvertimento che se l'Albania avesse preso parte ai Giochi Olimpici di Mosca, Lei avrebbe conquistato il titolo!!!... poi i prestigiosi titoli di Maestra Emerita dello Sport (FShQ), e nel 1983 Maestra Internazionale nello Sport del Tiro a Segno (ITU). A questo proposito nel 1986 scrissi sulla rivista ufficiale della federazione italiana il seguente articolo: http://foreignaffairs.tripod.com/armillotta/albania86_sport_btiro.html in omaggio alle grandi tradizioni albanese. Mi parli delle Sue attivit? sportive, anche in prospettiva delle eccelse qualit? di insegnante ed allenatrice di tiro a segno!!! Mirupafshim ===== http://go.to/armillotta (general) http://go.to/shqiptar (Albania and Kosova links) http://go.to/shqiperia (my articles on Albania and Kosova) http://go.to/futbolli (Albanian Soccer) http://go.to/sporti (Albanian Sport) http://www.egroups.com/group/albanian-foreign-affairs/info.html PAVAR?SI P?R KOSOV?N HEROIKE/INDEPENDENCE FOR HEROIC KOSOVA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From mkristo1 at hotmail.com Sun Apr 9 14:24:09 2000 From: mkristo1 at hotmail.com (marko kristo) Date: Sun Apr 9 14:24:09 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Barbari greke ndaj emigrantėve shqiptarė Message-ID: <20000409010550.96275.qmail@hotmail.com> Barbari greke ndaj emigrant?ve shqiptar? "Ushtar?t grek? na masakruan, na zhvesh?n rrobat e trupit dhe na i mor?n pla?kat e reja. Na mor?n edhe parat? dhe m? pas na nxor?n n? kufirin shqiptar. Ne jemi jetim? p?r qeverin? shqiptare", thot? Agron K?rthuka nga qyteti i Burrelit Fshesa greke po vazhdon pa nd?rprerje ndaj emigrant?ve shqiptar?. P?r?do dit? qindra vet? merren me forc? nga vendet e pun?s dhe rrihen barbarisht nga policia greke. Gjat? k?tyre dit?ve t? fundit, n? ndjekje t? emigrant?ve shqiptar? ?sht? v?n? edhe ushtria e Greqis?. Ushtar?t grek? t? armatosur gjer n? dh?mb? patrullojn? p?rgjat? kufirit duke derdhur bresh?ri plumbash edhe brenda territorit ton?. Disa emigrant? t? kthyer barbarisht nga ushtria greke n? vendin ton?, tregojn? se ushtar?t jo vet?m q? i kishin rrahur e masakruar, por u kishin marr? edhe rrobat e trupit dhe parat? q? ata kishin me vete. Pre e ushtris? greke kishin r?n? edhe nj? grup t? rinjsh nga Burreli. Dje, rreth 16 vet? t? masakruar nga ushtar?t grek?, po prisnin tek stacioni i autobus?ve n? Tiran? p?r t?u kthyer n? sht?pit? e tyre n? Burrel. T? gjith? t? kthyerit jan? n? nj? gjendje t? mjerueshme dhe tep?r t? rraskapitur. Me rroba t? shqyera dhe me plag? n? trup, ata presin t? hipin n? autobus, por askush nga shofer?t nuk pranon t?i marr?, sepse ata nuk kan? lek? t? paguajn? udh?timin. Ata jan? rrahur barbarisht nga policia dhe nuk kan? fuqi as t? ecin. "Ishim duke ecur n? pyll kur na kapi ushtria greke, thot? nj?ri prej tyre. Ushtar?t na rrah?n me qytat e arm?ve dhe na torturuan n? m?nyr? ?njer?zore. Na zhvesh?n rrobat e trupit dhe na i mor?n pla?kat e reja. Na mor?n edhe parat? dhe m? pas na nxor?n n? kufirin shqiptar dhe na than? se do t? na vrisnin po t? niseshim p?rs?ri p?r t? vajtur n? Greqi". "Ne jemi jetim? p?r qeverin? shqiptare", thot? Agron K?rthuka, nga qyteti i Burrelit, askush nuk mendon p?r ne. Policia dhe ushtria greke na masakroi dhe na shfryt?zoi si kafsh?, nd?rsa qeveria jon? po na le n? mes t? kat?r rrug?ve n? m?shir? t? fatit. Kemi gjasht? or? q? presim k?tu p?r t?u kthyer n? sht?pi, por askush s?i kthen syt? nga ne sepse s?kemi lek? t? paguajm? p?r rrug?n". T? dhunuar e masakruar nga ushtar?t grek? e me plag?t q? ende u rrjedhin gjak, ata vazhdojn? t? q?ndrojn? n?n rrezet e diellit q? nuk i ngroh gjymtyr?t e tyre t? nxira nga qytat e arm?ve. N? syt? e tyre ka ve? dhimbje dhe frik?, askush nuk ka shpres? se jeta e tyre do t? ndryshoj?. Megjithat?, ata do t? kthehen n? qytetin e tyre, por do t? p?rballen p?rs?ri me varf?rin? dhe mjerimin q? ka pllakosur t? gjith? vendin. Ashtu si p?r qindra mij?ra vet? n? t? gjith? vendin edhe p?r ta nuk ka pun?. Dhe q? t? mos kesh pun? sot, do t? thot? t? mos kesh buk?n e goj?s. Me siguri q? ata do ta nd?rmarrin p?rs?ri rrug?n e refugjatit dhe p?rs?ri do t? kthehen barbarisht nga policia e ushtar?t grek?. Nd?rsa qeveria shqiptare s?ka p?r t?u kujtuar asnj?her? p?r shtetasit e saj q? jo vet?m po vuajn? p?r buk?n e goj?s, por po p?rbuzen e po masakrohen nga racist?t grek?. T? d?buarit me dhun? thon? se gjat? dit?s s? djeshme jan? kthyer edhe dhjetra emigrant? t? tjer? nga rrethe t? ndryshme t? vendit. Greqia vazhdon t? ndjek? nj? politik? racizmi ndaj emigrant?ve shqiptar?, nd?rsa qeveria shqiptare deri tani nuk ka mbajtur asnj? q?ndrim p?r t? mbrojtur shtetasit e vet. ........... R. POLISI R.D. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From Era18 at aol.com Sun Apr 9 15:34:19 2000 From: Era18 at aol.com (Era18 at aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 9 15:34:19 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Kosovo Albanian and Chinese poets win Pen Award Message-ID: NEW YORK (Reuters) - Two imprisoned poets -- one in China and the other in Serbia -- have been named recipients of this year's PEN/Barbara Goldsmith Freedom-to-Write Awards, PEN American Center officials said Sunday. The awards, which carry honorariums of $3,000 each, were given to ethnic Albanian Flora Brovina of Kosovo and to Xue Deyun of China. The award's purpose is to draw attention to writers jailed because they exercised their right to free speech. They will be presented at PEN's annual literary gala at Lincoln Center on Monday. Of the 29 recipients of the awards since 1987, 22 were in prison at the time they were given the honor and of this number, 14 were released, shortly afterward. Brovina, 52, a poet, pediatrician and founder of the League of Albanian Women in Kosovo, stayed in Pristina after the outbreak of last year's war to run a shelter for women and children. PEN said she was subsequently arrested, and charged by Serbian authorities with ``terrorist acts'' and, on Dec. 9 1999, sentenced to 12 years in prison. PEN, an international writers group, said it was later revealed Brovina had signed, under duress, a sworn affidavit confessing to participation in the Kosovo Liberation Army. Earlier this year, her lawyer filed an appeal to the Serbian Supreme Court, citing lack of reliable evidence and witnesses. PEN said that while in prison, she has not been permitted private visits with her husband and children. The writers' group said Xue Deyun, 40, a poet and human rights activist, was arrested along with three colleagues on Jan. 26, 1998, in Guizhou province after the launch of their literary journal, China Cultural Renaissance, which advocated the right to free expression. The police reportedly raided the homes of the four men and confiscated drafts of their work. PEN said the other three men were released but that Xue Deyun was kept in prison and, in February 1998, charged with ''engaging in subversive activities'' and attempting to overthrow ``the socialist system by rumor mongering or slander.'' In November 1998, he was sentenced to 7 years in jail. The PEN/Barbara Goldsmith Freedom-to-Write Awards were established in 1987 to honor writers fighting for free expression. PEN member and author Barbara Goldsmith underwrites the awards. The PEN American Center is the largest of 131 centers of International PEN, an organization of poets, playwrights, essayists, editors, novelists and translators founded in 1921 to advance literature and defend the right to free expression. From Era18 at aol.com Sun Apr 9 15:44:39 2000 From: Era18 at aol.com (Era18 at aol.com) Date: Sun Apr 9 15:44:39 2000 Subject: [Alb-club] Happy Birthday Artan! Message-ID: Me 21 Tetor, 1999 Artan Simeqi shkruan: <>> Gezuar Ditelindjen Artan! Dhe 100 vjet! Era Alb-Club